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Friday, October 02, 2015

Peeple is fair play

I'm very amused by the widespread fear of this new app that will permit people to be rated being expressed:
You can already rate restaurants, hotels, movies, college classes, government agencies and bowel movements online.

So the most surprising thing about Peeple — basically Yelp, but for humans — may be the fact that no one has yet had the gall to launch something like it.

When the app does launch, probably in late November, you will be able to assign reviews and one- to five-star ratings to everyone you know: your exes, your co-workers, the old guy who lives next door. You can’t opt out — once someone puts your name in the Peeple system, it’s there unless you violate the site’s terms of service. And you can’t delete bad or biased reviews — that would defeat the whole purpose.

Imagine every interaction you’ve ever had suddenly open to the scrutiny of the Internet public.
Congratulations, world. Now everyone online will discover what my life has been like since 2001. And to be honest, it's really not a big deal as long as you don't have a problem with people not liking you. You'll soon find that you are defined by your enemies as well as by your friends, and the more idiotic your enemies are, the better you look to the sort of intelligent, open-minded individuals whose opinions actually matter.

I welcome Peeple, as I've never been a fan of the cowards who think they can attack you because you are a public figure, but then start whining that it is unfair and you are "doxxing" them by posting links to their online, publicly accessible posts the moment you strike back at them. But lack of an audience is not synonymous with privacy and the moment you post anything online about anyone, you are a fair target for their online reprisals.

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145 Comments:

Blogger Nate October 02, 2015 8:09 AM  

I can't wait to see the reviews on the guys from Nickleback.

Blogger Tank October 02, 2015 8:15 AM  

Prediction: This will be good for lawyers.

Too bad for you lawyer haters.

Blogger Salt October 02, 2015 8:16 AM  

This smacks me as a coming bitch-fest; an end to polite society. The amount of he said - she said unsubstantiated bullshit should be entertaining, till the app gets sued.

OpenID anonymos-coward October 02, 2015 8:19 AM  

it’s there unless you violate the site’s terms of service
Should be easy enough to game this: post something raciss or homophobic or equally problematic and viola, back to enjoying privacy like a boss.

Blogger Cinco October 02, 2015 8:21 AM  

I had always thought that an app like this existed!? A year ago, I told a friend that we ought to have an app for military members to rate their leadership. In effect it would be a way to help ensure that tactically incompetent leaders and cowards never led men into battle again. Grant it, it was smaller in scope that Peeple, but generally the same idea.

One day I am going to jump on one of my great ideas.

Blogger Jack Aubrey October 02, 2015 8:23 AM  

Just think of how we will be able to trigger anyone subject to the feelbadz.

Blogger Copperheaded October 02, 2015 8:37 AM  

it's really not a big deal as long as you don't have a problem with people not liking you

And this is why this app will be banned.

OpenID aegis-1080 October 02, 2015 8:38 AM  

This app will make the Soviet Union look like a defender of privacy. And of course that it was the idea of a Marketing cunt.

With all the calls of "end online anonymity", the morons that supported social media witch hunts and wanted to always live like teenagers are going to get what they wanted. They are going to get it good and hard.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2015 8:42 AM  

so... we'll all be able to leave reviews for Scalzi saying he's a rapist?

Blogger Joseph Maroney October 02, 2015 8:42 AM  

Polite society is already ended. The reason this app took so many years to come out isn't because it's never crossed anyone's mind before, it's that it took awhile for somebody depraved enough to do it.

Blogger Alexander Thompson October 02, 2015 8:43 AM  

I don't have that much sympathy for anonymous. They basically want the right to attack people with no repercussions.

Although I don't think this site will last long.

Blogger George Zipp October 02, 2015 8:44 AM  

No need to worry. This app will be banned when Hitler receives an A+ rating.

Blogger Daniel October 02, 2015 8:46 AM  

Aw shucks. I'm an omega. Looks like my life is just about to stay exactly the same.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 02, 2015 8:56 AM  

Just more shit by the modern age. No true man would engage in this crap, It is just more narcissism and sanctioned gossip. Unchristian. Unwestern. It should be banned.

Blogger Joshua_D October 02, 2015 8:58 AM  

"To review someone, you must be 21 and have an established Facebook account, and you must make reviews under your real name."

Phew! At least they have some decent security requirements. It would be bad if people set up fake accounts to post fake reviews of people!

Blogger Unknown October 02, 2015 9:00 AM  

Yah ummm....the idea of letting people comments stand not matter good or bad will last about as long as a tub of Ben & Jerrys at a feminist sleep over party. So what happens when guys starting posting on the slutty activities of these princesses. My guess is the founders (women go figure) will find a reason to limit the type of comments. Book it!

Blogger Nate October 02, 2015 9:04 AM  

"Unchristian. Unwestern. It should be banned."

Yes... because western civilization is built on the concept of banning everything you do not like.

Blogger Student in Blue October 02, 2015 9:07 AM  

Yeah I can't see this app getting far without some major changes, due to Feelbads.

Unchristian. Unwestern.

Unchristian it may be, Unwestern it certainly *isn't*. This app is a product of the times and is as Western (civilization) as can be.

It should be banned.

Banning it wouldn't change the moral landscape it sprang from. It wouldn't change a damn thing and is just a waste of effort.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 9:12 AM  

"And to be honest, it's really not a big deal as long as you don't have a problem with people not liking you.

The eighth deadly sin.

Blogger Lulabelle October 02, 2015 9:13 AM  

"It should be banned."
Wheeler.......really?
How 'bout just ignoring it? That's my plan.

OpenID weambulance October 02, 2015 9:14 AM  

I see loads of idiots being sued for libel in the near future.

Blogger HardReturn¶ October 02, 2015 9:19 AM  

"We don't care."
Behold the power of ambivalence; beyond the ken of group-thinking rabbits.

Blogger Earl October 02, 2015 9:21 AM  

Search Profile: "Aunt Betty"

We found 1 match.

Aunt Betty regularly defends butchering unborn children and selling their body parts. She also voted for Obama twice, and the second time got very drunk and gloated on Facebook for hours telling us Republicans to "get behind the President" and so on. She has called people who fly the Confederate flag "racist hateful traitors" and insists that, although Aunty is an atheist, God was on the side of the Union.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 02, 2015 9:22 AM  

"I don't have that much sympathy for anonymous. They basically want the right to attack people with no repercussions. "

I use a pseudonym to discuss non-PC ideas that my have repercussions for employment and relationships. Since you can't expect to have a private conversation online that won't be recorded the next best step is to anonymize yourself.

Or, I guess in your view, I could just not have those conversations because badthinkz are bad.

I want to defend my right to interact with people without every side conversation being instantly searchable in perpetuity by the whole world and the state.

Blogger Raziel Walker October 02, 2015 9:26 AM  

Can't see much wrong with this app.
Sure it might be open to some abuse but as EVE players would say: HTFU.

If you don't want to know there are people that dislike you, don't use the app.
If you really care that much about the opinion of others you can always try to imrpove your behaviour. (I think the SJW crowd as designated by VD will not like the app, they care about PC and the image they project in public.)

