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Friday, October 16, 2015

Future trends, future history

It would appear that Richard Fernandez sees much the same future unfolding that I do:
Conventional wisdom has had  a pretty bad run these last 15 years.  For that reason there is little purpose to trusting it further. Instead it might be better to predict a future based on observable trends rather than scenarios that politicians offer. If those trends continue one would expect to see in 2025:
  • The self-destruction of the Muslim Middle East;
  • The rise of ethnic and national politics in Europe;
  • The widespread resurgence of religion and cultural identity as a consequence of (2);
  • Mass expulsions or segregation in large parts of the world to deconflict incompatible communities
  • Everyone packing personal weapons like the Wild West
  • The collapse of multi-ethnic countries into simplified pacts based around of national defense, with most social law generated by local communities and affinity groups;
  • One or more large regional wars with casualties in the tens of millions.
  • Several, possibly many WMD attacks on major cities involving radiological weapons, low yield nukes or biological agents.
Such a world would be rough, dangerous and in many places, miserable.   Perhaps it will not even be as good as that; for the list above omits the occurrence of an event equivalent to World War 3, in which case we can describe the future with a single word: ruin.  But it is the world we are building, absent any change of course.  The oddest circumstance is that politicians still pretend without the slightest basis, that if we stay their perverse course we’ll go right through the ruin and out the other side and find the dream we glimpsed as we crossed into the 21st century. 
I'm not concerned about nukes or radiological weapons. What concerns me are genetic weapons. I expect genetic research to be shut down and highly regulated in the relatively near future. In addition to the way advancement in genetic science keeps disrupting the Narrative, it also poses a genuine large-scale threat to Mankind that is very nearly unprecedented in human history.

The events of the post-WWII period desperately need to be chronicled in detail, because future generations need to learn from the utter idiocy of the international policy makers of the last 70 years. In the unlikely event we happen to have enough historians here, I have in mind a project like the Cambridge Medieval History series, where the different writers each focus on a different set of actors. If this is of any interest to you and you think you might have the ability to contribute a section, email me with POSTWAR in the title.

Also, in not entirely unrelated news, we still need 3-5 more non-fiction articles for THERE WILL BE WAR Vol. X. If you're a published military writer, we're looking for high-quality reprints, so if you've got any, let me know.

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109 Comments:

Blogger VFM 188 October 16, 2015 8:35 AM  

In addition to the way advancement in genetic science keeps disrupting the Narrative, it also poses a genuine large-scale threat to Mankind that is very nearly unprecedented in human history.


How so? (I can think of a few scenarios, but am wondering what the Dark Lord might specifically have in mind.)

Blogger Hammerli280 October 16, 2015 8:41 AM  

Pick a plague, any plague. Biological weapons have always been one of the great nightmare scenarios, because they reproduce. With genetic engineering, you can start modifying existing illnesses to be far more lethal and virulent.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 16, 2015 8:42 AM  

@Vox

I expect genetic research to be shut down and highly regulated in the relatively near future.

Why do you think so? I am not challenging you, I am genuinely curious as to your reasoning.

However, you are absolutely right about genetic weapons. When micro-biology grad students get together and try to brainstorm ideas for businesses. About the only thing they ever come up with are gene engineered bioweapons.

Why?

Because it's just so easy. That field is nothing but low hanging fruit. I can even make a safe prediction as to the first one you'll see. Rhabdoviruses. Big bug so it's easy to work with. It's neurotrophins are likewise easy to work with. Best of all, it can be aerosolized.

And honestly this one is nothing. There will be nothing easier than targeting ethnic groups. You can even target for haplotypes.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 16, 2015 8:43 AM  

I happen to be very much an optimist, but my optimism depends entirely on the idiotic schemes of politicians being circumvented by rational people. So I don't see genetics as a likely threat.

As far as TWBW, has Mr. Peter Grant been asked to contribute anything? His articles about the aftermath of natural disasters would probably be a good thing to include, as it would have many parallels to the civilian aftermath of a battle in a populated area.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 16, 2015 8:44 AM  

Sorry if I didn't make that one clear, Rhabdoviruses are the preferred avenue for creating 28 days later type zombies.

I wish I was kidding.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 16, 2015 8:46 AM  

@2
@3

I don't happen to think that doing so will be quite that easy. It could absolutely be done, but I think the risks of a virus or bacterium mutating out of control are far beyond what even semi-rational actors would consider viable. B.O.W.s are a mainstay of 'Resident Evil'-style horror fiction, but a machine is always easier to control and predict.

And I don't think the kind of people irrational enough to consider using them would also possess the means to create such weapons.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 16, 2015 8:48 AM  

Genetic weapons for *targeted assassinations*, maybe. But not as general WMDs.

Blogger Geoff October 16, 2015 8:54 AM  

In a speech just this morning, Toronto's Mayor, John Tory, said:

"Diversity is our single biggest advantage"

This will not end well.

Blogger Alexander October 16, 2015 8:56 AM  

One notes that that what is never stated is how it is an advantage.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 16, 2015 8:58 AM  

Having said that....

I regard Fernandez as one of the best strategic thinkers of our time. Not #1 (Dr. Pournelle owns that), but certainly in the top 10.

However, I think there's reason for optimism. Most of these problems solve each other.

If the Moslem Middle East self-destructs, they don't pose an organized threat to the rest of the world.

If ethnic and national politics rise in Europe, Europe will be much more capable of resisting an onslaught of refugees from the failed Moslem Middle East.

If there is a resurgence of religion and cultural identity, Europe (and hopefully the United States) will become even stronger.

If there are mass expulsions, the resulting states will be culturally united, and thus stronger yet. They will also have much less internal conflict...meaning lower crime rates.

If everyone is wearing a sidearm, crime rates will continue to plummet. And SJWs will find lying a much riskier proposition.

A transformation of multi-ethnic countries into federal systems will enable those countries to hold together under the centrifugal stresses of diversity. Diversity + Flexibility = A Chance At Peace.

A large regional war? Possible. Quite possible in the Middle East.

WMD attacks? As Fernandez himself has pointed out, acquisition of nuclear weapons may prove fatal to the Islamic world. You'll get ONE shot at the United States with WMDs...then we don't send the Army. American doctrine has long been that WMDs are equivalent...meaning we get to use nuclear weapons. Bottled sunshine.

Collapse of Peace on Earth? Sorry, but when Will and Ariel Durant wrote their History of Western Civilization, they did a count. Less than 300 years of peace in nearly 5,000 years of recorded history.

People took the relative peace of the Post-Cold-War era as the norm. It isn't...and never was. Welcome back to reality.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 16, 2015 9:02 AM  

Now, if you want to make money...and win a Nobel Prize...try cracking the code for white blood cells.

Cancer is basically a failure of the immune system's Identification-Friend-or-Foe function. We've all got cancerous cells, but the white blood cells kill them. Sometimes, the IFF gets spoofed...and we get cancer. Crack the code, and you can genetically engineer a white blood cell that isn't affected. Dump a half-pint into an adult every few years as a preventive measure.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 16, 2015 9:03 AM  

@10

Regarding #1 and #3, I'm down with that. #4 I'm hoping will be limited to the *unassimilated*.

