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Saturday, October 10, 2015

Feminism is a loser's game

It has always been observable that feminism is a loser's game, but many have not understand exactly why. This commenter at Heartiste does a nice job of explaining why failure is inevitable.
Peter Drucker, in his famous essay Managing Oneself, advised strongly the need to understand your strengths and weaknesses, and observed that you can never win by improving your weaknesses, only by improving your strengths. In broader socio-economic terms, feminism has pressured women to build on their weaknesses (ability to compete against men) and discouraged them from capitalizing on their strengths (youth and fertility). Young women have taken up this mantra to the extreme as their innate herd behavior has driven millions of them dominate universities and commit to a life of cubicle drudgery over hearth and home. They would rather have a crappy job with vicious co-workers that provides them money to spend on frivolities than a humble home domain where they rule and experience the joy of children. It is unfortunate that so many of our most intelligent and well-bred women are buying into this lie only to discover just 10 years after starting that they have missed the boat on marriage and childbearing opportunities.

Adding to this cruel feminist hoax inflicted on impressionable women, some companies make a spectacle of offering to freeze their female worker’s eggs so they can devote their youth to the corporation and attempt childbirth long after the ideal window for this has passed. This is not to imply that women should not be educated; a woman should have an education as a financial backup and to use after child-rearing.
As a general rule, if you're fighting a) your own biology, b) history, and c) Mother Nature, you should not be terribly surprised when the results are less than entirely triumphant.

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Blogger Joseph Maroney October 10, 2015 5:05 PM  

"... some companies make a spectacle of offering to freeze their female worker’s eggs so they can devote their youth to the corporation and attempt childbirth long after the ideal window for this has passed. "

This is as narmy as it gets.

Blogger Log October 10, 2015 5:27 PM  

Feminism is simply a specific instance of the philosophy of individual rights.

Blogger Harsh October 10, 2015 5:35 PM  

Feminism is simply a specific instance of the philosophy of individual rights.

How so?

Blogger Anthony October 10, 2015 5:46 PM  

I've noticed that the women who post the most feminist stuff to Facebook are the ones who have bad relationships with men.

If I were a PUA, I'd find that knowledge very useful.

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 10, 2015 6:01 PM  

what's the difference between biology and Mother Nature?

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 10, 2015 6:03 PM  

Also, since when should history be used as a prime example for anything positive? I think we should look towards the Christian worldview and perfect Christian society, even though it never existed in history

Blogger frigger611 October 10, 2015 6:16 PM  

Vox, this post reminds me of your letter to a young female engineer a couple years back, it's how I discovered this site. Classic work.
I've said it many times, but to me, modern feminism is a pathetic and vulgar philosophy embraced by ugly females who are angry with God and Nature that they do not possess the genetic material necessary to inspire a boner.
Ergo, all men must be punished, and beautiful women who DO have the goods must also be punished.
The whole thing is just based on envy, which I believe is a deadly sin.

Blogger Danby October 10, 2015 6:24 PM  

@6 Daniel
since when should history be used as a prime example for anything positive? I think we should look towards the Christian worldview and perfect Christian society, even though it never existed in history

History has the advantage of having been tried. Experience keeps a dear school, but an ideologue will not even learn there.

Blogger Lulabelle October 10, 2015 6:25 PM  

"we should look towards the Christian worldview and perfect Christian society, "

Can you please tell me where in the Bible it says we should strive for a perfect Christian society? Cause I've overlooked that.

Blogger VD October 10, 2015 6:39 PM  

what's the difference between biology and Mother Nature?

Biology is a science. Mother Nature is something science studies.

Blogger grendel October 10, 2015 6:50 PM  

"a woman should have an education as a financial backup and to use after child-rearing."

4-5 years of the college cock carousel makes a woman more likely to be divorced. She wouldn't be as likely to need a backup if she skipped that phase.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 10, 2015 6:54 PM  

Good comment, but it's too bad he threw in that sop to getting an "education" before marriage. The "she needs it for a financial backup just in case" attitude is a big part of the feminist narrative. It leads to women entering marriage with one foot out the door, trying it out for a while before deciding whether to go with the backup. By the time she gets that college degree "just in case," she's already burned through several of her most attractive, fertile years; and unless she's unusually virtuous, has been on the carousel learning bad habits.

It makes logical sense to reduce your risks as much as possible, but taking risks together is one thing that bonds a couple. When people like my parents and grandparents started a life together, owning very little and highly dependent on each other to make ends meet, it bonded them in such a way that they couldn't imagine having done anything else. If a man died and widowed a young mother with no skills outside the home, that sucked, but it was very rare, and that's what family and community are for. But when a married couple are both financially stable and don't particularly need each other, you don't get that interdependence. Instead you get a lot of people wondering if they could be doing better elsewhere.

As to "after child-rearing," if she learned a skill before marriage, odds are it's going to be useless 30+ years later when her kids are all gone, unless she kept in practice and up-to-date all along -- in which case she could have learned the skill while mothering anyway. If she homeschools, she can educate herself right along with the kids.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 10, 2015 7:17 PM  

I read this and can't help thinking of one of my co-workers. Oh, she's nice enough as far as people go, she's not one of these crabby, backstabbing types.

But.

In her 50s. Never been married. Perfect example of a "security state" supporter. Everything scares her, or bothers her, or worries her. She's already complained about two coworkers in our office area because she didn't like their conversations (of which she had nothing to do), which resulted in them being "separated" (i.e. one had to move to the other end of the room). She is absolutely rule-bound and will follow instructions to the letter, even if they are scientifically invalid and actually cause harm to the analyses she is performing (contract analytical biotech company). Indeed, she is in the process of stretching out a very easy, quick, one day method validation that I was overseeing into a month long nightmare of laboratory investigations and deviations because she's screwed up the second analyst testing she was performing for me.

She bounces from job to job every two years, and has to make expensive moves from city to city.

I get the feeling she would have been a lot, lot better off if she'd married and settled down as a homemaker 30 years ago.

Blogger CM October 10, 2015 7:17 PM  

Lulabelle -
Its in Revelations... you know... when Christ returns...

Somehow this translates into The Church building the Tower of Babel 2.0

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 10, 2015 7:19 PM  

Feminism is simply a specific instance of the philosophy of individual rights.

As with "gay rights," feminism tends to be "rights for me, but not for thee."

Blogger ray October 10, 2015 7:20 PM  

A woman's 'financial backup' is God and husband. The Church too, once the Church has been restored to proper station and function. Modern churches are mostly cheering galleries for gyno-culture.

Woman's backup is not the State and corporations via 'education'. This 'financial backup' tactic is at the heart of feminism, and of the West's modern consumer/matriarchies. It ensures cucking of the husband, control of children by females, and destruction of the father-led family.

Many vested interests in the gynarchies, including the parents of daughters, cling to the Educated Female with Backup Option scam, then somehow expect that society won't implode from continuation of this pillar of feminism. But it has, and it will. Guess what dotter-daddies? you can't have it all. Men used to accept this instead of undercutting their own nations with selfishness cloaked as protection.

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2015 7:21 PM  

> "a woman should have an education as a financial backup and to use after child-rearing." ... 4-5 years of the college cock carousel makes a woman more likely to be divorced.

Education no longer equates to 4-5 years of college. It hasn't for some time. In fact, there's somewhat of an inverse relationship now.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 10, 2015 7:22 PM  

Education no longer equates to 4-5 years of college.

Education is a lifelong process. The 4-5 years at college are generally a break from it.

Blogger CM October 10, 2015 7:24 PM  

4-5 years of the college cock carousel makes a woman more likely to be divorced. She wouldn't be as likely to need a backup if she skipped that phase.

I agree that women should be educated for "back up" and that universities perpetuate the need for plan b in otherwise attractive women.

However, our society is hell bent on college degrees for some of the most mundane jobs. Also, as mentioned above, most of the most ardent feminists would be hard pressed to achieve Plan A even with blind marriage contracts and a sizable dowry/inheritance from daddy.

