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Thursday, October 15, 2015

Churchian cucks preaching Babelism

Terrible theology + kissing the world's unwiped backside leads to cucky Churchians preaching the gospel of Babel:
As the Senate recently passed long awaited immigration overhaul and the bill now heads to the House, the long-standing national discourse on the issue of immigration will likely heat up again. As we participate in these discussions, my hope is that we, especially as Christians tasked with peacemaking and reconciling, will find ways to build bridges instead of erecting walls. As a first step in this bridge building, I pray that once and for all, we will stop using the term “illegal immigrant.”
Here's why:

1. The term “illegal immigrant” is a misleading and dishonest term, which violates the 9th commandment.

2. The term “illegal” singles out those who committed one, specific, federal misdemeanor, but is never applied to other violations.

3. The term “illegal immigrant” has morphed into a racial epithet.

4. The term “illegal immigrant” cultivates hostility, animosity, and mistrust against our neighbors.

5. The term “illegal immigrant” is dehumanizing.   
  1. No, it does not. In fact, the author is lying. "Illegal immigrant" is an accurate and honest term that precisely describes the status of the individual so described.
  2. Considering that my father is often described as "a tax evader", this is obviously false. Most "murderers" are not serial killers, after all.
  3. No, it hasn't. What race does "illegal immigrant" refer to?
  4. No, immigration, especially illegal immigration, cultivates hostility, animosity, and mistrust against our neighbors. 
  5. This is ridiculous. Only humans are described as "illegal immigrants". I have never heard of migrating birds being described that way.
Churchians are liars and deceivers. They worship the god of Babel, not the Christian God. They serve the world, not Jesus Christ.

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149 Comments:

Blogger Azimus October 15, 2015 12:06 PM  

I am totally OK with renaming "illegal immigrants." Would the term "criminal" simplify the confusion?

Blogger Stingray October 15, 2015 12:09 PM  

Anyone remember when they were called illegal aliens and that was considered "bad" for all of the same reasons as above? More changing of words to make destruction that much easier.

Blogger Gaiseric October 15, 2015 12:09 PM  

@1. Invading hordes works better. In the near future, I wouldn't be surprised to see "enemy combatant" become an accurate term.

Blogger Rabbi B October 15, 2015 12:12 PM  

"As we participate in these discussions, my hope is that we, especially as Christians tasked with peacemaking and reconciling, will find ways to build bridges instead of erecting walls."

I am all for erecting walls and strapping a sword on my side for good measure. If it was good enough for Nehemiah, it's good enough for me.

Tasked with peacemaking and reconciling? Tasked by whom? Violates the ninth commandment? These people are certifiable.

Blogger Viisaus October 15, 2015 12:12 PM  

The pious Jews revolted against pagan multiculturalism (or monoculture) in the Maccabean uprising. Deutero-canonical 1 Book of Maccabees shows us what triggered this revolt:

1 Maccabees 1:41-48

“Antiochus now issued a decree that all nations in his empire should abandon their own customs and become one people. All the Gentiles and even many of the Israelites submitted to this decree. They adopted the official pagan religion, offered sacrifices to idols, and no longer observed the Sabbath.

The king also sent messengers with a decree to Jerusalem and all the towns of Judea, ordering the people to follow customs that were foreign to the country. He ordered them not to offer burnt offerings, grain offerings, or wine offerings in the Temple, and commanded them to treat Sabbaths and festivals as ordinary work days. They were even ordered to defile the Temple and the holy things in it. They were commanded to build pagan altars, temples, and shrines, and to sacrifice pigs and other unclean animals there. They were forbidden to circumcise their sons and were required to make themselves ritually unclean in every way they could, so that they would forget the Law which the Lord had given through Moses and would disobey all its commands. The penalty for disobeying the king’s decree was death.”

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 15, 2015 12:16 PM  

It's Sojourners, Vox. I think they are the same people from the 1970's who made that hippie globalist rag the Post-American. They worship SocJus over God and have done so since day one. SJW entrysts masquerading as Christians.

Blogger IM2L844 October 15, 2015 12:22 PM  

Cuckservatives would have U.S. Customs and Border Protection handing out participation trophies to illegal immigrants on behalf of the collective.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 October 15, 2015 12:22 PM  

Illegal immigrant is horrible because it, along with undocumented worker assign a state of mind to the person committing the illegal act. Illegal alien is the only correct term when discussing these people in the general sense.

OpenID thursdayman October 15, 2015 12:23 PM  

If they want to go with MIGRANT, how about

"Criminal Migrant"

Blogger Rabbi B October 15, 2015 12:24 PM  

"Illimigrant"

Blogger 2Bfree October 15, 2015 12:25 PM  

would "Unrepentant Sinner" work instead of illegal alien. I mean they clearly are in open violation of the law, and just as "unrepentant sinners" cannot be forgiven, neither should criminal foreign nationals.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 12:26 PM  

No, it hasn't. What race does "illegal immigrant" refer to?

Clearly those damn Canadians!

Blogger Starbuck October 15, 2015 12:27 PM  

You know, maybe the people that are demanding illegals be bestowed citizenship in this country be automatically sent to the country of the illegals origin. Kind of like a one-for-one swap. Perhaps the illegal would be a whole lot easier to deal with if we didn't have these bleeding heart dandies to keep running their mouths and encouraging the government to grab more power.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 15, 2015 12:28 PM  

How about instead of "illegal immigrant" we call them "foreign invaders"?

Blogger kh123 October 15, 2015 12:30 PM  

From the photo in the linked article:

"Do I look illegal?"

