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Tuesday, September 15, 2015

We are winning

This is why the Tor boycott hurts. Those who pooh-pooh its effects don't realize that the real wounds are inflicted on the margins:
In the 18 months between February 2014 and September 2015, the Association of American Publishers (AAP), whose 1200 members include the “Big Five”: Penguin Random House, HarperCollins, Simon & Schuster, Macmillan, and Hachette — have seen their collective share of the US ebook market collapse:

    from 45% of all Kindle books sold down to 32%
    from 64% of Kindle publisher gross $ revenue down to 50%
    from 48% of all Kindle author net $ earnings down to 32%

The AAP releases monthly StatShot reports on the total dollar sales of their 1200 participating publishers, of which the “Big Five” collectively account for roughly 80%. So far in 2015, the AAP’s reports have charted a progressive decline in both ebook sales and overall revenue for the AAP’s member publishers.

During that same period in 2015, Amazon’s overall ebook sales have continued to grow in both unit and dollar terms, fueled by a strong shift in consumer ebook purchasing behavior away from traditionally-published ebooks and toward indie-published- and Amazon-imprint-published ebooks. These “non-traditionally-published” books now make up nearly 60% of all Kindle ebooks purchased in the US, and take in 40% of all consumer dollars spent on those ebooks.
In other words, the Tor boycott doesn't have to do anything substantial at all to ensure that Tor Books continues to bleed, it is merely pouring salt on what are clearly the self-administered wounds.

At least two of the Big Five are going to collapse in the relatively near future, although I have no idea which of them it will be because I haven't seen their financials. We know that Tor Books is in trouble simply by observing that it is bringing in foreign authors and trying to pass off midlist authors as its leading men; the so-called biggest publisher of SF/F has published precisely zero of the big SF/F hits of the last few years. Forget Rowling and Martin and whoever wrote the Hunger Games, they couldn't even get Howey or the guy who wrote The Martian.

This is the price of failing to develop new talent; once a new author hits on Amazon, he has no incentive to work with the traditional publishers. Throw in the Pink SF gatekeeping, the unprofessional and abusive behavior of their editors, and it should be quite obvious that they're doomed. How long it will take to play out, I don't know, but the end game is already clear.

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Blogger Xmas September 15, 2015 2:09 PM  

If you look at what happened, it looks like the Big 5 shot themselves in the foot while trying to bring Amazon to heel. They changed their sales agreements with Amazon to ensure that the Publishers, not Amazon, got to set the retail prices of e-books. Amazon had previously been buying the ebooks at a set price and then reselling them at a discount to encourage Kindle sales and related product sales. Now Amazon sells the ebooks at a price set by Publisher and takes a cut from the sale.

Under the old system, the publishers got lots of money up front, but Amazon's prices undercut traditional book sales and e-book sales through other outlets. Under the new system...well, they're discovering that most e-book buyers won't pay over $9.99. I'll see if I can dig up the prize winning quote from a different article.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 15, 2015 2:09 PM  

... they couldn't even get Howey or the guy who wrote The Martian.


Andy Weir. Same old story. Or rather the same new story.

The Martian got bounced by everyone including Tor. He finally put up on his blog and then after his fans begged him for it. He put it up on Amazon for .$0.99. Then interestingly it was an audio publisher that came knocking on his door.

After it blew the roof off in audio. Then and only then did Crown come around with the standard rich and famous contract.

In case anyone is wondering, uh, no...Andy Weir is not one of us.

Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 2:10 PM  

"How long it will take to play out, I don't know, but the end game is already clear."

We are methodical and patient.

Blogger Daniel September 15, 2015 2:12 PM  

The good news is that we'll all have space to dance.

PNH's grave is going to be as big as John Scalzi's lawn.

Blogger Xmas September 15, 2015 2:13 PM  

Oh yeah, this is it, the most economically stupid statement I've read in years:
One high-level publishing executive disputed that the Amazon pacts are behind the e-book sales decline. “This is a title-driven business,” he said. “If you have a good book, price isn’t an issue.”

From a WSJ article.

Blogger Allan Davis September 15, 2015 2:18 PM  

...and pedophil is already all over it with reading comprehension fail over on Twitter: "book sales are declining overall."

-=ad=-

Anonymous The Metatron September 15, 2015 2:26 PM  

I really feel like we should be talking about creationism though.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey VFM #337 September 15, 2015 2:28 PM  

@7 Whatever you have to tell your self, sweet cheeks.

We don't care.

Blogger Alexander September 15, 2015 2:32 PM  

Guys, guys! Munich is burning and Berlin is burning...

...but maybe we didn't have as much a role to play in the destruction of our enemy as we intended. Course given law #1 that's a big maybe. Even so, clearly, we are the real losers here.

Blogger Durandel Almiras September 15, 2015 2:34 PM  

If Tor was smart, they'd sign up upcoming authors like Brianna Scalzi and Alexa Eren

Anonymous Amok Time September 15, 2015 2:34 PM  

And in other News,,,,,,Snoop Dogg thinks "Game of Thrones" is historical. He a noted pothead of amazing proportions, shows what the weed does to the brain. And, President Obama was/is a huge marijuana consumer. Now we can see why World view makes total or lack of sense!

Anonymous Frank B Luke September 15, 2015 2:34 PM  

One reason the boycott works against the SJW buycott that GRRM et. al. called for after Vox called for the boycott is that we are patient. Though they made hundreds of sockpuppet accounts to declare their loyalty, I am sure that some of them went out and bought Tor books specifically to spite the ilk. However, I doubt that lasted long. Before much time passed, their incentive to buy diminished. They were assured victory had been had. For many, Tor returned to it's prior place on the list.

We are under no such illusion that victory was already in place. We can see our foe. We can see from this report that the walls are crumbling. To us, this does not mean stop. It means carry on. Ramp it up.

Case in point, I was at the library the other day and picked up a fantasy book from authors whom I have previously enjoyed. I was on the fence about the book until I saw it was Tor. I put it down. Why? I mean, it's a library copy. Tor makes no money from it. Yes, but how many reads on a library book until it has to be replaced? Then Tor makes money from it.

(And on the price thing, when an eBook is the same or more than a paper book, that's an automatic pass from me.)

Blogger James Dixon September 15, 2015 2:38 PM  

> "book sales are declining overall."

He obviously missed the part that says: "During that same period in 2015, Amazon’s overall ebook sales have continued to grow in both unit and dollar terms".

But I can't say I surprised that he can't see what he doesn't want to see.

Anonymous Blue Meanie September 15, 2015 2:42 PM  

Even SJWs cannot stomach the crap served up by their fellow SJWs. You can call it art if you want, but it's still a big, reeking turd on that plate.

Bon appetit!

Blogger chuck September 15, 2015 2:42 PM  

My buying habits are sensitive to price. The big five ebooks are way over priced to my mind. I can see 7.99 for a professionally edited and produced ebook, but now they are running about 13.99 for authors like Butcher. At that price I'll wait on the reviews before buying. I'm mostly a $2.99 - $3.99 sort of guy.

Blogger Copperheaded September 15, 2015 2:47 PM  

This post looked a lot like a spinning retreat.

Your mom looks like a spinning retreat.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 15, 2015 2:49 PM  

I agree. This is one of the more positive developments to be seen in a long, long time. So, how would you propose to either keep the SJWs from taking over Amazon (already heavily infiltrated, and Bezos doesn't appear inclined to purge their miserable asses from his galley), or setting up an alternate Amazon-like infrastructure that is less centralized?

Anonymous Adam1 September 15, 2015 2:49 PM  

So MSM, in lock-step with the Big 5, are trying to pull a reverse `1984`, i.e. ``The daily chocolate bar ration has been raised from one half bar to one whole bar.`` But Winston remembers the copy of yesterdays paper he stuffed in his chairs seat...

Blogger bob k. mando September 15, 2015 2:51 PM  

17. chuck September 15, 2015 2:42 PM
but now they are running about 13.99 for authors like Butcher.



wtf? that's a Trade Paperback price point.

why in the FUCK would i buy an electronic version when i could have hardcopy for the same price or less?

screw em if they're not going to price the e-version AT LEAST as low as the Mass Market Paper versions. even at that, they're still getting a massive surplus profit because of saved production / duplication / shipping costs vs paper.

*shakes head*

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 2:54 PM  

The SJW / pinkshirt / lefty filter is sales poison wherever it gets applied. Not that it stops them from trying. Combine that with inflated prices in the print copy range and FAR above what indies and small presses charge...

Yep, recipe for success. Good thing lefties are so vastly more brilliant than the rest of us.

Blogger bob k. mando September 15, 2015 2:56 PM  

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Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 2:57 PM  

@12

If Tor was smart, they'd sign up upcoming authors like Brianna Scalzi and Alexa Eren

Darn right! Actually, in all seriousness, I'd bet those little parody tracts had better sales than most of TOR's current list.

Anonymous Stickwick September 15, 2015 2:59 PM  

...fueled by a strong shift in consumer ebook purchasing behavior away from traditionally-published ebooks and toward indie-published- and Amazon-imprint-published ebooks. These “non-traditionally-published” books now make up nearly 60% of all Kindle ebooks purchased in the US, and take in 40% of all consumer dollars spent on those ebooks.

First of all, it makes me wonder how much talent the gatekeepers have been holding back over the centuries. Second, I can just imagine how incensed the gatekeepers are that the unwashed rabble are choosing their own content, without any regard for the vaunted opinions of their betters. Those plebes don't know anything! They only THINK they're being entertained!

Related to this, cable TV is declining, albeit not as dramatically as big publishing. We finally cut the cable last month, and have replaced it almost entirely with documentaries and original indie content on YouTube, which are far superior to anything on cable TV.

