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Friday, October 09, 2015

Mailvox: Social Justice Convergence in YA

I've never read his work, but as YL informs us, it appears Rick Riordan is an SJW:
Rick Riordan has written on his blog about The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms, by N.K. Jemisin.

"I picked up this book after reading a thought-provoking article about the author in The Guardian. I really liked what she said about coming to fantasy with no interest in maintaining the status quo. She's right that so many fantasy books are about restoring order to a kingdom, returning a rightful heir to the throne, or getting back to the good old days by defeating some dark power that threatens to unbalance society. Jemisin, as an African American female writer, says this simply doesn't resonate with her or interest her, and why should it? Instead, she writes science fiction which challenges those in power, threatens the ordered society, and questions whether the good old days ever existed. I like books that force me to rethink paradigms, so I decided to check out her work."

Per an Amazon review, his new book, Magnus Chase, features:

"His Valkyrie, Samirah al-Abbas, is a teenage, hijab-wearing muslim girl, who dreams of flying as a Valkyrie and as an airline pilot. She’s also already set up in an arranged marriage, but one that she actually wants, because she loves the guy, and arranged marriages really aren’t as unfeeling and calculated as we might think. Obviously there’s more than a little bit of prejudice she faces. Their two other primary teammates are Blitzen, a dwarf (or dark elf) with dreams of becoming a fashion designer, and Hearthstone, a deaf elf who is one of the only practitioners of rune magic in the nine worlds. These characters are absolutely unique and open the doors to talk about racial prejudices (within humans and among the mortal races) and disabilities."

And the sales will be in millions.

Warm regards; I loved your book SJWs Always Lie.
I've never read Riordan myself, but it's hardly a surprise that a bestselling YA writer should be in tune with the lunatic mainstream zeitgeist. Of course, he'll fall out of harmony with the Narrative soon enough; he's only pushing Islam, fabulousness, and physical disabilities instead of mass migration, pedophilia and the glories of child molestation.

Prediction: Riordan's career will henceforth decline as per the Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence indicates his books will become less entertaining as they become more openly politicized.

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84 Comments:

OpenID anonymos-coward October 09, 2015 5:29 AM  

So, the bullet-point summary of Riordan's message:

* Books about restoring order and good guys winning don't resonate with Jemesin.
* Jemesin writes about 'threatening the ordered society'.
* This is because Jemesin is black.

So, apparently, in 2015, being anti-racist is when the worst stereotypes about blacks having no self-control and no understanding of civilized society are reinforced.

Are these guys serious or am I being quietly trolled?

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 09, 2015 5:39 AM  

Blitzen, a dwarf (or dark elf) with dreams of becoming a fashion designer

Okay is Blitzen a dwarf or a drow. It really shouldn't be that hard to tell even if the character is a screaming bender. Kind of surprised Riordan didn't make Blitzen a hair dresser or an ice skater.

Blogger rcocean October 09, 2015 5:50 AM  

Rick Riordan loves Tennessee Coats new book on Race. He never makes it clear why he loves it, but seems to be Coats tells us white people about "black bodies" and damns white privilege. And its funny how white men are now apologizing for being white men - unlike say Jews who are proudly tell everyone they're Jews.

Blogger Nameless Minion #58710 October 09, 2015 5:50 AM  

I figured out Rick Riordan had SJW views when he made the son of Hades' worst fear, admitting that he was gay. And the characters clued in were supportive, non-judgmental, the whole nine yards.

It was all very ham-fisted and jammed into the story with no real reasoning behind it, a.k.a SJW.

Blogger rcocean October 09, 2015 5:53 AM  

Given that the SJW dominate the publishing world any white male author has 3 choices: Be publicly conservative and pay a big price. Two, say nothing. Three, conform and mouth the standard SJW party line without any enthusiasm. Riorden seems to lean toward 3.

Blogger SciVo October 09, 2015 5:56 AM  

Prediction: Riordan's career will henceforth decline as per the Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence indicates his books will become less entertaining as they become more openly politicized.

You keep pushing it, but it's still too long, too obscure of a reference -- I know, I know, it shouldn't be (but it is) -- and not visceral enough. SJW Anus Hands?

Blogger DadOfTen October 09, 2015 6:00 AM  

I've got the sample downloaded on my Kindle. Let's see how many folks do a book review without even reading the free sample of Jemesin's book. This will be fun.

And a review of Riordan without reading any of his works is fun too. I am impressed. I have read Riordans "Percy Jackson" series and a few others in his other god series books. Great books. Do we trust Riordan is an SJW? Or is he just one of those folks who likes to read new twists on themes. What the heck. Who needs proof. It is just easier to condemn him.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 09, 2015 6:04 AM  

I really liked what she said about coming to fantasy with no interest in maintaining the status quo. [...] Jemisin, as an African American female writer, says this simply doesn't resonate with her or interest her, and why should it?

Because the status quo has been good to her?

The status quo has showered her with Nebula and Hugo awards and attention, because and not despite her sex and race.

Without her black female privilege, she'd be just another very minor fantasy author.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 09, 2015 6:06 AM  

Oh, Rick Riordan, you fuck. I suspected you were a fuckhead the moment I got 80 pages into the Lightning Thief and never looked back, but now that I KNOW you're a fuckhead, I'll stop any lingering thoughts I had that imitating you would be to my benefit considering that your often thought of as the male equivalent of JK Rowling.

