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Sunday, October 04, 2015

Stepping up the war on ISIS

The US State Department was complaining that Russia wasn't really hitting ISIS. It will be interesting to see what they will cry about next now that the Russian air force has increased its efforts:
Those of a skeptical persuasion have been inclined to suggest that perhaps the US isn’t fully committed to the fight. Explanations for that suggestion range from the mainstream (the White House is loathe to get the US into another Mid-East war) to the “conspiratorial” (the CIA created ISIS and thus doesn’t want to destroy the group due to its value as a strategic asset).
The implication in all of this is that a modern army that was truly determined to destroy the group could likely do so in a matter of months if not weeks and so once Russia began flying sorties from Latakia, the world was anxious to see just how long the various rebel groups operating in Syria could hold up under bombardment by the Russian air force.

The answer, apparently, is “less than a week.”

On Saturday, the Russian Ministry of Defense said it has conducted 60 bombing runs in 72 hours, hitting more than 50 ISIS targets. According to the ministry, Islamic State fighters are in a state of “panic” and more than 600 have deserted.
Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. But regardless, it's clear that Russia isn't playing around. And with Iran poised to send ground troops into Syria, it increasingly looks like the Obama administration and the neocons are likely to get an epic lesson in the unintended consequences of hubris.

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Blogger Soga October 04, 2015 2:06 AM  

Imagine that. No rules of engagement, and it sends ISIS reeling.

This is what happens when military men are ruthlessly effective.

Blogger dh October 04, 2015 2:06 AM  

Can someone more knowledge than I am explain why it's not a bad thing that US is not that involved in Syria? Why do we care if Russia or Iran gets involved?

Blogger Eric October 04, 2015 2:18 AM  

I'm not sure what the neocons have to do with any of this. Syria is 100% Obama's project.

Blogger Snorri October 04, 2015 2:28 AM  

Go, Putin!

Blogger Alexander October 04, 2015 2:38 AM  

Friendly reminder of how the Russians deal with terrorists & pirates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrkcQJ9i2I

Best line: "Why do you lie to me?"

Blogger finndistan October 04, 2015 2:45 AM  

With those 600 deserters soon in line for European welfare, "We welcome refugees" is fully under the crime of aiding terrorists.

Blogger Eric October 04, 2015 3:01 AM  

Alexander,

The Russians are doing it right. Pirates and terrorists are hostis humani generis and should be treated as such.

Blogger ZhukovG October 04, 2015 3:08 AM  

@2. dh

Supposedly, we have been bombing ISIS for months now, to little effect.

Now Russia goes in with just a couple squadrons and is giving ISIS all manner of hell. If Russia manages to stabilize Syria, the US will be humiliated in the eyes of the world.

That ancient devil Henry Kissinger sees the writing on the wall and has been arguing that we need to ally with Russia, and quickly.

My own little conspiracy theory is that, our bombing was just for show. We intended for either ISIS or al-Nusra to take down Asad, so that the neo-cons (Obama is their houseboy) could have another splendid little war in which we invade Syria to make it safe for democracy. Just like Iraq.

The two million Christians that would have been endangered was considered acceptable to the neo-cons.

Blogger Kallmunz October 04, 2015 3:37 AM  

Yeah yeah yeah whatever, just look at the great training the US military is doing!

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/10/fred-reed/if-the-imperial-military-is-a-pc-joke/

Blogger Shimshon October 04, 2015 3:44 AM  

ISIS has struck me for a while as a whole bunch of "sound and fury, signifying nothing." Yes, they're savage. Barbaric. Ruthless, even. It sure makes for great propaganda (for either side). But when faced against real, trained soldiers, I bet they do what most Arabs do, which is cut and run.

Blogger JAY WILL October 04, 2015 4:17 AM  

Whatever is going on any words coming out of Obamas and Camerons mouth are lies. Buzzwords like "liberal democracy" and "freedom" mean bombs will be dropped and hundreds of thousands will die. Multi national charities and organizations, UK's foreign aid program likely to be fronts for wealth transference between corrupt bureaucreacy. Not to say no good is done but somebody takes a nice big fat cut. Cronyism funding Blairs and Clintons jet setter lifestyle. And best of all after destabilizing these huge regions a clear attempt to flood the grazing white sheep of europe with the radicalized aftermath. They have nothing but contempt for anyone outside their bubble, ideally that needs to be replaced with fear. But that means us sheep are dragged in too. They are effectively my team whether I like it or not. But I continue to graze.

OpenID anonymos-coward October 04, 2015 4:26 AM  

My own little conspiracy theory is that, our bombing was just for show. We intended for either ISIS or al-Nusra to take down Asad, so that the neo-cons (Obama is their houseboy) could have another splendid little war in which we invade Syria to make it safe for democracy.
Conspiracy theory?? Literally every human being with a functioning brain from Istanbul to Seoul knows this to be the self-evident truth. Only those who live under the crooked-mirror brainwashing machine of the U.S. state-sponsored media could doubt that ISIS is funded and managed by the U.S. State Department.

Blogger Tom K. October 04, 2015 4:39 AM  

I guess this means Russia is the world's new Policeman. Good for them! Perhaps they'll do a better job of it than we have.

Better call Matt and Trey and tell them to get on that sequel!

Blogger Phillip George October 04, 2015 5:38 AM  

Yes the upshot is that soon Europe will be welcoming the people who fled ISIS, fled Assad's weapons of Mass destruction chemical attacks on his own people, fled the the rebel forces who the US backed, and, now flee the Russians who Hezbollah might back. As well now ISIS fleeing Russians will arrive in Europe and once across the borders be so impressed with diversity that they will sing democratic french liberation songs all night long.

Remember ISIS are radicalized but rebels who merely want to overthrown Assad's tyranny are liberal democrats.

