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Friday, October 16, 2015

Book club invite

The Goy Luck Club is reading SJWs Always Lie and has invited VP members to take part in the discussions if anyone is interested:
Vox Day, The Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil, has been is a science fiction writer for Castalia House, and was purged by the Science Fiction Writers of America by SJW’s for having naughty thoughts (sound familiar?). Since then, he has devoted part of his blogging to fighting back against the SJW’s in the Hugo Awards and in the Culture War. By organizing some of his readership, which he calls the Evil Legion of Evil, he is successfully getting SJW’s to burn down the Hugo Awards, a group that has been infested with SJW’s for 20+ years. He has accomplished this by getting them to vote for “No Award” for the various book awards, so the books he and his supporters nominate (The Sad Puppies slate) will not win the awards.

The book we will be reading is called SJW’s Always Lie.

For the first reading starting today (10/16/15) and ending next Friday (10/23/15), we will be reading chapters 1-5.
I will also be doing a closed Brainstorm event after the reading for those who take part and will be taking questions from readers about the book. And yes, speaking of a reading group, I do need to finish up the quizzes for A History of Strategy. And speaking of SJWs Always Lie, this review from M-Zed is both characteristic and extremely complimentary, considering:
Even Despite Our Differences, A Strong Book
By Michael Z. Williamson on October 15, 2015

I review this as an ardent anti-Voxxer, who has argued with him many times. The man is a troll, a self-aggrandizing narcissist, and woefully ignorant of science.

However, in the field of philosophy and debate, there are few better in this market. He understands clearly the tactical use of dialectic and rhetoric, and that arguing facts against someone who refuses to accept them is pointless.

The key to arguing with such people is to recognize, evade, and turn their own tactics upon themselves, so they are forced into their own corners. And, may I suggest, it's very useful for dealing with annoying exes who attempt to obfuscate at every opportunity.

It is well worth the money to learn how to debate with the unreasonable.
It's wonderful to have fans and supporters, but there are few compliments more sincere or satisfying than one from a dedicated foe. Obviously M-Zed and I have our differences, a considerable quantity of differences, but what I like about him is that he's not afraid to speak his mind, for better or for worse.

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30 Comments:

Blogger Dave October 16, 2015 12:43 PM  

SCIENCE

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 16, 2015 1:03 PM  

Okay that's impressive. I know Mad Mike isn't joking. He can't stand Vox.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 16, 2015 1:03 PM  

The only things I know about Michael Z. Williamson are:

* He writes quality mil-sci-fi. FREEHOLD is one of my all-time favourites.

* He looks like my crazy uncle Mike, who gave me nunchuks for my 8th birthday and told me not to tell Mum. He also let me drive his car, told me Oriental girls have "squinty fannies", and sent me hand-drawn comic strips about his adventures in prison.

Best uncle ever.

I didn't know Michael Z. Williamson had a difference of opinion with the Supreme Dark Lord, but fair play to him for leaving an honest review.

Blogger Dave October 16, 2015 1:05 PM  

For someone that claims to read your blog he's a little lax on some details; sci-fi writer for CH, Sad Puppies, Evil Legion of Evil not VFM

Still it is more recognition for SJWAL and another way to spread the word. Did you happen to let them know the paperback is being printed right now?

Blogger Dave October 16, 2015 1:11 PM  

Steve, that's what uncles do; doesn't make them crazy. Well aside from spending time in prison, unless perhaps he was visiting your sticky fingers mother there.

Blogger Daniel October 16, 2015 1:15 PM  

"Woe, woe, woe to the ignorant of Science, because the remaining errors of evolution shall demonstrate that the global warming consensus is sound! Great and eternal is Science, and may we ever worship at the practice of her Method!”

Being ignorant of science is like being ignorant of Swahili. If you happen to need it, that sucks for you, but if you don't (99.99999% of the time), it is trivia; certainly not a character flaw.

You would think the old Z. might notice the logical goof in recognizing Vox's mastery of philosophy while missing his literacy in science. As science is a direct subset of philosophy, it is a rare bird who masters even a portion of the greater art while remaining "woefully" ignorant of the lesser.

