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Thursday, October 01, 2015

Perhaps he didn't see the sign

I wonder how many more "gun-free zone" failures are necessary before people begin to conclude that perhaps mass disarmament is not the ideal way to avoid large numbers of victims:
Up to 15 dead–
Several more injured…
WCNC reported:

    A shooter who opened fire at at Umpqua Community College Thursday in southern Oregon injured as many as 20 people before he was downed, a Douglas County official said.

    KATU-TV reports that Oregon State Police say there were multiple fatalities, but that could not be immediately confirmed.

    County commissioner Chris Boice told KGW-TV that 15 to 20 people were injured in the melee, including one woman shot in the chest.

Shooter is down…
People worry that lots of people carrying openly will lead to a "Wild West" situation, forgetting that four times more people were shot today in this Oregon "gun-free" zone than in the highest annual body count Tombstone ever saw, which was five.

"In cattle towns such as Tombstone or Dodge City, the average number of homicides was only 1.5 or 2 a year, according to path-breaking research by Robert R. Dykstra of SUNY-Albany."

UPDATE: Mike Cernovich smells a rat:
Something is up. Shooter is Muslim or transgender. Otherwise we'd have a name and race by now.  
"The shooter then asked people to stand up and state their religion and then started firing."

Sounds Muslim, as it was a feature of previous attacks in Kenya and other places, but could be atheist. The fact that the police and media are sitting on the shooter's identity tends to indicate the former; they haven't previously shown any tendency to resist identifying atheists.

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Blogger Jeffrey Quick October 01, 2015 4:51 PM  

UCC apparently had CCW per John Lott: http://johnrlott.blogspot.se/2012/12/a-partial-list-of-206-college-campuses.html

OpenID ymarsakar October 01, 2015 4:52 PM  

Hussein needs those guns to sell to terrorists over seas. Democrats get a nice cut out of that.

Blogger collisioncat67 October 01, 2015 4:59 PM  

Leftist SJWs everywhere are saying a silent prayer to their Flying Spaghetti Monster.

"Please, let the shooter be a white right-wing male, oh, please...please...please...please."

Blogger David October 01, 2015 5:08 PM  

The Westgate Mall in Kenya was no doubt a 'gun-free' zone. I am so happy I live in a society where large numbers of my fellow citizens are armed as they go about their daily business. And it isn't at all obvious who they are! Perpetrators of massacres need 'gun-free' zones like paedos need playgrounds.

Blogger Daniel October 01, 2015 5:18 PM  

Worst "Wild West" events were against the unarmed. They were called "massacres."

Blogger Earl October 01, 2015 5:20 PM  

Seeing that there are no non-white people in Oregon, the liberals are going to get their white shooter. But the kid is likely a liberal since this is Oregon, despite Douglas County being the only red county left in the state.

Blogger grendel October 01, 2015 5:21 PM  

@1 All the Oregonians I know say good luck getting a CCW in Oregon. It's a Sheriff's discretion state.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 01, 2015 5:22 PM  

"No psychotropic drugs were found at the scene, leading investigators to conclude that the shooter was normal as nails."

Blogger Giraffe October 01, 2015 5:22 PM  

"The shooter was asking people to stand up and state their religion and then started firing away, Moore said. Moore was lying there with people who had been shot. "

OpenID ymarsakar October 01, 2015 5:23 PM  

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/03/gun-banning-california-senator-busted-selling-illegal-guns-to-fbi-agent/

See, it's not merely a fantasy. People just don't know about it. Just as people didn't know about Fast and Furious, and were it not for some whistleblowers, they would still be ignorant. Imagine what else people in the US don't know.

Blogger Daniel October 01, 2015 5:25 PM  

The campus is not legally gunfree, just all the buildings. So it is worse than a gun free zone: because students would use the buldings but a shooter wouldn't have to, a killer can legally transport guns onto campus, while the people using any facilities can't defend themselves.

Thus, it was worse than gun free. It is explicitly self-defense free.

Blogger daddynichol October 01, 2015 5:31 PM  

Another red flag distraction to detract from the shit fest in the Middle East and Syria. I'm also curious as to the politics of this latest shooter. Bets anyone?

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 01, 2015 5:32 PM  

The 2007 Trolley Square Shooting in Salt Lake City took place in a gun-free zone. Fortunately there was an off duty police officer with a gun present to distract the killer. Even though the incident lasted only 6 minutes and the police arrived within 3 to 4 minutes, there were 5 killed and 4 injured. Without the gun wielding cop (who was in violation of the mall policy), there would likely have been many more casualties. The FBI found it was not terrorism, but the killer was a young immigrant Muslim from Bosnia. Go figure.

Blogger Ostar October 01, 2015 5:42 PM  

Contrast this with a article today in the NY Times about "27 Ways to be a Modern Man":
"25. The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will."

Blogger Nate Winchester October 01, 2015 5:44 PM  

I wonder how many more "gun-free zone" failures are necessary before people begin to conclude that perhaps mass disarmament is not the ideal way to avoid large numbers of victims

There ain't enough, just look at how many on twitter are already calling for "get rid of guns" STILL after this:
https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/649682895867478016

Blogger Bard October 01, 2015 5:45 PM  

12. When not immediately mentioned, usually = not white, but who knows

Blogger JartStar October 01, 2015 5:53 PM  

Rant: Second Amendment Repeal | National Review Online

There's a lot of good rhetoric here to use for people who want to ban guns, but it's simplest to ask how many millions have to die in the civil war to make it worth it. Make them say they want people who don't give up their guns to the government dead by government guns.

