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Sunday, October 18, 2015

Amazon goes after the fakes

I've been expecting them to take action to shut down fake reviewers for some time now, but apparently it took being embarrassed in public to make it actually happen. More than a few SJWs should be shaking in their shoes.
AMAZON, the world’s largest online marketplace, is suing more than 1,000 people suspected of selling fake reviews in one of the biggest legal actions to uncover hidden identities on the internet.

The web giant is mounting the unprecedented court action to strip 1,114 alleged fake reviewers of their anonymity and force them to pay damages for the “manipulation and deception” of Amazon customers, according to court documents filed in America on Friday.

It is the first time any company has taken action against its own reviewers on this scale, according to legal experts, and could have far-reaching implications for privacy and the way consumer websites are policed.

The clampdown comes after an undercover Sunday Times investigation, in which a ghostwritten ebook was published on Amazon and fake reviewers were paid to push it to the top of one of the online retailer’s bestseller charts.

I've spoken to two Amazon executives about the problem, and they both agreed that fake reviews are a real problem that strikes at the legitimacy of their entire review system, and therefore, their business. They didn't necessarily agree that anyone who leaves a fake review should have their ability to review permanently removed and have their account suspended for 90 days, but they agreed that some form of negative incentive would be in order.

Amazon is full of SJWs, but they are mostly at the lower levels. The mid-level and higher executives aren't much interested in politics, they are interested in selling. Anything that gets in the way of that is likely to get steamrolled.

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Blogger ScuzzaMan October 18, 2015 5:20 AM  

This is good news.

When I was a young network engineer, and the OSI 7 layer model was all the rage, we used to say there were always two* more layers to the model, but they were never documented: politics, and money.

But it was always clear that we were running a business, and that money trumped everything, including politics.

Anyway, good to know that Amazon have it clear which way is up.

Blogger XXXXXXXXXXXXX October 18, 2015 6:16 AM  

It's already against the terms of service for authors to post reviews of other authors' books

I'm not sure where you got that idea from. #2 on the Customer Reviews Guidelines FAQ explicitly states the opposite, with a few obvious exceptions:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/community-help/customer-review-guidelines-faqs-from-authors

B.B.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan October 18, 2015 6:27 AM  

I wasn't aware authors can't review other authors' books? I certainly have reviewed a lot of books (never fakely) and my own books are also on Amazon.

Blogger Forrest Bishop October 18, 2015 6:34 AM  

The web giant is mounting the unprecedented court action to strip 1,114 alleged fake reviewers of their anonymity and force them to pay damages for the “manipulation and deception” of Amazon customers

Haven't seen the filings. The tell is the word "deceptive", as in "deceptive trade practice". I guess Amazon is forced to chose between an ongoing liability for deceptive trade practice (Harboring Fake Reviewers in the First Degree) or curtailing the Agenda. If this legal theory is true, the damages section (Prayer for Relief) of the pleading should reveal it. The fake reviewers have to be unmasked in order to enforce the damages upon them. So Amazon has to argue that the need to collect damages overrides the privacy concerns. (?) Could be a rockin' precedent, could also cut the other way. It will be interesting to see who the 1,114 are.

Blogger Eric Mueller October 18, 2015 6:34 AM  

I never understood fake reviews, but I guess you can't assume SJWs or those who use their tactics are human (or at least have normal human thought processes).

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 18, 2015 6:46 AM  

Yeah, if there is one thing that will send SJWs into full on, blubbering, wide eyed, why me...why are do this to me, panic. It is the threat of a lawsuit.

The Little Wounded Bird act is the part I'm sadistically looking forward to.

SJW tears are sweet and succulent.

Almost as good as Wolverine tears.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 18, 2015 6:55 AM  

@3 Giuseppe The Kurgan

Good to see you again.

