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Thursday, October 08, 2015

Multicultural success in Sweden

Given that this is what "success" looks like in a multicultural society, imagine what "failure" will amount to:
It is supposed to be the model multicultural state. But Sweden is facing problems of its own after gangs of immigrants spent a fifth consecutive night rioting  in Stockholm.

Officers are battling to keep the  capital under control after hundreds of cars were torched, a police station set alight and fire services kept from  a major blaze by a stone-throwing mob of youths.

To make matters worse, rioting has now spread to Sweden’s two other major cities, Gothenburg and Malmo. The disturbances, which have lasted longer than the riots in England in the summer of 2011, started last week after police shot dead a foreign-born pensioner who threatened to attack them with a machete. Left-wing activists came forward to accuse police of racism – a charge strongly denied by the Stockholm force.

Growing unrest turned to violence last Sunday in a north-western suburb called Husby – where more than 80  per cent of the residents are from overseas, mostly Turkey, Somalia and the Middle East. Trouble then spread to some of the city’s most deprived areas, shattering the country’s proud claim that it is a template for a successful and ethnically diverse society.
It looks like Europe is rapidly approaching the "no more" point, which will be soon followed by "kick them out", then "kill them all", if history is any guide.

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61 Comments:

Blogger Ostar October 08, 2015 2:39 AM  

Vox - do you foresee trials for the leaders who forced this on their people after one of those points mentioned above?
It didn't happen much after the Communists fell (should have), but sure did when the pro-Nazi governments were overthrown after WWII.

Blogger Phillip George October 08, 2015 2:57 AM  

the new buzz word, jargon, disingenuous, obfuscation, prevarication, filibuster, smoke screen, is "radicalization". It's the talking point everywhere.
If this isn't gladio two, deliberate to crash Europe then it's one of history's greatest mistakes

OpenID Jack Amok October 08, 2015 2:57 AM  

do you foresee trials for the leaders... It didn't happen much after the Communists fell... but sure did when the pro-Nazi governments were overthrown

The Commies were overthrown without violence for the most part, so the idea of initiating bloodshed against people who went more or less peacefully when the time came was undesirable. The Nazis had to be dug out of their holes after setting the world on fire, so hanging or shooting them was nothing more than a minor coda to the war.

So, I'd guess that whether there will be trials or not will depend on how much violence we see before the idiots are levered out of power. If they see the writing on the wall and go now, there won't be. But if they keep doubling down on their mutli-culti dream and end up causing full on race wars to break out, they're going to keep the hangmen and firing squads busy.

OpenID crash October 08, 2015 3:15 AM  

Well looks like Europe is approaching their long hot summer of 67.

Not looking to start an argument but there seems there might be an alternate solution to this system.

The ruling class in the EU decides to pacify their refugees with even larger levels of bribes, and nativist movements wind up being stifled by the surveillance/media state.

There just seems to be far too much surveillance in the west for any radical or even non establishment movement to come to power.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 08, 2015 3:52 AM  

@crash

Even the most intrusive surveillance state exists to pressure people into compliance. When it comes to it, surveillance cannot force you to obey. And if enough people disobey, they cant punish everyone

Blogger James Dixon October 08, 2015 4:13 AM  

> And if enough people disobey, they cant punish everyone

While I agree, I must point out that this statement is an untested hypothesis. It's reached a point where I can see someone being stupid enough to test it.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 08, 2015 4:26 AM  

I really do not see how even SJW's can see any benefit in turning advanced western democracies into big refugee camps. The more these invaders go in and damage these countries, the less the poor countries can possibly get helped. (Just trying to see it from a humanitarian perspective). You do not normally stop infection outbreaks by making sure the doctors get sick.

Blogger Eric October 08, 2015 4:27 AM  

I'll believe it when I see it. So far all I see is immigrants rioting and native Swedes relying on police using tear gas and water cannons. When Swedes are rioting in the streets trying to burn out the immigrants, when it's reached the point the cops are using live ammunition, when charges of "racism" roll off people like so much water on a duck... then we'll know it's on.