Blogger DadOfTen October 09, 2015 6:11 AM  

@4. Nameless Minion #58710
Did you ever read Socrates? Homosexuality was a big deal in that era. Very accepted. It was institutionalized in the military and child raising in Sparta. Yep, a bunch of pedo's. No excuses. It was sick.

So why wouldn't Riordan have homosexuality be a part of the book? Riordan may be an SJW. I don't know. But there are a bunch of authors who want to sell books (what a concept) so they look for themes that are causing tension, angst, and pain in their target audience and work on those themes. I personally don't think it is a good idea to touch on homosexuality and have the other characters beat down or kill their friend who has the problem. Maybe it is just me being silly.

Blogger VD October 09, 2015 6:17 AM  

You keep pushing it, but it's still too long, too obscure of a reference -- I know, I know, it shouldn't be (but it is) -- and not visceral enough

You clearly don't understand the difference between a meme like "SJWs always lie" or "Immigration is rape culture" and an intellectual concept like "the Austrian business cycle" or "Social Justice Convergence". I am not "pushing" the latter. I am utilizing it. I don't expect most people to be able to understand or utilize the concepts.

In other words, you have not grasped the vital difference between rhetoric and dialectic. If your instinctive reaction to an accurate and meaningful description is "it's too long and too hard", stick to rhetoric. "The Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence" would be horrible rhetoric. The point is that it is not rhetoric.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2015 6:19 AM  

> What the heck. Who needs proof. It is just easier to condemn him.

Do you need proof that the big buy with a large knife approaching your from an alley at 2:00 a.m. is after your wallet?

That's the point we've reached. It's safer to assume anyone that shows SJW tendencies is an SJW and let them prove otherwise.

Blogger SciVo October 09, 2015 6:24 AM  

anonymos-coward @1: Are these guys serious or am I being quietly trolled?

They're actually serious. It's weird. SJWs have a theory that you can only be racist if you have power. This theory is itself racist in that it posits that you can only have power if you're white, but the theory exonerates itself by being anti-white, and therefore incapable of being racist. This allows SJWs of all colors to employ all the worst racist stereotypes with impunity, as long as they "punch up" by hating on whitey more.

Progressivism is a sick, twisted, racist, sexist, heterophobic hate movement.

Blogger SciVo October 09, 2015 6:29 AM  

VD @11: "The Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence" would be horrible rhetoric. The point is that it is not rhetoric.

Ah! Now I get it. Sorry, I'm basically you're opposite, as rhetoric is my native tongue and I only got a degree in math because I like a challenge.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 09, 2015 6:30 AM  

@Steve
@Giuseppe

Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 are now up.

Of the two Chapter 4 is more relevant to this post.

Blogger VD October 09, 2015 6:32 AM  

And a review of Riordan without reading any of his works is fun too. I am impressed. I have read Riordans "Percy Jackson" series and a few others in his other god series books. Great books. Do we trust Riordan is an SJW? Or is he just one of those folks who likes to read new twists on themes. What the heck. Who needs proof. It is just easier to condemn him.

You're about 10 years out of date. Also, you're dishonest. This is not "a review of Riordan". It is a reader's observation of his actions in endorsing a race-baiting SJW and his turning to common SJW themes. The fact that someone who is as observably dishonest as you are thinks the books are "great books" is sufficient reason to continue to ignore them.

Anyhow, "bestselling YA author" is like being a "bestselling pop musician". I don't listen to teenybopper music and I have zero interest in reading teenybopper fiction.

Blogger Unknown October 09, 2015 6:36 AM  

A dwarf who wants to be a fashion designer? Unique? Like in Terry Pratchett's Academicals Unseen? Why not make a unique genocidal cursed anemic elf who destroyed his own cruel people and wanders the world having wild brutal adventures looking for a place to belong yet pursued by the burden of a dark destiny? Too unique?

Blogger DadOfTen October 09, 2015 6:40 AM  

@12. James Dixon
Partially agreed. Be prepared to kill the guy with the knife with your hands or your gun Just your body language as a fellow predator will protect you and a gun sends an distinct message, and he may just give you a pass. But don't pre-emptively kill they guy if he is coming out of the alley with a large knife if he is trying to walk on the far side of the sidewalk or out in the street to get around you. Do pre-emptively kill him; if he looks at the knife, smiles, looks at you, and starts moving in close while saying, "I'm going to hang your intestines around your neck."

Wow, did I really have to get that deep into self defense? I'm a little sick myself.

I just don't want to embody the worst of the SJW's myself. You know, jumping to concussions, picking your own nose and then pointing your finger, stuff like that.

Blogger skiballa October 09, 2015 6:47 AM  

@17
Unknown, pretty sure you're not serious, but that particular story wouldn't be all that unique at this point, since I recall having read it already.

Blogger DadOfTen October 09, 2015 6:51 AM  

16. VD
"Dishonest?" "Observably dishonest?" Good use of switching to rhetoric. I would accept wrong. or I misunderstood the post. 10 years out of date? Yeppers.

Yep, with 10 kids I have read a LOT of YA and kids literature. I do try to help my kids read good stuff appropriate to their ages and interests.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 09, 2015 6:56 AM  

Outside of emotionally damaged whites does this kind of SJW writing have any audience? I just don't imagine the glorious people of color clamoring for the rantings of lunatics. I imagine Tor's customer base is as white as David Duke's.

