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Thursday, October 08, 2015

A Return to Things Past

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Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 8:08 AM  

Now if that image could also convey that the horde were something like, say, 70-80% young adult men it'd be perfect.

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 8:17 AM  

I'm sorry Vox, but while I've never bought into most of the stuff your critics say about you, this gets dangerously close to suggesting that Naziism happened for a good reason.

Blogger Sun Xhu October 08, 2015 8:24 AM  

@2 It definitely happened for a reason. The good or bad of it is something that each individual needs to answer for themselves.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 08, 2015 8:27 AM  

As Vox has said numerous times - predictions aren't endorsements.

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 8:29 AM  

@3 I'm not disputing the fact that it happened for *a* reason. It happened for *lots* of reasons. Much the same way as the Russian Revolution happened for lots of reasons.

But let me rephrase: this comes dangerously close to suggesting that Naziism *was an understandable response to anything*.

If all that Vox is saying is that Merkel's actions are opening cracks into which the remaining NeoNazis can rebuild their following, then fair enough; that sounds like a justifiable response to me. The continuous fraud of global warming is opening the door to all kinds of pseudo-scientific nonsense; politics is even less rigorous than politicized science.

But strong border controls and strict immigration policies, regardless of the reason for adopting them, are not akin to Naziism in and of themselves. Which is why I question the armband; unless the point of the cartoon was to tie anti-immigration sentiment to Naziism.

Blogger LonestarWhacko October 08, 2015 8:30 AM  

That's what most folks don't understand. Germany was in a horrible mess. However, this onslaught is worse. Pegida will have its hands full.

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 8:31 AM  

I suppose I would have had less of a knee-jerk response to this cartoon if Vox had put any of his customary commentary up there with it. But he posted it without comment, and that was where my mind went.

Blogger YIH October 08, 2015 8:32 AM  

@2 WhiteKnight:
this gets dangerously close to suggesting that Naziism happened for a good reason.
Weimar culture
Jewish embrace of republicanism was not solely out of social-economic motives, but also because they saw it as a chance for iconoclasm against Christian religion and traditional German culture. Emily D. Bilski of the Jewish Museum of New York has argued in her book Berlin Metropolis: Jew and the New Culture 1890–1918 (University of California Press 1999) that Jews were pre-eminent and overrepresented among the iconoclasts (p. 21) and were fiercely anti-nationalist (p. 82). A good example is Magnus Hirschfeld, who unsuccessfully advocated ‘sexual freedom’ from 1897, until the foundation of the Weimar Republic gave him the opportunity for the establishment of the Institute for Sexual Science in 1919, promoting all kind of abhorrent sexual behaviour and pornography. It was one of the first institutions to be disbanded in March 1933 when the National Socialists came to power.

Richard Evans points out in his book The Coming of the Third Reich (Penguin 2004) that mainstream parties such as the Catholic Centre Party identified Jewish culture with socialism, liberalism and modernism (p. 30). Donald L. Niewyk gives some interesting numbers in his book The Jews in Weimar Germany (Transaction Publishers 2001): around 1919 Jews made up to 99% of the Socialist student group in the University of Frankfurt-am-Main and more than half of the Social Democratic students in Berlin (p. 30). In his recent book Weimar: A Cultural History (Transactions Publishers 2011) Walter Laqueur underlines the importance of Jewish influence during the Weimar Republic: “Without the Jews there would have been no ‘Weimar culture’— to this extent the claims of the antisemites, who detested that culture, were justified. They were in the forefront of every new daring, revolutionary movement. They were prominent among Expressionist poets, among the novelists of the 1920s, among the theatrical producers and, for a while, among the leading figures of the cinema. They owned the leading liberal newspapers such as the Berliner Tageblatt, the Vossische Zeitung and the Frankfurter Zeitung, and many editors were Jews too. Many leading liberal and avant-garde publishing houses were in Jewish hands (…). Many leading theatre critics were Jews, and they dominated light entertainment.” (p. 73)

Gee, ya' think?

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 8:36 AM  

@8 I was rather under the impression that there was nothing particularly Christian about Naziism, or so most defenders of Christianity tell me; rather, they attacked Christianity as much as they could get away with. So if German Jews were anti-Christian iconoclasts, how could the Nazis have been a response to that?

Blogger Markku October 08, 2015 8:39 AM  

how could the Nazis have been a response to that?

Because they didn't realize at the time what Hitler REALLY thought. The progress from being a Christian warrior to trying to subvert Christianity with "Positive Christianity". The Aryan Paragraph was a major line to cross, at which point the faithful churches realized what's happening.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 08, 2015 8:40 AM  

@ White Knight/s comment about dangerous comments about Nazism.

Robert Sepehr in his book 1666, Redemption Through Sin, writes:

"German hostility and resentment towards organized Jewry and Freemasonry was not based on Aryan superiority, it was a reaction to a covert Masonic conspiracy" pg 54.

Or read Barry Chamish, Israeli, who Sepehr quotes, in his book Shabtai Tsvi, Labor Zionism and the Holocaust who singles out Labor Zionism as Sabbatean/Frankist Jews who wanted to wipe out the religious Jews and recreate a "New Jewry". In a talk on YouTube, Chamish just excoriates Labor Zionism as promoters of the Holocaust.

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 8:43 AM  

Tell me if this is a fair summary: 'the Jews were generally viewed as outsiders, and did absolutely nothing to quell that perception; as such, political actors were able to tap into pre-existing anti-Semitism in Germany so as to gain power".

If that's what you are saying, then I can accept that. I'm not disputing that marginalized groups often don't do anything to help their situation (a fair number of Americans could stand to learn this lesson). Especially in a culture less accepting of social liberty than the US has generally been (gay and feminist activists in Iran come to mind).

But this kind of topic can get into really, really dangerous territory really, really fast. I'm starting to understand a little better why so many people treat topics like this as a minefield; there really is a possibility of stepping into a 'blaming the victim' mentality here.

Blogger Markku October 08, 2015 8:47 AM  

And Vox posted it without comment because Vox commissioned it. If he felt like it should be explained further, the explanation would be in the cartoon.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 08, 2015 8:48 AM  

"I will tear down your fences and set the barbarians upon your gardens and livestock!"

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 8:49 AM  

And of course, migrants aren't helping their case by reacting to continental caution with resentment, insults and rioting. If anything, they are doing the racist's job for them, better than the racists could ever do.

During the American Civil Rights Movement, most activists went out of their way to conduct their demonstrations in their Sunday best and stressed nonviolence, specifically to counter racist propaganda depicting blacks as uncivilized animals who had to be controlled. It was a good strategy, especially after it got media attention. Had blacks been rioting instead, it could have easily pushed the public's response the other way.

Which is what the Islamic migrants seem to be doing. Instead of 'we really are good people who actually want to become German/French/Italitan etc. and be good neighbors', they are coming across as 'how DARE you not give us whatever we want!'

OpenID karsten0 October 08, 2015 8:58 AM  

"White Knight" (oh so appropriately named) = transparent Judeo concern troll, policing for any whiff of authentic, dangerous (to his tribe's interests) pro-nationalist sentiment.

Don't be his cuck.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 08, 2015 9:00 AM  

If that's what you are saying, then I can accept that.

Thank goodness, WhiteKnight (really?) can accept it. Everyone breathe easy, it's okay.

The sword being carried in the shadow of the baby is brilliant.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 08, 2015 9:03 AM  

@12 "as such, political actors were able to tap into pre-existing anti-Semitism in Germany so as to gain power" ... "there really is a possibility of stepping into a 'blaming the victim' mentality here."

Or, *trigger warning* the perpetually non-integrating Jews provoked anti-Semitism because they continued to act as outsiders trying to subvert and control their host culture through capturing institutions, undermining social norms, and fomenting socialist revolution? (Sound familiar? Bernie Sanders, anyone? Son Polish immigrant Jews.

Perhaps there's a reason there was 'pre-existing anti-Semitism'? If you go to someone's house, kick his dog, insult his wife, and piss on the potted plants it's not 'victim blaming' when he flattens you. Many Jews were anti-Germanic and wore out their welcome (for like the 100th time in history). Same as is happening today with the secular left Jews in the US. It can and probably will happen here as well. If you don't embrace and adopt your host culture don't expect them to treat you like family.

