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Saturday, October 03, 2015

Denying supply and demand

The US Employment-Population Ratio and Labor Force Participation Rate continue to fall:
A record 94,610,000 Americans were not in the American labor force last month -- an increase of 579,000 from August -- and the labor force participation rate reached its lowest point in 38 years, with 62.4 percent of the U.S. population either holding a job or actively seeking one.
The EPR is down to 59.2 percent. Imagine how many of those 94.6 million Americans could find jobs, and how much their wages would rise, if the 59 million post-1965 immigrants were repatriated.

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76 Comments:

Blogger The Reactionary October 03, 2015 3:11 PM  

Business likes wages low, and wants them lower. Crack and smash the middle class!

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 03, 2015 3:28 PM  

Speaking of migrants, Vox, I just want to know how one conditions himself for the possibility of taking another's life in case said person ever has to deal with such vibrant yoots.

Blogger Rantor October 03, 2015 3:52 PM  

It is difficult to explain to Americans why we need to limit imports of both cheap workers and cheap goods. They don't seem to get the direct impact this has on good US jobs and US wages.

Blogger Salt October 03, 2015 4:13 PM  

You'll be accused of badfeelz and immigrant hate again, Vox. Gotta love it.

Blogger Shimshon October 03, 2015 4:20 PM  

It's interesting, because Bob Wenzel had pretty much the exact opposite reaction.

OpenID Steve October 03, 2015 5:24 PM  

Deport 30 million illegals doesn't create 30 million new jobs, because there would be less handing out taxpayer paid benefits social work jobs.-BGS

how one conditions himself for the possibility of taking another's life in case said person ever has to deal with such vibrant yoots

Just know that if they are willing to fight you they will do far worse to those weaker than you. Also muscle memory, you can take self defense courses. If you killed this guy he wouldn't have raped a 90yo white woman.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/ohio-teen-competent-for-trial-in-rape-of-woman-90

Blogger Jack Ward October 03, 2015 5:36 PM  

@1 Yes. Depress wages to make more money [a given business] then, wonder why so few are buying your products and why raising prices does not make up the difference. But, but, all those 'immigrants' why are they not buying stuff? They are sending it back to Mexico or getting drunk.

The fair tax would go a long way to correcting some of that imbalance; though, the ptb would probably just find more social giveaways for the increased tax revenues.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 03, 2015 5:45 PM  

I've employed hundreds of American white yoots, they all want a job, few want to work.
The entitlement mentality is almost universal, even among the white churchian yoots.
We have to overpay anybody who will show up & actually work, because the union work in SW Louisiana at the new plant construction will take anybody with a heartbeat.

When economists say that real wages have fallen in the last 30 years, it's probably in line with actual work output.
My company in Costa Rica pays $4/hour for bilingual skilled electricians, in La it's 7x that much.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 03, 2015 5:51 PM  

" I just want to know how one conditions himself for the possibility of taking another's life in case said person ever has to deal with such vibrant yoots."

Once a certain point is reached, the choice has already been made, by them.
To hesitate is to put yourself or your family in jeopardy.
"Pity spareth so many an evil thing"

OpenID Steve October 03, 2015 5:58 PM  

OT:Dang CNN turned Obama's son white & changed his name. Social media altered after the fact with screenshots.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/02/the-curious-case-of-oregon-shooter-chris-harper-mercer-a-social-media-profile-shaped-modified-and-deleted/#more-106796

Blogger Rusty Fife October 03, 2015 5:58 PM  

@8 Bob

$4/hr x 2000hr/yr = $8,000/yr
Median CR income = $3,740/yr
7 x $4/hr=$28/hr
$28/hr x 2000hrs/yr = $56,000/yr
Median US income = $51,400/yr

Sure, your Costa Rican electrician is making 2xmedian income and your Cajun is just over median while doing hot, dangerous work far from home. No comparison.

