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Thursday, September 10, 2015

What is Sasquan hiding?

And who is Sasquan protecting? Despite numerous requests, Glenn Glazer of Sasquan continues to refuse to release the anonymized NOMINATION ballots (not the final vote ballots, get it straight because you look like a complete moron when you can't correctly distinguish between the two), because he claims, falsely, that protecting the privacy of Sasquan's members is the paramount concern of the organization.

Glenn Glazer may well be an SJW, because SJWs always lie and he is most certainly lying.

Glazer is not lying about the ability to correctly figure out who the occasional individual is, as there are no doubt more than a few pathetic nobodies whose nominations for themselves stand out. For example, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if one could figure out which of the nominating ballots belonged to Patrick Nielsen Hayden... assuming there weren't 40 more just like it. Of course, one can only reach a logical conclusion about a nominator's identity, one cannot actually prove that one's surmise is correct without Sasquan confirming it.

But Glazer is blatantly lying about the fact that Worldcon gives a damn about privacy. Consider this post from Making Light in April:
#9 ::: beth meacham ::: April 06, 2015, 12:49 PM:
Laurie Mann posted on facebook that neither John C. Wright nor Theo Beale have Sasquan memberships of any sort. I am not sure what to make of that.
Laurie Mann is the Programming division head for Sasquan. Her breach of privacy wasn't just a one-time thing either, as there is this Facebook post from June:
David Gerrold, June 3

As long as we're still talking about the sad puppies and the rabid puppies, there is one question that has not yet been asked.

Will Larry Correia and Brad Torgersen be attending the Hugo award ceremony? Will Vox Day and John C. Wright be attending the ceremony? What about the other nominees and the various puppy supporters?

I have been told that none of the major architects of the slates have attending memberships. So the answer is no, they will not be there.

(Some of the slated nominees will likely be there, but that's not the question I'm asking.)

And that causes me to wonder --

Some of the puppy supporters have said this whole thing is about reclaiming "the real science fiction" from those who have hijacked it into the realm of literary merit. (Something like that.)

Okay -- but if we take that at face value -- then why aren't the leaders of the movement coming to the award ceremony to cheer for their nominees? If this is really that important, why aren't they coming to the party?

Not attending the celebration makes it look like this was never about winning the awards as much as it was about disrupting them.
In other words, Sasquan was freely divulging information - incorrectly, as it happened - about the very members whose privacy they now claim prevents them from releasing the anonymized data. It is very clear that, like Animal Farm, the privacy of some members is considerably more important than others. And their inconsistency isn't conclusive proof of anything yet, nor do we know exactly what he is trying to hide or who he is trying to protect, it does suggest that Mr. Glazer is attempting to conceal the evidence of the Tor Books nominating bloc vote whose activities have been readily apparent since at least 2008.

Since I am informed that a number of polite requests from various Sasquan members have been stymied, I think it is now time to get a little more serious about finding out what Mr. Glazer appears to be so belatedly determined to hide from the public eye. If you were a Sad Puppy or Rabid Puppy nominator or voter who is interested in seeing Sasquan release the data, email me with your a) Loncon membership number or your b) Sasquan membership number to verify yourself and we will plan our strategy accordingly. Put SASQUAN in the subject.

And if Mr. Glazer continues to refuse to release the promised data under a false claim of privacy concerns, that will simply provide us with even more ammunition for the media, who are already interested in the increasing appearance of corruption in science fiction. I haven't contacted them yet, but if Mr. Glazer continues to try to bury the evidence - of what, I repeat, we do not know - I will do so soon.

UPDATE: This Sasquan coverup may be considerably more serious than even the most confirmed cynic could have imagined. It appears someone may be resorting to hitherto unprecedented measures to prevent the data from being released. From File 770:
Bobbie DuFault, co-chair of Sasquan, the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention, passed away from unknown causes this morning, September 14. Glenn Glazer of the committee asks, “Please respect the families’ wishes to not be contacted at this time.”
There is that name again too. Glenn Glazer. (Raises eyebrows.) NB: If you are a science fiction SJW, please feel free to commence feigning shock and outrage now.

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136 Comments:

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 8:10 AM  

just to be clear... the people running Sasquan are not the same people who were running LonCon?

is that true?

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 10, 2015 8:12 AM  

Done.

Blogger VD September 10, 2015 8:13 AM  

Yes, for the most part. There are a few SMOFs like Kevin Standlee that appear to be involved with more than one Worldcon committee.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 10, 2015 8:18 AM  

Laurie Mann is the Programming division head for Sasquan

Here's how she describes herself: I'm Laurie Mann a feminist geek.

Now, I know what you're thinking:

"No, Steve! Don't do it!"

And I say unto you:
Yes.

Blogger epobirs September 10, 2015 8:20 AM  

There is a limited number of genuinely competent people when it comes to running cons that aren't big businesses like ComiCon. So, regardless of the geography, the same names turn up a lot .This is one of the reasons for the term SMOF.

I was at one WorldCon in the 80s that completely fell apart early on. Fortunately, nearly the entire Southern California SMOF contingent was on hand to pick up the pieces.

OpenID crash September 10, 2015 8:26 AM  

Never thought they would run a real election. The hoped for victory was to catch them rigging one.