Blogger Gaiseric ! October 08, 2015 9:04 AM  

But let me rephrase: this comes dangerously close to suggesting that Naziism *was an understandable response to anything*.

It was an understandable response. Don't buy into the Jewish propaganda that just because Hitler specifically targeted the Jews he's some order of magnitude more evil than any other evil dictator. If we absolutely had to partner with one evil dictator to take out the other one—a highly dubious prospect to begin with—we probably should have backed Hitler against Stalin. Would have saved millions more lives, and the resulting Cold War with the Fourth Reich would have been a much better environment than the one that we actually had with the Soviet Union.

Of course, we shouldn't have partnered with either of them. But as much as we pat ourselves on the back for having destroyed Germany and ended Hitler's reign, we also have to live with the fact that we turned the Soviet Union into a genocidal superpower and gave legitimacy to Stalin, which had the domino effect of giving legitimacy to Mao.

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 9:06 AM  

@16 Actually I picked my name years ago after playing 'Lunar 2: Eternal Blue', and 'WhiteKnightLeo' was taken when I registered with Google.

"My name is Hiro! And this is Ruby! Identify yourself!"
"Certainly, I am White Knight Leo."

I don't remember the rest of the dialogue, but I always loved how the voice actor made it sound. You can probably find the sequence on Youtube if you want.

And I'm not Jewish, and to my knowledge no one in my family is. I think my brother-in-law's mother might be, but he and my sister don't celebrate Hanukah with their kids, so he's not religious. My father was raised Catholic, and my mother Lutheran. I'm an atheist, and my pick for President is Ted Cruz.

I side with Jews most of the time because I don't like seeing an otherwise successful minority penalized and demonized for being different.

It's one thing when the minorities in question are the violent ones, but my understanding of history has it that there was effectively no organized Jewish violence from the conquest of Judea by Rome until the founding of the modern state of Israel. So more than 1500 years without any significant violence by Jewish groups. Hence me generally siding with them.

Blogger WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 9:09 AM  

@19 And it's not like Stalin was really any nicer to the Jews, in any case. I can agree with what you are saying; in flat terms of lives lost, Hitler was less bad than Stalin, especially considering that fascism wasn't an evangelistic faith the way that Communism was.

I'm pretty sure that most of the hate for Hitler was the fact that Naziism was racist, and the current zeitgeist is that racism is a worse sin than mass murder. How anyone comes to that conclusion, I'm not sure, but it's the only way I can think of to accept it.

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Blogger Cail Corishev October 08, 2015 9:09 AM  

I side with Jews most of the time because I don't like seeing an otherwise successful minority penalized and demonized for being different.

That's not why it happens.

Blogger YIH October 08, 2015 9:12 AM  

Well Markku, you have three things going for you:
It's cold and boring, and the 'refugees' don't like the food.
What you should do is feed them lots of Surströmming.

Blogger White Knight Leo October 08, 2015 9:13 AM  

@22 I didn't know that. Thanks, changed.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 9:17 AM  

It's time to bring it back. I'm with you.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 9:18 AM  

"Ich bin wieder da!"

Blogger White Knight Leo October 08, 2015 9:19 AM  

@23 No, in the modern world it usually happens because the anti-Semites in question are Muslim or are sympathetic to Islam.

My understanding is that *Christian* anti-Semitism was often the result of Jews being the only people who could legally engage in moneylending (because the Bible prohibits usury amongst Christians), and so lots of people tended to end up in debt to them (and since a lot of medieval-era courts would side with Christians over Jews, they tended to have a lot of 'not nice' ways of collecting on those debts).

Of course, debtors usually come to resent creditors, because they quickly lose the mental connection between the fact that they borrowed money and the fact that they owed money (Greeks and the EU banks, anyone?). The creditors are not always or even usually innocent - lots of times they do push borrowing onto people who really don't understand it - but neither are the debtors, and debtors usually outnumber creditors by large margins.

Blogger The Other Robot October 08, 2015 9:23 AM  

My understanding is that *Christian* anti-Semitism was often the result of Jews being the only people who could legally engage in moneylending (because the Bible prohibits usury amongst Christians), and so lots of people tended to end up in debt to them (and since a lot of medieval-era courts would side with Christians over Jews, they tended to have a lot of 'not nice' ways of collecting on those debts).

So, how do you explain the tax farmers of Poland? Were those debts that the peasants owed the nobles too?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 08, 2015 9:25 AM  

@White Knight, Christian animus towards Jews is that they are constantly proselytizing and undermining Christianity, they are natural Gnostics, and they have no understanding of European Civilization and attempt to destroy it. They have always been caustic. Their ideology of Messianism is what is behind Freemasonry and International Socialism.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 08, 2015 9:26 AM  

White Knight Leo,

If you honestly want to know why Jews always seem to be "singled out," read their own historical books in the Old Testament. They're not exactly shy about it.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:29 AM  

@29 Not familiar with Polish history, sorry.

Once again, I'm not suggesting that the Jewish creditors hadn't done anything wrong, just as I don't think that the banks hadn't done anything wrong in the years leading up to 2008.

I'm saying that I think there would have been a lot less anti-Semitism if moneylending had been legal for Christians, just as I think the banks wouldn't have done what they did if the federal government hadn't been pushing them for political reasons.

But if I understand the concept of 'tax farming' correctly, I would imagine that anyone who got that job would quickly end up being hated.

Blogger FrankNorman October 08, 2015 9:32 AM  

20. WhiteKnight October 08, 2015 9:06 AM

It's one thing when the minorities in question are the violent ones, but my understanding of history has it that there was effectively no organized Jewish violence from the conquest of Judea by Rome until the founding of the modern state of Israel. So more than 1500 years without any significant violence by Jewish groups. Hence me generally siding with them.


Then your understanding of history has left a few things out.
The Jewish rebellions in the Roman Empire, to start with. Why do you think Jerusalem got destroyed in 70 AD?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:34 AM  

@30 @31

I'm going to call that an excuse and not a real reason. Christians don't dislike Muslims primarily for denying that Jesus was the son of God, and Muslims don't dislike Christians primarily for saying that Allah had a son, either. *Theologians* on either side might have those reasons, but for the average person those aren't reasons to actually get viscerally angry at other people. There needs to be a concrete connection to those people in order to generate a reflexively angry response. Believing that Jesus died because the Jewish community in a Roman territory wanted him dead doesn't make you want to murder your Jewish neighbor.

Debt and poverty do a much better job of explaining it than religious differences do. It's the reason why many American blacks despise Hindi Indians, Jews and Chinese people; they are usually the ones operating stores in black neighborhoods, and charge more than other stores do because of their higher costs, and blacks often interpret this as anti-black racism.

Blogger Gaiseric ! October 08, 2015 9:35 AM  

Not familiar with Polish history, sorry.

You're also clearly not familiar with any other sort of history. Maybe you should stop trying to lecture everyone here on history then.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:35 AM  

@33 I must assume you ignored the fact that I started the counter at the conquest of Judea. I did that for a reason: that was the last organized violence by Jews that I'm aware of on record until the 1940s.

Blogger Booch Paradise October 08, 2015 9:36 AM  

White Knight Leo, it's also that Jewish prejudice against Christians came first. It's hard to like someone who strongly and persistently dislikes you.

Blogger FrankNorman October 08, 2015 9:37 AM  

Meanwhile, why are you all discussing Jews when the problem right now is Muslims?
And the liberal idiots giving them a free run.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:38 AM  

@37 I have no doubt that there's plenty of sin to go around on all sides. But it's not like there's been a time in the last 1500 years that Christians didn't outnumber the Jews many times over.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:39 AM  

@38 Indeed, Muslims are the problem. And which religion was it that Hitler admired, again? What part of the world is translations of 'Mein Kampf' consistently on the best-seller list?

Blogger FrankNorman October 08, 2015 9:40 AM  

36. White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:35 AM

@33 I must assume you ignored the fact that I started the counter at the conquest of Judea. I did that for a reason: that was the last organized violence by Jews that I'm aware of on record until the 1940s.


There was lots more, down through history. Does the name "Bar-Kochbar" ring any bells?