POE's law; parody is indistinguishable from mainstream reporting. Europe needs more diversity. Wealthy countries need to do the heavy lifting. All this has nothing to do with Islam.

OpenID standingagainsttheworld October 04, 2015 5:54 AM  

''ISIS has struck me for a while as a whole bunch of "sound and fury, signifying nothing." Yes, they're savage. Barbaric. Ruthless, even. It sure makes for great propaganda (for either side). But when faced against real, trained soldiers, I bet they do what most Arabs do, which is cut and run.''

Unlike the Mongol military machine formed by Genghis Khan the real barbarians that make ISIS look like choirboys in comparison.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 04, 2015 7:04 AM  

@2

Inertia.

It's mattered for a long time because we couldn't meet our own energy needs domestically. We needed the Mideast. I'm not certain you can build a case for a domestic need on our part at this point.

@8

The bombing has been ineffective because Obama is a dithering, military micro-manager on top of being a pussy.. The man literally cannot make a snap decision, if there is any kind of uncertainty at all. He clearly want's one hundred percent clean military targets and this is impossible with ISIS, most of them just don't wear uniforms.

Putin on the other hand doesn't care about collateral at all.

Blogger Doom October 04, 2015 7:14 AM  

I am often accused of being neocon, even here. I just laugh if off. I don't care about going to war, only have notions once that is done. Russia is doing what I recommended being done, if it nothing works in that region, really. It is something. If Bush had taken out the leadership, then every group to take power over and over, that would have been much better. Still, what Russia is doing is going to end up being the same thing, though without taking out the leadership. It won't last long, most likely, in any case. What I had wanted done will be done, who does it matters not a whit.

Funny thing is, those who seem to be brushing Putin's rock and roll hair, what Charlie Brown amount there is, would have bitched if the US had done it. Laugh, I do. Neocon? Whatever. Do you ever even listen to yourselves? Hubida~hubida et. al.

Blogger Salt October 04, 2015 7:15 AM  

Putin could end up being quite effective, doing what is necessary in short order instead of drawing it out with patty cake rules and having various forms of damage increased over time. Think of sinking a few refugee boats in short order. No more boats coming.

Blogger Phillip George October 04, 2015 7:18 AM  

It was in this blog about 6 months ago I was awestruck by the fact apparent, that genuine conservatives from coast to coast are barracking for Putin against their own government. Put this in perspective. Kissinger is again, backing a winner.

A respecter of International boundaries
Invited into Syria
Backed by the Russian Orthodox Church
Lives in a country that makes Vodka.
Didn't cause Fukushima.
Biblical Scythians won't have their swords blunted by sword play. That won't do it. Afghanistan was a tactical retreat. Not forgotten by any means.
In my mind they are a pragmatic, stoic, honest, cheerful people. God's speed to them.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) October 04, 2015 7:22 AM  

Only those who live under the crooked-mirror brainwashing machine of the U.S. state-sponsored media could doubt that ISIS is funded and managed by the U.S. State Department.

A close relative who's been in the State Department's Diplomatic Security Services for years and was sent to Baghdad last year to prep for and defend their facilities against a potential invasion by an armored ISIS column might disagree with you. There was basically nothing when he got there, and when he left there were Apaches, a SEAL team, and nearby fighter-bombers to hold down the fort. Then again, Hillary was willing to throw them under the bus in Benghazi so perhaps you're right.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell October 04, 2015 7:35 AM  

The Russian goal seems pretty clear. They wish to put pressure on Syria's enemies to give the government enough time to stabilize itself. Russia doesn't wish to commit ground forces and sees no need. They've made moves in Baghdad as well. Their goal is for Syria, Iraq,and Iran to team up against Sunni extremism and be the ground forces.

Blogger Phillip George October 04, 2015 7:56 AM  

.....defend their facilities against a potential invasion by an armored ISIS column

how many F16's did the ISIS column down during their advances? How many intel satellites do ISIS task? Where do their pilots train I wonder? Good news services would have these questions down pat I would have thought.

Blogger Phillip George October 04, 2015 7:57 AM  

trolls, read and think, who are your audience these days?

OpenID karsten0 October 04, 2015 7:59 AM  

"I'm not sure what the neocons have to do with any of this."

They have everything to do with this. See:

"My own little conspiracy theory is that, our bombing was just for show. We intended for either ISIS or al-Nusra to take down Asad, so that the neo-cons (Obama is their houseboy) could have another splendid little war in which we invade Syria to make it safe for democracy."

Conspiracy theory?? Literally every human being with a functioning brain from Istanbul to Seoul knows this to be the self-evident truth."


And as for:

"Funny thing is, those who seem to be brushing Putin's rock and roll hair, what Charlie Brown amount there is, would have bitched if the US had done it."

And they would have been right to do so, because the US, as Israel's dog, would have been doing this to take down Assad (which it was basically accomplishing anyway), while Russia is doing it to save the Assad regime -- which, as Mideast regimes go, is a laudable one.

From the beginning, this entire neocon project had one purpose and one alone: to destabilize another regime that Israel perceived to be standing in the way of its interests. It was to be Iraq and Libya all over again. Putin might well be preventing that from happening.

Blogger Nate October 04, 2015 8:24 AM  

we've said it before... you can't take ground with an air force. On the other hand... this isn't hardened group of locals fighting for home. ISIS is bunch of guys fighting because we handed them guns and winning was easy in a power vacuum. Making winning harder has a chance of reducing their force.

It looks to me like the US wasn't really going after ISIS at all... and instead we were counting on ISIS to take out Assad so we could get Qatar their beloved pipeline.

Blogger Nate October 04, 2015 8:29 AM  

"Funny thing is, those who seem to be brushing Putin's rock and roll hair, what Charlie Brown amount there is, would have bitched if the US had done it. Laugh, I do."