Blogger Earl October 02, 2015 9:29 AM  

Search Profile: "Uncle Jimmy"

We found 1 match.

Uncle Jimmy is always drunk and high at holiday parties. He always brings up the latest DNC talking points at meal time. He is a holier-than-thou pacifist and a bleeding heart liberal, an anti-racist know-it-all. However, the more he drinks and smokes pot during the evening, the more likely he is to stray from the party line and make racist, sexist, homophobic, violent remarks. Uncle is, after all, a cis white hetero beardy male from San Francisco.

(Don't ask how I come up with this stuff)

Blogger Dago October 02, 2015 9:29 AM  

The really amusing thingbis that the two creators of it were asking for advice on how to stop people shitposting about their company.
It's not as if these two tech geniuses thought it through very well.

Blogger toadbile October 02, 2015 9:32 AM  

"He put his feet on the table, ate off my plate
and rifled through my purse. Best Date Ever!"
Yes, i am going to have fun posting reviews of myself.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 02, 2015 9:32 AM  

Being that the weak spot in the left is the leftists themselves it will have to be heavily censored

Blogger clk October 02, 2015 9:34 AM  

"While Peeple co-founder Julia Cordray told the Post in an interview that users would not be able to contest reviews after they went live, she later clarified by email that users can “report anything they deem inaccurate” to the site."

I think as this idea fleshes out they will realize that its a really bad idea and infact runs close to violating EU privacy laws and maybe even pending US laws. Its one thing to sign up for a site like FB or linkn ect and then be rated by others that also signed up but in this case a crazy could post anything on anyone ... their neighbor, paperboy...

"Now everyone online will discover what my life has been like since 2001" Think about where you are now as to where you would be if none of "it" happened -- you would be ghost writing star trek novels from a 1970's split level in Minnesota still hoping for the Vikings to win... These people, they have done you a great favor .. the more they attack, the more famous you become and the more inspired you become to create. You are blessed with the enemies you have.

Blogger daddynichol October 02, 2015 9:34 AM  

I would make my own entry:

"Obnoxious Fucker, prone to homicidal tendencies, owns large gun collection."

Your comments (and names) are welcome.

Blogger Earl October 02, 2015 9:36 AM  

Vox has been trying to come up with an answer to Wikipedia. Maybe we should start Wikiplebia, and make sure the editors are fully qualified Poasting Career veterans.

OpenID northernhamlet October 02, 2015 9:37 AM  

VD,

As a non-public figure, I always wonder what precautions someone in your position must take. I noted you hired security for the recent Gamergate meet up. Now, granted, you can handle yourself in a physical fight, and there's no need to go into specifics...

Q1: But do you ever worry about people simply showing up to your house?

I'd be jovial and crack some beers, but man... the mere thought of the intrusion keeps me out of the limelight.

Q2: How does your rancorous past not hurt you professionally?

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 October 02, 2015 9:38 AM  

@27 Dago - "It's not as if these two tech geniuses thought it through very well"

Sometimes your purpose in life is to serve as a cautionary tale to others.

Based on the brief info here, people will quickly learn how utterly radioactive this idea is, especially to the left. There will some collateral damage, but this could be a source of great amusement while it lasts.

Blogger CM October 02, 2015 9:39 AM  

"I don't have that much sympathy for anonymous. They basically want the right to attack people with no repercussions. "

I use a pseudonym to discuss non-PC ideas that my have repercussions for employment and relationships.


Some of the greatest crusaders for freedom wrote under pseudonyms.

While anonymous trolling is ridiculous, intelligent people shouldn't need names attached to discern if the content is worthy of thought.

Blogger Tallen October 02, 2015 9:41 AM  

Great, I look forward to labeling people "SJW" "Pseudo-dialectic poser" "Dialectic aspie" etc.

Blogger Geoff October 02, 2015 9:46 AM  

Social media sites like Facebook and Twitter are already used to measure popularity in terms number of followers.

Blogger VD October 02, 2015 9:48 AM  

But do you ever worry about people simply showing up to your house?

Not particularly. We have Ridgebacks, legal firearms, clear lines of fire, and friendly relations with the local, shall we say, "their thing".

How does your rancorous past not hurt you professionally?

It has. Repeatedly. I've had four book contracts offered, in one case actually signed, and then subsequently withdrawn. There are certain things I can't put on my resume because those with whom I've worked would prefer I did not. But I'm also very good at what I do and there aren't many others who do it.

And there are compensations. If I hadn't had the negative experiences with publishers, Castalia probably wouldn't exist. Every door that shuts inspires creativity and provides motivation.

Blogger Thomas Schauer October 02, 2015 9:51 AM  

Why do I have a hunch that anything even mildly critical of SJWs will be held "in moderation"? And that the same will not be true with respect to people like Vox, Wright, or Correia (if anything, I would guess the reverse would be true)?

OpenID northernhamlet October 02, 2015 9:53 AM  

I had a realization about 5 or 6 years ago...

I knew a 50 year old guy who used social media regularly. He had a lot of "friends" and some very minor success in life.

But he essentially acted like a 15 year old girl on Facebook (and generally really).

I realized that as I get older, any distinguish is lost as a man if you're on sites like Facebook. They exist only for validation and attention, which I need none of, especially at my age.

Blogger Harsh October 02, 2015 9:54 AM  

The day after it launches the wailing fatties will cry that a negative Peeple review is tantamount to rape.

OpenID northernhamlet October 02, 2015 10:01 AM  

VD,

If I may expand on this...

It has. Repeatedly. I've had four book contracts offered, in one case actually signed, and then subsequently withdrawn. There are certain things I can't put on my resume because those with whom I've worked would prefer I did not. But I'm also very good at what I do and there aren't many others who do it.

For men who are not very good at what they do (let's say, more average. The deltas.), the risk of being overly boisterous is often not worth taking, because of the consequences. Would you agree?

Blogger Josh October 02, 2015 10:01 AM  

Unchristian. Unwestern. It should be banned.

You are such a woman.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 10:06 AM  

"Imagine every interaction you’ve ever had suddenly open to the scrutiny of the Internet public."

A slander app, what could possibly go wrong? Another apt metaphor for the great culture we have become, where most of the news we hear and read today can be summed up as:

"I am so glad that shit didn't happen to me." .

Blogger Cail Corishev October 02, 2015 10:08 AM  

If you had a beef with someone, you could already post your opinion of the person all over the web, in many cases anonymously. As Vox said, people like him have been dealing with that for years. Companies hire people to search the web for negative mentions and look for ways to get them removed or push them down in the search engine rankings.

So this just looks like an attempt to centralize that kind of thing and profit on being a one-stop shop for it. Presumably it'll become SJW-controlled, if it's not from the start, and then it'll be like Wikipedia, used to whitewash some reputations while hurting others. And like Wikipedia, that bias will eventually cost it whatever respect it had earned (which probably won't be much) and it'll go away.