Blogger Dave October 16, 2015 1:28 PM  

Well said Daniel. M-Zed would have more credibility if he was to say Vox doesn't bow to the alter of scientistry rather than claim his ignorance of SCIENCE

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 16, 2015 1:31 PM  

Dave - Nah, she got off with a caution.

Uncle Mike got sent down after he stole a police car, drove off, pulled up next to another police car at traffic lights, made obscene gestures to the coppers, then raced them down the high street.

In hindsight, it was a bit rash.

OpenID GoyToy October 16, 2015 1:34 PM  

Dave,

I read the site every day, and have for about a year but I'm not as well versed in the lingo since I'm just a spectator. Let me know if there are any other mistakes I made in the post so I can correct them.

For anyone that's interested, you can log into the forum page through disqus. There is a chat feature, so if you have any questions just chat me and I'll be more than happy to help.

Big thanks to Vox for all the help with this, and to everyone here fighting the good fight, and making SJW's pull out their hair daily.

Blogger McChuck October 16, 2015 1:37 PM  

@6 - Science is less a subset of philosophy than it is of gastronomy. Therefore, any master chef is obviously a talented scientist.
Makes at least as much sense - at least cooking is a form of chemistry.

Natural philosophy is what there was before people started actually studying cause and effect and keeping records.

Blogger Joel #0164 October 16, 2015 1:40 PM  

Vox has so many titles and has accomplished so many things that it's not that difficult to mix things up a bit.

Blogger Dave October 16, 2015 1:47 PM  

Steve was your uncle roleplaying a movie character? A whole genre of movies is built around those same actions.

OpenID Steve October 16, 2015 1:48 PM  

Steve, that's what uncles do; doesn't make them crazy.

When I visited around Easter I hid bags of candy in the back of my sister's minivan with a note from the Easter bunny, since she doesn't let them have much sweets.-bgs

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 16, 2015 1:59 PM  

Dave, he wanted to be Bo or Luke from the Dukes of Hazzard. He even got a custom horn for his Ford Escort XR3i. It blared the first few bars of Dixie. He used to blast it in appreciation every time he drove past "quality fanny".

Blogger Dave October 16, 2015 2:00 PM  

GoyToy, first of all great choice on selecting SJWAL for your book club. I know they will enjoy reading it.

I can relate to your mention of "lingo". Before I read SJWAL I was in the same boat re gamergate

Blogger Desiderius October 16, 2015 2:05 PM  

"there are few compliments more sincere or satisfying than one from a dedicated foe"

But where's the man, who counsel can bestow,
Still pleas'd to teach, and yet not proud to know?
Unbias'd, or by favour or by spite;
Not dully prepossess'd, nor blindly right;
Though learn'd, well-bred; and though well-bred, sincere;
Modestly bold, and humanly severe?
Who to a friend his faults can freely show,
And gladly praise the merit of a foe?

Pope, Essay on Criticism

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 16, 2015 2:07 PM  

told me Oriental girls have "squinty fannies"

British or American definition?

OpenID GoyToy October 16, 2015 2:14 PM  

Dave: That's how I ended up here was through GG. I stopped following it when it look like GG was going to be co-opted by SJW's. I remember the calls for "Positive PR" from GG, and Vox's model was much more "I don't care what you think", which is why I stuck around.

Blogger Gaiseric October 16, 2015 3:12 PM  

told me Oriental girls have "squinty fannies"

British or American definition?


Either way, I'm struggling a little to imagine exactly what that means...

Blogger MidKnight (#138) October 16, 2015 3:14 PM  

I've enjoyed Mikes Freehold, his "Weapon" books, as well as the rest of his work in that universe.

That said, I've also dealt with narcissists, borderlines, etc. in my past, and Vox has several qualities that exclude him from that company (though I think even he's admitted to arrogant). Most fundamentally, having seen him cop to being wrong or making a mistake on something consequential.

THAT said, I would gladly sit down for a beer with him - even more so now after seeing him give an honest and funny review of SJW's always lie despite his animosity.

Blogger Koanic October 16, 2015 3:42 PM  

OT: You guys misunderstand the appeal of The Goblin Emperor. It was a cautionary morality tale against miscegenation and half-blood princes. The Emperor immediately set about undermining those social institutions necessary to the survival of the society whilst cozying up to traditional enemies. Classic pattern of allying with far against near. Great companion to SJWs Always Lie.

