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Monday, October 05, 2015

Battle under the sea

Still think they're not invaders?
Invading migrants who stormed the Channel Tunnel in a desperate bid to break into Britain by force managed to get ten miles before they were caught, it has emerged.

A group of around 110 migrants, thought to be from Sudan and Eritrea, broke down security fences, pelted police with stones then made a dash for the tunnel in the early hours of Saturday morning.

They were eventually stopped by French gendarmes, who were able to stop the group by force in a battle some 250ft below the sea.
Let's see. They broke through the border defenses, attacked the border guards with weapons, then were stopped by violence. Sounds like an invasion to me. Sure, they're not wearing uniforms; does that mean the Zulu War and the Boer War weren't wars either?

Meanwhile, in Germany, the government has admitted that they are expecting 1.5 million migrants this year, nearly twice as many as they previously reported. They seem surprisingly unconcerned, perhaps because past German governments have demonstrated their ability to deal with four times that number.

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70 Comments:

Blogger Ostar October 05, 2015 1:36 PM  

Yes, but do the Germans of today have the cajones of the Germans in WWI? (They did not handle the Russians inside Germany in WWII after all).

Blogger CM October 05, 2015 1:38 PM  

People who don't see this have zero grasp of history.

What? You think war was always so chivalrous that "rules of engagement" were followed, Christmas cease fires were always honored, and gifts exchanged in no-man's land?

As bloody as that war was, those stories seem to lodge in people's heads and they forget the rest.

The West has sheltered these idiots for far too long. They are naive and foolish in their ignorance.

Blogger Koanic October 05, 2015 1:39 PM  

Fortunately, Biter and Beater permitted the ringbearer to escape.

Blogger Jemison Thorsby October 05, 2015 1:39 PM  

That last line. Just... ouch. You do have a way with words.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 05, 2015 1:44 PM  

@1 Ostar:
VERY few Soviet POWs survived. The proportions were on the order of the German POW survival rate on the Eastern Front (90-95% dead in captivity).

This could get very ugly. And Vox isn't the only person to point out that when Europeans get worked up to start the killing, they are exceptionally efficient at it.

Blogger Bill October 05, 2015 1:49 PM  

European ultra-efficient savagery is why we have the Geneva Conventions. Well, each new generation needs to learn the same lessons .

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 05, 2015 1:53 PM  

The Conservative Tribune is reporting on a story of a European woman who knows Arabic, listening in on these Muslims:

Bolevar alleges that the men then began talking about whether or not they should rob the passengers on the train and rape her, which would be pleasing to Allah, as they were infidels, especially her, for not being dressed properly in a hijab.

Once the train finally stopped, Bolevar and the other paying passengers had to force their way through the crowd to exit the train car, protecting their luggage from grabbing hands, while some of the men discussed taking them as hostages.

She described the station as being under siege, with the throng of mostly men turning down offerings of food while demanding money.

In her opinion, these Muslim migrants have no interest in learning the language or a trade, assimilating with European culture, or becoming productive citizens. They are instead focused solely on leeching off of the welfare state and waging jihad.
From Woman overhears Muslims in their own speech

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 05, 2015 1:58 PM  

Four times that number ...

I see what you did there.

Blogger DaveofSpades October 05, 2015 2:02 PM  

And yet the German government is starting to evict its own citizens from their homes in order to give them to the invaders.

Blogger Josh October 05, 2015 2:07 PM  

Don't you mean FOOOOUR times that number?

Blogger YIH October 05, 2015 2:26 PM  

‘how many f***ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?’
6 million, it's always 6 million.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 05, 2015 2:27 PM  

I got into an argument on Breitbart with some asshole claiming that the only people making trouble (in his neck of the woods, at least), are the nationalists who he claims were attacking police. He admit that he knows immigrants elsewhere are causing trouble but for some reason, he thinks his anecdote is sufficient enough to substantiate his claim, even though, by his own logic, all of the anecdotes of immigrants being a problem outweigh his anecdote by shear volume and thusly, should imply the opposite of the conclusion he came to.

I tried explaining this to him and that the nationalists actions are not as bad as the immigrants at present or in the future once the immigrants get what they want and that the nationalists would stop once the immigrants were gone but the immigrants would never stop, but like a good little Euro-Trash serf, my words weren't cutting into his neutron star thick-head.

Anybody got any ideas, especially ones that also involve insulting him a whole bunch for his idiocy?

Blogger Ostar October 05, 2015 2:35 PM  

You don't have to kill them all - you may not have to kill any of them, statistically speaking.
They just have to fear being hurt (physically, emotionally, whatever) and they leave the area.