Blogger Mussorgsky112 October 03, 2015 6:05 PM  

OT:
Vox, you and your newest book were mentioned at the Mises Circle in Dallas today. The latter was recommended both by a guest (a Lutheran priest named Larry) and by Lee Rockwell himself.

Cheers,
Mussorgsky112

OpenID crash October 03, 2015 6:33 PM  

@8

The BLS disagrees with you

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/research_papers/research_at_a_glance/images/graph.gif
http://thebreakthrough.org/images/main_image/total_factor_productivity_and_employment_in_the_US_1947-2012.png

So whenever I see someone making up reasons why they need to employ illegals, I have to ask how he squares his values with robbing his neighbors.

Blogger luagha October 03, 2015 6:43 PM  

The US Army answers Emmauel's question with operant conditioning. Training, reward, penalty.
Take martial arts classes, indulge in a first-person shooter that has both bad guys to hurt and innocents to protect in shoot/don't shoot situations.

Make your decision now, with your mind, before the fight, in the leisure of your comfy chair. Then train towards that decision and body and instinct follow in the heat of the moment.

Blogger Jack Ward October 03, 2015 7:08 PM  

I think, from reading Bobo comment I think he is paying what he must in the different circumstances. I believe he is lamenting the eroding work ethic in this country. Not everyone for sure but too many.

Blogger David-093 October 03, 2015 7:08 PM  

"I've employed hundreds of American white yoots, they all want a job, few want to work."

This is bullshit. Nobody wants to do grueling work for mediocre wages.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 03, 2015 7:19 PM  

@17 & @8

The work isn't just grueling, you also have to have your head squared away. Miss one lockout tagout or don't clip your harness, you are either in the hospital, not earning money, or run off because the safety guy wrote you up. All the compulsory safety permits take up an hour a day where I work, and slow down production.

I'm not sure how well the Coat Rican is expected to know the electrical code, but every journeyman should be able to quote it on an American jobsite.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 03, 2015 7:29 PM  

@16 Jack Ward

Start paying $51/hr and watch how much work ethic you get. This is the kind of money they pay for I&E techs on drilling rigs; yeah buddy they bust it. Otherwise, the Company Man will find some one who wants the money enough to work for it.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 03, 2015 7:39 PM  

This is bullshit. Nobody wants to do grueling work for mediocre wages.

Oh, but they did, back when Bobo was a yout. Walked uphill both ways to school, too, and were glad to have it. Human nature just changed drastically in a generation in one country, as it is wont to do.

I'm pretty sure this is a quote but can't remember from whom: No one wants to work. That's why they call it "work."

Sure, some people are able to make money doing things they enjoy. But even most of those people have days they'd rather be doing something else. Even people who make millions playing games have days when they think, "Man, practice again?"

So sorry, but skilled electricians don't wake up in the morning thinking, "Man, I just can't wait to wire in that 200-amp service today! In fact, I love wiring so much I think I'll do it for $4/hour because that's what Bobo thinks it should be worth! No, I guess I won't be able to pay my liability and life insurance or keep my license updated and have any money left to feed my family, but I wouldn't want to Bobo to think I'm lazier than a Costa Rican."

Blogger Earl October 03, 2015 7:40 PM  

How many of the 94.6 million are also among the 59 million?

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2015 7:57 PM  

> My company in Costa Rica pays $4/hour for bilingual skilled electricians, in La it's 7x that much.

What are the relative costs of living in both areas, and how much of that money does the government take in each? Most US employees only take home about 60% of their pay. By the time you count in the remaining taxes they have to pay, they're usually under 50%.

Comparing apples and oranges only gets you so far.

Blogger Jim Milo October 03, 2015 8:03 PM  

That's sure an interesting way to bury the lede of 37.6% unemployment.

Blogger Jim Milo October 03, 2015 8:08 PM  

@8 It's hard to gain loyalty when your ripping off your employees.