Blogger Eric October 08, 2015 4:33 AM  

I really do not see how even SJW's can see any benefit in turning advanced western democracies into big refugee camps.

SJWs are patsies. The real forces driving this are the ultra wealthy who will capture much of the economic growth no matter how it comes about. If adding hordes of immigrants doubles the GDP you make twice as much money. Of course if GDP per capita goes down that means the natives of your country are getting poorer. But, well, omelets and eggs.

The other advantage is by multiculting your country you can set ethnic groups against each other if people start thinking they'd rather they had more power at your expense.

Blogger SRBEL October 08, 2015 5:35 AM  

The coming winter, with Christmas surrounding these Muslim invaders, is horrifying to think about. How long until the local churches start issuing calls for the locals to drive out the invaders? I know of a few incidents in Ireland and Eastern Europe. What about the football hooligans, the Ultras? If this video from Poland is anything to go by the situation there is already on edge: https://youtu.be/VDx7NL5VuKs
Surely this whole situation is a tinderbox just waiting to go off.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 October 08, 2015 5:46 AM  

"...It looks like Europe is rapidly approaching the "no more" point, which will be soon followed by "kick them out", then "kill them all"

What a lovely reason for the U.S. to justify an invasion of Europe! Got to save all those innocent "youths" who dindu nuffins after all. And if we can plunder the gold reserves of Germany (that which they managed to get out of New York) and the rest of the EU game on.

Blogger Rantor October 08, 2015 5:52 AM  

@10. I tweet actively against the immigrant invasion of the U.S. and Europe and have gained a few followers in England and Europe. One of these belongs to EDL, English Defense League which opposes the invasion going on, and depending on who you read is either a violent group of football (soccer) fans from England who attack foreigners, or, by their own propaganda a moderate right group opposed to mass immigration. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. They are planning protests for 10 October and calling for other groups (like Pegida) to demonstrate also. So a long way of saying, yeah, some "football hooligans" in the UK seem to have organized...

OpenID xsyq October 08, 2015 6:02 AM  

@12
The middle point between a truth and a lie isn't truth, it's just another lie.

Blogger Wojciech Majda October 08, 2015 6:15 AM  

@ 10; SRBEL
And the immigrants are not even coming to Poland, as the welfare for "refuges" is close to nothing. Thous are protest only against the quota that EU wants to allocate to Poles. People are protesting in most small towns. Protest from Gniezno in Poland (about 70.000 inhabitants):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrl4xNYeTYs

BTW there are reports of "refuges" crossing Polish East border. We are talking about Muslims form Azerbaijan and Russia. They want to get to to Germany too!

Blogger Lukas October 08, 2015 6:20 AM  

If the Swedes were really serious about combating these problems they'd construct a large bronze statue, dedicate it the multicultural god, then begin sacrificing their children upon it to appease this god. Only then will the riots ends and peace envelope their land. I suggest they begin immediately.

Blogger Nate October 08, 2015 6:29 AM  

I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see a progressive shithole like Sweden get bitchslapped by reality.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 08, 2015 6:40 AM  

"Refugees" another shit test given to us by the feminine minded left.

Let it burn

Blogger Stilicho #0066 October 08, 2015 6:42 AM  

The West has spent long decades learning to hate these invaders. Long decades where even the slightest objection to the invasion was met with vile personal and professional attacks. When it reaches the point when a significant plurality of Westerners are angry enough and sufficiently inured to the constant barrage of sjw attacks, mass deportation will be tried, but there will be little mercy for those who resist.

Although the media and other sjw's don't realize it, it has already reached the point where their attacks on normal people and their propaganda efforts on behalf of the vibrant invaders are actually encouraging resistance to "the narrative" and a violent response to the violent invasion.

The "wtf?" moment when people realize what is going on easily becomes a "zero fucks given" attitude when the media and their gov'ts repeatedly tell them that the warm stream of urine directed at them is really just a gentle summer rain...