It's like those videos you see where a dog or even a cat charges a bear 4x or more their size.
No way the bear could be killed, but they sense they could be hurt even if they do the killing, so they leave.

Blogger Koanic October 05, 2015 2:51 PM  

"You don't have to kill them all"

He's right. The English thing to do would be to amputate a digit and then send them back. Then line the wall with middle fingers. Call it the 11 strikes policy.

Blogger Rantor October 05, 2015 2:54 PM  

But it appears this time the solution is to do away with the Germans in favor of the invaders. GeniSuicide.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 05, 2015 3:22 PM  

What should be done about all of the foolish Britons and Europeans welcoming these invaders?

Traitors and collaborators used to be shot.

OpenID karsten0 October 05, 2015 3:26 PM  

"But it appears this time the solution is to do away with the Germans in favor of the invaders. GeniSuicide."

Exactly. When Bertolt Brecht (yes, even a Leftist can have limits) privately groused that the East German Judeocommunist government "should dissolve the people and elect another," after its brutally put down the '53 flare-ups, he didn't mean it to be an action plan for future Leftists.

We are seeing the worst of the former DDR absorbing the now-unified nation of Germany, not the other way around. And as ever, Germany is a bellwether for the rest of the continent.

On a related note:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/10/stasi-roots-of-the-german-jewish-anti-racist-left-and-its-program-of-destroying-ethnic-germany/

Blogger Sithicus October 05, 2015 3:29 PM  

"Four times that number"

I like the way you think ;)

Blogger bob k. mando October 05, 2015 3:45 PM  

12. Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 05, 2015 2:27 PM
Anybody got any ideas, especially ones that also involve insulting him a whole bunch for his idiocy?



insulting him and changing his mind are mutually exclusive outcomes.

fortunately, he sounds like an SJW so there's no point in trying to dialectically convince him anyways.

otoh, you want to tailor your rhetorical responses such that you can convince observers.

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 05, 2015 3:49 PM  

@7

WHAT?? Can you please check your sources (and privilege) next time you quote somebody like that. Why would Muslim men coming from a Muslim nation do exactly what the founders of Islam did and thought?

Blogger Noah B #120 October 05, 2015 4:05 PM  

Reminds me of a great scene from A Bronx Tale: "Now yous can't leave."

OpenID Steve October 05, 2015 4:05 PM  

"You don't have to kill them all"

Do like Blackjack Pershing did when he stopped jihad against white nations by leaving one as a witness.

Blogger Daniel October 05, 2015 4:19 PM  

Yes. These "incidents" ought to be labeled by their proper historic term: "skirmishes."

Acts of war that are masked as something else are simply following the dictate:

"When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."

If deception is the art of war, self-delusion is the science of defeat.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 05, 2015 4:19 PM  

This could get very ugly. And Vox isn't the only person to point out that when Europeans get worked up to start the killing, they are exceptionally efficient at it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they kill 6 million.

Blogger Gaiseric ! October 05, 2015 4:21 PM  

Anybody got any ideas, especially ones that also involve insulting him a whole bunch for his idiocy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjW6yVbpR4U

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 05, 2015 4:50 PM  

Four times that number ...

I see what you did there.

Blogger SciVo October 05, 2015 4:52 PM  

It used to be that we could just throw a Crusade and force the invaders to go back and defend their homelands, but the Syrians are cowards running away from the draft, so that won't work on them. Then again, they're a minority of the invaders, so that's still an option to use on the rest.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 05, 2015 4:54 PM  

I guess we are just going to have to fight, you best be preparing

Blogger The Reactionary October 05, 2015 5:16 PM  

Hey Vox, Sarah Sharp bails on the Linux kernel development. Couldn't stand the heat, so she's getting back to the kitchen.

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2988850/opensource-subnet/linux-kernel-dev-sarah-sharp-quits-citing-brutal-communications-style.html

Blogger Floyd Looney October 05, 2015 5:44 PM  

We need to answer the question: Why do politicians insist on turning the worlds western advanced democracies into refugee camps?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 05, 2015 5:46 PM  

I'm prepared to go to Germany and target the invaders.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir October 05, 2015 5:52 PM  

Merkel, Cameron, et al, have allowed themselves to become lackeys of the global elites who call the shots behind the scenes--masochistic lackeys, at that. They remind me of Denethor in Lord of the Rings' Return of the King. Denethor, steward of Gondor, descends painfully into madness in a way that illustrates the complexity of evil. Denethor allows the evil suggestions of the palantir to convince him that he is incapable of thwarting evil.
What would it take to snap the accommodating European "leaders" out of it? To witness the Muslim invaders raping and beheading their children right before their eyes? The mind boggles.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) October 05, 2015 5:59 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised if they kill 6 million.
6 million Jews and 5 million homosexual, mentally ill, and political dissidents. 11 million total, but that's nothing on Stalin's 30 to 60 million dead.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 05, 2015 6:18 PM  

Why do politicians insist on turning the worlds western advanced democracies into refugee camps?