Blogger FrankNorman October 08, 2015 9:41 AM  


40. White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:39 AM

@38 Indeed, Muslims are the problem. And which religion was it that Hitler admired, again? What part of the world is translations of 'Mein Kampf' consistently on the best-seller list?

Yup. Now try to get a liberal to understand that.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:42 AM  

@41 Once again, Roman era. No, I hadn't heard of that one specifically. So let me rephrase and start the counter at 'the fall of Rome'.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 9:43 AM  

"Meanwhile, why are you all discussing Jews when the problem right now is Muslims?"

The problem is clearly both.

When the mosques burn, the synagogues will not be spared.

We put ourselves first.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:43 AM  

@42 My point is that bringing back Naziism (even if it weren't an inherently destructive and irrational political philosophy) would hardly stem the inflow of Islam.

Blogger VD October 08, 2015 9:44 AM  

I'm sorry Vox, but while I've never bought into most of the stuff your critics say about you, this gets dangerously close to suggesting that Naziism happened for a good reason.

Almost everything happens for a reason. I think it would be absolutely and epically stupid to suggest, hint, or imply that National Socialism was good for either the Jews or the Germans.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 9:46 AM  

The rose of Hitler was a reaction to the triumph of the Bolsheviks.

Blogger Gaiseric October 08, 2015 9:46 AM  

@45: That's a stupid point. Or do you suppose that this cartoon means "literal" Nazism transplanted completely unchanged from 1940 with no concessions to current events? Is that what you're arguing about?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 9:46 AM  

*rise

(Freudian slip)

Blogger Daniel October 08, 2015 9:51 AM  

Returning to Nazism is not portrayed as hopeful or inspiring WhiteKnight, but as a natural and undesireable reaction.

Do you not know how to read a cartoon?

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 9:51 AM  

@28. White Knight Leo

I don't think anyone is trying to suggest that the Nazi's were good and noble. But let's remember that they didn't get elected by promising to start WWII and gas 11-12 million people, half of them Jews.

They were elected by promising to 'Make Germany Great Again'.

Jews aren't special. Any minority that comes to be viewed, right or wrong, as a threat to the host culture eventually suffers. Perhaps not on the industrial scale that the Jews were subjected to, but suffer none the less.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 08, 2015 9:52 AM  

So let me rephrase and start the counter at 'the fall of Rome'.

Why? Why do you get to set the window where it makes the group you're trying to protect from criticism look the best?

Meanwhile, why are you all discussing Jews when the problem right now is Muslims?

Nice reframe. We weren't discussing Jews until you brought up the "Uh oh, it seems like you're saying bad things about Jews, don't you want to back away from that?" angle.

If you study the history of Christendom and/or Old Testament times, you'll see that it's not that easy to separate the Jews from problems that seem to occur with unusual frequency in their vicinity. This Muslim invasion (like the last one) is just one example of that.

Blogger The Other Robot October 08, 2015 9:53 AM  

I'm pretty sure that most of the hate for Hitler was the fact that Naziism was racist, and the current zeitgeist is that racism is a worse sin than mass murder.

I think he is too short for this ride ...

On a side note, it seems that Christianity is against usury and so is Islam. Perhaps there is a reason for that.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 9:55 AM  

@46 My apologies, Vox, I think I wasn't specific enough when I said 'good reason'. I think I get what you were driving at with the cartoon - that Merkel is inadvertently opening the door for people who want to bring that armband back into fashion - and I withdraw my criticism.

I... I just wish you had made it a little more obvious. Sometimes your posts are just a little too easy to misunderstand. I do get that the hate you get from critics who misinterpret what you say doesn't bother you - you'd hardly be as active in GamerGate and the Rabid Puppies if it did - but I think at that a lot of people who already agree with you are kept away by the - I don't want to say 'vagueness', but it's all I've got - of your posts.

Wow, that sounds like concern trolling. That's really close to 'I like everything but your tone'. And now it occurs to me that if you started being as specific as I'd like you to be, that wouldn't change a thing as far as your critics are concerned, because your actual beliefs don't matter to them, and they'll misinterpret them anyway.

And now I'm thinking of how you described moderate conservatives, and how they end up expending most of their ammunition against their own side. Hmm...

Okay, I take the rest of it back, too.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 9:56 AM  

I don't think anyone is trying to suggest that the Nazi's were good and noble.

I think some posters here are: karsten, grinder, LBF, maybe Wheeler.

Blogger The Other Robot October 08, 2015 9:58 AM  

They were elected by promising to 'Make Germany Great Again'.

Uh oh. Someone does not like Donald Trump.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 9:58 AM  

They were elected by promising to 'Make Germany Great Again'.


Hehehe

OpenID Steve October 08, 2015 9:59 AM  

@2 critics say about you, this gets dangerously close to suggesting that Naziism happened for a good reason.

Puffs marched with skinheads in the EDL rally after Lee Rigby was beheaded in London in broad daylight. You know the "not sees" fought communists right?

unless the point of the cartoon was to tie anti-immigration sentiment to Naziism.

The left is tying not wanting little white girls raped by turd worlders to "not sees". If being angry that cops and social workers deliberately did "not see" 1700+ little white girls gang raped by turd worlders in Rotherham UK, makes you a "knot sea" that is the only thing you can be. If the only choices are "not see" and "knot sea" people will chose the one that doesn't have little white girls being gang raped by turd worlders. If you are going to be called a knot sea anyway you might as well earn/enjoy it.

Tell me if this is a fair summary The jews owned all the news outlets, negotiated on both sides of the treaty of Vienna, and made up over 90% of communists along with other groups drying to destroy the native culture. Moslems now are demanding Germans give up Beer/pork/music for Oktoberfest, just wait until the Christmas markets.

@20 my sister don't celebrate Hanukah with their kids, so he's not religious...I'm an atheist

We understand there is a difference between religious jews and godless bacon eating queer jews. Ben Shapiro did a you tube video on the topic, but I have dated the latter. http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/03/22/ben-shapiro-why-do-jews-vote-leftist/

Of course, debtors usually come to resent creditors, because they quickly understand what a bad deal 500%+APR interest is when someone walks them through the math & explains the fine print.
-BigGaySteve

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 9:59 AM  

I think he is too short for this ride ...

Even the brightest men can have emotional knee-jerks programmed into them. It's a common human failing we cannot completely escape, but only be vigilant about.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 08, 2015 10:00 AM  

WKL, there is one reason why Jews are "persecuted" :

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

They rejected the New Covenant and called a curse down upon their own heads.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:00 AM  

@56 I don't. But that's mostly because he wants single-payer healthcare, and he thinks that Kelo v New London was a good thing.

His tax policy I'm on board with 100%, and I like what he's been doing even if I don't want him to be President. I'll even forgive him for endorsing Hillary in 2008 if he succeeds in moving the GOP to the right.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 10:01 AM  

@White Knight, Christian animus towards Jews is that they are constantly proselytizing and undermining Christianity, they are natural Gnostics, and they have no understanding of European Civilization and attempt to destroy it. They have always been caustic. Their ideology of Messianism is what is behind Freemasonry and International Socialism.

American Christians, particularly Evangelical Christians, as a group don't have any animus towards Jews.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 10:03 AM  

@55. Josh

Yeah, but I couldn't remember who our local NSDAP members were. It's difficult to keep track of who is a Hitler lover and who just thinks the 'protocols' is a real thing.

Blogger The Other Robot October 08, 2015 10:04 AM  

they didn't get elected by promising to start WWII and gas 11-12 million people

I'm confused about that. How many per day and over what period? How much energy did it require to incinerate the remains and wouldn't they have found the labor useful in their war effort?

If they managed to dispose of 1,000 per day, that is 11,000+ days (those extra thousand days are only another three years, but never mind.) Maybe it was 10,000 per day.

It's all so confusing.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:04 AM  

@58 I'll rephrase that second one: if the cartoon was intended to imply that 'the establishment' is trying to tie anti-immigration sentiment to Naziism.

Which is true; they are doing exactly that, especially in Germany. And from what I understand, the NeoNazis have enthusiastically embraced the idea. Which takes a bad situation and makes it worse.