#5 is something I'm actually hoping for. People make fun of Chipolte Ninjas, but Dodge City had only 3 non-duel murders in its worst year, from what I read. Dueling is out of fashion in the civilized world, so crime rates might actually drop by that much.

As for a restoration of federalism... Yes, yes, yes, this. I would love to see this.

WMDs? If we got hit with one while someone to the right of Jim Webb was president, then yes, that would be the end of whoever threw it. But if it's anyone to the left.... well, even liberals were admitting in 2002 that Gore would have been a disaster on 9-11.

OpenID RambleAround October 16, 2015 9:18 AM  

There will be a reset, history indicates as much. But will it be like any of the resets that have happened before?

Blogger S1AL October 16, 2015 9:22 AM  

@13 - There's never been a global reset before. This time around has that potential.

Blogger Desiderius October 16, 2015 9:25 AM  

"the utter idiocy of the international policy makers of the last 70 years"

My guess is that future historians will note that the achilles heel of this period was the exact opposite of idiocy: an over-reliance on exclusively abstract thinking and thinkers over the concrete, creating a vulnerability to memetic warfare.

OpenID RambleAround October 16, 2015 9:27 AM  

@14 - Of course there has. Either way, I wasn't necessarily speaking of global only

Blogger Doom October 16, 2015 9:58 AM  

The one problem you both share? You think there is an option. Soon or late it has to happen. And, if survived, happen again and again until one of two things happen. Either peace on earth or the end of time for man. It isn't an option, only a matter of time... since both biblically and historically (not much difference in those in truth) man has proven incapable of living in peace.

Granted, stalling as long as possible is fine. Better than fine. That is the last task, as I see things, that God gave us. While we can't save ourselves, we can create more souls to potentially be saved. If... there is some theory that the well of souls is limited (I don't think so myself). Faith restores that number, and more.

It will happen. In 2025 or 5291, it will happen... the end of man by war. Sure, we are scraping and pushing that line currently. Still, from a bliblical perspective, I am not seeing the signs and portents for end times, if that doesn't exclude another form of the flood scenario. More, I am beginning to believe, even as weak as we are, there are too many Christians. Even the weak sort seem to, when pushed, balk against the lash. Too many Christians with too much access to real political power. Could be baffled and tricked, they are weak for the most part, but I see that there are too many for the ball to be trickled through to the goal. The economic collapse may "require" a major bloodletting.... an attempt by the thieves who destroyed to economy to escape, a tantrum by the powerful who will fall for it, and anger by the masses at having been tricked, cheated, lied to, stolen from, and damaged. May not be the end though. How many Romes have fallen up to this point? Class? All of them, save this one, and only just so far.

Blogger Cinco October 16, 2015 10:03 AM  

@Geoff

"Diversity is our single biggest advantage"

If you think of it as a prayer to their God, "the State" it kind of makes sense.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 16, 2015 10:07 AM  

WMDs? If we got hit with one while someone to the right of Jim Webb was president, then yes, that would be the end of whoever threw it. But if it's anyone to the left.... well, even liberals were admitting in 2002 that Gore would have been a disaster on 9-11.

This! If Gore had actually won the liberals admitting it would have been a disaster would instead be holding his water for him.

My concern is that one of the moslem groups manages to get their hands on a WMD while Obama is still in office. Does anyone seriously think his reaction is going to be to respond in kind?

Blogger Cinco October 16, 2015 10:07 AM  

I personally believe that genetic warfare is one subject where the Isreali's can actually repay Western Civ. If anyone is working on a plan to combat an army that numbers in the tens of millions without going nuclear, it's them. What the plague doesn't kill, the Cholera and Typhus caused by the dead will slow down or wipe out.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 16, 2015 10:09 AM  

@8 Geoff
In a speech just this morning, Toronto's Mayor, John Tory, said:

"Diversity is our single biggest advantage"

This will not end well.
----

"Diversity is our single biggest disadvantage"


Edited for clarity.

Blogger Alexander October 16, 2015 10:16 AM  

WMDs? If we got hit with one while someone to the right of Jim Webb was president, then yes, that would be the end of whoever threw it. But if it's anyone to the left.... well, even liberals were admitting in 2002 that Gore would have been a disaster on 9-11.

Nothing would guarantee the total supremacy of an American Armageddon Party more quickly than a sitting government that failed to respond to a nuclear attack on America. Barring those who are actively and knowingly-supporting the destruction of America, the entire population would be outraged. Even useful idiot liberals have an underlying assumption that 'homeland' is a 'safe space' even while their actions dismantle that.

I think Kratman's portrayal in Caliphate is very accurate.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 16, 2015 10:16 AM  

@19 I actually think he would resign in that case. I think most of his own base would turn on him if he refused to fight back, especially since a big portion of that base lives in likely targets (DC, NYC, etc.), and thus the worst of them would probably be wiped out.

What's that saying, putting a gun to a man's head focuses his attention? 9-11 got liberals out of their insane fog for a couple years, and that was just 3 buildings. A nuke, even a small one, would get their support for retaliation for at least 5 years, I think.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 16, 2015 10:16 AM  

"Diversity is our single biggest advantage"

Translated into English that phrase means:

I'm a platitude spouting moron.

Blogger The Other Robot October 16, 2015 10:17 AM  

Some believed that with enough shovels we could survive Nuclear War. Maybe so.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 16, 2015 10:18 AM  

@24

Yeah, that's virtue-signaling, not someone saying something they actually understand. Once again, someone fails to give words the respect they deserve.

Blogger Doom October 16, 2015 10:18 AM  

Cinco,

Israel? There are more countries actively seeking that sort of thing than I have fingers, maybe toes if the lower tier aren't every going to get it... if they do their laxity will probably wipe their country out (first anyway). Not even Russia or China want to actually go nuke. Why do you think, even with rabid leftists in power in most governments, we haven't had a global war in nearing a century? Though I am wondering if ebola isn't weaponized, or being (accidentally or pseudo intentionally) weaponized.

Then again, with "scientific consensus" that the world is overpopulated and 90% need to go, I have no doubts that the work you discuss is not only .gov and .mil, or for defense or offense. I am very surprised .aca hasn't created and released a super bug already, just "cause". They are not our friend. Much worse than nationalism or even religion (at least religion without science, and only some (one?) religions even so).

Blogger ZhukovG October 16, 2015 10:26 AM  

I believe Europe's future will be a return to a system of Great Powers. Similar in many respects to the late Victorian period. I also believe that the European Great Powers will once again have colonial empires, largely in Africa, but also some areas in the Middle East, East Asia and possibly even in North and South America.

Africa, Asia and the Americas are by various routes headed for catastrophe. Overpopulation, Economic Collapse, Cultural Conflict will cause widespread misery and destruction.