A store manager told me that he makes sure his employees are well paid because cheating on wages increases shrinkage by much more than any money saved on payroll.

OpenID Steve October 03, 2015 8:18 PM  

No, you have to pay market rate. You don't like the market rate.

If people had to dig ditches in order to eat they would did ditches. As a teen I had dug a ditch as part of a job. That's why 1/3 of immigrants went home before welfare. The market rate is influenced by illegals getting welfare benefits. Why did ditches to eat when you can falsely claim social security disability? Some of the 7yo white boys slaving in coal mines "breaker boys" ended up living long enough that their taxes paid for Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico to collect social security disability for NO SPEAK ENGLISH. -BigGaySteve

OT: guess who was on Russia's naughty Moslem list just like the Boston bros?
http://egazette.eu/uncategorized/oregon-mass-shooter-on-terror-list-obama-refused-to-take-from-russia/
http://woundedamericanwarrior.com/oregon-mass-shooter-on-terror-list-obama-refused-to-take-from-russia/

Even better a moslem republican http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/29/muslim-ferguson-activist-announces-hes-running-for-mayor-as-a-republican/

Blogger Jim Milo October 03, 2015 8:21 PM  

@13 There are many years Bobos around here running fish plants. They can't seem to grok why they "must" import Filipino women who make minimum wage and live 12 to a house (renting from their 'sponsor' the employer, of course) to do the jobs the "lazy" locals won't.

Nope, the "lazy locals" FIFO to work instead and make good money for the price of being away from the family, just like those Filipino women. Makes me wonder how bad it is in the Phillipines.

Blogger Jim Milo October 03, 2015 8:28 PM  

Don't know how 'years' got in there.

One other thing. The fish plants are run by jerks who expect you to BUY a seat for $300 if you don't wish to stand all shift.

Blogger LibertyPortraits October 03, 2015 8:32 PM  

Pass a law that also forces baby boomers to retire. Any assets they can't continue to afford on minimum social security get liquidated. If they still can't afford to live send them to labor camps where they're 30 years of stored fat will keep them alive long enough for a little productivity.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 03, 2015 8:44 PM  

@7 Jack Ward

The fair tax would go a long way to correcting some of that imbalance; though, the ptb would probably just find more social giveaways for the increased tax revenues.
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The fair tax would be great, but I am losing hope that it would ever get put into law.

Blogger Phunctor October 03, 2015 10:24 PM  

@28 LibertyPortraits
That word "liberty". I don't think it means what you think it means.

You seem to be saying "All the good jobs are taken by those better qualified than me. And they're old. Kill them!". Bring it.

While you were grasshoppering I was reading 2 or 3 professional books a year. That's all it takes. And now it's winter. Wah.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 03, 2015 10:42 PM  

Sheesh, Tiny Tim finally goes away and we get Bobo in his place. What's the deal with the tough-guy cheap labor immigration boosters?

Bobo, do you have any stories about beating up gay Mexicans in a truck stop bathroom to share?

Blogger The Other Robot October 03, 2015 10:57 PM  

On another topic, I guess there is still plenty of time for Trump to drop out before the end of October.

Blogger haus frau October 03, 2015 10:58 PM  

NPR article claims the 1965 immigration act was intended to keep America white but golly gee, aren't we lucky it didn't turn out that way.
Somehow I doubt the legislators that devised this bill really believed that. The previous law functioned just fine in regard to keeping out diversity.
"In an article praising Feighan's legislative prowess, two Legion representatives said he had "devised a naturally operating national-origin system." A family unification preference, they argued, would preserve America's European character."
http://www.npr.org/2015/10/03/445339838/the-unintended-consequences-of-the-1965-immigration-act?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202503

Blogger The Other Robot October 03, 2015 11:06 PM  

I am confused by all the white guys in this RT article on Syria.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 03, 2015 11:12 PM  

"Bobo, do you have any stories about beating up gay Mexicans in a truck stop bathroom to share?"