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir October 08, 2015 6:44 AM  

The MSM is conspicuously staying away from this story.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 08, 2015 6:47 AM  

While this article is illustrative it is relevant to note that it was written in May of 2013 and can not be taken as a ratcheting up of the current situation. Instead it serves more as a warning about where things are going.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 08, 2015 6:56 AM  

The Gamma Cucks will write the usual apologia, mentioning some jibberish on their take of the Blank Slate Theory and the crazy girls of the left will keep on keeping on with their mental illnesses as policy prescriptions.

Dare I say legitimacy is being eaten away.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 08, 2015 7:06 AM  

I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see a progressive shithole like Sweden get bitchslapped by reality.

Amen. They have been the most condescending nation on Earth.

"Sweden is proof that socialism works!"

Provided the Nazi don't invade during WWII and you live in a country where lazy people froze to death for centuries.

On multiculturalism: “The Swedish government pursues a confused—but fair!—policy of multiculturalism, encouraging immigrants to assimilate themselves into Swedish society while also encouraging immigrants to maintain customs they may not want anymore. ‘Kids are doing Turkish folk dances that they never would have done in Turkey,’ said Mr. Gur.” -- P. J. O'Rourke

Blogger Guitar Man October 08, 2015 7:08 AM  

I guess all the good Swedes came to America years ago.

Blogger Michael Thompson October 08, 2015 7:23 AM  

"The MSM is conspicuously staying away from this story."

Well, that's probably because it happened over three years ago.

Blogger DadOfTen October 08, 2015 7:30 AM  

My brother, who became a Swede and is no longer a US citizen, has long pointed out that Sweden's "conservatives" are trying to limit the socialist extremes by not funding them. They haven't been able to repeal much, but they have been able to give "too little" money to many programs. That forces them to prioritize, and cut back the socialism. I wonder if they will try that with the refugees? Just stop funding their welfare and infrastructure. The problem is that the refugees have a nasty bite, as they are proving in Stockholm. Still, not giving people free stuff may get them to move to Germany instead.

Blogger Michael Maier October 08, 2015 7:44 AM  

Well, that's probably because it happened over three years ago.

You mean two, right?

Vox, you do seem to post old stories kind of often.

Blogger Phillip George October 08, 2015 7:53 AM  

Christianity 101 - how many people claim the "101" epigram? "respecting" the basic humanity of people doesn't mean you have to give a pinch of shit credibility to their belief system. In fact, its the opposite.

Day one, live ammunition would have sorted this problem.

Kayla Mueller with all her humanitarian do good girl guide virtues reportedly out to save the world and help those poor disadvantaged, reportedly had her fingernails ripped out. Raped and killed were just salt in the wounds.

Aurelie Chatelaine was simply gunned down for not looking muslim, end of story. Her killer is being cared for in jail.

When does some one, anyone step up to the plate and call evil, evil. In SJW linguistics the answer is never. It will never happen, Hence, they aid, they abet. Same as it ever was.

Why this rhetoric. Because it is black and white. Common Law and ancient.

Blogger Phillip George October 08, 2015 7:56 AM  

What exactly is old about 20 hours ago
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/muslim-refugee-riots-ignored-in-u-s-media-blackout/#jtemUivLK7XfOu7i.99

Blogger FALPhil October 08, 2015 8:13 AM  

@10
Surely this whole situation is a tinderbox just waiting to go off.

Nah, they would have to overcome three generations of affluent navel gazing. It won't be until their affluence is materially affected and their physical safety is at constant risk before they will overcome the emotional inertia.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic October 08, 2015 8:14 AM  

The linked article is from May 2013 and Swedes apparently still do not believe there are enough foreigners in their country.

Blogger VFM 188 October 08, 2015 8:15 AM  

#28, check the link in the WND story. It's old news, for whatever reason, and there does not appear to be muslim rioting in Sweden currently.

Blogger VFM 188 October 08, 2015 8:25 AM  

@#6: And if enough people disobey, they cant punish everyone

Then James said: While I agree, I must point out that this statement is an untested hypothesis. It's reached a point where I can see someone being stupid enough to test it.

Wrong James. It's not an untested hypothesis, and it doesn't take anyone "being stupid enough to test it." Ever heard of Irish Democracy?

Blogger StrongCoffee61 October 08, 2015 8:25 AM  

White's natural altruism and the greed of the Left are making it difficult to deal with non-White immigration in a self-interested healthy way.