Anonymous KC9ZNR September 10, 2015 8:31 AM  

Steve @4, you should plug all your photos into Google's Deep Dream algorithm and make a video. Now that would be something to inspire nightmares.

Blogger Shimshon September 10, 2015 8:34 AM  

@4 Steve

No wonder why she's called Laurie MANN.

You wield the IMG SRC like a...well...like a Ninja.

Blogger Jack Ward September 10, 2015 8:40 AM  

Done!

Blogger Alexander September 10, 2015 8:41 AM  

You know,

The VFMs may be The Evil Lord's shock troops, but I think that there is actually a secret special division consisting of just the Steves.

Blogger Alexander September 10, 2015 8:41 AM  

Also, done!

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 10, 2015 8:42 AM  

KC9ZNR, Shimshon - I find your attitude towards science fiction's SJWWTFBBW's disturbing.

Blogger Updated + LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! September 10, 2015 8:46 AM  

Excellent continued documentation. Another wait and see as this needless deception is unwise.

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2015 8:49 AM  

Oh, dear God, it has reproduced:

http://dpsinfo.com/images/family/mann/110529.leslie.jpg

Anonymous Zippy September 10, 2015 8:50 AM  

I think we should be respectful of the poor woman who passed away. Nor do I think that the Toad of Tor or the SMOFS or CHORFS had her killed to silence her. People die, and it is a sadness.

I do think we should continue to pressure Glazer and call him out for his failure to release the nominations.

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 8:50 AM  

"And I say unto you:
Yes."

rrrrrr-ribbit

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 10, 2015 8:53 AM  

I want to know how she managed to die 4 days in the future?

Blogger BunE22 September 10, 2015 8:55 AM  

Wait, what? She died in 2013, what does that have to do with WorldCon 2015?

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 8:57 AM  

"Wait, what? She died in 2013, what does that have to do with WorldCon 2015?"

its a joke dude.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 10, 2015 8:58 AM  

Alexander - the first rule of the Evil Legion of Stevil is that we don't talk about the Evil Legion of Stevil.

The second rule is that Eddie Murphy's "Party All The Time" is our national anthem.

Kfg - Wayne's World! Wayne's World! Party Time! Excellent!

Nate - that is cruel.

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 8:59 AM  

Ya know what we need... is a whole post of nothing but pictures of these freaks. Few things could be more damning than simply letting the world see exactly what these people are.

Blogger VD September 10, 2015 9:00 AM  

I think we should be respectful of the poor woman who passed away. Nor do I think that the Toad of Tor or the SMOFS or CHORFS had her killed to silence her.

Yes, that seems likely. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

Wait, what? She died in 2013, what does that have to do with WorldCon 2015?

Presumably someone thought she might talk about the Cabal That Must Not Be Named.

Anonymous John V. Marsch September 10, 2015 9:01 AM  

Or one year, 11 months and 26 days in the past. That report is from 14th September 2013.

Anonymous Zippy September 10, 2015 9:02 AM  

Oops.

OK, joke was kind of tasteless, but obviously a joke. I hadn't noticed date! So you got me, Vox.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 10, 2015 9:03 AM  

"He does it better"

-- Prince Faisal, Lawrence of Arabia

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 10, 2015 9:04 AM  

@23

Yes, thanks, John. I find humor more ... humorous, if the straight man actually delivers his lines straight.

Blogger pdwalker September 10, 2015 9:04 AM  

Clearly, seeing the raw nominations would show interestering voting patterns that some groups would find embarassing.

Or perhaps it would reveal outright fraud?

Now imagine if you could identify which votes were sad/rabid puppy votes (it wouldn't be hard) and analyzed the data from that perspective? What interesting things it would show.

Blogger Jalor Mann September 10, 2015 9:05 AM  

I have to get rid of Mann in my moniker. In no way do I want any association with that..
that Beast!

Blogger VD September 10, 2015 9:07 AM  

OK, joke was kind of tasteless, but obviously a joke.

If you can't handle jokes about dead SJWs, you REALLY don't want to be around here when Rape Rape kicks off from his inevitable heart attack. Or when McRapey is found dead hanging from a door handle with his pants down.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2015 9:12 AM  

OK, joke was kind of tasteless, but obviously a joke. I hadn't noticed date!

WHAT, TOO SOON?!

Anonymous Mike M. September 10, 2015 9:14 AM  

Audit the finances.

There are three possibilities here.

First, Tor or its employees could have bought the Hugos by brute force. Paid for ballots for their employees and all their families. I suspect this was going on in the Bad Old Days, when a bloc of 100 votes could decide the outcome.

Second, there was massive sock-puppetry going on. Individuals voting multiple times under different identities. With the number of votes cast, this is a distinct possibility this time.

Third was outright fraud. A financial audit will catch this.

SJWs always lie....clumsily.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 10, 2015 9:16 AM  

@17. ScuzzaMan
I want to know how she managed to die 4 days in the future?


Five fingered death punch

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 9:22 AM  

"OK, joke was kind of tasteless, but obviously a joke."

so... you're new here then?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 10, 2015 9:26 AM  

@31. Mike M.
This is about the nominations. I don't think there were those kind of shenanigans at that stage, it's how RPs managed to sweep several categories.

However, I think the actual voting will be subject to the same kind of cover up for reasons.

