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Friday, October 23, 2015

Immigrants don't share American values

The Magic Dirt Theory is clearly not working as advertised. Immigrants are heavily anti-gun rights:
The millions of foreigners the U.S. government voluntarily imports each year can be counted on to vote en-masse in favor of unconstitutional restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms, Winkler explains:

Polls show that whites tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a significant margin (57 percent to 40 percent). Yet whites, who comprise 63 percent of the population today, won’t be in the majority for long. Racial minorities are soon to be a majority, and they are the nation’s strongest supporters of strict gun laws.

The fastest-growing minority group in America is Latinos. Between 2000 and 2010, the nation’s Latino population grew by 43 percent. Hispanics, which make up 17 percent of the population today, are expected to grow to 30 percent of the population in the coming decades.

Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights.

Asian Americans also represent a growing anti-gun demographic. Although only about 5 percent of the population today, the Asian American population is predicted to triple over the next few decades. A recent poll of Asian American registered voters found that 80 percent supported stricter gun laws.
I find it remarkable, although not exactly surprising, that so many people are so determined to defend their idiotic theory that all immigrants will magically become Real Americans, real life nephews of their Uncle Sam, reborn on the Fourth of July by virtue of geographical relocation, thereby instantly negating of all of their racial, ethnic, religious, political, and cultural traditions.

How very shocking to discover that immigrants place no value on "rights" that don't exist, and have never existed, in their alien cultures. As I have repeatedly pointed out, immigrants have no understanding of limited government nor do they harbor any love for it. None. Let's face it, even after generations in the USA, many descendants of the previous waves of European immigration still don't grasp the basic concept.

It's bad enough that the Magic Dirt theory is absurdly stupid; logical criticism should be sufficient to convince those who subscribe to it to abandon it entirely. But when they first reject the logic and then continue to cling to their theory in the face of actual evidence of the sort cited above, well, at that point we might as well just call them fat, ugly, and out-of-date. That sort of rhetoric will be more likely to persuade them that they are wrong, because it is obvious that neither facts nor reason are enough to do the trick.

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178 Comments:

Blogger VFM 188 October 23, 2015 8:30 AM  

Well...if they ARE fat, ugly, and out-of-date....

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 23, 2015 8:50 AM  

moar and faster

When they move on all the guns it will become open war. It is the one thing they can do to kick it off without doubt.

Blogger ZhukovG October 23, 2015 8:57 AM  

For the advocates of open borders, this is a feature, not a bug. But you know that.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 23, 2015 9:00 AM  

Someone should remind the cucks that they are the last anti-racists on Earth literally the biggest group of idiots on this rock. That be some good troll bait right there, and dare them to double down on anti-racism

Blogger Mad Dok Rob October 23, 2015 9:01 AM  

Hell, I have the misfortune of living in Massachusetts. The people around were I live are 99% white and American born and it seems like everyone that is a born masshole native are scared of guns and think no one besides police and bodyguards should have them.

Of course, most of them think the police are crazy minority killers. It is always fun to point out this logical fallacy and then watch the look on their face while their brain attempts to switch gears without using a clutch.

Blogger Héctor October 23, 2015 9:10 AM  

Vox, I don't think it is a question of nationality but of common sense. I am not American and I wish we had the same freedom to bear weapons as our ancestors under the "oppressive" kings had. In my case (South American mestizo, yeah I am hated round here by many but I am not planning to go to the States and your writings make too much sense to ignore) wish we had governments that recognize the right of everyone for self defense. In the 1500s and all the way to the late 1700s, the defense of the colonies relied not in the army alone, but on volunteers, militias who were able to provide a fast response. I repeat these were not militaries, but common people armed and loyal to the king ("Las milicias del rey de España: Sociedad, política e identidad en las Monarquías Ibéricas", Ruiz Ibáñez).

Echoes of this phenomenon can be seen in the Napoleonic Wars when the Spaniards kicked the French asses. And I am not talking about the Spanish Army, but of the people, the "commoners". My point is not justify massive immigration, but to state that in this issue (except in the case of Asians who for all intents and purposes might be from another planet) are not due to genetics or traditions but come from brainwashing and convenience (do you really think semi-literate Mexicans who are used to getting guns in the black market, understand the implications of gun rights, if they have none either in Mexico, a land where only criminals and governement are allowed weapons like in most of Latin America). In the case of Mexicans, they will vote for whoever will keep the goodies coming. And they are intelligent enough to know who will do it...

Hell, Germans used to own plenty of guns even in the times of Hitler. It wasn't until the American Occupation governments that they were massively disarmed and acquisition of firearms made difficult.

OpenID paworldandtimes October 23, 2015 9:16 AM  

"The people around were I live are 99% white and American born and it seems like everyone that is a born masshole"

Seriously, what is it with the racial homogenity being inversely proportional to racial sanity in the US?

-PA

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 9:16 AM  

Well, blacks are finally starting to turn around on the 2nd Amendment; at least, black pastors are. That won't be enough, but it does prove that if reality mugs you enough, you'll eventually figure out that who the muggers are.

Admittedly I don't like the reason that blacks are turning around on it, and I'm not yet convinced that BLM isn't trying to start an actual race war.

Still, if Rick Scott signs the new OC bill, immigrants in Florida are going to have to start getting used to people with guns, and immigrants in Texas will have to start getting used to it come January. A good chunk of gun owners are going to start open-carrying just to participate in the culture war. I certainly will.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 9:19 AM  

I even asked a veteran friend of mine who makes the Army-issue holsters, and I told him I was going to order two - one for each of my pistols - the day I hear the bill is heading to Rick Scott's desk. In the meantime, I'm currently writing an email that I plan to send to my state senator and reps in support of the 3 bills that just made it through committee this week.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 9:23 AM  

Doubt my senator is going to care; he's a Dem, and all of the 'no' votes cast against the bills were by the Dems. Still, I live in a semi-rural area of Florida, so it's possible that he's one of the last remaining sane Democrats on guns.

Blogger VD October 23, 2015 9:24 AM  

Seriously, what is it with the racial homogenity being inversely proportional to racial sanity in the US?

It's totally logical. Lack of experience.

Blogger Tallen October 23, 2015 9:24 AM  

@5 I lived in MA for 4 years. My observations differ slightly from yours. There were plenty of minorities but the towns seemed very segregated. I only ever saw cops pull over non-whites (even the non-white cops only pulled over non-whites) in my lily-white town.

However, gun owners were plentiful and I had 3 ranges within 1/2 mile of my apartment. The urban areas are different but in the suburbs and rural areas there were plenty of gun enthusiasts. Are you a NES member?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 23, 2015 9:26 AM  

Heck, in terms of beliefs and loyalties, I'm not a real-life nephew of Uncle Sam as many in the mainstream would define it, and my family's been here long enough that I don't know when most of my ancestors came over. And they came from similar cultures and environments. To think that people from very different cultures and environments will adopt the American status quo within a generation or two is absurd.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 23, 2015 9:26 AM  

@4

ShitLordian Knighthood for thee.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 9:30 AM  

The amazing thing is... even people who know the immigrants will never change.. insist that the magic dirt will change their kids. ***poof*** just like that

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 9:32 AM  

@12

There was a traffic study done in NJ in the 90s that I read about that you might find interesting. The study was done in response to charges that the NJHP were pulling over way more black drivers than white drivers, and thus that they were all racist.

The study, however, found that more blacks were speeding, and speeding by greater margins (over the posted speed limits), than whites were. But what was really interesting is that the margins didn't line up; if anything, the numbers suggested that the NJHP were pulling over *fewer* black speeders than white speeders.

Of course the whole thing was dumb to begin with; it's not like cops can see the driver that they are pulling over ahead of time. But it was nice to hear that the numbers were in the right direction.

The study, of course, was quickly suppressed, but apparently some copies did leak out.

Blogger Taco Tuesday October 23, 2015 9:39 AM  

And yet, these Immigrants happen to share the values of 40% of white Americans.... Magic Dirt indeed.

Blogger ZhukovG October 23, 2015 9:42 AM  

@15. Nate

Exactly; how long have they been trying to reeducate us Southerners?