You look primed to join the crowd and riot once the next Barabbas isn't symbolically cleared of all charges. Or if the Lakers lose.

Or win. Either way.

Blogger JDC October 15, 2015 12:33 PM  

Sojourners: Who We Are

Committed to racial and social justice, life and peace, and environmental stewardship. Committed to racial and social justice, life and peace, and environmental stewardship.


Don't need to read anymore. If they are truly sojourners, then I excitedly await the termination of their temporary stay here.

Blogger Mint October 15, 2015 12:36 PM  

Vox's response number 5 got me burst out laughing in the middle of the night.

Lately, it's been grim and doom news around here, but somehow laugh can steal a moment or two. Thanks Vox.


Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 12:37 PM  

I pray that once and for all, we will stop using the term “illegal immigrant.”

Your father hears you...

Blogger Salt October 15, 2015 12:38 PM  

It is an ongoing illegal act so long as the criminal remains in-country. To witness otherwise is to witness falsely. How the stupid burns with these... people.

Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 12:39 PM  

It is an ongoing illegal act so long as the criminal remains in-country.

Exactly. It is used only while the crime is in progress. After the crime, it would be like any other crime. It's on your record, but it's not the defining thing about you.

Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 12:43 PM  

I'm an alien
I'm a legal alien
I'm an Englishman in New York


There is nothing dehumanizing about the term. You have citizenship, you're a citizen. You don't have citizenship but you have legal permission to be in the country, you're a legal alien. You don't have citizenship nor legal permission, you're an illegal alien.

Blogger Salt October 15, 2015 12:45 PM  

"Their crime is crossing the border at the improper time and place; however, they are not currently doing anything that is illegal."

There's no such thing as a rapist once the pecker ain't in the hole. Lovely.

Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 12:48 PM  

Salt, you read it wrong. You are not a rapist while the pecker is in the hole either. You were only a rapist during that one second while your percker transitioned from the outside to the inside. After that, it's all good.

Blogger Rantor October 15, 2015 12:49 PM  

What I posted over there...

My wife is an immigrant. We went through the legal process to marry and live together in the US. We expect others to do the same. Those who come here in violation of the law are illegal immigrants. Some may have good reason, some, like the literally thousands of members of MS-13 do not. You may live in denial about the goodness of all immigrants, but some of us do not. We oppose mass migration because it increases poverty among the poor, changes the nation in ways both calculated and unpredictable, and lays a burden upon an already stressed economy. (Real unemployment is over 20% and much higher for inner city youth. US 2015 deficit is almost half a trillion and the national debt is over $18 trillion. We or our children will pay for this and it will probably be by the biggest deflationary depression anyone has ever seen.)



By accepting mass immigration you are accepting unimaginable costs on the US public, costs you will be unable to pay except by stealing money from others. I think there is a commandment about that somewhere...

Blogger Jehu October 15, 2015 12:50 PM  

I like the Israeli term, illegal infiltrators

Blogger Raghnall Ó Mordha October 15, 2015 12:55 PM  

I agree. We shouldn't use "Illegal Immigrant". The term is "Illegal Alien". Or, more to the point, "Enemy Alien".

As far as the term "Illegal Immigrant" violating the 9th commandment, I disagree. It is not false witness. It is the truth. Should the author want to get into a theological discussion of the 9th commandment, he is welcome to contact me.

Fr. Ronald Moore+

Blogger Lost Pilgrim October 15, 2015 12:57 PM  

Ok, I'll quit using the term illegal immigrant. I'll use 'criminal invader' or 'illegal'.

Both are accurate.

Blogger Salt October 15, 2015 12:57 PM  

[Tips hat @ Markku]

Blogger Anchorman October 15, 2015 12:57 PM  

The sign, "Do I look illegal" is typical reframe.

It's a criminal matter, not an appearance matter.

Blogger Lost Pilgrim October 15, 2015 12:59 PM  

Oh and as to the 9th commandment. That whole line of reasoning is a lie. By their fruits you shall know them. He's so full of lies he has no room for the Truth.

Blogger Harry Spitz October 15, 2015 1:00 PM  

I think "Invading Barbarian" is a far more accurate term. Most of them come here to latch on to benefits and have no intention of contributing or assimilating.

In any case, the real question that should be addressed by all immigration legislation:
What do these immigrants bring that our Republic or its Citizens need?

From what I can tell, the answer is pretty much "Nothing." We have no frontiers to populate. Our growing industries are not crying out for their semi- or unskilled labor in the face of zero unemployment (They ARE crying out for their SUBSIDIZED labor to transfer their expenses to the taxpayer...). They bring no skills or talents that we need.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 October 15, 2015 1:02 PM  

I see what you did there

OpenID genericviews October 15, 2015 1:04 PM  

i don't really care what they call them as long as they are all deported and prevented from ever returning.

Blogger Krul October 15, 2015 1:04 PM  

"1. The term “illegal immigrant” is a misleading and dishonest term, which violates the 9th commandment.

2. The term “illegal” singles out those who committed one, specific, federal misdemeanor, but is never applied to other violations."


It's a special combination of stupidity and slimy immorality that: 1) blatantly lies while condemning "dishonesty" in an act of brainless hypocrisy, and then 2) immediately gives away the lie by admitting that they have committed a crime and therefore "illegal" is not misleading or dishonest at all.

Blogger Jill October 15, 2015 1:07 PM  

So f*cking tired of the manipulation--Christians and their nice political posturing being used for globalization. Have had the Good Samaritan morality lecture more than once now. But shall we look at the story again? The Samaritan (a foreigner) helped a beaten man by leaving him in an inn in his own land and paying for medical care. Then he left. He didn't invite the beaten man back to his house. He said he would send money for further care.