That's just it... this is actually in Russia's best interests. Everything the US has done over there... its done for someone else's interests... ranging from Qatar's to Saudi's to Israel's.

We're also amused to see what happens when someone finally takes the gloves off.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 04, 2015 8:33 AM  

@20
The only reason Stevens was in Benghazi in the first place was to work with the Turks to ship Libyan weapons to ISIS.

Blogger Nate October 04, 2015 8:38 AM  

"The only reason Stevens was in Benghazi in the first place was to work with the Turks to ship Libyan weapons to ISIS. "

or to buy back Stinger Missiles from Al Queda.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 04, 2015 8:41 AM  

If Obama casts the Carter Doctrine aside and does nothing like implement a no fly zone over the moderate head chopper's areas of control how soon before Saudi Arabia starts talking about oil price "stability?"

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir October 04, 2015 8:45 AM  


"The bombing has been ineffective because Obama is a dithering, military micro-manager on top of being a pussy.. The man literally cannot make a snap decision, if there is any kind of uncertainty at all." --Cataline Sergius

Rahm and David not telling him what to say anymore?

Blogger Hammerli280 October 04, 2015 8:55 AM  

Neocons, my foot. We're seeing the difference between a gutless coward, Obama; and a hard-nosed leader, Putin.

It'll be interesting to see what the intelligence community makes of the Russian Air Force's performance.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 8:59 AM  

Would anyone be surprised if, a year from now, we're being told that we've always been at war with Russia to defend ISIS?

Blogger Doom October 04, 2015 9:11 AM  

Nate, some point there, but that doesn't make the tactics wrong or really matter in many senses. My problem is, again, with all the b.s. rules and limits. Just do it. And we should have kept a couple of heavy bases in Iraq. For them, to a degree. But we have spent more putting in trifling forces than the cost of keeping a couple of bases there. And we put them in without cover or a sweet-spot to set down in and start from.

I won't completely agree with what has been done, or how, but that isn't what I am trying to do. Russia isn't doing much more, or any better, really. And yet he is granted favor. Though I know a lot of the anti's here would be anti no matter what. Half rightly so. Just don't favor the other stooge for doing the same damn thing. Everyone wants their rock and roll hair brushed, nobody wants to pay for it or get their hands too dirty or spend too much coin. That's the gig. So be it. Quit bitching about this side while accepting that side doing the same thing.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 9:19 AM  

Why do we care if Russia or Iran gets involved?

We shouldn't. But USGov cares a lot, because it shows them to be bald-faced liars. They've been selling the narrative that they're trying to stop ISIS, but it's complicated, you know. Russia shows that it's not that complicated, which means they haven't really been trying. So the question becomes: Why does USGov want ISIS to continue operations in the area?

It's almost like the US president is a Muslim who wants to help restore the Caliphate and gets a warm feeling every time Christians in the region are killed or made homeless. But that's just crazy talk.

OpenID karsten0 October 04, 2015 9:23 AM  

" we should have kept a couple of heavy bases in Iraq."

We shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place, you neocon.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 04, 2015 9:29 AM  

@26:

"this is actually in Russia's best interests. Everything the US has done over there... its done for someone else's interests"

Putin actually gives a shit about RUSSIA, which is far more than anyone in US.gov gives a shit about the US. US.gov is off masturbating over world climate and the desires of the rootless NWO elite.

Which is why Trump will will, because he gives a shit about the US, for his own personal reasons. I'll take his greed over the climate and NWO because his is predicated on the success of the US.

I also propose a poll:

Who would you prefer as president of the US; Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin?

Blogger Josh October 04, 2015 9:44 AM  

It's almost like the US president is a Muslim who wants to help restore the Caliphate and gets a warm feeling every time Christians in the region are killed or made homeless. But that's just crazy talk.

Because secret Muslims love bombing weddings and hospitals and killing thousands of Muslims...

Blogger VD October 04, 2015 9:58 AM  

It looks to me like the US wasn't really going after ISIS at all... and instead we were counting on ISIS to take out Assad

I always thought that was obvious. None of the Western governments are actually going after ISIS; they don't even arrest ISIS members who are active inside their own borders. And it appears the Russians are not expecting to defeat ISIS with their airpower, but are using it to support a ground offensive by Iran and Hezbollah.

Israel has got to be very careful, because they have no ability to publicly protest this and they do NOT want to be exposed as supporting ISIS, if that does happen to be the case. I know both Lebanese and Israelis who are much more concerned about ISIS than they are about Assad.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 04, 2015 10:08 AM  

@17 Doom
Funny thing is, those who seem to be brushing Putin's rock and roll hair, what Charlie Brown amount there is, would have bitched if the US had done it.
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This is a point that I cannot escape when reading about these things.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 10:08 AM  

Because secret Muslims love bombing weddings and hospitals and killing thousands of Muslims...

Acceptable collateral damage?

Actually, I don't think Obama's a devout Muslim; I just like throwing that out there once in a while because during the election even Republicans said there was no way he could be, that was just crazy talk. But if he were, how could you tell the difference?

Really, I think he's reflexively anti-Christian the same way he's anti-white and anti-American, so he's naturally going to try to support whoever's of like mind on those things to the extent he can get away with it. And of course he's not alone; there are others who have a say in his decisions.

Blogger Doom October 04, 2015 10:11 AM  

karsten0,

Hahaha! We WERE there, and at that point what we did or did not do is what was important. I agree, however, actually, that we should have been there. Not to create a state, just to thrash the place, then on to Syria (which also is happening, only the Russians are doing that, which many of you "non-neocons" seem to support). You are arguing about what if's that aren't a part of the program. Either get with the program or get back in the closet, whichever one you fit. But don't expose your foolishness so easily. I have no trouble spotting and slamming it.

