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Tuesday, October 27, 2015

Out of date and out of touch

For once, the Washington Post is correct about the complete cluelessness of the Republican establishment:
The dirty little secret in Republican politics these days is that the longtime pillars of the party — politicians and ex-politicians, major donors and the consultant class — are further removed from the views of the GOP base than at any time in modern memory. They simply do not understand what the heck is happening within and to their party.

John Sununu, a former New Hampshire governor and longtime GOP hand, is one of the few who is willing to admit just how clueless he is about, among other things, the rise of Donald Trump and Ben Carson. Here's what Sununu told the New York Times's Jonathan Martin:

    I have no feeling for the electorate anymore. It is not responding the way it used to. Their priorities are so different that if I tried to analyze it I’d be making it up.


Sununu is far from alone in GOP  ranks. Think about how most establishment Republicans saw this race playing out: Jeb Bush gets in, raises a ton of money and blows everyone else out of the water. By this point in the year, most of the consultant class would have predicted that Bush would be solidly in first place in most of the early states and simply polishing his policy résumé for the general-election fight to come.

But the truth that Martin exposes via Sununu is that the old ways of doing things in the Republican Party have changed significantly since even George W. Bush was elected in 2000 — running, it's worth noting, essentially the same campaign his younger brother is right now. Strategies — get big (in terms of organization), tout electability and inevitability, keep yourself close enough to the center that you can be viable in a general election — that once were fail-safe just don't work in this electoral environment where the dominant sentiment of voters is anger about everything.
The social mood has shifted. What works when the voters are generally optimistic does not work when they are increasingly fearful, angry, and desperate. It's fun to speak knowledgeably of Ricardo and wax eloquent about how immigrants are enriching the economy when you're pulling down six digits at the office, but the cruel realities of supply and demand are a little more likely to strike home when you've been out of work for 18 months and haven't had an interview in your last ten job applications.

What we're seeing is an establishment that is out of sync with reality because they believe the false media narrative about the state of the union, whereas the grass roots has been forced to confront it.

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110 Comments:

Blogger Stingray October 27, 2015 8:14 AM  

I used to believe the GOP was out of touch on purpose. That it was their way of controlling the narrative. The fact that they are just clueless was a bit of a shock to me because they are supposed to be our best and brightest.

The fact that they are just morons is encouraging.

Blogger Lulabelle October 27, 2015 8:16 AM  

I don't know Stingray..........the fact that the GOP leaders are morons is not encouraging to me. When I see people blindly following them.......STILL........I'm actually mystified.

Blogger Sean October 27, 2015 8:22 AM  

I think they know more about what is going on than they admit. They are simply unwilling to confront it because most of them have more in common with their frenemies in the democrats than they do with the republican base.

Blogger Student in Blue October 27, 2015 8:25 AM  

The fact that they are just morons is encouraging.

Sometimes a Rove is a Rove is a Rove is a Rove.

Blogger Patrick October 27, 2015 8:27 AM  

When the media writes about the anger they also impress upon the reader that the anger is unjustified. You see this especially when they write about Trump.

Blogger Patrick October 27, 2015 8:29 AM  

I should have added that you never see this when they make mention of the anger among Bernie supporters.

Blogger VFM 188 October 27, 2015 8:32 AM  

Sean's right: All Democrats and almost all Republicans in Washington, DC are members of the parasite political classes (and doing quite well by being so). The establishment GOP pantomimes "conservative" only to uphold the charade.

Thus the astonishing Donald Trump phenomenon.

Blogger Salt October 27, 2015 8:36 AM  

Unlike the Dems, the party of the narrative, the GOP is the party of institutionalized Government. Ron Paul, an example of an anti-candidate, was othered and dismissed. Times have changed, the line has been well crossed. Now comes Trump and the GOP is bewildered that its base is not othering him.

Blogger YIH October 27, 2015 8:40 AM  

Derb knows what's up:
The GOP is a particularly peculiar political beast. Any big party, if it’s to enjoy widespread success, needs two things: money, so that it can advertise itself to the populace, and votes, so that its candidates can get into office. What is peculiar about today’s Republican Party is that most of its voters want things diametrically opposed to what most of its donors want.

That’s why you hear so much scornful or angry talk about “the GOP Establishment.” These are the party bosses and congresscritters who see it as their main job to keep the donors happy.

Big parts of the party’s message, though, are indigestible to Republican voters. Since they need voters just as much as they need donors, the GOP Establishment is trapped in a painful and unsightly straddle.

This is the reality behind Mitt Romney’s defeat in 2012. Rightly or wrongly—you’ll get an argument from Ann Coulter about that—Romney was seen as an Establishment candidate, so a lot of GOP voters stayed home.

