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Sunday, October 25, 2015

Mike Cernovich explains social media

If I learned one thing from having dinner with Mike in Barcelona, it is that he really knows what he's talking about with regards to social media. I am absolutely convinced that if he was an attractive, thirty-something blonde woman, he would already have his own show on Fox.

Here is his response to people requesting links from him:
Book reviews by me have led to sales of:

    500 copies of Get Serious
    250 copies of Launch by Jeff Walker
    500 copies of Choose Yourself
    100 copies of SJWs Always Lie
    50 copies of How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big

The average book sells 250 in its first year. A review from me can sell that many by itself.

Those reviews also sell books forever, as many people find them after Googling, “[book title] review.”

Those are direct sales. Once you factor in word out mouth from your recommendations to your friends, the numbers are much higher.

I’ve sold more pre-sale copies of Essays on Embracing Masculinity in a few days than most authors will ever sell.

That’s not bragging. That’s simply reality.

Be honest. You want links from me because you want money for yourself. You want my links because you want money in your pocket or fame, or whatever.

That doesn’t make you a bad person. Be honest about your motivations when asking me for something. You’re not fooling me.
One reason that Mike, Milo, Roosh and I get along so well in spite of our many obvious differences is that we understand and respect what the others have accomplished in gradually building their platforms. I respect Mike's mastery of social media, Milo's incendiary star quality, and Roosh's dogged courage. But above all, each of us comprehends the importance of being straightforward with the others and presenting a consistent allied front in the face of attacks from enemies and moderates alike.

As Mike notes, most people are short-sighted and self-serving. Such people can never be regarded as allies, not even if they share your beliefs and objectives, because they will turn on you the moment they believe, rightly or wrongly, it is in their immediate interest to do so. There are plenty of people who are regarded as "good" or "nice" who I do not trust at all and with whom I would never ally simply because I have seen them turn on someone for inconsequential reasons.

So, to expand on what Mike is saying a bit, if you want links and if you want assistance from more influential people in social media, you have to demonstrate your credibility and why you merit any such assistence and attention. First, show that you're useful. Second, and perhaps more importantly, show that you're loyal to your existing friends and allies; if you can't demonstrate that, then how is anyone supposed to believe that you will behave any differently with them once they've given you what you want?

Translation: if you not only haven't reviewed Mike's book, but can't point to your reviews of anyone else's books either, why should he review yours? I haven't been stabbed in the back as often as Mike has, but I have certainly been disappointed to see an individual show his true colors on more than one occasion. Then again, I am more pessimistic about human nature than Mike, so perhaps that is why I am less often surprised to the downside.

Regardless, as Mike says, "You must show you are a man of integrity and loyal."

Anyone with even a modicum of social media influence is already under a constant barrage of requests, demands, and "hey, I just thought you might be interested" from more directions than you can probably imagine. I've lost track of how many new social media platforms alone contact me several times a week, to say nothing of the online advertisers and authors who want me to review their books when I am already behind on Castalia submissions.

Neither Mike nor I are complaining; we are big boys and this comes with the territory. But perhaps it is useful to put these realities into perspective if you're wondering why you don't have similar alliances.

In any event, I know I am very, very fortunate to have such a battle-hardened, enthusiastic, and loyal group of readers, regulars, tifosi, or however you might prefer to label yourself. A few social media stars have emailed me to express their amazement and awe about the Dread Ilk, and ask me how they can similarly energize their followings. I don't know if my answer, "be very, very evil and show neither mercy nor remorse to the contemptible foe" was particularly helpful or not, but we Supreme Dark Lords are nothing if not obliging.

Also, I would be remiss if I failed to note that the VFM are now 450-strong. And if you hear nothing but silence for months, fear not. Your summons will come in time.

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Blogger Student in Blue October 25, 2015 9:13 AM  

A few social media stars have emailed me to express their amazement and awe about the Dread Ilk, and ask me how they can similarly energize their followings.

Be strong and consistent. To have followers, one must have the qualities of a leader. To have energized followers, one must have an opposition to fight against. And by simply being strong and consistent, you'll have someone wanting to tear you down.

Blogger Salt October 25, 2015 9:18 AM  

Your summons will come in time.