If you can't keep up, don't step up.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 04, 2015 10:15 AM  

@36 Bluntobj Winz
I also propose a poll:

Who would you prefer as president of the US; Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin?
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Great. 2 guys who don't have American interests at heart. I would write in "Howard the Duck" if this was my choice.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 04, 2015 10:17 AM  

@37 Josh

Because secret Muslims love bombing weddings and hospitals and killing thousands of Muslims...
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Of course they do.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 10:19 AM  

Great. 2 guys who don't have American interests at heart.

But that's the point of the poll: how many people think that if Putin were president of the US, he would have American interests at heart in a way that Obama doesn't even pretend to anymore?

Blogger ZhukovG October 04, 2015 10:36 AM  

@36 Bluntobj Winz

I believe there was a demonstration in Germany where the crowd was yelling, "Merkel to Siberia, Putin to Berlin".

Blogger Danby October 04, 2015 10:46 AM  

I think Putin has enough pride in himself to do the best job he could as American president so long as it was in the best interest of Russia as well. In other words, he'd be better than Obama, but still not anything I want.

Did you ever think you'd miss Bill Clinton?

Blogger Danby October 04, 2015 10:47 AM  

Moslems bomb Moslem hospitals and weddings all the time. Nothing new there.

Blogger VD October 04, 2015 10:49 AM  

Either get with the program or get back in the closet, whichever one you fit. But don't expose your foolishness so easily. I have no trouble spotting and slamming it.

Doom, your assessment is totally wrong. You cannot credibly compare what Putin is doing to what the USA has been doing. To say: "hurr durr, Russia iz bombing too, you foolish, me smart" is totally fucking retarded.

Putin is acting to stabilize the government of Syria. The USA has acted to destabilize the governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Ukraine, Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt. And I may be missing a few. You are confusing a tactic - dropping bombs - with both strategy and grand strategy.

The reason many Americans, Germans, Arabs, and others are supporting Putin is because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. American neocons are far more dangerous and inimical to American interests than Putin or the Russians. So there is nothing ironic or unexpected of American support of Putin, nor is it foolish.

What is foolish is thinking that the necons have been acting in the American interest. They are not. They have harmed the US military, they have destroyed US foreign policy, and they have turned nearly the entire world against the USA. Including Europe.

Blogger Hunsdon October 04, 2015 10:52 AM  

I assume that everyone here has read the full transcript of the interview of Vladimir Putin by Charlie Rose. If you haven't, why not? It's available---my preferred version was the one from the Kremlin website. Read it and think about it, perhaps it will inform your comments.

Anyone who thinks that the United States' main goal in Syria is the destruction of ISIS is woefully misinformed.

The US has said that the Russian presence in Syria is bad because it will make it harder to destroy ISIS. Stop and think on that for a minute.

Blogger Doom October 04, 2015 11:14 AM  

I realize you are on Putin's side. He's in your program, or vice versa. I don't expect you to agree, you have sold into his system. I just disagree with it. And, yes, Russia is doing the same thing. In basic theory. Assad won't last, not long. Too many don't want him to, including Russia. He is simply convenient for the moment. A jab in the US and Euro eye. Well deserved, but it's the same game. The ends will all be the same. Russia isn't a rogue, just playing one for the cameras.

Stabalize? With bombing runs? Who said you can't win a war with air power? Oh, right... You, among others.

Neocons, acting in the US best interest? I think I denied that myself. But neither is Putin. There isn't an actor, or political force, that is on the side of the US... nationally, civilly, or politically. Trying to say Putin is is just as foolish. And yet, I have already agreed, that I support what he is doing. I simply don't support those who say this, that, and the other, when it really is all the same.

That's how I see it.

Blogger VD October 04, 2015 11:36 AM  

Stabalize? With bombing runs? Who said you can't win a war with air power? Oh, right... You, among others.

What part of "Iran and Hezbollah are supplying the ground troops" escaped your attention? Also, Syria has ground troops. Putin isn't trying to win the civil war with air strikes. He's simply using it to shift the balance of power in favor of the Assad regime.

You need to stop thinking in childish good/evil terms. Putin is not acting in American interests. But unlike the neocons and the US government, he is not acting against them either.

Blogger Hunsdon October 04, 2015 11:40 AM  

@50

Doom: I now channel De Niro: You talkin' to me? Oh, no, it's VD, but let me jump in. (I'm like the Kanye West of this thread, uninvited but making an ass of myself anyway!)

You know, generally by this point folks start saying I'm all queer for Putin, which I regard as the last desperate playground resort of someone outclassed in terms of actual arguments. Your post is mostly blather without much actual substance, or perhaps I'm just not smart enough to pick up on the substance.

Air power without ground power is ineffective in taking and holding territory. Sure. I think that the Russian plan is to use Russian air power and Syrian and Iranian ground power. (We call that "combined arms.")

I think your comments used to have more substance. I look forward to that once more being the case.

Blogger Jack Ward October 04, 2015 11:46 AM  

@34 and 40 With respect Cal, I have long considered obama a semi-secret muslim. He is working toward the caliphate and the destruction of our country. His actions and in-actions speak for themselves. The wonder is that our so called checks and balances have not removed him from power or that there has not been a military coup by those that take their oaths seriously.

Blogger luagha October 04, 2015 11:48 AM  

Israel has had many opportunities to take out Assad. They fly bombing runs 15 meters above his house when he pisses them off.
When they catch wind of him building secret nuclear facilities they bomb inside his country and laugh.
When they catch wind of him transporting weapons to Hamas they bomb inside his country and laugh.