Blogger YIH October 27, 2015 9:02 AM  

Also from the WaPo link:
We are through the looking glass. The revolution is on. And most of the old guard — Sununu being a notable exception — keeps waiting for things to return to "normal." Maybe they will. Maybe Bush or, more likely, Marco Rubio will wind up as the Republican nominee next year.
The 'establishment' Faux News/Talk Radio crowd clearly wants Bush Family III: YEB!, in fact one talker said ''they need to bring out W!'' which of course won't happen, because YEB! is loathe to re-litigate his brother's much less than stellar Presidency.
Sailer notes: ¡Jeb¡ Campaign Strategy of Acting as if He Likes Mexicans More Than Americans Proves Surprisingly Unappealing to Americans
Gee, 'ya think?
YEB! should be running for President of that country - but like Fred Reed, he can't.

Blogger SRBEL October 27, 2015 9:03 AM  

An anecdotal example of how the social mood is changing here in Australia: the multi-million dollar company I work for is hosting a staff Christmas party with the "Bad Taste" theme, a theme that has been turned down a few times over the last decade because it might be too offensive. This year the green-light has been given to blackface, Nazi uniforms, etc etc. As the GM said to me a few days ago, "Things have changed. I don't think anyone will really care. And screw them if they do!" Admittedly there will only be a couple hundred people there, and it will be at a private venue away from prying eyes. But certainly hundreds of photos will make it to social media, so the fallout will be interesting.

Anyone know where I can get a cheap Nazi uniform? Hah!

Blogger Stilicho #0066 October 27, 2015 9:11 AM  

@4 A Rove by any other name would smell the same.

Re: Sununu doesn't lack intelligence, he lacks knowledge and his ideological blinders (RINO) cause him to discount or even ignore such knowledge when it is presented to him. Otherwise intelligent people are just as susceptible to normalcy bias as anyone and even more susceptible to forgetting that they can be wrong.

Blogger Student in Blue October 27, 2015 9:11 AM  

Anyone know where I can get a cheap Nazi uniform? Hah!

You better go as a gay Nazi. The Gaystapo will not be deterred.

Blogger Lulabelle October 27, 2015 9:14 AM  

"Anyone know where I can get a cheap Nazi uniform? Hah!"

Hmmm. Maybe something more original. You could go as a WPM. (White Privileged Male). Or maybe it should be MOWP. (Male Of White Privilege).

Blogger Student in Blue October 27, 2015 9:15 AM  

@Stilicho
Otherwise intelligent people are just as susceptible to normalcy bias as anyone and even more susceptible to forgetting that they can be wrong.

I can't remember who said it in which thread yesterday, but paraphrased, "There's nothing quite like an intelligent man who believes his own bullshit."

Blogger Stingray October 27, 2015 9:19 AM  

@2

Lulabelle,

It's encouraging because once the shift in power happens, one way or another, those people who blindly follow the GOP will blindly follow the the new power. This could have disastrous implications, but what is rising on the right is anti-immigration and it will only get stronger. Now that people have someone to rally behind, Trump, it will only continue to grow and those blind followers will eventually switch. It's what they do. It's why Vox's SJWAL is so important. It shows how to maintain your strength.

It's human nature and why, I think, our Founders only let male land owners vote. Those were the most likely to actually think about our government and not just blindly follow. Now that we have these followers, (almost anyone can vote) we can influence them. That is why I am hopeful.

Blogger Dystopic October 27, 2015 9:21 AM  

It's not just a Republican thing. My grandfather had been a lifelong Democrat of the old Blue Dog/Union type. In the last election he voted Republican for the first time (and only time, since he passed recently). I remember him shaking his head and saying that things had changed, and the old America he knew was long dead. I suppose it's merciful that he won't see just how bad it's going to get, now.

OpenID elijahrhodes October 27, 2015 9:31 AM  

This is why Leftism itself will eventually unravel. You can deny reality for a while, but in time the truth will prevail.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 27, 2015 9:32 AM  

"A high IQ person can accept silly ideologies that your average Joe can’t even understand." -- Richard Hoste

Blogger Ostar October 27, 2015 9:40 AM  

Lifelong Republican here (1st voted for Reagan). I hope the GOP goes the way of the Whigs - both the socialist Dems and crony capitalist Reps are traitors to the American people.

OpenID karsten0 October 27, 2015 9:44 AM  

"I used to believe the GOP was out of touch on purpose. That it was their way of controlling the narrative. The fact that they are just clueless"

That's because it's a two-tier establishment.

The lower tier, the Cuckservatives, are in fact clueless. That's why they're cuckservativse.

The ((((Cohenservatives)))), on the other hand -- the string-pullers -- they are most pointedly out of touch on purpose.

Blogger Stephen St. Onge October 27, 2015 9:53 AM  

The key here is that Sununu talks about how the electorate is reacting, rather than about issues, policy, and the state of the country.

The Republican establishment doesn't care about anything but getting elected. They're believers in the old line "Sincerity is the key to life: once you can fake that, you've got it made." For decades, they've faked sincerity when dealing with the electorate on campaign, telling the voters what they would do in Washington, but when in office they didn't deliver on their promises.

Now the voters have largely caught on to them, and they don't know what to fake. Trump and Carson are riding high in the polls because they actually seem to care more about public policy then about getting elected.