White people's good temperaments and selfless desire to help the deserving downtrodden are healthy attributes with likeminded people. However, they are a major hazard in dealing with weaker minded racial groups. The blacks and browns will act like overgrown spoiled stupid temperamental children in response to the patronizing altruism of Whites.
There's only a Himalayan mountain range worth of evidence to support the assertion that dark immigrants will be a huge pain in the ass to the White natives.

Of course, to the Left, the dark immigrants are a goldmine.
Working class Whites proved too self reliant, intelligent, and patriotic for the Marxism of class warfare to be effective. The great experiment of dividing Europe into the capitalist West versus the communist East resulted in an ideological disaster for the Left. To add insult to injury, the Left doesn't reproduce well.

The solution.
Seed your country with low i.q. racial groups. They'll reproduce rapidly and be extremely needy for expensive government services.
The Left's domination of the media will turn the patriotic Whites into a piñata to be beaten for money and for the psychological satisfaction of the invaders. And if the Whites resist being financially bled with higher taxes, the Left will financially rape their children with deficit spending.

All Whites, including the Swedes, had better develop much more healthy ethnic solidarity and overcome the stinking traitorous greed of their own leftwingers.






Blogger Phillip George October 08, 2015 8:28 AM  

OK
this quote:
Similar violence has broken out in 2013, 2014 and last month.
unquote
presumably Sept 2015.
-1 to WND if non of this is happened recently

Blogger MendoScot October 08, 2015 8:38 AM  

Related: Putin shows us how it’s done:

Doubling down on support for Ukraine and supporting the exiled are just two ways donors can respond to the NGO crackdown in Russia, which is also spreading throughout Eurasia. These ideas may be relevant for other regions of the world that are undergoing the same changes. A third way is for donors to engage in dialogue with other donors. Many donors have already come together to talk generally about the dynamics of closing civic space.


In the fall of 2012, I participated in one such meeting, where donors gathered to discuss Russia’s restrictions on foreign funding. Since then, many have left Russia, stopped funding human rights, been threatened with being put on a “patriotic stop–list,” or all three. It would be a good idea to reengage more systematically on new possibilities, specifically for Eurasia.

Blogger JAY WILL October 08, 2015 8:48 AM  

Millions of years of brain pattern recognition software undermined by brainwashing and shame tactics. Its completely normal to fear outsiders, and for good reason. Pacifistic tribes are all dead, live and let live tribes are all dead. Tolerant tribes are all dead. Don't look weak, if you look weak you are more likely to get it. Generations of brainwashing that "looking weak" is actually strong - see Scalzi in dress, while wanting guns is insecurity and a sign of weakness.




OpenID Steve October 08, 2015 9:05 AM  

didn't happen much after the Communists fell (should have), but sure did when the pro-Nazi governments were overthrown after WWII
Schroder's jew

It's old news, for whatever reason, and there does not appear to be muslim rioting in Sweden currently.

Its old news but it took German cops 3 months to report a German child raped, and UK cops a decade to admit 1700+ gang rapes of indigenous little white girls ignored because cops feared being called racist. Leftists have said the worst thing about both is that it proves the right parties right. This news like the lefts debunking of the ISIS flag being from before the inrush with dropped standards shows how bad it was when they where careful with who they let in.

When real news showed moslems fighting against a barricade shouting Alley Akboar at Hungary's border, leftist news only showed them being firehosed with concentration close ups of the few women/kids.

It's reached a point where I can see someone being stupid enough to test it.

Ever hear of Snowden, or Brad Manning? Boris Yeltsin basically stood up drunk on the Berlin wall, pissed on it, and when no one shot him everyone else followed. There would be a lot of people willing to use chemistry that wouldn't be caught.

I really do not see how even SJW's can see any benefit in turning advanced western democracies into big refugee camps

With everyone's attention on the moslems, no one will notice the looting of hard assets. Germany just accounted for all of their gold bars, when the Ukraine accounted for their 33tons it all disappeared in Soros' coup d'état. When handouts are given to moslems a good amount will find its way into other hands.