Blogger Lulabelle October 10, 2015 7:29 PM  

"Lulabelle -
Its in Revelations... you know... when Christ returns...

Somehow this translates into The Church building the Tower of Babel 2.0"

Maybe my sarc-o-meter isn't working properly. That IS sarcasm, yes? Cause I'd sure hate to think that Christ's return is somehow dependent on Christians building a perfect society.

Blogger CM October 10, 2015 7:35 PM  

It was sarcasm ;)

But that IS what it seems that guy and other SJWs who make appeals to God seem to think.

Blogger Doom October 10, 2015 8:30 PM  

Wouch. Okay. That has to sting, and yes, I concur.

Now, however, if the real reason for feminism is understood, that of reducing the population, than they are actually successful. It's only the women who are tricked into surrendering any chance at a family by working when young. A 30 year old woman, or older, is simply not in the kind of shape to handle birthing, even if she does save her eggs (and find a simpleton sperm donor, either live-in or visiting... or anon).

As to education? Not so much. The cost of it, unless it is paid off while being obtained, will require her to be employed to pay that off. Essentially wedding her to her employer/company. First love, and all that. Plus, academics are flooded with feminism. Most women aren't capable of resisting that pull. No, best to go without an education.

If I had the power, I wouldn't allow women to go beyond 8th grade unless they proved extremely, and practically, capable. Though most males would be sent into carpentry, plumbing, and other such blue collar work, only those capable would go on to a full high school program. Most shouldn't be in high school let alone college.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) October 10, 2015 8:34 PM  

Feminism is simply a specific instance of the philosophy of individual rights.
If you think regurgitating content from a women's studies class will get you points here, you're in the wrong place.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 10, 2015 8:45 PM  

Now they have to sell feminism to the glorious people of color, good luck with that

Blogger Lulabelle October 10, 2015 8:47 PM  

Ok, thanks CM. Perhaps I am overly tired.

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 10, 2015 8:48 PM  

"Can you please tell me where in the Bible it says we should strive for a perfect Christian society? Cause I've overlooked that."

Well I mean that in the context of everyone being a Christian and following Christian values. If we set our goal to live like people did in 455 AD (just a random example), then we will probably only manifest half the positive virtues of that time and run into more problems and negative values (shoot for the stars and land on the moon). But if we have an ultimate command and 'guidebook' that has never been fully realized, then we should follow through to live those commands, even if the end product is a bastardization of what was originally intended.

Blogger Lulabelle October 10, 2015 8:48 PM  

"Feminism is simply a specific instance of the philosophy of individual rights."

Specific instance? For "specific" people? Namely women? So it's all specialization, all the time? Or just sometimes?
Maybe I've had too much wine. Or maybe I haven't had enough wine.

Blogger Lulabelle October 10, 2015 8:51 PM  

" If we set our goal to live like people did in 455 AD".

Holy shit. Are you kidding? I'm sorry, I'm not usually given to course language.....hell, I just can't stop laughing. I'm sorry.......I really am. I'm just.....without words.

Please tell me more about how people were so much more civilized and Christian in 455 AD.

OpenID Steve October 10, 2015 8:58 PM  

some companies make a spectacle of offering to freeze their female worker’s eggs so they can devote their youth

Yea the chance that your pension, nest egg and frozen eggs are all in the same basket is not a great idea.

As to "after child-rearing," if she learned a skill before marriage, odds are it's going to be useless 30+ years

For healthcare the only big change has been the definition of what a woman is, anatomy and physiology have pretty much stayed the same otherwise. There are a few more drugs to know & more things are typed on a computer than hand written but someone could catch up fast. I have seen women do the one shift every 2 weeks thing to keep up and have continuing ed paid for.

As with "gay rights," feminism tends to be "rights for me, but not for thee."

The captha was wedding cakes :) BigGaySteve

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 October 10, 2015 9:00 PM  

It is a long row to hoe if you are looking to restore the Church and its power of social/spiritual shaming over men to provide for/not abandon his wife. Probably why State marriage 1.0 gave cash prizes as a legal construct.

The cohabitation craze is the man's move to level the one foot out the door marriage 2.0 provides the woman. And we are currently stuck in a negative feedback loop.

Probably going to need a collapse of the State before we rediscover a non-corrupted form of Christianity. Nothing seems to bring people to God better than a healthy dose of suffering.

Will Best

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 10, 2015 9:05 PM  

Shocked that women could be so cruel, just shocked

OpenID Steve October 10, 2015 9:14 PM  

When I hear women say where are all the good men at I tell them "They are out looking for women that want to be wives, every guy that would want a poor version of a man can get a real one". -BGS

I got dragged to see the Martian today I don't think I will be able to enjoy any new movies coming up. If I do I will have to keep an empty seat aside me so I don't get elbowed. WARNING SPOILERS

Just in the previews I had my fill of majik negros, before seeing a film with 2 of them being needed to save the white guy. It had the only guy in NASA that knew about using planets for a gravity sling be one of them(holy moslem clock invention, he must have read 1960s fiction), and of course they fixed the women in programing problem reality has by having a girl reprogram pretty much everything so everyone at NASA couldn't take control of the ship. While I know that Mars gravity is .4 that of earth if there was a storm strong enough to blow away a man, a woman shouldn't be the only one looking for him, even at 1/2 gravity she couldn't firemans carry him in a storm.

Blogger frigger611 October 10, 2015 9:30 PM  

When I hear women complain that there are no good men left, I tell them "What did you expect? You MEDICATED them since age 5! You told them masculine behavior was always wrong! You told them to sit quietly and fold their hands like the girls, and to read Emily Bronte! What the fuck did you think was going to happen to them?!"

If I ran the school system, I would have separate schools for boys and girls. The boys would learn the sword, the gun, horsemanship, car mechanics, basic carpentry and architecture (how to build stuff) then get on with book stuff : philosophy, history, math, science.

Blogger Log October 10, 2015 9:30 PM  

When "rights" come into conflict then the conflict can only be resolved arbitrarily. It's really a coin flip or a crapshoot; who knows what the ideology of the judge will be?

But this means that the law (based on "rights") cannot be relied upon to predict what the courts will in fact do.

So we all become whiny little children appealing to our parents to get our way, and if they don't give us what we want, we're going to scream and cry and make their life unpleasant until they do - like how the Jews threatened Pontius Pilate to crucify Jesus. Feminism is one such faction.

But we can't all get what we want. So eventually, the whole unstable system must collapse into death and destruction, because we don't have a non-arbitrary, publicly demonstrable reason to impress upon people as to why they should peaceably accept that they lost the coin flip.

After all, YOLO, and everyone's an induhvidual. So if you don't get yours here and now, you never will. You gonna let some dude in a black robe, or some clown wearing a badge, stop you? (Or, as an aside, the commandments of Jesus, for that matter?)

So goeth "rights."

I wonder why people don't recognize passing laws as an admission of philosophical contradiction with reality. Each additional law means the previous set was incomplete or contradictory - that is, the lawgivers didn't have the answers, and they're adding epicycles to try to shore up a false model of reality, or legal theory.

That's assuming they mean well. They may not: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-us-deep-state.html

Wouldn't it be interesting if the sole "natural law" that is 1. consistent with reality, and 2. perpetuates a stable human society into the future and 3. can handle humanity at all levels of skill at conflict resolution turns out to be the law Moses gave ancient Israel?

Blogger frigger611 October 10, 2015 9:33 PM  

Martian was a very good book, but yeah, a thin atmo means probably super strong storms and winds impossible.

It's getting harder and harder to watch anything at the movies or tv or netlfix. I just tried "Legends" about a CIA op, and of course the first 2 minutes was about a Virginia militia of regular joes as terrorists - no thanks.