I found this one

When he asked Amazon what was happening, Weddle got this an email reply that explained, "We have removed your review from Karma Backlash. We do not allow reviews on behalf of a person or company with a financial interest in the product or a directly competing product. This includes authors, artists, publishers, manufacturers, or third-party merchants selling the product. As a result, we've removed your reviews for this title."

It is certainly possible that some authors consider other writers rivals. In September, prize-winning English crime writer R.J. Ellory admitted to having written negative reviews of other writers' books under a pseudonym. The furor that erupted over his "sock puppet" reviews, however, was just as heated around the positive pseudonymous reviews Ellory had written,. which were for his own books. Ellory, who has since apologized, called one of his own books "a modern masterpiece."


Yes, I can see Ellory doing this

Blogger JDC October 18, 2015 7:06 AM  

I never understood fake reviews, but I guess you can't assume SJWs or those who use their tactics are human

I had the same thought. I mean, if you really despise a writer (or writing) than read it and give it a substantive review. But then it hit me...if you do that then someone can pin you down. You can't just shriek and point. It reaffirms that SJW's are not only liars but lazy as well.

Blogger Dexter October 18, 2015 7:16 AM  

The problem is not so much the "fake review for sale" types, but all the vermin who crawl out from under their rock to post a one-star fake review for free when someone points and shrieks at a target. Those reviews are rarely deleted or the reviewer punished.

Blogger VD October 18, 2015 7:17 AM  

I'm not sure where you got that idea from. #2 on the Customer Reviews Guidelines FAQ explicitly states the opposite, with a few obvious exceptions.

You're right. I thought I recalled them announcing some sort of policy to that effect but I guess they subsequently backed down. Removed.

Blogger Salt October 18, 2015 7:41 AM  

The suit is more targeted than at merely fake reviews -

The US online retail giant has filed a lawsuit in Seattle, Washington.

It says its brand reputation is being damaged by "false, misleading and inauthentic" reviews paid for by sellers seeking to improve the appeal of their products.

It comes after Amazon sued a number of websites in April for selling fake reviews.

Amazon says the 1,114 defendants, termed "John Does" as the company does not yet know their real names, offer a false review service for as little as $5 (£3.24) on the website Fiverr.com, with most promising five-star reviews for a seller's products.


It's a start, but does not address the individual fake reviewer. That is still handled under Amazon's current policy.

Blogger Joseph Maroney October 18, 2015 7:50 AM  

I don't know what they have against a one and done policy. Once somebody writes a fake review, what could be so important that they be allowed to continue to write reviews?

Blogger Tank October 18, 2015 8:08 AM  

Amazon is full of SJWs, but they are mostly at the lower levels. The mid-level and higher executives aren't much interested in politics, they are interested in selling. Anything that gets in the way of that is likely to get steamrolled.

Mrs. Tank works at a B&N. When Ann Coulter's books come out, they tend to get telephone calls asking if the store will sell it, and pressuring them not to. As I understand it, the B&N response is a polite: we are Booksellers, we sell books.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 8:16 AM  

I immediately thought of Fiver as I read this post. However the thought of Amazon finally taking action such as this could dissuade false reviews from people who cannot prove they purchased the book.

Blogger Phillip George October 18, 2015 8:18 AM  

Extrapolate just a little. Fake reviews go with fake opinions. Fake opinions go with fake personas. Fake personas are what the roman/ latin words always meant. Something like facile.

You got me thinking anyone doing "good" is a decompensating fraud. If you can't handle your miserably shitty useless life why not become the Scarlet Pimpernel of SJW book reviewers striking a blow at the heart of cruel right wing bigots, xenophobes, sexists, planet polluting breathers, all men because they are, whitey mc whites, red necks who have a life and actually enjoy stuff.

The fake reviewers live in fake villages with fake smiles fake causes fake........

ah, I waffle, the gospel is a scalpel that excises black marrow. This lawyers picnic will make a few rich and a few headlines. But the disease is lack. When the West lost it's Christian history a collective insanity replaced it. IMHO This is a review of all the reviewers. cheers

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 18, 2015 8:23 AM  

Frankly in my experience libtards rarely read at all. Kind of leaves me wondering how the SJW mob leaders like Scalzi sells anything, but maybe it is the neutrals that comprise the bulk of his and others' sales.