Into this horror the Great Powers of Europe will intervene. The White Man's Burden, once a Kipling poem aimed at the US, will be adopted by Europe. It will at least initial be for humanitarian reasons, but it will ultimately be a return to the age European Imperialism.

As for the US, I believe we will face a rise in Cultural Nationalism within our borders and break up into several nations, some may even be Great Powers themselves and create their own colonial empires. Others may face different fates. Who knows, the United Kingdom might even get New England back.

This is a possible future I see anyway, barring Global Thermonuclear War.



Blogger Sheila4g October 16, 2015 10:30 AM  

I've read quite a bit of TEOTWAWKI fiction, a fair amount of which has one group or another utilizing genetically-engineered viruses. In on case its creators hadn't manufactured a cure before the local zealots spread the disease, which affected all and sundry world wide. In another, it was Israelis targeting Arabs and not accounting sufficiently for their genetic relatedness and ending up wiped out themselves. I have no scientific background at all so I don't know how possible either scenario is (from a purely biological/genetic point of view) but from a political one, I don't find either implausible.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 16, 2015 10:38 AM  

In a speech just this morning, Toronto's Mayor, John Tory, said:

"Diversity is our single biggest advantage"


Just by the fact they keep having to remind us of this, is enough to show that it is nonsense.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 16, 2015 10:58 AM  

Plagues are not as simple as many believe. Infectious vectors are measured across two major dimensions, communicability, and lethality.

Ebola is the big bogeyman today, but it doesn't take long to realise that while it is (relatively) highly lethal, it isn't as easily communicated as other infections. If a highly lethal and highly communicable infection existed, it would soon kill off its hosts and could exist thereafter only among hosts that acted as carriers but were not susceptible to major infections of the sort that make you ill or kill you. In other words, in those creatures whose immune systems were strong enough to keep it under control.

The strep infections are highly communicable but very rarely lethal.

And we all carry various parasites that are low on both dimensions.

I strongly suspect that engineering a virus that is high on both dimensions is a lot harder than it sounds, that there's a fair amount of unwarranted faith in our own abilities involved in fearing such a thing.

(I could of course be horribly wrong.)


@Doom: re the end of everything ... I think you're missing something. The bible describes a world-wide conflict between righteous believers and apostate believers. Unbelievers rarely figure in a major way. Even now, at their height historically, unbelievers are a tiny minority. But a religious conflict that morphs into WW3 would be totally in keeping with point 3.

Blogger Rabbi B October 16, 2015 11:00 AM  

The self-destruction of the Muslim Middle East;

The rise of ethnic and national politics in Europe;

The widespread resurgence of religion and cultural identity as a consequence of (2);

Mass expulsions or segregation in large parts of the world to deconflict incompatible communities

Everyone packing personal weapons like the Wild West

The collapse of multi-ethnic countries into simplified pacts based around of national defense, with most social law generated by local communities and affinity groups;

One or more large regional wars with casualties in the tens of millions.

Several, possibly many WMD attacks on major cities involving radiological weapons, low yield nukes or biological agents.


In other words, the final run-up to Armageddon. Interesting times indeed. May the Son of Man find faith(ful) on the earth when He comes.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 16, 2015 11:00 AM  

@6

The lack of a reliable self-destruct timer is the only reason you haven't seen this one yet. But it's coming and when it arrives bio-weaponry will move from the world of the wheel-lock to that of the '98 Mauser.


Targeted assassination is possible but less likely. First of all you have to get a really good, clean sample. That's not as easy as people think. Toe nail clippings won't do it. Especially once you start guarding against that kind of thing. ISIS and AQ leaders are already doing that. They are sending up a genetic dust cloud of bad intel. Samples provided to our sources from fourth cousins, that kind of thing. Arabs are naturals at deception ops.

And then it is a long term project, at least two years until you have your bug. Plus, there is going to be a lot collateral, mostly this will be your target's family within two to maybe three generations (Grandma, Grandpa, your target's brother's kids (etc.)) because by its nature your one off bug is not going to be very accurate.

Besides, if you develop enough intel to come up with a delivery vector for that, you be better sending JDAM down it.

Regardless, I can already see a day when everyone is carrying around a kind of insulin pump dispenser constantly getting the latest updates for your immune system.

Blogger James Dixon October 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

> I expect genetic research to be shut down and highly regulated in the relatively near future.

I expect them to try. I don't expect it to be successful.

> And I don't think the kind of people irrational enough to consider using them would also possess the means to create such weapons.

From what I understand, and I'm not even an informed layman in the field so that this with a grain of salt, the means are readily available at prices a medium sized company (much less a nation state or someone like Gates or Buffet) could afford, and getting cheaper every day.

> It will happen. In 2025 or 5291, it will happen... the end of man by war.

Only if we maintain civilizations capable of maintaining/improving current levels of technology. What if the advanced technological societies and their genetic potential get wiped out?

> My concern is that one of the moslem groups manages to get their hands on a WMD while Obama is still in office. Does anyone seriously think his reaction is going to be to respond in kind?

Do you really think he'll be given an option? That's the one thing I can think of that could get him removed from office by Congress.

Blogger Engineer-Poet October 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

"even liberals were admitting in 2002 that Gore would have been a disaster on 9-11."

After 9/11, Bush spirited his Saudi friends out of the country, doubled down on "anti-profiling", and gave us the disastrous TSA.  I don't see how Gore could have been worse, especially given that a Republican congress wouldn't have handed him so much executive authority.

Bush was so bad I cast my one vote for a dhimmicrat in 2004, in the hope that a change of administration would at least slow down the neocons.  Not that it mattered in a state that has reliably elected Dhims to the Senate for decades, but I did it anyway.

OpenID Steve October 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

whoever threw it. But if it's anyone to the left.... well, even liberals were admitting in 2002 that Gore would have been a disaster on 9-11

Both girly girls and girly men react badly when force is used to protect them-BGS

Even useful idiot liberals have an underlying assumption that 'homeland' is a 'safe space' even while their actions dismantle that

There are still plenty of liberals in NYC after 911

How so? (I can think of a few scenarios, but am wondering what the Dark Lord might specifically have in mind.)

Think of a Bond, Gheynigga Bond spreading a disease that could that would wipe out everyone without Neanderthal DNA. The H_N_ series of viruses no big deal to whites, but mestizos acted like you spread a deadly version of Antabuse by aerosol spray. Of course the problem is if the virus mutated to adapt to others on its own.

"Diversity is our single biggest advantage"

We are in the red hemoraging cash but at least we are diverse. If only we can get a bigger affirmative action contract like the Obamacare website did.

Collapse of Peace on Earth?History of Western Civilization.. Less than 300 years of peace in nearly 5,000 years of recorded history
I gave up trying to explain that to people a long time ago.

I personally believe that genetic warfare is one subject where the Isreali's can actually repay Western Civ

As if the Sampson option was not bad enough.

Some believed that with enough shovels we could survive Nuclear War

Diversity+shovels= http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/13/report-rep-sander-levin-aide-arrested-beating-lover-shovel/

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 16, 2015 11:06 AM  

@30

And if it is true, it means you're in a very bad way. Diversity, as your primary advantage? Not productivity, not natural resources, not education, not diligence, hard work, a competent and uncorrupted public service?