Blogger VD October 02, 2015 10:23 AM  

For men who are not very good at what they do (let's say, more average. The deltas.), the risk of being overly boisterous is often not worth taking, because of the consequences. Would you agree?

Yes. That's why I advise everyone hear to use pseudonyms, to avoid posting personal information, and to never put your children on the Internet in any way, shape, or form. It was never an option for me since I was already a sufficiently public figure before the Internet that I never had a choice.

The connection between my names was never hidden - it was in Rebel Moon - but few knew it until someone dug up an old interview I did with a gaming site that mentioned both names. Then my critics made sure to splash it everywhere sometime around 2004, if I recall correctly. So I just went with it and didn't worry about it.

OpenID karsten0 October 02, 2015 10:24 AM  

"You are such a woman.

No, he's not (for wanting it banned, I mean). In fact, I've never seen a more quintessential expression of the female mind than the devising of this app. It is the female obsession with gossiping, on steroids:

"And of course that it was the idea of a Marketing cunt."

Exactly. There's a reason why real men, historically, always had nothing but contempt for, and felt disgust at, women's penchant for gossip. It is intrinsically dishonourable and contemptible.

And yes, this app certainly it should be banned -- but so should much else in our society. It is a defending warrior's impulse to do so. One of the main reasons why Western culture used to keep itself unpolluted by the kind of ideological toxins that have brought it down is precisely because it was ready and willing to destroy invasive pathogens.

No wonder that once that impulse was destroyed (tactically destroyed, by our enemies), our culture was vulnerable to ideological infection.

Blogger luagha October 02, 2015 10:26 AM  

The word on the street from the tech side says that the Peeple people are incompetent and their app won't get out the door or will crash.

But now that the idea has been broached, someone will do it. There have already been those 'spend your money' sites out there which purport to keep track of conservative owned businesses (or otherwise) so you can choose not to spend your money there.

Blogger Tom K. October 02, 2015 10:27 AM  

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Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 02, 2015 10:31 AM  

I can see how the SJWs will love this.

And I can see how we can use it to make them hate it.

Blogger Quadko October 02, 2015 10:31 AM  

Goes to show too many people can't wait to install Big Brother over their lives willingly.

Blogger Tom K. October 02, 2015 10:34 AM  

It's worth noting that FB started out as an app to rate the women of Harvard. Had it stayed that it would have become "Peeple" ten years sooner.

I see an eternal feeding frenzy in our future. In the past, people lived in communities where they "belonged" and regulated their behaviors accordingly. If their behavior got too bad they would be forced to leave. But they could always begin anew someplace else because their "permanent record" couldn't follow them.

Not anymore! No more "reinventing yourself." No more second chances.

Or else we become experts at "identity transformation." I predict the rise of a brand new, billion dollar industry.

Actually, I see nothing good coming out of this. Therefore I predict very soon after launch people will adopt the "laissez faire" attitudes of earlier times. Like when the media tacitly agreed NOT to take pictures of Roosevelt in his wheelchair, report on Kennedy's dalliances or even JEdgar's predilection for wearing dresses and living with another man. Not that all of that was voluntary.

It's possible this idea will be strangled in its crib. Since no posts are anonymous the likelihood of reprisals will scare away most Trolls and SJWs.

I think this is a case of, we just have no way of seeing the consequences beforehand SO LETS DO IT!

OpenID Jack Amok October 02, 2015 10:37 AM  

By the time SJWs get done with all the sock-puppetting this app will spur, there won't be anything left to put on our feet. Just in time for winter too, the hateful bitches.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 10:42 AM  

"Goes to show too many people can't wait to install Big Brother over their lives willingly."

The popularity of Flatterbook, I mean Facebook, testifies to that truth.

It's compelling. People are in love with themselves.

Blogger Micah Kuriscak October 02, 2015 10:50 AM  

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OpenID Steve October 02, 2015 10:54 AM  

"I don't have that much sympathy for anonymous."

This app would make anyone who has reported healthcare fraud, especially at more than one place, unemployable. My time as a healthcare traveler helped bring me to reality faster. This could really suck for mandatory reporters of crime/abuse.

Would HR catreer ladies hire the following person with comments like these from people in other states?

"BGS gave the Inspector General instructions on how to find healthcare fraud by comparing 3 different sources, on his last week in the state. Every floor except the Units lost people, non-Asian minorities suffered worst." - signed- Felon BigmoneySpender

"BGS sent a letter to my State nursing board naming the nursing supervisor that covered up a nurse with a heplock in her leg, but only after he had another job site lined up"- signed-Nurse that went through the junkie nurse program but still stole patients narcs.

"BGS narced out me out for drugs by telling the parole officer of my "roommate" who recently got out of jail for kiddy fiddling that we had drug parties every Friday night for high school kids."-signed- 30+yo Ryan with black plastic sheets on all windows, pot posters on the walls, High Times subscription, 2 bedroom apartment that smelled like incense+ Bob Marley's A-Hole, that had more than 5 males sleeping in it when parole inspection came on a Saturday a little before noon.

"BGS got a black woman fired after he tried to explain she was wrong for arguing with a doctor for over 15min &refusing to let the DR talk to anyone else, because she said a piece of paper proved her right, when she didn't even know what the words on the paper said."- cunt that doesn't know the medical abbreviation for foreign body.

Blogger JartStar October 02, 2015 11:05 AM  

The rules are simple. Never post anything online that you wouldn't want your employer, spouse, extended family, church, and friends to see and know about. If you do this you likely don't have anything to worry about.

OpenID Steve October 02, 2015 11:07 AM  

The foreign body involved an incorrect surgical count on the weekend with radiology not answering their portable phone, with the entire OR team waiting, that got called in on call, for a film to be done to see if the PT had to be reopened. Incorrect surgical counts only happen a few times a year, but they are nothing to joke of.

Blogger Joshua_D October 02, 2015 11:20 AM  

Bwaahaahaa. I don't usually want to slap women, but I'd make an exception for this arrogant douchette.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/01/slander_app_founder_slandered/?mt=1443751745342

Blogger Jill October 02, 2015 11:35 AM  

Wow, so much fun. A giant bitch fest. I'm sure those who like that sort of thing will get into it, and the rest of us will just proceed with our lives as usual. Nothing to see here that hasn't already been seen.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 11:37 AM  

@59 Joshua_D

That didn't take long. I like how she was "surprised" to discover people slandering her online. Since she's the target, now it's *slander*. What an idiot.

Thanks for this. A great example of digging a pit for others only to fall into it yourself.

Awesome.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 11:39 AM  

The truth makes it so easy.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 02, 2015 11:42 AM  

To refute the charges that this Peeple thing is "Western" would get me banned from Vox Populi. Because I am forbidden to bring up certain subjects. We don't live under Western Culture or civilization. That is why they put the adjective "modern" in front of everything. We DON'T live in Western Culture. We live in Modern Western Culture. They are not the same thing. So no, 'Peeple" is not a part of true Western Culture. Sorry.