If a vigorous, active effort at cultural integration hasn't worked in 150 years, how is integration by osmosis going to work better?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 9:45 AM  

@18

Osmosis IS more likely to work than ivory-tower scolding, and that's mostly what they've been trying on the South.

Blogger bub October 23, 2015 9:53 AM  

Our constitution *recognizes* reality, i.e., the God-given rights, including self-defense. Whether 40%, 75%, or 100% of citizens agree with reality or no, doesn't change reality. If the citizenry gets delusional enough to unrecognize reality, goodie for them. When push comes to shove, a man will use whatever is available, legal or no, to defend himself and his.

OpenID Steve October 23, 2015 10:05 AM  

People in the UK liked their guns until Soros took them away right before he destroyed the pound as world reserve currency.

white and American born and it seems like everyone that is a born masshole native are scared of guns and think no one besides police

When I came out my one couple said "now we can tell people we have a gay friend that eats steak, & isn't afraid of weapons"

Seriously, what is it with the racial homogenity being inversely proportional to racial sanity in the US?

You have to meet enough non Asian minorities before the "Not All ____ Are Like That" wears off. When you have worked in inner city hospitals for years and still say no to "Have you ever meet a black in real life as smart as seen on TV?" but can name several black doctors that committed malpractice including one that malpracticed himself to death. Reality has to intrude on the brainwashing.

That won't be enough, but it does prove that if reality mugs you enough, you'll eventually figure out that who the muggers are

If most gays heard someone say "Four niggers killed a Faggot in Philly last weekend", they would be more bothered by the words used than the murder.

I only ever saw cops pull over non-whites (even the non-white cops only pulled over non-whites) in my lily-white town

I had dated some Hispanics. Just like the joke about Germans stopping for a crosswalk sign on a closed road, they think the same of whites waiting for a stoplight to go green when no one is there. When they say they will have to drive carefully to avoid being profiled they mean not break laws.

And yet, these Immigrants happen to share the values of 40% of white Americans.... Magic Dirt indeed.

Only that high because the same school brainwashing that would keep someone from looking around for packs of blacks before they used an ATM. The left doesn't breed so it goes after the rights kids.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 23, 2015 10:18 AM  

Magic dirt? Hmm... maybe I'll move to Columbia. I've always wanted to kidnap tourists and go on narco murder sprees...

How about we close the border and deport our liberals, who are clearly morally and intellectually superior to us, to aid these immigrants in learning how to act American at home first before emigrating. That's really the compassionate thing to do. Can you imagine suddenly arriving in a different country with a completely alien culture and language and having to get by? I'm sure that's a culturally enriching experience that all liberals are secretly yearning for, and you know how they love diversity.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) October 23, 2015 10:22 AM  

Ya know, it kinda sortof worked way back when it was fairly limited, and more to the point, the elders who came over with their children made a point of assimilating.

Yeah, they themselves may have been in ghettos with other similar immigrants, but the adults made a point of learning the language and learning to fit in with the dominant culture, and made sure their kids were, by and large, raised as americans.

My parents and grandparents attitude on this is why I don't consider myself Lithuanian beyond speaking the language (and damned rusty at that) and some cute traditions. And I knew plenty from that generation with the same attitudes.

Now?

No cultures are better, we don't expect school kids to pick up english if their parents speak spanish, etc. - and the schools undermine western civ at every turn, so why WOULD they want to assimilate into it?

Hell - we've got people pretending to be other races.....

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 10:24 AM  

Seriously, what is it with the racial homogenity being inversely proportional to racial sanity in the US?

-PA


1) It's not just in the US
2) Go read Putnam

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 10:25 AM  

A good chunk of gun owners are going to start open-carrying just to participate in the culture war. I certainly will.

Just don't open carry like the Chipotle TACTICAL NECKBEARD duo and you'll be fine.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 10:27 AM  

"
The study, however, found that more blacks were speeding, and speeding by greater margins (over the posted speed limits), than whites were. "

I've been shouting this forever. The main issue with the whole "driving while black" thing is that Blacks universally believe that whites ignore the traffic laws and registration regulations just like that do.

That's false. Whites tend to obey the laws except for interstate speeding. Whites in general drive at whatever speed traffic is flowing at on the interstate regardless of the speed limit. Blacks.. especially black males... speed a great deal more.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 10:28 AM  

@6 Héctor

There is close relationship between nation and genetics.

I am from Puerto Rico, a Hispanic (whatever that is), and I know I am an outlier. You also have to recognize that you may also be an outlier.

I left the island and came to Texas. There is a reason I did not go to New York, New Jersey ... fill in other liberal hellholes. Heck, if it comes down to it, I am o the side of the Republic of Texas and the South Was Right.

Recognize the truth in the general, broad paintbrush, group characteristics but also recognize that there will be individuals that do not conform to the stereotype.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 10:29 AM  

@25

Those guys were being dumb; that's definitely not the right way to open-carry a rifle if your goal is to get people used to the idea and not scare them. It was one of those situations where what you *can* do isn't what you should do.

I was also planning to have the slide chromed, since I personally think that silver guns look less scary than black guns do to people who aren't familiar with guns.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 10:31 AM  

Blacks.. especially black males... speed a great deal more.

What's wrong with living your life a quarter mile at a time?

Blogger Hammerli280 October 23, 2015 10:31 AM  

@22: I like the way you think, but shipping liberals to foreign countries would encourage illegals to come here. We need to make their homelands better, not worse.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 10:31 AM  

Heck, if it comes down to it, I am o the side of the Republic of Texas and the South Was Right.

Okay, we will let you stay if you promise to make us burritos and chimichangas.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 10:32 AM  

@30

Sort of a weird version of the white man's burden, you mean?

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir October 23, 2015 10:36 AM  

Of course they don't, and who was well aware that they wouldn't?
Frankfurt School's "How to Divide and Conquer": immigration, miscegenation, political correctness, white Christian guilt, Freudian BS, porn, 60's revolt against values of Christendom.

After centuries of mayhem against Christian nations they've learned a few tricks.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 23, 2015 10:39 AM  

@30 "I like the way you think, but shipping liberals to foreign countries would encourage illegals to come here. We need to make their homelands better, not worse."

Since the liberals can't act like Americans to begin with they wouldn't qualify for re-entry themselves. The natives have demonstrated that they can't be expected to become Americans in their lifetimes so they wouldn't qualify either. And we'd be simultaneously elevating both countries. Plus, would they really want to emigrate to a country full of smarmy liberals after being exposed to them? In all likelihood they'd just deport the liberals further south. Let the mosquitos take care of them.

OpenID countenance October 23, 2015 10:48 AM  

It's also a fly in the ointment for people who think that rights are a universal construct.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 10:49 AM  

"A good chunk of gun owners are going to start open-carrying just to participate in the culture war. I certainly will."

Open Carry is the ASPY end of the pro-gun side.

Blogger VFM 188 October 23, 2015 10:49 AM  

Heck, if it comes down to it, I am o the side of the Republic of Texas and the South Was Right.

Okay, we will let you stay if you promise to make us burritos and chimichangas.


Bingo! A solution for Nate! (Jamie's from Puerto Rico, ergo he's Hispanic, ergo he must be able to make wicked chimichangas. A win-win situation for all.)

Blogger 罗臻 October 23, 2015 10:49 AM  

America doesn't have magic dirt because it is a proposition nation. People who don't believe in the proposition cannot make a claim on the dirt.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 10:52 AM  

"Heck, if it comes down to it, I am o the side of the Republic of Texas and the South Was Right."

do you own a resturant named something like "Las Palmas" that serves 55 different combos of burritos and tacos and enchiladas?

Are the chimichangas made with shredded beef or ground beef?

do you sell margaritas made with Sauza Conmemorativo with an extra shot on top?

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 23, 2015 10:53 AM  

I think we should just make a reservation for liberals. In no time their lack of babies will lead to a die off and they are too weak to handle a simple fence to keep them in. Just ask a Native American how well the reservation system has been in maintaining population numbers and cultural inculcation.