To me this seems easy if you bought the book on Scamazon you can review it, if not nada.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) October 18, 2015 8:31 AM  

Almost as good as Wolverine tears.

I see what you did there. Funniest thing about watching that game, other than the well-deserved dismay and disbelief on the faces of the arrogant d-bags from Ann Arbor, was the Wal-Mart ads. Maize & Blue & Made in China

Blogger Doom October 18, 2015 8:40 AM  

"The mid-level and higher executives aren't much interested in politics, they are interested in selling."

Such is true with many .corps. Not all, but I would guess most. The problem is, they, as middle and senior, are responsible to us. They best, all of them, start taking the little SJW wienies in hand and spanking the fuck out of them, or they are going to lose business. As is, there are a number of companies I am about to cut ties with permanently. And, yeah, they'll miss the business.

I understand why some companies are looking for foreign workers. Young Americans think they can use their employees business to make social statements and harass real Americans. It is difficult when you have to watch over a butch of babies 24/7. Mid and upper really do have other things to do. SJW's are a huge drag on the bottom line, businesses had best figure out how to deal with them. Bad economic time to be pushing false idealism, and against the majority.

Blogger GracieLou October 18, 2015 8:49 AM  

The fake reviews are so out of control I found one on coffee. A Christian organization sells His Coffee as a fundraiser. I bought a 5lb bag of Vienna at an outlet and went to Amazon to check reviews. I found one very detailed 5 star and one 1 star which consisted of one word,"Gross!" (BTW coffee is awesome-would buy again). The point is, nothing is too petty for your SJW. They pick away like termites. And part of my frustration is getting the normalcy bias folks to understand the extent of the problem and how dangerous it is.

Blogger James Dixon October 18, 2015 9:24 AM  

> The suit is more targeted than at merely fake reviews -

Yes. It's targeted at those who sell fake reviews in bulk. But it sets a precedent that fake reviews are fraud and can be prosecuted as such.

> Frankly in my experience libtards rarely read at all. Kind of leaves me wondering how the SJW mob leaders like Scalzi sells anything...

Buy does not mean read.

OpenID elijahrhodes October 18, 2015 9:29 AM  

Seems to me the simplest solution would be to only allow reviews from people who have actually bought it. Being able to review something you didn't buy seems idiotic to me.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 18, 2015 9:31 AM  

This must explain one review I saw that filled the entire review section and 2 of his own comments.

Then a bunch of comments afterward were lambasting the guy for putting a professional review into Amazon.

Blogger Mike Lorrey October 18, 2015 10:24 AM  

I smell a class action by affected authors.

Blogger Mike Lorrey October 18, 2015 10:25 AM  

I smell a class action by affected authors.

Blogger Desiderius October 18, 2015 10:32 AM  

"the disease is lack"

+1

Blogger JartStar October 18, 2015 10:33 AM  

I'd love to see the list of books with fake reviews and how many are from major publishers.

Blogger Desiderius October 18, 2015 10:35 AM  

"you can't assume SJWs or those who use their tactics are human"

A too rosy view of humanity is as dangerous as a too dyspeptic.

They're human, all too human.

Blogger Dexter October 18, 2015 11:15 AM  

Seems to me the simplest solution would be to only allow reviews from people who have actually bought it. Being able to review something you didn't buy seems idiotic to me.

Totally disagree. I have posted many reviews of books I got from the library. I read the whole book and my reviews are as real and legit as if I'd bought it.

Blogger Dexter October 18, 2015 11:18 AM  

And there have also been times when I bought the book, wrote a scathing review (for non-political reasons, i.e., the book really stunk and I wanted to help other people avoid it) and then returned the book to Amazon. This approach would also defeat the "you can only review something you bought" rule.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 11:38 AM  

Dexter that's interesting that you returned a book to Amazon. All you had to tell them is the book really stunk? I would never have contemplated trying to return a book.