Blogger IM2L844 October 15, 2015 1:17 PM  

I think "Invading Barbarian" is a far more accurate term.

"Savages" has proven to be a more effective rhetorical device in the past.

Blogger John October 15, 2015 1:21 PM  

The irony: this scold, after presuming to tell actual followers of Christ how to behave, starts his list of reasons why we should listen to him with a blatant lie. Turns out he attends Fuller. There was a time when Fuller Theological Seminary wasn't a convenient red flag for identifying heretics, but that's long past. I've watched too many friends, men I thought were solid Christians who would withstand the pressure, go in there and come out changed into SJWs of various flavors.

Blogger VD October 15, 2015 1:22 PM  

The sign, "Do I look illegal" is typical reframe.

To which the proper response is: "yes, you look like a child molester."

I doubt it will catch on, but "crimmigrant" would also work.

Blogger Salt October 15, 2015 1:28 PM  

They're rapeigrants, Vox. They illegally penetrate and remain inside.

Blogger Harry Spitz October 15, 2015 1:31 PM  

@36.
Possibly, but I am looking at the term in more of a historical rather a rhetorical context.

Blogger maniacprovost October 15, 2015 1:40 PM  

International Rapist?

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 1:41 PM  

What is a Churchian?

OpenID Steve October 15, 2015 1:41 PM  

No, it hasn't. What race does "illegal immigrant" refer to?

While bath house barry was letting in gangbangers with MS-13 facial tats, a blond Cambridge graduate who speaks 5 languages, & is married to US marine Veteran was arrested for crossing the border. Just like the democraps had to send jackboots to eject Elian Gonzalez from the US because he was from the right side of the bell curve.
http://www.alipac.us/f9/video-ms-13-gang-members-allowed-into-u-s-wife-marine-veteran-thrown-prison-306450-print/

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 1:45 PM  

@1 Azimus
I am totally OK with renaming "illegal immigrants." Would the term "criminal" simplify the confusion?
---

How about
Invaders
bums
leaches
@#$)*(#@$)*!!!

Blogger CM October 15, 2015 1:47 PM  

It's Sojourners, Vox. I think they are the same people from the 1970's who made that hippie globalist rag the Post-American. They worship SocJus over God and have done so since day one. SJW entrysts masquerading as Christians.

I had never seen this blog before. This article was shared by a friend who I've had a couple discussions on SocJus with before. After spending the last week reading more of their stuff while curbing a desire to vomit all over it, I've come to the conclusion they are not Christian.

Luckily, they don't appear to be well read. Low subscription numbers and hardly any commentors.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 1:49 PM  

@12 Josh
No, it hasn't. What race does "illegal immigrant" refer to?

Clearly those damn Canadians!
----

Canexicans!

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 1:51 PM  

@22 Salt
"Their crime is crossing the border at the improper time and place; however, they are not currently doing anything that is illegal."

There's no such thing as a rapist once the pecker ain't in the hole. Lovely.
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+1

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 1:54 PM  

@30 Lost Pilgrim
Oh and as to the 9th commandment. That whole line of reasoning is a lie. By their fruits you shall know them. He's so full of lies he has no room for the Truth.
---

It dawns on me that SJWs base most of their lives on violating the 9th commandment.

Blogger hadley October 15, 2015 1:57 PM  

So don't call them "illegal immigrants". It is a pussy cuckservative term anyway.

Call them by their official name: "illegal aliens".

I don't give a d@mn what their intentions are. I don't care if they over s taped their tourist visa by a day, are planning to work here illegally for a summer, or whether they intend to settle down.

They are aliens (non-citizens) and they are here without permission (illegal).

Their intentions are moot.

Blogger Patrick Kelly October 15, 2015 2:01 PM  

I prefer "migrant invader".

Not all they are preaching:

ABORTIONBLESSINGS

Blogger Sheila4g October 15, 2015 2:15 PM  

I found some interesting commentary at a blog I visit (she's gone a bit nuts re 9/11 and various conspiracies and is exceptionally Catholic, but is generally solid on women and family issues). While she's writing specifically about Bergoglio's church, her prose describes cuckservatives and churchianism perfecty:

"Beneath this conflict is basic agreement and adherence to a system of beliefs that is man-centered, not Christ-centered. . . more conservative churches . . . providing some with an illusory oasis of sorts, but nevertheless are part of the same sect because they do not reject the principle by which these differences are tolerated or the heretics in power. . . the protests at the synod are meaningless. In the end, they amount to theater and smoke which distract the clueless into thinking that what is happening isn’t really happening. Modernism is, above all else, confusion and doublespeak. The fog never lifts."

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 2:17 PM  

In what universe has Sojourners ever been anything but SJW?

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 15, 2015 2:19 PM  

Illegal alien is the actual legal term found in the Immigration Reform Act of 1965.

Blogger John Wright October 15, 2015 2:26 PM  

When did the Orwellians stop using the term 'illegal alien'? I seem to recall that that paragon of Democrat party leadership, LBJ, used the term 'Wetback'.

Blogger CDM October 15, 2015 2:30 PM  

Benjamin Corey is a two-time graduate of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary and current Doctor of Missiology student at Fuller. He is the dad of two girls adopted from Peru..."

Naturally.

Blogger John Wright October 15, 2015 2:31 PM  

It is at times like this I wish for the return of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith to secular power, so we can start burning heretics again.

Christ and His disciples taught unambiguously to obey the civic magistrates in all things except when they commanded the worship of idols. The idea of decriminalizing illegality is the opposite of sacred and ancient Christian teaching two thousand years old and counting.