That they are making such a fuss covering up the nominations which can tell us very little is strange. Perhaps they are trying to set a precedent in case people want to audit the actual votes - there it's shenanigans all the way down (slate voting, sock-puppetry, vote buying) and that's just what we know about already. Who knows what else a legal audit might turn up?

Anonymous Statists are so dull September 10, 2015 9:28 AM  

But remember:

We da bad guys - ok?

Anonymous Earl September 10, 2015 9:32 AM  

She was born in the right body but died on the wrong date, so she's come out of the closet as transtemporal, and if she wants to die on some other date then you should respect her definition of truth and stop "deaddating" her with your beardy white cismale fundie faith based calendar. Oh and get the supreme court to allow transtemporalism on death certificates, because human rights. And inheritance laws.

Anonymous Ron September 10, 2015 9:35 AM  

Or when McRapey is found dead hanging from a door handle with his pants down.

McRapey Wrongskin starring as D'Angelo in SyFy's reboot of The Wire.

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 9:37 AM  

The only thing it could be covering up.. is the fact that there was another slate out there that no one knew about.

and lawdy lawd what a shit storm that will be when it comes out.

Blogger Student in Blue September 10, 2015 9:39 AM  

Ah, that's the secret. Just declare yourself transtemporal and that your inner self is really undying.

It'd be just like having a real soul for the SJW.

Anonymous Zippy September 10, 2015 9:39 AM  

Don't worry. If McRapey is found dead with his pants down, I will join general hilarity. Particularly if a trannie is involved.

Rape Rape's heart attack or stroke is likely . . .

McCreepy gets arrested, now THAT will be hilarious. I heard him talking on a YouTube video, and I wouldn't let him get within 100 miles of a rape victim or a child.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 10, 2015 9:48 AM  

"Don't worry. If McRapey is found dead with his pants down, ..."

If?

Pffft.

When.

Anonymous PLC September 10, 2015 9:57 AM  

The only thing it could be covering up.. is the fact that there was another slate out there that no one knew about.

Even if we don't get the nomination data, this will be evident when the cabal runs the EPH algorithm on the data. In particular, if 2 or 3 puppy nominees still make it through. That would be evidence of a stronger slate beating a weaker slate.

Anonymous The other robot September 10, 2015 9:59 AM  

They killed Kenny!

Blogger Alexander September 10, 2015 10:00 AM  

Please. Like Scalzi would ever be caught wearing pants.

... Or that his wife would ever lend him a pair.

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 10:01 AM  

"Even if we don't get the nomination data, this will be evident when the cabal runs the EPH algorithm on the data. In particular, if 2 or 3 puppy nominees still make it through. That would be evidence of a stronger slate beating a weaker slate.'

yeah but that will be hard to explain to most people. they simply won't get the math.

Anonymous The other robot September 10, 2015 10:11 AM  

I'm Laurie Mann a feminist geek.

If you have to self identify, then you misunderstand the term.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 10, 2015 10:15 AM  

Just finished reading Corriea's post on Dragoncon, two things struck me:

1) Worldcon is increasingly irrelevant. Seventy thousand attendees at Dragoncon. Seventy. Thousand.

2) Corriea describes the Worldcon cabal as "whiter than mayonnaise." I think we should occasionally refer to them as "people of mayonnaise complexion" and also, "out of touch old farts."

Blogger Brad Andrews September 10, 2015 10:16 AM  

I had European data privacy laws mentioned to me when I posted a comment. I don't buy the excuse, since I see no way anonymized data could be tracked to an individual in Europe, but that is at least a major concern for those handling data in Europe.

You can show nudity on TV, but you can't say a specific individual likes a specific product, for example in Europe.

Blogger luagha September 10, 2015 10:20 AM  

The mysterious death might be less a question of stabbing in the night than it is a question of stress triggering whatever she might have been about to die from. Knowing you have a big secret that could blow the doors off of a big controversy and being in the middle of arguments about releasing it and attempts at a cover-up?

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 10, 2015 10:24 AM  

@47 I read that too. Made me wonder what a snap poll of the worldcon attendees would have come up with for the Hugo awards?

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 10, 2015 10:25 AM  

Crap. Sorry, I meant to say DRAGONcon attendees.

I suspect the results would have been quite different.

Maybe something for VD to ponder as he plans his alternative awards?

Anonymous dh September 10, 2015 10:27 AM  

> I had European data privacy laws mentioned to me when I posted a comment. I don't buy the excuse, since I see no way anonymized data could be tracked to an individual in Europe, but that is at least a major concern for those handling data in Europe.

The point is: so what if it's not anonymous. These weren't votes, they were nominations.

OpenID vfm360 September 10, 2015 10:35 AM  

Give us an inch, we will take a mile.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 10, 2015 10:41 AM  

Not being a "Truefan", just some guy that liked to read science fiction and fantasy for as long as I can remember (pretty much as soon as I learned to read), I was unaware, until three years ago when the first Sad Puppies started, just how out of touch and provincial some of the people who use to control science fiction/fantasy publishing had become.

And absolutely conventional in their thinking.

If they ever had an idea pop into their heads that was not approved by the mavens of PC who indoctrinated them and was then reinforced by the insulated, down right incestuous, "intellectual" climate they live in it would die of loneliness.