And yes, I've seen my brother in law eat bacon. I don't see his parents much. But most of my family is religious; I'm something of an anomaly.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 10:06 AM  

"Returning to Nazism is not portrayed as hopeful or inspiring WhiteKnight, but as a natural and undesireable reaction."

Yes. Vox keeps pointing this out.

The ultimate responsibility for the coming bloodshed will not be with Ultras. Identitarians, and Nationalists, but with the liberals, jews, muslims, and others who have advocated for and facilitated the invasion and Occupation of Europe.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 10:09 AM  

It is our duty to shut these people down.

Time to get the scum out.

It's our job.

Blogger frigger611 October 08, 2015 10:10 AM  

Even Karl Marx (himself descended from Jewry) felt the need to publish in 1844 "On the Jewish Question" because, apparently, the Jews had long agitated for emancipation in Prussia (and likely other Euro nations) which would have equated to special treatment for their tribe and rejection of the mores and traditions of the parent Christian society.
The publication was a response to an already existing social phenomenon, not an anti-Semitic screed born in a vacuum.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:11 AM  

@53

As far as usury is concerned, the cure is worse than the disease. Like guns, moneylending is something that we need to have an industrial civilization. It can - like guns - have unpleasant side effects, and bad actors can - like guns - misuse it. But - like guns - we need it.

Understand that I'm going no further than this. I'm defending *nothing* about the current banking system. I just think that banks and moneylenders aren't an inherently negative thing.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 10:13 AM  

It is our duty to shut these people down.

Time to get the scum out.

It's our job.


LAX to multiple German cities for $600

Blogger Danby October 08, 2015 10:13 AM  

I'm pretty sure that most of the hate for Hitler was the fact that Naziism was racist, and the current zeitgeist is that racism is a worse sin than mass murder. How anyone comes to that conclusion, I'm not sure, but it's the only way I can think of to accept it.

Most of the hate for Hitler is that he became the official ENEMY. That's all. Hating the ENEMY is required in order to destroy him. The reacism of the Nazi regime, so far as was known in the US or England, was a minor detail. After the war, knowledge of the death camps provided another reason to hate the ENEMY, but that was kinda ex post facto.

My point is that bringing back Naziism (even if it weren't an inherently destructive and irrational political philosophy) would hardly stem the inflow of Islam.

You really are stupid, aren't you Leo? Think Naziism as in rounding up and killing outsiders on an industrial scale, not Naziism as anti-judaism.

Merkel is inadvertently opening the door for people who want to bring that armband back into fashion
It's entirely predictable.
I do think it's funny that your response is essentially feminine; "Stupid person gives opening to bad person" rather than "bad person's stupidity is making an extreme response necessary."
You think like a girl.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 08, 2015 10:15 AM  

God, I love watching you guys bitchsmack White Knight Asshole. Keep the broadsides up!

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 10:16 AM  

@65. White Knight Leo #0368

The cartoon is suggesting that the likely response to an invasion of Germany by Moslems is going to ultimately be extreme.

Just because the reaction is itself very evil, does not mean that it is not natural and understandable.

Also, I rather like Donald Trump. But I am cautious about him. The US is starting to bear some resemblance to Weimar Germany, and The Donald could be our 'Man on the White Horse'.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:17 AM  

@71

1) I meant why Hitler gets more hate than Stalin.


2) If that armband comes back into fashion, people are going to start looking at the source material again. And that's going to end up with people remembering that *Hitler liked Islam*.


3) Actually, my response is 'bad AND stupid person gives opening to worse AND dumber person'. My reaction to the migrants themselves would be to kick them out and lock the door, with the specific policy being 'if you can't behave like civilized people, you aren't welcome in our house'.

Blogger Daniel October 08, 2015 10:17 AM  

Overclarifying and preapologizing for humor is an SJW wish.

Nuts to that.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 08, 2015 10:17 AM  

@38 FrankNorman
Meanwhile, why are you all discussing Jews when the problem right now is Muslims?
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Exactly. There is an image full of islamic savagery and this guy picks a swastika out of it to get all bent out of shape over. It's the cartoon equivalent of skimming til offended.

Blogger Pascal Despatie October 08, 2015 10:18 AM  

Agreed.

The designs of the chambers are also quite confusing. Especially coming from the world-renowned German engineers.

All very confusing.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 10:18 AM  

Also, I rather like Donald Trump. But I am cautious about him. The US is starting to bear some resemblance to Weimar Germany, and The Donald could be our 'Man on the White Horse'.

Trump does share some similarities with the strong man fascist movements of the 20th century.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:20 AM  

@73 Yeah, I got that. It hit me right in a kneejerk spot, but I got it. Naziism is the extreme in Germany; had it been a cartoon about America, it would have been either a white hood or a black beret.

Blogger Danby October 08, 2015 10:20 AM  

@Josh
American Christians, particularly Evangelical Christians, as a group don't have any animus towards Jews.
Which is amusing, given how much Jews hate them.

@Leo
And yes, I've seen my brother in law eat bacon. I don't see his parents much. But most of my family is religious; I'm something of an anomaly.
Yeah, most of them are normal IQ.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 10:21 AM  

Yes yes, Trump is literally Hitler. We got it.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:22 AM  

@81 Lots of people said it about Bush, even though it was a better fit for Obama. Didn't stop them.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 10:24 AM  

Yes yes, Trump is literally Hitler. We got it.

No one has said that.

Can you imagine Hitler saying something like this?

“I have a Jewish daughter. This wasn’t in the plan, but I’m very glad it happened,” Trump said at the event, held in Manhattan. On Israel, he said, “We love Israel. We will fight for Israel 100 percent, 1,000 percent. It will be there forever.”

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:24 AM  

@83 People ARE saying that, just not here. They're wrong, but they are saying it.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 08, 2015 10:24 AM  

I love watching you guys bitchsmack

Is that what we're doing? I thought we were assuaging his heartfelt concerns.

Overclarifying and preapologizing for humor is an SJW wish.

Yep. Conservatives far too often open arguments with, "No offense, but...." or "Don't take this the wrong way, but...." Only problem is you weaken yourself so much that by the time you get to your point, no one's listening anymore.

I was thinking last night that Twitter has been good for our side, because it really forces you to be succinct and to lean more on rhetoric than dialectic. There's no room for disclaimers and pre-apologies. It sharpens us, and the sharpest stand out. SJWs, on the other hand, when restricted so much, are reduced to nothing but snark.

Maybe that's why I heard a rumor the other day that Twitter's thinking of expanding the 140-character limit -- the wrong side is winning with it.

Blogger Danby October 08, 2015 10:25 AM  

@Leo
1) I meant why Hitler gets more hate than Stalin.
Stalin was an ALLY. Hitler was the ENEMY.

2) If that armband comes back into fashion, people are going to start looking at the source material again. And that's going to end up with people remembering that *Hitler liked Islam*.
I'll type slowly. Nobody is bringing back armbands. The idea is that Europeans are entirely capable of resolving this problem through sustained, organized, systematic and industrialized murder, not that the NDSAP will start getting votes.
Lord you're dumb.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 10:26 AM  

@78. Josh

Exactly, and he wouldn't have to bother with getting the 'Enabling Act' passed. George II and the current occupant of the Cherry Blossom Throne (Peace be Upon Him) have already got that covered.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 08, 2015 10:26 AM  

@60 Chris Mallory
WKL, there is one reason why Jews are "persecuted" :

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

They rejected the New Covenant and called a curse down upon their own heads.
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Ah, now some things are beginning to make sense. Thanks for that post. They have apparently partaken in the most epic shoot self in foot of all time.

OpenID Steve October 08, 2015 10:26 AM  

I imagine if I was kicked out of 200+ bars it would start to dawn on my that perhaps the problem laid with me, but I have only been banned from one bar for bringing cops in after their "best customer" grandpa Moses roofied a friend and was groping him while unresponsive.

the reason why many American blacks despise Hindi Indians, Jews and Chinese people = Envy

Meanwhile, why are you all discussing Jews when the problem right now is Muslims?

Someone has been holding the door open for moslems. The cycle of history is elite looters destroy economies then buy up hard assets.

ziism (even if it weren't an inherently destructive and irrational political philosophy) would hardly stem the inflow of Islam

That's why we should elevate moslems above our own people but not like the jews want us to, but as Vlad Tepes did.