Who wants to get rid of that? He's the devil they know and they know he's smart enough not to start a war over their retaliatory actions. That is not the case with any possible replacements. Certainly not with hard-line ISIS style Islamists.

The idea of Obama doing something to benefit Israel also doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

It IS a little strange that his pro-Iran advisor, Valerie Jarrett, would let this happen to an Iran ally.

Blogger Hunsdon October 04, 2015 11:51 AM  

@53.

Jack Ward: If the problem is Obama, then everything should take a turn for the better at the end of his term, right?

Blogger Rusty Fife October 04, 2015 11:52 AM  

According to Richard Fernandez,

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2014/11/03/the-dreaded-gopro-tanks/

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/05/30/the-further-adventures-of-the-gopro-tanks

The tactical game has devolved into scouts & snipers fighting over lines of sight. If Richard's assessment is correct, the Russian air cover and radio countermeasures is going to be decisive.

Blogger Forrest Bishop October 04, 2015 11:58 AM  

Doom,

I too am one of Putin's key advisors. I tried to convince him to run for US President way back in 2008 but he mumbled something about prior commitments. It was a feint, and now we can see his grand strategy in play- saddle up the US with Obama. Truly a grandmaster.

@48. VD
Putin is acting to stabilize the government of Syria. The USA has acted to destabilize the governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Ukraine, Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt [and lots more].

The reason many Americans, Germans, Arabs, and others are supporting Putin is because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. American neocons are far more dangerous and inimical to American interests than Putin or the Russians.


That's how lots of us read it. Maybe Putin 2016?

===============
Ted Nugent tells a story-

So, I was walking through Chicago and I saw that there was a "Muslim Book Store". I was wondering what exactly was a Muslim bookstore, so I went in.

As I was wandering around taking a look, the clerk stopped me and asked if he could help me.

I imagine I didn't look like his normal clientele, so I asked, "Do you have a copy of Donald Trump's book on his U.S. Immigration Policy regarding Muslims and illegal Mexicans?"

The clerk said, "GET OUT! GET OUT AND STAY OUT!"

I said, "Yes, that's the one. Do you have it in paperback?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 12:29 PM  

I have long considered obama a semi-secret muslim. He is working toward the caliphate and the destruction of our country.

I agree, except that I think he sees the caliphate (or Muslim ascendancy in general) as a means to the end of that destruction rather than a goal in itself. I don't think he's a devout Muslim in the sense that he prays to Mecca when no one's looking. I've never seen any sign that he "believes in" anything other than his own whims, and some New Age-y vocabulary he used during the election backs that up. But he's an enemy of America, especially the Norman Rockwell version of Christian America that he was thinking of when he spat about "clinging to God and guns," and the enemy of his enemy is his friend. Right now, Muslims are one of the most promising enemies of his enemy, and the racial angle with African Muslims just makes it sweeter for him.

No, that doesn't mean things will get better when he's out of office, because whoever takes over will have his (or her) own reasons for continuing to meddle over there. Obama's demons are only part of it; it's also about Israel and pipelines and globalism. The focus may change -- with a Republican in charge, it would be less about propping up jihadists and more about pleasing the Saudis and annoying Putin -- but the bottom line wouldn't change much.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 04, 2015 12:59 PM  

A command center in the middle of nowhere is going to have a HUGE EM signature. They can remote locate the antennas a few hundred feet, and the transmitters a few miles (using telephone wire). Real quickly though, they will run out of equipment and have to resort to runners. This will put a bigger delay in their Operation Level OODA loop.

Eventually, they will have to risk their commanders in the fight.

The US hasn't had solid contact with ISIS, or the willingness to spend innocent lives, to do any real targeting. In some ways, letting the locals get a taste of the Caphilate good and hard has been useful to the West's morale objectives.

I wonder if Assad really wants the interior desert region back anyways. Let the Sunnis keep it.

Blogger bw October 04, 2015 1:24 PM  

Ted Nugent tells a story-

He got some dark meat backstraps from that particular rhetorical and mystical arrow's flight.

OpenID Steve October 04, 2015 1:41 PM  

Can someone more knowledge than I am explain why it's not a bad thing that US is not that involved in Syria?

Only a nickel out of every dollar given to Unicef actually does charity work, Unicef is the largest poisoner of children in history, imagine what they could have done with a quarter out of every dollar. We are involved in Syria but backing the wrong whores.

The bombing has been ineffective because Obama is a dithering, military micro-manager on top of being a pussy

Actually the chief of the army is a faggot. This is an awkward phrasing.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/obama-taps-first-gay-army-chief-first-president-drummed-out-soldier-sodomy

Because secret Muslims love bombing weddings and hospitals and killing thousands of Muslims

Moslems are willing to kill other moslems that have minor disagreements with them like how old is too old for Bacha Bazi, and will even use their own kids for human shields. Using their own kids for human shields works out best for us.

NATEyou can't take ground with an air force.

If you blow the base under the kindergarden you get a twofer. I guess you forgot Clinton bombing hospitals and news agencies when the indigenous Serbs tried to kick out illegal alien moslems.

It'll be interesting to see what the intelligence community makes of the Russian Air Force's performance.

I posted before that the Oregon shooter like the Boston Marathon moslems was on the Russian naughty moslem list that we refused to use because Islam is the religion of pieces.

Who would you prefer as president of the US; Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin? Get that man a Hawaiian birth certificate

Doom- Assad is a bad, bad man You have to be a bad man to make moslems behave.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 04, 2015 1:45 PM  

@53 Jack Ward
@34 and 40 With respect Cal, I have long considered obama a semi-secret muslim. He is working toward the caliphate and the destruction of our country. His actions and in-actions speak for themselves. The wonder is that our so called checks and balances have not removed him from power or that there has not been a military coup by those that take their oaths seriously.
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I always thought there was no impeachment because we'd be stuck with Biden next. But as time has gone by, I now think it's because Cucks have been in charge of the congress.