So glad they're not delivered by the Sheriff.

Blogger Civis Silas October 25, 2015 9:27 AM  

"be very, very evil and show neither mercy nor remorse to the foe"

In other words, accept the challenge that our supposed champions shied away from. It's like people follow and respect courage. Amazing, isn't it?

Blogger Daniel October 25, 2015 10:11 AM  

If you want a Dread Ilk of your very own, simply be John Cusack to the Ilk's Ione Skye. Instead of a boombox, point a gun.

Kickboxing: sport of the future.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 25, 2015 10:19 AM  

I need to learn how to make one of those memes. I can invision one with VD on his throne, and then maybe a bloody stripe over his lip. With the caption, "GOT ILK?".

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan October 25, 2015 10:35 AM  

Well put. There is some rhetoric I find strategically unsound, same as one might find a general's order unsound from time to time, and if so, I will say so, but that will not prevent me from carrying on shooting only in the direction of the enemy.

Blogger VD October 25, 2015 10:47 AM  

There is some rhetoric I find strategically unsound, same as one might find a general's order unsound from time to time, and if so, I will say so

You might be surprised at how often we criticize or critique each other. But you'll never hear it. That's the thing so few people understand; all direct criticism should take place out of sight of the enemy, and especially of the moderates. Both groups are always scanning for wedge issues and opportunities.

Blogger Arborist (#0232) October 25, 2015 10:49 AM  

I read and support because you are correct in your views and beliefs about all the most important stuff, and this group is by and large smart and insightful (not to mention always entertaining). Fight on.

Blogger Jack Ward October 25, 2015 10:49 AM  

So, tifosi, something else to have to look up. Darn it all. Oh well, a forced education coming to this blog.

Blogger Dave October 25, 2015 10:53 AM  

A few social media stars have emailed me to express their amazement and awe about the Dread Ilk, and ask me how they can similarly energize their followings.

I don't know if anyone can really explain how or why a following develops to the level it has here. I read the CH blog and find some excellent content on there; some of it recently referenced by JCW. But a large number of CH posts never receive more a few comments and that's with a built-in audience of hundreds of VFM/ILK. It's really a shame too as the quality of posts there are very high; but it does illustrates how damn challenging it is to develop any kind of following.

Perhaps it is just a matter of the planets aligning for a brief period so make the most of it while you can.

Blogger J Van Stry October 25, 2015 10:57 AM  

I review other people's works all the time, because as a smalltime indy author I know how important reviews are. Yes, I reviewed SJW's Always Lie, but I don't expect to get a review back from you for it, for the very reasons you mentioned above: I'm sure you just don't have the time to read and review stuff from a small time author like myself. There are thousands of us, how would you ever even pick one?

Same for Mike, I have a couple of his things on my reading list and I'll get to them eventually, but I'd never think to ask him for a review, because again, I figure he's swamped with work and doesn't know me from Adam. So why should I waste his time?

It's that old conundrum: If everyone bothers the person who writes the work they enjoy for some of their time, they won't have the time to write the work that you enjoy. Now maybe if I was bigger and more famous I'd ask for a review, but then I wouldn't need it, right? But these are the problems we all face with self-promotion, and yes, some deal with it better than others and I've still got lots to learn.

So while it would be great to get reviews from important and popular people, do you really want to be the person bugging them to try and get a piece of their valuable time? I don't think I want them to know me that way, so I think I'll just pass on that.

Blogger Ben Cohen October 25, 2015 11:03 AM  

Better yet, ask for nothing and you shall receive. In the Bible, after Abraham defeated the 5 kings he accepted nothing from the King of Sodom so that the world knew it was God that made Abraham successful, not a mortal man.

It's a rule: look to help others. The ones who reciprocate are friends and the ones who don't aren't. Wisdom from Sonny from A Bronx Tale

Blogger Nate October 25, 2015 11:24 AM  

"A few social media stars have emailed me to express their amazement and awe about the Dread Ilk, and ask me how they can similarly energize their followings. "

These folks haven't been doing it as long as you have. We are able to do what we are able to do because we are a community of like people with like goals. Oddly enough we're something akin to the Chan world.