Modern architecture. Modern Poetry. Modern literature. Modern Western Culture. The use of the term 'modern' means it is something else.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 11:46 AM  

@63 W.LindsayWheeler

"So no, 'Peeple" is not a part of true Western Culture. Sorry."

It's a part of human, sinful culture that goes all the way back to the Garden. We just have access to technology which we have exploited to make it easier and more prolific.

OpenID Steve October 02, 2015 11:47 AM  

@59 Josh Maybe someone should be nice and cheer her up with some advice. Can someone with the app tell her that she could do a facial peel to get a better picture of herself to help sell the app, and she can photoshop her teeth whiter.-bgs

Blogger Jill October 02, 2015 11:54 AM  

W.LindsayWheeler, I'd like to know how you are defining Western Culture. All of these review sites are an extension of printing press culture...which exponentially increased literacy and the ability to write and produce journals and pamphlets. As printing increased, so did the gossip and fighting and scandal mongers. People were masters of snark by the mid 18th C. And then the internet, another Western technology, came around and became the pinnacle of a free-for-all info culture. Sure, even the printing press is kind of modern if you want to get right down to it. But it's still an offshoot of Western Culture.

Blogger David The Good October 02, 2015 11:56 AM  

daddynichol: "I would make my own entry: 'Obnoxious Fucker, prone to homicidal tendencies, owns large gun collection.'

I would add "and all of these are forgivable due to his rich and sultry radio voice."

Blogger Anthony October 02, 2015 11:58 AM  

Althouse had a nice take on this - compared it to the "slambooks" of old, pointed out that it was girls who did those, then posted a picture of the founders.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 02, 2015 12:02 PM  

@26 Earl
Search Profile: "Uncle Jimmy"

We found 1 match.
---

These are funny, I will try and come up with a few.


Search Profile: "Aunt Stephanie"

We found 1 match.

Although Uncle Stephen now identifies as Aunt Stephanie, he has a nice taste of dresses. He also spends most waking hours with ears to the news in hopes of hearing of a mass shooting. He joins CNN and such with a huge boner in hopes that it will be a right winger.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 02, 2015 12:06 PM  

@33 northernhamlet

How does your rancorous past not hurt you professionally?
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Not to answer for VD. I had a buddy who used to do wrestling, and I asked him a similar question. His response was:
"Sometimes, it's good to be the bad guy!"

Blogger Were-Puppy October 02, 2015 12:09 PM  

@41 Harsh
wailing fatties
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Around here we call that blubbering.

Blogger IM2L844 October 02, 2015 12:13 PM  

I expect the popularity of this app to explode among kids and SJWs who's worlds are relativistic where who likes who is of the utmost importance. Tad is gonna love it. Personally, I'm aboard the I don't care train, but the ensuing collaterals may turn out to be entertaining.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 02, 2015 12:19 PM  

@61 Rabbi B

Thanks for this. A great example of digging a pit for others only to fall into it yourself.
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This might become one of the greatest unforced errors of recent memory!

Blogger MycroftJones October 02, 2015 12:23 PM  

Leviticus 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.

Proverbs 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.

Proverbs 26:22 The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 12:33 PM  

@60 Jill,

Wow, so much fun. A giant bitch fest. I'm sure those who like that sort of thing will get into it, and the rest of us will just proceed with our lives as usual. Nothing to see here that hasn't already been seen.

See that's what I though about Facebook too, but anymore you can't get a job without one.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 12:37 PM  

@74 Mycroft Jones

Thanks for those.

The mouths of fools are their undoing,
and their lips are a snare to their very lives.

The words of a gossip are like choice morsels;
they go down to the inmost parts.

- Proverbs 18

@75. Aeoli Pera

See that's what I though about Facebook too, but anymore you can't get a job without one.

Why not?

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 12:40 PM  

that's what I though about Facebook too, but anymore you can't get a job without one.

Simply not true. I've never had a FB account, and I never will.

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 12:43 PM  

Realistically, they will be required, by a court of law, to allow you to opt out. Slander is a VERY expensive habit, and they will be participating in it. Even if they win, the class-action alone would bankrupt a much larger company. Can anyone say "reckless disregard for the truth?" I think you can.

Blogger IM2L844 October 02, 2015 12:45 PM  

@41 Harsh
wailing fatties
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Around here we call that blubbering.

Five stars!

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 12:53 PM  

I'll rephrase. It's more difficult to get a job without a FB, because it means you're a weird, antisocial person who mutters and will probably shoot up the place.

Anyway that's how it's perceived by the girls in HR. They aren't filling a job, they're expanding the community's culture with new friends.

Blogger Blue88 October 02, 2015 12:59 PM  

I believe this is, how you say, apropos.

https://youtu.be/CI4kiPaKfAE

Blogger Josh October 02, 2015 1:14 PM  

No, he's not (for wanting it banned, I mean).

If your initial reaction to something is "it should be banned," you're a woman.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 1:15 PM  

"I'll rephrase. It's more difficult to get a job without a FB, because it means you're a weird, antisocial person who mutters and will probably shoot up the place."

I have to admit, I am finding that assertion really hard to believe. Do you have any empirical support for the claim?

I have never had a Facebook account either, and except for email and primarily this blog, have avoid so-called social networks. I have interviewed numerous times and questions about Facebook or Li9nked-In, etc. have never come up once.

Misusing you your social media to misrepresent the company (like certain Tor employees we know of) may become an issue (unless you're employed by Tor), but as a tool for hiring . . . not so much.

Blogger kudzu bob October 02, 2015 1:16 PM  

It won't be long until someone gets killed because of something that gets posted on Peeple.

Blogger Student in Blue October 02, 2015 1:17 PM  

@Wheeler
To refute the charges that this Peeple thing is "Western" would get me banned from Vox Populi.

I appreciate your restraint. You did fine without delving back into that topic.

So no, 'Peeple" is not a part of true Western Culture. Sorry.

Modern architecture. Modern Poetry. Modern literature. Modern Western Culture. The use of the term 'modern' means it is something else.


That's just a No True Scotsman fallacy though. It may be Modern Western Culture, sure, but it's also *current* Western Culture, because the old culture has gotten shoved aside several years ago.

You don't like it, I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 1:21 PM  

If they're looking for you on FB, it's when they're at the stage of deciding who to hire, not at the stage of scheduling an interview. And if the girls in HR are part of that decision, I have less than zero desire to work there. It's a guarantee that it's overrun with idiot women, and that HR runs the place.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 1:35 PM  

I don't have much empirical evidence, and I already know that my situation is unusual (so my intuition will be poor here), but when I search for "job search social media" every single article says it's not optional.

""Social proof" is your public Internet activities - your public profiles and contributions - reviewed by recruiters, potential employers, and others. Without knowing you, those activities are proof of who you really are.