The true greatness of indie publishing and YouTube is that they offer a way for motivated individuals to get niche stuff out that probably wouldn't be worthwhile to the big guys, even if they weren't pushing agendas. For instance, one rather good indie YouTube channel, RedLetterMedia, is run almost entirely by just two film nerds. They stated in an interview that they don't even really care about making money beyond what they need to keep RLM running; they are so happy doing their own thing creatively that they are content to just scrape by. And one of the best advanced scientific books I've read in a long time was something some guy just wrote in his spare time out of his own passion for the subject -- it's good enough that if I ever taught this subject, I'd use his book. There seem to be a lot of people like that -- they just want to share this really neat stuff they have a passion for with other people. No way would any network or publisher go for something like that, because there's no money to be made.

Self-publishing and YouTube are the direct democracy to the representative democracy of the big publishers and networks. To hell with the gatekeepers.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 3:00 PM  

@6

...and pedophil is already all over it with reading comprehension fail over on Twitter: "book sales are declining overall."

Blindly passing on reading comprehension fails, and memes they haven't sourced because they fit the narrative? Well those don't sound like the SJWs *I* know.

Speaking of Pedophil and the Special Bears of SFF, looks like Chris Kluwe has a new book out.

Blogger Positive Dennis September 15, 2015 3:01 PM  

It is difficult to boycott if you aren't buying anything. But I was curious neither of the authors I am likely to buy are published by Tor. Well three authors counting the Dark Lord. Mostly I read audio books.

Anonymous Curious September 15, 2015 3:05 PM  

Speaking of Pedophil and the Special Bears of SFF, looks like Chris Kluwe has a new book out.

I hope it stays up long enough for me to get at least the preview.

Blogger Durandel Almiras September 15, 2015 3:07 PM  

@25 "First of all, it makes me wonder how much talent the gatekeepers have been holding back over the centuries."

It hasn't been about talent in decades. one wonders what the social costs are for suppressing talent over agenda.


Blogger Danby September 15, 2015 3:13 PM  

Problem is, the Big Five are captive to their physical book sales. To their eyes, every ebook they sell is a physical book they didn't sell. That's false, but they've proven impervious to actual reflection so that's what they believe.Just as, back in the 40s and 50s, every paperback sold was a loss of hardcover sales. Except it isn't. But that's where they came from, and that's what's important to them. So they will keep protecting physical books sales until there is no such thing.

So they price their ebooks to remove any price incentive. And get their lunch eaten by pure-play ebook publishers like Castalia, and by independent authors like Weir.
And the future of the industry passes them by. A writer like JC Wright can make a fair amount of money on sales numbers that would net only a few hundred dollars and a revoked contract in traditional publishing. A midlist author with a large back catalog can actually make a living on ebook sales, and he's not dependent on the publisher bothering to re-issue his books while they search for the next JK Rowling. One of the next big breakout authors is going to be unavailable on paper, and the Big Five are not going to know how to handle it. The printed book business is slowly collapsing.

Anonymous Case September 15, 2015 3:14 PM  

Irene Gallo is an expensive employee.

Anonymous Will Best September 15, 2015 3:16 PM  

So writing is now a hyper competitive environment, with zero barriers to entry, and a bunch of new talent flooding in willing to work for wages that would make it impossible to support an American family on. I wonder if that has any sort of analogy to any present world problems.

Blogger Bill September 15, 2015 3:23 PM  

Speaking of supporting indi publishers.... I'm reading Riding the Red Horse (Love it!!) and I was wondering why you didn't develop the idea of using portable EMP generators? Those would be highly effective against low-flying drones and remotely operated vehicles (until they started getting shielded, thus increasing weight, etc, in which case EMP would still be marginally effective), and would also be effective in interrupting comms and sigint collection. HERF guns have been around in the DIY community for a few decades, so the technology is pretty accessable even for the teenager-in-a-garage level of skill.

(sorry if you cover this later, I just finished the lasers and drones thing)

- PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT -
Warning! This stuff can kill you! Tinker with caution!

Zap and your PCs Dead

Hack n Mod HERF Gun

Blogger Mike Farnsworth September 15, 2015 3:24 PM  

So writing is now a hyper competitive environment, with zero barriers to entry, and a bunch of new talent flooding in willing to work for wages that would make it impossible to support an American family on. I wonder if that has any sort of analogy to any present world problems.

Support the United States of Book Publishers, and keep the aliens out! The USBP has a (secret) constitution that is being violated. Amazon author immigration is invasion. Deport them all!

Oh , wait, the internet and transmitted bits are not analogous to a physical nation with borders. Nevermind. They tried to deny Vox a platform, remember, and guess what happened.

Blogger John Cunningham September 15, 2015 3:27 PM  

ths is the most telling part of the story--
from 64% of Kindle publisher gross $ revenue down to 50%
from 48% of all Kindle author net $ earnings down to 32%

IOW, of the 50% of comparative revenue share, the authors are only seeing 32% of thir part. It follows that the 50% of non-big 5 writers, with 50% of sales, are getting 68% of the revenues.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey VFM#337 September 15, 2015 3:28 PM  

@34 This is as it should be. Unless you bring an incredible product to the market, most creative types such as musicians, artists, writers, game developers, etc. do not have a "right" to make a vocation of their artistic expression. What we have now, and what appears to be crumbling, are the gatekeepers who prop up the mediocre works while keeping out the truly talented. With the ability to market to anyone in the world through the internet, an individual with an amazing talent doesn't need to go through a publisher, record label, or studio, or university. When he bypasses the gatekeepers, he increases the chances of turning his avocation into a vocation, and his customers benefit from the product he puts out. It's even worse when the gatekeepers are more concerned with SJW causes than they are their customer, client, and product.

Anonymous Viidad September 15, 2015 3:34 PM  

Will Best:

"So writing is now a hyper competitive environment, with zero barriers to entry, and a bunch of new talent flooding in willing to work for wages that would make it impossible to support an American family on. I wonder if that has any sort of analogy to any present world problems."

Actually, this is a fantastic time to be a writer. The gatekeepers were starving us - now books are able to rise or fall according to the market. People have made thousands a month on $2.99 ebooks they've self-published. It's a gold rush right now.

Anonymous Stickwick September 15, 2015 3:35 PM  

@31: Durandel Almiras: It hasn't been about talent in decades.

Yes, that's pretty obvious. But even beyond that, I was thinking in terms of just misjudging what readers -- and viewers -- actually want.

Bill Whittle, in one of his Stratosphere Lounge episodes, talked about his time working in Hollywood and his experience with network executives. He described how blitheringly stupid some of these people are, and that's a major factor in why TV is so terrible.

But it's not always stupidity that ruins entertainment. In Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs, there's a revelatory chapter on the ascension of Pixar, and you get a sense for how out of touch some of the execs at Disney are. Can't remember who it was, but one of them wanted the character of Woody in Toy Story to be a twisted, malevolent a**hole, and the story he proposed was pretty dark. You read stuff like this and think, WTH are these guys thinking? Who wants to see a movie like that? Thankfully, there was a lot of pushback at Pixar, and that's not the story we ended up with.

But these are the gatekeepers; they don't seem to have a good handle on what people actually want.

Blogger Bill September 15, 2015 3:39 PM  

I'm not sure self-publishing is a really good idea. You rapidly run into a signal-to-noise problem; If there's now 7,000 SFF books by independent authors, how do you pick one to read? You read what friends say is good, which is what publishers/editors used to do. I get books from Castalia House because I think I'll like them.

A better solution than independent authors is publishing houses that publish quality work. I stopped reading SFF back in the mid 80's because most of it sucked, I got kinda pissed when I spent $8 for a book I really didn't like. I started back into it with Vox's War in Heaven and I've been reading only things recommended here since then.

Traditional publishers really do serve a purpose, but they got corrupted.

Blogger Danby September 15, 2015 3:41 PM  

"So writing is now a hyper competitive environment, with zero barriers to entry, and a bunch of new talent flooding in willing to work for wages that would make it impossible to support an American family on."

The difference being that they actually get to make the money. Under the old system, the publisher siphoned off most of it, paid when sued, and basically screwed the author for as much as they could get. There's a reason that writers have to have agents to work with the traditional publishers.
Not quite as dishonest as record companies, but trying harder.

Blogger Kull September 15, 2015 3:42 PM  

Two minor points. Does it seem the trolls come out more for publishing related posts? Wouldn't you think other topics would beget more wailing and gnashing of teeth? I think the sjw's that follow this blog must all come from the PNH camp. Perhaps they simply don't know anything outside of their little world. Personally, I was brought in by the writing angle but I do enjoy the variety of content. Not so much for our host's critics, apparently.

And I said it before, and I will say it again. I give zero fucks whether or not the Tor boycott succeeds in having any effect on that company. They simply aren't getting my business. They are a shitty organization of clannish assholes that treat their customers with contempt. I am not spending a dime there until they clean house.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 15, 2015 3:45 PM  

Positive Dennis - It is difficult to boycott if you aren't buying anything. But I was curious neither of the authors I am likely to buy are published by Tor.

John C. Wright is the only author on their roster whose books I look forward to. I lost interest in Scalzi's storytelling after the criminally overhyped Redshirts and the borefest Old Man's War turned into, and I don't need another copy of Ender's Game.

Have a look at their "publishing" page - where you'd expect them to at least push their "name" authors. Instead it's a veritable Who's That? of SFF.