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 10, 2015 9:36 PM  

@28 Lullabelle

You realize that was the point. I don't think you realize what I was arguing. I would find it equally hilarious if someone that 455 AD was a perfect time

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 10, 2015 9:37 PM  

F'ism is a proven deeply stressful, deceptive pressurized failed worldview.

In this type of stress and pressure women take up or are tempted into. Thus hypnotizing them, leaving utterly responsible yet in a state of non-reality for their actions.

F'ism, multiculti worship, atheism, central banking are deep dangers.

Blogger Seneca October 10, 2015 9:41 PM  

In the last year or two I have been paying much more attention to how movies, modern books, T.V. etc. have women performing like men. Yet the human reality is the exact opposite. For instance, you can have a police force without women. But you Cannot [ in the real world ] have a police force without men. You can have an Army without women. But you cannot [ in the real world ] have an army without men. But there is all this pressure for women to be able to compete with testosterone loaded men. They simply cannot. As the commenter pointed out, their weakest point is masculinity. They can never compete, they weren't built to do so. However, their femininity is their greatest strength and they are encouraged to do play that strength. Quite sad.

Blogger Seneca October 10, 2015 9:42 PM  

In the last year or two I have been paying much more attention to how movies, modern books, T.V. etc. have women performing like men. Yet the human reality is the exact opposite. For instance, you can have a police force without women. But you Cannot [ in the real world ] have a police force without men. You can have an Army without women. But you cannot [ in the real world ] have an army without men. But there is all this pressure for women to be able to compete with testosterone loaded men. They simply cannot. As the commenter pointed out, their weakest point is masculinity. They can never compete, they weren't built to do so. However, their femininity is their greatest strength and they are encouraged to do play that strength. Quite sad.

Blogger Seneca October 10, 2015 9:43 PM  

In the last year or two I have been paying much more attention to how movies, modern books, T.V. etc. have women performing like men. Yet the human reality is the exact opposite. For instance, you can have a police force without women. But you Cannot [ in the real world ] have a police force without men. You can have an Army without women. But you cannot [ in the real world ] have an army without men. But there is all this pressure for women to be able to compete with testosterone loaded men. They simply cannot. As the commenter pointed out, their weakest point is masculinity. They can never compete, they weren't built to do so. However, their femininity is their greatest strength and they are discouraged from playing to that strength. Quite sad.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 10, 2015 9:50 PM  

More evidence for awfulness of the Left, today I watched the second half of the Harvard at Cornell game and on the Cornell side of the stadium it was basically just the parents sitting in the stands. These people aren't fit for a loony bin

Blogger Cail Corishev October 10, 2015 9:59 PM  

In the last year or two I have been paying much more attention to how movies, modern books, T.V. etc. have women performing like men.

It's gotten comical on TV, if the promos during football games are anything to go by. Show after show after show of tough chicks fighting, shooting, or bossing men around. But they have to have Pinktober in the NFL so men can raise money for their cause, because no one watches actual women running and fighting in actual sports in real life. Yet supposedly we can't get enough of them in fiction? Something tells me this is supply trying to create demand, not the other way around.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:25 PM  

You realize that was the point. I don't think you realize what I was arguing.

Drunkenposting is no way to win points here.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:28 PM  

Drunkenposting is no way to win points here.

You can certainly win points drunk posting if your posts are more like those of the Mad Aussie's wigger atrocities.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 10:29 PM  

Just FYI: those of you taking turn providing the cocks on the carousel are making yourself unfit for any decent woman who wouldn't touch that merry-go-round with a ten foot pole.

If your only option is some brain-dead feminista, poor-chick, you gents are well and truly screwed. MGTOW is a rational response. But if you want something better - and it does exist - you need to be worthy of her. You want a virtuous woman? Be a virtuous man.

Feminism said: you see that James Bond alpha ass (as opposed to John Carter, alpha hero)--? He gets to be a stupid slut because he's cool. Women need to be like him!

Instead of pressuring Bond to be like Carter.

Everyone loses.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:32 PM  

If your only option is some brain-dead feminista, poor-chick, you gents are well and truly screwed. MGTOW is a rational response. But if you want something better - and it does exist - you need to be worthy of her. You want a virtuous woman? Be a virtuous man.

Women are not aroused by virtue.

OpenID Steve October 10, 2015 10:35 PM  

Eraser and APT- you had some painfully wrong healthcare thoughts back on http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/10/a-doctors-take
see comment 113 I wonder if that's how the one guy feels when I use STR8.
-BGS

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:35 PM  

Women are not aroused by virtue.

But they are aroused by virtu.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:36 PM  

But they are aroused by virtu.

Nice

Blogger BunE22 October 10, 2015 10:36 PM  

Hmm. Why on earth would you want women that don't want to be young mothers to stay home and have babies? They're not going to be good mothers imo. Let them work and become that lonely cat lady, at least they're supporting themselves and not a burden to tax payers.

As for that linked article, it's a load of crap. No one wants to hire a 40+ year old woman with no work history and a 20+ year old education, even assuming they got an education in a field that is still pertinent. Especially in today's economy. Telling a prospective boss that you stayed home to raise children won't score brownie points either because it has little value in today's society.

The problem with placing all your eggs in the youth and fertility basket is the uncertainty of your husband replacing you 20-30 years later with a younger, more fertile woman. Look at Trump. Maybe women stopped taking marriage seriously because men didn't. Those halcyon days you want to harken back to when only men were in the workplace were the days when almost all of the cheating was done by men. So much for Christian values.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:37 PM  

those of you taking turn providing the cocks on the carousel are making yourself unfit for any decent woman who wouldn't touch that merry-go-round with a ten foot pole.

Wishing doesn't make it so.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:39 PM  

The problem with placing all your eggs in the youth and fertility basket is the uncertainty of your husband replacing you 20-30 years later with a younger, more fertile woman. Look at Trump.

APEX FALLACY LOL.

Blogger John Wright October 10, 2015 10:40 PM  

Poor Lulabelle. She knows neither history, nor the Bible, and so concludes that Christians should not try to live a Christian life in this fallen world, or build a civilization on Christian principles.

AD 455 was the sack of Rome by Gensenric, who, while looting the fanes of Jupiter, harmed no Christian churches.

And, for the record 404 was the last gladiatorial game, a practice put out of business due solely to the attempt to build a more Christian society.

Why such unheard of acts of magnanimity and humanity should be met by paroxysms of laughter and eructations of vulgarity by someone from the generation that invented the term Genocide, and who confirmed the Spartan practices of aborticide as a sacred right, is difficult to see. The Christians abolished the slave-trade in Europe in the Middle Ages, which most historians measure as starting about 455 AD. As Christianity recedes, the slave-trade is making a comeback, and the postchristians do nothing.

On what ground do you alleged this generation so superior to them, our forefathers who set about to create successfully what this generation cannot preserve?

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:41 PM  

Hmm. Why on earth would you want women that don't want to be young mothers to stay home and have babies? They're not going to be good mothers imo.

You're wrong imo.

The problem with placing all your eggs in the youth and fertility basket is the uncertainty of your husband replacing you 20-30 years later with a younger, more fertile woman. Look at Trump.

How often does that happen? Women initiate 2/3 of divorces. An eat pray love scenario is statistically much more likely than a trump scenario.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:42 PM  

Why on earth would you want women that don't want to be young mothers to stay home and have babies?

All sane and healthy young women naturally and organically want to be mothers and have babies. The problem at hand is that CERTAIN PEOPLE have a program of discouraging this. Your comment puts you in that class, but it's too early yet to determine whether you're a dupe or a dyke.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 10:42 PM  

#46 women are not aroused by virtue

Feminists aren't. That's for sure,

You poor man: you have been sold down the river. Do you know where the word "virtue"'(arête) comes from? Power.

Nothing gets a woman hotter than her competent squared-away guy.


Look: if you're going to settle for hookups with feminista slatterns, I grieve for you kids. You've decided to spend your lives drinking off-market cola when Esprit-de-Beaucastel is in the offing.


