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Thursday, October 15, 2015

Mailvox: more border closures coming

Apparently things are about to get even more interesting in Eastern Europe in response to the ongoing invasion. A reader from Eastern Europe writes:
Get ready for things to get interesting again at the Hungarian border/Croatia/Slovenia/Serbia.

When Hungary closed the Serbian border, there was about a day of riots, which were all over world news, horrible hungarian policemen teargassing poor migrants. But this lasted about a day, as they immediately started going towards the Croatian border.

Today, still thousands of refugees cross Hungary, but no one notices them, since it is all organized, basically because Germany is still receiving unlimited amounts of them daily. Croatians bus them to Hungarian border, Hungarian authorities get them on special trains straight to the Austrian border, Austrians get them on special trains straight to Germany.

This time though, Orbán is taking his time with the Croatian border closure.

One reason is technical, it takes time to figure out the optimal way. The border is much longer than the Serbian (164 kms to 355 kms), and for the most part two rivers form the border (Dráva and Mura in Hungarian). First they said they were not going to build any fence at the rivers, than they decided to build anyway in some spaces they considered vulnerable. They spotted croatians scouting the border looking for vulnerable places, the days before it was supposed to start, so they took their time to make sure the fence will be effective. The deadline moved, and now they not even giving exact date, they will probably make it effective by surprise, when everything falls to place.

Second reason is political. As you may know, there is an alliance called Visegrad Group, or V4, which is made up of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland. I'm not going to Google the whole history of this, but the alliance is formal, every now and then there are V4 summits and workshops on different levels (PMs, presidents, ministers, etc), independently of which political formations govern at given moment. 

Orbán this time does not want to play the bad guy alone, so he got the V4 to back him up with political support, and by sending policemen or military personnel/equipment to help patrol the Serbian and Croatian borders, which are the Schengen borders of Europe. He is also organizing a two-month military exercise, called "Balaton 2015", aimed at practicing different logistical scenarios that could unfold at a migrant crisis. Today the first 20 Czech soldiers arrived for the exercise. Slovakian defence minister just announced that they will send soldiers also.

Apart from that, Slovakia will send 50 policemen for the Schengen border patrol, they will be arriving until the 20th of October.The Poles didn't do much yet, but they will probably help with something.

So another border closure is coming in the next few weeks. I really don't know what the hell are the Croatians and Serbs waiting for, I would be building my own fence like mad.
So much for the idea of European "union". It's creating more walls than the Soviet invasion of Eastern Europe did. If this insanity is allowed to continue by the German elite, the walls will eventually be constructed of impaled migrants.

Mass migration is war.

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37 Comments:

Blogger Phillip George October 15, 2015 5:41 AM  

You know Vox there's a theory that the only way the US can now maintain a hegemon is to make everywhere else look and work worse than they are. That they will black mail coerce or scuttle Europe just to make the greenback look stable.
Eastern Europeans however aren't so teary eyed sentimental about either multi cultic scimitar waving musselmen or empires run from abroad.
Into the mix Vladimir seems very determined to not abandon Slavs a second time around.

I sat in on a lecture Tuesday night from a man who said it is now etched deep in the Russ psychy to protect minorities. It maybe their redemption songs.

Blogger chris October 15, 2015 6:30 AM  

If Merkel expects to resettle the Islamic refugees among other countries in the EU she will have a challenge. Because it is not in their national interest. I expect that the trains will start running the other way as soon as the elite cut the benefits off.

Which will happen.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 15, 2015 6:35 AM  

Interesting development.

Pan-Germanic-Slavism. They appear to be going back to an older mindset. Traditionally the Central Europeans looked down on the Russians. It was only in the late 1800s that they more or less accepted St. Petersburg's hegemony. Soviet suzerainty was forced on them by Stalin.

What is going on with Northern Europe? As chaotic as they are, the Southern Europeans have way more more will to survive than this.

Are they genetically so heavily selected for the stress of bare survival, that fat times rips them apart?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 15, 2015 7:06 AM  

Disqualify the word "racist" and they won't need walls, they will need an extra shift at the Privi Partisian factory producing ammo.


Spending billions as a prophylactic because of a word and the silly assed taboos placed upon us by witch doctors of ideology and propaganda.

Blogger pdwalker October 15, 2015 7:06 AM  

wow. signs of sanity. let's hope it catches on.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 15, 2015 7:46 AM  

Don't forget that Liberals have always controlled Germany. Kant, Hegel and even the foundation of the German National Socialist party in Bohemia was Liberal. Bismark was a Liberal in the Welfare State. And on top of this, don't forget the American Occupation of Germany and the suppression of German nationalism by the American overlords. America controls Germany to some extent. There are still five or six American military bases in Germany. We are still occupying Germany and Japan ensuring the Americanization of those countries. And still further is the Holocaustinizing of the Germans into perpetual war guilt.