Here's a thought for the SJW, whiter than mayo, lurkers, just cause Marx said something was SCIENCE! doesn't make it so.

Anonymous Bob Dobbs September 10, 2015 10:42 AM  

VD: is this update an intelligence test or just garden variety time travel?

Bobbie DuFault, co-chair of Sasquan, the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention, passed away from unknown causes this morning, September 14.

Clicked through to file770 and neatly observed that this particular September 14 occurred in 2013.

Anonymous Leonidas September 10, 2015 10:46 AM  

@47 Worldcon is increasingly irrelevant. Seventy thousand attendees at Dragoncon. Seventy. Thousand.

If anything, I think you're underestimating DragonCon, too. This was my 8th or 9th DragonCon this year (I've lost count), and many regular attendees are extremely convinced that the DC management has been under reporting attendance for about the last decade. In short... they're lying about numbers to keep the fire marshals from shutting the thing down due to the overcrowded conditions. We can't prove it, but my suspicion is that their actual numbers for the last ten years have been about 5-15% higher than reported.

On a side note... I also read Correia's report (and attended several of his panels, which were uniformly excellent) and he's absolutely right about two things. First, DragonCon is very representative of America. There's no lily-whiteness there. It's people of all kinds. Second, the general attitude of DragonCon (other than a handful of SJW entryists who generally get shut down by everyone else) is, "We don't care what kind of fandom you're in to. Come out and enjoy it, even if we don't. And show us the best of what you've got from your side of fandom, and maybe we'll decide that we like it, too."

I realized about 8 or 9 years ago that I don't actually like conventions. I like DragonCon. And that last part is the biggest reason why. There's so much stuff going on there that you really can't describe it, and despite its size it's still managed to maintain a distinctly southern feel, including the famous southern hospitality.

Fuck the Hugos. I think we should take Rape Rape's advice and we really should create the DragonCon SFF awards. The winners would be of a higher quality and much more varied - not in terms of minority authors or anything like that, but it would be FAR more representative of the huge, expansive nature of the differing fandoms.

Blogger Giraffe September 10, 2015 10:46 AM  

VD: is this update an intelligence test or just garden variety time travel?

Intelligence test. You fail.

Blogger terry's test blog September 10, 2015 10:52 AM  

BTW, Lit tracks are not the main fare at DragonCon. So the 70,000 happy faces are not all there for the written form of SFF. Still, there may be more Lit track attendees than at a typical WorldCon.

I only waited in line for one Jim Butcher event, but it *was* a Big, Humongous room full of Butcher fans.

And the ILoH was definitely a great draw.

(yabtw... Toni Weisskopf really doesn't seem to give a shit about the Hugo snub.)

Blogger Russell (106) September 10, 2015 10:54 AM  

*deadpans* Vox doesn't understand satire.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 10, 2015 11:04 AM  

@55: it's a loop.

Blogger VD September 10, 2015 11:05 AM  

Clicked through to file770 and neatly observed that this particular September 14 occurred in 2013.

Wait, you mean to say Riker turned down his own ship?

Anonymous Jack Amok September 10, 2015 11:06 AM  

"Don't worry. If McRapey is found dead with his pants down, ..."

If?


File 770 hasn't reported it yet, so we should have at least another 23+ months to go.

Anonymous Leonidas September 10, 2015 11:06 AM  

BTW, Lit tracks are not the main fare at DragonCon. So the 70,000 happy faces are not all there for the written form of SFF. Still, there may be more Lit track attendees than at a typical WorldCon.

I actually think that would make the awards better and more varied. Make them not just literary awards, but genre awards covering all of SFF. 50 years ago SFF was literary SFF because it wasn't feasible to make it any other way. Today half of the interesting stuff in SFF is happening in TV, movies, or web series. Include them.

I only waited in line for one Jim Butcher event, but it *was* a Big, Humongous room full of Butcher fans.

I missed Butcher this year, unfortunately. His panels are always worth it, though, and he's one of the bigger draws (not on par with the big TV/movie stars, though).

(yabtw... Toni Weisskopf really doesn't seem to give a shit about the Hugo snub.)

I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Toni for the first time this year - not just sitting on a panel, but actually talking to her afterward. She's an amazing woman with a fantastic attitude and the way she's been treated by the Puppy Kickers is an absolute disgrace. After meeting her, I literally wanted to go round up a few of the worst who have dumped on her and start knocking heads together. She's that kind of lady.

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 11:06 AM  

The claim is that because the UK noms were handled by a UK org, they are running into UK law.

When asked to isolate the data and release the rest for now, I was told that wouldn't satisfy the demand.

I guess because not satisfying the demand at all is in better faith than satisfying a majority of the demand?

Anonymous Jack Amok September 10, 2015 11:08 AM  

Wait, you mean to say Riker turned down his own ship?

Trek does over-use the whole time-travel gimmick.

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 11:11 AM  

And McRapey's suicide by hanging is totally unfair. There is no way he could lift that much weight onto a chair.

Anonymous GreyS September 10, 2015 11:25 AM  

"haha made you cheat"

Blogger Josh September 10, 2015 11:46 AM  

There is no way he could lift that much weight onto a chair.

Maybe he'll get his daughter to help...

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2015 11:50 AM  

@Daniel:

While I have to admit I gave a chortle at that one (although perhaps his daughter would be happy to provide assistance), I must point out that the key phrase was "door handle."

