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Friday, October 09, 2015

Fourmilog review

John Walker reviews SJWs Always Lie at None Dare Call It Reason:
This book is a superbly written history of GamerGate and the revolt against SJWs in science fiction and fantasy writers' associations and fandom, but also provides deep insight into the seriously dysfunctional world of the SJW and advice about how to deal with them and what to do if you find yourself a target. The tactics of the SJWs are laid bare, and practical advice is given as to how to identify SJWs before they enter your organisation and how to get rid of them if they're already hired. (And get rid of them you must; they're like communists in the 1930s–1950s: once in place they will hire others and promote their kind within the organisation. You have to do your homework, and the Internet is your friend—the most innocuous co-worker or prospective employee may have a long digital trail you can find quickly with a search engine.)

There is no compromising with these people. That has been the key mistake of those who have found themselves targeted by SJWs. Any apology will be immediately trumpeted as an admission of culpability, and nothing less than the complete destruction of the career and life of the target will suffice. They are not well-meaning adversaries; they are enemies, and you must, if they attack you, seek to destroy them just as they seek to destroy you. Read Alinsky; they have. I'm not suggesting you call in SWAT raids on their residences, dig up and release damaging personal information on them, or make anonymous bomb threats when they gather. But be aware that they have used these tactics repeatedly against their opponents.

You must also learn that SJWs have no concern for objective facts. You can neither persuade nor dissuade them from advancing their arguments by citing facts that falsify their claims. They will repeat their objectively false talking points until they tire you out or drown out your voice. You are engaging in dialectic while they are employing rhetoric. To defeat them, you must counter their rhetoric with your own rhetoric, even when the facts are on your side.
The word is spreading. I appreciate the efforts some of you have been making to bring the book to the attention of those with platforms to reach potential readers that I cannot.

And an Amazon reviewer asked a question that merited a response:
Very funny, but why get embroiled in fights with crazy people in the first place? You can't win, they are not open to logic, and nobody benefits one way or the other. Some SJWs will grow up and realize their silliness, but others, like the hags of N.O.W., never change or advance. The general public is oblivious, and always will be.
Why? Because you can't avoid them. They are on the Long March through the institutions and organizations of the West and they will attack everyone who does not submit to the Narrative. They are not open to logic, but you can win and I am living proof that you can benefit from standing up to them and defeating them.

And while the general public is oblivious, it will not always be. There is absolutely no reason for defeatism when until recently, most of us didn't even realize they have been attacking and undermining Western civilization for over 150 years. We not only CAN win, we WILL win because reality always reimposes itself in the end.

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65 Comments:

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 8:09 AM  

That guy kinda answered his own question. Why fight them? Because the general public is oblivious. Fighting them lays them bare for all to see.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 09, 2015 8:21 AM  

I don't think the public is oblivious. They just haven't seen much in the way of resistance to SJWs until now.

This is much of Trump's appeal.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 09, 2015 8:36 AM  

but why get embroiled in fights with crazy people in the first place?

because ignore them and you lose.

Trump is a hoax, he is not anti-establishment. Anyone who thinks government taking away you property and giving it to a corporation (ie: not for public use) is a crony insider who hates capitalism.

Blogger Badmojo October 09, 2015 8:37 AM  

I think the public is oblivious because - on the surface - their requests seem reasonable. After all, who wants to get attacked or threatened? It's when the useful idiots realize that simple disagreement is being "attacked or threatened" that it's already too late.

I'm constantly reminded of that opening scene in The Matrix. The cops tell the Agents that they're already moving to engage Trinity and say something like "my men will have her in a minute" and the Agent Smith says "No captain, your men are already dead."

Blogger Tamquam October 09, 2015 8:38 AM  

The general public may well be oblivious, taken as a whole. But individuals are not the whole. When SJWs attack as specific enterprise or association those individuals will notice even as the general public will not. SJW attack methodology only really came to my attention (and incomplete understanding) when Brendan Eich was 'indicted' for making a modest donation to Proposition 8, which I supported.

Just as the Left is infiltrating bit by bit, so bit by bit the public becomes aware - and resentful. They sow the seeds of their own destruction. SJWs Always Lie, if I may be permitted a modest prediction, will prove to be as useful to those who abhor slavery as Alinsky's Rules for Radicals was to the Communists.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 09, 2015 8:57 AM  

First they come for your ChikfilA then they come for you.