The one where you were hanging onto his dick for dear life? Yeah, that's a good one, but we've all heard it a hundred times.

I'm not pro-immigration, you worthless dunce. I'm saying that the real problem is worthless white trash Americans like your family. Immigrants are just more shit on top of the shit that's already here.

Blogger Danby October 03, 2015 11:13 PM  

@Bobo
My original point, which wasn't made clearly enough for the middies, was that an amazing number of the native unemployed are unemployable. Send the beaners back and the yards will remain uncut. Until SNAP, section 8, etc are cut off.

Econ 101. It's called a market. If you can't buy what you're looking for on the open market for what you want to pay, you have to buy something else or up your price. If what you're buying is not up to your standards you have to either lower your standards or up your price. I am reminded of a colleague I talked to who was desperately searching for a new system administrator. Everyone they hired turned out to either be an unqualified liar or to have some massive personality disturbance that made them useless. Turns out they were only paying $24/hr. The people who were quailified and functional didn't even bother to apply.

If you want stable, productive employees, you have to pay what they cost. If you can't find them at your price point, that's because they already have better jobs, probably working for someone who isn't a massive douchebag.

When you pay as little as you can get away with, you get people who will do as little as they can get away with.

Blogger Harsh October 03, 2015 11:18 PM  

Sheesh, Tiny Tim finally goes away and we get Bobo in his place.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Blogger Danby October 03, 2015 11:32 PM  

@The Other Robot
According to the Russia Today article, Russia has done more damage to ISIS in 3 days than we've managed to do in almost a year.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 03, 2015 11:50 PM  

Amazing how many people who think Americans are lazy, worthless trash still insist on living here.

Blogger The Other Robot October 03, 2015 11:52 PM  

According to the Russia Today article, Russia has done more damage to ISIS in 3 days than we've managed to do in almost a year.

I'm not sure who to believe. They all lie.

Blogger Desiderius October 03, 2015 11:56 PM  

"I used to be a working class shithead just like you guys"

Nothing against working class shitheads, but I don't think you've got the firmest grasp on the particular demo you're working with here.

Cail for one is about the farthest thing from a shithead on the entire internet.

Blogger Desiderius October 03, 2015 11:57 PM  

Cail,

"people who think"

As always, generous to a fault.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 04, 2015 12:25 AM  

"Amazing how many people who think Americans are lazy, worthless trash still insist on living here."

I live in Costa Rica, genius. I still have a business in the US, where I employ a considerable number of people. How many families do your efforts provide for? Roughly?

As for Dr. Danby's econ 101, here's 102: When the economy gets tight, as it always does, employers will cut back on manpower, demand more from each worker, and pay the least necessary to retain the best workers. If you ever ran a business, particularly a tightly run one, you'd already know this.

And by the by, I remember when Cail first started enlightening this blog with his gleaming insights. I know he's not a working class shithead. He's a regular shithead.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 12:30 AM  

Funny thing is, if a guy started at the point Bobo retreated to, talking about the factors that make it difficult to hire Americans, I'd sympathize with him. When I was in a retail business, there were times that I'd be looking at two similar-looking products, one made in the USA and one in China with a massive discount in price, and had to choose knowing that I might not be able to sell the US-made product for more than cost (and that's part of the reason I'm no longer in retail). The government/corporate world makes it hard for businesses, especially small businesses, to hire Americans and buy American, and encourages Americans not to work. I get all that.

But the Bobos never open with that. They always open with, "Dur hur, I love hiring desperate brown people because Americans are a bunch of worthless lazy fucks who don't deserve jobs picking cabbage, let alone the awesome jobs I provide for several cents over minimum wage." When you start from that point, you don't get sympathy or even a measured argument; you just get a rhetorical punch in the face.