From Deadly Quicksilver Lies, by Glen Cook:

"For some reason, I just can't get used to the thinking it takes to encompass that kind of villainy. It doesn't seem reasonable to steal from the poor and the helpless, though I'm sure Morley could paste on his puzzled frown and make it all clear: you steal from the poor and helpless because they can't fight back. Because nobody gives a damn. But you do have to do one hell of a lot of stealing in order to make much money."

A continent-sized refugee camp makes for a lot of opportunity for theft, especially when part of the population still has a lot of residual wealth from before you swamped it with refugees.

Blogger Ostar October 05, 2015 6:20 PM  

Or Mao's 40 to 72 million - but then China had a much greater starting population, so Stalin "wins" on a a percentage basis.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 05, 2015 6:24 PM  

@19

What does otoh mean? Also, so you're saying I shouldn't open my response with something like, 'Listen limp-dick...' or 'Listen fuck-face...' or 'Okay, asshole...' If that's the case, can I still curse like a sailor and make my point if it's not directed at the person I'm debating with themselves or anyone the person is using as an authority to back themselves up with?

@25

Thanks for that.

Blogger JAY WILL October 05, 2015 6:58 PM  

Its harder to press the buttons of war if you know you will suffer personally. The lying class lives will be severely affected by world war III. The Yank Govt have no fear of millions dieing, they only care about their own. I feel hopeful as the red button pressers will lose their private jets and everything else. Nuclear bunkers are rubbish. None of them want to lose the good life.

However, what if you know that your own people might lock you up or kill you? Maybe the nukes are needed after all. If Blair had a choice between what Gadaffi or Hussein had, he'll wipe out 40 million people to save his skin.

Blogger James Dixon October 05, 2015 6:59 PM  

OT again, but my wife is out of surgery and seems to be doing well. All prayers and well wishes were greatly appreciated.

Blogger CM October 05, 2015 7:00 PM  

Emmanuel - On The Other Hand

Cursing is not policed here.

Blogger SciVo October 05, 2015 7:03 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales @12: Anybody got any ideas, especially ones that also involve insulting him a whole bunch for his idiocy?

Ask him exactly how many women have to be raped before the cost is more than the benefit of feeling good for helping people. The correct answer is, of course, "one." Since there has undoubtedly already been more than one, he is effectively a rape apologist; having at least some intuitive sense of that, he will no doubt refuse to answer with a precise number. You can then use that refusal to name a number as evidence that not only is he evil and wrong, but he knows it.

Blogger SciVo October 05, 2015 7:09 PM  

That is technically pseudo-dialectic, since true dialectic would weigh the human cost of welcoming invaders with the human cost of not; but since it would be inhuman for him to not actually care more about his own people, and since whites have such a strong rape taboo, I'm confident that the rhetorical element would be effective.

Blogger bob k. mando October 05, 2015 7:20 PM  

36. Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 05, 2015 6:24 PM
What does otoh mean?



an acronym for "On The Other Hand". any google search on something like that will return the answer instantly.


36. Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 05, 2015 6:24 PM
Also, so you're saying I shouldn't open my response with something like



*drums fingers*

and the number of times you've opened a retort with "Listen, fuckface ..." and had them wind up converting to your side is ...?

as opposed to the number of times you've just started a knock down, drag out argument where both sides retire from the field MORE firmly entrenched than before you started?

i sometimes open with "bullshit", but that's usually because i'm intentionally trying to shock my interlocutor out of his complacent rut.

the critical difference between what i'm doing and what you're doing being that "bullshit" isn't a direct personal attack on my opponent.

i'm just highlighting a major factual or logical error which my opponent SHOULD already be aware of. it's then simply a question of forcing him to admit that he already knows he's being inconsistent.

Blogger SciVo October 05, 2015 7:21 PM  

In the unlikely event that he responds with dialectic, you can go full rhetoric: "So you're saying that women need to be raped here in order to prevent women from being raped over there? Why are our women worth less than theirs?"