Blogger doug whiddon October 09, 2015 6:57 AM  

@19, @17 is referring to Elric, one of fantasy's most awesome characters ever. @17 should have included "albino" in the description

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 09, 2015 7:00 AM  

"Anyhow, "bestselling YA author" is like being a "bestselling pop musician". I don't listen to teenybopper music and I have zero interest in reading teenybopper fiction."

And yet, you call yourself a disciple of Sun Tzu. Ah well, at least you can be depended upon to be cognizant enough to give DadofTen the verbal beatdown his annoying, fuck-trash ass deserves, even if like Kanye West in that one God-awful, not even remotely funny South Park episode, you can't see that the joke's on you.

Blogger VD October 09, 2015 7:02 AM  

"Dishonest?" "Observably dishonest?" Good use of switching to rhetoric.

I did not switch to rhetoric, I simply met rhetoric with rhetoric, as I advise. Your response was purely rhetorical. Your comment was false from the start. You were NOT impressed by something that was NOT what you claimed it to be.

Also, you're fat. Sorry, no offense, but it's true.

Blogger skiballa October 09, 2015 7:02 AM  

@22

doug, it could apply to Drizzt Do'Urden as well, either way, it's been done.

Blogger VD October 09, 2015 7:04 AM  

And yet, you call yourself a disciple of Sun Tzu

I'm not at war with teenyboppers or those who cater to them, so I feel no pressing need to know them.

Blogger skiballa October 09, 2015 7:11 AM  

@23 & @26

Plus, they're not all that complicated anyway, it certainly wouldn't require reading every YA book or listening to every Justin Bieber song to understand them.

Blogger epobirs October 09, 2015 7:11 AM  

Another offender in the YA realm is Pitticus Lore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorien_Legacies

Sounds like an odd name, doesn't it. Well, this is really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Frey and a legion of ghost writers. That's right, the guy who scammed Oprah with his fake memoir of drug addiction is also behind this awful crapfest being fed to kids. I didn't even get a third of the way through the first book before the BS just got too obnoxious to tolerate unless I was being paid.

Blogger skiballa October 09, 2015 7:14 AM  

Emmanuel, YA is a broad range anyway, VD concerns himself with understanding it insofar as it converges with the SJW agenda, there is the enemy. I can go to my local Christian bookstore and find YA books, so YA specifically is not the enemy.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 09, 2015 7:24 AM  

@26

Ignoring your leering, navel gazing, almost, dare I say, boomer-esque condescension upon the young (often warranted, I will admit, sadly) and media directed at the young, you're wrong.

You actually are at war with that demographic, or at the very least, soon will be. Those of us in the lesser and greater anglo-spheres certainly are or will be. Regardless though, you don't have to be at war with someone to take an interest in what they're doing or how they operate, especially when creators for that demographic have the mass appeal to reach a wider audience than you, tend to reach that audience at impressionable ages so that their diabolical grip never really fades from their minds, and when said people of interest make WAY more money than you or I are ever going to see and have names that could sell dog-shit at a faster rate than Italians lose military campaigns.

Blogger VD October 09, 2015 7:28 AM  

Ignoring your leering, navel gazing, almost, dare I say, boomer-esque condescension upon the young (often warranted, I will admit, sadly) and media directed at the young, you're wrong.

That doesn't even make sense. Leering at one's own navel? Condescending to those one ignores? The fact that I may be at war with a subset of them someday does not mean I'm at war with them now. Moreover, I am sufficiently busy that it would be an egregious error to further divide my focus by devoting time to something about which I do not care.

Blogger Dexter October 09, 2015 7:40 AM  

I figured out Rick Riordan had SJW views when he made the son of Hades' worst fear, admitting that he was gay.

Ugh, I forgot about that crap. When I read the books to my son, I edited out that part. I don't remember anything else especially annoying... I could live with the super-awesome-girl-warrior stuff on the grounds that they were ostensibly demigodesses.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 09, 2015 7:49 AM  

Cataline Sergius - There was a huge burnout factor and not just from literally setting yourself on fire from time to time.

LOL!

Serotonin reuptake inhibitor potions were administered as needed to maintain this glamour.

I resemble that remark! The fun thing about SSRI's is, when you forget to take them, you get a bit... fighty.

This year's newly lauraled grand poet master was a female who was so incredibly obese her belly was actually dragging on the ground. She was reading her magnum opus, “If You Were Land-Orca My Love.”

I love you, you magnificent fucker.

And I love Grod. No homo.

Blogger Daniel October 09, 2015 8:01 AM  

Name an actual demogoddess in mythology who was a kickass warrior.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 09, 2015 8:07 AM  

Nico wasn't afraid of admitting he was *gay*, he was afraid of admitting he was gay *for Percy*.

The guy he's interested in *is straight and has a committed girlfriend who he wishes to marry and have babies with*. That's... an uncomfortable position to be in. Kinda like being interested in a girl, only to find out that she's a committed lesbian. Not fun.

Not wanting to admit an attraction that you *know* will never be returned? Completely understandable.

Now, the fact that he was gay *at all* is a different issue. But once you understand that *someone* was going to be gay in the series, he picked the one whose homosexuality would have the least effect on the story.