Blogger 罗臻 October 27, 2015 9:55 AM  

Most conservatives still don't think immigration is an important issue. Trump on Today yesterday, says he'll make the illegals go back home and let them right back in, legally. Sounds like Trump is for amnesty too...but no one calls him on it because they're out of touch.

Blogger Jourdan October 27, 2015 9:57 AM  

Nothing to worry about, guys. Everything is fine. Why, just this morning NPR reported that out-going Speaker "Orange" Boner did his country and party one last service by "reaching a bi-partisan budget deal that will avoid both a government shut-down and a default on the debt limit while increasing spending at the Pentagon and also increasing domestic spending."

See? Everything is totally cool. Incoming Speaker Ryan is off to a great start here.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 27, 2015 9:58 AM  

WAG on my part, not far from an American Milosovich blowing this shit show up, Yugomerica its time is coming

Blogger Were-Puppy October 27, 2015 10:01 AM  

@15 Student in Blue
I can't remember who said it in which thread yesterday, but paraphrased, "There's nothing quite like an intelligent man who believes his own bullshit."
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The exact phrase is "bought into their own bullshit".

Blogger Dug October 27, 2015 10:18 AM  

Sounds like Trump is for amnesty too

He's not. Do you not understand what amnesty is? 'Send everyone here illegally back home. If they'd like to apply again, they have to do so through legal channels. We will control how many come here, and of the ones who do, we will weed out any criminals, people looking for welfare, and more.' is not that.

How out of touch does a person have to be to not even know what amnesty -is-?

Blogger Carl Philipp October 27, 2015 10:19 AM  

@13 Any year now, the Gaystapo will start dragging people into their beds.

Blogger haus frau October 27, 2015 10:26 AM  

My older sister is or was a big supporter of regime change and believes the Iran propaganda. I remember her scolding me angrily in 2012 because I wouldn't vote for Romney, whom she acknowledged was just the lesser of two evils. This year she told me she would stay home if Bush won the primary. I was actually very surprised by that.
Having been to repub state level meetings, I think the upper levels of state parties have no idea that they just turned cut off their own feet by using the "lesser of two evils" candidate over and over again. There is a disconnect even on the state level between those who work the lower levels of the party and the leadership.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 10:28 AM  

The unstoppable Trumpkrieg has been in second place to Carson in Iowa for the last month.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 10:29 AM  

He's not. Do you not understand what amnesty is? 'Send everyone here illegally back home. If they'd like to apply again, they have to do so through legal channels. We will control how many come here, and of the ones who do, we will weed out any criminals, people looking for welfare, and more.' is not that.

Is that a direct quote from trump?

OpenID paworldandtimes October 27, 2015 10:45 AM  

Iowa predicted the GOP nominee 3 out of the last 7 elections, inclung Pat Robertson once. The state skews evangelical and this time that's Carson's role to play.

Carson is also getting votes from cucks who feel bad about all those mean things they've said about Obama.

-PA

Blogger Rabbi B October 27, 2015 10:49 AM  

"The unstoppable Trumpkrieg has been in second place to Carson in Iowa for the last month."

The good doctor is going to save us all, because: Prayer Breakfast Speech. But, then again, speeches worked out pretty well for Obama.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 10:53 AM  

Carson is also getting votes from cucks who feel bad about all those mean things they've said about Obama.

If you look at why Iowa voters like Carson, it has nothing to do with feeling bad about being mean to Obama. They hate Obama.

Blogger Quadko October 27, 2015 10:53 AM  

I remember George W. Bush being a weak candidate and squishy new president. It was only his 9/11 response and focus that earned my deep respect. Jeb Bush running a similar pre-9/11 campaign in a post-9/11 etc. world disqualifies him right there.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 10:57 AM  

Jeb Bush running a similar pre-9/11 campaign in a post-9/11 etc. world disqualifies him right there.

You know Jeb also wants to bomb the scary brown foreigners, don't you?

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 11:00 AM  

@36

Only half of them.

The other half he wants to invite in to replace the scary white natives.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 11:04 AM  

The other half he wants to invite in to replace the scary white natives.

So did W and pappy.

Blogger Student in Blue October 27, 2015 11:12 AM  

So did W and pappy.

So you're agreeing with Quadko's point, that he's running the same campaign in a completely different environment?

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 11:17 AM  

So you're agreeing with Quadko's point, that he's running the same campaign in a completely different environment?

No, I think the whole post 9/11 world notion is just horseshit.

Blogger Sevron October 27, 2015 11:18 AM  

It's been interesting listening to different pundits try to catch on to the fact that Trump is popular because of our white-hot fury with the GOPe. I think Ben Shapiro caught on to it first, but it even took him way too long. It was hilarious listening to Dr. Drew try to figure it out- he sounded so bewildered and confused, like he couldn't fathom why anybody would object to rampant immigration and a party that lies to you.

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 11:18 AM  

It's obviously post-9/11 campaign. The Bush machine didn't deploy exclamation marks until 2003.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 27, 2015 11:19 AM  

The GOP has always had a deep ideological division between the Plutocratic and Populist wings of the party. This goes back to the days of Lincoln, it's inherent in the party structure.