"Order is boundaries.

By putting boundaries on human desires, a functional civilization can channel them productively. Of course, when you do this, there’s a constant tension in your society and in every person.

It’s like a dam with water pooled up behind it.

Breaking down boundaries is tremendously fun, and provides a massive release of energy. Very exciting and titillating, and who can really prove that we need all those old superstitions? Only afterwards do people slowly realize that there are irreversible consequences"

http://blog.jim.com/culture/republican-party-funds-the-sale-of-baby-meat/#comment-1135448
http://blog.jim.com/politics/neoreaction-and-identitarianism/#comment-766252

I begin to believe that some science fetishists are simply incapable of abstraction, ie their cognitive style is always induction versus deduction. Occipital versus parietal.

Both. The downside of roundeye - hotdog in a hallway.

Blogger James Dixon October 16, 2015 4:21 PM  

> The man is a troll, a self-aggrandizing narcissist, and woefully ignorant of science.

You know, I can see how someone could reach the first two judgments with a casual reading of Vox's writings, but ignorant of science? Vox knows as much about science as I do, and I'm an engineering major. Simply put, Williamson is wrong.

Blogger cavalier973 October 16, 2015 6:53 PM  

To the Darwinoid, any questioning of the Dogma is solid evidence of ignorance. Even though your average Creationist probably has spent more time studying, and therefore has a better understanding of the Molecules to Man Evolutionary Hypothesis than Dawkins, Harris, and Nye put together.

OpenID ymarsakar October 16, 2015 7:11 PM  

Obviously M-Zed and I have our differences, a considerable quantity of differences, but what I like about him is that he's not afraid to speak his mind, for better or for worse.

Allies are useful based on how consistent they are (mutual objectives or interests) and what they bring to the table in terms of tactics, strategy, and logistics.

An alliance was never based around who can kiss up to the popular members the best.

And in that sense, it's not necessary to agree with VoxDay. It's only necessary to recognize what the RoE for allies and enemies should be. One should not get it wrong, after all, come the Day.

Blogger VFM #0202 October 16, 2015 7:23 PM  

@10 On the transition from Aristotelian natural philosophy to empiricism: http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Modern-Science-Middle-Ages/dp/0521567629

Observing centuries of struggle to reach our modern notions of such a seemingly simple thing as motion makes me better appreciate the giants' shoulders we unknowingly stand on.

The tools we use to think with weren't always obvious.

Blogger Robert What? October 16, 2015 7:37 PM  

Is it an evil book club?

OpenID Steve October 16, 2015 8:02 PM  

Oriental girls have "squinty fannies"British or American definition?Either way, I'm struggling a little to imagine exactly what that means.

Like how their eyes are slanted he was referring to different body part, let Dennis Leary say it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

Blogger Desiderius October 16, 2015 8:03 PM  

ymarsakar,

"And in that sense, it's not necessary to agree with VoxDay."

If all goes well, I hope to one day be his worthy adversary.

We are far from that day.

Blogger bob k. mando October 16, 2015 8:43 PM  

VD
Obviously M-Zed and I have our differences, a considerable quantity of differences



so, is whatcher sayin is, it's NOT just the tip?


3. Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 16, 2015 1:03 PM
I didn't know Michael Z. Williamson had a difference of opinion with the Supreme Dark Lord



regardless of whatever differences Williamson has with Vox, he's rather a bit too fixated on the subject of male circumcision.

he got his ass handed too him in the comments when he kept trying to say that circumcised men are "permanently crippled" and will never properly enjoy sex.

the only problem for Mike was that we had two DIFFERENT posters pop in and say that they had had adult circumcisions *for medical reasons* and that after they had healed up they really couldn't tell a difference in sensation. ( i wouldn't know if i was missing anything, i was infant circumcised, just as an adult uncut isn't qualified to testify that he has MORE sensation )

kinda holes your theory below the water line when your only possible response to something like that is, "youse be lyin". especially when their testimony AGREES WITH THE MEDICAL LITERATURE.

haven't seen him round these parts since.

Blogger Michael Maier October 16, 2015 11:40 PM  

I'm confused... is there going to be a Voxiversity for "A History of Strategy"???

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