Nothing worthwhile come easy. TANSTAAFL.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:45 PM  

Before this turns into a Prot/Cath war...

John Wright, have you read SF writer R. A. Lafferty's historical semi-fiction Alaric: The Day the World Ended (aka The Fall of Rome)?

Or, generally, any Lafferty?

OpenID Steve October 10, 2015 10:45 PM  

Look at Trump. Maybe women stopped taking marriage seriously because men didn't.

All of his ex wives are set for life.

those of you taking turn providing the cocks on the carousel are making yourself unfit for any decent woman who wouldn't touch that merry-go-round with a ten foot pole

My STR8 friends say there are plenty of gold digging hoes around, all you have to do is find a place that recognizes pre nups. Also the penetrative partner doesn't get worn out.-BGS

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:46 PM  

You poor man: you have been sold down the river. Do you know where the word "virtue"'(arête) comes from? Power.

Virtue != virtu or virtus

And you weren't using virtue to refer to power, because you mentioned virtuous women and virtuous men.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:46 PM  

You poor man: you have been sold down the river. Do you know where the word "virtue"'(arête) comes from? Power.

And yet that is not how the word "virtue" is used today. Perhaps you didn't know this, yes, of course? Or perhaps you're disingenuous.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:47 PM  

Nothing gets a woman hotter than her competent squared-away guy.

If that's the case, can you explain why these women are divorcing their competent squared-away guys?

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 10:49 PM  

#51. wishing doesn't make it so.

My mom, my sisters, and I. And I'm the black sheep of the family. And our kids.

We might as well be invisible to the mass media. But we're here.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:50 PM  

And yet that is not how the word "virtue" is used today. Perhaps you didn't know this, yes, of course? Or perhaps you're disingenuous.

And ironically, if she is using it in the old way, she's saying that the only thing that turns on a Strong Independent Women (virtuous woman) is a James Bond Alpha Male (virtuous man).

Blogger Cail Corishev October 10, 2015 10:52 PM  

Why on earth would you want women that don't want to be young mothers to stay home and have babies?

Has their been a major change in the nature of females in the past two generations? Or have the young women of recent years been indoctrinated away from normal feminine nature and encouraged to indulge their worst impulses?

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 10, 2015 10:52 PM  

So much fail here. SO. MUCH. FAIL. When did the Christian Ghetto take up residence at VP? Don't tell me you're Alpha Game transplants.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:55 PM  

And ironically, if she is using it in the old way, she's saying that the only thing that turns on a Strong Independent Women (virtuous woman) is a James Bond Alpha Male (virtuous man).

She used John Carter (OF MARS!) as an example of the good kind of manly virtue. I don't actually disagree (email me for a list of caveats and provisos), but it does hint at where she was coming from. Captain Save-a-Ho, reporting for duty, suh!

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:55 PM  

Hobbit:

Go read this:

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/dont-blame-heartiste-for-the-equation-of-alpha-with-virtue/

In a post decrying the wickedness of sexual immorality, Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr. (President of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary), explains that by God’s design a wife’s sexual attraction for her husband is a barometer of the man’s righteousness:

Put most bluntly, I believe that God means for a man to be civilized, directed, and stimulated toward marital faithfulness by the fact that his wife will freely give herself to him sexually only when he presents himself as worthy of her attention and desire.

OpenID Steve October 10, 2015 10:55 PM  

If that's the case, can you explain why these women are divorcing their competent squared-away guys?

They can enjoy 1/2 of the guys earnings better without the guys schedule. Every OR in the US has at least one surgeon who was frivorced for that reason. If a surgeon is on his day off, and not on call he will still go in if there is a school bus accident.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 10:56 PM  

Why on earth would you want women that don't want to be young mothers to stay home and have babies?

I realized a better answer to this rhetorical clap trap.

Why don't you want women to want to stay home and be mothers?

Because that's really what's going on, underneath.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 10, 2015 10:57 PM  

Yes, Dr. Mohler, no man ever lost qualifying him self to his wife. Who's really in charge there?

"Yes, yes you've been a good boy! Here's some ankle. Don't get too excited. Good doggy I mean husband".

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:57 PM  

She used John Carter (OF MARS!) as an example of the good kind of manly virtue.

So, basically, the good kind of manly virtue has to go to Mars to find a female willing to sleep with him?

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 10, 2015 10:58 PM  

I thought men were from Mars.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 10:59 PM  

@ #60

Not disingenuous. Far from it. "Today" the SJWs have only one term to approximate virtue: "smart". For them, "virtuous" means only "sexual continence" and it is laughable to them. I would ask you therefore: consider the source. Surely what they hate and fear, ought to pique your interest. It's like a one star review of Awake in the Night.

Blogger ncartist October 10, 2015 10:59 PM  

If your only option is some brain-dead feminista, poor-chick, you gents are well and truly screwed. MGTOW is a rational response. But if you want something better - and it does exist - you need to be worthy of her. You want a virtuous woman? Be a virtuous man.


Women are only aroused by men whose intelligence ans character are in service to their dicks and wallets: in other words, somewhere on a line between their son their back pockets.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 10:59 PM  

No, women are from Mars, men are from Virginia.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 10, 2015 11:00 PM  

Look at Trump.

I don't know anything about Trump's divorces. Did he dump his wives to replace them with younger models, as you're assuming? Or did they get unhaaaaappy, as women often do, and go for the cash and prizes of divorce, then younger women were glad to take their place?

I don't know, but I do know that among my own family and acquaintances, I don't know a single man who fits the "dumped his wife for a younger one" caricature. I know a few men who filed for divorce to protect themselves from further financial damage, after their wife had left them. I also know lots of women who frivorced their husbands for reasons of vague unhappiness or "emotional abuse" or thinking they could do better.

The "woman works to put her husband through medical school and then gets replaced by his hot nurse" trope is 50 years old, assuming it was ever true. It's certainly not common enough to base policy on.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:01 PM  

"Today" the SJWs have only one term to approximate virtue: "smart". For them, "virtuous" means only "sexual continence" and it is laughable to them.

I "think" you "need" more "quotation marks" so that you can more perfectly match Thordaddy's comments.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 11:04 PM  

"Today" the SJWs have only one term to approximate virtue: "smart".

I wish my superpower was making shit up to subvert existing usages.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 11:06 PM  

So why are virtuous women divorcing those competent squared-away men in droves?

They aren't. Not anymore than those same men were dumping their faithful wives for a trophy hottie.

It's an evil,old world, and men and women both fail and succumb to temptation. So it's true: the race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong... Nor the happy fecund and joyful marriage to the virtuous.

But that's the way to bet.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 11:08 PM  


So why are virtuous women divorcing those competent squared-away men in droves?

They aren't.


False. Tendentiously false. Moral equivalency false.

What is your goal, here, satan?

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 10, 2015 11:09 PM  

Overgrown Hobbit,

You don't think women aren't divorcing their competent squared away husbands in droves? Let me tell you about an amazing invention called "The Internet".

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:09 PM  

They aren't. Not anymore than those same men were dumping their faithful wives for a trophy hottie.

Women initiate 2/3 of divorces. So yes, they are.

Blogger Alone in Direwood October 10, 2015 11:15 PM  

"Today" the SJWs have only one term to approximate virtue: "smart".

I think rather "self actualization". However, self actualization is dependent on societal context. A pedophile who wants to be fully self-actualized will be treated like a cancer in a healthy society. This requires a standard by which to judge "self actualization".

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 10, 2015 11:18 PM  

@50 More women in the work force. More proximity to men. More cheating. Fewer women in the workplace. Less proximity men. Less cheating. Simple chemistry.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 10, 2015 11:24 PM  

You don't think women aren't divorcing their competent squared away husbands in droves?