Where is a military coup provided for in the constitution? And if a military coup were to happen, how would the constitution be used to inform whatever happens next?

Blogger Were-Puppy October 04, 2015 1:51 PM  

@57 Forrest Bishop October

Ted Nugent tells a story-

So, I was walking through Chicago and I saw that there was a "Muslim Book Store". I was wondering what exactly was a Muslim bookstore, so I went in.

As I was wandering around taking a look, the clerk stopped me and asked if he could help me.

I imagine I didn't look like his normal clientele, so I asked, "Do you have a copy of Donald Trump's book on his U.S. Immigration Policy regarding Muslims and illegal Mexicans?"

The clerk said, "GET OUT! GET OUT AND STAY OUT!"

I said, "Yes, that's the one. Do you have it in paperback?
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Ted Nugent, still rockin' after all these years :P

If he was so inclined, could he file some kind of discrimination complaint against the store?

Blogger Billy October 04, 2015 4:20 PM  

"Because secret Muslims love bombing weddings and hospitals and killing thousands of Muslims"- Obama's mother is jewish. He was raised by his jewish grandparents. It always seemed to me that his actions were more in support of jews than muslims.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 04, 2015 4:35 PM  

It always seemed to me that [Obama's] actions were more in support of jews than muslims.

Until I started learning the pre-Boomer history of Christendom that's no longer taught in schools, I didn't realize there's not necessarily much conflict between those two things.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan October 04, 2015 4:47 PM  

I read the full interview Putin did. The man is the only political leader that I think currently merits some respect. He is demonstrably doing things that are to the benefit of his countrymen.

Blogger Forrest Bishop October 04, 2015 4:52 PM  

@63. Were-Puppy
@57 Forrest Bishop
Ted Nugent tells a story-


Post facto check- that might not be an actual Nugentism. It doesn't show up on his highly entertaining Facebook page.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 04, 2015 5:04 PM  

Because secret Muslims love bombing weddings and hospitals and killing thousands of Muslims...

Well yeah, actually. Muslims don't care about their own people. The Caliphate is all that matters. A few thousand dead at wedding parties is just a useful statistic.

Blogger Forrest Bishop October 04, 2015 5:17 PM  

@61. Steve
I posted before that the Oregon shooter like the Boston Marathon moslems was on the Russian naughty moslem list that we refused to use because Islam is the religion of pieces.

Boston Marathon was a fake event, replete with crisis actors, patsies, the whole 9 yards. So was Sandy Hook, Aurora Batman, and many others. Oregon shooter TBD.

Who would you prefer as president of the US; Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin? Get that man a Hawaiian birth certificate

All you need is Photoshop, like they did for Obama. Pro tip: this time, pleaseremember to flatten the layers. Why did they post the unflattened version on the official .gov site? Mathis (and others) has a "turf war" theory-

But how does that help them sell gun control and a race war, you will ask. It can't. We have evidence
of two competing teams here, I think. As I have said regarding previous fake events, we appear to have
one team honestly trying to fake the event, and another embedded team foiling them at every turn...

So we have two layers of story. We have the primary layer created by DHS, which is poorly
constructed but which might still hold water as long as it is edited and sold in the right way. But then
we have a secondary layer added at the last minute by the CIA (or whatever agency), created expressly
to deflate the first layer...

CIA wants this DHS event to self-destruct, because CIA wants to totally
blow the cover of DHS. If DHS eventually fails in toto and is defunded, more money will be available
for the older Intelligence agencies.


Some folks prefer to root for the team that is "honestly trying to fake the event."

Blogger Lost Pilgrim October 04, 2015 6:17 PM  

The reason the Russians are effective fighting ISIS is because they are fighting ISIS and their rebel allies. We have not been fighting ISIS. We have been supplying them directly and indirectly with support and weapons.

Putin's move has exposed the US work in Syria as the lies it always was. We are the ones that created the ridiculous media campaign that petered out when the bloggers were exposed as out right frauds (Amina anyone?) and now the faux military campaign on our part is being exposed. I wonder how long before they start bombing the supply caches we have been giving to AQ and ISIS?

Blogger Curtis October 04, 2015 6:17 PM  

That which shifts in Saudi Arabia's regional favor, shifts in the favor of our natural resource conglomerates favor.

Okay?

If anyone thinks Obama is the maker and shaker of all this, they are sadly mistaken. Your State Dept. and CIA does not work in your favor, but in the favor U.S. business.

Blogger Eric October 04, 2015 6:28 PM  

@karsten0

They have everything to do with this. See:

"My own little conspiracy theory is that, our bombing was just for show. We intended for either ISIS or al-Nusra to take down Asad, so that the neo-cons (Obama is their houseboy) could have another splendid little war in which we invade Syria to make it safe for democracy."


I see no evidence this would be true. Obama is a fool, but he's not that stupid. Nor is he some kind of "neocon". Obama is trying to support the secular Syrian rebels (to the extent they exist at all) in his own, bumbling way. The reason the air strikes have been ineffective is the ROE have been set such that Obama never has to open the morning paper and see that we blew up a bus with women and children on it. The ISIS guys, being evil but not being idiots, simply travel and bed down with their families, or with local families. Should we bomb them they'll police up all the weapons and call it a wedding party. Maybe they can borrow Green Helmet Guy from Lebanon.

And of course Obama realizes this. He knows the air strikes are ineffective, but this way it looks like he's doing something, and at the end of the day after staking his personal and political legacy on disentangling US forces from the ME there's no way he's going to put US troops into Syria no matter what happens. But he has a problem - the very existence of ISIS makes him look bad. Well, it makes the US look bad, too, but the petulant man-child at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue doesn't care about that. For Obama to extricate himself from Syria ISIS will have to be defeated militarily, but without any US boots on the ground.