The designs of the chambers are also quite confusing. Perhaps will be settled science when they get warmed up for moslems.

who is a Hitler lover and who just thinks the 'protocols' is a real thing

I cite the Pim Fortuyn defense, I have pictures of me with godless bacon eating queer jewish ex boyfriends.
-BGS

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 08, 2015 10:27 AM  

@80

"Yeah, most of them are normal IQ."

Bam!

Also, don't you find it funny that a fucking atheist is getting all morally bent out of shape about NAZI's, Jews, and all that as though his world view can even support the existence of morality, let alone what specific moral values and duties and etc people should follow?

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 08, 2015 10:27 AM  

"So more than 1500 years without any significant violence by Jewish groups."

Right. I guess the October Revolution and it's aftermath of tens of millions slaughtered doesn't count?

Or the majority of the African slave trade where tens of millions died en route to the Americas?

How about the Jewish mafia that murdered far more people in the US than the Italian mafia families ever dreamed of?

Does it not count if they outsource the violence and blame it on others or is it only if they physically get their hands dirty with the blood of their victims?

It seems there is only one major ethnic group innocent of atrocities throughout modern history and always ALWAYS a victim no matter what.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 10:28 AM  

"LAX to multiple German cities for $600"

Yes, we're looking into it.

Yesterday I was corresponding with a German friend in Munich. The invaders are pouring in.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:30 AM  

@86

I, too, will type slowly (god, you're dumb).

1) Why Hitler gets more hate than Stalin NOW. Racism was not the end-all-be-all evil according to the zeitgeist *of the 1940s*, but it is NOW. And it's now that we are discussing.

2) Yes, I got that, but not from you.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 08, 2015 10:32 AM  

@66 Laguna Beach Fogey
"Returning to Nazism is not portrayed as hopeful or inspiring WhiteKnight, but as a natural and undesireable reaction."

Yes. Vox keeps pointing this out.

The ultimate responsibility for the coming bloodshed will not be with Ultras. Identitarians, and Nationalists, but with the liberals, jews, muslims, and others who have advocated for and facilitated the invasion and Occupation of Europe.
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This is the way that I have understood what Vox has been saying. It seems he is being blamed for endorsing things that he is seeing as a strong possibility of happening in the future.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 10:34 AM  

@Josh
No one has said that.

'I'm not saying he's literally Hitler... I'm just saying he's suspiciously fascist-like.'

Oh well that's completely different then.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:36 AM  

@91

Now I think you are trolling me. But MY point is that I have a lot less sympathy for an oppressed minority when they've been violent about it. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to American blacks, for example, if it wasn't for groups like the Panthers, the Nation of Islam, and BLM.

I have approximately zero sympathy for Palestinians, and Muslims generally, by extension, because they really, really like doing bad things to non-Muslims, usually unprovoked.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 10:40 AM  

@96. White Knight Leo #0368

But MY point is that I have a lot less sympathy for an oppressed minority when they've been violent about it.

Should you, though? And by that, I mean should it only be when they've been violent about it, or could, I dunno, inciting overthrow of the governing system also qualify?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:40 AM  

@95 Well, I don't think he's Hitler. I think he's got a lot of bad ideas, but he's got some good ones, and the very people who hate him most are the ones putting the fuel in his fire.

My specific impression of him is that he's a carnival barker. But he's got plenty of personal success behind him, unlike the failed artist with the toothbrush moustache.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 10:43 AM  

96. White Knight Leo #0368

I would suggest that any minority whether violent or not that attempts to undermine or forcibly change the host culture can be justifiably dealt with. Preferably by peaceful deportation.

Granted, sometimes a host culture deserves to be undermined, but that is another subject entirely.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 10:44 AM  

"This is the way that I have understood what Vox has been saying. It seems he is being blamed for endorsing things that he is seeing as a strong possibility of happening in the future. "

Yes. My understanding is that he is not endorsing or celebrating Nazis. He is simply pointing out that their return is inevitable given the actions of the present elite. It's this elite that is responsible for the impending war. The liberals, jews, and muslims have blood on their hands.

For my own part, while I readily confess to a certain bloodlust and would have no qualms about killing our adversaries, I view participating in the imminent conflict more as a duty, or a job. A grim job for hard men.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 08, 2015 10:44 AM  

@96 WKL
I'm trolling you by citing history and facts to directly dispute your contention that the Jews are some sort of innocent oppressed minority?

Okay, short bus.

You just continue wondering why bad things keep happening to those poor innocent non-integrating tribal Jews and why they keep getting kicked out of everywhere for the last millenium. It's a real fucking mystery.

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 10:44 AM  

@96 The Jews have been violent about it. They're just a standard deviation or two ahead of the usual chimp-out suspects so they make sure that the violence they are inevitable calling for either has a fig leaf of deniability, can be blamed on the goy's own counter-actions, or that its some other group actually throwing the punch.

But a shit-eating Shultz on the tv telling the goy to spread the hearts and legs to the thirdworlders, because white racism is as much a violent minority as Shinquavious looting a 7-11.

In fact, if we do a full body count and the capital costs: I wouldn't be surprised if we'd be better off tolerating a Shinquavious inner-city riot once a month than listening to those who like to play the 'I only count as white when I'm smugly denouncing whites.'

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:45 AM  

@97

I don't have any sympathy for even non-violent Communists, if that's what you mean. But Judaism is closer to being a race than it is to an ideology. I have *very* little sympathy for racist ideas.

Per Thomas Sowell, Chinese and Hindi expatriates in Southeast Asia have often held the same positions that Jews held in Europe (by this I mean finance and the learned professions), and were often subjected to violence by a resentful native population as well, hence my drawing a connection between anti-Semitism and *debt* rather than religious differences.



When we're talking about any form of representative government, though, I blame the voters, not the politicians.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 10:46 AM  

@98
I think he's got a lot of bad ideas, but he's got some good ones

The good ideas he seems to have taken from other people, people he's effectively hired who are smarter than him. It's a necessary business skill.

But mostly I'm addressing Josh who carries an intense dislike of Trump after a traumatic event in his childhood involving businessmen and silly hairstyles... I think.

Blogger Jim Milo October 08, 2015 10:46 AM  

@2 Let me guess: they glossed over the Bolshevik coup in your history classes too.

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 10:48 AM  

"Christian animus towards Jews is that they are constantly proselytizing and undermining Christianity"

Jews proselytizing Christians? Hardly.

"They rejected the New Covenant and called a curse down upon their own heads."

A couple hundred Jews? I don't think so. So, Peter, Paul, and the rest of the Jewish apostles are cursed and without hope as well? Damn.

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew (cf. Romans)

As I have said many times before, the misuse of our gifts and calling is the root of much of the anti-Semitism throughout history right up to the present day.

As for the cartoon in the OP, it didn't strike me as having much to do with the Jews at all, except may be to serve as a warning of what the future holds as things continue down this road. We are not just only chosen for blessing, but specially chosen for severe punishment when we fail to discharge our G-d-given duties and responsibilities.

As the cartoon indicates, these are days in which it is time to take stock, sober up and attend to the words of the Prophets as a light in a dark place. (cf. II Peter)

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 10:49 AM  

Trump's hairstyle is very '80s.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:51 AM  

@102

You do realize that Marxist anti-Western ideals are hardly the sole domain of Jews, right? Jews are culturally disposed to push their kids towards successful careers; hence a lot of them end up at the top of business organizations. That part is a good thing; Hindi and other Asian immigrants tend to do the same thing.

Rachel Maddow isn't a bad person because she's *Jewish*, she's a bad person because she's a *Marxist*. Big difference.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 10:52 AM  

Jews proselytizing Christians? Hardly.

Maybe by proselytizing he means spreading the gospel of bagels and reubens.

I could be wrong here, but isn't Judaism a non evangelistic faith?

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 10:54 AM  

"I could be wrong here, but isn't Judaism a non evangelistic faith?"

You are not wrong.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 10:54 AM  

@109 That was my understanding. I figured that was why they were always a small minority, everywhere they went.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 10:55 AM  

LOL'ing at chutzpah of Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein on tv imploring American Christians to send "food boxes" to help the poor, starving Jews in Israel.