Well, that's probably because it happened over three years ago

And just like the 8yo white girl Madison raped to death by a Mexican in a sanctuary city during the Cecil the Lion coverage lamestream didn't report it them. #28 posted current riots Vox was probably waiting for a bunch of trolls to gloat over the date before pointing out it happened when standards for letting the 3rd world in had been stricter.

What a lovely reason for the U.S. to justify an invasion of Europe! Got to save all those innocent "youths" who dindu nuffins after all.

The 350# ultra heavy black lesbian infantry marches on its stomachs.

EDL, ...is either a violent group of football (soccer) fans from England who attack foreigners, or...moderate right group

If you look at the video of the Lee Rigby march a little after the 1 min mark you will see the gay rainbow flag. If puffs are willing to march with them against moslems which side do you believe? Although there is a good argument that if cops won't do anything to help little white girls raped by 3rd world moslems they will even less to help puffs victimized by moslems.

They are planning protests for 10 October and calling for other groups (like Pegida)

10 October is a protest date against moslems in the US also. Global Rally for humanity. https://www.facebook.com/Global-Rally-For-Humanity-886612144755173/timeline/
-BigGaySteve

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 08, 2015 9:37 AM  

Stupid police officer should have let the machete-wielding maniac hack him to death.

Because to do otherwise is raciss.

Blogger Harsh October 08, 2015 9:40 AM  

"The MSM is conspicuously staying away from this story."

Well, that's probably because it happened over three years ago.


Some of you guys fall for the okey doke every time.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 08, 2015 9:57 AM  

@16

"I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see a progressive shithole like Sweden get bitchslapped by reality."

If only my hometown and America at large could be so bitchslapped. Also, the rest of those 'Secular Utopian' Nordic countries.

Blogger Student in Blue October 08, 2015 10:16 AM  

I'm also skeptical of the WND article, but it's claimed some things that didn't happen (as far as I can tell) in the 2013 Stockholm riots - such as riots spreading to Malmo and Gothenberg.

However, if riots really *are* that widespread, regardless of a media blackout we'd see people posting pictures and videos of it on social media.

I don't have access to Twitter at the moment so I can't do the sleuthing myself right now.

Blogger haus frau October 08, 2015 10:35 AM  

@7 "I really do not see how even SJW's can see any benefit in turning advanced western democracies into big refugee camps. The more these invaders go in and damage these countries, the less the poor countries can possibly get helped."

I got into it with an anarchist libertarian yesterday. Funny thing about them, the anarchist flavor of libertarians all come to libertarianism from the far left and so retain the character of the far left. Some fun quotes from that spat:
"Diversity is not decay, it's just more problematic. Let's remember that the vast majority of people in this country get along very well."
Anarcho-lib responding to criticism that migrants will bring down western govs.
"So should we continue to add fuel to the fire is the question I would ask. Increasing the size and strength of these groups contiues to exacerbate the situation."
Yes. Whatever can bring down the United States faster the better."
Denying that Muslims will make the collapse bloodier.
"Why would it be bloodier?
BTW, how many Muslims in this country do you know? I live in a neighborhood that has one of the highest concentrations of Muslims in the United States. Haven't had any bombs go off in the past 17 years.
Keep believing all the fear-mongering nonsense of the MSM"
After to pointing to European crime stats and problems with muslims, he responds if you don't personally know any muslims you can't have an opinion on the topic.....and you are a Nazi:
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about the United States and the Muslims who migrate here. Again, how many Muslims do you know? In fact, how many Muslims live in your neighborhood? In fact, you probably wouldn't know because most Muslims don't walk around with some sort of garb that signifies that they are Muslims.
Your comment are no different than what people said—and still say—about Jews."

I asked him if it always comes back to the jews for the jews....radio silence....This guy is an atheist Jew by the way....So to sum it up, a mixture of cognitive dissonance, multi-cultural equalist preening, burn it all down mentality, and good old fashioned denial of all reality that doesn't slap him in the face.