Blogger Jordan179 October 01, 2015 5:57 PM  

"25. The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will."

He may wish he had, in the last agonized ten minutes of his life as he drowns in his own blood after he's been shot, but he won't be in good enough condition to actually obtain any guns.

Blogger DJ | AMDG October 01, 2015 5:57 PM  

That's silly. I live here. In fact, 1 county south of Douglas County where the shooting took place. Sheriffs? There barely are any sheriffs out here. My county has 2-3 cars patrolling the whole county at most at any one time. They're only on duty 9-5 M-F. Conceal Carry is a 4 hr class and a stamp. Oregon is an open carry state for heaven's sake. Now where Portland, Eugene, and Salem are I can believe thing are different. Government centers. Urban politics. University town. But in Douglas County? The only reason person doesn't carry a gun there or where I live is because they don't want to. Umpqua Community College, like most schools I suspect, is supposed to be a gun free zone, though. And that is a stupid ordinance.

Blogger BunE22 October 01, 2015 5:57 PM  

If he's muslim, I wonder if this is workplace violence. Even though he asked about religion first. And he probably didn't work there.

BunE22 (on cell & Google won't show my name)

Blogger Ron October 01, 2015 6:00 PM  

You know women wouldn't get raped if we outlawed penises.

Blogger DJ | AMDG October 01, 2015 6:00 PM  

Eyewitnesses said it started in a single classroom.

Blogger Dexter October 01, 2015 6:03 PM  

I love the way the cops were searching the bags of students who left the school. Um, guys, if any of the other students had guns, the problem would already be over.

Blogger Phillip George October 01, 2015 6:07 PM  

That's the obvious answer to Syria, Iraq, Balkans, Mindanao, Aceh - just declare a gun free zone and then shame anybody with a twitter campaign who crosses those lines in the sand. Or if some Islamists do a Kenya Westgate type massacre in your neighbourhood, you know, gouge out a few infidel eyeballs before brunch, cut out a tongue or two the answer is signs in shop windows asking people to show some respect, That'll get 'em.

Vox, the fall, and it was great, was 'aided and abetted' by diversity type, liberal, professing Christians. The remainder of what's left of a church should ask itself just a single question. Was multiculturalism the great falling away betrayal of Jesus?

allah told muhammad Jesus didn't die on the cross or rise from the dead, Jesus told His disciples before Abraham I AM. One of them is a liar. And trying to live with habitual liars is trying. Don't try it.

Blogger luagha October 01, 2015 6:07 PM  

I read that they were confiscating all the student's cellphones on the way out - for evidence and so they couldn't contact out.

Blogger Dexter October 01, 2015 6:12 PM  

"You know women wouldn't get raped if we outlawed penises."

The "concealed carry" of a penis is the act of a scoundrel and should be closely regulated, if not forbidden, by the state. The "open carry" of a penis is more honest and forthright than concealing the penis, and also is a politically visible sign that the right to have a penis is still alive in American society.

I only patronize businesses that permit, and do not stigmatize or criticize, the open display of a penis.

Naturally there is a concern about the unauthorized discharge of a penis, but this rarely happens. Most penis owners are responsible and know how to handle their penises safely.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 6:15 PM  

Mentally ill liberal on drugs is my first thought these days

Blogger Profit October 01, 2015 6:20 PM  

Magic-Signs seem to work as well as Magic-Dirt

Blogger Krul October 01, 2015 6:25 PM  

@14 Ostar - "Contrast this with a article today in the NY Times about "27 Ways to be a Modern Man""

Summary: the modern man is a boring, beleaguered, helpless, self-loathing, conformist dullard.

Blogger GX3Blogger October 01, 2015 6:26 PM  

15 die by a gun and the liberals lose their shit. PP kills over 900 babies a day, sell their body parts, and no liberal bats an eye.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 01, 2015 6:35 PM  

NIce to see that of the 15 killed, the one bit of important information is that "one woman was shot in the chest"

Blogger ajw308 (#98) October 01, 2015 6:36 PM  

All the Oregonians I know say good luck getting a CCW in Oregon. It's a Sheriff's discretion state.
Michigan used to be that way. Sheriff's are elected and it's surprising what a campaign donation can do for you, if it's big enough.

OpenID Steve October 01, 2015 6:41 PM  

Chicongo wishes it had a week with as few murders as the Valentines Day Massacre

Seeing that there are no non-white people in Oregon

Every state except Wyoming has had "refuse-gees" shat on them, but refugees can move to other areas with section 8 golden tickets, that's how Lewistown Maine got flooded.

"Please, let the shooter be a white right-wing male, oh, please...please...please...please."

When someone replaced the Puerto Rican flag with the US flag on the OH House of Horrors with 3 PR guys kidnaping/raping white girls it made me wonder if there was no tea party flags for sale in town.

Imagine what else people in the US don't know.

Hardly anyone knows about Ali Mohammad Brown the black moslem serial killer of gays in 3 states, including most gays, if he was a white Tea party guy I bet they would.

"25. The modern man has no use for a gun.

if a black guy breaks into his window at 3am he will hope to be raped or cucked

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 6:53 PM  

Check this out:

https://8ch.net/pol/src/1443729036315.png

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 6:56 PM  

They're calling it the beta male uprising.... against "normies"....