Blogger Tucci October 09, 2015 9:18 AM  

I've been pulling "fair use" quotations from your book in Web log comments for some days now, particularly with regard to the Social Justice Warrior identity among the anthropogenic global warming (er, "climate change") alarmists.

Not the charlatans and quacks actually perpetrating this preposterous fraud (they know PRECISELY how flagrant are their lies, and they're not deceived by those confabulations at all; read through the Climategate e-mails in which they'd been concerting their conspiracy) but within the much larger True Believer cadres who accept as received wisdom ("97%" and all similar bullshit) this immense antiscientific bogosity.

SJWs Always Lie is a remarkably well-constructed body of expostulatory prose, and considering how rapidly you'd brought it to publication is even more praiseworthy than would otherwise be the case.

Blogger Student in Blue October 09, 2015 9:21 AM  

(they know PRECISELY how flagrant are their lies, and they're not deceived by those confabulations at all; read through the Climategate e-mails in which they'd been concerting their conspiracy)

I wouldn't be, and you shouldn't be either, surprised if a number of the charlatans and quacks perpetrating it are also True Believers.

Rationalization is a hell of a drug. They change the data for our own benefit, don't you know? This is for the good of us all even if they have to lie and lie constantly for it.

Blogger Nate October 09, 2015 9:22 AM  

"Very funny, but why get embroiled in fights with crazy people in the first place? "

/facepalm

They are going to engage you nice and hard. You have little say in the matter.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 09, 2015 9:23 AM  

I personally wish to be free from the thought police, but the SJW demand I submit to the thought police. And personally I find the SJW to be with out virtue and they simply won't try to convince me otherwise

Blogger Nate October 09, 2015 9:23 AM  

Also... the public isn't oblivious at all. Everyone that's ever sat through yet another pointless HR meeting knows exactly what an SJW is and knows exactly what damage they do.

That's why the term has spread so quickly and is so easily understood.

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 9:25 AM  

SJWs Always Lie, if I may be permitted a modest prediction, will prove to be as useful to those who abhor slavery as Alinsky's Rules for Radicals was to the Communists.

If I had the perspective to write it credibly, I'd love to see the companion piece not be another an additional SJWs Always Double Down or whatever, but something along the lines of Cuckservatives Always Fail or something like that. I agree with you, in other words, that the SJW topic is well-treated in this book already; to the point that an additional volume in the SJW series is at risk of beating a dead horse rather than really bringing something new to the table.

Blogger VD October 09, 2015 9:28 AM  

I've been pulling "fair use" quotations from your book in Web log comments for some days now, particularly with regard to the Social Justice Warrior identity among the anthropogenic global warming (er, "climate change") alarmists.

Good. Spread the word. Share the concepts.

Blogger SciVo October 09, 2015 9:39 AM  

Tamquam @5: Just as the Left is infiltrating bit by bit, so bit by bit the public becomes aware - and resentful. They sow the seeds of their own destruction. SJWs Always Lie, if I may be permitted a modest prediction, will prove to be as useful to those who abhor slavery as Alinsky's Rules for Radicals was to the Communists.

Agreed on all counts. I also have a theory that there is a generational element with Boomer white-knighters thinking that arrogant, violent young women are cute and providing them with cover, whereas Gen-Xers have no reason to pedestalize their peers, so we may see some changes soon.

Blogger MendoScot October 09, 2015 9:48 AM  

Coincidentally, I was contemplating the question of their motivations this morning. I find it hard to believe that they wake up thinking “Who am I going to destroy today?”. Then I recalled some observations on mankind’s inability to live with silence that I read many years ago.

Silence. All human unhappiness comes from not knowing how to stay quietly in a room.
Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)

These are so often damaged people. They need the focus on others behaviour so they don’t have to listen to the screaming in their brains. Or, as the good Doctor asked, “Have the lambs stopped screaming, Clarice?”.

Blogger VFM 188 October 09, 2015 9:57 AM  

Why get embroiled in fights with crazy people in the first place? You can't win, they are not open to logic, and nobody benefits one way or the other.