You just can't make this stuff up.

Sadly, a lot of American Christians fall for this crap.

Blogger VD October 08, 2015 10:55 AM  

Wow, that sounds like concern trolling. That's really close to 'I like everything but your tone'. And now it occurs to me that if you started being as specific as I'd like you to be, that wouldn't change a thing as far as your critics are concerned, because your actual beliefs don't matter to them, and they'll misinterpret them anyway.

Bingo. The rhetorical attacks are going to come anyhow. It is useful to know what they will be ahead of time. That is one reason they don't upset me at all. I know what they will be.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 10:56 AM  

@108. White Knight Leo #0368

I agree, we have a few here who seem to forget that if not for Gentile Progressives, Jewish Progressives would get nowhere.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 10:57 AM  

@103
I have *very* little sympathy for racist ideas.

That's another bit of emotional programming you must excise. What *is* racism? Even labeling black people as better sprinters is racisss because understanding that there are generalizations somehow erases the presence of exceptions.

Much in that same way, the people who agitated for Communism back in the early 1900s... oh it's so racisss to point out that it was overwhelmingly Jewish.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 10:59 AM  

@109. Josh

I do love me some bagels and Rueben sandwiches.

Oy Vey!! I've been proselytized!

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 11:02 AM  

I should have held my tongue though. I helped devolve a topic back to You Know Whos. Yeck.

Blogger FALPhil October 08, 2015 11:03 AM  

@109
I could be wrong here, but isn't Judaism a non evangelistic faith?

Generally speaking, yes, except for rare instances and Messianic Judaism which I have seen to be quite evangelistic. Regardless, Judaism is a works-oriented faith as well as dispensational.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 08, 2015 11:04 AM  

Bagels and Reuben sandwiches are so not Paleo.

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 11:05 AM  

" . . . oh it's so racisss to point out that it was overwhelmingly Jewish."

Karl Marx was a nice Jewish boy . . unfortunately. The Scriptures are clear, the Jews will be prominent either for good or for ill, but they will be prominent and influential nonetheless.

We were also not chosen because we were lovable and compliant or large in number, for we were the smallest and most stiff-necked of people. If G-d can use the most recalcitrant and smallest of peoples to accomplish His purposes, perhaps there is hope for the rest of us poor and wretched sinners.

Even our national rejection of the Messiah has meant riches for the world. I long for the day of our acceptance, which will be nothing short of life from the dead.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:05 AM  

Much in that same way, the people who agitated for Communism back in the early 1900s... oh it's so racisss to point out that it was overwhelmingly Jewish.

In what countries?

In Russia in 1907 the Bolsheviks were 10% Jewish and the Mensheviks were 20%.

That's not overwhelming.

Blogger Ingemar October 08, 2015 11:06 AM  

I like the implication that industrial scale, organized murder is OK as long as it isn't Nazi.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:06 AM  

Oy Vey!! I've been proselytized!

Sacrilicious...

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:07 AM  

@115

I define racism the way that Ayn Rand did: the (irrational) belief that a man's moral worth is determined by his genetics rather than by the contents of his mind. Affirmative action is racist, for example, because it treats people differently solely on account of their race.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:09 AM  

Ayn Rand

FFS...

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 08, 2015 11:11 AM  

Ayn Rand = Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum = JEW!

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 11:11 AM  

"Generally speaking, yes, except for rare instances and Messianic Judaism which I have seen to be quite evangelistic."

Well Chabad, for example, is very *evangelistic* but they focus their attention exclusively on other Jews, not non-Jews. Orthodox Judaism tends to discourage conversions and proselytizing of non-Jews. A non-Jew has to be very persistent (to say the least) if they desire to convert.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:11 AM  

Ayn Rand = Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum = JEW!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:12 AM  

@125 I'm aware that she's not well-liked here. But I really don't care; I happen to be an admirer.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 08, 2015 11:12 AM  

Ayn Rand also = Ugly Yenta with f'ed up pyscho-sexual issues.

Blogger YIH October 08, 2015 11:13 AM  

@108. Whi(sky)te Knight Leo #0368:
Rachel Maddow isn't a bad person because she's *Jewish*, she's a bad person because she's a *Marxist*. Big difference.
Big difference? Oh, OK, sure, yeah.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:13 AM  

@126

Yes, yes, shrieking 'Jew!' really makes you sound like a rational person. Really, it does.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:15 AM  

Yes, yes, shrieking 'Jew!' really makes you sound like a rational person. Really, it does.

Calm down, dude, he's joking.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 08, 2015 11:15 AM  

@132

JEW! JEW! JEW!

KIKE! KIKE! KIKE!

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 08, 2015 11:16 AM  

@133

shhhhhh. you mess up me funz

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:16 AM  

@131 I'm sure Ho Chi Minh, Mao and Pol Pot, not to mention Castro, were all Jewish. Or Stalin, for that matter.

Yes, I'm well familiar with the fact that there were a lot of Jews involved in Communism. But Jews are and always have been a minority everywhere except Israel. Just as Obama wouldn't have gotten elected if it wasn't for white voters, neither would Jewish Communists have accomplished anything without Gentile Communists.

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:16 AM  

the (irrational) belief that a man's moral worth is determined by his genetics rather than by the contents of his mind

Then no problems then! I don't give a shit what the moral worth of an Arab is, or where that value comes from: I just don't want him here.

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:17 AM  

Also, there's that word again.

It's not 'irrational'. It might not be 'right', but it's not irrational.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:18 AM  

@133 Missed that. Vox himself may not be anti-Semitic, but there are a few too many commentators here who come across as anti-Semites for me to ever be sure who's a troll and who's serious.

I go to a lot of weird places on the Internet, and as Scott Ott of PJMedia said a while back, it's getting hard to tell what's parody anymore.

I've actually had people shriek that - Ayn Rand was a Jewess! - as though it was a meaningful argument at me before, so I didn't catch it.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 11:20 AM  

@Josh
In Russia in 1907 the Bolsheviks were 10% Jewish and the Mensheviks were 20%.

My mistake. I meant the leadership, both of Bolsheviks and the Socialist Labor Party of America.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:20 AM  

@137

If you don't want him here because he's *Arab*, then you are being irrational. Whereas if you don't want him here because he's *Muslim*, and you're not, then that's perfectly reasonable. The point is that the problem with the Muslim immigrants is *their beliefs*, not their skin color, language or favorite foods

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 11:20 AM  

"But Jews are and always have been a minority everywhere except Israel."

Minority is not the issue. Influence is.

@132

GOYIM! GOYIM! GOYIM!

UNCIRCUMCISED PHILISTINE! UNCIRCUMCISED PHILISTINE! UNCIRCUMCISED PHILISTINE!

Just when I thought I was lurking in a safe space.

Blogger CM October 08, 2015 11:23 AM  

Ok... how about we set aside whether the Jews did anything wrong or not or if Naziism was justified or not and look at it this way...

IF you hate Naziism (most liberals among others do), then WHY would you encourage a situation MAGNITUDES more troublesome than anything the Jews did?

What do you think is going to happen?

At least, that is what I got from the comic.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 11:25 AM  

At least, that is what I got from the comic.

It's what I got from it as well.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:26 AM  

If you don't want him here because he's *Arab*, then you are being irrational.

Why?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:26 AM  

@143 This, 100%.

I had this argument with a friend of mine who's a LGBT-etc defender, and she got real quiet when I asked her why all her friends wanted to elect people who would bring in more 3rd Worlders, who aren't all that accepting of LGBT-etc people.

It was like it hadn't occurred to her before, that Islamic nations really do hang gays from cranes and throw them off buildings.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 11:26 AM  

@132. Blogger White Knight Leo #0368

I think he may have been poking fun at 'protocol' believers.

Anyway more on topic, I wonder if France or Germany will be the first to take direct action against the 'Invaders'.

I would lean toward France just because the nationalists are well organized politically.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:26 AM  

Just when I thought I was lurking in a safe space.

Just don't go wandering near the ovens and showers and you'll be okay.

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 11:27 AM  

". . . .or if Naziism was justified or not and look at it this way..."