Social proof is very important for a successful job search, today."

http://www.job-hunt.org/social-networking/social-proof.shtml

“I was really excited to see how many job seekers are active on social media,” says Helene Cavalli, vice president of marketing at Lee Hecht Harrison. “As strong advocates, we spend a lot of time coaching job seekers on how to develop a solid social media strategy. While it isn’t the only strategy for finding a job, it’s becoming increasingly important.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2013/04/16/how-social-media-can-help-or-hurt-your-job-search/

Etc. Just do the search and you'll find similar stuff. There's a reason no one is advising radio silence as a reasonable alternative.

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 1:39 PM  

So, the kind of people who use social media a lot.... are advising that we use social media?

You really need to stop listening to marketing people. A job search is not marketing.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 1:42 PM  

if the girls in HR are part of that decision, I have less than zero desire to work there.

That's why I rephrased. If there's strong demand for your skills, all's well and good, but most job seekers aren't in strong demand or they would already have jobs. The fact remains that my age bracket is extremely underemployed at the moment.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 1:51 PM  

So, the kind of people who use social media a lot.... are advising that we use social media?

100% of employers check their applicants' Facebook pages. If they weren't affected by what they see, they wouldn't be so uniformly curious.

You can argue that they're just looking for negative stuff to make sure the person isn't an idiot, sure.

So let's imagine that an employer has three identical resumes. He/she/xe checks their Facebook pages. Applicant A regularly posts links to industry news, applicant B regularly posts links to Stormfront, and applicant C has no social media whatsoever. B is clearly an idiot, so that one goes in the bin. That leaves A, who has proven he is not an idiot, and C, who may or may not be an idiot. Applicant A gets the job, because why take the extra risk?

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 1:57 PM  

I don't take this stance strongly, because humans regularly confound my understanding, but so far it just seems logical that when there are many more job seekers than jobs, this seemingly irrelevant stuff suddenly has a very strong influence.

It's like pissing in a cup. You can refuse, but it's considered normal now so if you refuse that really limits your options unless your inbox is already overflowing with job offers.

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 2:09 PM  

@Aeoli
Applicant A is clearly maintaining his FB page for the use of potential employers, so it gets discounted. No-one else puts industry news on their social media pages. Applicant B clearly know how to keep his mouth shut, so there's that. But applicant B used to work at ABC corp. I know Duane, who used to work there. Let's call him and see what he thinks.

That's how it actually works. They're looking for negatives when looking at FB. Are you a party animal? Are all you pictures taken when you're drunk? Do you hang out on Stormfront or BVox Popli? Are you a tranny? Are you gay? Are you a Conservative? Are you a vertan? Are you a Christian? Are you a Pagan? Do you have cancer or mental illness?

All those questions you can't ask directly are often answered out there for the potential employer on social media. And a neutral FB page with little to no personal information doesn't answer them any more than a lack of FB.

'Believe it or not, a majority of people do not have facebook accounts, particularly in the technical fields. Being silly enough to waste time and destroy your privacy by using FB would be a negative in my current workplace.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 2:13 PM  

Better example: it's like having no credit history. You can still get a job if you don't have credit, but credit history checks are now a standard part of the automated background check employers run. I think some industries actually require this- that may have been the case for my recent job at a nursing home. The criminal background check definitely wasn't optional, and I don't think it was possible to opt out of the credit check because they were packaged together in the service by the background check provider.

Blogger SciVo October 02, 2015 2:14 PM  

This is awesome. Even these gits are incompetent, someone will get it done, and then we will have GG on steroids. You can simply not have or use a Facebook or Twitter account; but with something like Peeple, you might not be interested in it, but SJWs are interested in you. They would offend and outrage the placid middle overnight.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 2:19 PM  

'Believe it or not, a majority of people do not have facebook accounts, particularly in the technical fields.

That's simply false if we're talking about the US.

OpenID karsten0 October 02, 2015 2:20 PM  

"If your initial reaction to something is "it should be banned," you're a woman."

Since you're just doubling down, repeating what you already wrote, and not actually addressing my argument, let me repeat mine:

No, reacting to something by wanting it banned is not a woman's reaction. In fact, I've never seen a more quintessential expression of the female mind than the devising of this app. It is the female obsession with gossiping, on steroids:

"And of course that it was the idea of a Marketing cunt."

Exactly. There's a reason why real men, historically, always had nothing but contempt for, and felt disgust at, women's penchant for gossip. It is intrinsically dishonourable and contemptible.

And yes, this app certainly it should be banned -- but so should much else in our society. It is a defending warrior's impulse to do so. One of the main reasons why Western culture used to keep itself unpolluted by the kind of ideological toxins that have brought it down is precisely because it was ready and willing to destroy invasive pathogens.

No wonder that once that impulse was destroyed (tactically destroyed, by our enemies), our culture was vulnerable to ideological infection.

Now let me add, let that wasn't sufficiently clear: banning things like "Piss Christ," banning pedophilia, banning gay "marriage," banning countless other toxic assaults on authentic, traditional Western culture, and banning this gossip-on-steroids app -- the impulse to ban these things is the impulse of the masculine warrior who wants to defend his culture. It's the same as banning a Muslim invasion of your homeland.

Banning evil is another name for taking up the sword and protecting your civilization.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 2:27 PM  

This is awesome. Even these gits are incompetent, someone will get it done, and then we will have GG on steroids. You can simply not have or use a Facebook or Twitter account; but with something like Peeple, you might not be interested in it, but SJWs are interested in you. They would offend and outrage the placid middle overnight.

That's another thing that bothers me. Most people don't believe their fellow citizens should be able to "opt-out" of social activities at a fundamental level. Ask the average person if you should be able to opt out of

-K through 12
-Voting
-Taxes ("what if I don't use the roads?")

They will just say no without reservations because these are all "normal things that everybody just has to do". Most people simply do not believe in freedom, free markets, any of it. Everything starts out voluntary and becomes mandatory.

For most people there are no considerations except "things I like" and "things that are normal".

OpenID cglasgow99 October 02, 2015 2:34 PM  

Everything starts out voluntary and becomes mandatory.

Yeah, that's exactly the problem. And also why I'm not fond of this Peeple idea and hope it crashes and burns.

OpenID karsten0 October 02, 2015 2:36 PM  

"Modern architecture. Modern Poetry. Modern literature. Modern Western Culture. The use of the term 'modern' means it is something else.

That's just a No True Scotsman fallacy though. It may be Modern Western Culture, sure, but it's also *current* Western Culture, because the old culture has gotten shoved aside several years ago.


No, it's not a True Scotsman fallacy, because that implies a culture still created by Scots, true or not.

In this case, the likeness is: When the Brits ran India, they built opera houses and staged Western opera, but that was in no way "Indian Culture," though it happened in India and thus was the culture that was being enacted in India. It was a thousand times better than actual Indian Culture, but it wasn't Indian Culture, and whether some Indians performed in those operas or even liked those operas doesn't mean that it ever was "Indian Culture." It was not. It was still Western Culture.