And this is the sort of sales pitch they think will shift units:

The Sorceror of the Wildeeps: Since leaving his homeland, the earthbound demigod Demane has been labeled a sorcerer. With his ancestors' artifacts in hand, the Sorcerer follows the Captain, a beautiful man with song for a voice and hair that drinks the sunlight.

Binti: Her name is Binti, and she is the first of the Himba people ever to be offered a place at Oomza University, the finest institution of higher learning in the galaxy. But to accept the offer will mean giving up her place in her family to travel between the stars among strangers who do not share her ways or respect her customs.

Witches of Lychford: The villagers in the sleepy hamlet of Lychford are divided. A supermarket wants to build a major branch on their border. Some welcome the employment opportunities, while some object to the modernization of the local environment.

Tor is pozzing up SFF like a troupe of AIDS-infected rape monkeys.

Blogger bob k. mando September 15, 2015 3:52 PM  

i'll be impressed when you can figure out how to properly actuate the left mouse button.

i'm damning you with faint praise, you see.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 15, 2015 3:52 PM  

Troll Jubilee is officially the worst holiday in the history of fake pop culture holidays.

Blogger James Dixon September 15, 2015 3:53 PM  

> Traditional publishers really do serve a purpose, but they got corrupted.

Used to server a purpose. It's arguable whether they still do. Editing, proofreading, and publicity were all things the publisher was supposed to do for the author. How good a job of those are they doing now?

What is needed are trusted reviewers. That's what the reviews on Amazon and Goodreads were supposed to allow for.

Blogger JartStar September 15, 2015 3:57 PM  

@18 So long as Amazon doesn't forgo the market to appease the SJWs they will be held in check. I'm sure there's already internal pressure to dump certain authors and perhaps even genres. The problem is that their money spends and that right now the shareholders would revolt.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 15, 2015 3:58 PM  

What is needed are trusted reviewers. That's what the reviews on Amazon and Goodreads were supposed to allow for.

And they do a reasonably good job, once critical mass is reached. It's not perfect, but it's not bad.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 15, 2015 4:01 PM  

Troll Jubilee is officially the worst holiday in the history of fake pop culture holidays.

Worse than "Take Your Python To Work" day?

Anonymous Sheila September 15, 2015 4:02 PM  

I'm a prolific reader. In the past 6 weeks alone, I've purchased/read the ebook versions of about 8 Sarah Hoyt books, 8 Larry Correia titles, and about half a dozen other titles. Not a one published by Tor.

I loathe going to the heavily diversified public library, so when the commentariat here recommended a few titles in the dialectic/rhetoric thread, I went and checked them on Amazon. Neither of the two I wanted was available in kindle. I really don't want to spend the shipping cost, but I want to subject myself to the library even less. And I grew up going to the library at least once a week.

Blogger JartStar September 15, 2015 4:03 PM  

JQP is that you?

Blogger James Sullivan September 15, 2015 4:05 PM  

Since the Tor boycott, I have passed up the opportunity to buy roughly 23 books published by Tor. Books that I initially thought might be interesting. I passed because of the boycott.

I consider myself wholly average as a Sci-Fi and Fantasy reader. But multiply my numbers by a thousand or so. And I don't think a thousand is an exaggeration.

They're hurting. In their boardrooms they are just telling themselves that everyone is hurting and it has nothing to do with a boycott.

Blogger bob k. mando September 15, 2015 4:05 PM  

48. Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 15, 2015 4:01 PM
Worse than "Take Your Python To Work" day?



worse than 'Take your three year old to illegally cross the sea' day.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 15, 2015 4:07 PM  

Not totally related but I found the 10K words start of a novel that has a really nice battle scene. I really need to remember to keep adding to this one.

Blogger Bill September 15, 2015 4:07 PM  

@52
What is needed are trusted reviewers.

Yup, but Amazon reviews are infested with SJW's, the author's mother, and the rest of his bowling league. Even then, I'd need a way to search books that I've already read, compare the reviewers, and then search for similar reviews by the same people, among books with more than 50 reviews, more than 1k sales, etc. I think finding a publisher or editor that I trust is easier - for now. Although, Netflix has a system that acts like it would work, but is just too freaking stupid at the moment to make actual recommendations.

Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 4:07 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 4:08 PM  

Steve, The Darkest Ninja of Epic Mockery Evah

"Worse than "Take Your Python To Work" day?"

Someone's just working out their personal issues.

Blogger napari September 15, 2015 4:09 PM  

Off topic but I'm pleased to report I've downloaded Pale Moon on both my pc's and Pale Moon is working great!
BTW- I will not buy Tor.....ever!

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 4:09 PM  

I was nice and I was just deleting, but he wore out his welcome and now I'm spamming.

Plz to be giving a nice comment diarrhea, Andrew. The more the better.

Anonymous Krul September 15, 2015 4:10 PM  

@42 "And this is the sort of sales pitch they think will shift units:"

Zzzzzzzz....

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 4:12 PM  

That's the way. More plz.

Blogger RobertT September 15, 2015 4:14 PM  

As soon as those illiterate yoyos read this, they'll be calling.

Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 4:14 PM  

"Plz to be giving a nice comment diarrhea, Andrew."

Is this the troll who was visited by the authorities recently?

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 4:16 PM  

Is this the troll who was visited by the authorities recently?

No, that was Andrew Marston.

Blogger Danby September 15, 2015 4:20 PM  

It's fun refreshing every few seconds to see hat idiocy you're deleting Markku. This is great.

Blogger Blume September 15, 2015 4:21 PM  

This is the epically insane one. I don't remember how crazy he got but it was epic.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 4:26 PM  

@31

Ah look, a troll. Publishing-related posts anywhere online sure seem to bring out the toadies and buttboys for the big-5.

Blogger Danby September 15, 2015 4:27 PM  

What's really funny is that he thinks he's winning when he's whining.

Anonymous RedJack #22 September 15, 2015 4:28 PM  

For me the biggest change wasn't just cutting Tor, but MacMillan. I have not purchased as of today 22 ebooks. I have bought some of them via the used book store down the road.

As to the comment about visual media declining.. it is in worse shape than you think. That media is bought and paid for by the advertisers, and they are not making much revenue these days. When you can accurately track the metrics, it gets harder to over charge the rates. The ad business is dying, and taking cable and TV with it.

Anonymous RedJack #22 September 15, 2015 4:31 PM  

@18
The working environment at Amazon is such that SJW don't last long. That isn't to say liberals can't, but an SJW will be burnt out. Heck, I would be burnt out.

The question is what happens after Bezos is gone?

Blogger Bill September 15, 2015 4:40 PM  

what happens after Bezos is gone?

Then we'll find out that there's someone else with a grand vision and the resources and fortitude to pull it off. Or, Amazon will start getting government bailout money, all our kids will have to buy their textbooks from Amazon, and there will be an Amazon surtax on our cable bills. One or the other.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 4:41 PM  

@16 chuck
My buying habits are sensitive to price. The big five ebooks are way over priced to my mind. I can see 7.99 for a professionally edited and produced ebook, but now they are running about 13.99 for authors like Butcher. At that price I'll wait on the reviews before buying. I'm mostly a $2.99 - $3.99 sort of guy.
--

I've begun going through the Dresden files. The first 3 are $9.99 ebooks. They are good so far, but I keep thinking $170 for all of them...

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 4:41 PM  

When I was launching my first novel, in March 2012, I pitched it the traditional way, to agents. I had a couple of nibbles, but they were looking for new authors of, shall we say, the right skin tones and/or ideologies, and weren't very shy about saying so.

And the more I researched, the less impressed I was with the trad-pub path. I could have made, what, a $5k advance? At the price of, basically, indentured servitude and loss of control over my own copyrights for the rest of my life. Yeah, what a great deal.

I went indie instead. Though SFWA doesn't think I count as a real SFF writer, I've made more money than the great majority of their members, a lot more than I could have going with the big 5. I'm no Vox, but I'm still in that small percentage of writers who make their full-time living at it. AND I don't have to deal with mediocre, but tyrannical in-house SJW editors.

And I'm far from alone. Yet despite all the supposed 'competition' indie eBook prices have been rising the last two years, not falling. This isn't some stupid leftist fantasy of starvation-wage writers - that was the old oligopoly world that they loved so much. Authors are breaking our chains, and the left hates it. How very surprising.

Blogger Danby September 15, 2015 4:42 PM  

"You despise me, don't you Rick?
"If I gave you any thought, I probably would."

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 4:45 PM  

@72 Spooner again

And now look, a Secret King. *sniff* Smells like Gamma.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 4:46 PM  

@25 Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery
@6

Speaking of Pedophil and the Special Bears of SFF, looks like Chris Kluwe has a new book out.
---
Uh oh, hope it's not a pop-up book for kids.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 4:52 PM  

Heh! Vox must be on overwatch at the moment. Little Spoony's comment is already gone.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 4:55 PM  

@75

A special secret surprise pop-up at the center pages.
And free candy with every purchase.

Blogger Jack Ward September 15, 2015 4:56 PM  

I really, really like the Martian. Have read it twice and am looking to the movie. Wish Weir were with Castalia. It takes quite the book for me to pay large amounts to Amazon for an ebook. The last time I did it was with Seveneves. Jury still out on that puppy; but, it was Stephenson for goodness sake. I will check out the first sequel and then will know whether Stephenson will still be on my A list.
I'm more than ready for the rework of The Stars Came Back; and the sequels. That universe looks as open ended as the the Harrington series.

Anonymous VFM #0202 September 15, 2015 4:57 PM  

I was just talking with Julia Caesar yesterday, and she told me it's really all too easy to discover the identity of people on the Internet, even those who would prefer to remain psuedonymous. And that got me to thinking...