No, diversity is our single biggest advantage.

Then you're fucked.

Blogger Sevron October 16, 2015 11:22 AM  

I would be glad if my state seceded, but unless we do so soon, the demographics will mean it doesn't matter.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 16, 2015 11:26 AM  

OP VD

If you don't already have the Three Touchstones or Three Conjectures, I'd highly recommend looking at them.

http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/3_touchstones_3_conjectures.html

Blogger Banjo October 16, 2015 11:33 AM  

Tangential but... regarding targeted bioweapons... Frank Herbert (yes, THAT Frank Herbert) wrote a very good novel called The White Plague where a distraught widower created a bug that targeted women but was carried by men. Very much worth reading.

#0131

Blogger kurt9 October 16, 2015 11:33 AM  

Genetic and biotechnology is not about to be shut-down. There are too many benefits and, besides, it is inherently cheap technology. One can do gene therapy in a garage. Call it DIY medicine. I read about a Seattle-area lady who basically developed an anti-aging gene therapy (telomerase activation and myostatin inhibitor) in her own home with $250K investment from her and two of her friends, then had a lab in Columbia infuse her with the therapy. This is true DIY medicine that I will probably be doing myself in the next 5-10 years if someone else doesn't do it first. There's no way this is going to be shut down.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 16, 2015 11:34 AM  

State-level secession won't work these days. Most of the Blue states aren't....they are a small urban area that has the rest of the state by the throat.

I live in Maryland (with my job, it's there or California...which is worse). 26 counties...20 of which are solidly conservative. Three could go either way. And three that will vote for rabid leftists - and do, every time. Those three counties have ~40% of the population.

If a state like Maryland seceded, it would shatter. Most Blue states would shatter. Secession on state lines won't work. Not with the modern Leftist/Fascist state in play.

Blogger James Dixon October 16, 2015 11:36 AM  

> .. I read about a Seattle-area lady who basically developed an anti-aging gene therapy (telomerase activation and myostatin inhibitor) in her own home with $250K investment from her and two of her friends...

That matches what I've heard for the price levels in the field, Kurt9. And, as I said, getting cheaper every day. I don't see it being possible to shut it down. There's too much incentive for people to do it and it's too easily available.

Blogger bw October 16, 2015 11:37 AM  

a future based on observable trends

ie., "back to Nature".

Nature and Globalism are antithetical. It takes an enormous house of cards - and money and influence and control of the flow of info - to even begin to pretend otherwise or portray it as possible. It was a hell of a 20th Cent

Toronto's Mayor, John Tory, said: "Diversity is our single biggest advantage"

Straight out of the The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan and the globalist mouthpieces like Sutherland, Gen Wesley Clark, etc.
It is globalist Signaling.

Blogger James Dixon October 16, 2015 11:37 AM  

We'll know it's reached the inevitable stage when we see open source 3D printer plans for gene splicing labs. :)

Blogger Chris Mallory October 16, 2015 11:39 AM  

" 9-11 got liberals out of their insane fog for a couple years"

And it put faux conservatives into one for the past 15 years.

Bush was a disaster after 9/11. We should have carpet bombed Riyadh and Tel Aviv not invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

With the Patriot Act, Bush and the Republicans turned around and passed essentially the same bill written by Biden in 1995.

Blogger Cyril October 16, 2015 11:41 AM  

@6. One of the most sobering scientific talks I ever heard was about the extreme ease with which biological weapons could be produced in a garage with a few thousand in equipment, some purchased DNA, REA sequences, by an undergraduate or at most a graduate student level individual. The presenter said there was no real way to prevent it and the most that could be hoped was that no one would actually do it.

Blogger VFM 188 October 16, 2015 11:42 AM  

Those predicting an eventual man-made plague are almost surely correct in their prediction. But if we can avoid exterminating ourselves for just 40 or 50 more years, we might make it. How? Through merging with our technology. Our fragile, ill-designed, primitive, weak, short-lived, limited biological bodies bequeathed by the process of evolution are suboptimal, to say the least. They are dangerously feeble vessels for retaining the most precious thing in the universe...our intelligence and knowledge.

Hey, don't believe me! Instead, read all about it in Ray Kurzweil's essay at the following URL:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/celebrating-the-10-year-anniversary-of-book-the-singularity-is-near

OpenID Jack Amok October 16, 2015 11:44 AM  

I've always liked Wretchard's writings. I'd probably read him more often if he wasn't writing at PJMedia where I need to use a lobotomized browser.

anyway, regarding

I strongly suspect that engineering a virus that is high on both dimensions is a lot harder than it sounds,

The most dangerous form would probably be something like the Plague that infects two different types of hosts but is only deadly to one of them (the fleas lived to infect more people).

And we shouldn't forget about biological attacks aimed at crops. The rider of the Black Horse will want to vie for the body count crown too.

Blogger BunE22 October 16, 2015 11:45 AM  

I don't know if you guys saw this, but it goes with a different narrative: climate change. When a professor can go on tv and talk about genetically mutating babies, or pumping them with hormones, and no one questions the ethics of it or is morally outraged you know society has gone off the rails.

http://youtu.be/S_E3A0oud4M

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 16, 2015 11:52 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg

Blogger kurt9 October 16, 2015 11:55 AM  

What concerns me are genetic weapons. I expect genetic research to be shut down and highly regulated in the relatively near future. In addition to the way advancement in genetic science keeps disrupting the Narrative, it also poses a genuine large-scale threat to Mankind that is very nearly unprecedented in human history.

If governments ban genetic science, then only criminals will have genetic science. Thus, the dangers of genetic science are dramatically increased by such restrictions. Also consider the following. Someone does create a superbug. Which approach will more rapidly lead to a cure and save lives? The centralized bureaucracies of CDC and WHO? Or a decentralized network of biohackers? I have FAR more confidence on the network of biohackers than I do in any centralized bureaucracy. Which would you rather trust your life to?

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 16, 2015 12:00 PM  

@50: "When a professor can go on tv and talk about genetically mutating babies, or pumping them with hormones, and no one questions the ethics of it or is morally outraged you know society has gone off the rails."

Yeah, but it's only wrong when not done in a lab. Do it by containing your population into ethnically similar and nationalistically unified groups, and it's crimethink and Nazism.

OpenID Jack Amok October 16, 2015 12:04 PM  

State-level secession won't work these days. Most of the Blue states aren't....they are a small urban area that has the rest of the state by the throat.


I agree with this and think the breakup in the US will be very messy and not altogether permanent. There won't be a Civil War II where regional blocks of states square off against each other - it'll be cities going to war with their hinterlands

OpenID Steve October 16, 2015 12:09 PM  

Most of the Blue states aren't....they are a small urban area that has the rest of the state by the throat.

Thanks to voter fraud. If an EMP/CMS knocks out the US power grid you might want to have a plan to make any bridges between you and the nearest die verse city impassable. Several blue states could kick out a city near the border to another state and become conservative.