Blogger Alexander October 23, 2015 10:53 AM  

Just like the joke about Germans stopping for a crosswalk sign on a closed road

Not a joke. Been there, done that. Crossed. turned around to a crowd of German scowling at me from the other side of the road.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 23, 2015 10:54 AM  

Nate is against immigration, except in cases were said immigrant can make tasty South American fare.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 10:54 AM  

"Bingo! A solution for Nate! (Jamie's from Puerto Rico, ergo he's Hispanic, ergo he must be able to make wicked chimichangas. A win-win situation for all.)"

My hope is the guys that own those restaurants will choose to stay... and since they own businesses and actually add something constructive... people will not kill them.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 10:57 AM  

@36

ASPY? Not familiar.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 23, 2015 10:58 AM  

^ Alexander - I can second that. It was funny seeing the crosswalk behavior change drastically from Cologne to Naples...were down there, you just walk and the drivers adjust. Totally insane to a German.

I understand why in the past many recognized the difference between Northern Europeans and Southern ones. They really are different in many ways.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 10:59 AM  

"Nate is against immigration, except in cases were said immigrant can make tasty South American fare."

no... I'm against immigration. I'm pro deportation. Provided I can keep my access to yummy chimichangas and queso.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 23, 2015 11:00 AM  

@36 Open Carry is the ASPY end of the pro-gun side.

I dunno, ain't nothin' wrong with wheel gun slung on the hip Man With No Name or Marion Mitchell Morrison style.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:00 AM  

"ASPY? Not familiar."

does it help if I spell it Aspie?

Blogger Alexander October 23, 2015 11:01 AM  

Maybe we should do some gastronomical espionage. Much like how China has people who work for NASA to then send home all the cool knowledge, we should be sending out operatives to Latin America so that when Ethno-autarky hits we will be able to produce tacos and margaritas.

Of if the Mexican elite suddenly find themselves trapped with their own peasants with no spigot into Angloland, we can have a flip of the immigration where we allow the peninsulares to move in provided they open restaurants.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 11:02 AM  

@48

Nope. I still got nothing. Urban dictionary says its slang for people with Asbergers. In which case I'm even more confused, because now I'm curious why you are criticizing it.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 23, 2015 11:02 AM  

Just admit it, you want an exception for chefs who can make good food. I'm not against such an exception. It can be up there along with people of a certain higher education threshold and a lack of criminality.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:03 AM  

"I dunno, ain't nothin' wrong with wheel gun slung on the hip Man With No Name or Marion Mitchell Morrison style."

put on a pair of slacks and a nice shirt... then its fine. The problem is when you do that everyone assumes you're a cop and it totally loses its effectiveness.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:04 AM  

"Puerto Rico, ergo he's Hispanic, ergo he must be able to make wicked chimichangas"

Saddens me to have to inform y'all that chimichangas are not Puertorrican cousine.

Puertorrican food is more international, heavy Spanish influence (duh!), some Dutch, some French, and African.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 11:05 AM  

Saddens me to have to inform y'all that chimichangas are not Puertorrican cousine.

All y'all wetbacks look alike.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:05 AM  

I forgot to mention that Puertorrican food is not spicy, as in Habaneros and Tabasco,etc. There is a lot of spices but hardly any hot peppers.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 11:06 AM  

Nope. I still got nothing. Urban dictionary says its slang for people with Asbergers. In which case I'm even more confused, because now I'm curious why you are criticizing it.

The train is fine!

Blogger Alexander October 23, 2015 11:06 AM  

@45

I once went to Sicily to visit a girl... and for all her charms and graces, the ability to drive was utterly nonexistent. But beyond anything I'd ever seen before. Not only did she not indicate when changing lanes (which she and the other drivers would do for no apparent reason), when I asked about it she admitted she didn't know where the indicator switch was. She also didn't know what type of gas her car used, as the stations were full-service.

I have family outside of Foggia, so I figured I had nothing to fear in Sicily. My mistake.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 11:07 AM  

I forgot to mention that Puertorrican food is not spicy, as in Habaneros and Tabasco,etc. There is a lot of spices but hardly any hot peppers.

We don't care about puerto rican food. You're going to be making burritos and chimichangas and margaritas.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:07 AM  

@54 Josh
I seriously doubt that, unless I open my mouth to speak, you would know that me or my children are "hispanic." My wife is from Mississippi, white, with some Cherokee. My family line is more white than the Grand Pubah of the KKK.

Blogger Alexander October 23, 2015 11:08 AM  

I should clarify: we're not talking about whether it was regular or premium. She didn't know whether her car took petrol or diesel. Kinda important...

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:09 AM  

"We don't care ..."

Lucky for you I enjoy cooking and I am pretty good at it. I will have to learn ...

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 23, 2015 11:09 AM  

Shush it Jaime and start cooking up some empanadas, chimichangas and whatever else you call your delicious food dishes.

Blogger Gaiseric October 23, 2015 11:10 AM  

tl;dr rhetorical bomb version: The Anglo-Saxon and Dutch settlers who founded the American nation didn't become Indians. Hordes of migrants from Latin countries south of border won't become Americans.

Blogger HardReturn¶ October 23, 2015 11:10 AM  

@26 Nate:

I've been shouting this forever. The main issue with the whole "driving while black" thing is that Blacks universally believe that whites ignore the traffic laws and registration regulations just like that do.

That's false. Whites tend to obey the laws except for interstate speeding. Whites in general drive at whatever speed traffic is flowing at on the interstate regardless of the speed limit. Blacks.. especially black males... speed a great deal more.

Someone with curiosity, actuarial acumen, and access to relevant data could test that hypothesis. Maybe it doesn't happen because even if the dialectic was watertight the potential flood of rhetoric backlash keeps such analysis dormant.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 11:11 AM  

I should clarify: we're not talking about whether it was regular or premium. She didn't know whether her car took petrol or diesel. Kinda important...

Saw a story on a car blog about a lady that took her Prius to the dealership for her 80k service. When they asked her if she had ever changed the oil, she said she hadn't, because hybrids don't have engines.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:11 AM  

"Just admit it, you want an exception for chefs who can make good food. I'm not against such an exception. It can be up there along with people of a certain higher education threshold and a lack of criminality."

no the difference is I think we have enough of them. I don't care to add more. I just want to keep many of the ones we already have.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:11 AM  

also super brainiac asian nuclear physicists... we can keep some of them too.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:12 AM  

Then, keep some good rum or whiskey or gin coming. The cook needs fuel.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 11:13 AM  

@64

I commented on this earlier, and that's what Nate was responding to: New Jersey DID test that in the 90s. And it was correct.

@48

Seriously, mind explaining what's wrong with open carry? Apart from the "people assume cop" thing. The guys on the right in this pic, not the ones on the left. What's wrong with that?

http://www.laopencarry.org/images/misc/OCRightWrong.jpg

OpenID Steve October 23, 2015 11:14 AM  

I am from Puerto Rico, a Hispanic (whatever that is), and I know I am an outlier. You also have to recognize that you may also be an outlier

The reason Clinton sent jackboots to drag Elian Gonzales out of a closet to deport, was he knew that anyone willing to risk life/limb to flee Cuba was not on the leftist side. The Mexicans that cross the border are the ones that would be on welfare if Mexico had welfare.

I realized I was a 1000-1 outlier in college when I went to a taxpayer subsidized gay youth conference in DC, I commented that as an EMT I didn't think it would be possible to have the streets actually safe for EMTs much less sex workers and that we should be working for alternatives to people selling themselves because only ugly people pay for sex. At least that's what I thought I said looking around people acted like I quoted Hitler.

Nate is against immigration, except in cases were said immigrant can make tasty South American fare.

Don't forget a trip to the brothel is part of doing business. I guess its a good thing no one expects me to make quiche.

Not a joke. Been there, done that. Crossed. turned around to a crowd of German scowling at me from the other side of the road

That is how Mexicans see people who stop at a red light and wait till its green to go through.
-BGS

Blogger Gaiseric October 23, 2015 11:14 AM  

Provided I can keep my access to yummy chimichangas and queso.