Buying a book and returning it or using a book from a library for a review are likely a very small percentage of the total amount of reviewers for a particular book. I still tend to side with others in this thread that reviewers should be limited to those who have at a minimum have purchased the item. Amazon could provide one time access codes as part of the purchase in order to allow the purchaser to post a review. If that limits the amount of reviews so be it.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 11:54 AM  

Directly from the Amazon FAQ linked above:
Customer Reviews are meant to provide customers with feedback from fellow shoppers.

Blogger Anthony October 18, 2015 12:03 PM  

@21 - I've occasionally posted reviews of stuff I've bought somewhere other than Amazon. So not a fake review, but not possible to be a "verified purchaser", either.

Blogger collisioncat67 October 18, 2015 12:04 PM  

No wonder that the Peeple app has SJWs drooling.

To them that would be the ultimate WMD to those who bad think.

Blogger Joe Keenan October 18, 2015 12:37 PM  

I deleted all my reviews I had on Amazon because of their lousy moderation/support. The last instance that led up to me deleting my reviews was the deletion (probably by a bot) of some innocuous comments on a review. Inquiries as to why the comments were deleted elicited a form letter response, also by bot. AMAZON doth protest too much.

Blogger Doom October 18, 2015 12:51 PM  

It's about time. Between manufacturing competitors to pro- and anti- Chinese to pro and con union sorts the reviews are turning into junk. I have started looking at other places for reviews. Not much better, but they don't seem as extreme. My guess is the 1,114 is just either some random tip of the tip of the iceberg, or some group that was seriously hitting reviews nearly professionally? Either way, they are just an example. I would lay money that half of the reviewers, including verifieds, are bought or otherwise fake. You do realize, you can buy it and return it and you are then still a verified with very little, if any, skin in the game.

It's about time.

OpenID rterwilliger October 18, 2015 1:19 PM  

For a couple of weeks this was a featured review on a best-selling book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1HKOMNBP5TZLD/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl

What a system.

Blogger Dexter October 18, 2015 1:43 PM  

Dexter that's interesting that you returned a book to Amazon. All you had to tell them is the book really stunk?

Nah, I gave them some other reason. They don't ask too many questions. Worst case scenario, you get charged for return postage ($3 or so) and you get a refund on the rest.

Buying a book and returning it or using a book from a library for a review are likely a very small percentage of the total amount of reviewers for a particular book.

Not the kind of books I read and review. Often I am the only one, or one of two or three. I tend not to bother reviewing books that have hundreds of reviews already - unless the book was particularly irritating.

So, I feel that my non-purchaser reviews do have impact.

Customer Reviews are meant to provide customers with feedback from fellow shoppers.

Yes, and if I am telling my fellow shoppers NOT TO BUY IT (for a legit reason, i.e., genuinely low quality) then that is very useful feedback for them. I appreciate such reviews! If I avoid a mistake due to a critical review, I am a happy man and I don't care if they bought it or not.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 1:44 PM  

rterwilliger superb review find; no doubt another case where the review is better than the book. Someone needs to gather reviews like this and put them into a collection if it hasn't already been done.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 18, 2015 1:55 PM  

@28 Dexter October 18, 2015 11:15 AM
Seems to me the simplest solution would be to only allow reviews from people who have actually bought it. Being able to review something you didn't buy seems idiotic to me.

Totally disagree. I have posted many reviews of books I got from the library. I read the whole book and my reviews are as real and legit as if I'd bought it.
---

I'm conflicted on this one too. But Amazon is a business so I guess if they decided to only allow verified purchases from Amazon, that would make sense.

But I also would like to review books I didn't buy from Amazon, but have had for years, or got from other sources.