This the same thing, but in reverse -- i.e, whereas the British brought to India a superior culture, the modern culture that has achieved de facto hegemony in the West, and that the West is exporting, is much worse than the actual Western Culture which existed up until the world wars. And the fact that some actual white Europeans, or Westerners, are engaged in its production doesn't change the fact that it bears the non-Western (indeed, anti-Western) soul of the tribe who mostly created it, fund it, and have editorial control over it, just as the culture that the Brits brought to India was still British, still Western.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 2:39 PM  

Applicant A is clearly maintaining his FB page for the use of potential employers, so it gets discounted. No-one else puts industry news on their social media pages.

Okay fine, maybe that's a bad example. I tried making my own LinkedIn profile and my Career Adviser (my mom) quietly logged in and changed everything because it was a very poor self-presentation. Which is fine, we already knew that about me. (Still, I'm always a top 10% employee because I work hard and don't get involved in nonsense.)

Applicant B clearly know how to keep his mouth shut, so there's that. But applicant B used to work at ABC corp. I know Duane, who used to work there. Let's call him and see what he thinks.

That's how it actually works.


I don't believe you are representing the hiring process of the average employer. Everything you explained makes good sense, and I haven't observed that to be a common trait. Particularly among "people" people.

Blogger Student in Blue October 02, 2015 2:51 PM  

@karsten0
When the Brits ran India[...]

If the Indian Culture that was there before the Brits imported their own got completely wiped out... then that new culture would have been Indian Culture.

"Indian Culture" is not some static unchangeable thing. It changes with the people, because it is the culture of the people at that certain point in time.

What is German Culture then? Is it Naziism? Is it being Lutheran? Or is Germanic Culture the culture of the barbaric, pagan Saxons?

Culture changes. It is not static, therefore declaring something in the past as "This! is true culture." is stating an ought, not an is.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 2:52 PM  

"Everything starts out voluntary and becomes mandatory."

Because they care. It's always for everybody's own good at the end of the day.

What could possibly go wrong?

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 2:59 PM  

If you haven’t registered for the site, and thus can’t contest those negative ratings, your profile only shows positive reviews. (from linked article)

Best reason ever not to join.

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 3:05 PM  

@Aeoli
I report what I see. I've been on both ends of this equation. As the employer, what I'm interested in is
1) word from co-workers
2) word from past employers (almost impossible to get)
3) substantive experience
4) length of service
5) certifications
12) degrees and coursework.

Blogger Groot October 02, 2015 3:38 PM  

You people are blithely ignoring the benevolent intent of the app. It "was created to 'find the good' in people and not as a cyber bullying tool." Now don't you feel bad for being so cynical? This gossip app is only meant for good gossip. Its only goal is "proving that the people in this world are genuinely good and positive and they will uplift you on our app with over 80 percent positivity." Everybody here just needs to grow up.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 3:39 PM  

Would you characterize this as significantly more sensible than the average hiring process? Somewhat more sensible but not significantly? Average?

Please give me your opinion on this for both sides of the equation. In numeric terms if possible even if they're just made up like "it feels like about two in three interviews are like this".

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 4:04 PM  

"Would you characterize this as significantly more sensible than the average hiring process?"

I'll offer my two shekels. I was just recently hired (3 years ago) and interviewed with half a dozen potential employers or so before landing this job.

In all of those interviews, the hiring decision came down to personality. How are you going to fit in with the company, are you likable, how do you handle conflict, how do you handle being reprimanded, etc.

In fact, the place where I ended up working flat out said that: you've got the basic skills and they liked my answers to the questions which were all personality related.

Again, in all those interviews, the question of social media was never broached.

1. Are you dependable?
2. Are you disciplined?
3. Are you honest?
4. Will you fit into the culture?
5. Will we like working with you?
6. Will you work hard?

Even If I didn't have all of the requisite skill sets, if they saw my eagerness to learn and work hard, they were more than willing to give me a shot.

I don't know if social media is a really good metric for determining these things. You could even look really good on paper and be more skilled than the next guy, but blow the interview.

I've been hired even when people weren't hiring because I was able to convince them they needed someone like me working for them. Social media, or lack thereof, does not tell the whole story.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 4:07 PM  

Groot is right, we are being far too negative. There is nothing like anonymity to remove the stigma against expressing prosocial sentiments on a whim.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 4:22 PM  

Again, in all those interviews, the question of social media was never broached.

Well of course not.


1. Are you dependable?
2. Are you disciplined?
3. Are you honest?
4. Will you fit into the culture?
5. Will we like working with you?
6. Will you work hard?


These are all questions they are asking themselves while browsing your Facebook long before the interview. It is pretty naive to assume that they haven't simply because it doesn't come up in the interview. I mean, c'mon, I have a strong case of Asperger's. Please pardon me for saying so, but it should be embarrassing for me to be explaining such obvious things to you.

If you have a Facebook then they already have a first impression of you. If there are more qualified applicants than you can interview, why not restrict the pool to the people who have already made good first impressions? That is a real source of economic pressure, is the crux of the matter.

I claim that no one can provide an answer that question that will provide strong economic pressure against using Facebook for preselection.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 4:32 PM  

@109

Well, I do know they didn't check out my Facebook (because I do not have one) nor did they ask if I had an account.

How many of the other applicants did, I do not know. But I obviously was not rejected due to not having an account. I did find out I was, more times than not, up against cndidates who had much more experience in a field where I had relatively none, and I managed to secure three job offers from those interviews.

My point is that I am not buying the whole "it's tougher to get a job without Facebook" argument. I could see them using existing social media to weed out obvious losers, but not so much because you do not have social media accounts. In fact I could see not having Facebook as much more of a plus than a minus.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 4:47 PM  

My point is that I am not buying the whole "it's tougher to get a job without Facebook" argument.

I am making the stronger argument that it's much tougher to get a job, in a low-demand job market, without the social preselection provided by "normal" disclosure of private information. Facebook is the example because it is the most common but we could be talking about credit history or Peeple (50 years in the future).

In fact I could see not having Facebook as much more of a plus than a minus.

But do most employers agree with you or disagree? We are not concerned with a particular person getting a particular job, but rather the average experience and whether the distribution has been significantly skewed one way or another.

Please recall I said I do not hold this position strongly.

Blogger Jason October 02, 2015 4:50 PM  

I don't expect this to last long. It will be violation of various "rights to be forgotten" and I expect they will be taken to court to get bad reviews taken down, especially as you have no choice about joining up. Anybody can create an account on your behalf.

I expect in short order you will see them being told in no uncertain terms by a court that they are obliged to let people opt out of the service and have their accounts deleted if they want and that will be the end of it. The first couple of people to lose jobs or be denied employment because of the app will probably be in good positions to take them to court.

That being said, based on a review of their policies, remember, always post 3 star negative reviews so they are not held in moderation, so "Well ... I quite like X and they are a great person, this would have been a 5 star review except for their habit of fucking 9 year olds. Keep them away from your kids". etc.

It should make for a large degree of comedy when Sarkeesian, Quinn, Harper and others start getting a slew of negative reviews. You do need a facebook account active for 6 months to post reviews on the site but i'm guessing a lot of folks with little to lose and an axe to grind will not have a problem posting commentary.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 5:03 PM  

"Please recall I said I do not hold this position strongly."