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 01, 2015 6:59 PM  

@34

Yeah, that's a capture of the original thread on 4chan. The lead off was that OP gave a threat warning on 9/30.

Blogger Wild Zontargs #420 October 01, 2015 6:59 PM  

The shooter appears to have been posting on 4chan prior to the shooting:

"Some of you guys are alright. Don't go to school tomorrow if you are in the northwest."

The thread contains encouragement, some "helpful suggestions" and references to their "beta uprising" meme.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 01, 2015 7:02 PM  

Linky to the original 4chan thread, which when refreshed will show you continuing comments:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OZGEjT1ilSUJ:https://archive.moe/r9k/post/22785729/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 01, 2015 7:03 PM  

@37 Faster than me....

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 01, 2015 7:05 PM  

25. The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will.

Well, I am just not a modern man!

OpenID Steve October 01, 2015 7:13 PM  

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/01/oregon-community-college-shooting-pre-planned-act-of-jihad-warning-posted-yesterday/

Warning given yesterday about angery moslem, not that the college is the same town as the Hero from the jihadi France Train

"An interesting ‘coincidence’…….. Alek Skarlatos (one of those who helped take down the train jihadi in France) is from/lives in Roseburg. Went to same community college (per his facebook page)

Blogger Jim Rizzi October 01, 2015 7:14 PM  

This would be so simple if someone would just stop the shooter and say, "hey buddy, this is a gun free zone! Take it elsewhere."

I mean, it's like the rules don't even natter!

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 7:21 PM  

Is this his Youtube channel or not... the hate for "normies" is very much there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5&v=MN3t3WtUO-Y

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 01, 2015 7:27 PM  

Mass shooting you can always ask if the murderer was a Kos or a DU poster, except with Dylan Roof, he was driven over the edge by watching MSNBC. Everyday in the Shitty Empire is like the last week at Jim Jones' Utopia where the dullards are harangued by lunatics that at any moment it would inequality forever or some other BS.

Blogger sarrah October 01, 2015 7:34 PM  

We've always had lot's of guns but these mass shootings seem to have been rare until the dawn of the 24 hour news cycle in the late 1970's. Crazy people do this to get their face on Television. Let's keep the guns and ban CNN.

Blogger Aaron October 01, 2015 7:35 PM  

"...15 to 20 people were injured in the melee, including one woman shot in the chest."

Perhaps this is a stupid question but what is the purpose of specifying that one of the people shot was a woman?

In incidents where a number of people are killed or injured I often hear the media specifying that some of the people hurt were women and children. They seem to be implying that this makes the tragedy even worse. Now I can understand how children being injured would make the tragedy worse, but in this day and age where we're constantly bombarded with the importance of gender equality, why would the media imply that the death of a woman is a greater tragedy than the death of a man? Are they implying that a woman has more inherent moral value than a man? Isn't that, ya know, not treating men and women equally?

I'll put it this way. Imagine you're watching the news and the anchor says something like this:

"A horrific explosion rocked an apartment complex in north Philadelphia this morning. 10 people are confirmed dead including 2 children and 3 white people."

The mainstream media would be foaming at the mouth. "Are they implying that a white person getting killed is worse than a non-white person getting killed?? RACISS!!!"

I find political correctness fascinating.

Blogger haus frau October 01, 2015 7:39 PM  

Oregon is not a sheriff' discretion state. It's a shall issue state. I wouldn't be surprised if it was not long ago but I've had a ccl for a couple years. It's easy to get a ccl and a Utah license here. In fact I'd say the gun laws are no more restrictive than Texas or nebraska. I'm sure the leftist moon bats who want to criminalize self defense won't waste this opportunity though.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 7:49 PM  

I melee even the right word?

a confused fight, skirmish, or scuffle.

not one of those

: fracas, disturbance, rumpus, tumult, commotion, ruckus, disorder, fray; More
brawl, fight, scuffle, struggle, skirmish, scrimmage, free-for-all, tussle;
informalscrap, set-to, ruction, slugfest
"people were trampled in the melee"

a confused mass of people.

Can't they just say a mentally ill lefty went off his meds or something

Blogger Danby October 01, 2015 7:49 PM  

In fact I'd say the gun laws are no more restrictive than Texas or nebraska.

Oregon is seriously annoying. They have no CCW reciprocity with other states, require a 4 hour class, and only one sheriff is willing to issue permits to non-residents. That means my wife, who has a Washington CCW, cannot carry in Oregon. We live just a few miles from the Columbia and are in Oregon a couple of times a week.

Add to that, in OR, transport is only legal in a locked safe, secured to the car, and no ammo in the box. It is virtually impossible to defend yourself in those circumstances.

I can't speak to TX or NE, but it's considerably worse than WA.

Blogger David Barker October 01, 2015 8:00 PM  

I was thinking the same thing. As I type this, I'm in the Atlanta airport listening to CNN report on the shooting in Oregon. It has been hours since this incident and they are still calling the suspect a "20-year old male." My guess is the suspect isn't white or Southern and, likely, not Christian. If he had been, they would be repeating it ad nauseum. At the moment they are saying his identity "cannot be confirmed" and they are hung up in a conversation about his cell phone and social media activity. David Brock Barker
They are also blaming this action on the shooter being rejected by women and feeling like an outcast. So, they are generating a level of sympathy for the shooter. Now I'm sure he's probably from some protected race or class that the Left is sympathetic toward.