Here's a simple slogan, offered free of charge to all those Republicans who were totally going to get tough on immigration any day now even if Trump hadn't come along: "American customers and American employees are a package deal." If you want to sell to Americans, hire Americans to do the work. If you want to hire Costa Ricans, then move your business to Costa Rica and sell to Costa Ricans. No one's stopping you. (Well, Costa Rica might stop you, because it might have a sensible immigration policy. But America won't stop you.) Couldn't be fairer than that.

Blogger Danby October 04, 2015 12:36 AM  

@Bob
You're not the only person here who's run a business or hired people. You're nothing special there princess.

OF course you pay the least you can manage. That's simple business. But bitching about the quality of work you get at super-discount pricing just make you look like a complete tool. You want better workers, pay more. If the market won';t support hirer pay, then either put up with the low quality or leave the market.

Either way, no one cares that you feel put upon.

PS, perhaps the quality of the worker is a reflection of the quality of the employer.

Blogger SciVo October 04, 2015 6:06 AM  

The Other Robot @33: On another topic, I guess there is still plenty of time for Trump to drop out before the end of October.

Why would he do that when he's winning? Is this a reference to something else?

Blogger SciVo October 04, 2015 6:12 AM  

Danby @37: Everyone they hired turned out to either be an unqualified liar or to have some massive personality disturbance that made them useless.

At the risk of crossing the streams, sounds like they were hiring gammas.

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2015 7:38 AM  

> If you think American yoots are eat up with a work ethic, it's because you've had no reason to hire any. Pipe in when that happens.

I never said they were. I said you weren't making a valid comparison. To which, I notice, you had no answer.

> I used to be a working class shithead just like you guys, now I'm the boss.

So, what happened to work ethic, Bobo? I suppose working for 60 hours/week to not have enough to feed your family was a bit too much for you?

> My original point, which wasn't made clearly enough for the middies, was that an amazing number of the native unemployed are unemployable.

Your "point" wasn't made at all. Anecdotes are not data. Your point may be valid, but it's unproven. And I know lots of hard workers who are currently unemployed and can't find work, thanks to Obama's war on coal. They're not going to relocate to LA for $28/hour though.

> Send the beaners back and the yards will remain uncut. Until SNAP, section 8, etc are cut off.

At $7-10 hour? Yes, they will. Unless you're hiring teenagers to cut them. Which is the way it used to work.

> When the economy gets tight, as it always does, employers will cut back on manpower, demand more from each worker, and pay the least necessary to retain the best workers. If you ever ran a business, particularly a tightly run one, you'd already know this.

Most companies do that even when the economy isn't tight. Of course, employees know this, and that's why there's no loyalty on the part of employees.

> I have Costa Rican employees working for a 'Muriken project manager, who after bonuses will make close to $350k this year.

But I thought you said American's were unemployable, Bobo. Funny how that's not the case when you pay them $350K/year, isn't it? But if you want to pay them $56K/year, you get what you pay for.

> At the risk of crossing the streams, sounds like they were hiring gammas.

A good system administrator will start at about $80K and can go up over $100K depending on your area. A junior systems administrator without any real experience can get around $60K. They were offering $48K, All they were going to get were recent college graduates with no experience, the already retired who wanted to work part time, and those who couldn't find work at all. That salary will work in a small university town with a captive work force. Elsewhere, no so much so.

Blogger SciVo October 04, 2015 7:48 AM  

They were offering $48K

That does explain it. You don't always get what you pay for, but you have to pay for what you want to get.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 9:40 AM  

If the grocery store pays $2/each wholesale for watermelons, and I offer them $2.25, they're going to refuse, because it won't cover their wholesale and overhead costs. If I don't raise my offer, I'm going home sans watermelon. It doesn't matter what I think watermelons should cost to raise and sell, or what I remember watermelons costing on a fine summer's day in 1985. All that matters is what the seller is willing to sell them for and whether I'm willing to pay that. And if they won't meet my cost, I don't accuse them of being too lazy to do business, because that would be stupid.