The Great Replacement Those French women have got their act together. They are truly sticking it to everybody. From the Pope, to their Political Leaders, to the Masons and to les Americains.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir October 15, 2015 7:53 AM  

What we are witnessing in Europe presently is reminiscent of that which happened in the 16th and 17th centuries there: the threat to Christian civilization by Muslim determination to conquer the Christian West. A great acceleration in this determination occurred in the late sixteenth century when Cyprus was captured and Malta besieged. However, the real plan of the Muslims was to attack Rome itself, because to attack and conquer Rome was to establish Islam not only in Europe but in the New World as well. Under Pope St Pius V a coalition of forces gathered to oppose the forces of Islam. The Pope, St Pius V--not a let's-all-just-be-nice fellow like John Paul II, Benedict XVI or Francis--asked the whole Christian world to pray the Rosary for the success of the battle against Islam and for the preservation of Christian civilization. Such an activity (praying the Rosary) sounds foolish to the modern mind. And yet, that was what was at stake: Christian civilization. They prayed the Rosary. The result was that, despite being outnumbered in ships and in men, the Christian forces prevailed at the battle of Lepanto, and, what is more, were able to release thousands of Christians who had been used as galley slaves in the holds of the Muslim ships.
The essence of this scenario in which once again Christian civilization was saved was repeated at the Battle of Vienna in 1683. The Muslim forces of the Ottoman empire were at the gates of Vienna, the very entrance to Europe, when the great Polish Catholic John Sobieski led Catholic troops against the Muslim forces and decisively defeated them.
The modern world does not believe that God has historically acted in behalf of what is true and what is consonant with His will (in fact, it doesn't even believe in God). But to deny this truth is to fall back on Newton’s God who completed His creation and then got bored with it and so left us on our own, and that He is ultimately not concerned with the presence of truth in the world he created. The modern world does not believe in objective reality, but that reality will have its way regardless of whether anyone believes in it.
And so we once again stand at Lepanto and at the gates of Vienna. But the real enemy of the West--of what was once universally proclaimed as Christendom--is in our day actually the decadent "Christian" West. It is we who are the enemy. It is we who have believed the lie which insists that we can run the world without acknowledging Christ as its Lord.

Blogger Sean October 15, 2015 7:56 AM  

Mark my words..the Russians will be wooing the countries of eastern europe soon.

How ironic will it be in a few decades when Russia positions itself as the protector and defender of Christianity and Western Culture against the godless materialists of the USA and western Europe.

Blogger toadbile October 15, 2015 8:04 AM  

The wall of impaled migrants will not happen
until the progressive elite
can set price controls on sharpened sticks and make their profit.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 October 15, 2015 8:09 AM  

@3:

My personal theory on why Northern Europe is wimping out is that all their good genetic material went to Kievan Rus or England / France when the Vikings went on a 'world tour' (my ancestors), or wiped out in all their wars that persisted until the early 19th century.

@6:

"don't forget the American Occupation of Germany and the suppression of German nationalism by the American overlords."

One of the purposes of NATO is "to keep the Germans down", as the UK diplomat once quipped. Additionally, since Merkel is the first East German president of modern Germany, I'd bet gold that the NSA / US Deep State has a nice long record on her, which would make the perfect blackmail tool.

"And still further is the Holocaustinizing of the Germans into perpetual war guilt. "

I've been to Berlin; there's a Holocaust memorial on every street corner, it seems. It was a horrible thing, but that's nothing compared to the 50 million or so Roe v. Wade killed.

Blogger YIH October 15, 2015 8:18 AM  

Austria: 1 in custody, swastika carved on victim's forehead.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2015 8:37 AM  

So much for the idea of European "union". It's creating more walls than the Soviet invasion of Eastern Europe did.

Not as good as mountain ranges but it's a start.

Ya know back in the day they could build walls like you wouldn't believe. Legend has it that Babylon used to host chariot races on the top of theirs.

Blogger Phillip George October 15, 2015 8:54 AM  

I think we can agree that there isn't a single conservative professing Christian who has 'confidence' in their Western government. They are, by enlarge, abandoned, betrayed, sold.

Now, as Francis Schaeffer put it, "how then should we now live".

Step one. Don't pay a one second's lip service to the fraud that is trying to pass itself as democracy.

Step two. Your local version of the Samson option. Crash or crash through. cheers.

Aurelie Chatelain - killed for not looking Islamic. And the state is feeding her killer. That's both metaphor and fact.

Blogger Phillip George October 15, 2015 9:32 AM  

the Explanation. In every single war of record a non uniformed combatant behind enemy lines is a spy - and can be shot on sight. As a matter of fact it is the rules of engagement on the streets of Jerusalem right now.
The French once lopped off the heads of traitors. This is merely history.

quote:
ISRAEL: Deputy Defense Minister Eli Ben-Dahan, has ordered everyone licenced to carry a gun, should carry them at all time.........