OpenID Steve October 01, 2015 8:04 PM  

There was some talk about eastern Oregon splitting and joining Idaho
http://www.eastoregonian.com/eo/local-news/20150924/la-grande-man-pushing-for-secession-to-idaho

I melee even the right word?a confused fight, skirmish, or scuffle.

Only if someone tried to Tueller Drill the moslem. Someone with a knife can cut an gun carrier before he can react within 20 feet. I guess shelling out $200 for a backpack plate would be worth it for peace of mind for people going to school
https://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/the-tueller-drill-revisited

Blogger Jon Bromfield October 01, 2015 8:15 PM  

28: The Modern Man has no use for testicles. He's never had any and never will.

Blogger Anthony October 01, 2015 8:19 PM  

New York Post reporting that the shooter was targeting Christians.

Blogger Crude October 01, 2015 8:25 PM  

Came here to post that, Anthony.

Count on this disappearing out of the headlines faster than the gay black liberal shooting white people with nearly live gopro streaming.

Blogger Feather Blade October 01, 2015 8:32 PM  

@21: You know women wouldn't get raped if we outlawed penises.

We should probably just concentrate on teaching terrorists not to terrorize people.

Blogger Sjonnar October 01, 2015 8:36 PM  

I wonder how many more "gun-free zone" failures are necessary before people begin to conclude that perhaps mass disarmament is not the ideal way to avoid large numbers of victims.

An infinite number, Vox. Everyone intellectually capable of coming to that conclusion already has. The rest are sticking to the narrative, no matter what.

Blogger Joe mama October 01, 2015 8:44 PM  

To comment 1 - As of March 2015, Concealed carry was not permitted, except by written permission by college (which you can forget about getting).

http://www.armedcampuses.org/oregon/

Blogger JartStar October 01, 2015 8:48 PM  

They are probably delaying things to scrub the social media accounts.

Blogger David-093 October 01, 2015 8:55 PM  

They're identifying him as Chris Harper Mercer.

Blogger Daniel October 01, 2015 9:00 PM  

Right, DJ. Dont be pendantic. The classroom is gunfree, but the campus is not. Therefore, it is actually easier for a shooter to carry into a class than it is a student. Classrooms are gunfree on a carry campus, which is, if possible, an even MORE reckless policy than plain old idiotic gunfree campus.

Blogger Groot October 01, 2015 9:04 PM  

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, declared that, "We must make it harder for dangerous people to get guns."

The Obama administration also responded to the shooting by calling for stricter gun control legislation.

Blogger Daniel October 01, 2015 9:05 PM  

Gunfree zones will proliferate. The Progressive endgame is everybody dies. Which is why Kratman is such a softie in forseeing a mere 2 million crucified Progs.

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:09 PM  

https://myspace.com/344765151/photos

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:10 PM  

MySpace account ... supposedly out of Torrance, CA?

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:12 PM  

Don't know if this is the same person or not ... photos seem to be disappearing or the browser is just mucking up the display of them. https://myspace.com/344765151/photos

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:16 PM  

Really curious ... https://myspace.com/344765151/connections/in

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:21 PM  

Folk 'In' to him ... Mahmoud Ali Ehsani ... would need to really know if shooter and his guy were close or not
https://myspace.com/dick_hard_like_a_pistol
https://myspace.com/dick_hard_like_a_pistol/photos

Blogger Soga October 01, 2015 9:22 PM  

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, declared that, "We must make it harder for dangerous people to get guns."

The Obama administration also responded to the shooting by calling for stricter gun control legislation.


And in completely unrelated news, the Obama administration has issued no comment on its provision of arms to Syrian rebels.

Blogger ray October 01, 2015 9:28 PM  

Open carry isn't a panacea, but it would reduce the thug factor in New Amerika. The last of actual masculinity in this country died in the Nineteenth Century, with hip-firearms, which at least kept the scum down somewhat. Now the scum are our leaders.

Obama and the Progs pretend rage at the inevitable consequences of the very policies they forced down the culture's throat, so that they could take power and live like fat moralistic pigs. Therefore they have gotten -- are beginning to get -- the very nation they insisted on having, which covertly furthers their political and economic agendas. While they ball their overfed fists and scream about perpetrators.

A destroyed and desolate nation, and neither gun-grabbing nor immigrant-shipping is going to fix that. You beat down on people for forty years, you will suffer the consequences, and no law, and no amount of cops and military, are going to cover for the deliberate murder of fatherhood, family, and service to God that once defined this nation. I've been warning of these things for over twenty years, and folks (including 'conservatives') made sure I 'got no traction'. Looks like there's some 'traction' anyway, eh?
.

Feminists and progs ruin everything, and after everything has been ruined, seek out the next scapegoat (this time, guns) so they can maintain their personal and collective state of denial and comfort. .
. while holding Candlelight Vigils and pretending they care about the 'victims'. Liars and hypocrites.

Blogger BunE22 October 01, 2015 9:41 PM  

If the shooter is the MySpace guy someone found his profile on a dating site.

http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 01, 2015 9:43 PM  

Gun-free zone or not? Look at how confusing this is:

Was Umpqua Community College a gun-prohibited zone?