Blogger bob k. mando October 05, 2015 7:23 PM  

36. Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 05, 2015 6:24 PM
can I still curse like a sailor and make my point if it's not directed at the person I'm debating with themselves or anyone the person is using as an authority to back themselves up with?



do you find that my cursing enhances or detracts from my arguments?

try to use examples ( Constitutionality of slavery, for instance ) that you disagree with, so that you aren't falling prey to confirmation bias.

Blogger Phillip George October 05, 2015 7:26 PM  

a totally confected crisis means you have two fronts in the first instance.

When the people behind your own lines aren't on the same side you are? For at least 1600 years Europe hasn't existed without Christianity as the glue, and it won't exist without it.

Pray and keep your powder dry?

Personally I think it's too late to be late again. But I don't know.

Blogger Billy October 05, 2015 7:38 PM  

@33 6 million Jews and 5 million homosexual, mentally ill, and political dissidents". I thought it was 6 billion. "Deaths due to Nazi political, racial and religious persecution

The West German government put the number of Germans killed by the Nazi political, racial and religious persecution at 300,000 (including 160,000 German Jews)[103]

A 2003 report by the German Federal Archive put the total murdered during the Action T4 Euthanasia program at over 200,000 persons.[104][105][106"

per that reliable source wikipedia; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

Blogger Tobias Templo October 05, 2015 7:47 PM  

Under the sea
Under the sea
Darling it's better
Down where it's wetter
Take it from me
Up on the shore they work all day
Out in the sun they slave away
While we devotin'
Full time to floatin'
Under the sea

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 05, 2015 7:54 PM  

OT for Channel Puddle Paddle Battles (re: Fox in Socks), but On Topic for argumentative fun ---

Somebody on my Facebook feed today trotted out the "NRA is evilsss....look at all the money--XX millions they spend lobbying, filthy Repubs!"
I took out my lesson notes from Doctor Vox and gave the fella a dose of pseudo-dialectic right back. I dismissed his number with a raspberry (or a bronx cheer), and pointed him to some numbers given out by HIS side (OpenSecrets.org) that indicated that among the top spenders of influence on the US legislature, the NRA wasn't in the top 15.
Thanks, Vox!

Blogger SciVo October 05, 2015 8:32 PM  

Well done! Next time follow by hitting him with how shameful it is that our elected officials need to be lobbied to follow the Constitution, because of all the progressives lobbying them to break it. Then punch him again with how the American Civil Liberties Union is now the American Civil Rights Union, having abandoned the 1st Amendment for the 14th, since only conservatives still believe in freedom of religion, speech and association.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 05, 2015 9:21 PM  

"since only conservatives still believe in freedom of religion, speech and association."

This hasn't been true since at least 1964. Just suggest freedom of association as it applies to a private business and race and "conservatives" will break their necks opposing it so that people won't call them names.

Blogger SciVo October 05, 2015 9:35 PM  

I won't argue with you -- it would be more accurate to say that "liberals" don't even pretend to believe in liberty anymore, not that conservatives are better in practice -- but the intended target of that rhetoric would never even think of that counter, let alone say it out loud.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 05, 2015 9:41 PM  

Way OT

Neal Stephenson's Anathem is on sale for $1.99 in the Kindle Store.

Blogger Groot October 05, 2015 10:27 PM  

@38. James Dixon:

Many well wishes.

Blogger Joshua_D October 05, 2015 10:27 PM  

I'm sure their invasion was an act of "love", right Jeb!

OpenID Steve October 05, 2015 10:53 PM  

Why do politicians insist on turning the worlds western advanced democracies into refugee camps?

People that will always vote for more free stuff are the perfect voters, redistributing wealth lets politicians take their fair share.

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales @12: Anybody got any ideas, especially ones that also involve insulting him a whole bunch for his idiocy?

Point out the video of the Lee Rigby march has around the one min mark gays marching with the rainbow flag. If things are bad enough that puffs march with skinheads as far as you can go from shitistan, obviously there is a problem.


OT: progressive utopia:http://twitchy.com/2015/10/03/poor-hardest-hit-vox-writer-sets-course-for-progressive-utopia-with-list-of-wants/
Dylan Matthews
✔ ‎@dylanmatt
I want really high taxes on tobacco, alcohol, and sugar.
I want to ban human drivers ASAP.
And I want gun control.
It's not an either/or.
9:37 AM - 2 Oct 2015

Blogger Penrose October 05, 2015 11:46 PM  

Who could possibly be behind this? WHO?

Blogger Josh October 06, 2015 12:12 AM  

I'm prepared to go to Germany and target the invaders.

