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Sunday, October 18, 2015

NFL open thread

This would be it. And if you wanted to discuss the incredible end to the Michigan-Michigan State game, that would be understandable. While I have no doubt Harbaugh will somehow be blamed for not winning the game, I very much doubt the punter was instructed to do anything other than fall on the ball in case of a bad snap.

Football is not the only activity where trying to fix a problem that doesn't need to be fixed is the best way to ensure complete disaster.

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Blogger YIH October 18, 2015 11:53 AM  

And if you wanted to discuss the incredible end to the Michigan-Michigan State game
For those who didn't see it, you can see a .gif of it here.
Cue the Yakety Sax.
I agree Vox, what the hell was that punter thinking? It looked like he tried to lateral - FAIL

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 18, 2015 12:03 PM  

Wolverine tears are sweet and succulent. Put the the Little Brother tag away for another year.

That said. U of M played the better game. I will admit that.

But as for blaming the punter, no. In this case I blame the coach. Harbaugh made the wrong call. Punting was higher risk than was needed for a college level game. NFL maybe but for college level, handing it off to one of your more expendable fullbacks and let him chug around for a few the safer play was the safer play.

Admittedly, I was a shocked as anyone to see the Spartans pull it off, quite literally at the last possible second.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 12:18 PM  

Ian Rapoport (it must be true) is reporting Luck is expected to play tonight vs Patriots. If Luck is held out of another game this weekend after every indication is he will play I'm gonna be looking to contract a hit on the Colt's coach and owner.

Blogger Thomas October 18, 2015 12:25 PM  

Who give a flying rodent's bohunkas about Michigan-MSU? Bama had two pick-sixes in the same game yesterday, and Clemson demolished the statistical top rated defense in the country. I think we are seeing the National Title game shaping up.

Tom B

Blogger Nate October 18, 2015 12:26 PM  

I hate bye weeks. and I hate fantasy football.

Blogger Nate October 18, 2015 12:26 PM  

" Bama had two pick-sixes in the same game yesterday"

3.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 18, 2015 12:30 PM  

A few things did become obvious during the Great Divide game. The biggest is that MSUs Special Teams must suck. They were in field goal range at least twice. A field foal at either one of them would have made the end play a moot point. Dantonio had them try to run it in both times.

Honestly I don't know what's up with the Spartans this year. Its pretty much the same team as last year but they aren't playing like it.

On the third hand, having the Walmart Wolverines looking down on you is a best annoying. Winning the Great Divide is a near carnal pleasure.

Blogger bob k. mando October 18, 2015 12:32 PM  

2. Cataline Sergius October 18, 2015 12:03 PM
Punting was higher risk than was needed for a college level game.


i was watching it in a room full ( ~15 ) of MI / MI State fans ... mixed families are soo much fun.

anyway more to your critique, the host is a scout for perennial Indiana small school powerhouse, Jimtown. he was expecting punt. as was everyone else in the room.

the problem was that, at the time of the punt, the point differential was State 21 / MI 23.

iow, a field goal wins the game for State. and they may have just enough time for a throw to the sideline, out of bounds and kick.

there are too many ways for State to win the game if you give them the ball at the ~50. the punt was necessary just to limit State to a Hail Mary attempt.

but it's not fair to put all the blame on the punter here, anyways. MI made several poor plays and failed to convert first downs in the 4th quarter. they didn't play the defense or the offense that they needed too.

yeah, the punter completely flubbed his part but that was just the end of a long string of not particularly good play to end the game.

Blogger Nate October 18, 2015 12:44 PM  

"NFL maybe but for college level, handing it off to one of your more expendable fullbacks and let him chug around for a few the safer play was the safer play."

I've never understood why its so hard for coaches to get that a qb can run around an heave the ball down field to killed the last few seconds. clock expires before the ball hits the ground. game over

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 18, 2015 12:49 PM  

@8 they didn't play the defense or the offense that they needed too.