What's going on this time is a shift in the political polarities. Big Business discovered crony capitalism...and the Democrats are the party of cronyism. GOP leadership hasn't figured this out yet. Or the implications. If you can't outbid the Dems for Big Business (and you can't), you are in a much stronger position to stand up for skilled craftsmen, professionals, and small businessmen. The Payer class who get shafted by both sides right now.

It doesn't help that the GOP leadership spends its time in Washington. Inside the Beltway is a political environment comparable to Berkley...rabidly leftist with no connection to reality.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 11:21 AM  

Big Business discovered crony capitalism...and the Democrats are the party of cronyism.

Both parties are.

Blogger VFM 188 October 27, 2015 11:23 AM  

I admire Dr. Carson, wish him the best, and even like domr of his positions and his willingness to speak forthrightly. But anyone who chooses him over an individual who's been running a multi-billion dollar international enterprise for decades is not thinking clearly. Which of the two men has demonstrated toughness and executive ability, including crucially, running large projects, living in the midst of the media glare, choosing the best lieutenants to implement his orders, etc.? Indeed, which of the two men will best withstand the concentrated efforts of the parasite classes and their media servants to "turn" him once he gets into office?

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 27, 2015 11:24 AM  

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Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 27, 2015 11:26 AM  

So Trump's biggest campaign expense is hats and t-shirts, he's cut a few YouTube ads, and Carson's Superpacs are campaigning hard for him in Iowa while he goes around hawking his latest book. And none of the other dozen or so are even in the same ballpark as these two with their tens of millions spent. Funny that.

Carson is in no way a serious candidate. It's obvious from watching him speak that he's really not that bright and he's not a conservative. But he's credentialed. Just wait until the evangelicals actually start vetting him instead of just posting their stupid Facebook memes. What? He has ties to Farrakhan!? He a SDA?? He only registered as a Republican last Halloween!? But he heals children!!!

I especially love those who think Trump isn't conservative enough but X is, where X != Ted Cruz.
Or, he donated heavily to Democrats but political whore Y is my guy!
Or the cardinal sin of presidential politics is mocking someone and so they'll never support Trump and would watch as Hillary "Bimbo Eruption War Room" Clinton takes office and wonder what went wrong. You did, cucky.

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 11:30 AM  

Colon Powell
Michael Steele
Ben Carson

"The Democrats are the real racists" is a foolproof plan.

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 11:32 AM  

@47

Carson fulfills the American Dream that a black man can be a doctor not just play one on TV.

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 11:33 AM  

I guess they are hoping that can transfer itself to the presidency.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 27, 2015 11:40 AM  

@Alexander
"Carson fulfills the American Dream that a black man can be a doctor not just play one on TV."

>In before BGS<

True. I'm curious about his actual record though.

I've seen allusions to medical malpractice and that he *led* the team of surgeons who did that big impressive conjoined twins thing, but what is his actual personal record. You know, things that would be brought up in a Clinton- or Obama-style matchup. Any personal failings?

Trump has been through it and can handwave it away (as a 70-yo rich, accomplished alpha male no fucks would be given.) Carson hasn't.

And now Jeb! is turning on Rubio to take him out and consolidate up to 10%. It wasn't supposed to be like this - Rubio was supposed to fade and drop out, not Jeb!

OpenID Steve October 27, 2015 11:42 AM  

Carson is spending money like a drunken NFL player. http://fortune.com/2015/10/19/ben-carson-fundraising/
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-luxury-campaign-spending-214863
"There’s also the matter of what Politico has called Carson’s “appetite for the good life.” It points out that he has spent thousands of dollars on swanky hotels and steak dinners, helping to contribute to a “burn rate” that is among the highest in the Republican field."

Trump gets more from a single Tweet than Carson gets for burning piles of cash.


the Gaystapo will start dragging people into their beds

They will actually try sneaking in your window.

Carson is also getting votes from cucks who feel bad about all those mean things they've said about Obama.

The cucks want anyone but Trump. They know they can probably bribe anyone else.

BGS

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 11:43 AM  

Carson is in no way a serious candidate. It's obvious from watching him speak that he's really not that bright and he's not a conservative. But he's credentialed.

Trump is in no way a serious candidate. It's obvious from watching him speak that he's really not that bright and he's not a conservative. But he's credentialed.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery October 27, 2015 11:47 AM  

Ben Carson looks like a Niceguy.

That's not a good thing. You don't need President Urkel. You need President Ironballs McGingerbastard.

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 11:49 AM  

@52

Rubio was in too early. The Dems are the Real Racists has not yet fully shifted: Negro Amigo still emphasizes the Negro part of the equation.

So Marco and Jeb! are competing for the same slice of pro-hispanic cuckservatives which doesn't yet encompass the majority of the Magic Minority crowd. And Marco needs to realize establishments have queues and so it's Bush's turn but maybe in 2024.

I would have thought a denizen of Miami would understand the concept of the Velvet Rope.