You can't build something like the Dread Ilk in a year. We've been at this for 15 years or so. We have tons of lor and history and culture. You can't get this kind of result without putting in the time.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 25, 2015 11:38 AM  

It is the exact same issue of the Christian churches and nations; those who crave popularity and try to pander to the whims of the crowd, lose supporters and legitimacy.

Those who stand on principle, grow.

There is no mystery or magic to it. The Dark Lord may be too polite [snort] to say so, but the very question shows the asker is not principled, not to be relied upon.

Blogger DJ | AMDG October 25, 2015 11:39 AM  

Like

Blogger bob k. mando October 25, 2015 11:45 AM  

9. Jack Ward October 25, 2015 10:49 AM
So, tifosi, something else to have to look up.



see, now all you're telling us is that you don't have the money to afford a Ferrari. iow, not displaying high SMV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tifosi#Formula_One

Blogger VD October 25, 2015 11:48 AM  

You can't build something like the Dread Ilk in a year. We've been at this for 15 years or so. We have tons of lore and history and culture. You can't get this kind of result without putting in the time.

The other thing I think they miss is the concept of mutual loyalty. Too many "leaders" have no loyalty to their followers. For example, Scalzi actively pisses on his fans who believe anything of which he disapproves. Unsurprisingly, many of them become "former fans". Obviously, I can't help everyone out or be everyone's best pal, but I can consistently look for opportunities to help a reader here and there or to give them a shot before anyone else.

Blogger Dr. J October 25, 2015 11:53 AM  

if you not only haven't reviewed Mike's book, but can't point to your reviews of anyone else's books either, why should he review yours?

You know, that's a good point. Just posted a review of SJWAL and will do the same for Wright, Moeller, and any other authors on the right side of the fight. Thanks for the kick in the rear. It's time we on the right and alt-right circle the wagons and build support for the cause in any way possible.

I would second the behind-closed-doors critism within the group, and solid wall of support in public. It's something the moderates will never understand.

Blogger bob k. mando October 25, 2015 11:55 AM  

17. VD October 25, 2015 11:48 AM
The other thing I think they miss is the concept of mutual loyalty.



a-yup.

that's one of the things i've noticed about the sociopath / narcissists. they're hard over into the "grovel before those higher status, shit on those who are lower status" behavior patterns.

well, if you're busy shitting on those who are lower than you on the ladder ... you aren't going to be helping many of those people, now are you?

and if one of them leap frogs you ... NOW what are you going to do?

Blogger The Other Robot October 25, 2015 12:01 PM  

Hooligans against Salafists in Germany ...

Blogger Geir Balderson October 25, 2015 12:14 PM  

"...I am very, very fortunate to have such a battle-hardened, enthusiastic, and loyal group of readers, regulars, tifosi, or however you might prefer to label yourself."

I have never been much of a follower so not sure how much of an 'Ilk' I am. But, I find Vox Day a refreshing lucid blogger in a crazy-ass World. The SJWs have earned my own wrath and I can live much freer with out them. I hate what they have done to science fiction and will do alll i can to bring them down and out in the gutters where they belong.

Blogger Gordon October 25, 2015 12:18 PM  

@17: ...Scalzi actively pisses on his fans who believe anything of which he disapproves. Unsurprisingly, many of them become "former fans".

I am one of those former fans. I bought most of what he wrote, and enjoyed it well enough. Scalzi, though, is a lot like the Dixie Chicks. GWB invited them to perform at his gubernatorial inauguration back when no one had heard of them.

When Natalie Maines repaid that kindness by insulting him from the stage in a foreign country, the others cringed and initially were contrite. Then they decided to be victims, playing the poor-poor-pitiful-me card. The national media were eager to help, but local radio stations responded by deleting them from the rotation.

Once it had quieted a bit, one of them told an interviewer that the band was actually happy about the results, because they didn't really like country music fans anyway, and were much happier hanging out in LA with the beautiful people. Of course, the beautiful people stopped taking the Chicks' calls fairly quickly, because there's no point in having Texas hicks at your events if they're not a hot topic. And now, who remembers the Dixie Chicks?