Blogger Red Jack October 16, 2015 12:11 PM  

Reading history, civilizations rise and fall. Sometimes it is invaders, sometimes natural disasters, but it seems to be it is most often the citizens get to a point were the cost of continuing is less than the cost of letting it all fall down. Look at most of the poster here. Most just want to let it burn, rather than reform the monster.
Much like the "Dark Ages". It wasn't that Rome fell, it was that Rome was no longer what the people wanted. By the end, the only people who DID want Roman civilization were the very people who had no real connection with it, the barbarians.

Blogger kurt9 October 16, 2015 12:13 PM  

I am actually not concerned about the genetically engineering killer virus. These are actually quite difficult to produce. There is a fundamental trade-off between transmission and lethality of virii. A highly lethal virus will kill off its host before it is able to infect many people. This will self-limit the spread of any such designed agent. The other problem with making such an agent is that there are only 4-5 classes of virii that infect humans, with influenza being the most infectious. The influenza virus is the Ferrari sports car of virii. it is a finely tuned package that consists of 8 genes that code for 12 proteins. Add a gene to it (say, the glycoprotein gene to create the "ebola" effect in people) and the resultant virus is unlikely to propagate because its replicative machinery no longer works. There is considerable engineering trade-offs in designing such a thing. That's why, despite the media hype over it, a genetically engineered plague is unlikely.

We hear about existential threats such as global warming, nuclear war,. etc. However, the only existential threat I see on the horizon for myself is nothing more than the aging process, and the decentralized bio-engineering technology revolution is the only cure. Any government ban on such technology decreases my chances to overcome this threat. Naturally I'm going to do anything in my power to overcome such BS.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 16, 2015 12:14 PM  

#52

I think we are going to see something similar to what David Brin predicted in Earth. After a few incidents of nuclear and biological terrorism and the death of multi-millions the very concept of privacy will be anathema. If you are trying to hide something from public view then you must be up to no good.

Of course, he also predicted that the technology for invading others privacy would be so ubiquitous and cheap that even governments wouldn't be able to keep secrets from everyday people.

At one time I was skeptical of that, but considering the fact that the US government gave root access to computers with highly sensitive data to contract administrators who were physically located in the People's Republic Of China, I'm thinking we can just rely on their ineptitude.

Blogger Red Jack October 16, 2015 12:16 PM  

The idea of an independent hinterland is not very probable. People want the glittering stuff that cities have (at least right now). 30 years after a "break up" that might change as it becomes more difficult to manage the food, water, and sanitary issues that any large city has to deal with.

It took a few hundred years to depopulate the cities the last time. About how long it took for the infrastructure and economy to stop.

Blogger Jack Ward October 16, 2015 12:18 PM  

#40
Herbert's The White Plague. If that book doesn't scare the living crap out of you then somethings is loose in your brain. The man could write. His The Dosadi Experiment is another. Dosadi could be far left, sjw, pc freaks wet dream.

Blogger IM2L844 October 16, 2015 12:36 PM  

I wonder if there's any property available adjacent to David the Good's. He'll have snacks.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 16, 2015 12:51 PM  

This guy sounds like he's been reading my historical outline for Socialist Wars.

Blogger Mindstorm October 16, 2015 1:08 PM  

@11
If only that were so easy. Never heard of molecular mimicry? Even some cancer cells that stop presenting their own neo-antigens with MHC class I would be extremely difficult to notice by the immune system, modified or not.

Blogger kurt9 October 16, 2015 1:12 PM  

I think we are going to see something similar to what David Brin predicted in Earth. After a few incidents of nuclear and biological terrorism and the death of multi-millions the very concept of privacy will be anathema.

I've read his "Transparent Society". He has some good points in it.

However, whether we are headed for complete transparency or complete privacy, it will be driven exclusively by technology. If some kind of universal "encryption buster" is possible, we will have the transparent society as predicted by Brin. However, it quantum encryption proves to be absolutely unbreakable, it will go the other way, towards absolute privacy.

Blogger Chiva October 16, 2015 1:13 PM  

A more immediate concern for me are major disruptions of the US electrical grid.

Blogger kurt9 October 16, 2015 1:20 PM  

Technology is inherently decentralizing. Computers, internet, 3-D printing, and bio-engineering. We need to accept the notion that centralized control and authority are becoming obsolete and that the future favors massive decentralization and the replacement of hierarchy with networking. Given that liberals seem to favor government regulation and control of everything and conservatives favor limited government and the like, it surprises me that much of the "conservative" blogs, especially the so-called "dark" enlightenment ones, (including this one) seem to advocate some sort of centralized authority and control. Its like these people don't get it.

Worse, its like much of the "conservative" blogs seem to be mirror images of liberal blogs in their advocacy of centralized authority.

Blogger James Sullivan October 16, 2015 1:34 PM  

Vox,

Are you familiar with the man who calls himself Hognose at the WeaponsMan blog?

I think he might be an excellent candidate for the anthology.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 16, 2015 1:38 PM  

Technology is inherently decentralizing. Computers, internet, 3-D printing, and bio-engineering. We need to accept the notion that centralized control and authority are becoming obsolete and that the future favors massive decentralization and the replacement of hierarchy with networking.

You might very well think that but I doubt that the vampire squids agree.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 16, 2015 1:42 PM  

it quantum encryption proves to be absolutely unbreakable, it will go the other way, towards absolute privacy.

I don't think that it matters whether we have the technology to hide something if the very act of hiding or attempting to hide something is seen as prima facie evidence that you are up to something nefarious, possibly lethal, and therefore everyone else is justified to use force against you.

Blogger kudzu bob October 16, 2015 1:45 PM  

I'm not concerned about nukes or radiological weapons. What concerns me are genetic weapons.

Open Borders is a genetic weapon.

Blogger haus frau October 16, 2015 1:47 PM  

Interesting. The conservative countryside/parasitic city conflict sounds like a return to the old city-state organization.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 16, 2015 2:00 PM  

@65, Chiva, while I recognize benefits to connectivity via the grid, I maintain that we can live happy, fruitful, peaceful, and productive lives without electricity and the instant communication to which we've grown accustomed over the past decade +.

If you are dependent upon the Grid for your immediate needs, learn to wean yourself from it immediately. One needn't go full-farmer overnight. Flesh-work within your own community; find out who grows and produces food, or become a producer yourself, and be a net benefit to those you know and love, or at least to those you know and can live with in a symbiotic relationship.

THEN, learn how to produce, even you only grow a tomato plant on your windowsill. It's a step towards individual productivity and a leg-up on anyone who cannot get what you can grow or make. When I lived in a 500 SF apartment, I made use of a tiny patio to grow tomatoes, cucumbers, herbs, lettuce, and cabbage (all in pots, no plot of land needed).