You can get that from Anglo-Saxon, blonde, blue-eyed, southern drawl-sepaking Hill Country Texas girl. You don't even need Mexicans for good chimichangas and queso anymore.

Although I'm not that old, I do recall when we traveled outside of Texas as kids and finding that Mexican food in Yankeeville really, really sucked, though. But by now? Everyone knows how to make queso.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:15 AM  

"Saddens me to have to inform y'all that chimichangas are not Puertorrican cousine."

...

What about those cuban ham sandwich things. Can you make those?

Blogger Gaiseric October 23, 2015 11:17 AM  

At least that's what I thought I said looking around people acted like I quoted Hitler.

For extra lols, you should have ACTUALLY quoted Hitler and then laughed when you tell them where the quote came from and their ardent agreement turns to horrified backpedaling.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:18 AM  

"You can get that from Anglo-Saxon, blonde, blue-eyed, southern drawl-sepaking Hill Country Texas girl. You don't even need Mexicans for good chimichangas and queso anymore."

not true. I've spent to much time in Texas to fall for that crap. What y'all call mexican ain't what we call mexican. its some kinda texican abomination.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 23, 2015 11:20 AM  

@57 Alexander, I have family in Milano, Bologna and L'Aquila, so they know how to drive a bit better but I still find them odd at times, especially the ones from Bologna.

My impression of Sicily is that the best thing about it is the beautiful countryside, and that's pretty much it. :)

OpenID Steve October 23, 2015 11:21 AM  

Seriously, mind explaining what's wrong with open carry? Apart from the "people assume cop" thing

Do I really have to be the one to explain this? If a naughty boy sees your gun they might try to steal it before attacking you. If more people concealed carry they would be putting criminals in the ground. You can CCW guns all over the place the ankle, shoulder, IWB, pocket, under-bra holster, and they even make hat holsters for mouse guns.

you should have ACTUALLY quoted Hitler and then laughed when you tell them where the quote

I was being sincere at the time & didn't realize how much I went against the narrative.
-BigGaySteve

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 23, 2015 11:22 AM  

@68 - Jaime, you got a deal.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:23 AM  

"Seriously, mind explaining what's wrong with open carry? Apart from the "people assume cop" thing. The guys on the right in this pic, not the ones on the left. What's wrong with that?"

What's wrong with it is that the guys on the left are more the norm than the guys on the right.

So they make us all look like social retards.

And the ones who don't make us look like social retards are completely invisible because everyone thinks they are cops. So it does harm when you do it wrong... and when you do it right... it does no good.

The reason I say they are the apsergers spectrum kids of the gun rights movement is because they are often oblivious to social norms and the easily predictable reactions they get.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 11:25 AM  

@78

So it's less the act itself and more how people do it that you reject. Fair enough, Chipolte Ninjas are asshats.

Blogger FALPhil October 23, 2015 11:26 AM  

@55 JaimeInTexas wrote:
I forgot to mention that Puertorrican food is not spicy, as in Habaneros and Tabasco,etc. There is a lot of spices but hardly any hot peppers.


The evolution of hot spices as a cuisine characteristic came from having poor quality food (as in rotten). the hot spices served the purpose of covering up the tainted taste. Puerto Rico, having a marvelous climate for growing fresh food in quantities that enabled it to export, never had a need for hot spices.

However, back to the issue - assimilation is preferred over diversity. Many people of different races and backgrounds have assimilated to traditional North American values and culture. I am reminded of a friend of African descent who is doing quite well in the States. His family immigrated from T&T, and set about assimilating immediately. I asked him once, if he ever ran into racism and how he handled it. His reply was telling:

"Sure, I run into it", he said. "But I don't let it bother me. If someone puts a barrier in front of me because of my skin color, I go around, or over, or through them. It's their problem, not mine. And like my father, I teach my kids the same way."

Clearly, my friend is not willing to accept victim status. He is actually more comfortable around white people than he is around native American black people. So, my theory is that immigration can work in small quantities where the immigrants make an effort to assimilate.

Blogger Marie October 23, 2015 11:30 AM  

"Someone with curiosity, actuarial acumen, and access to relevant data could test that hypothesis. Maybe it doesn't happen because even if the dialectic was watertight the potential flood of rhetoric backlash keeps such analysis dormant."

There is backlash. That was the whole point of the stupid "CrimingWhileWhite" movement.

There's a difference between shoplifting and strong-arm robbery but to hear some of my friends talk you would never know it.

They also would never pick a fight with a police officer. I think they confuse their sense of self-preservation with fear so think the people who do mouth off/threaten cops are "so brave."

Blogger YIH October 23, 2015 11:31 AM  

@Steve (BGS):
In this context 'NAM' really doesn't fit. Asians are pro-''gun control'' as well. For much the same reasons as Hispanics:
They support gun control because their assumption is that the system can be used to keep guns out of the hands of undesirables (e.g., blacks, Arabs, et. al.), while they themselves will be able to pretty much openly own guns by paying bribes to the relevant government officials, as they do in their native countries (China is the big exception to this, as the Communists have pretty much eradicated gun ownership amongst the hoi polloi; in Japan, the yakuza and other elements in the underlying power structure, as well as politicians, openly own firearms).
Mao's China (and I doubt it's changed much since) did ''gun control'' the same way Singapore does ''narcotics control'': Get caught in any way associated with it, punishment is swift and sure - up to and including execution.

OpenID Steve October 23, 2015 11:32 AM  

spectrum kids of the gun rights movement is because they are often oblivious to social norms and the easily predictable reactions they get.

You can know social norms and break them. Like a big hairy guy going to take a dump in the ladies bath room after a law passes letting them in like the Houston one. Even liberal women will think twice about it when a guys says he is a trans-bulldike.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:33 AM  

"So it's less the act itself and more how people do it that you reject. Fair enough, Chipolte Ninjas are asshats."

correct.

I keep trying to thing of a good way to do an open carry type protest and make it both effective and not socially retarded but I haven't had any luck yet. I'm open to the possibility of it.. I just don't know how to do it.

Blogger Alexander October 23, 2015 11:34 AM  

@70

Yeah, but the second time I came to a crosswalk where car traffic was blocked off, I waited for the walk signal to change. Nor did it occur to me to report the Germans for xenophobic hatecrimes.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:37 AM  

"What about those cuban ham sandwich things."

Recently, I watched a show about Cubans in Florida. Gulp, it was on PBS. I was flipping channels and they were doing foods. I could not help myself. Anyone can make those Cuban sandwiches. Now, the question is, salami or not?

They seem very tasty. Need to compare with a Muffaletta.

BTW, I have leraned to like hot peppers. I can tolerate peppers very high scoville scale.

My family says that my grilled steaks and grilled salmon are the best.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:38 AM  

" Even liberal women will think twice about it when a guys says he is a trans-bulldike."

no. They'll just think he's an asshole. and everyone that agrees with him will be considered an asshole too... and public opinion will sway in the favor of people who aren't assholes.

Blogger Kirk Parker October 23, 2015 11:43 AM  

Open Carry is the ASPY end of the pro-gun side.

No.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:43 AM  

I was already assimilated to Texas, even before living here.

As to open carry. I am for Constitutional carry. I open carry because when engaged in certain activities that is the only way to be able to have a handgun on the person. It will take a little time but we need some of the people that push the boundaries a little to get the public used to see guns carried by "civilians".

In Texas, the problem with open carry (when it becomes legal in January 2016) is that it will flag you as CHL.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 11:44 AM  

to restate: I will open carry because ...

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:49 AM  

"In Texas, the problem with open carry (when it becomes legal in January 2016) is that it will flag you as CHL."

Look.. the problem with Texas is it has shitty gun laws. Like worse than ohio shitty gun laws. ohio has had freaking constitutional open carry for DECADES.

It never even occured to most of us that you didn't have constitutional open carry in texas until we started getting called assholes because of the stupid shit open carry protesters were doing in Texas.

You want constitutional open carry? good for you. The rest of us already have it... because we arent' giant pussies in states with shitty gun laws like Texas. So please go about amending your problems in such a fashion that doesn't make problems for the rest of us.