This Andrew fellow seems interesting -- he certainly knows how to issue a challenge! I'd like to send him some cookies. Large, warm cookies.

He's pretty sure that nothing can be done to stop him. I'd like to know more about that. Maybe my friends and I could pay him a visit at home, at work, at school? It would be fun to talk to his friends, we could swap Andew anecdotes.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy September 15, 2015 4:57 PM  

I wanted to get the new Weber Safehold to see where all the paper is going to end up. I like the tech even if the conversations are too much.

However, I won't buy it or check it out of the library. Nor will I buy any Tor.

Blogger Bill September 15, 2015 4:58 PM  

I've been hitting refresh every few seconds just to see what the little 'tard tries to drop in the punchbowl. Meh. They're quite delete-worthy. Just invective and vulgarity in prose style. Kinda like one of those "postmodern text generators" with libidinousness switched on.

Blogger JartStar September 15, 2015 5:01 PM  

JQP if that's you, settle down and I hope you are doing well.

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 5:03 PM  

Here's Spooner, #202.

Blogger David The Good September 15, 2015 5:05 PM  

@Anthony Gillis

I also make my income from writing, though non-fiction for the most part.

I've got a killer novel idea I need to put together, though. It's coming after two more non-fiction books get out the door...

Would love to talk shop at some point. My e-mail is david (at) floridafoodforests.com.

Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 5:06 PM  

@83 Markku

(**Trigger Warning**)

Oh . . . not here?

Anonymous Curious September 15, 2015 5:07 PM  

Vox, we need a clearing house or a SFF Author's links page where authors can drop links to their work.

If it wasn't for searching for Anthony Gillis on Amazon I would not have been aware of his books.

Anonymous Curious September 15, 2015 5:11 PM  

Speaking of which, I would prefer to purchase through Castalia as well.

Blogger David-2 September 15, 2015 5:13 PM  

@42 - That's tor.com's publishing page, not tor's. That said - looking at the covers and reading the synopses - and did I say looking at the covers? - you'd have to be the Amazing Kreskin to guess that was a sci-fi imprint. (Of course, Tor Book's page here isn't much better, as we all know.)

#415

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 5:18 PM  

@85 Rabbi B
@83 Markku

(**Trigger Warning**)

Oh . . . not here?
----

You win the hideous visual of the day QQ

Blogger David-2 September 15, 2015 5:20 PM  

@84 - is your novel like this?. Except with a compost pile instead of trash? 'Cause I'd definitely read that.

(I really enjoyed the Good Guide even though I've been an apartment-dwelling non-gardener since forever. Entertaining and informative!)

#415

Anonymous 334 September 15, 2015 5:21 PM  

@91.

Say what?

Blogger Blume September 15, 2015 5:21 PM  

Dont, we found out who he was. Andrew Spooner is a real live crazy person. If I remember right, from Missouri. I am sure he is suicidal and when on his meds seems ok. At least he apologized once.

Blogger Blume September 15, 2015 5:23 PM  

Yep, that's the crazy bastard. We should warn off the fiancee if she is real.

Blogger Jack Ward September 15, 2015 5:25 PM  

@72 OK. I hit the monster at Amazon and got the free book 1 Storms own Son. If like, will buy some more. Hope I like it. Its a good feeling to support promising indie authors at decent prices. Like Rolf Nelson, for instance. If you have not read his The Stars Came Back, its a treat; though the present writing style [which is under revision to more normal writing; whatever the hell that is] may cause some pause the first chapter or so. I happened to like it and have read the thing at least 4 times.

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 5:34 PM  

If you're serious about that, Blume, here's an export of his comments so far:

Blogger David-2 September 15, 2015 5:40 PM  

@1 @16 @5 w.r.t. price elasticity - in this post Amazon explained the price elasticity of ebooks. E.g., statements like "For every copy an e-book would sell at $14.99, it would sell 1.74 copies if priced at $9.99." and "The important thing to note here is that at the lower price, total revenue increases 16%.".

If they put that information in a simple forum post for their readers, imagine how comprehensive the spreadsheet was that they gave each of the publishers during their negotiations.

Yet even after the publishers regained "control" (with the agency model) they still raised prices. And now the publishers don't understand why sales and revenue have dropped. (Though at least one "publishing consulting firm" executive knows why: "Unfortunately, it may be that consumers aren't happy with the higher prices" (Mike Shatzkin, Idea Logical Co., from the WSJ article linked above.) Deliberate understatement to make a point or genuine puzzlement? You decide.)

#415

Anonymous Menelaus September 15, 2015 5:45 PM  

I downloaded Gillis free ebook to evaluate as well.
I got this free ebook recently and bought book 2 about to buy book 3 of the military scifi series. Really enjoyable, clean with Christian pov. I wish the author Lee Stephen would contact Castalia.

Blogger Bill September 15, 2015 5:49 PM  

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Blogger luagha September 15, 2015 5:50 PM  

This all reminds me of the old Apple 2 text game 'Lemonade Stand' where each day the game would tell you how much it costs you to make a glass of lemonade and what the weather was. Cloudy days meant you sold less, hot days meant you sold more, and it was cheaper to make in the summer than in the winter.

I went about rigorously graphing how many I could sell at what fraction just above the nickel cost-to-make so as to get the most sales and best profit.

My brother came along and put his glass of lemonade up for $2.00 (in 1982-3). He would only sell one, but he'd make $1.95 of profit on it, which I could only rarely beat... and he only had to make one glass.

Blogger Pinakeli September 15, 2015 5:51 PM  

@94 Jack Ward

I agree with the observation, however I liked the format from the start. I am probably one of the few that want to see the sequel written in the same style.

I find it much easier to read and keep the flow of exactly who is saying what in screenplay format.

Rolf, are you listening?

Blogger Pinakeli September 15, 2015 5:53 PM  

And since I can't edit (yet) in this comment system, I forgot to mention that I also went and bought one of your books, Anthony Gillis.

I have a rather large list ahead of it right now (I just started a new job and reading time is short), but I also want to see new talent.

Blogger automatthew September 15, 2015 5:55 PM  

Attaqsjw was Tad.

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 5:56 PM  

Matt, when you see Andrew's comments, spam them but don't delete them. I'm building a case for Google. I want them all.

Blogger automatthew September 15, 2015 6:04 PM  

Okay.

Anonymous BGS September 15, 2015 6:06 PM  

@7 The thing is, the boycott likely isn't even in the margin. You can't declare victory if you can't even get on the battlefield.

"Your one arrow that hit us is nothing compared to how many times we shot ourselves in the foot"~SJW

“This is a title-driven business,” he said. “If you have a good book, price isn’t an issue.”

If you where an angry black woman my love The hugo award winning tale of a black/woman's studies professor who makes students buy her $200 textbook for a mandatory die verse city class.

Even SJWs cannot stomach the crap served up by their fellow SJWs. You can call it art if you want, but it's still a big, reeking turd

Its the kind of art you have to do drugs to appreciate.

"So writing is now a hyper competitive environment, with zero barriers to entry, and a bunch of new talent flooding in willing to work for wages that would make it impossible to support an American family on.

I don't know "BOND GHEYNEGGAR BOND" parody might be more profitable than the next bond movie.

@42 Witches of Lychford: The villagers in the sleepy hamlet of Lychford are divided. A supermarket wants to build a major branch on their border. Some welcome the employment opportunities, while some object to the modernization of the local environment.

Bloody hell please tell me this is not real.

@69 The question is what happens after Bezos is gone?

If you thought the CHORFs dancing after Margate Thatcher died was in poor taste, the graveyard Bezos will be put into will have all the grass/dirt stomped into the hardness of concrete.

Blogger Pinakeli September 15, 2015 6:06 PM  

I think you got one of mine in that latest delete.

I was just commenting that Rolf Nelson's The Stars Came Back was a very good read and I prefer the screenplay format personally. I find it easier to follow who exactly is speaking at any given time.

Anonymous 334 September 15, 2015 6:06 PM  

@93. Markku

Thanks for that, actually. Horrible as it is, I will be praying for this poor lost guy.

Markku, you have a heck of a job. You do it, one presumes, with little thanks and you do it well. This place would be chaos without someone at the wheel. So thanks.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 15, 2015 6:08 PM  

Markku, super-awesome time-travelling cyborg Rabbi B -

Gentlemen, I salute your picture skills.

Let's play a game...

Imagine, if you will, what sort of woman would hang out at creepy fork-bearded kiddy-fiddly-diddly-defenderino Phil Sanduskifer's blog...

And actively collaborate in his job-dodging, science fiction pozzing, beardy weirdy SJW shenanigans...

A woman who goes by the name of "Alison Jane Campbell". Or just "Jane".

I know what you're thinking: legbeard, tats, septum piercing, problem glasses, BMI of OMG.

But no.

Would I do that to you?

Of course not. It's much worse than that...

Anonymous 334 September 15, 2015 6:10 PM  

@106.

Gah! Manjaw!

Blogger Blume September 15, 2015 6:11 PM  

If you are asking about when I said he seems OK on his med, I would like to state he is clearly off his meds today.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 15, 2015 6:13 PM  

334 - the jaw isn't the only manly part on ole Jane...

Anonymous 334 September 15, 2015 6:14 PM  

@109.

Steve, I am clearly out of my league. Second look confirms you are correct.

What is wrong with these people??????