I think she's hanging it on the word "virtuous." Almost by definition, a "virtuous woman" wouldn't divorce a good, though unexciting husband.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 11:25 PM  

"Alone in Direwood"

What are you doing here? Is it you have no fear? The legend says you'll disappear.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 11:26 PM  

My goal is simple. I and other Christian mothers I know have beautiful, loving, faithful daughters (and sons)

We want them to have fruitful happy, lifelong marriages, even as we, our parents, and grandparents did. We think men and women need - and want - each other.

We know - and you have half the equation - that feminism, and slut culture - destroys this. What I hope to convince you of (and am failing to do, more's the pity) is that this same slut culture / feminist sexual revolution was a temper tantrum: the BOYS get to do it, why can't I?!"

Because it's worse for women--but it's still bad for men.

I don't know why John Carter put you all off (seriously. I really don't.) I can't use my dad - you don't know him from Adam's off ox.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:26 PM  

"Alone in Direwood"

What are you doing here? Is it you have no fear? The legend says you'll disappear.


Grublets FTW

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 11:26 PM  

Almost by definition, a "virtuous woman" wouldn't divorce a good, though unexciting husband.

A is A. Survival of the fittest. Wherever you go, there you are.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:28 PM  

this same slut culture / feminist sexual revolution was a temper tantrum: the BOYS get to do it, why can't I?!"

More Feminine Imperative. THOSE EVIL MENS MADE US DO IT!!!

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 11:30 PM  

I don't know why John Carter put you all off (seriously. I really don't.)

It's because you're one of the weaker vessels, lecturing the stronger vessels on how to be better. You're out of line, and it shows even in the examples you choose.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 10, 2015 11:31 PM  

Hobbit,

You can not tell us or your sons how to be men, or how to be better men. You have no idea how to do it.

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 10, 2015 11:33 PM  

... this same slut culture / feminist sexual revolution was a temper tantrum: the BOYS get to do it, why can't I?!"

This happens because women generally have no idea how difficult it is to do what men do. Why is that?

Blogger Lulabelle October 10, 2015 11:34 PM  

"On what ground do you alleged this generation so superior to them, our forefathers who set about to create successfully what this generation cannot preserve? "

I don't allege this generation superior to any others; I'm simply pointing out it is not our mandate to create a perfect Christian society on earth.

But thanks for your pity, JCW.......some should consider it a feather in my cap, I suppose.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 11:43 PM  

@ #89

Nor would a virtuous man divorce his aging no-longer exciting wife. I suspect you (automatthew) are rather younger than me. So while you know the slatternly woman who abandoned her family for something more tingly, (and I only personally know one such, and I talked her out of it) I know the women whose husbands left them high and dry.

There have been and always will be husbands who crap out and wives ditto. The question is: what model is likely to minimize the crapulence? I submit: virtue in both sexes.

On the other hand, if you just want to get laid: guys--master Game; gals, be young and "adventurous."

Just remember: the youth is father (or mother) to the man (or woman).

Blogger CM October 10, 2015 11:44 PM  

You don't think women aren't divorcing their competent squared away husbands in droves?

You missed a word. Virtuous .

I think we could call this a Truism. If you are a faithful & loving wife, you are a virtuous wife.

If you are divorcing your husband for lame reasons, you are NOT a virtuous wife.

The clue was that she linked it to good men not dumping wives for trophy wives.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:45 PM  

I know the women whose husbands left them high and dry.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

You have yet to refute the fact that 2/3 of divorces are initiated by women.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:46 PM  

You missed a word. Virtuous .

Nope.

From her original comment:

Nothing gets a woman hotter than her competent squared-away guy.

Blogger CM October 10, 2015 11:46 PM  

You don't think women aren't divorcing their competent squared away husbands in droves?

You missed a word. Virtuous .

I think we could call this a Truism. If you are a faithful & loving wife, you are a virtuous wife.

If you are divorcing your husband for lame reasons, you are NOT a virtuous wife.

The clue was that she linked it to good men not dumping wives for trophy wives.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 11:48 PM  

No. 91 and 92

Although it strikes me as similar to the folks I loathe: How dare you tell me how women ought to be! Um... Uterus here? Don't let the user pic fool you.

Okay. So tomorrow is Sunday. I'll talk to my Dad about this. As a thought experiment: what if he agrees wit me?

Obviously, if he disagrees, I'll post here and why. Fair's fair.

Blogger CM October 10, 2015 11:49 PM  

Josh, from the comment you quoted, virtuous WAS the qualifier.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:51 PM  

By the way:

Her comment:

Nothing gets a woman hotter than her competent squared-away guy.

My response:

If that's the case, can you explain why these women are divorcing their competent squared-away guys?

Her response:

So why are virtuous women divorcing those competent squared-away men in droves?

Bait and switch, backpedaling, fighting withdrawal, goalpost moving, etc.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 10, 2015 11:52 PM  

You don't think men should be telling women what to do?

Blogger CM October 10, 2015 11:52 PM  

Sorry Josh.

Looks like I had a cronological error.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:53 PM  

Josh, from the comment you quoted, virtuous WAS the qualifier.

In this?

Nothing gets a woman hotter than her competent squared-away guy.

Blogger Josh October 10, 2015 11:53 PM  

Sorry Josh.

Looks like I had a cronological error.


No worries.

Hell, even I didn't notice it for a minute.

Blogger automatthew October 10, 2015 11:54 PM  

Team Woman is out in force tonight.

So while you know the slatternly woman who abandoned her family for something more tingly, (and I only personally know one such, and I talked her out of it) I know the women whose husbands left them high and dry.

I don't care. I do not give, as Vox says, a quantum of a damn about all the pity party experiences of older women. Having been around more than a few of them, I expect they deserved it.

What I know and care about is the experiences of men and women who are actually, ya know, relevant to the current discussion. Meaning, for the contentious old biddies who need everything spelled out and their food pre-chewed for them, the fertile.


Blogger Lulabelle October 10, 2015 11:56 PM  

"103. Conscientia Republicae October 10, 2015 11:52 PM

You don't think men should be telling women what to do?"

That's a step in the direction of preserving western civilization.

Blogger Alone in Direwood October 11, 2015 12:00 AM  

What are you doing here? Is it you have no fear? The legend says you'll disappear.


Perhaps the salient question is...will it be fast, will it be slow...will it hurt a lot? Well we soon will know....

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 11, 2015 12:01 AM  

7 F'ism is occultism (omit hidden) meaning like a bunch of magicians with peer yet feminists are the defenseless unthinking thus they try to act manly whom have no peers as delicate feminine women are repulsed as F'ism.

Or perhaps the food, water and hormones are so jacked some women actually ID as men (another) ergo their traits.

If anti feminists have a few hobbies they are mostly manly they are best off keeping those to themselves.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:03 AM  

"Team Woman is out in force tonight"

No worries. The hounds are out as well.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 11, 2015 12:03 AM  

Edit: as = at. "Normal women are repulsed by feminism."

I hope F'ism will die out but so I'm stuck with it for my lifetime. Why would children of boomers ever beleive pop culture or the lesser parent telling them F'ism is ok.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2015 12:06 AM  

Yeah, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt, but there's some dodging with wordplay here. If we're going to talk about "virtuous" women and define that so tightly that it becomes a truism that they wouldn't divorce, then we should talk about men the same way, and obviously no good man would dump his wife for a different woman either. Perfect people are perfect, got it.

But if we talk about actual people in the real world, even if we stick to the reasonably good ones -- belong to a church, never been in prison, no heavy drug use, that kind of thing -- then there's no comparison when it comes to one sex bailing out of marriage for greener (or seemingly greener) pastures. None whatsoever.