K?

Thanks.

Blogger Kirk Parker October 23, 2015 11:52 AM  

Steve, you see the "tactical advantage of concealed carry" meme repeated all over the place, yet nobody oversights any anecdotes, much less actual statistics, that show this to be true.

I realized that violent crime overall is down, but far from non existent so you would think the opponents of open carry could cite some actual evidence. Show me the new stories!

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:53 AM  

"Steve, you see the "tactical advantage of concealed carry" meme repeated all over the place, yet nobody oversights any anecdotes, much less actual statistics, that show this to be true."

that's because open carry is so rare compared to concealed carry its not really possible to test the hypothesis.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 11:54 AM  

Many people of different races and backgrounds have assimilated to traditional North American values and culture.

The point is that many of them clearly haven't.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 11:54 AM  

I generally believe open carry deters more crime than concealed carry but among gun rights guys my opinion is a minority one.

Blogger Kirk Parker October 23, 2015 11:56 AM  

Nate,

"What's wrong with it is that the guys on the left are more the norm than the guys on the right. "

Where are you from? Your statement is certainly not true of Western Washington; its not even true of those who get press coverage here.

Blogger Dave October 23, 2015 11:58 AM  

while they themselves will be able to pretty much openly own guns by paying bribes to the relevant government officials, as they do in their native countries

This is a very common response I hear from ex-pats in central and south America. The indigenous population goes along with strict gun control laws but it is easy and expected to skirt the laws for self defense.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 11:58 AM  

Where are you from? Your statement is certainly not true of Western Washington; its not even true of those who get press coverage here.

The Tactical Neckbeards were from Texas, I think.

OpenID Jack Amok October 23, 2015 12:00 PM  

Open Carry is the ASPY end of the pro-gun side.

Yes, but they give the bad guys someone to shoot at and buy the rest of us time to return fire.

My hope is the guys that own those restaurants will choose to stay... and since they own businesses and actually add something constructive... people will not kill them.

When all the Orientals were run out of my home town in the 1870's, the only guy allowed to stay was the cook at a lumber camp.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 12:01 PM  

Also, Chipotle and Chilis didn't prohibit open carry in their restaurants until these assholes started showing up taking selfies in line.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 12:01 PM  

Yes, but they give the bad guys someone to shoot at and buy the rest of us time to return fire.

Some of them are quite large human shields.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 12:02 PM  

"while they themselves will be able to pretty much openly own guns by paying bribes to the relevant government officials, as they do in their native countries"

which is totally different from paying your local sheriff 125 bucks for a pistol license like we do here in America...

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 12:03 PM  

"Where are you from? Your statement is certainly not true of Western Washington; its not even true of those who get press coverage here."

Alabama.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 12:03 PM  

Here's another Open Carry Hero

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 12:04 PM  

"When all the Orientals were run out of my home town in the 1870's, the only guy allowed to stay was the cook at a lumber camp. "

so there's hope.

excellent.

Blogger Student in Blue October 23, 2015 12:07 PM  

which is totally different from paying your local sheriff 125 bucks for a pistol license like we do here in America...

At the very least, it's one less charge they can (honestly) bring against you. But yeah, other than that it's not really different at all.

OpenID Jack Amok October 23, 2015 12:08 PM  

I once went to Sicily to visit a girl... and for all her charms and graces, the ability to drive was utterly nonexistent

In preparation for the Big Deport, I'm learning to cook tasty Asian food (I'm already a decent chimichanga chef and make superb Margaritas). So I went to the big local Asian grocery store for supplies. My mistake was going when all the women were shopping. Was almost hit three times going into the parking lot and twice leaving.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 12:09 PM  

@91 Nate
Texas properly chided.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 23, 2015 12:10 PM  

Seriously, what is it with the racial homogenity being inversely proportional to racial sanity in the US?

Living where I do in the rural Midwest, I've never spent any serious amount of time with a non-white person. If all I had to go on was what TV says, why wouldn't I believe that non-whites are equal to whites in every way, except where they're better?

Blogger Marie October 23, 2015 12:11 PM  

#106

It also helps them know where to go looking for the guns.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 23, 2015 12:11 PM  

Nope. I still got nothing. Urban dictionary says its slang for people with Asbergers.

Try this. (NSFW)

Blogger Dave October 23, 2015 12:13 PM  

When all the Orientals were run out of my home town in the 1870's, the only guy allowed to stay was the cook at a lumber camp.

So Jack...how was the guy's cooking?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 23, 2015 12:14 PM  

In my case (South American mestizo, yeah I am hated round here by many but I am not planning to go to the States

I think you've misunderstood us. We don't hate mestizos in other countries. In fact, I've liked every one I've met, and there are many things about your cultures that I admire. But I'd like to keep it that way. That won't happen if millions keep flowing into my country and changing the culture and taking jobs away from my fellow citizens. Since you're not planning to come here, why would we hate you?

Good fences make good neighbors.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 12:16 PM  

So I went to the big local Asian grocery store for supplies. My mistake was going when all the women were shopping. Was almost hit three times going into the parking lot and twice leaving.

It was a misunderstanding. They thought you were going to the store for a surprise.

Tiny asian women in gigantic SUVs are an existential threat to the American driver.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 23, 2015 12:21 PM  

For a Cuban Sandwich get a loaf of Cuban Bread and slice down the middle. Cover both sides with mustard. Put on a layer of ham, a layer of American Cheese, a layer of Cuban Pork. Place Pickles on top. Cover with the top of the bread. Wrap in Foil. Place in a 300 degree F oven. Place a Cast iron skillet on top and bake for about 10 minutes.

Also look up Ropas and Christianos y Moros.

OpenID Jack Amok October 23, 2015 12:21 PM  

You can know social norms and break them

But if you don't get the response you expected and don't realize it, then "aspie" still fits.

If the point of OC is to prove that normal, well-adjusted and responsible people own and carry guns, then being aggressive and in-your-face about it is completely counter-productive.

If the point is to stage a political protest or a political rally, doing it while being conspicuously armed is going to backfire at the ballot box. When it's time to start showing up armed at political rallies, well... we may get there faster than we expect, but we're not there yet.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 23, 2015 12:24 PM  

I have met a number of Chinese Americans who are very much into the Second Amendment.

OpenID Jack Amok October 23, 2015 12:25 PM  

So Jack...how was the guy's cooking?

Dunno, wasn't my lumber camp.

Blogger MendoScot October 23, 2015 12:25 PM  

@80. FALPhil

A common misconception; pungent spices are neither necessary nor particularly effective at covering up for rotten food - they can even make you more sensitive to byproducts of putrefaction. The principal reason is that pungent peppers are both food preservatives and antibacterial agents. Secondly, they trick the body into cooling itself by directly activating the brain temperature sensors. Both functions have obvious advantages in hot climes, where spicy foods are commonly found.

Blogger Patrick Kelly October 23, 2015 12:27 PM  

@74 Nate: " I've spent to much time in Texas to fall for that crap. What y'all call mexican ain't what we call mexican. its some kinda texican abomination."

I can tolerate the Tex-Mex stuff, but not my favorite.

Need to try some non-texican dishes. Ironically in Austin "The Texican Cafe" has some of the better El Paso style. To get better you have to actually go to El Paso, or north of there into New Mexico.

If you don't like that, then whatever bamified version of mexican food you like probably suks.

@103 Nate: ""Where are you from?..." ...Alabama.

That's where he lives. There are ilken rumors about where he's from I have no first hand knowledge of and cannot confirm or deny.



Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 12:30 PM  

The last thing I'm going to say on this topic is that the absolute finest public defense of the 2nd Amendment that I ever had the privilege to watch was delivered by a Korean immigrant.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 12:32 PM  

the absolute finest public defense of the 2nd Amendment that I ever had the privilege to watch was delivered by a Korean immigrant.

Like these?