Today, on a half-acre of land, I produce potatoes and greens, dried beans, all sorts of root veggies, melons, cukes, tomatoes, &c. It's less than a half-acre due to footprint of house and recreational space, and we still make it work. Apple trees, raspberry canes, grapevines, blueberries...wherever I have a spare space to plant food, I do it. We have a well and last year we had a hand-pump installed (expensive, but worth it). We've had a few power outages and decided it was worth it to have the manual lever rather than rely on the power company to get us in H2O again.

Get a woodstove or learn to cook over some sort of open flame if you must. It's not difficult if you have the right mindset and motivation: mine being, mostly, my children must eat and be clean, and I need to eat and be clean in order to bring them to a sufficient age to take care of themselves should the worst happen.

Yes, this all speaks of regression to a less-civilized age, but we all came from a less-civilized place and we can all regress, temporarily, as needs be, and then move forward.

For those who cannot bear the thought of living without electricity, investigate hydrolysis and netting H2 gas to power hydrogen fuel tanks. Its a big investment, but if the SHTF, it appears to pay a huge net. It uses solar cells to fuel a hydrolysis Rx to create and harvest hydrogen molecules, and stores them in tanks to power homes, etc. in case of a total grid failure or even temporary power outage. Interesting, if not entirely viable or affordable at the moment.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 16, 2015 2:07 PM  

@49 Jack Amok

Good points. And your comment @60: The Dosadi Experiment is my favourite Herbert story. Jorj X McKie, iirc.

Blogger ncartist October 16, 2015 2:15 PM  

@25. The Other Robot October
Some believed that with enough shovels we could survive Nuclear War. Maybe so.

Thankfully, the progressives convinced us to forgo any public fallout shelters for the population. Now, the money that would have been wasted trying to save us useless eaters can now be spent building fallout shelters and underground cities for the social, economic, and political elites and their inner circle of camp followers.

Blogger ncartist October 16, 2015 2:19 PM  

A very interesting tidbit form that article I linked:
"They have laser-drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day.... Well, they were using tunneling machines back in the mid-90s that could tunnel through a rock face at seven miles per day, that could cut through a rock face with high-energy impact lasers that could blow the nano-sized particles of rock so that there was no debris left, forming an obsidian-like core, and laying an inner core for unidirectional maglev trains that travel at Mach 2 to 2.8 underground between these very very powerful and organized cities."

Blogger Doom October 16, 2015 2:22 PM  

@31

Scuzzaman,

Maybe you've got a point, though perhaps not. What you discuss might seem plain and flat, but I don't see it that way. Assuming I agree with your assessment, which I don't as a general rule. At least in a literal meaning. Communism, socialism, and islam are all, according to some, apostate. Which, sort of, means... anything goes in that direction. If, as I have suggested, I don't necessarily abide.

However, if you consider Satan a player, and that he is the epitome of apostate, that covers all truly non-Christian ground, even that which has leaked into the churches. Still, I believe it won't be a "bad" form of the church against the right form, though the war will be fought within those halls. To some extent, from looking at most churches, it looks like that fight has been fought and lost at the upper levels, and in some churches at all levels. But they aren't getting ready to go to war. It is their secularized bretheren who will do that, and they will eventually destroy all Christians, even the cuckservative and progressives... just in case, in their work to destroy the church, they have become infected by it.

Christians will be gone. It won't simply be churches taken over, as with the Church of England and Episcopal churches. Even those will be destroyed down to nearly every man, woman, and child. Believe as you wish.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 16, 2015 2:37 PM  

I hope the POSTWAR project happens. God knows our generations could have used something like it. Though I still wonder if we as a whole would have listened.

Blogger ray October 16, 2015 3:02 PM  


'•Everyone packing personal weapons like the Wild West'


With bandoliers! Oh baby don't I wish. It wouldn't solve anything of course. But it would shut some mouths for awhile. Establish a modicum of politesse.

Everybody here on Planet Pundit has their 'prediction' for the future. Some are so narcissistic and depraved as to establish time-lines for future events. . . because, you know, what with God dead and all, and his servants incommunicado, the planet REALLY needs seven billion Opinioneers to set the course.

Tell me what I wanna hear and you go on the Blogroll!

If you want to predict the future, you'll have to humble yourself before God. And then you might get a little information, if he thinks you can handle it.

But predicting the future based on My Wonderful Selfness? Because I am Me? 'Bout as useful as tits on a president.

Blogger Athor Pel October 16, 2015 3:11 PM  

"48. Blogger VFM 188 October 16, 2015 11:42 AM
Those predicting an eventual man-made plague are almost surely correct in their prediction. But if we can avoid exterminating ourselves for just 40 or 50 more years, we might make it. How? Through merging with our technology.
...
Kurzweil
..."



Not just no but Fuck No.

Transhumanism is open to using any avenue to supplant humanity, indcluding nanotechnology. If you want to read about earth ending nightmare scenarios just start doing some reading on nanotech.

If you want to see the road that leads not just to human extinction, not just to the complete sterilization of the planet, but to the complete destruction of this planet and every planet in this solar system then read about the promise of nanotechnology.

I don't normally have luddite tendancies but when it comes to nanotechnology I would gladly shut that pandora's box and shoot any bastard that tried to open it.

OpenID Steve October 16, 2015 3:18 PM  

The Punisher beat up GW. Bush. Now Captain African American fights a masked Trump.-bgs

"Captain America beats up members of a white supremacist militia called the Sons of the Serpent as they attempt to apprehend a group of illegal aliens crossing the desert from Mexico into Arizona.

The leader of the group, the Serpent Commander, makes statements that are similar to what Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump"

My next site to be banned from: http://douglasernstblog.com/2015/10/16/nick-spencers-captain-america-no-time-for-ranger-run-task-forces-conservatives-are-the-enemy

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 16, 2015 3:23 PM  

It's a fine line between the Borg Collective and life-saving nano-surgery, I'll agree. These moral conundra can barely be debated let alone solved by our little minds. It's like the ST:TNG episode "Up The Long Ladder", wherein two groups of colonists left their point of origin and settled on different planets, one determined to maintain an agrarian life, and the other determined to use technology to maintain their vision of perfectibility. The technos went sterile and attempted to steal genetic material to revive their clones; the agrarians were encouraged (via the temptation of Eve to have multiple 'husbands) to abandon monogamy in order to help the technos thrive. At some point, we'll be expected, or outright forced, to give over our organic forms to the sterile nano-techs.

Shoot anyone who'd dare touch Pandora's Box...indeed.

Blogger Athor Pel October 16, 2015 4:02 PM  

Some folks talked about genetically targeted pathogens upthread. There's a problem with it that isn't what you might think.

Genetically sampling any particular cell in any random person may or may not match any other cell in that person's body. Not even kidding. There are some people that are obviously male or obviously female but have some cells in their body that test as the opposite sex and that's just one example.

There's all kinds of chimerism going on with everybody. Try to pick an unchanging gene sequence in the body cells of a population, good luck, you're going to need it.