Scalzi displays a similar ability to alienate people with money who would otherwise be willing customers. But hey, he's popular with the social maladroits who save up their nickles, dimes, and EBT benefits to attend cons.

Blogger VD October 25, 2015 12:26 PM  

Just posted a review of SJWAL and will do the same for Wright, Moeller, and any other authors on the right side of the fight. Thanks for the kick in the rear. It's time we on the right and alt-right circle the wagons and build support for the cause in any way possible.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Reviews on Amazon are more important than most readers realize. If you want to support your favorite authors beyond buying and reading their books, post a review, even a short one. Or even just vote a pair of good, well-written reviews helpful. I try to do that once a day. It takes very little time and it adds up over time.

Obviously, I don't review any CH books or my own books.

Blogger Carl Philipp October 25, 2015 1:31 PM  

@23 Noted. I have read many good and extremely satisfying ally-written books but never seriously put much effort into articulating why others should read them. Probably couldn't hurt my writing skills, today nothing of exercising critical thought.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan October 25, 2015 2:33 PM  

all direct criticism should take place out of sight of the enemy

A fair point, though not everyone has (or should have) the ear of the General, so it may be a good idea to have some overall idea of the General's plan. I think 450 VFM indicates you have done this well enough.

Your rhetoric is generally good. Even when I first thought you were just a dumb racist religious zealot I could see that the way you phrased things was always designed to get a rise out of people. And it forced people to face issues they would otherwise just ignore.

A little time-investment is required to see this more clearly given the huge doses of brainwashing we're all subjected to, so it's inevitable some (many) will fall "the way of the moderate", but...there has to be a hard line behind which some rhetoric is just counterproductive. Obviously where that line is, is arguable. So that's one issue, the pure practicality of it. Objective facts tend to indicate you're probably ahead of me on this point.

The other issue is one I would firmly describe as purely Christian (or at least theological) and depends on our specific interpretation of God.

I think our difference in this is really quite tiny, but even a small difference has resonances. You did address this in an older post about if you would obey a command from God to kill innocents. I truly can't say who is right on this, but I know where my own stance on that is today, and I will hold that line. It would be a very interesting conversation to discuss the why of this in detail someday. I suspect (surprisingly to me actually) that on this point I might be ahead.
Well, who knows, maybe over that wine bottle I owe you one day.


Blogger bob k. mando October 25, 2015 2:54 PM  

25. Giuseppe The Kurgan October 25, 2015 2:33 PM
obey a command from God to kill innocents.



there is none righteous, no, not one.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A9-16&version=KJV

the question then, hinges on how you 'know' that God is instructing you to do this.

OpenID mindfuldisciple October 25, 2015 2:59 PM  

As Mike notes, most people are short-sighted and self-serving. Such people can never be regarded as allies, not even if they share your beliefs and objectives, because they will turn on you the moment they believe, rightly or wrongly, it is in their immediate interest to do so. There are plenty of people who are regarded as "good" or "nice" who I do not trust at all and with whom I would never ally simply because I have seen them turn on someone for inconsequential reasons.

This is precisely why I am an ex-pastor. It came to the point that I could no longer deal with the people who abandoned Jesus when His expressed will became inconvenient to them. Abandoned Jesus, let us be clear, yet remained in the church.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) October 25, 2015 3:13 PM  

@bob k. mando

The other thing I think they miss is the concept of mutual loyalty.


a-yup.

that's one of the things I've noticed about the sociopath / narcissists. they're hard over into the "grovel before those higher status, shit on those who are lower status" behavior patterns.



Narcissists and other "cluster-B" types don't have enough core personality to stand up for those they lead or to gracefully admit they were wrong. They're emotional black holes sucking in energy and attention, and in the worst cases, empty beyond mere clinginess. There's no principle to stand on.

Sociopaths - it depends. How invested are they in getting along with other people? The percentage of them that exists is higher than many expect, but not all get their kicks out of hurting people, and some even get their kicks out of being the good guy.

Blogger MendoScot October 25, 2015 3:27 PM  

You can't build something like the Dread Ilk in a year. We've been at this for 15 years or so. We have tons of lor and history and culture. You can't get this kind of result without putting in the time.