This is the traditional hunker-down attitude. In the 20th century it resulted in victories everywhere for communists/Nazis/fascists (all on the same team). It's like hiding in your tent, hoping the crocodile won't attack. But it will...it will EAT you if you do nothing.

Blogger VFM 188 October 09, 2015 10:00 AM  

First they come for your ChikfilA then they come for you.

Wrong, Skylark! First they come for your Chick-fil-A, then they come for your Duck Dynasty...THEN they come for you. :--)

Blogger VFM 188 October 09, 2015 10:05 AM  

I've been pulling "fair use" quotations from your book in Web log comments for some days now.

Me too, and on an ongoing basis. It's both fun and important. Note how the reviews on Amazon, now at 227, are still coming in. Continue spreading the word about this book. Everywhere.

Blogger Vogon X October 09, 2015 10:08 AM  

The SJWs are out there! They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or shame. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until they have absolute power.

Blogger Jack Ward October 09, 2015 10:10 AM  

@5
So, we could think of Vox Day as a modern day Wilberforce trying to save us from the version of slavery envisioned by the sjw and their ilk.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 09, 2015 10:11 AM  

" Everyone that's ever sat through yet another pointless HR meeting knows exactly what an SJW is and knows exactly what damage they do."

We had to sit thru a required HR Class where we would know that screaming when you find the person with male pattern baldness in a dress standing in the stall next door to you in the Ladies Room doing their business is inappropriate.

Blogger Dexter October 09, 2015 10:16 AM  

we could think of Vox Day as a modern day Wilberforce trying to save us from the version of slavery envisioned by the sjw and their ilk.

Except Wilberforce was a leftist SJW.

Blogger Josh October 09, 2015 10:21 AM  

Except Wilberforce was a leftist SJW.

I don't think those words mean what you think they do.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 09, 2015 10:27 AM  

@17 VFM I'd never paid attention to Duck Dynasty as there are enough Louisiana Rednecks in my family already. Then I made a comment on Twitter when the forced participation in Gay Marriage was upheld by the courts saying expect lowering age of consent to be the next thing they would agitate for. Some woman sent me a quote from one of the Duck Dynasty guys joking that you have to marry a girl young to get her to clean your ducks for you and tried to use a joke as an example that conservatives were for lowering the age of consent???

I knew trying to explain to her addled brain that she was using a joke to make a point was useless. Now just as I predicted we're seeing the first SJW columns about how the age of consent is a bad thing and all 'love' should be celebrated just as predicted.

Blogger Rabbi B October 09, 2015 10:27 AM  

Very funny, but why get embroiled in fights with crazy people in the first place? You can't win, they are not open to logic, and nobody benefits one way or the other.

Error does not become the truth just because the vast majority of people accept and promulgate it, and the truth does not become error just because the vast majority of people are too afraid or too weak to stand by it and defend it.

We are fighting on the side that has already won, our victory is predetermined because we fight on the side of the truth and there is never any question of defeat, unless we roll over and decide to take the advice of these smarmy, mealy-mouthed defeatists and naysayers. And everybody benefits, most especially those committed to the fight as well as the SJW. He just doesn't know it - yet.

This defeatist attitude really rankles.

Blogger Dexter October 09, 2015 10:35 AM  

Except Wilberforce was a leftist SJW.

I don't think those words mean what you think they do.


Dude... freeing the niggers was one of the FIRST Social Justice Crusades.

OpenID karsten0 October 09, 2015 10:51 AM  

"In the 20th century it resulted in victories everywhere for communists/Nazis/fascists (all on the same team)"

Keep pounding this lie all you want, you and your ilk. I know: like all of your sort, you keep repeating the lie and repeating it so that the lie becomes doctrine. But it remains a lie. They were not on the same team. They were opposites in every way that matters.

the National Socialists were the bitterest enemies of the Communists, and no one, but no one, fought the Communists harder than did the National Socialists. They ultimately lost to the Communists -- but hey, practically the whole world was fighting on the side of the Communists. America, Britain, and France were literally fighting on the side of the Communists.

And most importantly, the National Socialists didn't fight the Communists for their economic policies, which were hardly the worst thing about them. No, they fought them for their cultural policies -- which, as we have seen, was always their most destructive, toxic aspect. The National Socialists were fighting Cultural Marxism before anyone had even identified Cultural Marxism as a distinct "thing."