No, I understand that. I was asking for something that substantiated the claim you were making.

Is there any statistical metric which would indicate that those without social media accounts are being rejected more or having a tougher time finding employment than those who have them, all other things being equal?

Maybe there is no real way to tell.

I do know that a good percentage of Fortune 500 companies are using Myers-Briggs-type personality tests as a key tool in their hiring practices, which I think would tell them a lot more than somebody's Facebook account, which could provide completely phony and misleading info anyway.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 5:07 PM  

Okay, I've got an opinion on the OP.

This particular company and implementation might not stick, but the business is here for good. Why? Because as much as people dislike being rated and reviewed, I think they like reading ratings and reviews for other people very much. And I think the popularity will outweigh the distaste.

Let's look at a less revolutionary idea. Imagine it's just celebrities, politicians, and other public figures. Would anyone seriously object to ratings and reviews of those people? That service would instantly become a pop culture hit, and everybody would be laughing that "ha ha Justin Bieber and Rush Limbaugh have the lowest possible rating on CelebRate."

Suppose Amazon decided to let you review authors as well as books. How about companies? Shipping options? Would anyone seriously object to reviewing authors? If that sticks, then it can become the norm in any industry that doesn't actively fight it. The slippery slope is real.

So even if people lobby for exceptions for themselves, they will drive this to become normal through their demand to rate and review others.

Blogger Bard October 02, 2015 5:12 PM  

Can we "burn it with fire" or is that too closely associated with banning? Semantics really as I am not on WhoGivesaFuckBook either and this is the only blog I read.

Blogger Rabbi B October 02, 2015 5:19 PM  

"Can we "burn it with fire" or is that too closely associated with banning?"

Outside its entertainment value, the truly enlightened will just ignore it. It's just providing another outlet for what most people already love doing: tearing others down and exposing every possible fault (real or imagined) in order to elevate themselves at someone else's expense.

The mechanism for delivery is just a bit more 'hi-tech'.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 5:26 PM  

Is there any statistical metric which would indicate that those without social media accounts are being rejected more or having a tougher time finding employment than those who have them, all other things being equal?

Hopefully somebody at LinkedIn already knows this. Are people with LinkedIn accounts more likely to have a job?

Blogger Danby October 02, 2015 6:26 PM  

More likely than who? People who see no reason to have a linked in account? Seems that would include a lot of people with no career. Not sure how you would measure that one.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 7:18 PM  

That is merely a practical problem of testing P(x) and I'm not convinced that we are all in agreement as to what proposition is actually in question.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 7:33 PM  

I do know that a good percentage of Fortune 500 companies are using Myers-Briggs-type personality tests as a key tool in their hiring practices, which I think would tell them a lot more than somebody's Facebook account, which could provide completely phony and misleading info anyway.

I have plugged your contributions to this thread into IBM's Watson, i.e. 850 words. Here are the results. The service claims that you need 3,000 words to get a statistically significant answer.

Whether there is a lesson in this, I leave as an exercise to the reader.

Big 5

Openness
64%
Adventurousness
44%
Artistic interests
0%
Emotionality
28%
Imagination
79%
Intellect
75%
Authority-challenging
68%

Conscientiousness
10%
Achievement striving
45%
Cautiousness
30%
Dutifulness
5%
Orderliness
22%
Self-discipline
0%
Self-efficacy
12%

Extraversion
28%
Activity level
30%
Assertiveness
85%
Cheerfulness
21%
Excitement-seeking
53%
Outgoing
6%
Gregariousness
20%
Agreeableness
14%
Altruism
3%
Cooperation
8%
Modesty
5%
Uncompromising
4%
Sympathy
32%
Trust
3%

Emotional range
72%
Fiery
76%
Prone to worry
60%
Melancholy
85%
Immoderation
55%
Self-consciousness
69%
Susceptible to stress
51%

Needs

Challenge
17%
Closeness
29%
Curiosity
32%
Excitement
33%
Harmony
58%
Ideal
22%
Liberty
33%
Love
49%
Practicality
44%
Self-expression
9%
Stability
30%
Structure
16%

Values

Conservation
3%
Openness to change
87%
Hedonism
12%
Self-enhancement
95%
Self-transcendence
58%

https://watson-pi-demo.mybluemix.net/

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 7:45 PM  

I abhor information asymmetry, and so you may find my writeprint analysis here: http://koanicsoul.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1050#p21087

Blogger Bard October 02, 2015 8:08 PM  

116) Very well said Rabbi B.

Blogger Cee October 02, 2015 8:32 PM  

Hopefully somebody at LinkedIn already knows this. Are people with LinkedIn accounts more likely to have a job?

I know a data analyst at LinkedIn. I'll forward the question to him and see if I can get back to you on that, Aeoli.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 9:10 PM  

Thank you Cee, please send it to aeoli DOT pera AT gmail DOT com.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 9:56 PM  

Cee, I think we should get married someday.. You are good-natured and you humor me in spite of everything and that is about the best I can ask for from a girl.

Blogger Carl Philipp October 02, 2015 10:49 PM  

Anybody remember SketchFactor? The app that was going to let people report on which neighborhoods were "sketchy?" It got shouted down into nonexistence starting before it was even launched on the suspicion that it COULD be used for racial profiling?

I think this Peeple is RIPE for some serious black-knighting. Because we all know that people COULD use it to give unfairly harsh scores to minorities, right?

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 02, 2015 10:49 PM  

Bring the fun of another henhouse!

I'm not liked by the evil people. I've already heard the fam will be trashing me and any work I've done over the last 25 years in varied arts/past resume/edu - cool. I might respond back in youtube videos just to turn the heat up, let them talk more and I enjoy it.

I hope any pictures are posted too, so scandalous!

What distractions and distortions henhouzers love.

I give this new app a few months before users tire of another piece of submission and entertainment, giving away info for free, wow, love it. We need the Word of God given out not another henhouse.

Blogger SciVo October 02, 2015 11:03 PM  

I do know that a good percentage of Fortune 500 companies are using Myers-Briggs-type personality tests as a key tool in their hiring practices, which I think would tell them a lot more than somebody's Facebook account, which could provide completely phony and misleading info anyway.

Well, shoot. I get a different answer every time. I know what I think I am, but I can't predict what a test would say.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 02, 2015 11:15 PM  

Shoot for ENFJ, low neuroticism. That's what they want, top personality score. I'm drunk right now so you'll just have to take my word for it because I ain't explaining shit. I'm a genius! Blah blah blah, nobody listens anyway...

Blogger SciVo October 02, 2015 11:30 PM  

Hmm. I know enough about the MBTI that I could probably fake ENFJ. Thanks!

OpenID Jack Amok October 02, 2015 11:33 PM  

If your initial reaction to something is "it should be banned," you're a woman.

Josh, I can refute that statement in four words.