Blogger Blume September 15, 2015 6:18 PM  

It looks like Mark Hammel with a wig.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 15, 2015 6:19 PM  

@#37 (Bill - Self-publishing)

Self-publishing is obviously not going to be for everyone. The massive problem of the past 6-7 decades being that the number of traditional publishers was steadily reduced so that the entire market was effectively controlled by the so-called "big five" - all of whom are SJW-controlled. This problem of concentration in few hands is how SJWs end up taking over vast swaths of territory and locking out all opposition to their insane religion. As someone above noted in kind of an oblique reference to my point about Amazon - the work environment there is pretty much like that of a galley-slave unless you're high on the food chain. It probably does keep the SJWs away to an extent. However (as someone also noted), what happens when Bezos retires or dies?

What the strategists here need to be thinking about is how to build an infrastructure which is not only out of SJW control but decentralized in such a way that SJW takeover is much more difficult. This blog, for example, is run on a platform owned by Google - an place that's pretty much controlled by the SJWs already. Vox gave the example of Facebook shutting down talk of hate facts yesterday, but Facebook has been shutting down talk that made too loud mention of negro crimes in the USSA at least two years ago. Zuckerberg is an SJW and everyone who works for him is probably an SJW, so this should come as no surprise at all. We need our own Amazons (not just one), our own Googles, our own OSs (Apple and Microsoft are enemy territory in case you've not noticed).

Blogger Pinakeli September 15, 2015 6:23 PM  

I think you got one of mine in that latest delete.

I was just commenting that Rolf Nelson's The Stars Came Back was a very good read and I prefer the screenplay format personally. I find it easier to follow who exactly is speaking at any given time.

Blogger Pinakeli September 15, 2015 6:23 PM  

@94 Jack Ward

I agree with the observation, however I liked the format from the start. I am probably one of the few that want to see the sequel written in the same style.

I find it much easier to read and keep the flow of exactly who is saying what in screenplay format.

Rolf, are you listening?

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 6:31 PM  

@82

Firing off an email now...

Anonymous Adam1 September 15, 2015 6:38 PM  

@105 ``This place would be chaos without someone at the wheel.`` Yes, it would be like the comments at Vox`s old WND column.

Blogger automatthew September 15, 2015 6:42 PM  

Rolf, are you listening?

Ohhhhh you gonna stir up trouble.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 6:52 PM  

@84

Well, I've tried to be low-key on this site, because Vox isn't here to be a marketing platform for me. Neither am I a Castalia House author or anyone close to him. I've been more talkative on *this* thread, because Vox was spot-on about the changes in publishing, and I can personally attest to them.

It probably doesn't help my visibility that my parody tracts are under the mock-names of whatever SJW I'm skewering, though I'm still on the copyright.

I really thank you all for taking a look at my books! Gonna make an old venom-spitting hydra go soft, if only for a moment. Over the past couple of weeks, I've made a point of buying every one of the parodies that turned up from our side. Good, good stuff there, and in stark contrast to the tedious and often barely legible efforts by the SJWs.

Vox - a huge thanks to you above all, for stoking the fires and encouraging us hydras.

Blogger Russell (106) September 15, 2015 6:55 PM  

@106 Steve: Dude looks like a dude.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 7:00 PM  

@81

Followed that link to Spoony-Tunes's FB page. Yeah, he is actually crazy. It seems he believes he's holding off some sort of apocalypse through his magic powers.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 15, 2015 7:01 PM  

Editing, proofreading, and publicity were all things the publisher was supposed to do for the author. How good a job of those are they doing now?

Speaking from lots of recent experience... abysmal (especially at Tor).  Though I notice after reflection that Tor seems to do a better job on the SJW-approved authors.

OTOH I picked up an indy-published book at a local bookstore and found so many gross errors in spelling and grammar in the first two pages that I decided I could not stomach reading it no matter how good the story might have been.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 7:06 PM  

@106

Steve, once again you prove your title, and once again I need to refill the eye bleach. Gets expensive when you have several reptilian, snake-pupiled heads.

'Alison Jane Campbell' there looks to have more testosterone than a baker's dozen Scalzis, and yet I have an awkward suspicion citizen Campbell there might actually have two X chromosomes and a uterus.

Anonymous Giuseppe the Kurgan September 15, 2015 7:15 PM  

Steve TDNOM,
That is no "lady".
Also.... Your power seems to keep growing.... I think this whole blog flinches every time you post a link.

Blogger Danby September 15, 2015 7:19 PM  

"... yet I have an awkward suspicion citizen Campbell there might actually have two X chromosomes and a uterus."
...not with him, of course.

Blogger Danby September 15, 2015 7:20 PM  

I see commenting has gone to moderated.
Crazies spoil it for everybody.

Blogger Bill September 15, 2015 7:21 PM  

"Dagny Taggart doesn't exist. Her bio is fake, her profile picture is a stock photo. The books she writes are full of errors because they are written by a person (or perhaps a group of people) that doesn't actually speak the language and is just copying and writing in her own words what she learns from free language learning websites.
Despite the glaring errors in her books that are obvious to anyone that can actually speak the language, her books are well reviewed, 4.5 out of 5 stars on almost every single one. There are the top selling books in every language category. How could this be? Dagny Taggart is paying for fake reviews, and it's working.
I am an indie author. In full disclosure, I must inform the reader that Dagny Taggart is my direct competition. I am losing to her, and not just her, most of the best selling language learning ebooks are actually just scams...."


https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/3l1epw/how_to_scam_amazon_customers_out_of_100k_a_year/

Blogger byronfrombyron September 15, 2015 7:22 PM  

Per the Torcott, they still haven't dropped a significant SF/F book to buy. Sanderson's got the next one out next month, and that will hurt them, especially if recruitment keeps going up.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 7:29 PM  

@124

...not with him, of course.

Bwa ha ha! That hint of SJW crazy is there too. Oh, yes...

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 7:30 PM  

Wow, man. Automatthew's findings - mind blown. This makes me terribly disappointed.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 15, 2015 7:34 PM  

@74 Little Spoony's comment is already gone.

In the future, if something is likely to disappear can you quote it instead of citing by soon-to-be-vanished comment number?  I've seen two comments which now refer to themselves.

Anonymous Sheila September 15, 2015 7:39 PM  

I, too, just got Anthony Gillis' free book to try. Ages past, I'd get new books/authors from friends' recommendations, or reviews I might have read, or simply browsing the shelves of new books in the library or at the bookstore. Reading Amazon reviews hasn't worked well as a substitute for me. On the other hand, thus far I've really enjoyed all the books/authors I've been introduced to via this blog, so many thanks Vox.

Blogger automatthew September 15, 2015 7:40 PM  

Yeah, the cute numbering linky thing is turning out to be a bad idea.

The Technical Directors of the ELOE have discussed this and are working on a better solution.

Blogger Joseph Bloch September 15, 2015 7:43 PM  

From my perspective, the Tor boycott is self-inflicted. I can't remember the last time I saw a book from Tor and thought to myself, "that sounds interesting, think I'll give it a try."

Baen, on the other hand...

Blogger David The Good September 15, 2015 7:52 PM  

@David-2

That's actually not too far off...

Blogger Eric September 15, 2015 8:04 PM  

From my perspective, the Tor boycott is self-inflicted. I can't remember the last time I saw a book from Tor and thought to myself, "that sounds interesting, think I'll give it a try."

Baen, on the other hand...

I found I had the same experience. The stories are way better, the were the first (i think) to go DRM free and the prces are always reasonable!

Can't tell you how many times they got me with the crack dealer tactic, first one in the series is free.... Yeah.

Far as Tor goes ... F'em. It's certainly not the first or last company I boycott.

Anonymous ticticboom September 15, 2015 8:57 PM  

Hmm. Related to the fun and games in the Amazon reviews: Scott Adams on spotting fake negative reviews.

Also, check out his take on Trump. Scott Adams should read Anonymous Conservative. He makes a lot of the same points AC does, but without the framework of r/K to explain it. Or maybe he does know about it and is concerned for the backlash he would get for spreading something so triggering.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 15, 2015 9:00 PM  

I love indie sci-fi.... of course I am indie sci-fi, so I might be a little biased.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 9:27 PM  

@40 Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery
Witches of Lychford: The villagers in the sleepy hamlet of Lychford are divided. A supermarket wants to build a major branch on their border. Some welcome the employment opportunities, while some object to the modernization of the local environment.
---

Should be renamed to Witches against Walmart, the touching paranormal tale of a bunch of hags trying to prevent Walmart from opening in their area.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 9:33 PM  

@130

Actually, I had no interest in repeating it, because it was crazytroll droppings. It was (rightly) deleted very quickly, and as it turned out, before many of us could react. It also wasn't particularly interesting. Basically, Loony Spoons implied he never slept, and that he had mysterious powers and/or allies to destroy us.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 9:41 PM  

@111 Blume
It looks like Mark Hammel with a wig.
--
The SJW clone army patient zero.

Blogger bob k. mando September 15, 2015 9:46 PM  

132. automatthew September 15, 2015 7:40 PM
Yeah, the cute numbering linky thing is turning out to be a bad idea.



*shrugs*

i done tole you it was gonna be a bad idea if you kept deleting posts in toto.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 10:02 PM  

Thank you again, all, about the books. Enjoy! Keep in mind, my protagonists are generally on the harsh side. I'm a right-wing libertarian, not a conservative, so there will be things you may not agree with. That said - I've been shifting further rightward the past few years, as I've watched the disasters pile up.

But think about this: the very collapse we're seeing by TOR and its like opens the field to us. All of us. Not just novelists, not just the people who posted parodies during the fun with Scalzi.

There were a lot of comments bouncing around a couple of weeks ago, about people throwing in their own contributions. Anyone who thought about it, but hasn't yet - I encourage you to keep going. The more of us say something, write something, do something, and throw our javelins at the enemy, the more will strike home. Scalzi's initial paranoid reaction proved that.