U of M didn't have much choice on the offense. During their big losing streak, they just couldn't recruit decent talent.

As for defense, I think Michigan was shook after the first TD. The Wolverines were coming off a string of shutouts where nobody could even get into the Red Zone let alone score. A winning streak can sometimes be a bad thing.

Apparently the punter is getting death threats from U of M fans.

Blogger JDC October 18, 2015 12:49 PM  

I live in a divided house. Wife is an ardent MSU grad and fan, I, not so much. With 10 seconds left I prepared to offer condolences mixed with a bit of gloat. Then, the snap...the fumble...the recovery...the inability to tackle or push out of bounds. The shocked faces...

Then, my beautiful wife and mother of my children sticking her bony finger at me and yelling, "In your face."

Ahh...the joys of football. At least I have the Lions.

Now I am really depressed.

Blogger Desiderius October 18, 2015 12:49 PM  

"I very much doubt the punter was instructed to do anything other than fall on the ball in case of a bad snap."

If he falls on it, MSU has a 50-yd FG try for the win from that spot.

Blogger bob k. mando October 18, 2015 12:52 PM  

VD
While I have no doubt Harbaugh will somehow be blamed for not winning the game



no, MI fans are just so happy to actually be accomplishing something this year, they don't even really care. hell, they weren't even ranked last year. and EVERYBODY is noticing that Harbaugh is doing this with players that he did NOT recruit.

i mean, yeah, with 15 seconds left, everybody expected the Wolverines to be able to force the clock out and the MI fans are dissappointed that didn't get done.

but they led almost the entire game. compare that to last year when the Spartans blew them out by 35-11.

Wolverine fans know how much Harbaugh has done and WHAT HE HAS DONE IT WITH. they aren't going to blame him for anything.

heck, last week i had a guy telling me MI could take down OSU ... with the same players that were unranked last year ...

Blogger Nate October 18, 2015 12:53 PM  

OSU has done exactly nothing.

Blogger Josh October 18, 2015 12:55 PM  

There's a disturbing number of Michigan fans here...

Blogger JDC October 18, 2015 1:01 PM  

no, MI fans are just so happy to actually be accomplishing something this year, they don't even really care. hell, they weren't even ranked last year. and EVERYBODY is noticing that Harbaugh is doing this with players that he did NOT recruit.

This is most certainly true. MI was not even supposed to compete with State this year. Most MI fans were simply hoping for a winning season and a bowl appearance. Even with a loss they have performed above most fans' expectations.

Re OSU - Agreed, they have done nothing. They have certainly benefited from being the National Champs...they still have to get through MSU and UM - those games should be interesting.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 1:03 PM  

There's a disturbing number of Michigan fans here...

Agreed, but Vox did open the door

Blogger bob k. mando October 18, 2015 1:05 PM  

9. Nate October 18, 2015 12:44 PM
I've never understood why its so hard for coaches to get that a qb can run around an heave the ball down field to killed the last few seconds.



maybe an average QB could handle that. MI quarterback this year blows.

you call that in place of the punt and i would EXPECT him to fuck it up. Rudock didn't throw any INTs but he only had a QBR of <40.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 1:06 PM  

McCoy's hamstring looks to be healed . EJ's baaaack

Blogger bob k. mando October 18, 2015 1:10 PM  

i'm not a fan of UM or MSU ... unless they're playing ND. but then, i'm a fan of whoever is playing ND.

it's just that i'm friends with a Dowagiac Michigan transplant to northern Indiana ( we call it, "Michiana" ). so his MI fanboism is partly a reaction to all of the ND / IU partisans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiana

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 1:16 PM  

EJ scores on opening drive against the vaunted Bengal D

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 1:57 PM  

Peyton Manning is the new Trent Dilfer

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 2:06 PM  

Giovanni scores

Blogger Retrenched October 18, 2015 2:34 PM  

Well at least the Cowboys aren't going to lose this week. Yeah, it's only because of the bye week... but still, that's something to be happy about I guess.