Blogger Gaisereiks Gaisericus September 10, 2015 11:54 AM  

Today half of the interesting stuff in SFF is happening in TV, movies, or web series. Include them.

Video games is probably more than half of the SFF produced these days.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 10, 2015 11:58 AM  

I must point out that the key phrase was "door handle."

Daniel is just too innocent.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 10, 2015 12:00 PM  

Video games is probably more than half of the SFF produced these days.

Certainly far more than half the SF/F purchased these days. Especially if you include tie-in novels. Heck, video-game tie-in novels make up a huge chunk of book sales.

Anonymous Leonidas September 10, 2015 12:10 PM  

Video games is probably more than half of the SFF produced these days.

Absolutely, and I shouldn't have left that off. Going back to my original point, DragonCon encompasses all of these branches of SFF in a way that WorldCon evidently doesn't. I think any award platform it offered would benefit from this, not suffer. Of course, since I'm not actually a part of the managing body of DragonCon, this is all just talk.

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 12:13 PM  

Kfg, contrary to popular belief, Mcrapey is not a 6'2" Marine. He is fact very short. Fortunately, a child could bench press him to the door handle, and considering how many pedos the SFWA is harboring, this would be the far more likely scenario.

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 12:22 PM  

That is obvious parody, by the way. I did not literally say "John Scalzi is a rapist" after all. Not like John Scalzi did.

On international radio.

To a rapist.

Alleged and charged.

Blogger Student in Blue September 10, 2015 12:23 PM  

He is fact very short. Fortunately, a child could bench press him to the door handle

The point was, door handle *and* pants down.
The joke isn't about how short he is. :)

(So innocent, Daniel... never lose that)

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 12:35 PM  

I am intimately familiar with autoerotic asphyxiation. You still have to have the strength to pull your tiny self up to the door handle and fasten the belt, which is why exercise bands are the SJW-recommended choice for the height challenged.

I learned this in a safe space.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 10, 2015 12:44 PM  

Dragon Con Awards, keep it simple

Best...
Film
TV Series
Book
Comic
Video Game
Traditional game
Website

Don't need all that "bestest super fan" shite, if you're giving awards to fans it's because your so called "professionals" are actually rank amateurs (or grooming).

Blogger eharmonica September 10, 2015 12:45 PM  

The membership list is public:

http://sasquan.org/member-list/

Anonymous Lucius September 10, 2015 12:46 PM  

Or they're trolling you, waiting for you to go all Geraldo Riviera outside Capone' Vault.

Do SJWs have even that much foresight? Anyone lurking here knows how keen RPs are to crunch the numbers. If the shoe were on the other foot, denying them the opportunity and watching the complaints would be top kek. Then again, I don't suppose they have the cruelty artist chops for something like that.

Blogger Nate September 10, 2015 12:48 PM  

"Wait, you mean to say Riker turned down his own ship?"

God dammit!

Blogger Ron September 10, 2015 12:48 PM  

No grooming allowed. That would be sexual harassment and not permitted in safe spaces.

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2015 12:54 PM  

" Fortunately, a child could bench press him to the door handle . . ."

Fortunately his daughter would still by counted as a child by most, so he has that base covered, but have you seen the way he fills out an Empire waist?

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2015 12:55 PM  

P.S., as it is a monogram kfg is acceptable, KFG is correct, but Kfg is right out.

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2015 1:01 PM  

@Nate: "God dammit!"

What, you didn't know? Jeezum Crow, dude.

Blogger Student in Blue September 10, 2015 1:07 PM  

I learned this in a safe space.

Pleasure via self-harming learned in a safe space. There's a dark irony in that.

(Apologies though, Daniel. Genuinely thought you were missing it.)

Anonymous BGS September 10, 2015 1:10 PM  

Bobbie DuFault, co-chair of Sasquan, the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention, passed away from unknown causes this morning, September 14. Glenn Glazer of the committee asks, “Please respect the families’ wishes to not be contacted at this time.”

Even the Clintons didn't kill the guy that ran HilLIARy's private server yet.

People die, and it is a sadness.

One woman called off so many holidays she was supposted to work I joked that everytime people decorated their lawns the 4 horsemen headed to Alison's house.

you REALLY don't want to be around here when Rape Rape kicks off from his inevitable heart attack

If you where a dead body found in a Nevada brothel would it really be rape my love

17. ScuzzaMan I want to know how she managed to die 4 days in the future?

That open bag of poisoned Doritos was supposed to be for GRRM, her rascal scooter must have had a better charge.

VD: is this update an intelligence test or just garden variety time travel?that this particular September 14 occurred in 2013.

The family needs to grieve for an entire year by not leaving their house.

(So innocent, Daniel... never lose that) even I didn't get that on the first pass, I thought a rope was around the door handle.

Blogger Russell (106) September 10, 2015 1:17 PM  

@17 ScuzzaMan "I want to know how she managed to die 4 days in the future?"

The time wars have begun. Strike now retroactively in the future before they will have had done it later.

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 1:19 PM  

No apologies. I half-glossed over a good gag-jacking joke en route to a lame strength joke. It was uncivilized at the very least.

A dead half-naked Scalzi joke should have been left unmolested, certainly by a half-savage like me, out of respect - if nothing else - for its dignity.