OpenID Steve October 18, 2015 2:29 PM  

Speaking of going after fakes it turns out the only thing you can't publicly blow on the streets of San Francisco is the whistle on a commie antigun sheriff not legally allowed to carry a gun.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/san-francisco-whistleblower-transferred-revealing-sheriff-ross-mirkarimi-not-qualified-possess-gun

No wonder that the Peeple app has SJWs drooling.To them that would be the ultimate WMD to those who bad think.

I forgot about that I was going to try to make a case that all Mandatory Reporters of Domestic Violence/Abuse should be exempt from that & try to get organizations involved. In the cases of fake reviews they should have their ability to review revoked.
-BGS

OpenID Jack Amok October 18, 2015 2:39 PM  

Dexter, while you may be providing useful advice, if other "unverified" purchasers are providing bogus feedback, your useful advice is swamped and devalued. The question isn't whether your advice is good, it's whether the sum total of advice from unverified purchasers is good.

It's easy enough to filter out the noise when looking at an individual product, but when trying to among dozens (or hundreds) of options in a category, not being able to reliably filter by average review makes Amazon far less useful.

(PS: on the Amazon - SJW front, I am able to buy a Confederate Flag on Amazon again).

Blogger Groot October 18, 2015 2:40 PM  

@19. GracieLou:
"They pick away like termites."

Termites are the worst. I could tell you stories.

@18 Doom:
"start taking the little SJW wienies in hand and spanking the fuck out of them"

Doom. Your metaphors need some editing.

Blogger David-2 October 18, 2015 2:53 PM  

"They didn't necessarily agree that anyone who leaves a fake review should have their ability to review permanently removed and have their account suspended for 90 days, but they agreed that some form of negative incentive would be in order."

Hmmm. Getting sued or getting my Amazon.com account suspended for 90 days. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but for me that would be a tough choice.

(Of course, for the bottom feeders at "fivvers.com", it might be different.)

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 3:00 PM  

Heh You are Groot

Blogger David-2 October 18, 2015 3:04 PM  

@21 - I believe part of the reason Amazon.com took this step is that fake reviewers were devaluing the "verified purchase" tag that many people (like me) rely on. The article I read said that some sellers on Amazon were arranging to send the "fake reviewer" an actual product - via Amazon - probably by supplying a discount code to $0 - and sending an empty box. That way the "fake reviewer" would appear to be a "verified purchaser". My strong guess is that this lawsuit is just a springboard to get the depositions/testimony needed for the subsequent bigger lawsuit against those sellers. And _that_ is the negative incentive Amazon.com is looking for: Something to police their sellers in this regard.

Blogger Dexter October 18, 2015 3:06 PM  

@42,

I already told you, the vast majority of my reviews are about books that have few or no other reviews, so NO my advice is not being swamped.

The advice from unverified purchasers is no better or worse than from verified. Like anything else, you have to read it and appraise it using your brain.

If a bunch of obvious SJW assholes post dozens of clearly fake one star reviews... that has the opposite effect from what they intend, namely, it makes it more likely that I will buy it.

OpenID Jack Amok October 18, 2015 3:32 PM  

I already told you, the vast majority of my reviews are about books that have few or no other reviews

Yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, so you're a special squirrel, but the obscure books you are reviewing are not the only ones someone might be interested in (in fact, seems like they're ones not many people are interested in). So what about the fake reviews of other books? Why is your ability to give a thoughtful review of a book a handful of people are interested in worth allowing unverified purchasers to swamp the reviews of other books?

The advice from unverified purchasers is no better or worse than from verified.

I suppose you really do believe that, but do you really want to defend it? Before you answer that, think about - if nothing else - Vox's books. What do you think the politically motivated fake review rate is among people who bought his books vs those who didn't?

Blogger David-2 October 18, 2015 3:43 PM  

@42 - it's a bit hard to find but you can in fact filter Amazon reviews by verified or not so you only see the verified. Or unverified. But I find it just as easy to look for the "verified purchaser" tag and take that into account.