Heh. Neither does such a group coalesce around any star. Vox’s refusal to play the game was a saltlick to many for whom isolation was a natural state.

Blogger Groot October 25, 2015 3:57 PM  

@12. Ben Cohen:

Accept nothing from the King of Sodom, and beware of Greeks. Although, BGS can heed his own sources of advice.

Blogger Russell Newquist October 25, 2015 4:31 PM  

First, show that you're useful. Second, and perhaps more importantly, show that you're loyal to your existing friends and allies;

So, along those lines...

I was in our (Catholic, which is relevant to Mr. Wright's works) church library today and overheard (and then joined) a conversation between the librarian and another parishioner. They are desperate for good Christian fiction. I recommended "The Book of Feasts and Seasons" wholeheartedly. Then I came home and looked it up on Amazon, intending to donate a copy... only to find what I was afraid of. E-book only.

Is there any way at all of getting a dead tree version? I'm willing to commit to buying at least 3 to 5 copies just to donate to local church libraries and the public library. More than just fulfilling a need, I think there's a BIG marketing opportunity to be had by getting some of these kinds of books in church libraries. Their fiction shelf was very big... and about 90% empty. But there's a big demand for it.

Blogger Russell Newquist October 25, 2015 4:32 PM  

Addendum: I'm willing to commit to that even if I have to pay a higher-than-typical price to let y'all make a profit from print-on-demand (ie, a $12-$15 paperback).

Blogger Salt October 25, 2015 4:51 PM  

@31

eBooks for Libraries

Blogger Russell Newquist October 25, 2015 4:59 PM  

@33

Won't help for the church library. They only do dead tree.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 25, 2015 5:10 PM  

Skill, documentation, objectivity and patience with people like the dude in a dress. It takes time to address and clarify issues, the book still sold out at amazon, SJW Always Lie took a little time and support.

What a great success and how the opposition complained.

Just as great is Mike Cernovich, another person to read.

However much is required and what great motivation and leadership is present not among SJW's but among the stand out authors at CH, the professionals dedication...

Its an inspiration to review and observe in 2015 the courage of others whether in their faith or how they solve problems.

I promote lots of understanding and care with critics. I care and smile to help them along. Poor dears.

Blogger David The Good October 25, 2015 5:45 PM  

The best sales I've had have come from people like Mike. Lew Rockwell and InstaPundit helped make the launch of Compost Everything a success. I also sent copies to at least 25 influential people I admired along with handwritten notes of "thanks" for the work they'd done. Because of that, two more big channels opened... yet even if they hadn't, I would want those people who I admired to have the book as a "thanks." There's no loss in that.
VD plugged a couple of my projects even before I was an author with Castalia House. His character and generosity have blessed me... and I do what I can to review CH authors and plug them in my own admittedly less-public way.

Blogger Thordaddy October 25, 2015 6:02 PM  

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Blogger Nate October 25, 2015 6:36 PM  

Thordaddy... shut up.

Blogger Markku October 25, 2015 6:45 PM  

There will not be a hardcopy of Feasts & Seasons. It's too big an investment of our time, especially since we don't have a print-quality version of the cover image.

There will possibly be a large omnibus edition containing several John C. Wright short story books.

Blogger Russell Newquist October 25, 2015 7:23 PM  

@39

Thanks for the info. I totally understand - but also know that if anything ever changes, my commitment to buy and donate several copies remains open indefinitely.

Blogger automatthew October 25, 2015 7:26 PM  

Thordaddy, you're not allowed to use the S Word.

Blogger Josh October 25, 2015 7:44 PM  

If you use a word that you know will get your comment banned, does that make you a self annihilationist, at least in the context of this blog?

Blogger automatthew October 25, 2015 8:11 PM  

[snicker]

Blogger Thordaddy October 25, 2015 8:17 PM  

There is no such thing as loyalty without first a staunch belief in Perfection as operative paradigm... Anything less is mere minionism.

Blogger Josh October 25, 2015 8:18 PM  

Can you translate from retard to English?

Blogger Thordaddy October 25, 2015 8:23 PM  

You aren't "loyal" just because you call yourself a vile minion.