Oregon law says NO---

"While both Oregon and Federal law forbid people from being on school property with firearms, concealed handgun license holders are exempt from both laws. Oregon statute 166.370 (Links to an external site.) forbids firearms in “public buildings” which schools are, but subsection [3] says “this section does not apply to:… (d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 to carry a concealed handgun.” As we have said elsewhere, if you have a chl you may carry onto public school property." (source: http://www.oregonfirearms.org/chl-central/prohibited-places)

UCC rules say YES...or NO?

"Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited. Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited. Brandishing weapons is prohibited. Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.” (from the UCC website, which has been down most of the day.)

Judd Legum writing at ThinkProgress says NO --

Umpqua Community College, however, was not a gun free zone. A 2011, state court decision prohibited public colleges from banning guns (Links to an external site.) on campus. The decision stemmed from a suit filed by the Oregon Firearm Education Foundation, a gun rights group. There was an effort to pass a new law to reinstate the ability of public colleges to ban guns. That measure was defeated by gun rights advocates (Links to an external site.). (source http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/ (Links to an external site.))

So....which is it? Does the campus "law" trump (no pun intended) the state law?

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:43 PM  

It appears that Chris Harper-Mercer and Mahmoud Ali Ehsani had "connections" in MySpace to each other. One in Torrance and the other in LA.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 01, 2015 9:46 PM  

IRA photos and video on that myspace site. I thought myspace was dead which is why I'm not sure if its the same person..

Blogger The Other Robot October 01, 2015 9:47 PM  

Seems like an Islamic extremist

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 9:49 PM  

I have seen about 4 or 5 different guys in pics posted on Facebook saying this is the guy. Sounds like either a Muslim or Atheist the way he targeted Christians

Blogger Mandos October 01, 2015 9:49 PM  

"Ironcross45", heh. Plus a fair number of IRA-related pics on the MySpace page, and the connection to this Mahmoud guy. Starting to see a pattern here, in the end all those Christians are evil aren't they, son.

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:50 PM  

70. Blogger BunE22
Link and profile is interesting.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 01, 2015 9:50 PM  

@31 Bluntobj Winz
NIce to see that of the 15 killed, the one bit of important information is that "one woman was shot in the chest"
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They were driving me crazy listening to this stuff on the radio. I believe it was CNN or CBS radio news they were feeding us. That comment was thrown out so much it was beyond ridiculous. It's like these people have nothing to say but try to fill hours mumbling and talking to other people who have a brother who knows someone else who was on the scene.

Blogger David of One October 01, 2015 9:57 PM  

74. The Other Robot

His link had this cached warning from yesterday ... http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OZGEjT1ilSUJ:https://archive.moe/r9k/post/22785729/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Blogger Joshua Sinistar October 01, 2015 9:59 PM  

Everyone wondered what would happen if we ever had a black POTUS. Now we know. Lets never do this again OK?
I don't know about you, but after the Civil War I'm gonna shoot anyone who wants democracy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 01, 2015 10:00 PM  

He looks kind of black in his pictures.

But he is #blacklivesmatter supporter. So he could be white. And I'm honestly not joking here.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 01, 2015 10:09 PM  

Everybody better go get some more ammo before they try and make it crazy scarce again.

OpenID karsten0 October 01, 2015 10:17 PM  

Turns out he's "mixed race":

http://i.imgur.com/dKEum0h.png

OpenID malcolmthecynic October 01, 2015 10:23 PM  

@34 and @38

That thread creeped me the Hell out. Wow.

OpenID Steve October 01, 2015 10:23 PM  

Going to watch lamestream news tonight to see if they whiten the picture of the guy like they did with Zimmerman. There are already blind people calling him white.

Blogger Mandos October 01, 2015 10:24 PM  

He is indeed. My bet is on something of a Northern Irish/black mix.

"Have faith and keep fighting. Never lose, never stop." as a comment under an IRA picture.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 10:29 PM  

It wasn't that many decades ago that schools had gun clubs and kids took their rifles to school, and nobody ever got shot!!

Blogger Cail Corishev October 01, 2015 10:30 PM  

If that's his dating profile, it says he's a conservative/Republican, so clearly he's white, no matter what he says about his race or what he looks like.

Blogger James Sullivan October 01, 2015 10:40 PM  

Repeatedly calling attention to the woman shot in the chest is a bugle call to all of the White Knights to step up and crow beat the savages that still cling to their weapons.

Blogger Soga October 01, 2015 10:59 PM  

The 3 G's of civilization.

God, Guns, and Great beer.

Blogger automatthew October 01, 2015 11:05 PM  

He looks like a cross between a Talented Tenth and something lighter. The name "Harper-Mercer" suggests Jewish.

Blogger Danby October 01, 2015 11:08 PM  

So....which is it? Does the campus "law" trump (no pun intended) the state law?

Under OR law, the campus is a public space and the relevant jurisdiction (in this case the college) cannot ban weapons there. However, inside the buildings is not a public space and the building owner can prohibit carrying there.

So anybody walking around the campus can carry, but if you're carrying, you cannot enter a building or fenced-off area.

Yes, it's stupid, but that's because the gun-grabbers absolutely refuse to compromise.The entire campus used to be no-carry. Some CCW students filed suit, and won, but the colleges found a loophole.