I personally think reviews from all comers should be posted. It's easy enough to spot the fake reviews, even easier to spot the trends. (Most telling: a pronounced U-shaped histogram of number of 5-star to 1-star reviews.

I feel that people who read the reviews for their buying decisions are smart enough to evaluate not only the product but also the reviewer. And, if they're not, they're not. Either way, what's the problem?

(Scroll down the product page to the reviews. Click on the text tag "see all ### customer reviews". Scroll down just a little bit to the "Filter by:" dropdowns.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 18, 2015 3:45 PM  

They could make verified purchasers trump unverified. In other words, if a book has reviews from verified purchasers, only those are shown and used to determine the rating. If it doesn't, it falls back to unverified. Or ratings from unverified purchasers could be discounted to 20% of a verified, and those reviews not shown unless someone clicks through to see all reviews.

Something like that would keep unverified purchasers from having much effect on popular or controversial books -- which have plenty of reviews already -- while still letting their reviews shine for obscure books no one cares about.

Blogger Lost Pilgrim October 18, 2015 4:37 PM  

I've reviewed a couple dozen books on Amazon. Often though I did not purchase through Amazon. However, they know who I am as I review under my account. It would be trivial for them to see who I am.

Blogger rcocean October 18, 2015 7:00 PM  

I usually ignore 5 star reviews of most books since I assume they were written by sock puppets , the authors friends, and paid hacks. You see the same thing on IMDB. For example the film "Sorcerer" was trashed when it came out in 1977, yet go on Amazon and IMDB and film is 99% 5 star reviews. Absurd.

Blogger rcocean October 18, 2015 7:04 PM  

"I personally think reviews from all comers should be posted.'

Why should Fake people or paid reviewers be allowed to trash/praise a book they haven't read? Makes no sense. People rely on the reviews. Why not just allow film reviewers to write reviews in the NYT or New Yorker even if they haven't seen the movie? Why not allow TLS to review books no one has read? Crazy.

Blogger rcocean October 18, 2015 7:05 PM  

"I personally think reviews from all comers should be posted.'

Why should Fake people or paid reviewers be allowed to trash/praise a book they haven't read? Makes no sense. People rely on the reviews. Why not just allow film reviewers to write reviews in the NYT or New Yorker even if they haven't seen the movie? Why not allow TLS to review books no one has read? Crazy.

Blogger James Dixon October 18, 2015 8:37 PM  

> Dexter that's interesting that you returned a book to Amazon. All you had to tell them is the book really stunk? I would never have contemplated trying to return a book.

Amazon's policy is that you have a satisfaction guarantee. If you're not happy, you can return the product. I think there is a time limit though.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 18, 2015 9:25 PM  

Amazon Vine is full of SJW'S. If you say something they don't like in the Forums you'll find your reviews hit with unhelpful votes.

Blogger Hank Brown October 18, 2015 9:31 PM  

I to have posted reviews on Amazon of books I've read elsewhere, but my reviews are always honest and I've never reviewed something I didn't read/use. Also, most of the reviews I've received were not "verified purchases." It would really suck if those got removed.

(For instance, I got one from Midwest Book Review, from a paperback copy they got from me for free, simply so I could get a review and hence some exposure.)

Also, I know a handful of other authors and we've reviewed each other's books. There was no quid-pro-quo or any premeditated review trading going on, but we all liked the same genre, didn't like the garbage being peddled by the New York Publishing Cartel. knew Amazon reviews are important for discoverability, and wished each other success. But we actually read the books and wrote detailed, honest reviews.