And as for those who would call on Christ to support their local and parochial political causes, to hell with them. Using the name of the Lord in vain also violates a commandment.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 2:35 PM  

It is at times like this I wish for the return of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith to secular power, so we can start burning heretics again.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition...

Blogger Brad Andrews October 15, 2015 2:38 PM  

Sojourners are definitely not conservitive or thus cuckservative in the slightest. They have been and remain quite left wing and SJW to the core. I remember coming across them in the college in the early 1980s and they were pushing the tripe then.

Your points are accurate VD, but they are not cuckservatives by definition.

Blogger CM October 15, 2015 2:40 PM  

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition...

Actually, they do. Why they don't expect The Alamo but do expect the Spanish Inquisition is beyond me.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 2:41 PM  

Christ and His disciples taught unambiguously to obey the civic magistrates in all things except when they commanded the worship of idols.

Can you provide some verses where they taught this?

OpenID eidolon1109 October 15, 2015 2:43 PM  

Wouldn't this genius's argument apply equally to the term "sinner"? Is it really fair to label all humans simply by the fact that we fail? Isn't that dehumanizing, like calling a person simply "Failure"? Doesn't "no one is righteous, no, not even one" create distrust with our neighbors?

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 2:50 PM  

Wouldn't this genius's argument apply equally to the term "sinner"? Is it really fair to label all humans simply by the fact that we fail? Isn't that dehumanizing, like calling a person simply "Failure"? Doesn't "no one is righteous, no, not even one" create distrust with our neighbors?

I'm not sure Sojourners still believes in sin. The only sin they recognize is intolerance.

Blogger Jew613 October 15, 2015 2:52 PM  

In Israel the illegals are called infiltrators. I think it works.

Blogger 334 October 15, 2015 2:56 PM  

@60. Josh

Perhaps John is thinking of Romans 13:1-7, where it is most explicitly set out, or maybe Titus 3:1. Acts 5:40-42 is the legitimate exception, but it's not when the worship of idols is commanded (though that one's obvious, and Daniel is our example there), but rather being commanded not to speak in the name of Jesus.

Blogger CM October 15, 2015 2:56 PM  

Wouldn't this genius's argument apply equally to the term "sinner"?

I actually used that in my response to this friend.

Its frustrating to figure him out. He's emotional and irrational, but fiercly loyal and encouraging. He is completely lacking discernment, but desperately desires God.

He is prime soil for SJWs to take advantage of without actually being one... yet.

Blogger darkdoc October 15, 2015 2:57 PM  

Sojourners has been around a long time (decades) and has always been SJW and liberal. This is very typical stuff for them.

Blogger 141 October 15, 2015 3:03 PM  

"The term “illegal immigrant” is a misleading and dishonest term"

Correct, immigrant carries the connotation of assimilation and consent.

A more precise term would be trespasser.


Blogger CarpeOro October 15, 2015 3:06 PM  

@ 50

The blessings of Baal have no sway over actual Christians. See the orthodox priest commentary from the article.

Blogger Jay Lucas October 15, 2015 3:10 PM  

Re: Josh
Can you provide some verses where they taught this?

I'm bible illiterate, but have you heard to expression render unto Ceaser? Wikipedia has a page on it at any rate. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar) Nothing leaps to mind about the second half about idols being an exception.

Blogger Rabbi B October 15, 2015 3:12 PM  

@69 Jay Lucas

"I'm bible illiterate . . ."

Well, in that case, you might consider playing to your strengths in the future.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 15, 2015 3:13 PM  

It has been said that "the first part of wisdom is to call things by their proper names".

If one takes this as true, then what is the necessary category of those refusing to call things by their proper names?

It is foolishness, and the Christian especially should take great care because scripturally there are only ever two classes of people and it is always very plain which class you want to be in and which not. To wit:

Sheep and Goats
Saved and Lost
Quick and Dead
Wheat and Tares
Virgins and Whores
Wise and Foolish

Technically, of course, one could argue that there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant, in the same way that a shoplifter is not a "non-traditional shopper". No, shopping involves an exchange, not theft.

Immigration involves a legal process. Once one crosses a border illegally one becomes a trespasser, and invader, a criminal. One cannot simultaneously be all that and an immigrant, or tourist, or refugee.

I'm an immigrant. I filled out the forms, paid the fees, documented the qualifications, and pay my taxes. I have taken nothing from my host nation's coffers. I will not be entitled to do so until I qualify for, and gain, citizenship; a lengthy and expensive process.

I resent strongly the notion that I am in the same class as criminal trespassers, and I despise the churchians who think that Christ would have called the money-lenders in his temple a "fiscal priesthood" out of Christian charity.

No, he would not.

He drove them out with the violence necessary to that task, an example sorely needed today.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 3:17 PM  

Also:

The idea of decriminalizing illegality is the opposite of sacred and ancient Christian teaching two thousand years old and counting.

But burning heretics is okay?

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 15, 2015 3:22 PM  

@69 And what it is that is Caesars?

Romans 13 is the 2nd most abused New Testament set of verses.

I read Benjamin Corey piece and then I noticed the web site. Then, I told myself never mind.

Blogger Michael E October 15, 2015 3:23 PM  

My late wife called it "Fuller cemetery. "

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 15, 2015 3:23 PM  


"But burning heretics is okay?"

No, it is far more than OK. It's fun for the whole family.

OpenID eidolon1109 October 15, 2015 3:24 PM  

When you get down to it, this is the same kind of argument that's used by moderns against all accurately descriptive negative terms.