OpenID Steve October 01, 2015 11:10 PM  

2 of the networks gave his name but no pic, his pick should be next to bath house Barry. I bet they will try to whitewash his pic like GZ's county orange becoming light pink.

is indeed. My bet is on something of a Northern Irish/black mix. So that's what they mean by black irish.

Blogger ray October 01, 2015 11:14 PM  

"why would the media imply that the death of a woman is a greater tragedy than the death of a man?"


For the same reason Obama rushes onstage and fakes 'rage' etc. Because implanting the image of a bullet going into a woman's chest is valuable propaganda for political and mass-manipulation purposes. It, well, targets the female audience, who drive the social, legal, and economic agendas of the U.S.

Mentioning a male's death doesn't produce that limbic effect in listening females, and in protector males. It is this type of mass emotion that drives and creates modern American institutions as servants of FI.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 11:22 PM  

@55 that's walking the line of terror-shaming and we cannot have that! lol

Blogger KC9ZNR October 01, 2015 11:25 PM  

In that myspace photo he's brandishing a Ruger 10/22. Is that the scary semi-automatic long gun the news is talking about? Also, and I'm probably a jerk for noticing, most of the women in the news images are obese.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 01, 2015 11:26 PM  

@73 IRA and Muslims would probably work together, the IRA has links to the NARCO guerilla's of South America too

Blogger haus frau October 01, 2015 11:48 PM  

Add to that, in OR, transport is only legal in a locked safe, secured to the car, and no ammo in the box. It is virtually impossible to defend yourself in those circumstances.


Well, for what it's worth I"m speaking as an Oregon resident. If you have a ccl Oregon permit you don't have to worry about that. Unlike Texas (from what I know, may have changed) you can carry in bars. Unlike Nebraska (once again, from what I know) you can carry in school and airports, and state offices including the capitol building. There are a lot of vague areas in the laws, especially if you don't have a ccl and just open carry. You can blame Jinny Burdick and her fellow progressive troglodytes for that.

Blogger David-093 October 01, 2015 11:59 PM  

"The name "Harper-Mercer" suggests Jewish."

It happened in Roseburg.

Rose. BURG.

Do I even need to say it?

Blogger JK October 02, 2015 12:13 AM  

Vox, I disagree that he didn't read the sign...my hypothesis is that he might not be able to read the sign due to myopia or some other correctable vision problem. So it is not his fault if a. the signs weren't big enough or b. he didn't have the money to get glasses. Therefore I propose that we lobby for a federal program to make the signs bigger and provide access to appropriate eye care for would be shooters.

Problem solved.

Blogger bob k. mando October 02, 2015 12:40 AM  

88. Cail Corishev October 01, 2015 10:30 PM
If that's his dating profile, it says he's a
conservative/Republican,


more interesting to me, he's "not religious but spiritual" and looking for a woman who is "pagan or wiccan".

how this qualifies as "conservative Republican", i have no idea.

OpenID Jack Amok October 02, 2015 12:45 AM  

Vox, I disagree that he didn't read the sign...my hypothesis is that he might not be able to read the sign due to myopia or some other correctable vision problem.

Perhaps if the signs were printed in Arabic and Ebonics?

Blogger Were-Puppy October 02, 2015 12:54 AM  

@90 Soga
The 3 G's of civilization.

God, Guns, and Great beer.
---

God n Guns

Blogger Markku October 02, 2015 1:03 AM  

Goodbye 8chan.

Blogger JK October 02, 2015 2:42 AM  

@102 Fabulous! And I also propose that they are made of bullet proof material and placed in locations that would be victim can take shelter until law enforcement arrives...no wait then we'd have to stock them with food and blankets.

Blogger rho October 02, 2015 2:47 AM  

"Gun free zones" don't have to mean all that much. (See "Woodham, Luke") Nobody much talks about Luke Woodham, because the situation didn't conform to the approved narrative.

In fact, if you're a liberal in a region big on gun control, you should avoid every "gun free zone". As a liberal, you should congregate in "gun positive zones" where people shoot and imprison the colored people you don't send your kids to private school with.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales October 02, 2015 3:09 AM  

"Make them say they want people who don't give up their guns to the government dead by government guns."

While this would be damning, how exactly would one go about convincing someone that they want those who don't give up their guns to be dead by government guns?

Blogger SciVo October 02, 2015 3:32 AM  

EMM @107: While this would be damning, how exactly would one go about convincing someone that they want those who don't give up their guns to be dead by government guns?

"What if people don't want to give up their guns?"

blah blah

"What if they say no?"

blah blah

"How would you make them?"

blah blah

"But they have guns too. That's what you're trying to take away."

blah blah

"But isn't that also all that the government's guns can do? Kill people?"

blah blah

"So if they say no to having their guns taken away, and you won't settle for anything less, and all that either of their guns can do is kill people, then what does it take to implement your policy?"

blah blah

"So there you go. You want for the government to use their guns kill anyone that you don't want to own a gun. You crazy homicidal gun nut."

Blogger VFM 188 October 02, 2015 3:42 AM  

I'm wondering how long the "conservative Republican" indication was on his dating profile. Did he change it very recently, knowing he was about to commit mass murder? So as to implicate and smear the Christian conservative Republicans he hated so much?

Blogger SciVo October 02, 2015 4:07 AM  

VFM 188 @109: I'm wondering how long the "conservative Republican" indication was on his dating profile.