You can book a one way flight from LAX for $580.

What's stopping you?

Blogger Koanic October 06, 2015 12:20 AM  

He'll be the first to exercise the 2nd amendment in the 3rd reich. Sally fourth!

Blogger StrongCoffee61 October 06, 2015 12:40 AM  

As idiotic and suicidal as are the immigration policies here in the land rich U.S., the Western Europeans allowing a population mudslide through their borders is particularly destructive.

The Western Europeans have a high population density, small homes, and deep roots in their land.

We all know what's going to happen.
The non-White immigrants won't assimilate well and will be less peaceful and productive than the significantly mentally stronger White natives resulting in the Left scapegoating and demonizing the realistic and patriotic true Europeans.
The Left will demand that the extremely expensive unionized inefficient monopoly of government be expanded at the natives expense.

The true Europeans will respond to the increased tax burden and overcrowding by having fewer children while the dark immigrants will breed like rats.

Whites, worldwide, had better develop a strong racial solidarity against non-White immigration before the floodgates open for the inevitable Sub-Saharan African "humanitarian crisis" when their oil runs out.

By the way, here in America, the Left is increasingly referring to racially realistic White patriots as White Supremacists which raises a couple of interesting questions.

Why shouldn't the racial group which has contributed the overwhelming majority of blood, sweat, and brainpower to transform a primitive land into a prosperous first world nation be dominant in their own country?
And what's the alternative?

It's either White supremacy or dark supremacy.
It's either first world peace and prosperity or a darkened dumbed down mess with increased crime, overcrowding, cultural dislocation, and poverty.

Blogger SciVo October 06, 2015 12:50 AM  

Yes, we understand r/K selection. But how to encourage white women to have more babies with white men? That is the fundamental question, and feminism (a portmanteau of "female chauvinism") stands square in the way of it.

Blogger Rez Zircon October 06, 2015 2:38 AM  

VoxMath: Ouch.

Here in the company of students of war, it occurs to me to ask: Historically, how long does it usually take from the initial major waves of an invasion until it becomes a fullscale shooting war?

Blogger SciVo October 06, 2015 3:00 AM  

That depends on how much a people cares about preserving themselves. That's why you can expect the Hungarians and Finns to be as brutal as it takes: they're Finno-Ugrics who survived the Indo-Europeans. They clearly don't give a shit about being gentle with immigrants. Anyone who tries to move there is an ignorant fool.

Blogger SciVo October 06, 2015 3:35 AM  

Seriously, I'm a quarter Finnish and I've been warned that I would not be welcomed there as a half-German non-native. And Muslims want to try? It is to laugh.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 October 06, 2015 6:44 AM  

Someone told Trump about operation wetback and he's using it to good effect against the "it's not possible to deport them" libtards and cuckservatives.

OpenID Steve October 06, 2015 9:19 AM  

@60 Yes, we understand r/K selection. But how to encourage white women to have more babies with white men?

If you ever hear the phase "Once you go black" ask "why would you want to become a single mom". The huge equality push is so that white women will be willing to have lower IQ kids that can get into Harvard just for spelling their name/address right. If they knew their kid would be a standard deviation stupider they wouldn't willingly touch them.

Blogger FALPhil October 06, 2015 9:54 AM  

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Blogger Cail Corishev October 06, 2015 9:59 AM  

But how to encourage white women to have more babies with white men?

Steve Sailer calls it Affordable Family Formation. It's not complicated, you just make it cheaper and easier for people (preferably working people) to have families. Raise the child tax credit. Ease restrictions on home businesses (which make it easier for wives to stay at home and raise more kids while making a few bucks on the side). Make tax changes that encourage giving to your church -- churchgoers get married more and have more kids. Encourage home ownership -- in a sensible way, not the "moar no-money-down mortgages for minorities!" way. Those are a few ways off the top of my head.

A large part of the low marriage/birth rate comes from girls being told that kids are an anchor that should be put off as long as possible, so they should delay marriage so they can have fabulous careers and exciting affairs with painters in Paris first. But there are also real financial aspects to it, which could be addressed fairly easily by a political party that actually wanted to do so.

Blogger Zach October 06, 2015 10:11 AM  

by a political party that actually wanted to do so.

Aye, there's the rub.

Blogger JDC October 06, 2015 12:31 PM  

@38 - Glad to hear James. Continued prayers.

Blogger SciVo October 06, 2015 8:06 PM  

Thank you, Cail. Simple, practical and sensible. Directly addresses the r/K problem. I like it.

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