Blogger VFM 188 October 08, 2015 10:48 AM  

As I have previously noted a non-trivial percentage of libertarians are idiots. But ALL anarchists are idiots, whether they come from the left or the right. Don't get me wrong: I have many anarchist friends. They can be nice people, even fun. But by arguing for anarchy, they fit the moniker "idiot". Why? Because they have no flipping idea what they are asking for....

Blogger Alexander October 08, 2015 11:07 AM  

@39

Do you believe that the situation has changed for the better? Or is this perhaps a case where things were already in the shit years ago and the MSM is still insisting that this new hoard of Mad Muhammadans is unquestionably a good thing?

Blogger Tom K. October 08, 2015 11:12 AM  

In true SJW fashion, Merkel attempts to use shaming language to force the Eastern European countries to accept their own destruction.

SJWs Always Lie. Notice the False equivalency in comparing a fence to keep people in against their will with a fence to keep invaders out.

Also, SJW Always Project - Even if they have to lie to do it! Merkel, who apparently frew up in East Berlin, says, "I've lived behind walls long enough." Really? You're tired of living behind walls? Can I take a look at the house you live in? At your personal security arrangements? She only objects to the unwashed masses of German citizens living behind walls.

Http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/angela-merkel/11919548/Angela-Merkel-attacks-east-European-leaders-for-ignoring-their-past-over-refugees.html

Blogger haus frau October 08, 2015 11:26 AM  

@43 "They can be nice people, even fun. But by arguing for anarchy, they fit the moniker "idiot". Why? Because they have no flipping idea what they are asking for...."

They are purists who, like communists, think that if we just had the right rules human nature would mould itself to the new environment and we could all get along in the new Utopia accordingly. Like the Communists they ultimately view people as pieces on a chess board that can be moved around however needed without regard to religion, culture, or observable human nature because their rules will perfect them. The one's I have interacted with think that the US constitutional republic decayed into what we have now because it wasn't free enough to begin with bot because that's just human nature over time. That's my two cents anyway.

Blogger SciVo October 08, 2015 1:20 PM  

crash @4: There just seems to be far too much surveillance in the west for any radical or even non establishment movement to come to power.

Yes and no. People don't even need to talk, if they come to the same conclusion at the same time for the same reasons. Look at how few were Nazis or Bolsheviks, and then tell me how few it would take to act against the government's wishes without even bothering to overthrow it.

The leaders of the West are stupid, evil or crazy. Take your pick.

Blogger SciVo October 08, 2015 1:36 PM  

In other news, even though I suggested this rhetoric a few days ago, I'm still finding this article difficult to finish. Even though I know exactly what she's doing, it still works on me. Such is the power of effective rhetoric: it hits your hindbrain.

Europe's Rape Epidemic: Western Women Will Be Sacrificed at the Altar of Mass Migration

Blogger SciVo October 08, 2015 1:44 PM  

To clarify, suggested here, and difficult to finish reading. There's no particular reason to expect that she saw my suggestion, since it's an obvious choice for a good rhetorician.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo October 08, 2015 1:49 PM  

10 years ago on this very blog the conversations in retrospect seem very small and local. Mainly political skirmishes, Arsenal, pre-game stuff etc.

Now it is full on realtalk, as many sites are fast becoming, fine tuning of game, and larger life or death consequences to the insane ideas of today.

So I fully anticipate in 10 years from now KTA will be a heavily used acronym if this blog is still online. Times are approaching fast.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo October 08, 2015 2:08 PM  

Also, doesn't it feel like the elites know that the meltdown is coming imminently and this last huge push to bring in filthy peoples is less about adding political allies and more about getting last second buffer troops? Almost like they know they are going to lose badly unless something happens so why not have the blowback fall squarely on millions of NAMs chimping out in the strreets. Nothing to see here...

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 08, 2015 2:40 PM  

Perhaps they have always been crazy, or at least Wall Street has always been greedy.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar October 08, 2015 4:14 PM  

The system is toast. When you see people like Hillary and Jeb running for President, you know they've gone past scraping the bottom of the barrel and are now looking under rocks. That's probably where they got the magical negro retard who can't talk without a teleprompter. The USA is no longer a Superpower. Did you hear the news story about Obumblebee needing Blue Helmets to come into major cities like New Yawk to keep the peace. We're dealing with a paper tiger hear. Puff the Magic Dragon ain't gonna burn your house down paper boy.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 08, 2015 5:10 PM  

@42 I don't personally know any mass-murderers either, but I have opinions on that.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 08, 2015 5:12 PM  

@9 true!