So you know a woman whose husband left her for a younger woman (according to her, I assume)? Fine, I'll see you my ex-wife who left me out of boredom, and raise you the friend of mine who's killing himself trying to hold his marriage together, going on four hours of sleep a night as he tries to work enough hours to keep his wife living in comfort and still leave time to do all the housework so she doesn't have anything to complain about. Most scenarios aren't as extreme as his, but I've still seen that more often than I've seen the opposite.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:09 AM  

So you know a woman whose husband left her for a younger woman (according to her, I assume)? Fine, I'll see you my ex-wife who left me out of boredom, and raise you the friend of mine who's killing himself trying to hold his marriage together, going on four hours of sleep a night as he tries to work enough hours to keep his wife living in comfort and still leave time to do all the housework so she doesn't have anything to complain about. Most scenarios aren't as extreme as his, but I've still seen that more often than I've seen the opposite.

I can name at least a half dozen marriages within my social circle where the wife blew up the marriage because she wasn't happy. And these are all 20-30 somethings.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:11 AM  

I can also raise you two of my best and oldest friends. One of them married a woman who was cheating on him almost the whole time they were married, especially while he was deployed multiple times. She ran off with his daughters to her lover and is bleeding him dry. He sees his daughters once a year and grieves for the rest of the year.

My other friend who I've known for 34 years married a woman who was also cheating on him and gave him an STD. He took her back and she then started cheating on him again with a meth dealer. She is now stripping, prostituting herself and doing meth. Still has partial custody.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:12 AM  

One of them married a woman who was cheating on him almost the whole time they were married

Yup, buddy of mine has the same story.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) October 11, 2015 12:14 AM  

@Overgrown hobbit

Have you considered that age may be part of the reason they chose their new mate, but have little to do with why they divorced their previous?

When they're old enough the kids are out of the way and they are sick and tired of bullshit, contempt, and disrespect.

Blogger John Wright October 11, 2015 12:15 AM  

"I don't allege this generation superior to any others; I'm simply pointing out it is not our mandate to create a perfect Christian society on earth."

Bait and switch. No one expects perfection on Earth.

But you, with your sneering and cawing and swearing, you mock the efforts of civilization to preserve itself, and laugh at those who set us on the high ground we occupy.

So, in the same vein, you claim to be proud of being worthy of pity? A feather in your cap, you called it?

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:18 AM  

Bait and switch. No one expects perfection on Earth.

Not a bait and switch, the original comment is about perfection.

Also, since when should history be used as a prime example for anything positive? I think we should look towards the Christian worldview and perfect Christian society, even though it never existed in history

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 12:22 AM  

JCW......I was speaking to the commenter #6 (Daniel Babylon): " I think we should look towards the Christian worldview and perfect Christian society, even though it never existed in history".

So, evidently, that commenter appears to expect perfection on Earth.

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 12:23 AM  

Ah, never mind. Josh has already mentioned it, I see.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:24 AM  

Ah, never mind. Josh has already mentioned it, I see.

Milady.

/tips hat

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:25 AM  

Tips fedora?

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 12:29 AM  

But you, with your sneering and cawing and swearing, you mock the efforts of civilization to preserve itself, and laugh at those who set us on the high ground we occupy.

Mr. Wright, I've met Lulabelle, and I think you're mistaking her comments.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 12:30 AM  

@42 Cail Corishev

It's gotten comical on TV, if the promos during football games are anything to go by. Show after show after show of tough chicks fighting, shooting, or bossing men around . . . Something tells me this is supply trying to create demand, not the other way around.

Well said. No doubt. It's absolutely ubiquitous and comical is an understatement to say the least. Sublimely absurd is more like it.

I watched most of the first episode of Blindspot. Looked interesting. A mysterious Jane Doe is discovered in Times Square, covered in cryptic tattoos with no memory of who she is. About half way into the pilot we learn that an original tattoo had been covered up and that it was a Navy Seal tatt. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Naturally, in the next scene she is going all Jason Bourne on a couple of Asian wife-beaters who are twice her size and of course she nearly beats them both to death and has to be stopped from inflicting further harm by the male FBI agent. We are constantly subject to having this agenda forcefully imposed upon us at every turn. Comical? Funny? Yeah, but also tiresome and insulting.

How much belief do we have to suspend to enjoy a story anymore? I think I am going to have to prioritize some self-care and this weekend with The Magnificent Seven and get my mind right again. Crazy.



Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:33 AM  

How much belief do we have to suspend to enjoy a story anymore? I think I am going to have to prioritize some self-care and this weekend with The Magnificent Seven and get my mind right again. Crazy.

You're supposed to like Woody Allen movies.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 12:34 AM  

You're supposed to like Woody Allen movies.

Eli Roth is the new Woody Allen.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 12:35 AM  

@Josh

I can name at least a half dozen marriages within my social circle where the wife blew up the marriage because she wasn't happy.

Oh. haven't you heard? A woman's happiness is the highest good and must be nurtured and guarded with all you heart, all your mind, all your soul, and all your strength. It's the greatest commandment. If she's not happy, NO ONE is!

Blogger CM October 11, 2015 12:37 AM  

It seems a good task for Mrs. Hobbit is to recognize women are not perfect, women are just as likely to leave their husbands (putting it generously), and young women are being foolishly counciled to destructive ends.

So what can she do as an older, supposedly wiser woman? How bout not lecturing these good men not to do things they don't do and instead council young women on how to be these virtuous wives who respect their husbands, are faithful & loving, and gentle mothers?

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:38 AM  

IF MAMA AIN'T HAPPY AIN'T NOBODY HAPPY

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 12:39 AM  

"122. Josh October 11, 2015 12:24 AM

Ah, never mind. Josh has already mentioned it, I see.

Milady.

/tips hat"

*curtsies*.......*then falls over cause KLUTZ*

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:39 AM  

Eli Roth is the new Woody Allen.

The BEAR JEW!

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 12:39 AM  

If she's not happy, NO ONE is!

This is usually literally and almost physically true. Children who did not bond to their mother, for whatever reason, are usually not organically happy. Children who did bond to their mother are more affected by her moods. Mamma's bad feels resonate.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:40 AM  

So what can she do as an older, supposedly wiser woman? How bout not lecturing these good men not to do things they don't do and instead council young women on how to be these virtuous wives who respect their husbands, are faithful & loving, and gentle mothers?

She can't do that because TEAM WOMAN.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 12:41 AM  

". . . and young women are being foolishly counciled to destructive ends."

They don't need much counsel. Most come by it quite naturally.

The wise woman builds her house,
but with her own hands the foolish one tears hers down.


- Proverbs 14:1

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 12:42 AM  

"IF MAMA AIN'T HAPPY AIN'T NOBODY HAPPY"

I have lost count of the number of times I have heard these exact words from pastors and ministers.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:43 AM  

As a half Jew I am partly offended by your implication that one Jew movie director can just be seamlessly replaced with another. What are we another all alike?

Blogger Desiderius October 11, 2015 12:43 AM  

"was a temper tantrum: the BOYS get to do it, why can't I?!"

Change that from a rhetorical to an actual question, and we can help you there. Of course, in most cases, the premise is false regardless, if you're speaking of boys likely to become competent, squared away men (not guys).

Overaged Hobbit is also correct if one includes game/healthy masculinity in one's definition of competent. The vast majority of overaged hobbits don't (or do so subconsciously), so they fail to teach their sons and, most importantly, daughters how to become competent marriage partners.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:46 AM  

As a half Jew I am partly offended by your implication that one Jew movie director can just be seamlessly replaced with another. What are we another all alike?

Well when it comes to hollywood jews there's really just not that many to pick from...

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 12:47 AM  

"137. Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:43 AM

As a half Jew I am partly offended by your implication that one Jew movie director can just be seamlessly replaced with another. What are we another all alike?"

Yes, you all look alike.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:48 AM  

I will summon a golem.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:49 AM  

I will summon a golem.

I thought you were only a half jew

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:49 AM  

dammit

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 12:49 AM  

My Precious.

Oh, wait..........

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 12:50 AM  

"Yes, you all look alike."

Well, from the waist down anyway.

"You're supposed to like Woody Allen movies."

Cold and ruthless . . . I love you goys . . . guys.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:50 AM  

Cold and ruthless . . . I love you goys . . . guys.