You don't have to be a master of sarcasm. If level-headed dialectic is your way, use that. It won't change any SJW rabbit-minds, but thus-far silent neutrals might listen, good people among them, and line up on our side.

*ahem* Unless you are Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery - you ARE a master of sarcasm, and it would be a noble task to put your powers to use in a book or few.

Blogger E. William Brown September 15, 2015 10:15 PM  

Like Anthony Gillis I''m a full time indie SF/F author, and I have to agree that both his comments and Vox's post are spot on. The 'benefits' of traditional publishing are almost entirely illusory. Sure, they'll print your book and put it in bookstores, and that will get you some sales. But I'll take half as many sales for five times the royalties any day of the week, especially when the deal comes with complete creative freedom.

Anonymous Takin' a look September 15, 2015 10:47 PM  

...after the accident

Anonymous Tom Bri September 15, 2015 11:19 PM  

Baen is up and down, they put out a lot of crap too, but less than others. I buy Baen and Castalia because both accept PayPal, and Amazon does not. Baen also has decent prices on their own works.
I put one novel on Amazon, and was surprised at how well it did. Definitely going their again for the next book, unless lightning strikes and Castalia wants it. If I wrote faster, I could make a living writing fiction.

Anonymous Anonymous Something September 15, 2015 11:48 PM  

I haven't bought anything in dead-tree format in so many years I barely remember the last time. (I *think* it was Shelly Reuben's latest (at the time) mystery, which wasn't available in any other format, at least not when I was looking for it. (She writes wonderful arson mysteries derived from her day job as an arson investigator for an insurance company, and she used to be Ayn Rand's typist.)) I don't buy a lot of ebooks either--mostly I do audiobooks. I have a one-credit-a-month subscription at Audible, and recently, I've been picking mostly on length. Almost everything there is one credit, whether the cash price is $1.99 or $19.99, whether the length is 60 minutes or 60 hours. I'm currently in the middle of one of Peter F. Hamilton's space opera trilogies (the Commonwealth Saga, published in print by Del Rey, in audio by Tantor), and I spent the last six months working my way through all eight of Diana Gabaldon's Outlander books (Bantam in print, Recorded Books in audio, at least for the last one). They carry all the big stuff from Baen (Weber, Correia, etc.), and I will be first in line if another main-line Hnor Harringon ever comes out. (I'm considerably less enthusiastic about spinoff series #8 or whatever we're up to now.)

What ebooks I do buy mostly come directly from Apple through the iBooks bookstore, though I've bought a fair few direct from Baen and Castalia too.

All of which is to say, um, something? Mostly, I guess, that Amazon pricing interests me not in least, and I'll be happy to see Tor go down in flames--all the authors I care about can get by just fine as indies, or could easily be picked up by Baen, and even those who can't can continue to not make enough to be full-timers by selling a tenth as many books to their friends and family and making ten times the money.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 16, 2015 1:58 AM  

We finally cut the cable last month, and have replaced it almost entirely with documentaries and original indie content on YouTube, which are far superior to anything on cable TV.

Twenty years ago I was working in Microsoft's research division on TV-PC convergence stuff. We were working with DirecTV and I got a deal to set up DTV at my house. Man, weekend morning started off with HGTV (Home and Garden TV), watching serious DIY shows that got me motivated to go out and work on the property most of the late morning and afternoon. Then a ahower and a couple hours watching Food TV, which had real cooking how-to shows, that got me excited to make something out of the ordinary for dinner.

Now all that exciting, invigorating, energizing content is on YouTube. I watch King of Random and then go out and make an aluminum smelter or sugar rockets or some such.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 16, 2015 1:59 AM  

We finally cut the cable last month, and have replaced it almost entirely with documentaries and original indie content on YouTube, which are far superior to anything on cable TV.

Twenty years ago I was working in Microsoft's research division on TV-PC convergence stuff. We were working with DirecTV and I got a deal to set up DTV at my house. Man, weekend morning started off with HGTV (Home and Garden TV), watching serious DIY shows that got me motivated to go out and work on the property most of the late morning and afternoon. Then a ahower and a couple hours watching Food TV, which had real cooking how-to shows, that got me excited to make something out of the ordinary for dinner.

Now all that exciting, invigorating, energizing content is on YouTube. I watch King of Random and then go out and make an aluminum smelter or sugar rockets or some such.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 16, 2015 2:33 AM  

@23. Stickwick
First of all, it makes me wonder how much talent the gatekeepers have been holding back over the centuries.


Come on, they are famous for it. How many publishers, editors and other so-called professionals in the industry passed over Harry Potter before someone decided it was the bestest of ever?

Blogger MidKnight (#138) September 16, 2015 2:58 AM  

Insofar as Torcott

I haven't bought up several boos that had been on my list - Neal Asher, and sadly, had just started JCW's "count" series before that - since it started, including several audiobooks.

I won't be buying the next Sanderson book, which I was looking forward to.

I was already on the fence on the next of Weber's safehold books, but between the Torcott and his even harder feminist turn (there's a pretty nasty and unnecessary scene in one of the most recent ones) - No.

Oh - and put me down as "Love the script format" for Stars Came Back

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 16, 2015 2:59 AM  

@132. automatthew
Embedded replies seems to be how most sites handle it

Blogger MidKnight (#138) September 16, 2015 3:02 AM  

@Frank B Luke

One reason the boycott works against the SJW buycott that GRRM et. al. called for after Vox called for the boycott is that we are patient. Though they made hundreds of sockpuppet accounts to declare their loyalty, I am sure that some of them went out and bought Tor books specifically to spite the ilk. However, I doubt that lasted long. Before much time passed, their incentive to buy diminished. They were assured victory had been had. For many, Tor returned to it's prior place on the list.

It's also easier to NOT buy, spend money, or spend time and money on other things, than to keep coughing up extra cash.

It's one reason SJW's should be more scared of teh success of the Chick-fil-a "buycotts" than they were, even as short-term as they were. Among other things - not too many good substitutes even for progressives trying to keep away. Tor? I can find JCW used.





Slightly OT

Over at Brad Wardell's - almost a short, encapsulated "SJW's always lie"

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/471497/No_bad_tactics_just_bad_targets_Anti-GamerGate_implodes

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 16, 2015 3:11 AM  

A bit [OT] but we seem to have strayed into "It's a man, baby!" territory.

One of Sargon of Akkad's lastest videos has a frighteningly long montage of young girls who claim to be "not a girl". It is such a sorry collection of self-hate as I've ever seen. And then all the SJW men in SF/F who want to pretend to be women is astonishing.

These are clearly not trans- anything, they weren't born in the wrong bodies. They are broken children who hate themselves and want to be anybody else. The sick fucks who encourage this instead of helping them accept who they are are even worse human beings.

Anonymous anonymous coward September 16, 2015 4:20 AM  

What the strategists here need to be thinking about is how to build an infrastructure which is not only out of SJW control but decentralized in such a way that SJW takeover is much more difficult.
This infrastructure exists. It is called 'the World Wide Web'. Of course, you threw it all away and capitulated to the Google/Facebook duopoly because you wanted a slightly easier way to post selfies.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 16, 2015 5:22 AM  

334 - What is wrong with these people??????

It's something that you find time and time again.

Their words strongly suggest it, but their pictures prove it:

SJW's are the freaks of society.

Look at this unintentionally revealing post by "Jack Graham", a "Gothic Marxist" who blogs obsessively about lhis violent Communist fantasies and Doctor Who over at Sandifer's site:

In school, sport is a dark ritual soaked in hierarchy and humiliation and hatred and contempt. Win or you're rubbish. Understand and like and care about the right things or you're 'gay' (horror of horrors). Be thin and athletic or know that you are subhuman.

All school is like that. A huge pyramidal structure of power in which the establishment trains its next generation to be drones or managers or lumpen failures salutary for the rest of us. Meanwhile, the kids compete for popularity and cool and acceptance. Learn, children, straight away, that life is a race and the losers are scum. It's all built on the shaming and degradation of anyone different or overweight or awkward or sad or bookish or unattractive or poor or clueless or weak.

That was the context in which I was exposed to sport and games for the first time. I don't remember ever being taught about it. I was just thrown in and expected to prove my aggressive masculinity (at age 7 or whatever!), to jeer at anybody who wasn't as good as me, or accept that it was my place to be jeered at if I didn't have any aptitude or skill.

Inevitably, I reacted against it and became not just useless but actively hostile. I started to define myself in opposition to things like healthiness and outdoorsiness and athleticism.


For the SJW, high school never ended. They go through life with a boiling resentment of normal, happy, successful people.

That is why they're SJW's. An ideology which fetishises losers, oddballs and failures and empowers them to hector and humiliate their betters with PoMo word salad and social media dogpiling is like catnip to these people.

This isn't Revenge of the Nerds: nerds are smart. This is more like Sedition of the Spazzes.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 16, 2015 6:04 AM  

Blume - It looks like Mark Hammel with a wig.

Ha! :)

Russell - Dude looks like a dude.

Excellent. Steve Tyler was a more convincing tranny than "Jane", and he wasn't even trying.

Giuseppe the Kurgan - my dear immortal skull-collector, I fear you are right.

My gift of scrying, which reveals to me the doughy, squidgy, hilariously asymmetrical true forms of the SJW has recently undergone a phase transition.

I am become Steve, the Scourer of Sight.

Unfortunately there is always a price to be paid for any one of the Supreme Dark Lord's gifts.

I now must wear sunglasses indoors, lest the burning luminescence of my ocular organs frighten small children and cats.