OpenID Steve October 27, 2015 11:49 AM  

@47Carson fulfills the American Dream that a black man can be a doctor not just play one on TV.

Yea now that all hospitals have computerized that black doctor that malpracticed himself with a med error to death might have survived. I do not personally know any black doctor that I have not seen commit malpractice/negligence including one from an ER visit as a patient who misread an x-ray, but luckily gave me more time off than if read correctly. I actually realized he was wrong and that I didn't have a broken bone but the treatment wouldn't hurt.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell October 27, 2015 11:52 AM  

The GOPe believes that the US is ran one way, with this sort of proposition nation country that needs shown the way through free markets, where in fact it's really a series of nations pitted against the founding nation.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 27, 2015 11:52 AM  

Trump's biggest advantage is that he's already got a media persona. Is already established in the public mind as The Great Tycoon. It'll make it FAR harder to demonize him.

That, and his treatment of the press may be one of the best case studies in Game extant.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 11:55 AM  

I've seen allusions to medical malpractice and that he *led* the team of surgeons who did that big impressive conjoined twins thing, but what is his actual personal record. You know, things that would be brought up in a Clinton- or Obama-style matchup. Any personal failings?

I think punched someone when he was 14?

Blogger Nate October 27, 2015 11:58 AM  

"Carson is in no way a serious candidate. It's obvious from watching him speak that he's really not that bright and he's not a conservative. But he's credentialed."

Dude.

Shut up.

Carson would be a terrible president.. but if anything its because he's to smart. Not not smart enough. Jesus there is no such thing as a mid-wit neuro-surgeon.

OpenID Jack Amok October 27, 2015 11:58 AM  

The fact that they are just clueless was a bit of a shock to me because they are supposed to be our best and brightest.

Best and brightest? I used to think a few of them were vaguely honorable, but I never thought they were smart. Not the way they were constantly out-maneuvered by the towering intellects of Barney Frank and Bill Clinton. Not they way they could win elections and still never get anything done.

For generations, America's best leaders and problem solvers went into business and left politics to the second and third stringers. But the rise of the regulatory state allowed the second stringers to gain too much control. Crony capitalism is freezing the new "best" out of business and so they'll turn their attention to politics. And they'll do to the established political order what their forerunners used to do to established businesses.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 27, 2015 11:59 AM  

Just wait until the evangelicals actually start vetting [Carson]

You must be joking. Why would they do that?

Blogger Nate October 27, 2015 12:00 PM  

""The Democrats are the real racists" is a foolproof plan."

You left out Alan Keyes

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 12:00 PM  

Carson would be a terrible president.. but if anything its because he's to smart. Not not smart enough. Jesus there is no such thing as a mid-wit neuro-surgeon.

Nate, we all know that there's affirmative action in the medical field, but wouldn't it be less likely in neurosurgery because of the risks and liability?

Blogger Student in Blue October 27, 2015 12:01 PM  

And they'll do to the established political order what their forerunners used to do to established businesses.

...make themselves tons of money in legal and quasi-legal ways?

Well, that'd certainly be a step up from outright illegal ways.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2015 12:04 PM  

"Nate, we all know that there's affirmative action in the medical field, but wouldn't it be less likely in neurosurgery because of the risks and liability?"

its not that. Its the culture. Surgeons is an insanely masculine field. Its purely results oriented to a degree most wouldn't believe today. If you have don't have great hands... no one gives a damn about you. period.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 12:09 PM  

its not that. Its the culture. Surgeons is an insanely masculine field. Its purely results oriented to a degree most wouldn't believe today. If you have don't have great hands... no one gives a damn about you. period.

Thanks for clarifying.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 27, 2015 12:11 PM  

Carson's weak point is national security. We don't have an honest-to-goodness expert in the race (though if nominated, I will accept), so the willingness to fight has to substitute. I don't see Carson as willing to order the use of nuclear weapons.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 12:14 PM  

Carson's weak point is national security. We don't have an honest-to-goodness expert in the race (though if nominated, I will accept), so the willingness to fight has to substitute. I don't see Carson as willing to order the use of nuclear weapons.

The field is full of hawks. Lindsey Graham is a super hawk. Carly Fiorina is a super hawk.

Carson is pro war and pro torture, I'm sure he'll order enough bombing raids on hospitals and weddings to satisfy you.

Blogger Arborist (#0232) October 27, 2015 12:15 PM  

Carson has other weak points, including economics:

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/elections/full-interview-dr-ben-carson-economy

Blogger Rabbi B October 27, 2015 12:40 PM  

Carson's weak point is . . . Carson.

OpenID paworldandtimes October 27, 2015 12:43 PM  

Speaking of the words "out of touch," credit is due to Clinton campaign writers in 1992. VP candidate Al Gore was doing a rally with the band REM and said: "George Bush is out of time and Bill Clinton is automatic for the people."

-PA

Blogger Mindstorm October 27, 2015 12:45 PM  

@48 Alexander
I can't believe than anybody would name his son Colon. It's cruel.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 12:51 PM  

I can't believe than anybody would name his son Colon. It's cruel.