Which is why you could hear the sighs of relief all the way from Washington as the Russians got directly involved. This way the situation will be resolved, and Putin owns whatever negative fallout results. Whatever he may say publicly, Obama is thrilled the Russians have taken this problem off his hands, and this way the US can carp from the sidelines as if we were Europeans. "You're not doing it right," Obama will tell the Russians as they do what needs to be done. "What horrible human rights violators you are." It's win-win all around.

I would not at all be surprised if Russian actions in Ukraine, whatever they may be, were studiously ignored by western governments from this time forward. Putin will hold the key to the stability of Iraq and also the valve that floods Europe with "refugees". He's in position to play Master-Blaster to Europe's Bartertown.

@Nate

we've said it before... you can't take ground with an air force. On the other hand... this isn't hardened group of locals fighting for home. ISIS is bunch of guys fighting because we handed them guns and winning was easy in a power vacuum. Making winning harder has a chance of reducing their force.

I wish it were that simple. The Iraqi Sunnis were actively helping ISIS during their push into Iraqi territory. The invaders were, for all intents and purposes, on home ground. And they'll be on home ground against any army that tries to dislodge them.

Also, to a large extent the ISIS command structure is made up of and advised by former officers in the Iraqi military under Saddam. Retaking that same ground would be quite a bit more difficult for a foreign army (or an Iraqi government army) than it was for ISIS. These are guys who fought a war against Iran and two against the US. They know what they're doing. And I expect at this point they've trapped and mined the place to an impressive degree.

Not that we (or the Brits or the Russians or the French or...) couldn't do it. But the cost would be high.

Blogger pbuxton October 04, 2015 7:12 PM  

@Were-Puppy : lol

Blogger Chris Mallory October 04, 2015 7:22 PM  

@72 "Obama is a fool, but he's not that stupid. Nor is he some kind of "neocon"."

Obama may not be a NeoCon, but he is controlled by them. NeoCons have infested all levels of the US government since the early 1990s, especially in the departments of State and Defense. Obama is nothing but a puppet, just like Bush the Lesser and Clinton before him.

Blogger Doom October 04, 2015 8:34 PM  

Vox,

I don't see ground troops doing anything. If I do see that, I'll give you that. Until then it's all talk.

Hunsdon,

If you want to channel someone, don't channel a hard lefty or his characters. Not when trying to convince people that you aren't on the wrong side of things. So, yes, YOU! Talking right at you.

Forest Bishop,

I have grave doubts. And a grin.

Blogger Dago October 04, 2015 8:58 PM  

"To say: "hurr durr, Russia iz bombing too, you foolish, me smart" is totally fucking retarded."

I came to that conclusion about him a long while back. Tend to skip most of his comments now.

Blogger Bobo #117 October 04, 2015 9:39 PM  

"Obama is nothing but a puppet, just like Bush the Lesser and Clinton before him."

Correct you are, Chris. He does what he's damn well told to do, he says what he's damn well told to say.

Blogger Jmac October 04, 2015 11:04 PM  

@Doom "I don't see ground troops doing anything. If I do see that, I'll give you that. Until then it's all t
talk."

You can't be this dense, or maybe you are. Air strikes come before any ground assault, it should be obvious why. Right now I am guessing the Russians are clearing Assad's supply lines and softening up targets for the coming ground troops.

Blogger Markku October 05, 2015 12:26 AM  

The difference between this, and past neocon hatred, is the same difference as why you don't give an assault rifle to a kid but you do to an adult. USA can't be trusted with these wars. Russia can. Now it's finally grown-ups in charge over there, so we can let out a sigh of relief.

Blogger Markku October 05, 2015 12:54 AM  

The Obama birth certificate layer argument doesn't hold water, though, and should not be used. I used to make it myself at the time also, but sadly it turns out I was mistaken. Here is a pdf of a book that is produced with similar technology - by scanning each page and using an intelligent pdf creator to turn it into a massive pdf; but not quite so massive as if each page were scanned into just plain, simple bitmaps.

Screenshot from Inkscape

Here is a page of it, with layers together and with layers separated. Each paper background is slightly different, so this is not just a texture that is placed from some asset library behind a transparent text.

So, clearly what the best programs available do is, they analyze the spatial frequencies in the image. High frequency areas are determined to be text, and they are placed on one layer with more accurate compression. Low frequency areas are determined to be background, and they are placed in another layer with much more aggressive compression, as they don't hold crucial information.

This is consistent with what I saw in the birth certificate pdf.

Blogger Markku October 05, 2015 1:00 AM  

Especially take note at how there is almost no trace of the large "DOGMATIC THEOLOGY" on the background layer. You can see that something was there, but you couldn't possibly tell what.

But the scanner saw just one image. How did it know what would be "behind" the text?

Well, that is the magic of Fourier transform. It can do some pretty amazing things. Remove high spatial frequencies from an image, and things just disappear.

Blogger Markku October 05, 2015 1:04 AM  

It's just *poof*, like they were never even there.

Like Chris Harper's mother.

Blogger Thucydides October 05, 2015 2:29 AM  

All this talk about how ISIS is a US project and on and on misses the point that the Arabs and nations of the Middle East have their own agendas and programs which have nothing to do with us.

ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhoods received support from the Gulf States in order to promote a radical Salafi version of Sunni Islam in opposition to Iranian Shiite Islam, and taking out Assad was meant to derail Iran's attempt to become a regional hegemon. Flooding the world with oil to drive down prices was Saudi Arabia's means of depriving Iran of revenues (and the fact that it hurt Iranian allies like Syria and Russia simply made it better). If I were to place a bet, I'd say that ISIS will be getting more support in order to do the KO of Assad and take the fight directly to the Russians (and given their current economic situation, I'm wondering just how long they can continue to carry out these foreign adventures).