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 12:35 PM  

"If you don't like that, then whatever bamified version of mexican food you like probably suks.
"

it isn't bamafied. Its the exact same in every one of these little places you find... from Alabama to Kentucky to Oklahoma to Utah.

only texas has it all texified up... at least the places in Austin did. I do remember a really good place in Forth Worth near the BMW dealer.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 23, 2015 12:45 PM  

Couple of different things going on there, I think. Lefties subscribe to the notion of infinite maleabilty in Man, and, in the words of the original draft of the SDS' Port Huron Statement, that "Man is infinitely perfectible." They presume this ability to mold people through social engineering, propagandization, training, "education," and relentless bloody nagging is reliable, certain, and terribly easy. Hence, sure, "Magic Dirt," where "dirt" means all the above mechanisms. The logic's fine; it's the premises that are horseshit.

And Latins...yes, they're very comfortable with rules that no one pays the slightest attention to, except insofar as the occasional bribe might be required to get away with ignoring the rules. In a latin culture, there might be very strict gun control laws, which the police wouldn't even think about enforcing, but which would be used to enhance sentencing if used for a bad purpose. They'd be very shocked, many or most of them, if they succeeded in imposing gun control, once they realized that we'd be serious about enforcing it. Also, they're not all anti-gun. Panama is fairly liberal; the biggest restriction on guns being that they're a little more expensive than here, and they don't import the brands we'd prefer, generally. I was licensed to carry there in the 80s but let it lapse. Costa Rica is also fairly easy going, I understand. Some of the places that had recent civil wars are officially more restrictive, El Sal and Nicaragua, for example. I don't know if any of the Latin governments or constitutions recognize a natural right to arms. Generally speaking, most of those that are more easygoing in theory are pains in the ass in practice: "Sure you can have a gun. Now fill out these 7999 forms, get 15 letters from various government officials who will swear your a great guy, go see this shrink, wait six years...."

Blogger Gaiseric October 23, 2015 12:55 PM  

not true. I've spent to much time in Texas to fall for that crap. What y'all call mexican ain't what we call mexican. its some kinda texican abomination.

No, it's what's called the best food in the world. And it evolved naturally after the Greater Appalachian borderlanders who settled Texas kicked out the official Mexican government. It's as white as bangers and mash!

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 23, 2015 12:59 PM  

@122 Those guys *were* mentioned, but this guy was speaking before a city council somewhere.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 1:00 PM  

" I don't know if any of the Latin governments or constitutions recognize a natural right to arms."

From my experience growing up in PR and from interactions with "latinos" from other places, it is Roman Civil laws what they implement. In other words, no individual rights but privileges. Your rights is what the government says they are. Very patriarchal view as to what government ought to be able to do.

Where we are heading in these uSA.

Blogger Copperheaded October 23, 2015 1:02 PM  

I keep trying to thing of a good way to do an open carry type protest and make it both effective and not socially retarded but I haven't had any luck yet. I'm open to the possibility of it.. I just don't know how to do it.

I think this was a pretty good way to do it:

Armed Texans March Out to Confront Ferguson Rioters

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 1:03 PM  

There is Mexican food and there is TexMex. Related but different. Don't like, who cares? Nate, you can bring me my whiskey now.

We have the real BBQ and damn sure we also have the real chili.

Talking a out chili. I made a batch and it is time to get me some.

Blogger Gaiseric October 23, 2015 1:09 PM  

only texas has it all texified up... at least the places in Austin did.

Well, there's your problem. Austin is an island of not-Texas smack in the middle of Texas.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 23, 2015 1:15 PM  



A rare clean miss by Brietbart.


They lost sight of the big political take away, which Nate Silver apparently didn't.


Colorado strongly indicated that, Hispanic gun owners WILL cross aisle when it comes to gun rights. They are single issue voters if gun control is on the table. Add that to the white majority that already votes GOP in any given area and it's enough to put you over the top in just about any Safe Seat Blue district that isn’t San Francisco.


It’s something to keep in mind.


As for magic dirt.


Interesting thing. Show a Frenchmen or an Italian nationalist a jar of dirt from their own country vs a jar of dirt from any other country on Earth and ask them which one is better? They will say it's the one from their own country. Asked why? They will say because it's from France or Italy or China or wherever.


Show an American nationalist a jar of dirt from America vs a jar of dirt from any other country on Earth and ask the same question. You will mostly get confused looks and an effort to try and determine if this a trick question due to mineral content. After that the American will throw up his hands and say, "there is no difference, dirt is dirt."


We used to get a very specialized and in my view superior kind of immigrant.


One that was buying into our social contract.


Look at the rest of world. Peasants know their place and their societies view that as virtue. It keeps things stable. The first nail that pops up is the first one to get nailed down.


We used to get all the nails that popped up. We got the people who had a bone deep predisposition to rebellion against authority. I strongly suspect that that trait is genetic in origin.


And that trait is completely absent in the tsunami of know your place peasants that we are being flooded with.

Of course they love the Democrats.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar October 23, 2015 1:15 PM  

Vox, your sarcasm is just too subtle for most people. Being a superintelligence you don't really believe that people in power are epecting these immigrants to adopt American Values, and no one else does either, because now the policy specifically states they don't have to assimilate and instead maintain their alien cultures. Since virtually no one on Earth has the same rights as we do, this is obviously a naked attempt by Government to remove the Bill of Rights by finding stupid voters who think Liberty is a statue on an Island off of NYC. This whole immigration thing is a plot to undo the Constitution, plain and simple. We need more people like we need more taxes. There are more than enough workers to do many times the jobs we have now, and with automation and AI many jobs now will be done by machines soon. I'm not sure what these idiots believe will happen when there are so many people on welfare the budget is unsustainable and the Government checks start bouncing like super balls, but that day is coming soon. We are at the cusp of losing the World Reserve Currency Status for the Dollar now that the BRICS bank is up and running. I don't believe any of these idiots in Washington even have a plan to deal with this disaster.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 23, 2015 1:18 PM  

So what we see here is the open and blatant weaponization of democracy.

But... there is a reason why the leftoids hate open carry so much, they'll try to get you SWATted if they see you:

When Jose the Illegal sees someone who is not a cop openly carrying a gun, they get very interested and it's an eye opener for them.
I recall at a shooting range where we had a farm that fronted the road a black fellow from Ivory Coast pulled in to look at some of the tractors we had for sale there.
(You see thanks to these trade deals, in order to get tractors in Africa you have to jump through hoop, so here's this African black guy driving around the countryside looking to buy used tractors to ship to Africa. Because in reality they want to grow their own food in Africa, not get handouts from whitelandia where the food ends up in the wrong hands and/or gets used to leverage power over the people)
Anyway, we had AR-15s. I offered to show him around. He explained that in his country, if he drove around in the kind of vehicle (some SUV) that he was using in the USA, eventually a soldier would point a rifle at him and take it. I showed him a rack of "assault" (I never seen a gun assault anybody) weapons and explained what would start happening to soldiers here if they tried that. He appeared very fond of the idea.

Open Carry is likely to be the best "cure" for what the leftoids plan in their weaponized democracy ploy. Already as a range officer I see more Hispanic people at the range and last time I gave a fellow who clearly was not a native english speaker a crash course in the concepts of reloading his own ammo (basically telling him where to get information, presses, etc.) That's not the first time.

So the notion of "immigrant = anti-gun" is not as solid or locked in as the leftoids may think. Once they realize that:
- they can be armed unlike back where they came from and
- they can go hunting, something only the rich and/or powerful can do where they came from
then their anti-gun vote is lost.

The choice ultimately is ours: while we can be against open borders and illegals being let in, the individuals themselves (those actually interested in a better life - read: not being carted off by the feds somewhere to live on the dole) who show an interest should not be shut out. Keep in mind that in the latin world men are still men and ultimately while they can be fooled by their "betters" once they realize someone is trying to fool them they don't play along. And they won't let their women lead them on this.

Now while I don't bother to open carry in douchebagland (where hipsters live) out in the sticks where lots of Mexicans roam working the farms, where there is no snarking effeteratti to try SWAT you (the white people don't care) I open carry at any and all opportunities.