Yet we as Christians worship a God who instructed that the words "whore" and "harlot" and "heathen" and "slanderer" and "liar" and "pervert" and "blasphemer" and "adulterer" and so on be used. We cannot, without rejecting that God, accept that the use of these terms is, in itself, evil.

Ironically, these people seem to have more of a problem with labeling a person as a doer of evil things than they have with the evil itself. The whole fiasco with the NBA owner guy who said allegedly racist things (which weren't racist) was bizarre -- people got worked up because he said allegedly racist things to his mistress, but they didn't care that he had a mistress. Being a traitor to the wife who pledged herself to him meant nothing to them, but saying something in private which, if said publicly, might conceivably hurt a very brittle minority person's feelings was the worst offense imaginable.

We must not, no matter what happens, allow ourselves to become like these people. And as sad as it may be we must reject those who would lie and say that our Lord would approve of their actions and statements. The sooner they admit that they are not really Christians (my God is a loving God!, etc.) the better for everyone.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 3:25 PM  

Then, I told myself never mind.

You chose...wisely

Blogger CM October 15, 2015 3:33 PM  

But burning heretics is okay?

Welll... when the state is your church, how else do you get rid of them?

When you get down to it, this is the same kind of argument that's used by moderns against all accurately descriptive negative terms.

YES! This.

Blogger jmarinara October 15, 2015 3:33 PM  

From the by-line below the article:

"a two-time graduate of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary and current Doctor of Missiology student at Fuller"

That... pretty much says it all.

Blogger McChuck October 15, 2015 3:37 PM  

Perhaps they would prefer us to use the equally accurate term 'Foreign Invaders'.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 3:38 PM  

No, it is far more than OK. It's fun for the whole family.

However, it is the opposite of sacred and ancient Christian teaching two thousand years old and counting.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 15, 2015 3:40 PM  

Churchians use religion as a cover to advance their Marxist agenda.

Blogger Krul October 15, 2015 3:43 PM  

@76 eidolon1109 - "When you get down to it, this is the same kind of argument that's used by moderns against all accurately descriptive negative terms.
...
Ironically, these people seem to have more of a problem with labeling a person as a doer of evil things than they have with the evil itself."


The second observation explains the first. They don't seem to have a problem with evil itself because they don't; they approve of it.

Those who wish to do evil have a vested interest in preventing negative appraisals. In order to get away with their own ugly shams, they condemn any exercise of human judgement and all objective standards.

Blogger Rabbi B October 15, 2015 3:57 PM  

@82 LBF

Churchians use religion as a cover to advance [any agenda other than G-d's].

We have no idea. The OP is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. (cf. Revelation 3)

Blogger HardReturn¶ October 15, 2015 3:59 PM  

This attempt to redefine the terms by declaring certain words taboo badthink is typical SJW. Hadn't thought of Sojourners for a long time, looks like still pushing impotent cross-less Gospel in a day and age when Christendom ain't got time for that.
What I'd like to hear are more throwback terms, the ones that were direct and concise. Just like it's inaccurate to use the generic word "homeless" when one is trying to differentiate the spectrum that includes "bum" and "wino" and "hobo" and "vagrant" and "tramp" and "derelict" so it's also inaccurate to use these diluted generic terms SJWs want when one is trying to differentiate between "marauder" (classic) and "invader" (textbook) and "cutthroat" (observable behavior), and "brigand" (my favorite, memories of Dark Tower).

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 15, 2015 4:11 PM  

I think Reconquistadors is a good name for them to replace illegal immigrants.

Blogger Converting Dollars into smoke October 15, 2015 4:14 PM  

I switched to using "Criminal Migrants" several years ago.

Blogger Michael October 15, 2015 4:17 PM  

He's right. We shouldn't use the term "illegal immigrant", its false and misleading. The correct term should be "illegal alien" or perhaps "covert invader".

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 15, 2015 4:18 PM  

Throughout Judges, Samuel, and Kings, I never knew Israel was being told by the LORD to allow the Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, and Arameans to come in and take over.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 15, 2015 4:18 PM  

Throughout Judges, Samuel, and Kings, I never knew Israel was being told by the LORD to allow the Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, and Arameans to come in and take over.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 15, 2015 4:40 PM  

Josh,

you're being deliberately obtuse.

Mr Wright never advocated burning heretics, and you know it.

Argue his actual case or have a nice cup of shut the fuck up.

Blogger John Wright October 15, 2015 4:40 PM  

"But burning heretics is okay?"

We merely turn offenders over to the secular arm. And, no, for the first thousand years of Christian history, we burned no one. That was an innovation of the early modern period, brought into full fruition by nationalism and the idolatrous worship of kings and of popular will.

I am not saying the Church is without fault. I am saying this is a fault where she followed the world into error, and not a fault where the world was led into error by her.

Blogger Civis Silas October 15, 2015 4:44 PM  

I am very sorry that they think that term is dehumanizing. I sincerely apologize for calling them the old, hateful term which requires no further mention. Henceforth, I shall refer to these people as Undocumented Invaders.

Blogger Noah B #120 October 15, 2015 4:45 PM  

"There's no such thing as a rapist once the pecker ain't in the hole. Lovely."

Calling people rapists is dehumanizing.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 4:46 PM  

you're being deliberately obtuse.

By directly quoting another comment in this thread?

Mr Wright never advocated burning heretics, and you know it.

You can interpret his words however you would like.

It is at times like this I wish for the return of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith to secular power, so we can start burning heretics again.

Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 4:47 PM  

Mr Wright never advocated burning heretics, and you know it.

I don't know it, and I believe he does want to burn heretics, in the literal sense.

Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 4:47 PM  

I also believe that includes me.

OpenID Steve October 15, 2015 4:48 PM  

Ironically, these people seem to have more of a problem with labeling a person as a doer of evil things than they have with the evil itself."

If most gays heard someone say "4 niggers killed a fagot in Philly" they would be more bothered by the words than the murder.
-BigGaySteve

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 4:48 PM  

We merely turn offenders over to the secular arm.

Much like the Pharisees did?

I don't see why a secular government should give a damn about an internal conflict of doctrine within a church. Historically, secular interference with the church ends badly.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 4:50 PM  

I also believe that includes me.

We do know that other members of Team Calvin wanted to burn you for heresy, according to the will of God, of course, as it was predestined and preordained.

Blogger John Wright October 15, 2015 4:51 PM  

@ Josh:

No, I never provided 'verses'. What do you think I am, a Reformer? I provide paragraphs in the catechism.

"2238 Those subject to authority should regard those in authority as representatives of God, who has made them stewards of his gifts."

"2242 The citizen is obliged in conscience not to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are contrary to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel."

This last is what I lumped together by the term idolatry: for it is state-worship to put the state over the moral laws of the universe.

And here is the part where the Catholics annoy the Right as well as the Left:

"2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."

The Right does not like that we are obligated to welcome the foreign refugee as a guest; the Left does not like that this obligation is subject to prudence on the part of the magistrate, and gratitude on the part of the huddled masses that are let in.

Blogger Noah B #120 October 15, 2015 4:52 PM  

"We do know that other members of Team Calvin wanted to burn you for heresy..."

They didn't really want to, it's not like they had a choice in the matter.

Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 4:52 PM  

No, in reality, we got along just fine. We were even willing to give you the password to the forum to look for yourselves, but nobody was willing to take our offer on that.

I have no reason to believe any of the rest of Team Calving holds violent tendencies towards my person, despite jocular pronouncements to the contrary.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 4:53 PM  

No, I never provided 'verses'. What do you think I am, a Reformer? I provide paragraphs in the catechism.

It's quite difficult to argue "Jesus taught this" without being able to reference exactly where He did so.

Blogger Noah B #120 October 15, 2015 5:00 PM  

"The Right does not like that we are obligated to welcome the foreign refugee as a guest..."

A guest acts with respect towards his host. An invader doesn't ask consent, and he simply takes what he wants. We are dealing with invaders, not guests.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 5:01 PM  

but nobody was willing to take our offer on that.

It wasn't God's will.

Blogger Markku October 15, 2015 5:02 PM  

Perhaps God does will y'all to be abject morons, but remember that I don't hold that God wills these things randomly, or in a vacuum. Perhaps your free will actions have given reason to.

Blogger FP October 15, 2015 5:11 PM  

I prefer to call them Xenos.

"But burning heretics is okay?"

Burn the heretic. Purge the unclean.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 15, 2015 5:12 PM  

I wonder what goes through the mind of someone like Corey when his wife and adopted daughters are being gangraped by the beneficiaries of his Christlike largesse.

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 5:14 PM  

I wonder what goes through the mind of someone like Corey when his wife and adopted daughters are being gangraped by the beneficiaries of his Christlike largesse.

"Can I watch?"

Blogger 334 October 15, 2015 5:15 PM  

@101. John Wright

Aw John, really? Paragraphs in the catechism?

*heaves a sigh of deep disappointment*

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 15, 2015 5:16 PM  

Cuckservative for a reason....

BTW I got my name back!

Blogger Josh October 15, 2015 5:19 PM  

BTW I got my name back!

Good to see that Blogger is no longer deadnaming you

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 15, 2015 5:22 PM  

I'm above the Upper Explosive Limit of shitlording, so I'm good.

Blogger Student in Blue October 15, 2015 5:32 PM  

Stepping away from whether or not burning heretics is right... is burning heretics even effective?

My initial thoughts were inconclusive. It'd have to be very, very clear, documented and unrepentant heresy. And even then, simple exile, branding as a heretic, and/or flogging may work just as well. If the process becomes filled with error, unclear, and abused, then there would be a large-scale panic thanks in part to the beaten horse of "those eeeeeevil crusades and inquisition!" in the public majority's schooling.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 15, 2015 5:44 PM  

Ineffective

Blogger Salt October 15, 2015 5:53 PM  

Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."

A GROUP of asylum seekers are SUING Germany for not allowing them to register asylum quick enough so they can access benefits, throwing the Government’s goodwill back in their faces.

Blogger Jay Lucas October 15, 2015 6:02 PM  

Ineffective

Depends on whether or not you need a boogeyman.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 15, 2015 6:04 PM  

@101 John Wright

"No, I never provided 'verses'. What do you think I am, a Reformer? I provide paragraphs in the catechism."

So glad I wad not drinking anyghing when I read it or my sinus cavity would have drowned.

Thanks for the laugh.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 15, 2015 6:09 PM  

"Persons a country cannot afford based upon skills revealed upon explanation for...arrival, strike, invasion?"

Nope.

Freebie Seeker?

Changing the language does not change the criminality of such actions regardless of whatever idiocy post Americant leadership throw at the American people to accept.

Blogger David October 15, 2015 6:20 PM  

If #3 is true, then who's fault is it?

Blogger S1AL October 15, 2015 6:22 PM  

@104 - Josh:

Matthew 22:21, Acts 23:5, 1 Peter 2:13-14, Romans 13:1 (on the civic duty of Christians)

Acts 5:29 (with regards to superseding authority)

Blogger Lost Pilgrim October 15, 2015 6:37 PM  

"2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

We reached peak capacity long ago. Our system for immigration is broken. We have too many. Each one adds to the inability to care for our own citizens. This says nothing at all about our ability to care for criminal invaders. We can compassionately return them to their country of origin. We can do what we can for them in their own nations.