Please keep in mind that there are disease vectors other than pathogens. Nutritional imbalance or defiency is one most people are familiar with but is still not obvious in these kinds of conversations. Another is environmental, meaning radioactives or toxins. Going along with radioactive substances is the research into electromagnetically induced disease states. What do you think happens if you selectively microwave a part of a person's brain?

Blogger VFM 188 October 16, 2015 4:07 PM  

@#79 and #81, both advocating suppression of nanotech: Oh come on, you goofy guys. Your arguments have been heard seriatim, echoing down through the ages as each new technology is discovered and perfected. There were doubtless those fighting against the adoption of fire: Urrgh! Fire bad! Burns skin! Too dangerous!

I note also that neither of you addressed my accurate statement that "Our fragile, ill-designed, primitive, weak, short-lived, limited biological bodies bequeathed by the process of evolution are suboptimal, to say the least." They also wear out all too quickly.

Besides, those who don't want to partake of the new technologies to enhance, expand, and extend our existence will be free to reject them, just like in the past. After all it's true that internal combustion engines are noisy, smelly, dangerous, and unreliable. They scare the horses too.

Blogger SirHamster October 16, 2015 4:14 PM  

@67

Thanks for the mention, was some really interesting reading.

Blogger BunE22 October 16, 2015 4:23 PM  

@72

Midnight Avenue J - Is there anywhere I can contact you to ask you questions and get advice? Not email, a prepper or homestead site you post at where we can converse? I don't want to disrupt the comments here.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 16, 2015 4:31 PM  

Sorry, BunE22, I don't blog or visit any prepper sites to make regular commentary. Viidad/David the Good has a YouTube channel and blog, can't remember the name, if any Dreak Ilk have info, comment please?

Most of this stuff I learn by feel, some reading books/blogs, and by going off-grid from time to time, on purpose.

As for hydrolysis/H2 fuel cell info, this guy lives near me and gives demos of his Hydrogen House periodically. It's interesting, expensive start up, and pure hippie-dippy enviros hate the whole solar panel/wind-bird eyesore...but, it's thought-provoking. All good ideas start somewhere.

href="http://hydrogenhouseproject.org/mike-strizkis-bio.html"

Blogger hadley October 16, 2015 6:28 PM  

My goodness! The PJ Media neocon cheerleader squad has started to notice that their Project for a New American Century hasn't been paying off as they hoped back in 2001.

Imagine that!

But its all Obama's fault, surely. As soon as they get a ballbuster like Hillary or Jeb in office they can go back to bombing the cr@p out of the Middle East and everything will work out well, I am sure.

Always remember, kids, that "Democracies never attack Democracies" and "They Yearn for Democracy Just Like Us" and all will be well.

Blogger buwaya October 16, 2015 6:32 PM  

For what its worth, given certain opinions often expressed here with respect to immigration and ethnic solidarity, I would like to point out that the estimable Richard Fernandez (ex-Wretchard/Belmont Club) is a Filipino immigrant to Australia. I don't think he is anything but an asset to his new country, and to all of us in the "West'. I put it to the gentlemen regulars of this site that an adjustment of attitudes towards immigration, in a more nuanced direction, may be beneficial. There is immigration and there is immigration, there are compatible peoples who are generally assets and who fit neatly into existing cultural values and readily assimilate, or more so, bring a valuable addition, and those that don't.

Blogger Sheila4g October 16, 2015 6:41 PM  

@buwaya: Being a Filipino, I want to draw your attention to another Filipino to yet again push for Filipino immigration to America as a net positive and a personal goal. I consider Filipinos a valuable addition and since I managed to get here I now count as part of the "West." I suggest American commenters here need to adjust their attitudes to recognize the supremacy of Filipinos as perfect substitutions for European Americans.

Blogger Jim Milo October 16, 2015 6:49 PM  

Toronto, where the former head of the much loathed Rogers Cable company replaced the crack smoking label and hashish mogul.

Diversity -- replacing new money white trash mayor with old money WASP mayor -- is their strength. The old gimmicky Jewish furniture salesman mayor was better. Hell, I voted for him a half dozen times both in Toronto and the annexed North York.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 16, 2015 6:50 PM  

I put it to the gentlemen regulars of this site that an adjustment of attitudes towards immigration, in a more nuanced direction, may be beneficial.

We don't care.

Longer answer: How's about we kick out everyone who can't grasp the concept of "the exception that proves the rule"?

Blogger buwaya October 16, 2015 6:50 PM  

Sheila4g - Nicely put ! Concise, complete and accurate.

Blogger Jim Milo October 16, 2015 6:53 PM  

About the only thing good about Toronto is that you can getake all kinds of interesting things from all over the world without having to shop online.

Kinda like the Mos Eisley Cantina.

Blogger buwaya October 16, 2015 6:56 PM  

"Longer answer: How's about we kick out everyone who can't grasp the concept of "the exception that proves the rule"?"

But is he the exception ? I believe that he isn't - well OK, few Filipinos are Harvard graduates, but there are other qualities which should count in a fair court, and in a dialectical sort of argument (which is the preferred mode here I understand, in the rare case it is an option). I think I can prove it, with statistics.

Blogger Jim Milo October 16, 2015 7:06 PM  

@11 The other way is to induce apoptosis, or a self-destruct mechanism.

Your method is likely sitting on shelf somewhere, while mine is kept illegal by big pharma's useful idiots in Congress.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 16, 2015 7:24 PM  

But is he the exception ? I believe that he isn't

Still don't care. Immigrants don't have to be bad people for immigration to be harmful to a nation and to the posterity of the people who already live there.

If the immigrants from a foreign country will contribute less than natives, then immigration is obviously foolish. But if they would contribute more than natives, it's just as foolish, because they will tend to take over, taking jobs and political control away from the natives over time.

Either way, letting more than a small trickle of people into a country that's already blessed with dangerous levels of diversity and crowded enough to fret about things like "urban sprawl," is stupid.

If Filipinos are great at civilization, then they should go right on making the Philippines a great nation. Why should we try to concentrate all the greatness in America? Doesn't it make more sense to let other nations keep their best people, so we have other great countries to trade and treat with?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 16, 2015 7:49 PM  

Let's say I'm an American man with a 92 IQ. Thanks to a family connection, I got a union construction job after high school, so I'm doing okay. I work reasonably hard when I'm working, but I don't work myself to death -- we union guys like our coffee breaks and overtime. Working 40-some hours a week, plus the occasional side-job for cash, I'm able to afford a nice, if small, house away from the worst parts of town in a decent school district for my kids. I help out at my church, get along well enough with my neighbors, watch football on the weekends, and am as American as apple pie.

Now, why exactly would I want my country to import a bunch of smart, go-getter types from faraway lands?

Blogger buwaya October 16, 2015 8:09 PM  

"If the immigrants from a foreign country will contribute less than natives, then immigration is obviously foolish. But if they would contribute more than natives, it's just as foolish, because they will tend to take over, taking jobs and political control away from the natives over time." -and etc.

What we have here is the excluded middle - several sorts of excluded middles.