I don't think it's a question of justification, but simply recognizing the perfect storm which is clearly brewing, whose winds are about to reach our shores as well. The nations must be the poorest students of history ever. I just can't tell whether their *ignorance* is deliberate or not.

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 11:28 AM  

"Just don't go wandering near the ovens and showers and you'll be okay."

Thanks for the Pro-tip. You're a real mensch.

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:28 AM  

@141

No, I'm not.

Culture is a racial construct. The ideals, values, cultural norms, social cohesion etc. etc. etc. of an Anglo-Saxon cannot and will not be maintained by a culture of Anglo-Arabs.

Bringing Islam into it exacerbates it, but the fundamental problem already exists.

And at this point, I doubt very much the Swede or German care if the hoards are Sunni or Shi'ite or non-practicing or Druze or Christian refugees... they are not Swedes and they are not Germans and they will, by their very presence, destroy Germany and Sweden of any meaning beyond being geographical points of reference.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:29 AM  

@145 Because the fact that he's an Arab isn't what makes his presence a problem; it's the fact that he's probably Muslim. Christian Arabs presumably wouldn't offend you.

He can't change what he looks like, but he can change his beliefs and his behavior. Holding him responsible for something he can't change isn't fair, but doing so for his beliefs *is*.

Would a white immigrant from Germany offend you? What if you found out he was a Progressive? Same principle.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 08, 2015 11:30 AM  

Just when I thought I was lurking in a safe space.

group hugz needed for the feelz

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:31 AM  

French train hero just stabbed in California.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:31 AM  

@151

"Culture is a racial construct."

This is an ideological impasse between us that will never be crossed, because you must either be using an odd definition of culture or of race to get to this notion.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:31 AM  

Would a white immigrant from Germany offend you? What if you found out he was a Progressive? Same principle.

Look at how previous waves of German immigration impacted American culture and led to a loss of human freedom.

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:33 AM  

Ask the Irish if they'd be fine with waves of Anglo-Saxon immigrants, provided the immigrants were vetted and were Roman Catholic.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:34 AM  

Ask the Irish if they'd be fine with waves of Anglo-Saxon immigrants, provided the immigrants were vetted and were Roman Catholic.

They'd probably be too drunk to notice...

Blogger The Other Robot October 08, 2015 11:35 AM  

In Russia in 1907 the Bolsheviks were 10% Jewish and the Mensheviks were 20%.

So, that's like the proportion of Catholics on the activist court otherwise known as the SCOTUS?

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:35 AM  

@155

Show me a single culture that survived intact a demographic shift. Then tell me culture isn't dependent on the race whose culture it is.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:36 AM  

@156

German immigration to the US began in the 1840s, IIRC. I don't recall a "loss of human freedom" being the result of *that*. Didn't we abolish slavery only 25 years later?

But fine, how about an English immigrant? His beliefs are what matters, not his skin color or where he's from.

Bosch Fawstin is a great addition to the US and to American culture despite being Serbian (I think) and having been raised Muslim, whereas I'm pretty sure that Rachel Maddow was born and raised here (and if she wasn't, pick any random Progressive).

Blogger Sam Lively October 08, 2015 11:36 AM  

Vox & Ilk,

Any Breaking Bad fans here?

In addition to being a great show, it explores on a micro-scale a lot of themes Vox has been raising regarding diversity, feminism and their unintended consequences. Walter White (almost as subtle a name choice as Jesse Pinkman) is a cuckold, emasculated at work by a feminized school district and at home by his hulking wife and condescending brother-in-law, outsmarted by his Jewish former business partner and intimidated by Latino thugs. Underestimated, belittled and denied any constructive outlets for the masculine urges to conquer and build, he turns criminal mastermind and routes all his considerable energies into destruction, ending up linked to a neo-Nazi gang.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:37 AM  

@160

Excuse me, did I say I was defending unlimited immigration of people from the 3rd World? I was saying that their *race* isn't what makes them a problem, and that's all.

If German couples adopted a whole bunch of Iranian and North Korean infants and raised them in Germany, I would imagine the cultural impact would be 0.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 11:38 AM  

Christian Arabs presumably wouldn't offend you.

Christian Arabs probably don't act like other Christians, much like Christian blacks don't quite worship and act the same way Christian whites do.

Also not every Christian denomination acts the same but I am not touching that.

But the only reason Christian Arabs presumably wouldn't offend the average American... is because there's at least a connection via Christianity, which would (hopefully) smooth over the other differences.

Blogger The Other Robot October 08, 2015 11:39 AM  

the (irrational) belief that a man's moral worth is determined by his genetics rather than by the contents of his mind.

You seem hung up on one or two outstanding ones who someone said a rude, racist remark to some time, or who someone might say a racist remark to.

What happens when you get hundreds of thousands of (genetically) low-IQ invaders who simply do not empathize with the native population?

The magic of relocation does not make them productive citizens who can empathize with us.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:39 AM  

So, that's like the proportion of Catholics on the activist court otherwise known as the SCOTUS?

No, the percentage of Catholics is much higher. 66% > 10% and 66% > 20%.

Math is hard.

Blogger Sevron October 08, 2015 11:41 AM  

Leo, that's blank slatism. Don't be that guy.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:41 AM  

Any Breaking Bad fans here?

In addition to being a great show, it explores on a micro-scale a lot of themes Vox has been raising regarding diversity, feminism and their unintended consequences.


I'm a fan and at first glance agreed with the broad strokes of your analysis.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:42 AM  

@165

You seem determined to read into what I said a lot more than is actually there. I mentioned that I'm a big fan of Ayn Rand. Her perspective on tribals and aggressively primitive people might surprise you.

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:42 AM  

If German couples adopted a whole bunch of Iranian and North Korean infants and raised them in Germany, I would imagine the cultural impact would be 0.

White Knight went full cuck. Not at all surprised.

Do we really need to make a timeline of the waves of european immigration and the corresponding increases of power in the federal government?

Surely you concede that the culture of Mexico is not identical to the culture of England. Both being Christian nations does not make them identical. Cultural shifts are much, much more than theological differences.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 11:43 AM  

German immigration to the US began in the 1840s, IIRC. I don't recall a "loss of human freedom" being the result of *that*. Didn't we abolish slavery only 25 years later?

We also radically transformed the nature of federal government and destroyed a voluntary union of sovereign states.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:44 AM  

@167 I think blank slatism is closer to the truth than the notion that someone can be born Muslim or Communist.

Blogger CM October 08, 2015 11:44 AM  

WKL -

Our education system is based of Germanic education models. In fact, education was always central to Germany and was considered a state duty even by German christians (Lutherans).

Can you see how German culture has impacted American freedom?

Also, British are very different (at least used to be) as our form of government was built off of values held by British peoples dating as far back as the Crusades. Our culture is an extension of English Culture.

Blogger Sevron October 08, 2015 11:47 AM  

Leo

Then you're an idiot.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:47 AM  

@170

Do *I* need to remind *you* that 'waves of immigration' involved migrating *adults*? Adults, who had their beliefs and prejudices long-ingrained before they left their various homelands?

Yes, I agree that Mexico is not much like England despite both being Christian (although I'm pretty sure that Mexicans are more Catholic than the English are). And? Cultural habits are beliefs too, much like religions are.

Mexican kids aren't born with a hankering for tortillas or tequila.

Blogger YIH October 08, 2015 11:48 AM  

@142 Rabbi B:
Minority is not the issue. Influence is.
Bingo.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:49 AM  

@173

Yes, I'm familiar with the effect that adopting the Prussian school model had on our education system. Once again, the issue is *ideas*.

When the Meiji Emperor took back power in Japan, he sent a lot of people to Europe to learn what the West had to offer. The stuff he liked mostly came from Germany. I don't recall there being any significant population of German *people* in Japan.

Blogger CM October 08, 2015 11:49 AM  

the (irrational) belief that a man's moral worth is determined by his genetics rather than by the contents of his mind.

Why do you equate nationhood/separation with moral worth? Did God assign moral superiority to the nations when he separated the peoples at Babel? Seems to me the melting pot was deemed morally inferior to the separation of nations...