Why is it so hard for people to apply this simple logic to labor? If you're offering $X and no one's taking it, you're not offering enough. It doesn't matter whether you think it should be enough. Sweeten the deal or find a different business.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 04, 2015 9:43 AM  

@39 Danby
@The Other Robot
According to the Russia Today article, Russia has done more damage to ISIS in 3 days than we've managed to do in almost a year.
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I was thinking the same. The Russians are projecting competence into a very incompetent situation.

I'm not even sure why we are in Syria, why we were in Libya, Egypt, etc. I at least understood the underlying reason of going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 9:46 AM  

I just figured out why guys like Bobo can't get Americans to work for them. I was wrong; it's not the shitty wages they think Americans should jump at. It's actually that they're so overwhelmingly masculine that normal Americans are too scared to approach them and ask for a job. When a man does try, he's driven back by the massive waves of testosterone. Women looking for work orgasm and faint at 100 yards, of course.

I suggest an HR department, staffed with low-T gammas and women, to act as a hiring buffer between prospective employees and the studly boss.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 04, 2015 9:51 AM  

He sounds like a guy who hates Americans. I'm sure that comes through in any interview or hiring process.

I've been to job interviews where the guy would open with something like "why would I want to hire you?". Besides the point they put out a help wanted ad, I was thinking "Why would I want to work for you?".

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2015 10:43 AM  

> I've been to job interviews where the guy would open with something like "why would I want to hire you?". Besides the point they put out a help wanted ad, I was thinking "Why would I want to work for you?".

Pretty much, yeah. Companies never seem to understand that employment works both ways. You get what you pay for, and you get treated the way you treat people. Loyalty is a two way street.

Blogger The Monarche October 04, 2015 10:47 AM  

It probably is Tiny Tim. Not exactly hard to create a throwaway Google account and use a VPN these days, and given Vox's hypocritical stance on doxxing, it's a good idea at this site, not to mention elsewhere.

Blogger Desiderius October 04, 2015 10:54 AM  

Cail,

"they're so overwhelmingly masculine"

I understand you're being ironic here, but I'd nonetheless challenge your premise.

Woman isn't the only opposite to man (Bobo's at great pains to advertise his mastery of that one); so too is child, and he's hasn't begun there.

The man is characterized by a mastery of his emotions that the child lacks, the capacity to discern friend from foe - both potential and real, and at least a note of humility that betokens having contended with other men, and lost, and learned.

Bobo has yet to demonstrate any of this. It's no wonder he cannot yet lead other men, whatever pay he offers.

Blogger The Other Robot October 04, 2015 11:39 AM  

There seems to be no lack of supply for suicides among finance industry types, and the demand seems to be there as well.

Blogger VFM 188 October 04, 2015 11:52 AM  

I'm pretty sure this is a quote but can't remember from whom: No one wants to work. That's why they call it "work."

It's also why you get paid for it. Otherwise it would be called "hobby" or "fun" or "enjoyment". But no. It's called work. And they give you money to do it,

OpenID Steve October 04, 2015 12:56 PM  

BOBO are the the douchbag that hired healthcare travelers at 4x the cost to cover for people that quit when you fired them and offered them the same job for less in Pittsburgh?

NPR article claims the 1965 immigration act was intended to keep America white but golly gee, aren't we lucky it didn't turn out

If you like your nation's avg IQ you can keep your nation's avg IQ

"Bobo, do you have any stories about beating up gay Mexicans in a truck stop bathroom to share?"

I was told not to tell anymore stories like that.

bobo"I used to be a working class shithead just like you guys" I was told not to tell anymore stories like that.

According to the Russia Today article, Russia has done more damage to ISIS in 3 days than we've managed to do in almost a year

The only damage we did to ISIS was paper cuts from all the cash BathHouse Barry sent them.

How's that for me being a douchebag to work for?