You're a real mensch

Blogger CM October 11, 2015 12:50 AM  

Children who did bond to their mother are more affected by her moods. Mamma's bad feels resonate.

It IS. My days go so much better when I'm in a bright and cheerful mood... and it isn't my mood - its because my kids feed off me. I have my very own bio-feedback.

They don't need much counsel. Most come by it quite naturally.

You are correct. All the more reason for wise council from wise women. I know I need it. Most of the women around me lament their age and resent the "wise" moniker. Our culture thinks very little of age and wisdom and thinks too highly of foolish recklessness disguised as esteemed experience.

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 12:51 AM  

I fear we will be banned for wasting space and using off-topic comments on the blog.
I humbly bow out.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 12:52 AM  

I did Nazi that coming.

Blogger Desiderius October 11, 2015 12:52 AM  

Rabbi,

"Well said. No doubt. It's absolutely ubiquitous and comical is an understatement to say the least. Sublimely absurd is more like it."

One encouraging thing is that it has become the worst of all things for the class that's been pushing it so hard for all of our lives:

common

So they'll soon be looking for something else to push, if they aren't already. Perhaps they'll stumble upon something edifying for a change.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 12:52 AM  

As a half Jew I am partly offended by your implication that one Jew movie director can just be seamlessly replaced with another. What are we another all alike?

A magazine smashing a spider leads inexorably to torture porn.

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 12:52 AM  

""Yes, you all look alike."

Well, from the waist down anyway. "

ACK! Rabbi B, please know I am only good-naturedly ribbing that commenter.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 12:53 AM  

I did Nazi that coming.

How much did the challah cost?

Blogger Lost Pilgrim October 11, 2015 12:54 AM  

Rabbi Magnificent Seven is a tonic against all such garbage.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 12:55 AM  

There is only one good Woody Allen movie, and it involves Hitler's ear.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 12:55 AM  

Or maybe his nose. So long as there's cartilage.

Blogger Desiderius October 11, 2015 12:58 AM  

Cail at comment #12,

The wind is blowing ever more strongly that way among the rising generation. That may be why the counter-propaganda keeps getting more hysterical.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 12:58 AM  

"Our culture thinks very little of age and wisdom and thinks too highly of foolish recklessness disguised as esteemed experience."

The culture also has absolutely no concept of the incredible freedom that is to be found in submission. I also think most women are driven by fear:

Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives . . . For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear. cf. I Peter 3

What a great passage.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 1:02 AM  

"Rabbi B, please know I am only good-naturedly ribbing that commenter."

Of course. Everybody's the king of wit tonight.

e.g. I did Nazi that coming.

+1

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 1:03 AM  

Bold-quoted truth.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 11, 2015 1:05 AM  

Not trying to dodge: My theory: sexual promiscuity prior to marriage not only makes marriage more unlikely but makes marriages more likely to fail. And while it's worse for women (sexually dimorphism - go figure) it's still a problem for men.


Bottom line: don't kid yorself. If you ride the sexual carousel, male or female, you are making yourself less likely to be a good wife - or a good husband. Game is how you deal with feminist slatterns. Virtue is how you take a shot at the brass ring.

BTW I have not done the research on modern divorce stats. Until I do I will yield on the topic of whether or not women who held off from screwing around are more likely to divorce good men than women who didn't.

I chose a good man. I know other women who did as well. We are blessed. I want this for my daughter and all our daughters. They will be ill-served by young men who believe the SJW lie: get what you can, screw 'em all.

What you feed will grow. Seek knowledge. Work hard. Adhere to absolute standard of excellence. And don't forget your prayers :-)

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 1:07 AM  

Game is how you deal with feminist slatterns. Virtue is how you take a shot at the brass ring.

Wrong

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 1:07 AM  

" I also think most women are driven by fear:"

Rabbi B, what do you think this is fear of?

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 1:08 AM  

My theory: sexual promiscuity prior to marriage not only makes marriage more unlikely but makes marriages more likely to fail. And while it's worse for women (sexually dimorphism - go figure) it's still a problem for men.

But...

BTW I have not done the research on modern divorce stats. Until I do I will yield on the topic of whether or not women who held off from screwing around are more likely to divorce good men than women who didn't.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 1:09 AM  

MEN BAD. Women ... must research.

Blogger Alone in Direwood October 11, 2015 1:14 AM  

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Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 1:22 AM  

"Rabbi B, what do you think this is fear of? "

Simple: Learning to trust G-d in the life of your husband to whom you have been commanded to submit and trust, especially during the times when you're convinced he may be leading your family of the proverbial cliff. It's not always easy to trust and there is a great tendency to take control when it looks like it's going to be an unmitigated disaster form where you're sitting.

The example of Sarah is great, because what Abraham asked her to do put her in tremendous danger, and yet she managed to trust G-d for the result. I think a woman's number one desire is to be safe and secure.

My wife often tells me how thankful she is that she does not have to carry the burden, pressure and responsibility of the tough decisions that come with leading the family. In turn I try to remember to commend my wife for following and supporting a man who doesn;t always get it right 100% of the time.

After 23 years, she has learned to trust G-d in my life and subsequently in hers. Doesn't mean it's always easy, but that is so much what a marriage is designed to teach us and is a true reflection of the relationship of G-d's people to Him, a relationship which is of course described as a marriage.

G-d provides for us, we don't provide for Him. G-d protects us. We don't protect Him. We submit to G-d, He does not submit to us. G-d leads us, we don't lead Him, etc.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 1:23 AM  

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Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 11, 2015 1:25 AM  

BTW if it seems as if I am giving a pass to those women who abandon their husband and children, or even failing to condemn their treason against the oath they took before God and man, I beg your pardon that my writing failed. No-fault divorce has been a disaster for men, for children, and for women who want a marriage that lasts.


Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 1:25 AM  

Or rather not knowing why she was attracted to him in the first place.

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 1:28 AM  

No-fault divorce has been a disaster for men, for children, and for women who want a marriage that lasts.

But not all women?

Blogger Lulabelle October 11, 2015 1:29 AM  

Rabbi B - YES!! I love what you said. I agree with your wife - it is quite wonderful to not carry the burden.......and to be able to help lighten the burden......in this way - to make sure the husband has a happy and peaceful homelife, and that the children are cared for in such a manner as he desires. I consider this my highest calling.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 1:32 AM  

"Rabbi Magnificent Seven is a tonic against all such garbage."

How can you possibly go wrong with Steve McQueen?

The Great Escape is another antidote: not one woman in the entire movie iirc. What's not to love?

Blogger Josh October 11, 2015 1:32 AM  

The Great Escape is another antidote: not one woman in the entire movie iirc. What's not to love?

Also Kelly's Heroes.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 1:35 AM  

"I consider this my highest calling."

Truly a drum that can never be beaten loudly and long enough.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 1:42 AM  

"Also Kelly's Heroes."

It's not hard: You just want the men to be men and the women to be women. To think the precipitous decline took less than 30 or 40 years.

Tragic.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2015 1:44 AM  

My theory: sexual promiscuity prior to marriage not only makes marriage more unlikely but makes marriages more likely to fail. And while it's worse for women (sexually dimorphism - go figure) it's still a problem for men.

I'd like to believe that's true, because it seems like something a Christian should believe, and to say it's not a problem could be seen as saying it's okay for men to fornicate, which I wouldn't want to say. It'd be much more orderly if sexual sin had that kind of direct material consequence, so I'd like that to be true.

But I just don't see the evidence for it. If anything, the evidence seems to point the other way -- a woman is more likely to be happy and stick around if her man has demonstrated sexual prowess with other women. I'm not saying a man should, and I respect men who don't. But women are more attracted to men who could have other women; and in the real world, the man who could have his pick of women generally will have picked a few. And while it generally bothers a woman to be cheated on during the marriage, previous relationships usually don't concern her much (which is probably one reason they don't realize how much their own previous hookups bother men -- projection).