Anthony - Noble hydra, if it is any consolation, I have the same problem. After seeing one particularly zaftig image of Big Seanan I had to lock myself in my study for an hour and look at pictures of delightful LOLcats.

Were-Puppy - Yes, it is set in England, so it's probably about some fat old Wiccans passively-aggressively shaking their spell-crystals and pewter dragon ornaments at a Tesco.

If it was set in the US, they'd be fat old hags equipped with rocket launchers and Uzis, battling the Wendigo who runs Walmart.

Shut up rabbit - It's a real problem.

The number of males who have failed to become men (or girls who have failed at being feminine) is disturbing.

And then all the SJW men in SF/F who want to pretend to be women is astonishing.

The best thing we can do for these people is deliver regular bracing doses of mockery.

Trying to spare their fee-fees just encourages their insane gender delusions.

Blogger James Dixon September 16, 2015 7:15 AM  

> Thank you again, all, about the books.

I just downloaded your free book Andrew, I have no idea if I'll have time to read it anytime in the foreseeable future or not, but it's in the queue.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 16, 2015 7:37 AM  

So writing is now a hyper competitive environment, with zero barriers to entry, and a bunch of new talent flooding in willing to work for wages that would make it impossible to support an American family on. I wonder if that has any sort of analogy to any present world problems.

We're all Mexicans now?

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 16, 2015 7:42 AM  

Vox, we need a clearing house or a SFF Author's links page where authors can drop links to their work.

Glenn Reynolds over at Instapundit regularly throws in "book plugs for readers". That is, books written by Instapundit readers; they ask Glenn to mention their book, and he does.

Vox could do worse. Castalia can't publish all the books by Our People. So why not give them a plug here? (I'm reading VP reader Rolf Nelson's great "The Stars Came Back" right now by the way...one that IS published by Castalia House.)

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 8:38 AM  

It's one reason SJW's should be more scared of teh success of the Chick-fil-a "buycotts" than they were, even as short-term as they were.

Was it short-term, though? I mean, the formal "buycott" certainly was, but every time I travel to a location with a Chick-fil-A, I'm pretty likely to check it out. One of the reasons is that they make a pretty mean fried chicken sandwich, of course, but one of the reasons is that I prefer to patronize a business that doesn't actively hate me. I hear that from a lot of people, too. And every time I go to a Chick-fil-A, no matter where it is, no matter what time it is, it's always packed.

Blogger Mindstorm September 16, 2015 8:43 AM  

@31 Bill:
Easily countered with a Faraday cage, which could be pretty lightweight. As for ammo, you still have to score a hit.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 8:51 AM  

If it was set in the US, they'd be fat old hags equipped with rocket launchers and Uzis, battling the Wendigo who runs Walmart.

I'd actually read that.

Blogger Bill September 16, 2015 9:39 AM  

@161 Mindstorm
Easily countered with a Faraday cage

I disagree. If you flood the zone with EMP, particularly in the relevant bands, it would block comms with the drone, heck, the drone wouldn't even pick up GPS. And it would also block comms/GPS/sigint/elint/etc. If you wanted to flatten the spectrum while your guys moved, I don't think it would be that difficult or expensive - easier and more effective than radar guided lasers - used in conjunction with the lasers you'd really have something. Lasers only work on optics (yeah yeah, IR to UV), the other 99.99% of the spectrum is also of use.

Blogger Bill September 16, 2015 9:43 AM  

I try to eat at Chick-fil-A if I have a choice, mostly due to the buycott. Before that; I like the sandwiches but wouldn't drive out of my way to get one. (but I eat them without the bun, just extra pickles)

Blogger Bill September 16, 2015 9:59 AM  

The more I think about it the more I think Red Horse really missed this one; in the future all 'real battlefield' comms will have to be line-of-sight. Probably somewhere well above the visible band, so that your comms are blocked by buildings etc that also block countermeasures. If you had a comms drone overhead, it could also be flooded by countermeasures. Even if you CDMA'd it, or used some other encoding scheme for crowded bandwidth (QAM, LTE, same problem), the signals could still be overwhelmed. You'd have to use small repeaters (subject to capture or physical damage), which is a logistical nightmare. I think most things above small groups would be operating comms-free in a combat zone, but in typical 4GW this would be too disruptive to civilian comms to be in the tool-kit. Eh, I'll have to think about it - how would you do comms if EMP and lasers are essentially free?

Blogger doofus September 16, 2015 10:39 AM  

I am a bit late to the party and no doubt other people have already clued to this, but something Vox wrote here resonated with me. He said, "Once a new author hits Amazon, he has no incentive to work with the traditional publishers."

I would say that he is actually wrong on this: Once an author hits Amazon, he has EVERY INCENTIVE NOT TO WORK WITH TRADITIONAL PUBLISHERS. Which is not the same thing. What the TradPub idiots are doing is actually turning out an entire generation of writers who dislike them intensely. It takes a lot of work to get a book out the door. Once you have done it once, though, you have the workflow in place. Are you going to surrender 90% of your potential profit (70% from Amazon v 8% or so from TradPub) to replace the process you have so painstakingly gotten together? Ironically, Amazon is practicing a kind of lock-in by forcing authors to do all the work themselves. I know, having had to arrange for editing and cover and all that stuff on my current work, that it is a pain, but certainly doable. I am not interested in turning it over to someone else along with the lions-share of the profits.

Blogger automatthew September 16, 2015 10:50 AM  

@151 Shut up rabbit,

We have a proof of concept working at the test blog: http://vilefacelessmoderator.blogspot.com/2015/07/faking-comment-reply-system.html

It's violates Principle of Least Surprise, though, so we're trying to figure out how best to work it into the GUI.

Blogger automatthew September 16, 2015 10:52 AM  

Oh, you may have meant nested comment threads.

I strongly dislike nested comments. I'd rather use an imageboard's horrible interface.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 16, 2015 10:59 AM  

@164 Bill
I try to eat at Chick-fil-A if I have a choice, mostly due to the buycott. Before that; I like the sandwiches but wouldn't drive out of my way to get one. (but I eat them without the bun, just extra pickles)
---
The Coolwrap also rocks

Blogger Carl Philipp September 16, 2015 11:08 AM  

@132
Program it so when a comment is removed from the list, all magic links are automatically changed if necessary?

Blogger Mindstorm September 16, 2015 11:36 AM  

@163 Bill
You have answered yourself. While being comm-jammed or EMPed the drone would go into the autonomous mode - most likely hovering in place (and avoiding hostiles, if necessary). As for drone surveillance output, I have no idea. Heliograph-like laser-pulse line? That would be susceptible to a simple smokescreen and would be difficult to maintain due to stability issues.

To counter cutting the GPS signal would require an internal gyroscope for orientation input, I guess. But that would work only for a short time.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 16, 2015 11:41 AM  

@132 If the auto-filters could be tuned to ignore internal links (inside the page, or inside the blog) this would be much less of a problem; you could just use the comment permalink.  IOW, if Google could be persuaded to stop screwing up the best solution, you can avoid the half-assed workaround.

@170 Blogger doesn't have an edit function for comments, so even if you wrote a script to walk the comment references and adjust for deletions you can't actually make use of it.

@165 Spread-spectrum techniques can punch through with greater power in the channel being used at that instant than a broad-spectrum jammer can put in that same channel.  Optics can be point-to-point, with telescopes looking only at the emitters they're talking to.  The real problem is going to be keeping the $10,000 comm/intel drone from being blown to bits by a $100 missile made with model rocket engines and a flash-powder warhead.

Blogger Danby September 16, 2015 11:47 AM  

The Russians already have a device that jams the GPS signal, and sends a fake one to the drone.This was tested by their friends the Iranians, who used one to capture a drone a couple of years ago.
Doubtless countermeasures are already in place, as are counter-countermeasures, and soon counter-counter-countermeasures

Blogger automatthew September 16, 2015 12:02 PM  

@170. Carl Philipp,

Sadly impossible. Blogger's commenting system allows us almost no real control. All we can do is change how the browser displays the content that Blogger provides.

Blogger Russell (106) September 16, 2015 12:45 PM  

@160 Gaiseric !

"And every time I go to a Chick-fil-A, no matter where it is, no matter what time it is, it's always packed."

Ditto. And the service has been uniformly excellent.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 12:49 PM  

@175 Russell (106)

Indeed; they have the friendliest workers in the entire fast food industry, in my experience, and the consistency of that friendliness is remarkably good. I don't know how they do it, but I assume stricter hiring procedures than most.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 16, 2015 1:00 PM  

Vox, we need a clearing house or a SFF Author's links page where authors can drop links to their work.

I've started a list of self-reported indie authors here on Vox Popoli. Thus far, just culled from this thread:

E. William Brown
David the Good
Tom Bri
Floyd Looney
Myself

Since I don't see it as Vox's problem to be a platform or clearinghouse for us, given he's already got a publishing house, two blogs, various dark forces of darkness, sinister dimension-spanning plots, and who knows what else to run... I can step up and so something.

I propose a sort of guerrilla alliance of blue-SFF and/or red-pill genre writers, including parodies. I can put something up on my site until I get a domain picked and purchased. We'd need to pick a name - I think something with Hydra in it would be good (and not because it is my chosen nickname - I got the idea from, I think, Vox describing us parody-writers as new hydra heads popping up whenever Scalzi cut one down.)

There are a lot of possibilities - cross-mention, advice and ideas, honest reviews as antidotes to SJW hit pieces, squadmates and wingmen in direct battles with SJWs. Coordination with Vox's campaigns and those of others on our side. It could arguably be a kind of anti-SFWA.