Doesn't matter. Everyone who's ever been on a dating website knows that everyone lies on their dating profiles, and anyway we have plenty of elected representatives who falsely describe themselves as conservative Republicans. It's a meaningless phrase twice over in this case.

Blogger SciVo October 02, 2015 5:01 AM  

Incidentally, I've noticed that there are always fellow Oregonians in my favorite places, which seems improbable. I assume that we have a common culture, and I think this is a good unofficial motto:

If you're one of us, then don't cause trouble and there won't be trouble.

This cannot be overstated in any of its parts.

Blogger SciVo October 02, 2015 5:32 AM  

I'm basically commenting on everything except the OP because I'm still kind of stunned. I've been to Roseburg and don't really remember it. It's bland and forgettable. It's the last place in the world that I'd ever expect something like that to happen. I've probably done some work near there, but it's so undistinguished that I'm not sure. I'm just appalled and confused and trying not to think about it too much.

Blogger VFM 188 October 02, 2015 8:09 AM  

VFM 188 @109: I'm wondering how long the "conservative Republican" indication was on his dating profile.

SciVo: Doesn't matter. Everyone who's ever been on a dating website knows that everyone lies on their dating profiles.


No. Calling oneself a "conservative" and a "Republican" on a dating site (read: "lots of young people") is doubly odd. Young are politically foolish; that's why they vote Democrat overwhelmingly. Thus, being identified as either "conservative" OR "Republican" on a dating site is a date-killer. It doesn't make sense for this Christian-hater (another clue he wasn't conservative or Republican) to ID himself that way...UNLESS he intended to smear conservatives and Republicans on his way out.

Was he a registered Republican voter? Did he frequent and comment on conservative and/or Republican websites? Did he post conservative Republican thoughts or arguments online? Almost assuredly not. Remember: Christian-haters are almost always SJW's, and SJW's specialize in false-flag operations. Why? Because SJWs Always Lie!

Blogger Gaiseric ! October 02, 2015 8:27 AM  

It looks like early supposition that he might have had Muslim ties are not panning out. Black Lives Matter ties, on the other hand, look good still. And if Obama had a son, he'd look kinda like this guy, but I doubt he'll mention that again...

Blogger Doom October 02, 2015 8:42 AM  

It's got to happen. People will ignore everything up to mass murder it seems. Mandate "gay marriage", enforce and protect the butchering of babies, I can't even remember every evil that is being enforced by this government, too many to count for any one person. Toss in Christian leaders, who most seem to have surrendered to the government. Better red than dead, for them, I suppose.

If we are lucky, more of these things will happen. I want no part, do not approve, and would not support. I just don't think anyone will begin fighting back until people are murdered for being Christian, "white", capitalist, and such. Too many moderates. Thankfully, for the most part, it will be "moderates" who will be in the sort of mixes that will be targeted. So we aren't really losing that much, and the pr is fantastic. The devil always did shoot himself in the foot, even when killing other people. His minions are worse... or better at it... depending on how you look at things.

Blogger James Dixon October 02, 2015 9:15 AM  

> "25. The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will."

And this is why I identify as a barbarian.

OpenID Steve October 02, 2015 9:57 AM  

Calling oneself a "conservative" and a "Republican" on a dating site (read: "lots of young people") is doubly odd

Perhaps he was looking for gold diggers. I have been told that gay conservatives are supposed to have hot tubs the size of Olympic swimming pools, but those saying it obviously have no idea the upkeep costs that would entail. At least Rabbi B's pool filled with gold doesn't need chemicals or heat.

OpenID corvinus333 October 02, 2015 10:51 AM  

Black atheist targeting white Christians is my guess.

OpenID ymarsakar October 02, 2015 10:55 AM  

@107

While this would be damning, how exactly would one go about convincing someone that they want those who don't give up their guns to be dead by government guns?

Have you not seen the SWAT incidents where people's homes were broken into by armed para military units, because some Leftist reported the house as having guns and having drugs/hostages? All it takes is the home owner to wake up after midnight, hear the door crashing in, get his gun and point it at SWAT, and SWAT can eliminate a "target" with paid suspensions. while being "investigated".

Of course that doesn't solve the issue of convincing people, but it's not like this stuff is a fantasy.

Blogger Chris Ritchie October 02, 2015 11:17 AM  

For the combat trained / inclined: Why wouldn't it work to condition all people to bum rush a shooter the minute some nutjob starts wanting to shoot? Throw something, anything, at them for a distraction and then rush them. He might get one or two shots off but at least you're not getting shot in the head just standing there like a sheep. I can't speak for everyone else, but as my children get older, I'm going to teach them how to defend themselves. Number one - always be armed and you don't have to worry about rushing a shooter. But in the case that you're not armed, at least go down fighting. Every time I see one of these shootings I can't believe how pathetic people are.

No, I can't predict how I'd react in a situation like that. And no, there are no guarantees I wouldn't also freeze up. But if you train for those situations surely you can increase your odds of at least trying to act heroically instead of standing there waiting for some punk loser to shoot you in the head. I just don't get it.

Blogger borderwalker October 02, 2015 11:19 AM  

The shooter's (I'm with the local sheriff; I refuse to name him) dad has spoken with TV reporters on camera. He is as white as snow and has some kind of accent. (From the UK, I believe.)

Mom is avoiding the press, but in the local TV interviews I've been able to locate, all of their former neighbors at the LA apartment where Shooter lived with Mom are black.