Immigrants also can integrate and mix with the natives, becoming natives themselves in a generation or two. In this sense it is not simply a matter of displacing natives. Second, contributing MORE means not just more IQ or economic value, it may well mean other values, that may be complementary and not merely competitive.

Dangerous levels of diversity may be a problem if it is indeed diversity of a dangerous sort - that of divergent and incompatible interests - but how "diverse' are ones children and in-laws going to be ? That's exactly what Filipinos, among others who are able and eager to integrate, are and will be. The interests will be identical, your tribe is our tribe, because the ties of blood are unbreakable, and the Filipino is happy to make ties of blood. That, by the way, is a Filipino cultural value you could use. It is excellent armor against the self-destructive tendencies of the European intellectual tradition. Add a bunch of Filipinos in the mix and they can confidently tell that lot to buzz off.

Whats in it for Filipinos ? (just as an example, other nations have different qualities)
There are serious deficiencies in the Filipino cultural matrix. There is a perennial leadership deficit, there is low initiative, people being taught to be followers more than leaders, society is also almost purely Gemeinschaft, to use old sociology. Americans actually complement Filipinos wonderfully, they fill their deficiencies, Its no mystery that Filipinos rather dote on Americans. Conversely, in these modern times, Americans are seriously short of the community and family values Filipinos bring to the table, among them the likelihood of reversing the collapse of fertility. What we have here is synergy.

In a larger sense, what we have in the immigration problem is a very complex set of interactions that is not suited to a simple solution.

Blogger buwaya October 16, 2015 8:18 PM  

"Now, why exactly would I want my country to import a bunch of smart, go-getter types from faraway lands?"

In theory, more productive populations (population mean) mean a higher standard of living, greater consumption and a greater market for labor - even for your man with a 92 IQ. He gets more roofing jobs, because of more and larger roofs.

He is in serious trouble if you are importing plenty of low-productivity people. The increase in business is marginal (lesser increase in roofs) and he has plenty of competitors within his limited skill set.

Blogger Groot October 16, 2015 8:24 PM  

Artificial Intelligence will soon swamp human intelligence. Machine intelligence will think of "human intelligence" the way we think of horsepower or squirrel intelligence, so quaint as to be funny. When you can order up IQ as a scalable service from Amazon Web Services, 92 IQ will be a rounding error. Luddite all over that, boys.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 16, 2015 8:27 PM  

@80 Steve
The Punisher beat up GW. Bush. Now Captain African American fights a masked Trump.-bgs

"Captain America beats up members of a white supremacist militia called the Sons of the Serpent as they attempt to apprehend a group of illegal aliens crossing the desert from Mexico into Arizona.

The leader of the group, the Serpent Commander, makes statements that are similar to what Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump"

My next site to be banned from: http://douglasernstblog.com/2015/10/16/nick-spencers-captain-america-no-time-for-ranger-run-task-forces-conservatives-are-the-enemy
---

Comics are in worse shape than SF.

OpenID joeholocaust October 16, 2015 9:53 PM  

@101 And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that comic publishing is dominated by Jews and Jews have always been especially fond of the Superhero genre that they helped create with the likes of Stan Lee and others. My loathing of Jedi, Elves, Vulcans, Vampires and Superheroes was already entrenched before this latest revelation. Grinder

OpenID joeholocaust October 16, 2015 10:06 PM  

@96
If Filipinos are great at civilization, then they should go right on making the Philippines a great nation. Why should we try to concentrate all the greatness in America? Doesn't it make more sense to let other nations keep their best people, so we have other great countries to trade and treat with?


This is what our critics refuse to recognize. There is no hate in wanting white homelands for whites. America and other countries that re-establish themselves as the white nations they once were can resume lifting the whole planet out of darkness by setting an example of functional and prosperous states that others may observe and imitate if they wish to better themselves. Obviously it cannot be done by military adventurism and democracy-building abroad or by importing barbarians by the millions. The former depletes our strength and the latter destroys us from the inside and our civilization already has a widespread crisis of spiritual emptiness or decay.

OpenID Jack Amok October 17, 2015 1:15 AM  

The idea of an independent hinterland is not very probable. People want the glittering stuff that cities have (at least right now).

What glittering stuff is that? All our electronics come on a boat. So do clothes and cars. American cities don't make anything any more, other than trouble. What light industry still exists can just as easily be in the suburbs or exurbs as in Capitol City. The last time I went into Seattle was to renew my Passport.

The people who want glittering city things are already in the cities. The people who can't stand the smell and the litter and the vibrants are somewhere else.

Blogger Mindstorm October 17, 2015 4:04 AM  

@79
It's about nanoscale von Neumann machines, right? Their exponential growth and so on? "Gray goo" doomsday scenario?

Blogger David The Good October 17, 2015 5:20 PM  

@Midnight Avenue J

My gardening/homesteading/prepper site is at www.thesurvivalgardener.com

Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC208478ECji1rdkDDbB0vHQ?view_as=public

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 18, 2015 10:10 AM  

Thanks, Viidad. I hope BunE22 sees this.

BunE22, you can reach me at my handle @gmail.com for any questions, I'm happy to answer, just have little time for blogging right now. Trying to carve it out of my day, just hasn't happened yet. I get lazy after the homestead work, regular pay job, parenting, and all, is done.

To VFM 188, our state of being fragile, as is that of every other being on Earth - fragile, impermanent, and ever in a state of flux. We are fallen; Eden is closed to us. The taste of the Tree of Knowledge gave us the eternal temptation to cheat death, to use our minds to cheat God and our own fates.

I don't know how Luddite or back-to-nature we could, should, ought to go in order to strike the balance between man and machine. I know many people whose lives have been extended via technology, and so further enriched by the connections they made to others in the extended years offered to them by medicine...but I wonder where I would draw the line. At an artificial limb? No, we have enough non-cybernetic examples of limb replacement that suggest this is a net benefit. But it's an evolution on the peg-leg.

I do not possess the IQ needed to plumb the depths of these quandaries. I only know that I have a perceived personal limit to what I would want out of life-saving technologies, and from life-extending technologies. Man is fragile, and limited, and is supposed to be so. This grasping at technologies that would eliminate our fragile state, and eliminate anything that would stand between us and immortality, speaks of the second Tree from which we ought not eat: that of immortality, because God knew that knowing what He knows would not be enough, but Being as He is (immortal) would be our greatest temptation and aspiration. We were cast from Eden before we could attain such fruit, but it appears our bane is to pursue it regardless.

Blogger MrNiceguy October 19, 2015 8:09 AM  

I remember an issue of The Punisher where he served as bodyguard to a pseudo-Rush Limbaugh, and another where he killed off a group of environmentalist wackos who were going to detail a train carrying toxic waste. Comics used to be cool.

I just hope the people writing for the Marvel movies don't go full SJW. To paraphrase the cool version of Cap, "There's only one Captain America, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't help human traffickers cross the US border."

Blogger Banjo October 21, 2015 10:28 AM  

@60 and @73
Thanks, I was not aware of that book. Alas, it is now published by Tor so I won't be buying it... Have to check the library.

Banjo

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