I am sorry I shouldn't have called you a douchebag, since douchebags have a positive effect on society by making peoples breath smell better. In fact people voluntarily commence commerce to acquire them.

At $7-10 hour? Yes, they will. Unless you're hiring teenagers to cut them. Which is the way it used to work

Ok we didn't actually live in the die verse city before but the closest white majority suburb that was still way to close to vibrants if the grid went down, but we had white local teens that went around looking for yards to mow. One Cuban doctor even sent a video to his relatives telling them that he is so rich he has white boys mow his lawn.

There seems to be no lack of supply for suicides among finance industry types, and the demand seems to be there as well

Has anyone ever worked out a profile of who is committing suicide? Have any of them been jewish, and if so religious/secular?

Blogger Blueride October 04, 2015 1:20 PM  

Legal and illegal immigration has destroyed the job market for American workers, no doubt about it. The 1965 immigration act was extremely destructive to American workers and American culture.

Blogger justaguy October 04, 2015 2:47 PM  

It is pretty obvious that as long as we import either legally or illegally people who will live several to a room, drive without insurance or healthcare, and generally live on about 1/2 of what a blue collar worker would deem acceptable, that the blue collar worker will get laid off and not find the wages that used to exist before the huge influx of third-world foreigners. That is simple supply and demand and bitching about it does nothing.

Now the impact of the destructive policies of the Dems have worked their way into society, the millennials believed the crap the Dems told them and or in debt and wage slaves without worthwhile degrees--I could almost see Emperor Palpatine (looking much like Ted Kennedy) saying all is progressing as planned. I don't think for a minute that the Dems actually thought the 1965 Immigration Act would keep the ethnicity of the US the same--they didn't care, they wanted voters. Same with the Civil Rights Act--"if this leads to quotas I'll eat my hat"--they knew where it would go, at least the leadership did.

#63 is right, the immigration from 1965 has been destroying the US worker since its inception and has now almost completed its task. Supply and demand work and as long as some foreign slub is willing to work for a pittance, no one is going to pay more than a pittance or go out of business.

Stopping all immigration, including illegal is the only way to start to get things right. See Ann Coulter's latest book- see lays it out better than most and she normally decently researches her diatribes.

Blogger Eraser October 04, 2015 4:38 PM  

Imagine how many of those 94.6 million Americans could find jobs, and how much their wages would rise, if the 59 million post-1965 immigrants were repatriated.

Once the country recovers from the massive economic crisis that would be caused by 59 million consumers ceasing to consume. On the other hand, housing would become very cheap. The construction industry might not be a good place to look for a job then.

Blogger SciVo October 04, 2015 5:31 PM  

Eraser, it makes a difference how fast it happens. If it's gradual, then the replacement working citizen will consume more. Since the international trespasser was consuming as little as possible in order to send as much as possible back home, it might cost some hairdressers their jobs, but then they'd be going back home too.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 04, 2015 9:58 PM  

@Desiderius
Speak, Oh Manly One!

@James Dixon
Sorry I didn't get back with whatever answer you were looking for in a timely manner, I actually spend most of my life AWAY from the computer. MeatSpace.
Anyway, what business do you own and operate? An Ebay account doesn't really qualify, but if that's all you gots...
The guy who'll make $350k this year started 4 years ago at $20/hr. If you had a business (besides the Beanie Baby thing on Ebay or whatever you do), you'd know that you keep & reward the good ones, ditch the vast majority of dullards. That might've hit too close to home, IDK...

@Cail
Commenting on Alpha Game doesn't really make you manly, but deep down, you already knew that...

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2015 11:42 PM  

> Anyway, what business do you own and operate? An Ebay account doesn't really qualify, but if that's all you gots...

Where did I say I owned and operated a business? I mentioned what I do for a living in this very thread, but obviously reading comprehension isn't a significant requirement in your business.

However, I can understand your attempting to disqualify a question you don't have an answer for.