Blogger YIH October 18, 2015 2:50 PM  

@11 JDC:
At least I have the Lions.

Now I am really depressed.

Hey, they're beating the Bears...
FWIW.

OpenID JonasN October 18, 2015 3:35 PM  

In other NFL news, prepare for the league to get even more SJW-fied:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/sports/football/miami-owner-backs-new-effort-to-combat-racism.html

"Miami Owner Backs New Effort to Combat Racism"

It goes on to describe how Stephen M. Ross (the billionaire owner of the Dolphins) is sponsoring an "anti-racism" media and school curriculum campaign because, apparently, Detroit is a shithole:

"Ross, a billionaire who made his fortune developing real estate, went to Detroit to meet the governor of Michigan and other officials about addressing the seemingly intractable problems there. He recognized that racism and discrimination were at the core of the city’s poverty and its economic problems. "

If you're a Dolphins fan, this is partially your fault for funding Ross's empire...

Blogger Eric October 18, 2015 4:16 PM  

Nate,
I certainly agree with you on hating fantasy football, but your late game strategy, meh.

Blogger Desiderius October 18, 2015 5:15 PM  

"EJ scores on opening drive against the vaunted Bengal D"

Anyone vaunting the Bengal D doesn't know much about football, but they're solid enough with those special teams and that offense. Reminds me of the 1980 team.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 5:31 PM  

Last time the Bengals started 6-0 they went to the SB which is a meaningless fact in 2015 that will be repeated over and over by sport media this week. In any event until Dalton can prove he can win a playoff game nobody will take them seriously.

Blogger Michael Maier October 18, 2015 5:34 PM  

JDC's wife sounds like he doesn't spank her oft enough.

Blogger Desiderius October 18, 2015 5:54 PM  

"In any event until Dalton can prove he can win a playoff game nobody will take them seriously."

I'd imagine Mike Tomlin will be taking him very seriously these next two weeks. Again, very similar to Ken Anderson who led good, but not great, Bengal teams throughout the 70s, then finally broke through in 1980.

If Luck and Manning continue to have down years, there will be an opening for them come January.

Blogger YIH October 18, 2015 6:07 PM  

The Broncos have two opponents every week: The guys in the other uniform, and the Broncos' offense. And they still remain undefeated. The Broncos' defense overcame injuries, three Peyton Manning interceptions, and terrible field position on a day the Browns' defense did more than enough to win.
Manning better hope that D can keep carrying him - if he doesn't go down with an injury for what will likely be the last time.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 6:12 PM  

Mike Tomlin is a very serious man.

The 7 TD and 10 INT Manning? The Manning with a barely .500 playoff record? That Manning?

Blogger bob k. mando October 18, 2015 6:16 PM  

30. Michael Maier October 18, 2015 5:34 PM
JDC's wife sounds like he doesn't spank her oft enough.



i would say to have mercy on the poor Lions fan ... but women despise weakness.

so he may as well spank her.

Blogger YIH October 18, 2015 6:17 PM  

@29 Dave:
Last time the Bengals started 6-0 they went to the SB which is a meaningless fact in 2015 that will be repeated over and over by sport media this week.
And they lost. Both times. Though they made them good games.
One thing they have to look forward to is that they probably won't be up against the Niners this time.

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 6:18 PM  

Who is Manning's backup? Could he really be worse than Manning is right now?

Blogger Desiderius October 18, 2015 6:32 PM  

"Though they made them good games."

Should have won the first one. Lucky to be in the second. I'd be happy just making it back, especially since that means getting by the best team in the NFL.

"Mike Tomlin is a very serious man."

His teams are talented but sloppy. Can't believe how sound fundamentally the Bengals have been.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 18, 2015 7:44 PM  

The Chiefs offense is giving me Steve Bono flashbacks.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 October 18, 2015 8:10 PM  

I am hoping Eli wins his 3rd SB against the Patriots who go 16-0 in the regular season for the second time, and we can finally end the debate about which Manning is the better one.