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 9:37 AM  

@1 Phillip George
You know Vox there's a theory that the only way the US can now maintain a hegemon is to make everywhere else look and work worse than they are. That they will black mail coerce or scuttle Europe just to make the greenback look stable.
Eastern Europeans however aren't so teary eyed sentimental about either multi cultic scimitar waving musselmen or empires run from abroad.
Into the mix Vladimir seems very determined to not abandon Slavs a second time around.

I sat in on a lecture Tuesday night from a man who said it is now etched deep in the Russ psychy to protect minorities. It maybe their redemption songs.
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Please define minority in this context. Hope you are not saying he would defend muslims against his own people.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 9:39 AM  

@2 chris
If Merkel expects to resettle the Islamic refugees among other countries in the EU she will have a challenge. Because it is not in their national interest. I expect that the trains will start running the other way as soon as the elite cut the benefits off.

Which will happen.
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If she's like the politicians here in the US, she will do her dirty work, then retire. And never be held accountable for any of it.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 9:55 AM  

@9 toadbile
The wall of impaled migrants will not happen
until the progressive elite can set price controls on sharpened sticks and make their profit.
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Or until there is first a wall of these progressives.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 10:01 AM  

@12 Aeoli Pera

Ya know back in the day they could build walls like you wouldn't believe. Legend has it that Babylon used to host chariot races on the top of theirs.
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That's a good observation. There's a reason a lot of the ancient and middle ages cities were walled. It mostly works.

Blogger Engineer-Poet October 15, 2015 10:20 AM  

"There's a reason a lot of the ancient and middle ages cities were walled. It mostly works."

As long as you aren't facing a siege walls work very nicely, but stopping cannon fire requires earthworks.

Athens' "wooden walls" stopped invasion by sea at least once.  If the Eurocrats had the will they could stop the immivasion from Libya overnight.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 15, 2015 10:38 AM  

Immigration again.

These countries have the choice to refuse entry due to insufficient resources and diminishing returns if they allow newcomers in - What benefit is it to the countries listed above to play open borders? None.

Willful, forced imposing of islam on nations that cannot accommodate, dont care and dont have time for Allah talk.

Are not there other lands to migrate, err, force their way in or occupy?Nevermind, the freebies and a better way of life is so important.

Saw a piece by Paul Craig Roberts; excerpt,"When I read that the report on the downing of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine was being
put in the hands of the Dutch, I knew that there would be no investigation and no attention to the facts...

And there wasn’t.

I did not intend to write about the report, because Washington’s propaganda has already succeeded, at least in the Western world, in its purpose of laying the blame on Russia. However, the misrepresentation of the Dutch report by Western media, such as NPR, is so outrageous as to make the media the story and not the report.

Washington’s story makes no sense whatsoever. Only an idiot could believe it.

What motive did Washington have? Many. The demonization of Russia made it impossible for European governments to resist or abandon the economic sanctions that Washington is using to break economic and political relationships between Europe and Russia...

Don’t expect any acknowledgement of this by the Western media, a collection of people who lie for a living.

The reason that the West has no future is that the West has no media, only propagandists for government and corporate agendas and apologists for their crimes. Every day the bought-and-paid-for-media sustains The Matrix that makes Western peoples politically impotent.

The Western media has no independence. An editor of a major German newspaper has written a book, a best-seller published in Germany, in which he states that not only he himself served the CIA as a reliable purveyor of Washington’s lies, but that every significant journalist in Europe does so also.

Obviously, his book has not been translated and published in America.

NPR, like all of Western media, has lost its integrity. NPR claims to be reader-supported. In fact, it is supported by corporations. Pay attention to the ads: “NPR is supported by xyz corporation working to sell you this or that product or service.”

The George W. Bush regime destroyed NPR by appointing two Republican female ideologues to oversee NPR’s public function. The two Republicans succeeded in making job security, not reporting integrity, the motive of NPR journalists.

As a person who worked with President Reagan to end the Cold War and associated nuclear threat, I am dismayed that the Western media has failed life on earth by resurrecting the prospect of nuclear armageddon."

Repeated for sanity's sake! "The Western media has no independence. An editor of a major German newspaper has written a book, a best-seller published in Germany, in which he states that not only he himself served the CIA as a reliable purveyor of Washington’s lies, but that every significant journalist in Europe does so also.

Obviously, his book has not been translated and published in America."

OpenID Steve October 15, 2015 10:39 AM  

there's a theory that the only way the US can now maintain a hegemon is to make everywhere else look and work worse than they are.

It sounds like the theory that jews are trying to make all of the white nations uninhabitable to force jews to go to Israel.