Everything that is killing the West today (Frankfurt School infiltration, degeneracy, gay marriage, race mixing, foreign invasion, plutocracy and Judeocorporatism, etc.) the National Socialists were against. They were militant traditionalists and militant cultural warriors -- and no one has yet caused the Marxists more grief and given them more trouble (even if they ultimately lost to them) than the National Socialists did.

There's a good reason why, to Leftists of every sort, the National Socialists remain their supreme devils, their ultimate boogeymen, the one world-view that they all come together to denounce, more than they do Christianity or Islam or capitalism or anything else: because it was their toughest foe, and they always fear its resurrection as they fear nothing else.

Blogger Jack Ward October 09, 2015 11:07 AM  

@ 22
Maybe. He was also a moving force in the abolition of slavery by HM ships and trade. Perhaps, even if you assume Wilberforce was an sjw, a label I'm not sure applies, the so called sjw in those days might be like the old style liberals here. By the definition of old school liberal here in America I would be one. And, I give ground to no one in my support of the Constitution and conservative principals.

Blogger Jack Ward October 09, 2015 11:10 AM  

@26

Dexter, I think you are making another category error. Ending slavery, regardless the racial makeup of the majority of slaves, was a great thing. Anyone who calls themselves an American and a lover of freedoms given by God has to abhor the idea of slavery.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 09, 2015 11:15 AM  

SJWAL is not another important conservative book it is actually a useful book

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 11:29 AM  

karsten0—so what? The Nazis and the Communists fought not so much over ideology but over who would be in charge. Most of the degeneracy wasn't present in Marxism yet at that early date either. That's more a product of the sexual revolution and other movements that postdate the war by at least two decades.

Blogger Banjo October 09, 2015 12:04 PM  

Somewhat tangential to the topic.

For anyone who hasn't been reading VD long, and hasn't yet read SJWs Always Lie, be warned that once things start to click you will be unable to enjoy most popular entertainment, and especially TV shows and movies. The SJW ichor is in Every Fucking Thing. Lots of shows I _used_ to like are unwatchable for me now. The latest being the TV show Castle. Humor, hot chick, and Mal Reynolds (I mean Nathan Fillion) as the writer/detective titular character... what's not to like?

Oh the signs were there from the very beginning:
1. Kick-ass main chick
2. Affirmative action boss (subsequently replaced by hard-assed AA female)
3. Affirmative action sidekick (Latino)
4. Affirmative action female medical examiner
5. Most bad guys are white
6. Castle is the standard white man-boob who is always outdone by his mother, daughter, and love interest (how the hell did he even get rich anyway)?

BVP (before vox populi) that stuff wasn't even noticed.

Now it's AVP for me and I couldn't HELP but to notice that in the latest few episodes we have the following:
1. Whereas it took Castle months and months of effort to obtain his PI license and to solve his first case, his newly-graduated-from-college (with what degree, I don't recall being told) daughter doesn't bother with a license and solves three cases all by her lonesome.
2. Said daughter turns out to be a computer whiz out of nowhere. She literally elbows aside the professional tech guy to show her prowess.
3. Brand new kick-ass chick shows up to kick some ass and, I presume, influence the daughter.
4. And what do you know, when the original kick-ass chick needs some help, they introduce YET ANOTHER ASS-KICKING CHICK! This one old enough to be a grandmother (indeed, she is Castle's step-mom). I shit you not.
5. The two other detectives (Irish and Latino males) have been reduced to man-boob status as well. Full-grown 40 year old men decide they are going to infiltrate a college campus to talk to a suspect. Of course they are found out and shown up by the afforementioned daughter who I can only assume will start her very own kick-assery in the next few episodes.
6. Main kick-ass chick decides that in order to save Castle, she has to leave him (it's all so very hard). But... not to go anywhere. Turns out she's staying in town and keeping her current job... and still runs into her husband so they can exchange looks of longing... W. T. F.
7. Castle decides he is going to "win" her back. By solving cases for/with her. By doing her job FOR her. RUFKM!

Ugh.

VFM 0131

Blogger Patrick Kelly October 09, 2015 12:11 PM  

I'm seeing and increased aggressiveness against SJW-dom in social media posts and comments about Planned Abortionhood and gun-control.