> The guy who'll make $350k this year started 4 years ago at $20/hr.

Yeah, right. For those watching from home, at this point I'm simply going to assume that anything Bobo says is a lie.

But then I guess it's possible he gives really good BJ's, and that might be worth $350K/year to you, Bobo. Probably has to buy his own kneepads though, since he has such a cheapskate boss.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 05, 2015 12:20 PM  

You got me on that one James, I was on the beach with my kids, and I just scrolled thru your post, as usual. You're not exactly the most riveting commenter...
I assume your job involves sitting around a lot, and getting a paycheck. I'm sure that works for you. But just because you don't have the threshold to start and operate a business in a market where there's real money, well I guess such a world doesn't exist.
I pay my project managers a lot because they make me money. Two cap out at less than $200k. This guy doesn't know it, but if he hits $350k this year, he's underpaid.
But you can't see that far from your desk, can you?
No.

Blogger Danby October 05, 2015 12:51 PM  

@Bob,
Just keep the kids away from the Walmart bathrooms. Too many K-Bar equipped gay Mexican rapists.

Can't be too careful.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 05, 2015 1:49 PM  

You would know better than me, Danby. I defer to your experience.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 05, 2015 1:50 PM  

You would know better than me, Danby. I defer to your experience.

Blogger Sevron October 05, 2015 5:29 PM  

Bobo definitely Tiny Tim, right? Or he's just doing a bit to imitate him?

Blogger James Dixon October 05, 2015 7:05 PM  

> I assume your job...

You do a lot of assuming, Bobo. Maybe some day at least one of those assumptions will have some faint association with reality. Today's not that day.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 05, 2015 7:33 PM  

@65 Bob

I'm trying to grok the numbers on this one. In total you are paying 3 project managers $750k. Given project costs that I'm familiar with, 20% of total is typically for project management (I'm assigning all of it to you super troops). So you are doing $3.5million this year installing solar PV systems in the US and Costa Rica.

How much of the cut is being paid by the American taxpayer?

The guy in CR is the one pulling $350k, or $1.75million. How is this possible on a median income of $4k? A residential system won't go for more than $10k for a $100k house. That's 175 houses a year. There are only 1million 25-54yr old males in the country. Granted the grid likely sucks there, in Africa they buy gen sets for that kind of scratch. It will at least be able to run the AC. Are US taxpayers on the hook for this as well?

Blogger Bobo #117 October 05, 2015 11:06 PM  

@Rusty
Re-Grok.
It's Bobo, not Bob, and it's obvious that you know nothing AT ALL about either Costa Rica or the solar power market.
Color me shocked.
Grok on!

Blogger Bobo #117 October 05, 2015 11:08 PM  

Sorry James, my mistake for not making it clear that I don't care a bit what you do or think.
Please note for future reference.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 06, 2015 5:36 AM  

@72 Bobo

Re-name: looks like I had auto correct issues, no offence intended.

No, I don't know anything about the solar industry, this is why I asked questions. If I made some incorrect commercial assumptions, please enlighten me.

I have experience with 12V systems on yachts. That experience informs me they are fine for running lights, fans, and electronics; but not a refrigerator.

Blogger Sevron October 06, 2015 11:41 AM  

I have experience with the industrial solar power market in the U.S. It's basically a taxpayer-funded scam. The panels barely pay for themselves, and are only economic because the price is subsidized with federal tax credits and so on. If Bobo is involved in that, he's a con man or has an in with the government. Given that he talks like a cuckservative, I'm guessing the latter.

Blogger James Dixon October 06, 2015 12:51 PM  

> Sorry James, my mistake for not making it clear that I don't care a bit what you do or think.
Please note for future reference.

Gee, Bobo, you say that like you think it makes you special. You're at the tail end of a very long line. Of course, most of them don't bother taking three or four posts to tell me so.

Oh, and in case it's escaped you attention, I don't care what you think either.

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