Fat women going topless.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 03, 2015 12:30 AM  

Holy shit, yesterday my rhetoric works and ignorant people shut up, and today somebody listens to a good idea. It's a damn miracle. In fact, it's magic, everything's magic and we're all happy forever!

Blogger Cee October 03, 2015 12:30 AM  

Cee, I think we should get married someday.. You are good-natured and you humor me in spite of everything and that is about the best I can ask for from a girl.

Aw! Well, I find you intriguing and I think we'd have fabulous conversations, you'd just be in for the long haul since we Mormons mate forever. ;)

I'll get back to you as soon as I can talk to my classmate. (As an aside: LinkedIn takes keeping their employees and keeping their employees in the building to an absurd degree. Nice place to get a meal though.)

Sounds like gaming a Myers-Briggs might be a useful skill to develop, not that it's hard if you've taken one before. ENFJs are their target though? I usually test INFJ/INTJ depending on how quixotic I'm feeling, so it wouldn't be too hard to fudge on just one set of questions.

Hiding the neuroticism would be harder.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 03, 2015 12:31 AM  

Rhetoric works and Vox Day is magic and we're all happy forever. Thanks Vox!

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 03, 2015 1:01 AM  

Aw! Well, I find you intriguing and I think we'd have fabulous conversations, you'd just be in for the long haul since we Mormons mate forever. ;)

I don't think any girl ever said "aw" to the badboy lover of her dreams. But you should know that neanderthal also mates forever and he is the sexiest of the hominids.

Sounds like gaming a Myers-Briggs might be a useful skill to develop, not that it's hard if you've taken one before.

It takes all of two seconds, you just have to read the Big 5 on Wikipedia. All of these stupid tests are cribbing questions straight from the definitions. I used to have a blog post on how to do this back in the day (on Xanga, you would have been just a child in those days) but the long and short of it is that you want to answer such that you have high Extraversion, Openness, Agreeability, and Conscientiousness, and low Neuroticism.

These tests are not subtle or nuanced, For instance, one of the criteria for neuroticism will be "mood swings" and one of the questions will be "Do you experience sudden changes in mood?" I have literally received a grade on one of these tests, and it was a perfect grade because I had recently developed the method.

Just read the wiki and pretend you're a non-Neurotic, Conscientious, Extraverted, Agreeable, Open person (in that order of importance, but you might as well max out all categories).

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 03, 2015 2:30 AM  

It wasn't until I took the time to read through a decade + of your Workdnet Daily columns that I appreciated how your laissez-faire attitude had changed. And I can't say as I blame you. May as well be hung for ilsherp as a lamb.

Blogger SciVo October 03, 2015 3:48 AM  

Hiding the neuroticism would be harder.

Find someone you know like that, and just answer like them. My sister is an ENFJ, so super easy, but I'm sure you know someone.

OpenID karsten0 October 03, 2015 1:08 PM  

"If the Indian Culture that was there before the Brits imported their own got completely wiped out... then that new culture would have been Indian Culture."

No. That would simply be British culture in India, not Indian Culture. This is more than mere semantics. Indian Culture is the culture that originates from ethnic Indians. (In another time, we would have dubbed this "the Indian race," as the 19th century writers tended to use "race" to refer to an ethnic people, such as "the British race" or "the French race".) And as I stated above, even if some ethnic Indians were to begin to participate in the creation of the Western Culture that the British imported, it would still be Western Culture.

Culture is an essentialism. Were a Chinese orchestra of 120 Chinese to play a Beethoven symphony in China, that would still be a work of Western Culture.

"What is German Culture then? Is it [National Socialism]? Is it being Lutheran? Or is Germanic Culture the culture of the barbaric, pagan Saxons?"

It is, of course, all of these things. These are completely compatible and, in fact, organically linked, as they are natural outgrows of the German people -- the Teutonic race, as the 19th-century writers might put it -- and certainly exhibit a noble likeness. Oswald Spengler is a great writer to consult on this topic; his term for it is "Faustian Culture."


But what is erroneously called "Modern Western Culture," that is no longer German Culture nor Western Culture at all. It is tactically mislabeled as such, but that doesn't make it so, any more than dubbing a performance of a Shakespeare in India an example of "Indian Culture" would make that so.

Shakespeare in India, even played by Indians, is still Western Culture, just as the Modern Culture around us is Judaic Culture, an expression of the Judaic soul, even when some whites participate in its creation. It is no longer Western Culture.

Blogger Cee October 03, 2015 6:10 PM  

I don't think any girl ever said "aw" to the badboy lover of her dreams. But you should know that neanderthal also mates forever and he is the sexiest of the hominids.
That was more of an "aw, me?" rather than an "aw, how cute!". I am not so good at the whole girly thing (or taking compliments either).

Neanderthal is the sexiest of hominids, it is so.


It takes all of two seconds, you just have to read the Big 5 on Wikipedia. All of these stupid tests are cribbing questions straight from the definitions. I used to have a blog post on how to do this back in the day (on Xanga, you would have been just a child in those days) but the long and short of it is that you want to answer such that you have high Extraversion, Openness, Agreeability, and Conscientiousness, and low Neuroticism.

Excellent. Have done so; I'll keep it in mind if they decide to run me through any of those things.

I remember Xanga. I think we're actually fairly close in age; I've been around a while.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 04, 2015 2:29 PM  

That was more of an "aw, me?" rather than an "aw, how cute!". I am not so good at the whole girly thing (or taking compliments either).

You are a rare bird. No shame in that, and quite the contrary as long as it doesn't mess up your head.

I foresee a bright future for us. I, teaching you the ways of the forest and the joys of an all-beef diet. You, mending my breeches and watching over the boys. My seed can only produce boys by the way because it is so potent, although the doctor says this is a "genetic disease" or something.

As I grow old and fat and the madness takes me, you shall sing me songs of comfort and spoon-feed me applesauce as I make seemly speech-like noises like unto the beasts of the fields. I will gaze witlessly into your blinded eyes (from the untreated glaucoma because we're in the woods) and wonder at such beauty. Yes, a bright future.

Blogger Groot October 04, 2015 11:55 PM  

SciVo: Do not go for NF. Not. That is only girls and priests (look to your sister). Anybody pseudo-named ScientiVore who comes up with an NF can only stimulate a guffaw. You are an INTP, and just need to fake INTJ, if you can. Cripes. Aeoli, you spergie twerp.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 05, 2015 11:14 PM  

Yeah, sue me. :-P

Blogger Zach October 06, 2015 12:36 PM  

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Blogger Groot October 07, 2015 12:42 AM  

Well, you are funny. That makes up for a lot, in my book. And, pursuing Cee, despite no evidence of looks, which is brave-to-foolhardy-to-completely-insane. You are interesting, like a traffic accident. There is an element of suspense, Icarus.

Blogger Cee October 10, 2015 3:33 PM  

I shed a tear at this, Aeoli. It is a beautiful future indeed.

I won't need too much converting to the all-beef diet, to be honest. More protein has done a lot of good for me health-wise. Just so long as we're eating the entire cow, I'll be good.

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