I can't speak for his interest in Jemisin's writing, but aside from Riordan's occasional sex-role reversals (female warriors, much more forgivable when we're talking about girls with superpowers, and the really badass roles are still all-male), I haven't noticed much in the way of SJW-ness in his stories. I've certainly enjoyed them.

Blogger DadOfTen October 09, 2015 8:09 AM  

24. VD
My eyes have been opened by the sensei. I really did go into snarky rhetoric immediately on my first post. I hadn't noticed. That doesn't make me dishonest, just brain dead.

Absolutely right. Fat. Luckily my kids got all their good looks from me...my wife still has hers.

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 8:11 AM  

Already happened. My 14 year old son used to be a big fan. He lost interest a couple of years ago, citing exactly the SJWisms as the cause; gay characters, Diversity, Inc. in what is supposed to be a Greek Mythology in the modern world Harry Potter esque fantasy. He dropped the series like a hotcake and never looked back.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2015 8:13 AM  

So why wouldn't Riordan have homosexuality be a part of the book?

Could you please clarify: are there homosexuals in the Percy Jackson books, and positively portrayed? If so, I know some parents who should be notified. Sigh.

And no, the fact that certain types of homosexuality may have been accepted in elite Greek society does NOT mean that must be included in modern stories of the Greek heroes. Sheesh. That's using verisimilitude as an excuse. Something tells me he wouldn't portray women like Helen and Clytemnestra the way the Greeks did.

Maybe it is just me being silly.

Reflexively defending an author against criticism of his politics because you like his books and have given them to your kids? Yeah, that seems just a bit silly.

Checking out the Wikipedia page:

Percy Jackson is a demigod, the son of the mortal Sally Jackson and the Greek god Poseidon. He has ADHD and dyslexia, allegedly because he is hardwired to read Ancient Greek and has inborn "battlefield reflexes". He has been expelled from almost every school he has ever attended.

Ok, so he's a Gamma Mary Sue. I hate him already.

Luckily for him, his girlfriend Annabeth Chase is present and brings him to his senses

Sigh. Of course she does.

Percy is the son of Poseidon; his mother, Sally Jackson, married a man named Gabe Ugliano when Percy was young. Ugliano was abusive towards Percy and Sally, who leaves him in The Lightning Thief.

Of course.

Percy has several animal companions.

I think I see where this is headed.

Seriously, I hope they're not as bad as the WP page makes them sound, because I know a lot of kids like them (who doesn't like a hero who just keeps getting newer, shinier powers?), and parents like the idea of introducing them to a bit of history with hip stories they'll read.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 09, 2015 8:19 AM  

He has ADHD and dyslexia

Aww man.

ADHD didn't exist when I was a boy. (Neither did fat kids, BTW)

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 8:23 AM  

Did you ever read Socrates? Homosexuality was a big deal in that era. Very accepted. It was institutionalized in the military and child raising in Sparta. Yep, a bunch of pedo's. No excuses. It was sick.

Read plenty of Socrates. Also read plenty of other writers from ancient Greece as well, so I know enough to recognize rhetoric and propaganda when I see it. The actual extent to which man-boy sex was practiced in Ancient Greece is certainly debatable.

And so what, anyway? If Riordan made it a central feature of Son of Hades, it wasn't because he was trying to recreate the man-boy mentor-soldier relationship. He approached it with a thoroughly modern, liberal agenda. You just made a category error in conflating the two.

Blogger rrm1 October 09, 2015 8:23 AM  

"Name an actual demogoddess in mythology who was a kickass warrior."

Anat

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 09, 2015 8:34 AM  

@33

(*Cataline bows*)

Thank you, Oh Shinobi of Sarcasm!

It really is appreciated.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2015 8:36 AM  

The actual extent to which man-boy sex was practiced in Ancient Greece is certainly debatable.

I look at it this way: if, 2500 years from now, the only surviving entertainment from 2015 were the top 5 books on the NYT bestseller lists and the Academy Award nominated movies, what would people think our society was like? Would it bear much resemblance to the way normal people live today?

Blogger doug whiddon October 09, 2015 8:50 AM  

@25, Was Driz anemic? i dont recall that, but ive only read 2 of those books.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 09, 2015 8:51 AM  

"Name an actual demogoddess in mythology who was a kickass warrior."

ATALANTA

Which is why she appears in just about every sword and sandal epic that comes around cause they need a female for diversity.

Blogger Zach October 09, 2015 9:04 AM  

@Cail,

I've read the books and enjoyed them, up to about the mid-way of the second series. I winced reading the WP excepts; yeah, I'd hate that guy too. Percy doesn't actually suck that much as a character and manages a creditable hero's journey though the first series. And Riordan is a capable wordsmith.

I stopped reading before the Big SJW Reveal™ but heard about it from my kids. Both of the Riordan fans identified it as their beginning of their end of their fandom; they still liked the stories, but were jarred at how it felt shoehorned in to be politically correct.

So there are two data points. I think Riordan becomes a technically better writer in the second Olympian series compared to the first, but ended up losing my kid's interest due to excessive SJW-preaching. More evidence for the Impossibility.

peace,
Zach

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 09, 2015 9:07 AM  

Wait, a Muslim girl who wants to be an airline pilot? Am I remembering this wrong, or in many Muslim countries, aren't women not even allowed to drive? The level of delusion a person has to be under to embrace and preach multi-culturalism is hilarious.