Even the good, virtuous, Christian virgin who officially wants a chaste man for a husband isn't going to be attracted to one on that basis. She's going to have to be attracted to him for other reasons, despite that.

So if a man's sexual history generally doesn't bother a woman, does it cause him problems in marriage? Does it make it harder for him to bond to his wife or be a good husband and father? Not much that I can tell. Men don't seem to have anything analogous to the Alpha Widow, where a woman pines for her past Alpha so much that she can't be satisfied with another man. A man can have fond memories of other women in bed, even hotter ones, and still be quite satisfied with his wife as long as he's attracted to her and she makes some effort. If a man has had hundreds of women, maybe he's such a rover that he won't be able to settle down, but that's rare. On the other hand, it only takes one previous Alpha to spoil a woman's ability to bond; and if she's been with more than a few men, that becomes very likely.

We men really aren't that complicated. If we can get it up for you, we're good to go. If anything, I'd say a man with a regular porn habit is more likely to have marriage problems than a man with a fornication habit.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 1:50 AM  

What we have got ourselves here is one of them durn is/ought problems, goldurnit.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 1:52 AM  

BTW if it seems as if I am giving a pass to those women who abandon their husband and children, or even failing to condemn their treason against the oath they took before God and man, I beg your pardon that my writing failed.

Bait.

No-fault divorce has been a disaster for men, for children, and for women who want a marriage that lasts.

And switch.

You lie like a Calormene. You lie like an ape.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 1:52 AM  

"So if a man's sexual history generally doesn't bother a woman, does it cause him problems in marriage? Does it make it harder for him to bond to his wife or be a good husband and father?"

I would agree. I think a man has the innate capacity to love and care for more than one woman. Maybe not always ideal and generally taboo in Western culture, but there is obviously a lot of precedent, particularly in the Eastern cultures. A woman is simply not designed and wired that way. A man's virginity is simply not as prized and guarded as a precious good and a woman's virginity is considered one of her most precious commodities.

"If anything, I'd say a man with a regular porn habit is more likely to have marriage problems than a man with a fornication habit."

Can't argue with that assertion. The damage he is inflicting upon his soul is significant.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 1:52 AM  

12 O'Clock High

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 1:55 AM  

@181

I'll see your 12 O'Clock High and raise you a Dirty Dozen.

Blogger Conscientia Republicae October 11, 2015 1:58 AM  

Glengarry Glen Ross

*drops mic*

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 1:59 AM  

Listen, Ginger. If you want your Tash, you can keep your Tash.

Blogger Alone in Direwood October 11, 2015 2:00 AM  

The Great Escape is another antidote: not one woman in the entire movie iirc. What's not to love?

Also Kelly's Heroes


Agreed! The Great Escape is one of the few movies I actually own. I haven't seen The Magificent Seven yet, but highly recommend "Seven Samurai".

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 2:05 AM  

A man's virginity is simply not as prized and guarded as a precious good and a woman's virginity is considered one of her most precious commodities.

Category error.

Female honor is the general opinion in regard to a girl that she is pure, and in regard to a wife that she is faithful. The importance of this opinion rests upon the following considerations. Women depend upon men in all the relations of life; men upon women, it might be said, in one only. So an arrangement is made for mutual interdependence — man undertaking responsibility for all woman’s needs and also for the children that spring from their union — an arrangement on which is based the welfare of the whole female race.

Blogger Alone in Direwood October 11, 2015 2:09 AM  

Listen, Ginger. If you want your Tash, you can keep your Tash.

I hear he is inexorable and....*raises eybrow*... irresistable?

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 2:10 AM  

Must... resist... Ginger pussy joke.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 2:12 AM  

@186

Category error.

Female honor is the general opinion in regard to a girl that she is pure, and in regard to a wife that she is faithful. The importance of this opinion rests upon the following considerations. Women depend upon men in all the relations of life; men upon women, it might be said, in one only.

Yes, good point. Thanks for fixing that for me.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 2:14 AM  

The joke on me is that I was reading Schopenhaueur last night and got frustrated and bored with the verbosity, and so put him away upstairs in the disordered stacks.

And then tonight, I found the need for this exact quotation, and I had to walk very quietly upstairs and find the book.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 2:16 AM  

"And then tonight, I found the need for this exact quotation, and I had to walk very quietly upstairs and find the book."

How fortuitous . . . for both of us.

Blogger automatthew October 11, 2015 2:17 AM  

Virtuous solipsism is when you realize that you're the joke.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) October 11, 2015 2:24 AM  

Seven Samurai is currently available on Hulu

Blogger Lost Pilgrim October 11, 2015 2:43 AM  

If you have not watched The Magnificent Seven, drop every other plan you have for tomorrow after church and go find it.

Blogger Rabbi B October 11, 2015 2:48 AM  

@194

Preach it.

Blogger Brad Andrews October 11, 2015 3:49 AM  

Sleeping around is hazardous for men as well. That silly bonding thing gets in the picture. Some may work past it, but that does not mean it helps. It is still baggage that impacts the marriage.

Most of those who will divorce today and likely all who will do so for vague reasons of unhappiness and so-called abuse are not virtuous. A chaste woman may put up with a former cad, but it is not smart for her to pick one either, whether she does so or not.

Most of you rightly oppose the feminist marriage, yet you think men sleeping around is hunky dory.

That is not consistent with aiming at the just Christian society principles John Wright mentioned and some of us greatly support. Just because it is hard does not mean we should not aim at it.

Sleeping around by all is working so well anyway, right?

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 11, 2015 3:50 AM  

No. 177. You make some good points. I'll need to think about this some more.

Blogger Brad Andrews October 11, 2015 4:01 AM  

Team Woman is out in force tonight.

I missed the earlier discussion, but if saying "men are prone to sin as well" puts me in "team women" your view is quite messed up. That would surprise quite a few who know me in person as well.

The one who files for divorce is not necessarily the one who caused it. That can certainly be the case and I would bet it is in the majority of cases, but men are sinful as well and a statistic does not remove that fact.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) October 11, 2015 4:01 AM  

@ Overgrown Hobbit

As someone else pointed out already, your seem to have fallen victim to the Apex Fallacy. Like most women, you're focusing on the alphas and the players and ignoring the >80% of other men who might just as well be invisible. Far fewer men than women are capable of riding the Carousel, and even fewer yet can ride it as easily and as frequently as the average young woman. Most of us have to exert considerable effort to get laid, whereas for a woman it takes effort to NOT get laid. There's a reason young men pay for prostitutes but young women don't.

It's been said many times before, but still needs to be said again- women are the gatekeepers of sex, while men are the gatekeepers of commitment. A man can have sex with women he doesn't love, and easily forget about them to marry a woman he does. Whereas a woman can have sex with many men she does love (or comes to love- see oxytocin), but then settle for marrying a man she doesn't love because of money, security, she thinks her time is running out, etc. "Alpha F*cks and Beta Bucks." Both male and female promiscuity before marriage is bad, but the latter is much more common and easily attained than the former, and also much more likely to lead to societal ruin.

Blogger Brad Andrews October 11, 2015 4:05 AM  

I'd like to believe that's true, because it seems like something a Christian should believe, and to say it's not a problem could be seen as saying it's okay for men to fornicate, which I wouldn't want to say. It'd be much more orderly if sexual sin had that kind of direct material consequence, so I'd like that to be true.

Cail, you might want to read the Scriptures I believe you say you follow. Especially Proverbs. Sexual sin is harmful, even if the consequences seem to be delayed.

The corruption of "good girls" does not prove that sexual sin is no longer important, but that a corrupt message reinforced by a corrupt society can be corrupting. No real news there.

Too many treat this as an either-or situation. Women do not have to take all the blame more than men need to take it all. Plenty of responsibility and reason for failure to go around.

I would bet that a great many of those men did not follow strong principles, like maintaining the proper frame. That doesn't make it all their fault, but it does explain why even the good can fall apart.

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