Blogger LAZ October 18, 2015 8:15 PM  

@ 24: "Well at least the Cowboys aren't going to lose this week. Yeah, it's only because of the bye week... but still, that's something to be happy about I guess."

It's hard being a Dallas fan sometimes.

Blogger ray October 18, 2015 8:22 PM  

Two and four. Without lotsa homer calls, the Sleezehawks don't dominate. Legion of Choom didn't know whichaway to go the last TD pass.

Hey where's Jack Smack? At the titty bar I spect.

Seattle -- beatable w/o the refs. Like SJdubyas.

Blogger Kaz October 18, 2015 8:57 PM  

40. Blogger LAZ
It's hard being a Dallas fan sometimes.

Cowboys are going to use a quarterback past his prime to replace a quarterback with no prime. What could go wrong?

Blogger Michael Maier October 18, 2015 10:10 PM  

Colts up at the half, baby!

I like their tenacity. I don't like our chances this year, but the heart is nice to see.

Blogger bob k. mando October 18, 2015 11:33 PM  

36. Dave October 18, 2015 6:18 PM
Who is Manning's backup? Could he really be worse than Manning is right now?



i hear Tebow is available.

how much worse could he be?

Blogger Dave October 18, 2015 11:40 PM  

Hey Tebow why not? He already won a playoff game for Denver once upon a time.

Blogger ray October 18, 2015 11:48 PM  

'how much worse could he be?'


They don't like him. Divisive influence. Visits people in hospitals and other divisive stuff.

The NFL Singularity took place tonite, Indy lined up on fourth down with a center and quarterback, everybody else spread around the field. The hike seemed to come as a revelation to the QB who eventually ran for about a foot while the rest of the offense watched. The Pats took over on downs.

OpenID Jack Amok October 18, 2015 11:53 PM  

Seattle -- beatable w/o the refs. Like SJdubyas.

That's about the dumbest shit anyone could say, but I'm not at all surprised you said it.

But when is it that you're going to "give me my first real confrontation" anyway ray? You promised it a long time ago, and your dumbass mouth keeps running, but you never follow up. Ah well, you're just like watching the Seahawks these days, same shit, different week.

Blogger YIH October 19, 2015 12:01 AM  

@44 bob k. mando & Dave:
I knew it, when I mentioned how bad Payton did I thought ''yeah, sooner or later someone is going to say 'what about Tebow'?''
/rolls eyes

Blogger YIH October 19, 2015 12:04 AM  

@46 ray:
That was worse than the Michigan/Michigan St. fiasco. That was a planned trick play of EPIC FAIL.

Blogger bob k. mando October 19, 2015 10:38 AM  

48. YIH October 19, 2015 12:01 AM
I knew it, when I mentioned how bad Payton did I thought ''yeah, sooner or later someone is going to say 'what about Tebow'?''



the justification for getting rid of a winning QB was that they wanted a great quarterback.

well, their "great quarterback" is now performing just like Tebow ... only with zero rushing ability. and Tebow has a better TD:Int ratio than Peyton does this year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1428/peyton-manning

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13200/tim-tebow

so yes, the question "Was 3 decent seasons, a Super Bowl loss and crappy draft position worth what we paid for Peyton?" is going to get asked.

Blogger CarpeOro October 19, 2015 11:44 AM  

@15

Outside of the Detroit metro area (which is mainly where everything moved to from Detroit) and the ex-auto industry towns, Michigan is actually a pretty good place, with a huge number of hunters and salt of the earth types. I'd go back if I could find a decent job and pay.

Blogger ray October 19, 2015 10:54 PM  

YIH -- I hadn't processed the Michigan Foozle when a yet greater strangeness manifest.

The indy formation resembles modern policy in America. :O)

Turned over to the pats on downs. But lasting comic value.

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