Obama's epic fail in Syria and the Middle East has nothing to do with the neocons, Obama explicitly disavowed them and claimed victory for himself when he withdrew US troops from Iraq, and his bumbling attempts to direct the Arab Spring movement failed since he and his advisors simply had no comprehension of what was behind this or what the goals of the Muslim Brotherhoods are. Please give credit where credit is due.

You are correct in saying the aftermath will be pretty horrible for Europe, at least until the Nativist political parties take control and drive out the "migrants" and "refugees" (but living under National Socialist regimes after the cleansing will be no less attractive for the Europeans).

So as the Chinese are wont to say; we will live in interesting times.....

Blogger Jmac October 05, 2015 3:10 AM  

"Obama's epic fail in Syria and the Middle East has nothing to do with the neocons, Obama explicitly disavowed them and claimed victory for himself when he withdrew US troops from Iraq, and his bumbling attempts to direct the Arab Spring movement failed since he and his advisors simply had no comprehension of what was behind this or what the goals of the Muslim Brotherhoods are. Please give credit where credit is due."

Not explicitly neocon I agree, but Obama is Wilsonian, as have been nearly every US President since WWII. Like Bush and the neocons he wants to bring democracy to non-democratic states, he just disagrees on methods. It's all rooted in American expectationalism, or hubris if you prefer.

Obama has been gun shy when it comes to using force because of the disaster Bush left him, but hasn't been shy about his desire to see "dictators" removed from Libya to Ukraine.

I do agree he's made a mess of his Middle East policy because he and his advisers misread the Arab Spring as a truly democratic revolution, when it wasn't. But this is related to American desire to see all states become democratic. It's a blind spot for American policy-makers.

Blogger Curtis October 05, 2015 3:40 AM  

Bringing democracy to non-democratic states means (as in Saudi style democracy), to the western power brokers, you will be our bitch. It has nothing to do with democracy. It really is amazing how some people look at all this with tender virgin minds. In fact, some sound as if they were giving MSM talking points.

Oh swoon, It's all about democracy (waves flag with vibrant puppy look). It really is. Obama is just misguided.

And those guys who wrote PNAC were just kidding.

Meh. Bush is responsible for disengaging from Iraq, which had nothing to do with anything except for removing Saddam because he was becoming un-bitched.

It is nothing more than a battle for resources.

I'll agree that the CIA and State Dept got way in over their heads and miscalculated.

Blogger Eric October 05, 2015 3:54 AM  

Not explicitly neocon I agree, but Obama is Wilsonian, as have been nearly every US President since WWII. Like Bush and the neocons he wants to bring democracy to non-democratic states, he just disagrees on methods. It's all rooted in American expectationalism, or hubris if you prefer.

That's it exactly. The real difference between Obama and Bush is Obama wants to do it all on the cheap - he thought all he would have to do to end up with a secular, democratic Syria was hand out some food and ammo to the right people. Well, that and deliver yet another lecture explaining everyone's own best interests to them. He thinks the locals want a secular democracy because that's what he would want in their place, and no evidence to the contrary will sway him.

But none of this had to do with some fantasy deep neocon state. The guy is incompetent That's the start and the end of it.

Putin has it right:
I'm urged to ask those who created this situation: do you at least realize now what you've done? ... I'd like to tell those who engage in this: Gentlemen, the people you are dealing with are cruel but they are not dumb. They are as smart as you are. So, it's a big question: who's playing who here?

OpenID ymarsakar October 05, 2015 5:17 AM  

The Neo cons were never with Hussein's foreign policy, that was due to the change over from Bush II to the Democrat Regime, as well as Leftist propaganda, which most people paid attention to before they woke the hell up after 2008.

OpenID ymarsakar October 05, 2015 5:20 AM  

Because secret Muslims love bombing weddings and hospitals and killing thousands of Muslims...

AQ killed plenty of Muslims under Bush II in Iraq and loved it.

ISIL is Sunni Caliphate loyal, which means all Shia are tortured or put to death for heresy. They aren't even "secret muslims".

Blogger Harry Spitz October 05, 2015 3:39 PM  

It helps when you stop worrying about the enemy's 'dependents' (aka 'human shields') and get down to the business of killing the enemy.

Blogger Sheep_dog October 05, 2015 3:54 PM  

Watch what the Ruskies do, not what they say.

I'd fear a rules of engagement free airforce than a hand-cuffed drone. And, I'd bet that the GRU and their secret squirrels are bunny-hopping about too

Blogger SciVo October 06, 2015 1:56 AM  

Who would you prefer as president of the US; Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin?

Neither. I would prefer a President who actually cares about Americans.

Blogger SciVo October 06, 2015 2:12 AM  

I always thought there was no impeachment because we'd be stuck with Biden next. But as time has gone by, I now think it's because Cucks have been in charge of the congress.

We'll find out which it is if Biden is the candidate. I say unpossible, he's Obama's assassination insurance, so dumb and creepy that even a homicidal maniac wouldn't want to put him in office. If he's the Democrat candidate then I'm wrong.

Blogger Duke of Earl October 06, 2015 7:37 PM  

Putin's rules of engagement?

"See that Muslim? I want his heart."

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 06, 2015 8:32 PM  

Part of the communists manifesto is the worship and promotion of central banking, right?

From what I understand, Pres. Putin is not entertaining those terms and conditions.

91 neither. Pres. Putin, alpha male wants to ensure Russia, his people/common regional relations and rightfully so.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 06, 2015 8:37 PM  

79 Agreed. The neoconning mind control of fear, abuse, irrational policy and other nonsense has statesiders fed up.

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