The writers may have read this blog or SJWAL, or it's just a parallel phenomena, but the rhetoric is ratcheting up quite a bit, without apologies, taking no quarter. And the moderates are going into squee conniptions...

OpenID everybodyhatesscott October 09, 2015 12:13 PM  

Got a couple of people to read the book. A few others won't read it cause of who you are and warned me about how it looks associating with 'white supremacist' Vox Day (theodore beale). They always add 'Theodore Beale' Cracks me up at this point.

OpenID Steve October 09, 2015 12:15 PM  

but why get embroiled in fights with crazy people in the first place? Because they will stab you in the back anyway.

Silence. All human unhappiness comes from not knowing how to stay quietly in a room. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)

It is unbelievable how many people can not abide silence.

screaming when you find the person with male pattern baldness in a dress standing in the stall next door to you in the Ladies Room

One meeting I wanted to scream at was a mandatory meeting on a day off, when I got the call I said "I guarantee you I will not be picking up multiple hookers, while wearing my hospital ID" which would seem like a relevant mandatory HR meeting at the time, especially since not being black I could be fired for such if they came in to the ER complaining of assualt, but no I came in on a day off when I would be sleeping to get tips on how not to have my purse stolen.

Now just as I predicted we're seeing the first SJW columns about how the age of consent is a bad thing

That's been going on for decades.

Dude... freeing the niggers was one of the FIRST Social Justice Crusades.

The plan was to send them back to Africa , and use Greenbacks instead of letting a private central bank print the currency. Guess the demographic of Lincoln's killer?

OpenID karsten0 October 09, 2015 12:19 PM  

"karsten0—so what? The Nazis and the Communists fought not so much over ideology but over who would be in charge. Most of the degeneracy wasn't present in Marxism yet at that early date either. That's more a product of the sexual revolution and other movements that postdate the war by at least two decades."

You really, really don't know your history:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY33e0GQi7Q

The Cultural Marxists were pushing their degeneracy so hard in 1920s Weimar Germany that the nation was turning into a cesspool. Other early CultMarx leaders were perverting their respective nations. (Note in the video what Lukacs was doing in Hungary -- pro-gay anti-family sex ed, decades ahead of its time.)

The '60s counterculture was merely a revival and doubling-down of filth that the early CMs had promoted and instituted prior to WWII.

Sure, the National Socialists and the Communists fought over who would be in charge. Rightly so. The Nat Socs were trying to save Germany from what the Marxists were doing to it, and what they planned to do to it (corruption that we've seen throughout the West ever since WWII).

With the National Socialists in charge, traditional family values were strongly promoted. With the Leftists in charge, you had the filth of Berlin in the 1920s. It's that simple.

All of this was reflected in the art that they touted: the National Socialists championing noble art and banning depraved art, and the Left pushing degenerate art.

Who's in charge matters

Blogger Eric Castle October 09, 2015 12:21 PM  

@27

Your point about the divergence of the political systems writ large is understood but it need reminded...for some reason...Britain and France were fighting (not necessarily happily) on that "side" because France was *invaded*.

Don't ask me to cry a river about the illogic of a two-front war your apparent heroes had to "endure" with the gloss of dirty-evil Communism when your apparent heroes *started it*!

Blogger Josh October 09, 2015 12:40 PM  

Dude... freeing the niggers was one of the FIRST Social Justice Crusades.

Doubling down on stupid?

Who else always doubles down?

Blogger Josh October 09, 2015 12:41 PM  

Who's in charge matters

Like all leftists, you assume someone needs to be in charge.

Blogger Josh October 09, 2015 12:43 PM  

All of this was reflected in the art that they touted: the National Socialists championing noble art and banning depraved art, and the Left pushing degenerate art.

There's almost no difference between Nazi art and Stalinist art.

And speaking of degeneracy, what about the rampant homosexuality, promiscuity, rape, and drug use by the Nazis?

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 12:59 PM  

@36: You really, really don't know your history:

Yes, I really, really do. If you think that the proto-Cultural Marxist vanguard in intellectual salons in Vienna or Berlin had anything to do with the popular wave of Communism that was poised to sweep Germany in the 30s, you have no idea at all what you're talking about.