However, as a nation we are suffering environmental, societal, and cultural damage by the massive numbers that have entered and remained illegally.

They are not immigrants and even if they were we are not obligated by the Church to take any more than we are capable of. Since we've reached our limits millions of illegal aliens ago, the subject is closed.

I speak as someone whose town with an official population of @3000 has about 3500 illegal aliens. Since they have arrived crime has skyrocketed including murder. Our common areas need constant maintenance. We've closed roads and limited access to prevent them from damaging and stealing our resources. Our social services are completely overburdened and they, in every single case I handle (and I handled hundreds) they lied in every single case to receive more aid than what they were due. Every. Single. Case. Some were so blatant that they would simply ask what was the maximum benefit and what did they need to say to receive it.

A friend I had was shot by them, I girl I knew growing up was stabbed and murdered leaving her toddler in her pool of blood. My own pregnant daughter was assaulted and nearly lost her baby.

I am just one person with his own story multiply that by millions. This nation has reached its carrying capacity and must digest what we can and return what we cannot and stop taking anybody for a few decades before we can return to normal.

Blogger epobirs October 15, 2015 6:50 PM  

The racism claim especially annoys me. I grew up in Southern California. If I couldn't tolerate people of Mexican ancestry I'd have exercised the option to go elsewhere long ago. Whenever this nonsensical charge has been leveled against me I've replied that I'd be no less displeased by a flood of Ukrainians entering the country unfiltered, despite both of my parents families tracing back to that region.

I have no doubt a steady trickle of Ukrainians, like so many other sources, could bring valuable human assets to this nation. There are some stunningly beautiful people and very high wattage brains in that population but there are also plenty who would swell the ranks of organized crime and the welfare rolls. These are my closest genetic relatives on the planet and I have no delusions of their superiority as a whole.

Blogger clk October 15, 2015 7:01 PM  

@101 John Wright...

Absolutely correct -- the RCC is neither liberal or conservative .. . many of the RCC beliefs are viewed as liberal (such as it obligations to social justice, mercy and charity to the poor), and other are conservative (such as stances on marriage, birth control etc) .. but these beliefs have existed within the RCC before terms such as liberal, conservative, SJW etc have existed.

It is also completely correct and in fact proper to quote the CCC when stating the beliefs of the RCC. The summation of the understanding of the beliefs of the RCC are completely contained within the CCC and thus only that which is defined within the CCC via its imprimatur are the official positions of the Church.

In the RCC tradition is it both sacred scripture AND sacred traditions that define our beliefs. It is also within RCC tradition that as the assemblers of the Christian Bible that the RCC is the sole interpreter of what scripture means as regards to the RCC and Catholics. As funny as this sounds to Protestants .. the RCC existed before the Christian bible , it was the RCC that selected from the larger catalog of writings those that represented the teachings that they received directly from Christ. Thus if you accept history, there is a logical argument to accept the RCC interpretations of the Bible as being the closest to the teachings of Christ, since only they were actually taught by Christ and selected the very texts based on the their understanding of what the text meant...and these understandings are explained in the CCC.

I personally see the hand of God in both RCC and Protestant faiths but there is a logic to the RCC positions. The Catholic faith is extremely rich, well thought out and consistent across time... its a thinking mans faith. I am not saying that its the only path to know God.. but its as sure a path as can be created by man.

Blogger Harry Spitz October 15, 2015 7:05 PM  

@101 John Wright

1. Illegal immigrants are not guests.
Guests come when they are welcome, respect and honor their host, then leave before their welcome expires.

2. "The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin."
Don't you mean "From each according to their ability; to each according to their need." Haven't you commie bastards ruined enough countries and killed enough people, yet?

Illegals Aliens come from countries THEY screwed up. They are opportunists seeking to prey on the charity and good nature of their hosts. They bring nothing their host nation or its citizens need or want, and have no intention of assimilating into their host's culture. Instead they want to make the same sort of cesspit out of the host country that they created in their own homes - and make the host pay for the privilege.
They invading barbarians and should be repelled violently.

Blogger Sean Carnegie October 15, 2015 7:09 PM  

Christ and His disciples taught unambiguously to obey the civic magistrates in all things except when they commanded the worship of idols.

Perhaps a quick perusal of Romans 13 is in order.

Blogger Desiderius October 15, 2015 7:10 PM  

"The Right does not like that we are obligated to welcome the foreign refugee as a guest"

Not at all. The vast majority are happy to show the utmost in hospitality during their imprisonment and/or deportation.

Blogger Joseph Maroney October 15, 2015 7:10 PM  

Vox: "Churchians are liars and deceivers. They worship the god of Babel, not the Christian God. They serve the world, not Jesus Christ."

Very true words, indeed. There's plenty of evidence, besides the dogma, that traces many churchian practices back to Babel. They're unaware of it because they've been duped by the prince of this world.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 7:16 PM  

@82 Laguna Beach Fogey
Churchians use religion as a cover to advance their Marxist agenda.
---

TY, was wondering if anyone answer.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar October 15, 2015 7:25 PM  

Charity is something you do personally at your own cost of time and money without grandstanding or wanting accolades. What the Old Poop and these socialist scum are doing is simply theft. You know, you can make a shitload of money pretending to help the poor. You can have a nice big house, a big car, a nice big salary, and all it costs you is other peoples' money. Don't bother bringing any fur coats or Winter clothing when you die however, cause that's still stealing.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 15, 2015 7:32 PM  

Are churchians truly calling this God's will?