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 9:11 AM  

Atalanta wasn't a kick-ass warrior. She was a good runner, and a decent hunter. There's one story about her wrestling.

She was a good athlete and a tomboy. Nobody in mythology ever called her a kick-ass warrior.

Heck, even Hippolyta wasn't a kick-ass warrior.

Blogger CM October 09, 2015 9:14 AM  

I watched part of the movie Lightening Thief and have been attempting to slog through one of his books I got for free... 4 years reading one book...

Has anything he's done been as well received as PJ?

I read a lot more YA than Adult fiction because of the crap infesting Adult fic. Outside that, it is Christian bookstore when I can find a decent non-romance author. YA seems to have a higher threshold for the more obscene SJW stuff because of the audience. I also wasn't of the opinion it sold well. Golden Compass, anyone?

I'm hard pressed to say Twilight was... it was typical romance with urban fantasy monsters. Even with the dysfunction of the relationship, the author kept them chaste until marriage and didn't cater to minority representation.

As for the ultimate Best Seller that is HP, all the SJW-ness came out after the books were done. There's nothing in the books that go that way except what makes David & Jonathan gay lovers.

I know YA in general is looked down on with condescension around here and I'm not entirely certain why. Regardless, though, SJWs have a huge gamble in writing to YA the way they do A. While most parents are largely apathetic, there are enough vigilant ones that will sound the alarm that could tank sales. Its harder to ascertain what parents will tolerate exposing their kids to.

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@ CC -
Gamma male main character question - what would you classify Tom Sawyer? Certainly Huck is likely Alpha, but Tom?

I brought up the Belgariad on this subject once and it was said Garion started Gamma and ended Alpha. When I think Alpha high schooler, I think Captain of the football team dating the cheerleaders, but those are the guys that typically peak in high school.

If you are writing a book to teenagers that read books, would writing a character that starts off Alpha be nearly as interesting as the background kids that overcome whatever fear and develop into something better than they were at the beginning?

I'm not saying PJ is a good example, just questioning why "gamma mc" is a criticism that keeps popping up in these YA discussions.

What are some examples of good YA fiction with Alpha MCs?

Blogger skiballa October 09, 2015 9:16 AM  

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Blogger skiballa October 09, 2015 9:19 AM  

@44

Doug, no, but he did have a distinguishing feature from other members of his race, and every other part of the description fits. That said, it describes Elric quite well, and reinforces that the story has been done already.

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 9:20 AM  

Gamma male main character question - what would you classify Tom Sawyer? Certainly Huck is likely Alpha, but Tom?

No way. Tom is totally Alpha, especially in his own book. Huck is a Sigma.

Blogger S1AL October 09, 2015 9:22 AM  

Yeah, Riordan stated trending towards progressive feel-good in his third series. It's a shame, because he's actually an excellent author, very good at presenting his characters from multiple angles. And the books are clean: no sex, minimal swearing. Heck, he even makes a point of presenting the gods as "created beings."

Hope he doesn't just go and ruin that.

Blogger Dr. Brooklyn October 09, 2015 9:30 AM  

Checking out the Wikipedia page:

Percy Jackson is a demigod, the son of the mortal Sally Jackson and the Greek god Poseidon. He has ADHD and dyslexia, allegedly because he is hardwired to read Ancient Greek and has inborn "battlefield reflexes". He has been expelled from almost every school he has ever attended.

Ok, so he's a Gamma Mary Sue. I hate him already.


He's not really a Mary Sue, despite what the description might make you think. He has fairly credible flaws and the story doesn't revolve around him the way it would were he a Mary Sue. Even being a demigod isn't a Sue trait in this case because almost all of the major characters are. And, IIRC, he's dyslexic and has ADHD because Riordan's son has dyslexia and ADHD and he wanted to show his son that people like him could be heroes. Which is, admittedly, something the social justinistas are usually after, but it's not like he just came up with those things out of nowhere.

Blogger horsewithnonick October 09, 2015 9:35 AM  

Elric, is that you?

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier October 09, 2015 9:55 AM  

@26

VD, you should be. They are all being trained to be a new generation of SJWs. Of course the indoctrination doesn't take all the way on all of them, but the a chunk of the SJW value system gets absorbed by most of them it seems.

Think of your children! Don't you want them to get to live in a world free of SJWs?

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 9:57 AM  

He's not really a Mary Sue, despite what the description might make you think. He has fairly credible flaws and the story doesn't revolve around him the way it would were he a Mary Sue. Even being a demigod isn't a Sue trait in this case because almost all of the major characters are. And, IIRC, he's dyslexic and has ADHD because Riordan's son has dyslexia and ADHD and he wanted to show his son that people like him could be heroes. Which is, admittedly, something the social justinistas are usually after, but it's not like he just came up with those things out of nowhere.

And they're credibly done; i.e., they're not so much disabilities as they are markers. And Percy isn't really a gamma, at least in the first couple of books or so (the only ones I read.) Whatserface doesn't straighten him out, really. He's clearly the alpha leader of the group, and she's a sidekick.

She's kind of a bratty, know-it-all sidekick, and therefore not nearly as likable as the author thinks she is, but writing the whole thing off as Percy is an incapable man-boob who needs his girlfriend to save him from himself is unfair and inaccurate.