Shitty thing to do, tbh

Blogger Cyclone Bob October 27, 2015 12:54 PM  

Josh: I think punched someone when he was 14?

You misspelled 'stabbed'.

Blogger Dexter October 27, 2015 1:01 PM  

I can't believe than anybody would name his son Colon. It's cruel.

Must be a southern thing. Like naming your boy Anus.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 1:04 PM  

You misspelled 'stabbed'.

Yeah, I couldn't remember if he punched or stabbed someone.

OpenID Steve October 27, 2015 1:35 PM  

I think punched someone when he was 14? With a punch dagger?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/politics/ben-carson-violent-past-donald-trump/index.html

Washington (CNN)—Ben Carson says he's soft-spoken now -- but he hasn't always been so calm.

"As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers. And, of course, many people know the story when I was 14 and I tried to stab someone," Carson said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Trump is in no way a serious candidate. It's obvious from watching him speak that he's really not that bright

His ability to come back with withering remarks shows he is smart. Perhaps you have drank too much of the dumb blond/ genius Black kooooooool aid.

Related my review of the first episode of Super Coal Burner Girl In the first episode not only does she fall for a black jimmy Olsen, but she meets more majik genius negros than existed in the film The Martian. General Zod is now a woman or possible tranny. Super Coal Burner's cover ID is being the assistant from Devil Wears Prada, more wounded by a comment about badly made coffee than being knocked through a brick wall.

Surgeons is an insanely masculine field. Its purely results oriented to a degree most wouldn't believe today. If you have don't have great hand

I would say the ability to stand still for long periods of time is why women avoid the field. General surgeons have to be great, the specialized surgeons basically do the same set of surgeries on a regular basis. As in most places if you can't fire someone you promote them to a management position that they wont touch patients(like being in charge of 70 DRs). The woman whose government job it is to market science for women has 3 stem degrees but works a marketing job because you can get paid for drinking coffee all day. Every hospital in the US has at least one surgeon whose wife divorced him because she could enjoy 1/2 of his pay better without having to deal with his schedule, " We are not leaving the opera just because some school bus had an accident"

If I had to have surgery I would want the a-hole surgeon that makes nurses cry, over the "everyone's friend" sloppy surgeon. Please note Nicholas Stix does regular postings of the Die Verse failures in Medicine.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 27, 2015 1:38 PM  

The Keynesian economic credit card will be continued to slide forevermore!

I remain endlessly entertained at the neoconned agenda, for-in' aid combined with pro bank talk while magically paying down debt with money post america does not have?! Trump strikes a cord regarding immigration while Sanders states anything in his meme as immoral! What true life comedy.

Meanwhile no one is allowed to have real debates, Rand Paul is the best choice and economics is the top issue or its immigration as a large issue - we cannot afford to silence econo and immigration topics including the end of care life that faces our dearly beloved baby boomers. I love our elders but their lives reflect age and decline; difficult scene, complex decisions.

(As for why they are not wanted in the labor farce, I don't know but so far I look really normal in abnormal country where few can PASS a simple drug test. Meanwhile my health is failing and my insurance is crazy. Even I've had to do the worst; go into debt for my health when I'm denied reasonable low cost solutions to my problems. Meanwhile part 4 or 5, I am not allowed to state the healthcare, economic and immigration problems without being called racist. Our host is correct; MPAI!)

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 1:40 PM  

His ability to come back with withering remarks shows he is smart. Perhaps you have drank too much of the dumb blond/ genius Black kooooooool aid.

Yeah, clearly.

Look at my entire comment for context.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 27, 2015 1:54 PM  

@68 Hammerli280
I don't see Carson as willing to order the use of nuclear weapons.
---

Not even a surgical strike?

Blogger Dewave October 27, 2015 2:06 PM  

Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, has a series of blog posts detailing the masterful way in which Trump deploys the arts of framing and persuasion. It reminded me of what I read on some Game blogs.

Adams predicts a Trump victory by a landslide, FWIW.

Blogger James Dixon October 27, 2015 2:23 PM  

> Carson would be a terrible president.. but if anything its because he's to smart. Not not smart enough. Jesus there is no such thing as a mid-wit neuro-surgeon.

I'm very much afraid Carson would be the Republican Jimmy Carter.

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 2:25 PM  

@78

Finding a black man who was willing to be a neurosurgeon in real life and also willing to say with a straight face that Dems are the real racists was a miracle in itself; expecting him to have refrained from spending his teenage years chasing the neighbors with knives and baseball bats...

You might as well demand the Republicans field the first Chinese-Iroquois Unicorn for president.

I'm sure Ben Carson did just fine in what is already a challenging field, and such a nice intelligent black man would be an excellent leader (with an appropriate security force) for any of the umpteen black countries in the world. But the idea that the magic minority is going to save the day at a time when our most pressing issue is the demographic tipping point and associated abandonment of our ethnic heritage is a catastrophe waiting to happen.

Trump doesn't have to want to do any of the things he's alluding to doing - he just has to stir up white sentiment enough that he doesn't have a choice.