They're pushing hard on reports that shooter called himself "conservative republican" on some dating-site profile, but that falls apart the minute they also report that he was shooting the students who identified themselves as Christian in the head.

It occurs to me: if the President had a son, he'd look like the shooter.

OpenID Steve October 02, 2015 12:09 PM  

For the combat trained / inclined... bum rush a shooter

Using my army medic training it would immediately set up shop 2 terrain features away. If I am somewhere I am not allowed to CCW I will be damned if I take a bullet for an Obama voter. That 21foot rule of knife fighters to be able to cut you involves people with pistols holstered. I have said it in a class I attended, after I mentioned veterans issues a woman said that I would save them if there was a shooter, "Nope I am not allowed to carry here so if there is a shooter I will be out that window and 2 terrain features away." leftists think people on the right will still defend them if hampered.

He is as white as snow ...Mom are black.

Despite working in inner city hospitals for 6+years I have only seen one oil driller in my entire life, and he was one of the ugliest white guys I have seen in my life. But then again black fathers seemed rarer than situs inversus .

Blogger Karl October 02, 2015 12:21 PM  

Rhetoric. http://oi58.tinypic.com/2rosyn6.jpg

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 02, 2015 12:35 PM  

In cattle towns such as Tombstone or Dodge City, the average number of homicides was only 1.5 or 2 a year, according to path-breaking research by Robert R. Dykstra of SUNY-Albany.

At first I accepted this statistic without thinking about it.

However, today, I realized that we should really look at the rate of homicides per 100,000 population or per 1,000 or whatever number is reasonable.

On the other hand, I do expect that Detroit would be far-and-away a winner in that class. Still, would be good to have those figures.

Blogger VFM 188 October 02, 2015 1:00 PM  

@#120, Chris: You're exactly right. Problem is, people freeze up. Plus they're conditioned to be passive. Why didn't the people in the twin towers airliners simply attack and kill the hijackers as soon as they made their move? Passivity. But note it hasn't happened again. Not even once.

What you recommend is what the three Americans did on the Paris train. Outcome good, although the shooter should have been killed on the spot by his intended victims.

Can't have everything.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 02, 2015 1:22 PM  

What you recommend is what the three Americans did on the Paris train. Outcome good, although the shooter should have been killed on the spot by his intended victims.

"I was afraid that his superhuman Muslim awesomeness would overcome my wimpy white ass, so I used the final solution."

OpenID corvinus333 October 02, 2015 1:29 PM  

Latest news is that this black dude is a "white supremacist"... and they still don't show us what he looks like.

The lamestream media are a bunch of dishonest little SJW shits.

OpenID corvinus333 October 02, 2015 1:31 PM  

Also, they do state he asked people their religion, but won't say he killed Christians.

Blogger CM October 02, 2015 2:03 PM  

He is as white as snow and has some kind of accent. (From the UK, I believe.)

Probably Irish if there's any weight to the IRA postings on his Social Media account.

Also findings he was friendly with a pro-terrorist Muslim.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 02, 2015 2:26 PM  

Guns are good.

Blogger luagha October 02, 2015 2:33 PM  

@120 Sadly, it's not that easy. A bad guy can snoot pretty quick and most thrown objects aren't enough of a distraction.

The Army guy who rushed him got shot 7 times but is expected to live; no major organs hit but both his legs broken. Prayers for him; he'll have a long recovery.

Blogger VFM 188 October 02, 2015 2:49 PM  

If a half dozen other people had rushed the guy at the same time as the Army guy, there would have been fewer deaths...and possibly no dead at all. That's why the 3 guys on the Paris train were successful; if only the one guy had rushed the shooter, he probably would have met the same fate as this one, and there would have been a lot of dead bodies on that train.

Blogger ray October 02, 2015 5:31 PM  

Shooter lived with Mommy. His 'father' lived a thousand miles away.

That's the beginning, and the end of all this. Like your nations.

But, right, if only people had 'rushed him'. If only everybody was armed. If only turtles were tortilla chips.

Guess what folks, when you don't get it, you Get It.

Blogger James Dixon October 02, 2015 8:44 PM  

> For the combat trained / inclined: Why wouldn't it work to condition all people to bum rush a shooter the minute some nutjob starts wanting to shoot?

As VFM 188 notes, it works a lot better for several people to rush him, preferably from different directions. He might shoot one or two, but then the rest can take him down.

OpenID Steve October 02, 2015 10:54 PM  

@127 Latest news is that this black dude is a "white supremacist"... and they still don't show us what he looks like.

The true white supremacists are those willing to risk life and limb trying to get to a white country for its welfare system being better than they could achieve on merit in their homeland. -bgs

Blogger The Other Robot October 02, 2015 11:51 PM  

Strange cleanups on Harper-Mercer's social media accounts and others.

Blogger The Other Robot October 03, 2015 2:36 PM  

Someone needs to take away CNN's bucket of whitewash.

Blogger SciVo October 03, 2015 8:02 PM  

VFM 188 @113: Was he a registered Republican voter?

No, registered Independent. And he was a fan of the Irish Republican Army, so he might not have even meant the same thing by the word as we do.

Blogger SciVo October 03, 2015 8:08 PM  

corvinus333 @118: Black atheist targeting white Christians is my guess.

Half-black pagan (on the left-hand path), otherwise correct. #BLM anti-Christian.

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