As an aside, last summer I watched most of the DVRed episodes of The Flash with my two younger boys. The writers there are obviously useless losers with no idea how real human interactions occur, but it was a great opportunity to pause and explain to my kids exactly why 1) Barry Allen was a stupid idiot, who's torch-carrying oneitis and loser stank makes him completely unlikable and unworkable as a supposed protagonist-hero, 2) Eddie's pedestalizing gamma loser stank is nearly as bad as Barry's. 3) Iris was not an attractive or likable woman, and was completely and totally unworthy of the attention of either Barry or Eddy. Great object lesson on how to Next a girl who isn't worth the trouble because of her narcisissism. 4) Why exactly did Joe and Iris switch from being blue-eyed redheads to black, anyway? Because Hollywood wants to rub our nose in affirmative action, diversity, and the joys eliminating white people over the long haul by genetically swamping them.

All in all, it was a great opportunity to inoculate them and have them all set up for instant deprogramming from all kinds of false doctrines that they're going to get throughout their high school years and beyond.

Blogger Dexter October 09, 2015 10:15 AM  

Could you please clarify: are there homosexuals in the Percy Jackson books, and positively portrayed? If so, I know some parents who should be notified.

Yes... but the single homo I can remember is a secondary character and his homo-love remains unrequited.

Name an actual demogoddess in mythology who was a kickass warrior.

Hippolyta.

Daughter of Ares, Queen of the Amazons.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 10:25 AM  

Per an Amazon review, his new book, Magnus Chase, features:

"His Valkyrie, Samirah al-Abbas, is a teenage, hijab-wearing muslim girl, who dreams of flying as a Valkyrie and as an airline pilot. She’s also already set up in an arranged marriage, but one that she actually wants, because she loves the guy, and arranged marriages really aren’t as unfeeling and calculated as we might think. Obviously there’s more than a little bit of prejudice she faces. Their two other primary teammates are Blitzen, a dwarf (or dark elf) with dreams of becoming a fashion designer, and Hearthstone, a deaf elf who is one of the only practitioners of rune magic in the nine worlds. These characters are absolutely unique and open the doors to talk about racial prejudices (within humans and among the mortal races) and disabilities."
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I love how they will say something like this :

"She's right that so many fantasy books are about restoring order to a kingdom, returning a rightful heir to the throne, or getting back to the good old days by defeating some dark power that threatens to unbalance society. "

and yet most of their novels require someone in a soccer mom van to visit the retard ranch and pick from the loser B team of useless coexist characters.

And now we got a Trans-Drow, or is it a Trans-Dwarf? Really, if you remove all this SJW fluff, would this book even be a short story?

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 10:28 AM  

@5 rcocean

Given that the SJW dominate the publishing world any white male author has 3 choices: Be publicly conservative and pay a big price. Two, say nothing. Three, conform and mouth the standard SJW party line without any enthusiasm. Riorden seems to lean toward 3.
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Here's how to decide.

If you have (x) balls, where (x) is:
0= you pick 3
1= you pick 2
2= you pick 1, if you're super busy you might pick 1

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 10:31 AM  

2 should have said "you might pick 2".

SJW is a divide by zero error.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 10:37 AM  

@6 SciVo
Prediction: Riordan's career will henceforth decline as per the Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence indicates his books will become less entertaining as they become more openly politicized.

You keep pushing it, but it's still too long, too obscure of a reference -- I know, I know, it shouldn't be (but it is) -- and not visceral enough. SJW Anus Hands?
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:P I've heard of those from some Indian (dot) friends, when they warn me not to shake any of their hands.

Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence - this will be hard to put into a simpler package because it is a very good descriptor.

In a way they are like termites. They keep feeding and undermining a structure until it collapses.

In their case, they fly against the very face of reality. I don't know how they plan to make reality collapse, but it apparently has already done so in their own minds.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2015 10:38 AM  

I brought up the Belgariad on this subject once and it was said Garion started Gamma and ended Alpha.

That's probably too hard on Garion. He was doing pretty well with Zubrette and the candy-for-kisses trade, after all. A real Gamma would "respect" her too much for that. I'd say Garion was a natural Delta who would have grown up and married a nice farm girl like Zubrette and settled into a productive life like Durnik's, if the Prophecy hadn't said otherwise.

On a meta level, though, he appeals to the Gamma reader, because he's a secret special snowflake who gets dragged into greatness by Destiny without having to take the risk of going for it himself.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 09, 2015 10:49 AM  

I've read the books and enjoyed them, up to about the mid-way of the second series. I winced reading the WP excepts; yeah, I'd hate that guy too.

That page does read like it was written by an SJW-ish fangirl, so I figured it might be overemphasizing certain things. That's why I said I hope it's not that bad. I wouldn't condemn a series or author from one review, and there's something to be said for stories that get kids interested in the classics.

But from what people are saying here, the series is trending SJW, and that's something I think you have to take into account when recommending a series, especially one that's still ongoing. You get them started on it, and then: "Oh, #10 just came out and the blurb says Percy has a romantic encounter with the Minotaur after an errant shot from Cupid. Er...."

It's the same reason I don't recommend Thomas Merton's Seven Storey Mountain. Great book in isolation, but I know what they'll find when they go looking for his others.