Another year of the spectator sport that is Europe combined with more K-style combativeness and there's a slim possibility we might actually get that.

Which is more than we'll get from the African, Cuban, or Mexican still in the race.

Blogger ncartist October 27, 2015 2:32 PM  

"The unstoppable Trumpkrieg has been in second place to Carson in Iowa for the last month."


No more "Magic Negroes."

Blogger Jay Lucas October 27, 2015 2:34 PM  

"The Democrats are the real racists" is a foolproof plan.

Not sure if this is ironic... Oh well.

The Bill Maher joke is "the last time the Republicans had that many blacks on a stage they were selling them." That's from someone who majored in English and History at Cornell University.

Yes, it's plainly racist to pretend your opponent is only using black people to pretend they're not racist, then insist on diversity quotas. But intellectual hurdles like that only apply to those with their feet on the ground. As the High in Higher Education implies, most college students have yet to land and face those hurdles... even as they reach their middle sixties.

Jesus there is no such thing as a mid-wit neuro-surgeon.

But brains age, decay and clog. I used to edit science papers for science students and ESL types in college. They're repeat customers. My chemical engineer buddy had about the same composition skills when he emailed me about his upcoming wedding as he did in the tenth grade.

Think of that English major that's regressed to 6th grade math by age 25... Then add thirty or forty years of "specialization" in medieval french poetry. Smart or stupid, do you want him to build a bridge?

Does Ben Carson understand what the debt ceiling is?

And if he doesn't, does he understand that he doesn't?

Thankfully, he has to win a popularity contest for it to matter, so we'll never find out.

The cucks want anyone but Trump. They know they can probably bribe anyone else.

This is it. Trump might be a creature, but he's potentially his own creature. That's always a problem.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 27, 2015 2:40 PM  

There is still someone in government who respects the constitution.

Will no one rid Obama of this meddlesome white guy?

Blogger Student in Blue October 27, 2015 2:45 PM  

Will no one rid Obama of this meddlesome white guy?

Why would he, when the meddlesome white guy is striking at Clinton and her base?

I remember hearing mutterings somewhere that Obama's tried/trying to make his own power bloc independent of the Clintons.

Blogger Alexander October 27, 2015 3:01 PM  

@86

I don't care to get into who is or who isn't being the biggest raciss. Frankly we've reached a point where I don't give a shit if a candidate is a racist as long as he's not racist towards me and mine.

What I do know though is that the Republicans claiming Dems are the real racists is as useless a strategy as demanding the various wings bend over and vote for the candidate decreed the most electable.

Blogger 罗臻 October 27, 2015 3:38 PM  

@27

How out of touch does a person have to be to not even know what amnesty -is-?

Trump said they can "come right back in" implying that his big beautiful door will be a revolving door. The goal of illegal aliens is to stay and work in America. Allowing them to stay and work in America is amnesty. Deporting them never letting them come back or putting them at the back of the line is punishment.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2015 3:40 PM  

I remember hearing mutterings somewhere that Obama's tried/trying to make his own power bloc independent of the Clintons.

I don't expect Obama to be politically active once he leaves office.

Blogger James Dixon October 27, 2015 3:46 PM  

> I don't expect Obama to be politically active once he leaves office.

I expect he'll stay an active fund raiser, but that's all.

Blogger YIH October 27, 2015 4:46 PM  

@64 Nate:
You left out Alan Keyes.
*shudder* Thanks for reminding me. That voice is enough to strip paint.
Didn't you forget someone?
Herman Coon that great businessman?

Blogger YIH October 27, 2015 5:33 PM  

@83 James Dixon:
I'm very much afraid Carson would be the Republican Jimmy Carter.
Shrub already claimed that title.

Blogger YIH October 27, 2015 5:36 PM  

@92 James Dixon:
I expect he'll stay an active fund raiser, but that's all.
My moneys on 'divorce the gorilla and come out of the closet'.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 27, 2015 5:52 PM  

My moneys on 'divorce the gorilla and come out of the closet'.

You don't think he will go for Jennerization?

Blogger Chris Mallory October 27, 2015 6:05 PM  

@94 "I'm very much afraid Carson would be the Republican Jimmy Carter.
Shrub already claimed that title."

Carter is a decent human being and probably the last Christian who will ever hold the office of US President. With his squandering of American lives in unwinnable wars and a massive increase in the size of the Federal government, Bush the Lesser has more in common with LBJ.

Blogger #0379 October 27, 2015 7:25 PM  

87. Anonymous Robot October 27, 2015 2:40 PM
There is still someone in government who respects the constitution.
Will no one rid Obama of this meddlesome white guy?


He better stay away from nail guns!
.

Blogger Kirk Parker October 27, 2015 9:22 PM  

"Carter is a decent human being "

His post-presidential career gives lie to that. Yes, I know, Habitat Habitat habitat.... but what about all the cozying-up-to / running-interference-for brutal dictators? Bah.