We should include support for any writers and small presses that were allies or co-belligerents even if not part of the alliance itself - Castalia house, Evil Legion of Evil, a certain well-known Supreme Dark Lord, etc. (Any of those would be eminently welcome to the alliance, of course)

Interest, comments, takers?

I can be reached directly at: info (at) anthonygillis dot com

Blogger Bill September 16, 2015 1:07 PM  

@173 Blogger Danby
There already are encrypted GPS signals, for the reason you mentioned. But these are still very susceptible to jamming, just not spoofing. There is simply no way for a satellite 12,000 miles away to put out enough power to overcome something ten miles away - the inverse square law is a real thing - particularly when the thing ten miles away has a diesel engine instead of a solar panel, and double your bet when you know the exact band you're targeting. Now, granted, there is such a thing as terrestrial GPS, I think that's where we're heading - but again, as with the sword, armor, arrow, bullet progression, a terrestrial GPS is the world's most attractive target, complete with it's own homing signal!

I believe the solution will ultimately be; mechanized infantry with a bubble localized to their (whatever they're calling an) APC, probably using microwave or lasers for comms and to provide guidance to Line of Site drones used like we use artillery today, with the same tech used to laze targets for said drones. The drone could dodge incoming rounds, and we could shift lambda until the drone gets a lock (encoded to ensure it's the right reflection, this is already how it works), records the location relative to the APC, and attack autonomously.

@172 Mr. Rational
Spread spectrum cannot overcome jamming. Spread spectrum can overcome crowded bandwidth - not a signal several orders of magnitude higher than what's being received. Spread spectrum depends on narrow-band jamming, as such, made narrow-band jamming obsolete. These days, spread spectrum is used mostly for it's low probability of intercept than because it's difficult to jam. Frequency hopping, coupled with software defined radios, is the best way to beat jamming, but this would only be effective for a very limited range, unless your transmitter itself is capable of flattening the spectrum - in which case, as they say, "push to talk".

Anonymous Eric Ashley September 16, 2015 1:26 PM  

Anthony Gillis,

I've written 'Darwin's World' which applied my theory of Douglas Adam's beat a dead horse to dust to Darwinism.

Another novel, 'Death of a Blogger', world's first murder mystery about a blogger.

Also, a couple DND settings, and some occasionally mind-breakingly hard Multiverser:The Game world settings books. Including one where I put forward the idea of Mech Pilots being a new feudal nobility that will eventually destroy the Galactic Empire. Which someone else had mentioned the idea of Mechas and Downton Abbey....

Oh, yes, I also wrote a Selenothian short about a dwarf wanting to go fishing.

Blogger BigFire September 16, 2015 1:30 PM  

BTW, Larry Correia have a nice long fisking of Huffington Post article on the 'artistic value' of publishing vs getting paid. http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/09/15/fisking-the-huffpo-because-writers-need-to-get-paid/

Blogger Russell (106) September 16, 2015 1:30 PM  

@176 Gaiseric !

"I don't know how they do it, but I assume stricter hiring procedures than most."

My guess it's mainly because they are an explicitly Christian business.

Christian behavior, that is to say honesty, treating others with charity, attention to duty, do not bear false witness against the client, all that is built in and it shows.

Blogger Russell (106) September 16, 2015 1:32 PM  

@177 Anthony Gillis

Go for it!

Vox and Markku can't do it all at once.

Blogger Allan Davis September 16, 2015 1:50 PM  

Anthony, I've got one collection of spooky stories ("Perchance to Scream") up for sale. Beyond that, I've done articles for Lew Rockwell, two stories with the OC's Stupefying Stories, and a bunch of stuff I wrote for the old Friday Challenge.

My wife and I are putting together a small publishing house of our own based on the model Castalia has set; we've got one cover artist and a half-dozen translators on board.

-=ad=-

Blogger Cail Corishev September 16, 2015 1:52 PM  

Program it so when a comment is removed from the list, all magic links are automatically changed if necessary?

It's being worked on. The way Blogger works just makes it a lot harder than you'd think.

If we were SJWs, I guess we'd create a Patreon account to fund the work, or maybe apply for some government/industry grants.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 16, 2015 1:57 PM  

Allan and Eric,

Got it. That makes the list:

E. William Brown
David the Good
Tom Bri
Floyd Looney
Eric Ashley
Allan Davis
Myself

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 16, 2015 2:07 PM  

I should note, Hydra, or whatever proves to be a cool name, won't be a publishing house - it will be - or rather is, given the response I'm getting, a network or alliance of anti-SJW non-pink SFF writers. It will work in full support of other groups like the ELE and whoever else is out there on our side.

Though it shouldn't be too centralized, it will need at least a website. I can get things rolling on that, but there will be LOTS to do. The main roles I can see are:

Site administrators & moderators - for those with the skills
Graphic artists - both the itself site and memes, infographics etc... again those skills
Organizers - for the talky extroverts
Bloggers - on whatever main site we have
Guerrilla fighters - meaning reviewers, commenters and online brawlers
Authors - those putting out the books themselves

Any one person might do several things, naturally. Thoughts?

again, for direct contact: info (at) anthonygillis dot com

Anonymous WaterBoy September 16, 2015 2:23 PM  

automatthew @132: "The Technical Directors of the ELOE have discussed this and are working on a better solution."

I left a suggestion on your blog, @ 32, if you're interested.

Blogger Allan Davis September 16, 2015 2:24 PM  

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Anonymous WaterBoy September 16, 2015 2:43 PM  

Will Best @30: "So writing is now a hyper competitive environment, with zero barriers to entry, and a bunch of new talent flooding in willing to work for wages that would make it impossible to support an American family on. I wonder if that has any sort of analogy to any present world problems."

It would if the Health Department didn't require permits for every mom-and-mom operation selling food out of their own kitchen.

There's the solution -- require licenses for authors!

Coming to a Starbucks near you: "You got a permit for that word processing software, kid?"

Anonymous Frank B Luke September 16, 2015 3:38 PM  

@185

I am also a self-published author (far right and anti-SJW) who would be interested. I have a novel and 2 stories on Amazon with more on the way.

In my WIP, I even make an off hand reference most of us would smile about.

In a library, looking for books. "This book says it won the Hugo for best Novel in 1960. Does that mean something?"

"Back then, it sure did."

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 16, 2015 3:47 PM  

Good stuff Frank! Tell me which one would best be read first, and I'll buy it.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 16, 2015 4:05 PM  

@190 Frank B Luke

Your stuff looks interesting! Added you to the author list:

E. William Brown
David the Good
Tom Bri
Floyd Looney
Eric Ashley
Allan Davis
Frank B Luke
Anthony Gillis

Anonymous Frank B Luke September 16, 2015 4:28 PM  

@191

Good question. Rebirths is dark fantasy, set in the 1200s. I have the second Lou's story all ready except for the cover (actually 2-6 are done except for covers). Joshua stories tend to have happy endings while Lou's rarely do. It will be a bit of time before the next Joshua story comes out. I have finished one, but it should be released fourth in the series not second.

My favorite of the three is Rebirths by far. Being the longest, I really got to build up the worldview and setting. Honestly, it still gets me in some scenes. My favorite scene is the spiritual climax in part 3: I won't spoil anything by telling you it's the scene in the catacombs underneath the elven cathedral when they find the tomb of the elven martyr.

Rebirths can stand completely alone but it also allows for a sequel. And if the spirit so moves, one day I'll finish it.

Anonymous Frank B Luke September 16, 2015 4:58 PM  

@191

@192

Thank you very much. Hearing that the writing sounds interesting means a lot to me.

Blogger automatthew September 16, 2015 5:00 PM  

Anthony Gillis: We'd need to pick a name - I think something with Hydra in it would be good.

Hydragoons

Blogger Allan Davis September 16, 2015 5:44 PM  

...somehow, "vile faceless minions" and "Hail Hydra" just seem to...fit...somehow...

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 16, 2015 5:52 PM  

I been brainstorming. Here is the unedited list thus far. I'll add others as people suggest them.

Infinite Brotherhood of Hydras
Infinite Legion of Hydras
Infinite Hydra Legions
Infinite League of Hydras
Infinite Hordes of Hydra
Infinite Hydra Hordes
Infinite Fangs of Hydra
Uncensorable Hydras
Uncensorable Legion of Hydras
Uncensorable Hydra Legions
Uncensorable League of Hydras
Uncensorable Hordes of Hydra
Uncensorable Hydra Hordes
Uncensorable Pens of Hydra
Magnificent Hydra Bastards
Teeth of the Hydra
The Uncensorable Word
The Word Horde (a slight nod/jab at William S. Burroughs)
The Infinite Words
Hydragoons - suggested by automatthew

As soon as I get an interim page up on my site, I'll try to move the discussion over there.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 16, 2015 6:00 PM  

@196 Allan Davis

...somehow, "vile faceless minions" and "Hail Hydra" just seem to...fit...somehow...

Yes, yes they do!

I'm intentionally going for a sinister cartoon-evil vibe. May as well let the lefties continue to eat their own spew. Needless to say, Hydra membership is anything but exclusive from VFM, or the dictates of the Supreme Dark Lord.

Blogger automatthew September 16, 2015 6:05 PM  

Dr. Heckle and Mr. Hydra Publishing

Anonymous WaterBoy September 16, 2015 6:30 PM  

Pigs In The Hydrangeas

Seriously, though...if you intend to pursue this, you might want to choose something other than the full Hydra motif to sidestep potential copyright/trademark infringement issues. And definitely shouldn't work in the "Hail Hydra", if you do.

Especially since you'd be going up against Disney -- you know how picky they can be on IP issues. They'd try to shut you down faster than you can say "Steamboat Willy".

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