OpenID Steve October 09, 2015 10:57 AM  

written on his blog about The Hundred Thousand Looted Liquor Stores, by N.K. Jemisin....She's right that so many fantasy books are about restoring order to a kingdom,

They say write what you know. If you cant make, the only thing you can do to leave a mark is to break, hence graffiti.

"His Valkyrie, Samirah al-Abbas, is a teenage, hijab-wearing muslim girl

The flying nun was more believable than the flying suicide bomber. Flying without wings takes skill, unless she has phoenix rez power

bit of prejudice she faces Here comes the flying suicide haji.
gay tranny dwarf/drow...deaf elf last majik user...These characters are absolutely unique

Did she miss last weeks Modern Family? Has affirmative action + lambda + gamma never been done before? Is elf deaf b/c old?

open the doors to talk about racial prejudices

You would think in a world with elves & dwarves living hundreds of years evolution would be accepted. While blacks in Detriot claimed racism for having a higher infant mortality rate with free access to 1st world hospitals, than whites during the bubonic plague before doctors started washing their hands before deliveries, one can not argue that its STR8 White Christian Mens' fault, that elves live 10x longer than blacks.Or that its SWCM fault that tranny drow/dwarves can see blacks stealing in the dark.

women not even allowed to drive? The level of delusion a person has to be under to embrace and preach multi-culturalism is hilarious

gaypatriot has recently picked up a moslem defending, anti gun troll that says we should "not see" non-Asian minority attacks on gays, who even got mad about posting how the one French Jihad Train Stopper got stabbed by 4 vibrants outside a bar. Anderson Cooper is pro moslem for the bacha bazi.
-bgs

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 11:00 AM  

@44 doug whiddon
@25, Was Driz anemic? i dont recall that, but ive only read 2 of those books.
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No way, he's a normal Drow as far as looks are concerned.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 11:02 AM  

@47 Zaklog the Great
Wait, a Muslim girl who wants to be an airline pilot?
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They left out where she dreams of flying it into infidel buildings.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 11:08 AM  

@55 horsewithnonick
Elric, is that you?

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Black Blade

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 09, 2015 11:09 AM  

You win. This will not be surpassed. I bow before my superior.

Blogger Anthony October 09, 2015 11:10 AM  

@47 - What I'd like to see would be YA fic where the Muslim girl wants to do something that's just Not Done in her native land, but her parents move to America, and she discovers that She Can Do It, because she's in America now.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 09, 2015 11:16 AM  

Great. Pro-immigration propaganda fiction.

Blogger VD October 09, 2015 11:20 AM  

What I'd like to see would be YA fic where the Muslim girl wants to do something that's just Not Done in her native land, but her parents move to America, and she discovers that She Can Do It, because she's in America now.

After which she is drowned by her parents in their swimming pool, who escape back to their home country before they can be arrested for the honor killing.

Blogger Quadko October 09, 2015 11:33 AM  

(1)restoring order to a kingdom, ... (2) getting back to the good old days by defeating some dark power ... instead she (3)challenges those in power, (4)threaten the ordered society

I'm having trouble seeing the difference between these - rebelling against some dark power (2) isn't (3) & (4)? Effectively challenging those in power to effect change (3) isn't (1) restoring [your] order to the land from the (ordered or chaotic) grip of someone you think is wrong?

I get that it's "not writing Tolkien and based in the Kalevala and Christian concepts of rebelling against the god of this dark Age", but it doesn't really sound different than Conan, Deathdealer, and Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser carving ego journeys through pagan lands.

If only the stories were actually that good! Ah well, authors who don't understand that neither nature nor strangers care for your feelings, and only what gets accomplished (through skill, luck, partnership, or divine intervention) matters end up writing stories about the world soothing their feelings, no surprise.

OpenID Jack Amok October 09, 2015 11:40 AM  

From Wikipedia: "Riordan was working as an English and social studies teacher in San Francisco when he conceived the idea for the Percy Jackson series..."

Is it any surprise an English and Social Studies teacher in Frisco turns out to be an SJW?

OpenID Steve October 09, 2015 11:49 AM  

@12 Do you need proof that the big buy with a large knife approaching your from an alley at 2:00 a.m. is after your wallet?

Obviously when someone clutches their pearls like that, its most likely the guy with a knife is after their necklace.

being anti-racist is when the worst stereotypes about blacks having no self-control and no understanding of civilized society are reinforced

It has come full circle but nursing books now claim everything the KKK said about blacks is part of culture. Showing up late, bad at math, "future orientation", parenting skills, scratching your nuts in public are all culture/majik dirt.

Kind of surprised Riordan didn't make Blitzen a hair dresser or an ice skaterIt's fantasy he should be able to dress hair while ice skating

but seems to be Coats tells us white people about "black bodies" and damns white privilege

If he realizes the deck of cards blacks got dealt for DNA to outbreed disease with sickle cell being a positive(lets them survive malaria without YT's meds), & kidneys evolving to reuptake salt, why would he talk about white privilege?

@13This theory is itself racist in that it posits that you can only have power if you're white, but..exonerates itself by being anti-white
Its called Critical Race Theory, it also says that white women cant be raped by blacks because WW have power.

@21 I just don't imagine the glorious people of color clamoring for the rantings of lunatics

Even I have found myself surprised at non Asian minorities lack of ability to read.

VD I'm not at war with teenyboppers or those who cater to them, so I feel no pressing need to know them

You should care about what the next generation is brainwashed to think, if for nothing else that they understand water doesn't fall up.