Blogger VFM 188 October 08, 2015 5:46 PM  

@53 Joshua: The USA is no longer a Superpower....We're dealing with a paper tiger here.

Obama promised to "fundamentally change America", and in the past 7 years has done so. He was elected TWICE. So China is brushing the U.S. aside as it reasserts its dominance over the South China Sea and western Pacific, while Russia shores up its borders with Ukraine, retakes its Black Sea port in the Crimea, and easily displaces the U.S. in the Mideast to keep its warm water port on the Mediterranean. The post-WW II era is ending, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Blogger Danby October 08, 2015 8:51 PM  

But ALL anarchists are idiots, whether they come from the left or the right.

I have a friend who's an anarchist and not an idiot. But he's a Samoan. He's 6'6", weighs well north of 350lbs of muscle, has a large extended family who would (and have) quite willingly kill Whitey or Blackie to protect the family. He's pretty sure they would win a descent into anarchy.

With that exception, you're right.

Blogger VFM 188 October 09, 2015 5:23 AM  

@57, Danby: He's pretty sure they would win a descent into anarchy.

That's the thing, Danby. "Anarchists" are blind to just how dangerous and vicious human beings can be, they are clueless about what will happen when mechanisms constraining human behavior depart. Think Somalia, Libya, or New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. That's why governments, awful as they are, have always sprung up; they are simultaneously symptoms of the problem and attempts to constrain it. In a true collapse the vast majority of big, strong men and their big strong families would be reduced to long pig within months.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo October 09, 2015 8:55 AM  

Sorry Danby but your comment is laughable and shows a basic republican naivete. Oh big guy strong big guy win. Duh. Nowhere in your comments did you mention guns or strongholds or even basic organizational skills of a people who would sorely need it with iq s in the 80s. This is why Africa with its billion people can't do anything. Who cares if he is 350 lbs.? His whole family and friends would lose to a 40 year old ak. I also assume that he lives in civilization since you know him. Does he make his own food? Build his own home? Nah perhaps rethinking your assumptions would help you if and when it actually hits the fan. If you don't have a network of armed friends you can rally around immediately you are going to starve or be butchered

Blogger Vincent Castrillo October 09, 2015 8:56 AM  

Sorry Danby but your comment is laughable and shows a basic republican naivete. Oh big guy strong big guy win. Duh. Nowhere in your comments did you mention guns or strongholds or even basic organizational skills of a people who would sorely need it with iq s in the 80s. This is why Africa with its billion people can't do anything. Who cares if he is 350 lbs.? His whole family and friends would lose to a 40 year old ak. I also assume that he lives in civilization since you know him. Does he make his own food? Build his own home? Nah perhaps rethinking your assumptions would help you if and when it actually hits the fan. If you don't have a network of armed friends you can rally around immediately you are going to starve or be butchered

Blogger haus frau October 09, 2015 10:56 AM  

"That's why governments, awful as they are, have always sprung up; they are simultaneously symptoms of the problem and attempts to constrain it."

The same man who's conversation I quoted also has several commenters on his page that firmly believe prisons are unnecessary and could be replaced by a system of heavy fines through a privatized justice system. I pointed out that his system assumes that criminals are all capable of rational decision making and that they respond to normal incentives. As any non-idiot understands, this is not the case. Also, after a certain point, fines can't take anything more from a person and then they are truly dangerous. He said he didn't think that was a problem for any criminal type but serial killers and since serial killers mainly prey on women and children (he is an older childless bachelor) he didn't feel it was his problem to deal with. Now right here is the practical problem with getting libertarian ideas out to the public. Serial killers are his problem because normal people don;t want them walking around in public and have no reservation about building prisons and creating tax systems to keep them out of public. It makes sense that anarcho-libertarianism lures the aspergery atheist element to the cause.

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