Hmm. That's sort of a metaphor for leaving Sasquan's corrupted ballots alone I guess. And that's one to grow on...

Blogger Josh September 10, 2015 1:20 PM  

The time wars have begun. Strike now retroactively in the future before they will have had done it later.

We are told that queers dig time lords...

Blogger Student in Blue September 10, 2015 1:28 PM  

Hmm. That's sort of a metaphor for leaving Sasquan's corrupted ballots alone I guess. And that's one to grow on...

Continuing the metaphor, sometimes you just have to grab life by the ballots.

And I guess that's also related to growing things.

Blogger P.T. Barnumium September 10, 2015 1:48 PM  

I always feel the world suffers from a depressing dearth of asphixiwank jokes

Blogger Were-Puppy September 10, 2015 1:57 PM  

Just because the one lady died a couple years ago doesn't mean she didn't vote early and often for Hugo 2015.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 10, 2015 2:01 PM  

Kinda hard to get caught with your pants down if you're wearing a dress :P

Blogger Josh September 10, 2015 2:06 PM  

Kinda hard to get caught with your pants down if you're wearing a dress :P

What if the pants identify as a dress?

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2015 2:07 PM  

@Were-Puppy:

Spanx.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 10, 2015 2:12 PM  

Know who else digs Time Lords?

Anonymous Achilles September 10, 2015 2:14 PM  

I emailed Sasquan the following: "As a paying, voting member I would like you to please release the nomination data as in previous years. Thank you."

Glenn Glazer's response? "Your membership does not grant you either more or less privilege with respect to requesting the data release. The rights of membership are stated in Section 1.5 of the WSFS Constitution, see here: http://www.wsfs.org/bm/const-2014.html ."

Cathy Mullican replied later stating it was about, " including the need to comply with European data privacy laws."

I find their excuses thin. I find Glenn condescending and repugnant.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 10, 2015 2:19 PM  

@88 Russell (106)
@17 ScuzzaMan "I want to know how she managed to die 4 days in the future?"

The time wars have begun. Strike now retroactively in the future before they will have had done it later.
-----

If Dangling Chad had gone back into the past to have the lady die of "mysterious causes", then his place should be searched immediately for the yellow suit.

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 2:43 PM  

So wait...members of a member organization have no more right to call for org transparency than non-members?

Ask to retain your voting privileges for next year AND a refund of your dues. What a preposterous lie.

The European law thing is a dodge, too. The noms from Europe are no more difficult to anonymize than the ones from Tor.

I mean from the U.S.

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 2:46 PM  

Josh...transpants?

Maybe that is what Sasquan was referring to and we just thought they meant "transparency."

Although I think it is very clear in retrospect that MZB and Walter Breen were model trans-parents.

Anonymous WaterBoy September 10, 2015 3:05 PM  

Vox: "Glazer is not lying about the ability to correctly figure out who the occasional individual is, as there are no doubt more than a few pathetic nobodies whose nominations for themselves stand out."

Again, anonymizing the nominations is also easily done -- see the earlier recommendation here.

The singletons and other low-count nominations will be indistinguishable from each other -- preserving anonymity -- and the existence of slates in certain categories will still be discernible.

If both the names and the nominations are anonymized, this would surely satisfy the Eurolaws whilst preserving the usefulness of the data.

Anonymous GreyS September 10, 2015 3:19 PM  

--- Wait, you mean to say Riker turned down his own ship?

--- I mean from the U.S.


[chuckle] Ah, life's simple pleasures. Whenever VD and Daniel amuse themselves throughout a thread it makes for fun reading.

Blogger Danby September 10, 2015 3:19 PM  

@Achilles
The correct response is
"Without the ability to audit your results, how can the membership trust the results? The decisions made by the committee have already shown a bias against a large portion of the membership. By refusing to release the nomination ballots, as required by the vote at the business meeting, you are not only failing in your duties, but also reinforcing the suspicion that there is funny business going on in the Hugo voting process."
Or something like that. The European Law excuse is clearly a dodge.

It needs to be pointed out that after they disqualified JC Wright, we no longer trust them to be either fair or impartial.

Anonymous WaterBoy September 10, 2015 3:19 PM  

Hmm...spammed? Try this again, without the embedded link...

Vox: "Glazer is not lying about the ability to correctly figure out who the occasional individual is, as there are no doubt more than a few pathetic nobodies whose nominations for themselves stand out."

Again, there is a way to anonymize the nominations as well -- see the recommendation from the earlier thread here: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/09/sasquan-tries-to-hide-scandal.html#c8114421758509504067

The singletons and other low-count nominations will be sufficiently anonymized to protect the identities of their nominators, and the existence of any slates will still be discernible.

Surely this will satisfy the Eurolaws whilst still preserving the usability of the data?

Anonymous Nathan September 10, 2015 3:23 PM  

Did the EPH committee get voting data? Y/N?
If EPH committee did get voting data, was it anonymized?
If EPH committee got anonymized voting data, it must be made available to everyone.
If EPH committee got non-anonymized voting data, why were members notified that identifying information was released without consent?
If EPH committee got non-anonymized voting data, heads must roll.

Blogger Salt September 10, 2015 3:53 PM  

Cathy Mullican replied later stating it was about, " including the need to comply with European data privacy laws."