Percy has several animal companions. Little ponies by chance?

Why exactly did Joe and Iris switch from being blue-eyed redheads to black, anyway?

Even blacks don't want to date blacks.-BGS

Blogger Carl Philipp October 09, 2015 12:16 PM  

@72 "After which she is drowned by her parents in their swimming pool, who escape back to their home country before they can be arrested for the honor killing."

Well, unless they succeed in getting Sharia permitted in Western nations. In which case there would be no need to flee, as the honor killing would be as legal as the local muslim elders sentencing her to be gangraped first.

Blogger J Van Stry October 09, 2015 12:49 PM  

Kids are a lot less likely to tolerate BS. I suspect this book isn't going to do as well as they might think.

OpenID malcolmthecynic October 09, 2015 1:08 PM  

The writing was on the wall when a character was revealed to be gay in his "Heroes of Olympus" book "House of Hades" (a pretty good book in and of itself, by the way). So I'm not at all surprised.

Blogger Gaiseric October 09, 2015 1:10 PM  

@76: You don't even need sharia law to be officially implemented. Muslims have been dodging justice in America for years. Here's a famous story from my neck of the woods from nearly ten years ago.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1956/la-shish-owner-indicted-does-your-fave-mid-east-restaurant-fund-terror/

OpenID malcolmthecynic October 09, 2015 2:54 PM  

Anyway, I loved both his Percy Jackson and Heroes of Olympus series, so this is definitely a disappointment, just as it was a disappointment for me to learn that Horowitz, the author of the brilliant Alex Rider series (and a couple of decent Sherlock Holmes pastiches), SJW-ized James Bond. 'Tis a shame.

Blogger Yvonne Lorenzo October 09, 2015 6:35 PM  

Riordan also had this to say about The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms, by N.K. Jemisin:

"You know me. I can't resist a good book with gods knocking around, causing chaos among mortals. I loved the mythology Jemisin created, and how she turned the bright shiny castle with the glorious white king and the heavenly patron god into just about the most horrible place you can image."

I think Vox is correct; his earlier writing placed the agenda in the background, it was better hidden, i.e. the Televangelist who died in a flaming car crash after trying to escape arrest and who "[after raising] millions of dollars for orphanages and then got caught spending the money on stuff for his mansion, like gold plaited toilet seats" is subject to eternal torture by Hades.

The centaur Chiron, the Dumbledore-like mentor of Camp Half-blood for demigods, answers earlier in the book in response to Percy's question, "Wait. You're telling me there's such a thing as God?"

"God -- capital G, God. That's a different matter altogether. We shan't deal with the metaphysical."

For impressionable young people who don't have a strong background or deep-rooted faith, such writing is problematic. What is implicit is that "God" is a metaphysical entity; Hades has judgment over man. This interchange and that one scene are a small, almost imperceptible part of the first novel, The Lightning Thief, but I think they form the core. Still, it was a page turner and entertaining if you didn't notice these deceptions.

C.S. Lewis he's not!

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 1:27 AM  

The reason The Lightning Thief (Percy Jackson series #1) and the Kane Chronicles are so popular (and so beloved by older kids and younger teens) is that they hit the sweet spot of action adventure, likeable characters and humor. The humor is, by the way key: nobody like being beaten over the head and shoulders with The Moral and kids positively loathe it.

Chapter titles like: "I accidentally vaporize my pre-algebra teacher" and "Three old ladies knit the socks of death" and "I become King of the Bathroom" explain why this series is catnip to young readers. And good fun for most adults who still enjoy well-written children's fiction. #35 is spot on.

Series No. 2 dispensed with the hilarious chapter titles and quite a bit of the humor, in trade for a longer, more challenging plot and more action adventure. Okay, but...

Given that the SJW dominate the publishing world any white male author has 3 choices: Be publicly conservative and pay a big price. Two, say nothing. Three, conform and mouth the standard SJW party line without any enthusiasm. Riorden seems to lean toward 3.

In hindsight, we now have some indication that Mr. Riordan is pulling a Scalzi, selling his writerly soul for approval by the Kewl Kids(TM) of trad.pub. There's no way an honest writer can "fall in love" with NK Jemsins' stuff: even my friend who's a regular WisCon attendee admits that plot-wise its a hot mess.

What a damned shame. I was so looking forward to Riordan's take on my favorite mythology. I've informed the yard-ape we won't be getting his latest.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 10, 2015 1:29 AM  

Oh... nearly forgot: #49 wants alpha / non-SJW YA fiction.

You rang?

Try these: http://www.andrewklavan.com/books/young-adult-books/

The Homelanders series is especially good value.

Blogger Dr. Brooklyn October 10, 2015 9:03 AM  

I just want to say, with regard to the dark elf/dwarf thing, that I assume the companion of the main character is a svartalf. Svartalf can mean either of those things.

As for the Percy Jackson series, I don't recall any of the groan-inducing liberal nonsense of the current series' description, but the writing on the wall wasn't Hades' son coming out as gay (which was not at all foreshadowed, by the way. He was clearly in love with Annabeth in the original series), the writing on the wall was when the new hero team (besides Percy and Annabeth) consisted of one white guy, a native girl, a Mexican guy, a black girl (who for bonus points may have also been a gypsy), and a Chinese-Canadian.

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