Florida as an OC state would be epic. Expect to see hot babes on Miami beach in bikinis using drop holsters.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 1:19 PM  

@130 Gaiseric

There is that.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar October 23, 2015 1:33 PM  

Listen, take my advice to heart. Don't open carry. Get some guns and bury them with plenty of ammo. They're bringing in Blue Helmets from the UN to patrol some major cities. The Government is already paranoid, and this clown in the White House is probably expendable. They have cameras everywhere now. Don't tip your hand. Don't talk on phones, or even have them on you when you talk. The Eye of Sauron is watching.

Blogger Patrick Kelly October 23, 2015 1:35 PM  

@123 Nate: " Its the exact same in every one of these little places you find... from Alabama to Kentucky to Oklahoma to Utah."

Ah, gotcha. That's probably closer to what I'm calling El Paso style.

@130 Gaiseric: "Austin is an island of not-Texas smack in the middle of Texas."

Heh, yep, mostly from a constant influx of not-from-texas furrieners....

Blogger Patrick Kelly October 23, 2015 1:38 PM  

@135

If you're afraid of carrying, afraid of being on a list, afraid of talking on the phone, burying your guns and ammo, you will likely be too afraid to dig them up and use them when the time comes. Sauron ain't afraid of buried guns.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 1:42 PM  

" Panama is fairly liberal; the biggest restriction on guns being that they're a little more expensive than here, and they don't import the brands we'd prefer, generally. I was licensed to carry there in the 80s but let it lapse. Costa Rica is also fairly easy going, I understand."

Excellent stuff Krat. Both should be on the short list of a gun guy's ex-pat options.

I don't get the average american's prorblem with corruption or bribery. So becuase we employ professional bureacracy in our bribery we are some how better than the latins to the south that don't bother?

Bah.

I'd prefer to buy my politicians and police honestly and openly.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 1:42 PM  

Listen, take my advice to heart.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

BE SURE TO VISIT VETERANS TODAY DOT COM AND LIKE AND SHARE THIS POST!!!

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 1:47 PM  

"The Government is already paranoid, and this clown in the White House is probably expendable. They have cameras everywhere now. Don't tip your hand. Don't talk on phones, or even have them on you when you talk. The Eye of Sauron is watching."

oh for fucks sake...

better advice: don't live in a city dumbass.

Blogger John Luzzi October 23, 2015 1:48 PM  

I teach at a High School in San Diego, CA. We are home to a sizable population of Chaldean immigrants who came to the states following the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 (some earlier). As a group many of them are quite patriotic. Though I know this is not the case for all immigrants, after all I live in a border town. I wonder though what 'IT' actually is that for some immigrants do become 'American'.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar October 23, 2015 1:57 PM  

Nate you might think you're safe in a small town, but are there cameras on the streetlights? The camera on your phone can be turned on by the NSA and you'll never know it. They made them so the light doesn't come on.

OpenID Steve October 23, 2015 2:16 PM  

Jamie I open carry because when engaged in certain activities that is the only way to be able to have a handgun on the person

What activities? Are you open carrying at a gay bath house or while wearing a speedo on the beach ? You can buy a hat holster that will hide a double tap derringer pistol if that is the case.
http://www.defensereview.com/doubletap-titanium-tactical-pocket-pistol-ultra-compact-2-shot-45-acp9mm-parabellum-blaster-goes-tropical-and-state-of-the-art-but-its-still-a-derringer/

which is totally different from paying your local sheriff 125 bucks for a pistol license like we do here in America

$20 to get a new CCW here.

133 Since you're not planning to come here, why would we hate you? Perhaps I shouldn't say what I did to Hispanic guys.

I have met a number of Chinese Americans who are very much into the Second Amendment.

If I was in a die verse city when a Category 5 chimpout happened I would head to the Asian part of town if I couldn't get out. The Asian rooftop riflemen are realists.

Listen, take my advice to heart. Don't open carry. Get some guns and bury them with plenty of ammo

You bury cheap Russian guns/ammo but have your safe queens ready to go. If they do start confiscating guns people will just go out and shoot the families of anti gun politicians. In CT the addresses and FM of all the anti gun politicians got published and distributed.

"CT State Senators voting Yes on "An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children's Safety, also known as Public Law 13-3 or Connecticut Senate Bill No. 1160," 3 April 2013. List includes home addresses. Photos and home phone numbers of these tyrants are available here:http://www.cbia.com/ga/CT_State_Senators_List/-AZSENATE"
-BGS

Blogger Gaiseric October 23, 2015 2:17 PM  

@142. In that case, I'm sure they'll get some great pictures of the inside of my pocket.

Blogger Geoff October 23, 2015 2:25 PM  

Steve, better to conceal carry when at the beach.

"Is that a gun in your speedo or are you just happy to see me?"

Blogger BunE22 October 23, 2015 2:27 PM  

I got a link to this in my email the other day - The Truth About Illegal Immigrants: Was Donald Trump Right?

http://youtu.be/W6NYP9qmjfU

Hubby and I belong to the NRA. From my cold, dead hands bitches.

Blogger Patrick Kelly October 23, 2015 2:27 PM  

"The camera on your phone can be turned on by the NSA and you'll never know it. They made them so the light doesn't come on."

My BS alarm just went into conniption fits.

Plus I can counter that shit with ducktape and sticking my phone where my head's been accused of living. Besides I have an ancient dumb-ass phone, they can't collect shit from it.

Blogger John Luzzi October 23, 2015 2:40 PM  

I teach at a High School in San Diego, CA. We are home to a sizable population of Chaldean immigrants who came to the states following the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 (some earlier). As a group many of them are quite patriotic. Though I know this is not the case for all immigrants, after all I live in a border town. I wonder though what 'IT' actually is that for some immigrants do become 'American'.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 23, 2015 2:40 PM  

Kayak fishing, especially when loading unloading.

If gun confiscation begins, it will end the moment the first official is shot dead and the jury, if it gets that far, returns a not guilty veredict.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 23, 2015 2:46 PM  

@107 Jack Amok
I once went to Sicily to visit a girl... and for all her charms and graces, the ability to drive was utterly nonexistent

In preparation for the Big Deport, I'm learning to cook tasty Asian food (I'm already a decent chimichanga chef and make superb Margaritas). So I went to the big local Asian grocery store for supplies. My mistake was going when all the women were shopping. Was almost hit three times going into the parking lot and twice leaving.
---

DWA - Driving While Asian

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 2:47 PM  

The camera on your phone can be turned on by the NSA and you'll never know it. They made them so the light doesn't come on.

What happens if he takes the battery out?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 23, 2015 3:01 PM  

The battery has a camera and microphone too! Don't you know anything?

Blogger Were-Puppy October 23, 2015 3:03 PM  

This is a good topic. Has bikini's, guns, burritos, whiskey.

Blogger Didact October 23, 2015 3:25 PM  

Immigrants are heavily anti-gun rights

Not all of us are. I'm not. (Though technically I am not, yet, an immigrant- I'm here on a non-immigrant visa.)

But, what you say is true, as a general rule.

How very shocking to discover that immigrants place no value on "rights" that don't exist, and have never existed, in their alien cultures. As I have repeatedly pointed out, immigrants have no understanding of limited government nor do they harbor any love for it.

Again, not true in certain specific cases. Nonetheless, it is (very sadly) true as a general rule.

Blogger Didact October 23, 2015 3:39 PM  

@153,

This is a good topic. Has bikini's, guns, burritos, whiskey.

Needs some NASCAR, gridiron, and balls-out insane explosions. THEN it would be the perfect Sunday.

Blogger Marie October 23, 2015 4:04 PM  

@151

The phones are like Chucky in Child's play, they work without batteries.

They probably fly too, otherwise we could just leave the phone in the other room during interesting conversations.

But the NSA has thought of that.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 5:03 PM  

"$20 to get a new CCW here."

the 125 is for 5 years.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 5:04 PM  

"Nate you might think you're safe in a small town, but are there cameras on the streetlights? The camera on your phone can be turned on by the NSA and you'll never know it. They made them so the light doesn't come on."