With the National Socialists in charge, traditional family values were strongly promoted. With the Leftists in charge, you had the filth of Berlin in the 1920s. It's that simple.

You really don't know what you're talking about. cough cough Lebensborn cough cough.

All of this was reflected in the art that they touted: the National Socialists championing noble art and banning depraved art, and the Left pushing degenerate art.

Again, you really don't know what you're talking about. Nazi and Stalin era art is almost completely indistinguishable from each other.

Blogger pbuxton October 09, 2015 1:41 PM  

Banjo, #32

I know that feeling. I went through all this BVD (Before Vox Day), but I still pine for certain things I wish I could enjoy without reservation.

I had trouble enjoying large parts of Firefly when I first saw it. Later, I learned that Firefly would have made post season five M*A*S*H look like Dragnet. I have a friend who enjoyed Buffy, Angel and Dollhouse. (He's also a much more devoted Voxxer than I.) The part of his brain that reads Vox knows Whedon is full of ShitJW, but the part of his brain that loves these shows can't admit it.

If you're taking suggestions, may I recommend Bob Dylan? The steely-eyed SOB who wrote these lines in 2001 is chock-full of Red Pill:

Sugar baby get on down the road
You ain't got no brains, no how.
You went years without me
Might as well keep going now.


And:

I got a craving love for blazing speed,
Got a hopped-up Mustang Ford.
Jump into the wagon, love,
Throw your panties overboard.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 1:47 PM  

@6 Skylark Thibedeau
First they come for your ChikfilA then they come for you.
---

When I start describing SJWs to people I know, it helps to bring this up. I usually tell them they are the people who went after chick fila, the rebel flag, make people bake cakes for gay weddings, etc. Most people are aware of these type cases, but haven't put together that they are related.

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 09, 2015 1:48 PM  

Like many others, SJWAL has opened my eyes and resulted in a much better understanding of the current cultural milieu, trajectory, and useful counters.

After the Sarah Sharp thing, I started keeping an eye out for an example of a competent, prominent woman in tech who does not indulge her inner SJW. They seem rare. I may have found one in Limor Fried, founder of Adafruit Industries. But I may be wrong. She has gone all pink haired, which is usually a pretty good visual indicator of SJW infestation.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 2:01 PM  

@27 karsten0

Then I guess you must have liked the cartoon yesterday?

Blogger JCclimber October 09, 2015 2:03 PM  

Heh, someone above claiming the National Socialists were about instilling good morals.

I think we're being trolled. Or someone is not going to source material from that era to find out how degenerate and immoral the National Socialists were.

Also ignoring that they fought the Communists so fiercely because they were recruiting from the same demographic.

OpenID tz October 09, 2015 2:07 PM  

Zombie Apocalypse. When meeting a screeching incoherent person with unnatural hair color (zoe, randi, wu, sarchaseehian), terminate with extreme prejudice.

Blogger Martin Davies October 09, 2015 2:07 PM  

"Very funny, but why get embroiled in fights with crazy people in the first place? "

Simply because, as Trotsky said: " You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you."

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 2:08 PM  

I think we're being trolled.

Or he's one of those Stormfronter-style morons who reads history very selectively, ignoring anything that he doesn't like.

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 2:14 PM  

Although, to be fair, I'll still stand by my opinion that if we really needed to partner with one evil dictator to take down another, we should have partnered with Hitler to take down Stalin and prevent Mao from happening. And that the resultant Cold War with the Fourth Reich would have been a lot better than the Cold War with the Soviet Union. Not least because I think that the Wehrmacht as a whole would have gotten sick and tired of the party apparatus. It already happened on a smaller scale with the von Stauffenberg plot to kill Hitler and establish control over Germany which really only failed due to bad luck.

But that hardly means that I'm sympathetic to the Nazis or think that they were generally a bunch of OK guys, unlike those dirty cultural Marxists. The Nazis were Marxists through and through.

Blogger Josh October 09, 2015 2:18 PM  

Or he's one of those Stormfronter-style morons who reads history very selectively, ignoring anything that he doesn't like.

Bingo

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 09, 2015 2:19 PM  

@46 Which party did Ernst Rohm and his fellow pink brownshirts in the S.A. belong to? They were as degenerate as the Marxists.