European data privacy laws? Just whose laws govern here?

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 10, 2015 4:29 PM  

@4
Laurie Mann is the Programming division head for Sasquan
Here's how she describes herself: I'm Laurie Mann a feminist geek.
Now, I know what you're thinking:
"No, Steve! Don't do it!"
And I say unto you:
Yes.


If you took a normal human face, and inflated it with butter, that is the result you'd get. I was tempted to start calling her the Mannatee, but it would be insulting and unfair to Wendell.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 10, 2015 4:34 PM  

@95

Kinda hard to get caught with your pants down if you're wearing a dress :P

What if the pants identify as a dress?


Good to know pxrsons are starting to challenge the endemic garmentist bigotry that permeates our culture. However, I believe Xr. Scalzi has stated xer dresses identity as combat-weathered marine uniforms.

Anonymous Achilles September 10, 2015 4:44 PM  

@104 I just told him being a paying member did entitle me to join the inevitable class action lawsuit.

Blogger VD September 10, 2015 5:27 PM  

The membership list is public

That is not the complete membership list. You have the ability to opt-out when you sign up.

Anonymous Coach September 10, 2015 5:41 PM  

LOL, not quite a xanatos gambit. What is it called when you set yourself up to appear to win to a small group by doing nothing that effects the situation at all.

Irene Gallo redux

Blogger Were-Puppy September 10, 2015 6:41 PM  

I call that Trolling.

Blogger eharmonica September 10, 2015 6:48 PM  

Sasquan is not required to release the nominating ballots. The vote at the BM was non-binding.

http://sasquan.org/business-meeting/agenda/#data

How a Sasquan admin was able to identify a specific voter by a specific ballot is beyond me.

Blogger eharmonica September 10, 2015 7:17 PM  

@111

What I'm getting at is that the posts you reference can easily be explained by them pointing to the public record. Yes, I looked. At that time, Brad wasn't there, Larry wasn't there. Didn't check JCW. They are there now.

Why the GoH is posting on FB about who should attend and why is baffling. I kinda liked his jacket, to be honest. The shoes, not so much. Honestly, wear nice shoes.

Anonymous WaterBoy September 10, 2015 7:22 PM  

eharmonica @114: "How a Sasquan admin was able to identify a specific voter by a specific ballot is beyond me."

Through information available via an external source. For example, if a person posted on their blog/Facebook/whatever that they nominated "If You Were A Chicken Pot Pie, My Love" for best short story, and that work only appeared on one single ballot, it would be possible to determine all of that person's other nominations from the same ballot.

Granted this is a simplistic example, but the principle is extensible.

Blogger VD September 10, 2015 7:24 PM  

Sasquan is not required to release the nominating ballots. The vote at the BM was non-binding.

They publicly agreed to do it. Now they are refusing to do it. So they clearly cannot be trusted and their words cannot be believed.

Especially since Glazer is lying. Sasquan doesn't give a damn about privacy, much less UK privacy laws.

Blogger VD September 10, 2015 7:26 PM  

What I'm getting at is that the posts you reference can easily be explained by them pointing to the public record.

They cannot be. What part of "opt-out" did you not understand? The Sasquan official did not simply point to the list, she made a categorical statement that went beyond that and included information not available to the public.

Blogger eharmonica September 10, 2015 7:52 PM  

@116 I understand what you are saying, but that still does not identify a specific person. While a ballot may point towards a specific person, that information does not identify that person for certain. Frinstance, maybe that person lied online.

Whaaat?

The data exposes their friends as liars. That's their concern

Blogger Daniel September 10, 2015 8:01 PM  

They have no excuse. If they did, they wouldn't be bothering with these explanations and vague promises to honor their pledge whenever uk law allows or whatever.

They are toast if they can't produce the simple data.

Anonymous WaterBoy September 10, 2015 8:12 PM  

eharmonica @119: "While a ballot may point towards a specific person, that information does not identify that person for certain."

This is all true, for most of us. However, the admin would have been able to verify his conclusion with the actual unanonimized data, which is what you asked.

"I think ballot 1234 was cast by WXYZ. Let me check....yep!"

The general public could at best make very educated guesses...but the correctly identified targets might be inclined to yell, "Foul!" at the ones they get right.

Anonymous Mrs. Wif September 10, 2015 8:16 PM  

I opted out on sign-up for sasquan membership and they still put my name in the public list. Apparently somewhere along the way you now have to take additional steps to have privacy, that opt-out is apparently also "non-binding".

Blogger eharmonica September 10, 2015 8:25 PM  

Waterboy: I think we are in violent agreement.

Blogger eharmonica September 10, 2015 8:46 PM  

VD:

I provided a link to the actual information on this.
Again: http://sasquan.org/business-meeting/agenda/#data

The resolution is non-binding. Sasquan need not release ANYTHING further. "But they said they would!" If that's your argument, you lose.

You make reference to a post on Making Light about someone else's FB post.

#9 ::: beth meacham ::: April 06, 2015, 12:49 PM:
Laurie Mann posted on facebook that neither John C. Wright nor Theo Beale have Sasquan memberships of any sort. I am not sure what to make of that.

Hardly concrete stuff. Someone's interpretation of an FB post is thin gruel.