OpenID Steve October 27, 2015 10:19 PM  

I expect he'll stay an active fund raiser, but that's all.My moneys on 'divorce the gorilla and come out of the closet'

My money is on Moochelle admitting to be born male and still having the original equipment.
-BigGaySteve.


Tonight's flash had the new firestorm be a black guy. Much harder to believe in a flying flaming black guy is a black quarterback with a 4.0 GPA not going to college because of a leg injury. Hell Harvard would have HR women blow him every day if he went there for a free ride if he had a 3.0 without cheating.

Blogger Dr. J October 27, 2015 11:11 PM  

Wonderful thread on Vox Popoli. If nothing else, it serves as a nice ego boost to surgeons. And after a long stretch like I've had, very much appreciated.

I'll add that given Carson's age, he excelled in surgery before affirmative action had really taken hold of our profession. It truly has been one of the last hold-outs to SJW pressure, and only in the last decade has it finally succumbed. We physicians have been utter fools, thinking ourselves above the fray of HMOs, Medicare and the new bloated ACOs. Too late have we realized our errors, as the nascent physician-owned hospital model was killed in its infancy by the AHA and Barrycare.

That said, Carson would be the typical moderate disaster as president. For better or worse, Trump is and will be the last viable anti-establishment candidate. The Ryan-led faction of the GOP is headed for the ash-heap. The social mood has grown combative, and Trump epitomizes the mood of the day.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 28, 2015 2:20 AM  

@Josh
"Trump is in no way a serious candidate. It's obvious from watching him speak that he's really not that bright and he's not a conservative. But he's credentialed."
He doesn't watch every word like a career politician but he is a master of persuasion, his credentials come from his accomplishments, he's upset the establishment multi-year plans, is leading the field without advertising, and has commanded huge amounts of earned media. Carson is on a book tour while a bunch of superpacs are raising money and advertising on his name.

@Nate
"Jesus there is no such thing as a mid-wit neuro-surgeon."
I also didn't think there was such a thing as a mid-wit astrophysicist but diversity proved me wrong.

But fair enough, let me refine that. He may be a super genius in the classroom or the hospital but It's clear from listening to him that in the fields of economics and politics - i.e. the current context - he hasn't put in the requisite hours and he comes across as unread and unfocused. He spews bromides and platitudes and shallow process prescriptions. He's running on accomplishments orthogonal to the job he's seeking and trying to learn on the road. His supposed brilliance is not translating into him sounding either politically smart or wise than.

On paper it looks like Carson was a competent to superb surgeon but was he actually? Dr. J indicates his entry into the field probably wasn't a diversity thing, but he was promoted to head a dept at 33 - was it to recognize his talent or get him away from patients or to check off a box or just fill an opening? Did he have more malpractice suits than expected and if so why? All can seem to find about his career are fluff pieces. So, yeah, I'm more than a tad skeptical.

But prove me wrong. Link me a video of him coming off as having a 150+ IQ, or "too smart" to be President. I've watched a number but haven't seen anything that puts him above midwit yet. It's not just the patterns of his speech, it's the content and depth of ideas.

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Blogger Wormwood October 28, 2015 6:46 AM  

The greatest sin is to believe your own propaganda.

Blogger VFM 188 October 28, 2015 7:04 AM  

What if the "propaganda" is true? What if attackers feign perceptions of "propaganda" to advance their own agenda, one in which truth is secondary, or less?

Blogger Josh October 28, 2015 8:06 AM  

But fair enough, let me refine that. He may be a super genius in the classroom or the hospital but It's clear from listening to him that in the fields of economics and politics - i.e. the current context - he hasn't put in the requisite hours and he comes across as unread and unfocused. He spews bromides and platitudes and shallow process prescriptions. He's running on accomplishments orthogonal to the job he's seeking and trying to learn on the road. His supposed brilliance is not translating into him sounding either politically smart or wise than.

Everything you just said applies equally to Trump.

Anonymous Neal DaGreasy Tyson October 28, 2015 8:28 AM  

I also didn't think there was such a thing as a mid-wit astrophysicist but diversity proved me wrong.

That afrophysicist, bigots...

Blogger Chris Mallory October 28, 2015 9:24 AM  

@100 "Tonight's flash had the new firestorm be a black guy."

According to Wiki, he has been black since 2004. But it is DC, so there have been several reboots and gestalts.

Blogger VFM 188 October 28, 2015 10:03 AM  

@106, Josh: Dude. What part of building and running a multi-billion dollar international business empire for 40 years, built mainly on real estate and management services, which included employing thousands upon thousands of workers at all levels, all while being relentlessly spotlighted by a relentlessly hostile mainstream media...is orthogonal to political leadership?

Compromise?

Blogger SciVo October 30, 2015 2:35 AM  

Josh @91: I don't expect Obama to be politically active once he leaves office.

I expect him to remain about as "politically active" as he is now, flying around the world golfing and giving speeches. If a Democrat wins he can probably finagle an honorary ambassador-at-large kind of post to do it all on the taxpayer's dime, if not he can charge for the speeches that he would've given anyway for the narcissistic fuel.

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