Blogger ray October 09, 2015 2:20 PM  

"Also... the public isn't oblivious at all. Everyone that's ever sat through yet another pointless HR meeting knows exactly what an SJW is and knows exactly what damage they do."


Yep. Everybody knew what was really going on. Both the persecutors and their targets. Rooms full of 'strong men' who sat silently over the past forty years while The Other Guy was singled out and destroyed. The Sexual Harrassment Training Session. The mandatory Full Diversity workshop. The Inclusion Ombudsperson (always a female) lecturing that we had better be much more 'tolerant' of homos, and fem-fascists, and race-gamers . . . or else You Are Next.

Those 'men' sat in those corporate and government and organization meeting rooms, silently accepting their beatdowns and the beatdowns of others. Then they went back to their jobs, duly chastised, and picked up their paycheck at the end of the week. They knew what they were doing, you could see it in their faces as they departed the latest Re-Education session.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 2:22 PM  

I remember one of those damn HR harassment classes where I got the instructor to actually admit something.

It doesn't matter what you actually did, it's what the person accusing you "thinks" you did.

That was a sobering moment for pretty much everyone in that meeting.

Blogger Rabbi B October 09, 2015 2:37 PM  

@54 Were-Puppy

"It doesn't matter what you actually did, it's what the person accusing you "thinks" you did."

And lest we forget: How they FELT about it.

Blogger Danby October 09, 2015 3:41 PM  

@33 Patrick Kelly
I'm seeing and increased aggressiveness against SJW-dom in social media posts and comments about Planned Abortionhood and gun-control.
The writers may have read this blog or SJWAL, or it's just a parallel phenomena, but the rhetoric is ratcheting up quite a bit, without apologies, taking no quarter. And the moderates are going into squee conniptions...


More than a decade ago, Glenn Reynolds described the preference cascade, a phenomenon in which a suppressed popular opinion goes from being essentially invisible to dominating public discourse.
I think that's what we're seeing here.

Blogger ray October 09, 2015 4:33 PM  

"If you're taking suggestions, may I recommend Bob Dylan? The steely-eyed SOB who wrote these lines in 2001 is chock-full of Red Pill"


Many decades before that, he wrote 'Maggie's Farm' and 'It's Alright Ma I'm Only Bleeding' and 'It Aint Me Babe' and a bunch of other RP classics. Way before anybody else was writing, or even talking, about this stuff. So, credit where due.

Possibly the most iconic song of the second-half of the twentieth century was a full-on stomp of Princess Politburo and the consolidating gynarchy: 'Like a Rolling Stone'. It eviscerates the 'Queen of Amerika' although the Boomers, of course, had no clue what he was singing about. And still don't. The truth offends them.

I saw Bob a couple days ago, shilling on teevee for IBM. I'm pretty sure he doesn't need the money lol. Just shook my head. Perhaps he's attempting to be provocative? Or maybe he fell into this world a little deeper than he figured.

Blogger Anthony October 09, 2015 4:55 PM  

SJWs always project: Sidney Blumenthal pushed Hillary to go to war in Libya to benefit his personal business interests.

Blogger VFM 188 October 09, 2015 5:07 PM  

@27, Karsten0: "In the 20th century it resulted in victories everywhere for communists/ Nazis/ fascists (all on the same team)"

Keep pounding this lie all you want, you and your ilk. I know: like all of your sort, you keep repeating the lie and repeating it so that the lie becomes doctrine. But it remains a lie. They were not on the same team. They were opposites in every way that matters.
The National Socialists were the bitterest enemies of the Communists, and no one, but no one, fought the Communists harder than did the National Socialists.


You're sadly in error, Karsten0. The communists were socialist assholes who thought they'd discovered the secret of history through class differences. The Nazis were socialist assholes who thought they'd discovered the secret of history through racial differences. Both were socialist/statist movements except one was nationalist and one was internationalist.

If you read historian Paul Johnson you will learn about the above. If you read philosopher Eric Hoffer in The True Believer you will discover that Hitler had standing orders to instantly welcome any communist who came over to join the Nazis in the 1920's and '30s. With open arms. Why? Someone here already said it: They were recruiting from the same group (socialist idiots), and there's simply not that much difference between an internationalist socialist and a nationalist socialist.