Shame on many modern churches who reject and won't help their flock and turned their backs on the word of God.

Woe unto those who are above the law. Woe unto those who use the letter of the law against the poor and oppressed. Woe unto those use the power of pen against the innocent.

How dare these liars, woe unto you whom use the letter of law unjustly, woe unto to whom use the power of pen against what is sane, godly and right for civil society.

Mixing the national policies with more false religion is absurd yet instructive;

Don't newcomerinvaders know they are entering certain countries that will only enslave them into more dysfunction while they may wish to promote Allah or whomever?

Unless the globalist banks start with the loans and Keynesiancreditdebt from hell to assist all.

One should consider where the hand of international banking might be stirring trouble. If in the event a country goes BK in the midst of such a need for cash in the event where the invaded country exhausts all options of border enforcement, manpower and blockades.

Sure, send them to America. Another failed solution can't afford it, no more time for PC.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 15, 2015 8:07 PM  

@93 Civas Silas

That makes me think "untargeted invaders".

Blogger Rusty Fife October 15, 2015 8:19 PM  

101.  John Wright
WRT 2241: We're not prosperous, we are sinfully stealing our children's inheritance through borrowing . If any nation of the West wasn't catestrophically in debt, then they could consider taking on more migrants.

Blogger SciVo October 15, 2015 8:24 PM  

I like "international trespassers" as a polite term for the illegal alien friends of the person I'm talking to, "foreign colonists" for large quantities that won't assimilate (and don't want to), and "invading hordes" for mass migration.

Blogger Crude October 15, 2015 8:34 PM  

Churchians are liars and deceivers.

They are. I don't want this person to be part of my church. And yes, if it takes a wall to keep them out, I'll build it.

Blogger The Other Robot October 15, 2015 8:59 PM  

About as stupid as this

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 15, 2015 9:03 PM  

For all of you who holler romans 13 at first hat drop, define good that renders the government legitimate? There is no such thing as illegitikate authority but usurpation. Y'all may want to do a Bibile study on that subject. BTW, obedience to authority may be out of survival, until such time it can be opposed. To paraphrase the whole of Romans 13, choose the hill you wish to die on ... if you can.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 15, 2015 9:08 PM  

Re. illegal "guests"

The days of open range are over. That is the backdrop to a lot of the Biblical passages regarding the alien. When the alien was ordered to leave, leave they did ... or could be killed or enslaved.

Blogger The Original Hermit October 15, 2015 10:21 PM  

Being an international organization, the RCC isn't particularly concerned with borders. It neither gains nor loses a member anytime a Catholic or non catholic person crosses a border. As such, while it might have an opinion on the matter, it has no authority.

Blogger bornagainpenguin October 15, 2015 10:50 PM  

I personally refer to them as invaders, but if we're going to christianize the debate, why not refer to them as thieves and murderers?

John 10:1

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Then if it was not already clear enough Jesus reiterates it again later and defines the behavior of a thief or robber--they're destroyers and murders:

John 10:10a

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.

Blogger Groot October 15, 2015 11:06 PM  

@71. ScuzzaMan:
Nul acht funfzehn. Ich habe die Nase voll davon. Willkommen!

Blogger bw October 15, 2015 11:10 PM  

Eat, Pray, Cuck.

Blogger Groot October 15, 2015 11:21 PM  

With origins as "an inner-city neighborhood in Washington, D.C.," I suggest the organization has a monomania centered on being black, and everything it says is really about being black. Consider:

1. The term “X” is a misleading and dishonest term, which violates the 9th commandment. The Bible allows us to tell you how to talk: Never refer to us as being black, just gimmedats. And shut up.

2. The term “X” singles out those who committed one, specific, federal misdemeanor, but is never applied to other violations. I dindu nuffin. Shut up.

3. The term “illegal X” has morphed into a racial epithet. Complaining about crimminality is raciss. Shut up.

4. The term “X” cultivates hostility, animosity, and mistrust against our neighbors. Noticing that we're "X" is raciss. Shut your eyes, shut your mouth.

5. The term “X” is dehumanizing. Even we question our humanity. Shut up, shut up, shut up.

Blogger The Other Robot October 15, 2015 11:22 PM  

Casualties among the invaders in the invasion of Europe.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 16, 2015 12:42 AM  

The churches are so corrupted.
As a Christian it disgusts me.

My families church preaches White Genocide without reflection or conscience. If only the congregation grasped the evil that is actually being preached to them.

It is why I cannot be a part of that church.

You can picture what its like: There's never been a PC issue, third world fundraising drive, non-white apologetic or religious injustice somewhere that they don;t fret about.

But its never Christian, or white, or respectful of racial realities EXCEPT to raise the non-white to sainthood.

Laughingly contemptible.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 16, 2015 12:59 AM  

Groot is great.

All the ti... Well, regularly.

Blogger ray October 16, 2015 2:20 AM  

'Churchians are liars and deceivers. They worship the god of Babel, not the Christian God. They serve the world, not Jesus Christ.'


Hunt them down. They can call themselves anything they want except Christians. Or Hebrews.

Babel centers in America, but obviously is a global entity, and a spiritual system. Religious syncretism/idolatry, covetous materialism, worship of self(ies), 'equality' of the sexes . . . prominent elements of ancient Babylon. Well no I-phones of course.

Blogger ray October 16, 2015 2:35 AM  

'Perhaps a quick perusal of Romans 13 is in order.'


'And he said, Throw her down. So they threw her down; and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trod her under foot.' (2 Kings 9)

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