Street lights? Son there are only 4 stop lights in my whole town... and I don't live in town. nearest street light to me is miles away. And my phone camera? son my phone doesn't reliably work for me... you think the NSA can make it work?

HA!

Good luck.

Blogger SciVo October 23, 2015 5:28 PM  

Nate @84: I keep trying to thing of a good way to do an open carry type protest and make it both effective and not socially retarded but I haven't had any luck yet.

What do you think of the Roseburg protesters after the Umpqua Community College shooting? Most of the open carry that I saw in the pictures was by normal-looking guys wearing suspenders over t-shirts tucked into blue jeans. Not sloppy, yet no one would mistake them for cops.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 23, 2015 5:33 PM  

Open Carry has it's place

The woods are a good example of this.

But as Open Carry in the city...

Consider these two things.

One; of the cops who get shot. One in five is shot with his own side arm.

Two; I have never once in my life met or heard of a cop who Open Carries off duty.

I will never back any initiative to ban Open Carry but I will never say it's good idea either.

Blogger FP October 23, 2015 5:51 PM  

@36

"Open Carry is the ASPY end of the pro-gun side."

Only because most of the "only" concealed carry types don't have the guts to open carry just their pistol let alone an AK in a chipoltle eatery. Yeah, many OC'ers are spergs/attention whores but at least they're out there challenging the paradigm. The pro conceal guys sperg out themselves citing places like CA where supposedly open carry hurt gun rights. Uh, it was CA. It was already lost.

I'll care about the opinions of rabid pro concealed/limited or no open carry types like Masad Ayoob the day I don't need a permission slip to conceal carry nationwide. Many on that side of the debate still think that the main driver in push back against gun control is because of the NRA or the SAF in the congress and courts.

Blogger Josh October 23, 2015 6:03 PM  

Only because most of the "only" concealed carry types don't have the guts to open carry just their pistol let alone an AK in a chipoltle eatery.

So brave

Blogger Groot October 23, 2015 6:11 PM  

@124. Tom Kratman:
"They presume this ability to mold people through social engineering, propagandization, training, 'education,' and relentless bloody nagging is reliable, certain, and terribly easy."

So SJW is a dyslexic abbreviation for New Girlfriend Syndrome.

@154. Didact:

I like your page: "Guardians... galaxy... roots." I felt right at home.

OpenID would-be-tellin October 23, 2015 6:28 PM  

The pro conceal guys sperg out themselves citing places like CA where supposedly open carry hurt gun rights. Uh, it was CA. It was already lost.

To the contrary, by prompting the CA legislature to ban all forms of open carry besides hunting, the gun banners set themselves up for an initial major loss in court, although the tea leaves suggest the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will reverse, and we know the Supreme Court will deny cert as they have in the 4 other cases appealed to them.

Blogger Thordaddy October 23, 2015 7:21 PM  

Radical autonomy is a human right.

Blogger Nate October 23, 2015 7:33 PM  

"I'll care about the opinions of rabid pro concealed/limited or no open carry types like Masad Ayoob the day I don't need a permission slip to conceal carry nationwide. "

I want no limits on open carry.

Where I live there are no limits on open carry.

This is why I don't give a fuck what you think. If you're live in a commie shithole without open carry.. that's your problem. Not mine.

OpenID Jack Amok October 23, 2015 8:50 PM  

We are home to a sizable population of Chaldean immigrants...As a group many of them are quite patriotic.

I've known many immigrants who were genuinely patriotic and had a great deal of affection, respect and gratitude towards the United States.

But none of that means they believe in or even understand the basic cultural institutions of limited government that America was founded on. Or that they can be counted on to preserve that culture even if they want to.

Blogger Héctor October 23, 2015 9:17 PM  

@JaimeInTexas

Thank you for your response. I don't deny that genetics and geography (the latter to a limited but significant extent) are what determine the majorities population attitude in general. I just said that, in the case of gun rights, I highly doubt genetics has something to do with the aversion to guns that many liberals express, since as I said our ancestors (Latin America) used to be armed. Only in the last 100 years, the stranglehold of the govt has become strong enough to keep a large portion of the population unarmed. That was point and it applies to Germans, British and even Spaniards.

In reference to the limited government stuff It's not that people from Latam or Europe cannot understand it. The problem is that many understand it very well and know what limited govt means: They will have no one else to blame but themselves if their lives go wrong. They would rather go and live in the dole than take the risks necessary even if they have to take the rest with them. Like some smarter folks have said, communism/socialism/feminism are envy made politics.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 23, 2015 9:44 PM  

I hadn't really thought about it in quite that way before, Groot, but there may well be a correlation.

Interesting name. One of the profs at my law school was named Groot. He was a former jarhead, couple of tours in Vietnam, who was liberal about almost everything _except_ the Second Amendment.

OpenID Jack Amok October 23, 2015 9:51 PM  

The camera on your phone can be turned on by the NSA and you'll never know it. They made them so the light doesn't come on.

Unfortunately for the NSA the "turn on the secret recorder" command has a bug - it conflicts with the spy program installed by the Chinese manufacturer and causes the phone to start playing the theme song to Green Acres.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 23, 2015 9:56 PM  

Mad Dok, I _assure_ you that not everyone born there has issues with guns in private hands. Obviously enough, I don't. But neither do most of the towns there. (There are a few counties left in Massachusetts, but they don't do much and have mostly been voted into extinction over the last couple of centuries.) Here's a list of towns there and CCW permits issued from which you might be able to infer how relatively anti- and pro- RKBA a given Massachusetts town is: http://www.comm2a.org/resources. Also look at this, which is more subjective, but probably about equally valid: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/8703-Guide-to-gun-rights-in-your-Massachusetts-town

There are towns there where, it would seem, more than half of adult males are carrying. You may want to move to one.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 23, 2015 10:31 PM  

John Luzzi:

I suspect a big part of it is safety. In 91 I ran an Assyrian/Chaldean town in that part of Iraq, Mangesh. The whole area had been theirs and Christian for millennia, but little by little our gallant allies, the Kurds, had raped, robbed, and murdered the Christians out of their homes and land. (No, I'm not a big fan of the Kurds.)

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 23, 2015 10:35 PM  

Unfortunately for the NSA the "turn on the secret recorder" command has a bug - it conflicts with the spy program installed by the Chinese manufacturer and causes the phone to start playing the theme song to Green Acres

Oh...I was wondering why it was doing that.

OpenID Steve October 23, 2015 11:10 PM  

"$20 to get a new CCW here." the 125 is for 5 years-- SO is the $20, just enough to cover the background check.

One; of the cops who get shot. One in five is shot with his own side arm.

There is a video out there of a black cop who shot himself in the foot. Have to wonder how many of that 1/5 that makes up.

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Blogger MidKnight (#138) October 24, 2015 9:43 AM  

@Cataline Sergius

We used to get a very specialized and in my view superior kind of immigrant.


One that was buying into our social contract.


Well put.

Part of the issue is that even the ones who come over who DO know better, who DO buy into the contract, who'd seen the ruins and horror of communism first hand, all too often have kids that still buy into the socialist bullshit.

I've seen enough 2nd gen Lithuanian Obama voter/hard core democrats to almost feel ashamed of being lumped with the current crop. It's even worse when you consider how many of them I knew grew up seeing their parent's homeland finally freed of Soviet rule... (We'll see how long that lasts...)

Blogger Tom Kratman October 24, 2015 11:03 AM  

Joshua, have you any idea, even the slightest, of how militarily useless - indeed, worse than useless; they suck up logistics and do nothing - the bulk of the troops provided to the UN are? How worthless the UN military staff is? For fuck's sake, they are mostly the 2nd and 3rd cousins of African kleptocrats, given sinecures to pay off some favor or other, without military training, experience, or talent. The few exceptions would be mostly on our side. Of course, the UN would dearly _like_ to be in a position to govern the world, and us, but they simply haven't got what it takes.

Blogger Desiderius October 25, 2015 2:01 AM  

"which is totally different from paying your local sheriff 125 bucks for a pistol license like we do here in America..."

Yep.

The vast majority of government expansion over the last century is little more than glorified graft.

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