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:52 AM  

@173

Authoritarianism was not unknown to the English people, or else we would never have had to fight for our liberty (actually, America would never have been settled in the first place without English authoritarianism). It was neither a new concept in America nor in England. EVERY culture has strains of authoritarianism. That the German model appealed to American authoritarians does not surprise me.

Blogger CM October 08, 2015 11:52 AM  

Mexican kids aren't born with a hankering for tortillas or tequila.

But adopted children of different nationality to regret and take offense to being separated from their birth culture.

It says something to want to be surrounded by people genetically similar to you.

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:54 AM  

@175.

And so what? I don't buy your theory - I would bet genetic do ultimately show that some people naturally prefer tacos or fish and chips. They certainly affect the ability to eat say, cheese.

But let's accept your blank state theory. Mexican kids are raised by Mexican adults. That's true if they move here or if they don't. We are not discussing migrating millions of blank-slate babies over borders.

Therefore, the idea that somehow the fact that it's adults doing the migrating 'doesn't count' regarding your theories is absurd when put in practice.

OpenID Jack Amok October 08, 2015 11:55 AM  

Panel 1: Diversity

Panel 2: Proximity

Panel 3: War

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 11:56 AM  

@180 They might, true. But if they did go, as adults, to the country their parents had come from, it would feel just as alien to them despite everyone looking like they do. Hence why the notion of sending freed blacks back to Africa was a non-starter in the 19th century.

Blogger ZhukovG October 08, 2015 11:56 AM  

@175. White Knight Leo #0368

I am glad you brought up religion. I would like you to consider, rationally, that as an atheist you have rejected the 'Cult' of your 'Culture', and this may make you immunodeficient in regards to the dangers of 'Diversity'.

And yes, it is irrational to dislike someone simply for being of a different ethnicity. However, it is perfectly rational to object to a person of different ethnicity and several million of his fellows moving into your country.

Blogger Geoff October 08, 2015 12:00 PM  

Conservatives far too often open arguments with, "No offense, but...." or "Don't take this the wrong way, but...." Only problem is you weaken yourself so much that by the time you get to your point, no one's listening anymore.

Agreed except when said ironically like Milo who's Twitter header reads:

"Sorry, no offence, but it's true."

Then it's just hilarious.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 12:00 PM  

@181

Once again, I'm not defending any particular immigration policy. Agreed, adopting infants is not the concrete policy under discussion, and it's perfectly rational to oppose mass immigration by people from a culture alien to yours, for exactly the reasons most people are giving: those adults DO have their beliefs and prejudices ingrained, and so are likely to bring them along (to the detriment of the country they are immigrating to), especially if the assimilation pressures are low.

The only thing I was trying to do was point out *why* its rational to do this. The 'why' is very important to me, even if it's not to anyone else.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 12:01 PM  

Leo, another way to think of it is that differences in human beings don't stop below the neck.

Propensity towards alcoholism is heritable. If a country of people have a higher propensity towards alcoholism than other countries, how they react to alcohol will be fundamentally different than other countries. Different laws, different traditions regarding alcohol, different lots of things.

Ergo, Race --> Culture.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 12:02 PM  

Ugh, *don't stop ABOVE the neck.

That error kind of made my post unintelligible.

OpenID Steve October 08, 2015 12:07 PM  

@114 I agree, we have a few here who seem to forget that if not for Gentile Progressives, Jewish Progressives would get nowhere

Do you think that there are not enough cucks to take bribes or be blackmailed with pics of boys+ cocaine?

In Russia in 1907 the Bolsheviks were 10% Jewish and the Mensheviks were 20%

The fact they occupied 99% of the elite looter positions is irrelevant. The lack of jews as bolsheviks in Ulen, Siberia proves your point.

Ayn Rand was a Jewess!

She warned about the bad ideas going around in jewish circles, just as I am willing to throw some of the bad from my community under the bus before the pendulum swings back. When I read the real version of Alan Turning's arrest instead of the fairy tale I knew it was true because I knew people like him.

I go to a lot of weird places on the Internet,... it's getting hard to tell what's parody anymore.

I used to think that Gynostar was an incredibly funny parody about feminism, until I found out it was not. Look at this picture of the Social Justice League , ignoring the author's name is Cohen, & you would think it was made by a "not see" http://www.gynostar.com/archives/comic/the-just-us-league

If German couples adopted a whole bunch of..., I would imagine the cultural impact would be 0.

Do you believe evolution stopped at the neck or in majik dirt? If a black boy was born in a rice paddy would he have the same 1 out of 50 odds(better than white males) of getting a perfect math SAT? If common core believed in equality they would copy Germany/Japanese teaching of math instead of Haiti, equality by dragging Asians/whites down.

Mexican kids aren't born with a hankering for tortillas or tequila.

The last 8 Olympic 100yard dashes had all the finalists as black. Nature makes nurture breaks. Even 4th generation US Hispanics are behind Asians that got off the boat with nothing but a shirt on their back 6 months ago in every merit based measurement. Also see racial differences in Lactose tolerance resulting from evolution, you would rather jackboots do door to door raw milk raids than admit the queen of England drank raw milk every day of her life but a nigerian prince shouldn't.

When the Meiji Emperor took back power in Japan, he sent a lot of people to Europe to learn what the West had to offer

Its easy to copy what has been created, like the guy that stole the theory of relativity from an Italian scientist.. If equality existed somewhere in the world there would be a school with Asian girls being as stupid and violent as black boys that could be copied in the name of equality. The closest you ever came was Atlanta before 137 teachers got arrested for altering standardized tests.
-bgs

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 08, 2015 12:11 PM  

@61 Trump does not want single-payer health care. I heard him disavow that earlier this week on the Mark Levin show. He's in favor of market based solutions, and blamed the "single-payer" issue on media distortions.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 12:12 PM  

I do believe we've covered almost every single topic in this thread... BEFORE 200 posts, no less.

Blogger SciVo October 08, 2015 12:13 PM  

That last panel is... odd. It looks like a headless, mutant, growing zombie corpse, throwing out random tendrils underground...

Wait. That's actually a perfect visual metaphor, not odd at all. Never mind.

OpenID Jack Amok October 08, 2015 12:13 PM  

Leo, stop.

You're trying to carry on abstract philosophical debates. Look at panel 2 above. How likely is it your neighbors will be in the mood for abstract philosophical debates if they see that outside their doors?

It doesn't matter whether the ravening mob of Moslems got that way through nature or nurture, they are that way now and idiots like Merkel are bringing these culturally incompatible masses into contact with generally peaceful Germans. A debate about whether an Arab kid raised by Bavarian parents would be culturally compatible with other Bavarians is completely irrelevant because the immigrants were not raised by Bavarians.

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 12:14 PM  

I think BigGaySteve has yellow fever...

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 08, 2015 12:18 PM  

@61 I don't blame Trump for using legal eminent domain law (Kelo case) as a businessman, because it's a brutal world out there and the competition will use it. To be successful, you've got to use the tools provided. That's why the Chamber of Commerce should never be allowed to call the shots, e.g., on immigration. It will act in it's members own short term interest. If The Donald were acting as a government official, however, and pushing expansion of eminent domain, then I'd be very critical of him.

Blogger Sevron October 08, 2015 12:18 PM  

BGS

The blank-slaters just never seem to be able to produce that school of dumb and violent Asian girls, do they? It's almost like their idea doesn't survive even the slightest brush with reality, or something.

Blogger Rabbi B October 08, 2015 12:19 PM  

"How likely is it your neighbors will be in the mood for abstract philosophical debates if they see that outside their doors?"

Precisely. No one is going to take the time to determine if you are a good Muslim or a a bad Muslim.

"Funny, you don't look German."

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 12:22 PM  

@61 Trump does not want single-payer health care. I heard him disavow that earlier this week on the Mark Levin show. He's in favor of market based solutions, and blamed the "single-payer" issue on media distortions.

According to Breitbart, Trump does support a form of universal healthcare.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 08, 2015 12:23 PM  

@193

This is a *blog*. What's it for, except for carrying on abstract philosophical debates?

Blogger Josh October 08, 2015 12:24 PM  

@61 I don't blame Trump for using legal eminent domain law (Kelo case) as a businessman, because it's a brutal world out there and the competition will use it.

Of course you don't.

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