Blogger Nate October 25, 2015 8:27 PM  

"You aren't "loyal" just because you call yourself a vile minion.'

You're still jabbering like an idiot. Your philosophy is idiotic. In fact... the base assumptions are the exact same as the liberal progressives.

Now peddle your authentic frontier gibberish elsewhere. None of us care.

Blogger Thordaddy October 25, 2015 8:30 PM  

Nathan... Deep down inside you yearn for Universal Equality. That's vile, minion.

Blogger Nate October 25, 2015 8:37 PM  

"Nathan... Deep down inside you yearn for Universal Equality. That's vile, minion."

Keep projecting. Deep Down... you're just another flavor of authoritarian progressive. Useless as tits on a boar hog.

Blogger maniacprovost October 25, 2015 9:06 PM  

So, we need another 800 or so to form an evil Legion?

Blogger Carl Philipp October 25, 2015 9:11 PM  

@39 Do you mean a hardcopy omnibus?
Oh, PLEASE.

Blogger Markku October 25, 2015 9:14 PM  

@39 Do you mean a hardcopy omnibus?

Yes. There has been no active talk of that, but it's the obvious thing to do whenever we have, say, 300-400 pages' worth of JCW short stories not currently in any other hardcopy.

Blogger Nate October 25, 2015 9:35 PM  

Markku... I still want my limited edition copy of A Man Disrupted with a spacebunny lipstick kiss on the inside cover.

Blogger automatthew October 25, 2015 9:39 PM  

I still want my hat.

Blogger maniacprovost October 25, 2015 9:59 PM  

If I visit Italy, can I get a personalized insult signed in Sea of Skulls? When will the first Somewhither Trilogy appear in hardback? And most impotently, it's about time to lay the groundwork for 2016 by publishing quality short fiction in the "popular" magazines. That's not a question.

Blogger automatthew October 25, 2015 10:13 PM  

And most impotently, it's about time to lay the groundwork for 2016 by publishing quality short fiction in the "popular" magazines. That's not a question.

I don't know enough to know why Sci-Phi Journal doesn't offer subscriptions, but I do know that I would pay for one.

Blogger maniacprovost October 25, 2015 11:24 PM  

I was pleasantly surprised by how good Sci-Phi is.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 26, 2015 9:11 AM  

No one here appreciated or forgot how Vox was attacked and insulted by those whom still are not too successful and rather inept or mostly stagnant. Critics are jealous of Vox and his work.

Meanwhile our host doesn't care but offers answers and reality checks to help critics. Recall the post comparing and contrasting the dialectical from the rhetorical.

We've seen sjws, the dude in a dress and others remain unable to engage or maintain a little decorum in debate. Then again whats the current count of no one will debate our reasonable and objective host?

With clarity our host documents and posts his findings with screenshots of tweets and other strange pictures for the sake of understanding via analysis of strangeness.

Blogger CarpeOro October 26, 2015 11:42 AM  

"I have never been much of a follower so not sure how much of an 'Ilk' I am. "

Your missing the point - Ilk aren't followers so much as a community of the like minded, as mentioned by Nate. I don't think there are any that aren't above the average IQ level (not sure what Thordaddy is, doesn't appear to be of this Ilk), many are loaners to some extent, at the core I would say many would identify with the phrase "kyfho" (see a book named "Enemy of the State") and would be very happy to leave others alone for the same consideration. Does that mean we would not show compassion or lend a helping hand to others? No. But I think we can all agree, compassion coerced at the point of a gun (government) ceases to be compassion and is simply thievery.

Blogger Thordaddy October 26, 2015 3:23 PM  

To be more succinct, the ilk are anti-Equalists. But this is the passive liberal way to eupemize it.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 26, 2015 3:57 PM  

58 Overall I wish was less inept and competent to be DL. I have a long way to go as I work through a few setbacks.

Our host collaborates.While working alone, is a team player and opts to brainstorm not hide away. Vox brings in superb professionals. Very gifted and blessed of God, we've seen this at CH, the Finland operation, gaming, econo, philosophy, etc., countless areas. Again its a inspiration.

Meanwhile Vox's critics cannot work well with others let alone want to become successful or better oneself, they are very stuck odd people.

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