The wall of impaled migrants will not happen until the progressive elite can set price controls on sharpened sticks and make their profit

You have to take care of those holding the door open before you start to swat the flies

Blogger John Morris October 15, 2015 10:42 AM  

They can build all the walls they like, won't help as long as the migrants still get shipped to Germany. Once they are processed and repapered as official EU Citizens they are free to go where they please and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it short of dissolve the EU. Don't see the small fry having the power to do that in the end so they are hosed. They had one vote, one time; they choose poorly.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell October 15, 2015 10:47 AM  

V4 is what keeps Hungary from jumping into bed with Russia. At this rate though they'll forget their distrust of Russia and side with them instead of siding with the neoliberal world order.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 15, 2015 12:18 PM  

As a Christian, is it wrong that I want Europe to have a Reconquista 2.0 and a full flushing of Progressivism? I don't feel guilty feeling so, but I know many Christians don't share this perspective.

Blogger Kirk Parker October 15, 2015 12:48 PM  

Engineer-Poet @ 19:

Stopping modern artillery fire requires counter-battery capability at least, does it not? Earthen walls mean nothing to a howitzer.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 15, 2015 12:56 PM  

I totally disagree with # 7 comment by Michael O'Duibhir.

Just like God rose up the Assyrians to punish the Israelites for their evil, God has raised up the Muslims to chastise and harass Liberal Europe. The problem is weak men who are liberals. The problem was the atheists, like J. S. Mill who propagated that women are oppressed by men.

Liberalism, the inablity to grasp, obey dictums, to obey strictures. That's the problem. Liberal Christians are killing us. It is about the total inability of the Church to inculcate virtue, i.e. manliness, into the flock. This was not a problem when the majority of the world was agrarian. With industrialization, men are no longer hardened by Nature. This is the problem. The problem is the divorce from Nature, the lack of commonsense that comes with living in nature. Boys are not being hardened into manhood. This is the root cause. Germany puts out too many liberals.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 15, 2015 1:39 PM  

@24 Durandel Almiras
As a Christian, is it wrong that I want Europe to have a Reconquista 2.0 and a full flushing of Progressivism? I don't feel guilty feeling so, but I know many Christians don't share this perspective.
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I don't see how it is wrong.

But it seems to me that the prog flush will have to happen first, or at least remove them from any substantial power to keep interfering with peoples (and nations) abilities to defend themselves.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 15, 2015 4:39 PM  

As a Christian, is it wrong that I want Europe to have a Reconquista 2.0 and a full flushing of Progressivism?

Wrong? In a more Christian age, it was so not wrong that you could get an indulgence for helping to make it happen.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 15, 2015 4:41 PM  

Uncle Vladimir wants to protect the Serbs and other Slavs. Russia was embarrassed by not being able to help the Serbs in the Kosovo War as the U.S.was bombing Belgrade. It won't happen again.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 15, 2015 4:42 PM  

Uncle Vladimir wants to protect the Serbs and other Slavs. Russia was embarrassed by not being able to help the Serbs in the Kosovo War as the U.S.was bombing Belgrade. It won't happen again.

Blogger Phillip George October 15, 2015 6:44 PM  

@15, the context was Syria - which has had a stable minority government for decades at least- largely run along secular lines in which minorities were either protected or only ever mildly discriminated against. Will watch for details but it seems Putin's goals are very much to return to that type of status quo for the region. cheers

Blogger James Dixon October 15, 2015 7:11 PM  

> Once they are processed and repapered as official EU Citizens they are free to go where they please and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it short of dissolve the EU.

There isn't a thing anyone can do about it ... legally. At a certain point people stop caring what the law says. We've already passed that point with relatively benign things such as copyright. How much more quickly will we pass them when an actual invasion is taking place?

Blogger Mindstorm October 15, 2015 7:13 PM  

Russia can shove its 'protection' where the sun doesn't shine. Like in a protection racket, the main issue would be 'protection' of other Slavs from Russians themselves. That was the idea behind Comecon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comecon#International_relations_within_the_Comecon

In a conflict between Catholic Croats and Eastern Orthodox Serbs, is that a surprise that Russia would support Serbs?

Blogger Harold October 15, 2015 9:59 PM  

http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-migrant-shot-dead-trying-enter-bulgaria-ministy-234244183.htm The armed invasion has started.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 15, 2015 11:09 PM  

More of a matter of the ethnic cleansing of Catholics protestants and Orthodox from Muslim Bosnia.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 15, 2015 11:09 PM  

More of a matter of the ethnic cleansing of Catholics protestants and Orthodox from Muslim Bosnia.

Blogger Balázs Varga December 07, 2015 5:59 PM  

Send barbed wire and ammunition to Hungary, we'll need it!

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