I think the nonsense that Sasquan is throwing up about anonymizing the data is a bunch of BS, I'm guessing that they have friends who will be "hurt".

Still, they are not required to release that data.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 10, 2015 8:57 PM  

@124
Not being technically required to do something is a thin, thin shield made of bullshit. Nobody is going to care, and nobody should care.
Good to get the fact straight, though, I suppose.

Blogger jon spencer September 10, 2015 10:22 PM  

A couple of if's.
If there was voting irregularities, if those irregularities were condoned by people with connections to TOR.
Would that be a civil or criminal case?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 September 11, 2015 12:42 AM  

@126. jon spencer

A couple of if's.
If there was voting irregularities, if those irregularities were condoned by people with connections to TOR.
Would that be a civil or criminal case?


Did you drop $40 for a Sasquan/Worldcon supporting membership? Did you then invest your time and consideration to vote on the nominated works? Then you, as a Member of the class or Party to the tort, have been defrauded, of $40 plus time & trouble, as well as mental stress and strain. Punitive damages and court costs figure in as well. On a related note, one which assists in establishing the preponderance of evidence required to prevail in a US civil suit-

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/08/stick-to-rape-rape-fat-boy.html#comment-72
When we look to the origin for the idea of the 2015 Asterisk Award, this purpose becomes all too clear. On April 14th, Gerrold said:

"This year -- this stuff, this little turd in the punch bowl -- the community will survive it. Whatever happens, the Hugo will survive. With an asterisk, perhaps. (Maybe we'll hand out official asterisks with the trophies this year.) But the one thing that is growing more and more likely ... the architects of this squabble will have indelibly damaged themselves in the eyes of the SF community."

(https://archive.is/H719F)

The Asterisks were meant, from the beginning, as a stain on the Hugos. They ARE a stain on the Hugos. They will ALWAYS be a stain on the Hugos.

But more importantly, setting aside all the stupid acrimony, the Asterisks also invalidated each and every nominee. They did so without anyone, even once, alleging that the World Science Fiction Society's Constitution, or the Hugo Award rules governed by it, had been breached.

My vote, and the vote of everyone in this record-setting year of Hugo votes, was invalidated. Because, no matter who we voted for, they were ALL awarded an Asterisk.

Sasquan, you've refused me a very simple request: a refund and a copy of my struck ballot. I mean to have my refund. And everyone who voted in your farce, your insult to a venerable institution, the one that even now you're denying in writing ever happened at all, deserves their money back as well.


Naturally, for both civil and criminal actions in US law, it would be necessary and appropriate to subpoena duces tecum the entire electronic record of the nominating and voting for the 2015 Hugo* Awards*.

Blogger rycamor September 11, 2015 2:17 AM  

@97. Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 10, 2015 2:12 PM

Know who else digs Time Lords?


What's really disturbing is that Delany looks is the most normal-looking person in that picture.

Blogger rycamor September 11, 2015 2:19 AM  

@111. VD September 10, 2015 5:27 PM

The membership list is public

That is not the complete membership list. You have the ability to opt-out when you sign up.


Interesting... I see names of people I know, completely unrelated to the Ilk. And now I have the delicious pleasure of guessing how they voted and teasing that information out of them most innocently before bringing the hammer down.

Blogger VD September 11, 2015 4:43 AM  

The resolution is non-binding. Sasquan need not release ANYTHING further. "But they said they would!" If that's your argument, you lose.

Lose where? In court? Obviously. That's not the point. They have completely blown their credibility. They're completely full of shit and now everyone knows it.

The only question is: who are they protecting?

Blogger VD September 11, 2015 4:44 AM  

The data exposes their friends as liars. That's their concern

I concur. But which friends?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 September 11, 2015 4:55 AM  

@130. VD

The resolution is non-binding. Sasquan need not release ANYTHING further. "But they said they would!" If that's your argument, you lose.

Lose where? In court? Obviously.


Not obvious to me, nor is it even necessary to go to court in order to win in court. Sun Tsu said much the same. For example, a putative class action requires contacting all 11,400 Members (say) of the designated class. They need to be made aware of the issues at stake. Any party to the action is fair game for deposition. Etc.

Anonymous Nxx September 11, 2015 9:22 AM  

Lose where? In court? Obviously.

It depends on the lawsuit's objectives. Discovery could be used to forcibly prize the voting data out of their clutches.

Anonymous Jim Milo September 11, 2015 3:18 PM  

@98 Glenn should try 'check your privilege' in a deposition or an FBI interview and see what happens.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) September 11, 2015 3:46 PM  

@Leonidas

Utterly agree on Toni - fantastic, fantastic lady.

My one meeting with her was at a book signing in Atlanta with John Ringo, followed by dinner for the group at the nearest Crab Shack.

The only reason she doesn't stand out more in that whole event was her being overshadowed by Ringo and Hank Reihnhardt.

Only met him once, and through his book on swrods. I'll miss Hank.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy September 13, 2015 9:53 AM  

@122: I opted out on sign-up for sasquan membership and they still put my name in the public list. Apparently somewhere along the way you now have to take additional steps to have privacy, that opt-out is apparently also "non-binding".

That's very interesting. They published my name in the membership list too, even though I thought I had opted out of being publicly listed. I wasn't sure enough of which option I had chosen to say this before, but if I'm not the only one they outed….

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