Nazis are assholes because they're socialists, and they killed a lot of people in the 20th century. Communists are assholes because they're socialists, and they killed far more people in the 20th century than the Nazis could ever hope to. Both are statist-collectivist movements. Very similar, which is why they fought each other so hard. (And don't forget the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. The Nazis and the commies got along quite well when they wanted to.)

Blogger epobirs October 09, 2015 5:09 PM  

It's very simple: not fighting is surrender. There is no middle ground with leftists.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2015 7:33 PM  

> If you're taking suggestions, may I recommend Bob Dylan?

"But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody."

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 8:45 PM  

@58 Anthony
SJWs always project: Sidney Blumenthal pushed Hillary to go to war in Libya to benefit his personal business interests.
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Wow, for once I can finally begin to see why we got involved in Libya.

Blogger epobirs October 09, 2015 10:03 PM  

@32

What you are describing is more the failure of post-Shark Jump TV than politics. The moment Castle and Beckett became romantically engaged with each other, the show was on its downward arc. The sexual tension was one of the core elements of the show starting out and like so many shows driven by sexual tension the loss is point where decline begins. Well managed, a show can still have a few good years but the number of episodes will assure a syndication package that makes most of the principals very wealthy and accepting that the end of the series is well in sight. When the 'anything goes' phase set in that is usually the last season or will be followed by a truncated last season because nobody can muster the interest to create another full season.

What was remarkable about Cheers was how they managed to get rid of the female lead (who was hated by nearly everyone to the extent that Kelsey Grammer short term role was made permanent just to annoy her) and keep the show going for many years. This is more easily done on shows that are driven by a profession or ongoing problem not attached to any one character. On shows like CSI nearly the entire cast can be changed out over the years because no one of them was the driving element of the show.

OpenID karsten0 October 09, 2015 10:24 PM  

"Like all leftists, you assume someone needs to be in charge."

Oh, so you're an anarchist?

Kings and noblemen were in charge throughout the feudal era. If you think the feudal system is leftism, your definition is just bizarre.

OpenID karsten0 October 09, 2015 10:55 PM  

Now, as to some of the other points:

-obviously Röhm was a degenerate. And I seem to remember that he was rather tidily done away with -- he and a number of his co-perverts.

-yes, there was a Lebensborn program. But look through the art and culture that was dominantly promoted in the popular culture of the Reich (the films, the advertisements, the literature, and yes, the visual art): the family structure that was promoted was the traditional, patriarchal family, with the father at its head and the mother in a maternal, feminine role; and having children was promoted. By contrast, it was debauched, Marxist, Weimar Berlin that was pushing homosexuality and other perversions - and National Socialism quite efficiently did away with all that.

-and speaking of art, look at the Reich's "Degenerate Art" exhibits: this regime was expressly against the kind of artistic ugliness that the Cultural Marxists have foisted upon us

-while there may indeed be some similarities between Soviet Realism and National Socialist-favoured art (though I find that I can generally distinguish the two), remember: the Soviets were pulling down churches and palaces, and the works that they were banning were works of traditionalism. By contrast, the National Socialists were not demolishing churches and palaces but preserving them; indeed, cultural preservation was one of their major initiatives. And the works that THEY banned (and burned) were pornographic and Marxist and other varies of evil -- things so obscene that "burn it with fire" was indeed a virtue.

-and oh, yes, the Cultural Marxist assault on the traditional family (the same traditional family that the Reich championed) was well under way before the war. View the video I linked and see what Lukacs did in the bolshevik Bela Kuhn government in Hungary in the early 1930s.

-yes, I have no doubt that, besides Rohm, there were a fair bit of personal failings among the Reich's leaders (as there are among any regime's leaders); though it's also fair to consider that perhaps the same enemy that's cooked up stories about skin lampshades and human soap might, just might, be exaggerating a little too, you know?

(But if, say, a leader, as head of the nation's film studio, produces the kind of pro-traditional, pro-masculine and pro-feminine, wholesome, noble movies that were produced in Germany during those years, then I can well forgive him having a mistress.)

But ultimately, the society that they were pursuing was one free of degenerate art, free of degenerate behavior, and frankly, though it wasn't ideal, it was infinitely better than what Soviet Russia was cooking up. And in the long term, it also would have been better by many orders of magnitude than the CultMarx democratic world we int the West as living in now.

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