Here's a blog post I wrote about something that now I wonder if it might be tied to this "crackdown somehow:

http://www.virtualpulp.net/2015/08/27/thought-police-clamping-down-at-amazon-review-of-coyote-by-allan-steele/

Again, I didn't buy this one from Amazon proper, but from their underling, audible.com. So it would never be considered a "verified purchase" even though Amazon ultimately gets the money I bought it with.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 18, 2015 10:01 PM  

George Rape Rape Martin attracts a lot of the fake reviews both ways. If you look at a Dance With Dragons it is divided 50/50 between one star and five star reviews.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 19, 2015 1:10 AM  

George Rape Rape Martin attracts a lot of the fake reviews both ways. If you look at a Dance With Dragons it is divided 50/50 between one star and five star reviews.

Blogger J Van Stry October 19, 2015 3:03 AM  

I seem to recall that there are a few famous Indy authors who are very big on Amazon who got that way by using fake reviews. They paid a couple of grand t get themselves pushed to the top, and then after they were 'famous' they slammed the door behind them by outing the companies that did all their reviews. (this was about 2 years ago now).

Everyone thought Amazon should have pulled their books down, and canceled their accounts. But, because they were selling a lot of books, Amazon turned a blind eye to it. Either Amazon is now getting a lot of complaints, or it's hurting sales, because they've never done anything about it before, even through it's been going on for over five years now.

Blogger Lovekraft October 19, 2015 5:46 AM  

latest episode of South Park deals with this: anyone and everyone taking it upon themselves to be self-appointed restaurant critics. These critics eventually turn into tyrants and violently crush anyone opposing their views.

The show ends where everyone black knights the yelp sjws. Subtle reference to GG in there too methinks.

Blogger Lovekraft October 19, 2015 5:48 AM  

latest episode of South Park deals with this: anyone and everyone taking it upon themselves to be self-appointed restaurant critics. These critics eventually turn into tyrants and violently crush anyone opposing their views.

The show ends where everyone black knights the yelp sjws. Subtle reference to GG in there too methinks.

Blogger Dexter October 19, 2015 1:33 PM  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, so you're a special squirrel, but the obscure books you are reviewing are not the only ones someone might be interested in (in fact, seems like they're ones not many people are interested in). So what about the fake reviews of other books?

I don't give a shit. It is very, very easy to tell when a review is fake. Anyone stupid enough to be fooled by a fake Amazon review deserves to waste their money and has much bigger problems than buying stuff on the basis of fake reviews. That category probably includes you, but eh, oh well.

Why is your ability to give a thoughtful review of a book a handful of people are interested in worth allowing unverified purchasers to swamp the reviews of other books?

Has anyone established that the number of unverified fake reviews is significantly larger than the number of unverified legit reviews? Has anyone established that verified purchasers cannot and do not post fake reviews? I don't think they have, so fuck off.

I suppose you really do believe that, but do you really want to defend it? Before you answer that, think about - if nothing else - Vox's books. What do you think the politically motivated fake review rate is among people who bought his books vs those who didn't?

I suppose you really are stupid enough to believe that the Vox Day fake review kerfluffle is good enough reason to overturn the Amazon review system, but do you really want to defend it? Before you answer, think about - if nothing else - what a tiny, tiny number of books Vox has written, in the grand scheme of things, and what a tiny, tiny number of fake reviews his books have received, in the grand scheme of things.

Math is hard...

Blogger Danby October 19, 2015 1:51 PM  

REally Dexter, you have too much of yourself wrapped in book reviews. The question is whther the Amazon system is being gamed (it is) and what can be done about it.
One of the proposed solutions is to eliminate reviews from unverified customers. The thinking is that this would present a barrier to politically or venally motivated fake reviews. This appears reasonable.
Whether it would also eliminate good reviews is a side question, of much less interest to Amazon or potential book purchasers (almost everyone but you).
If you want to preen and use yourself as an excuse for maintaining the current broken system, take your effeminate personality disorder where someone who cares will cluck sympathetically.
No one cares.

Blogger SirHamster October 19, 2015 5:17 PM  

(PS: on the Amazon - SJW front, I am able to buy a Confederate Flag on Amazon again).

I noticed that too. That cleared up my conscience to pick up the Compost Everything book and some other supplies from Amazon.

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