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Thursday, October 29, 2015

The anti-nationalist enemy

Even the mainstream Right is beginning to recognize that things have irretrievably changed and there is no going back to a sane and reasonably unified America:
A globalized faux cosmopolitanism — simultaneously tribalist and anti-national — seems to have taken much greater hold in the current administration (and perhaps even among some of its supposed political opponents). Yet the Left’s allegiance to the comfortable pieties of the Sixties seems part of the reason for its many failures.

This worldview sees a rural good ol’ boy clinging to his guns and his religion as the greatest foe of “progress.” Thus, it is woefully unprepared to confront the reality of black-robed fanatics beheading religious minorities, enslaving villages, and setting fire to the Middle East. Because of its limited moral imagination, it also struggles to persuade a heterogeneous body politic. Early proponents of Great Society welfare policies might not have foreseen how, too often, well-intentioned government dictates could destroy communities, tear apart families, and destroy the foundation of economic opportunity. Experience has — or should have — disabused us of this naïveté. And say what you will about the dangers of central planning, the technocrats of the past were at least able to do things like put a man on the Moon. The mandarins of today struggle to get a health-care website up and running. Outside the narrowly political realm, as the Far Left claims a resurgent voice in cultural affairs, we have increasingly seen how radical progressive politics are a cultural dead end: Rather than a spirit of creativity, exploration, and accomplishment, radical leftism gives us only the petty tyranny of a Maoist struggle session.
The fact that the globalist Left fails to understand its enemy is a feature, not a bug. We know them. They don't know us. That means we will win, but only if we show up everywhere they are and refuse to continue to concede any ground, intellectual or otherwise.

That means NOT adopting their social justice ideals or their rhetoric. And that may be the hardest thing for many of us, conditioned as we are to avoid speaking our true thoughts and expressing our true feelings out of a misguided sense of imposed decency.

For the love of all that is good, and holy, and true, if we lose, we lose, but let us at least not lose due to a foolish sense of etiquette.

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Anonymous Rick Johnsmeyer October 29, 2015 8:03 PM  

"That means NOT adopting their social justice ideals or their rhetoric."

Few things in politics irk me as much as the "[X] are the REAL RACISTS!!!" meme propounded so hard by mainstream GOP pundits for what feels like the past couple decades. Few institutions in America practice affirmative action with the aggression and vigor of today's GOP.

But this kind of thinking may be irreversible among a lot of older conservatives whose racial worldview was molded out of 1960's-era self-flagellation. These are the sort of "conservatives" who have a list of minority/women GOP figures ready to cut-and-paste, as though they want a gold star from liberals for their devout non-racism. It's a truly sad and pathetic form of ideological cuckoldry.

Anonymous GEORGE October 29, 2015 8:21 PM  

WHEN - OH WHEN - IS Throne of Bones 2 coming out? PLEASE SOON. I must know what happens to the fine lands in the time of immortals.

Blogger Noah B #120 October 29, 2015 8:29 PM  

Please cuck-smack any of us you believe are guilty of excessive decency.

Blogger Dave October 29, 2015 8:33 PM  

the technocrats of the past were at least able to do things like put a man on the Moon. The mandarins of today struggle to get a health-care website up and running.

Classic

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 29, 2015 8:34 PM  

Totally agree, Vox.

So many on our side--cuckservatives, tradcons, and Churchians--would rather be (((decent))) instead of possibly hurting the feelz of our adversaries.

This is a significant handicap.

Why do we have so many phaggots in our ranks?

Blogger Sean October 29, 2015 8:37 PM  

One of the problems the right has had is that most of the mainstream conservatives accept, on some level the ideals of the progressives. They have been unable to formulate a coherent strategy and make strong stances because they half believe their foes are right.

Blogger Nate October 29, 2015 8:45 PM  

"For the love of all that is good, and holy, and true, if we lose, we lose, but let us at least not lose due to a foolish sense of etiquette."

The moral battle we are debating right now is the idiotic notion of wanting to appear to be the good guys in a war.

There are no good guys in a war.

There are winners and losers.

The good guys in a war are the ones who win. At least for the next 1000 years of history anyway.

Blogger Rye Bread October 29, 2015 9:02 PM  

"Because of its limited moral imagination, it also struggles to persuade a heterogeneous body politic"

When if ever has the authoritarian mindset ever seriously considered persuading the body of voters in good faith? I would argue that any example that could be give was likely a Machiavellian exercise to gather more power or move the authoritarian closer to power.

Blogger Noah B #120 October 29, 2015 9:24 PM  

Damn right Nate.

Anonymous BGS October 29, 2015 9:25 PM  

Why do we have so many phaggots in our ranks?

Trust me most phaggots are on the other side. They would rather be bashed again than admit it was a non Asian minority that bashed them.

Blogger Nate October 29, 2015 9:27 PM  

This is a sore spot for me... as this is exactly how the South lost the war. We spent so much time worrying about how everyone would percieve us (davis obsessed over the perception that the south was fighting a defensive war. it was critical in his mind for the yankees to be seen as the aggressors.) we didn't bother to win it.

That cost us everything. And for the last 200 years we've had our names drug through the mud. We've been demonized and ridiculed and our children think we were evil.

Boy... good thing we worried so much about etiquette.

OpenID denektenorsk October 29, 2015 9:35 PM  

@1 That is why they are called "cuckservatives"... virtue signalling to extreme leftists.

Blogger Sherwood family October 29, 2015 10:08 PM  

There are two arguments that create a contradiction in my mind on the best way forward: One argument says that if you are to gain and retain the support of the decent and good people who have not yet realized how far things are gone you have to walk a fine line. Get too nasty and brutal and you lose the support of those you want and ultimately need on your side to win the cultural war.

The other argument is that nothing succeeds like success and that hitting the enemy with all you've got decides those who have been uncommitted and forces them to join a side and will swell the ranks as well or better than holding any moral high ground could.

I am not certain which approach can truly win in the end but watching Donald Trump's performance nudges me toward to latter view.

Blogger Derek Kite October 29, 2015 10:30 PM  

A story. Walking my dog I ran across a woman walking hers, we started conversing. She had recently returned to Canada from Qatar where she worked for al jazeera, previous to that having worked for the CBC. Not an uncommon thing. In the conversation she said that those countries are misunderstood, said it like a rote repetition of something memorized. Then she paused, looked down, and said that the way they treated dogs was awful.

Reality does intrude from time to time.

Blogger Dr. J October 29, 2015 10:50 PM  

Boy... good thing we worried so much about etiquette.

It was a key difference between Jackson and Lee. Put Jackson in charge and the South wins handily. Probably takes a chunk of Pennsylvania and Maryland if they were so inclined.

Blogger TheRedSkull October 29, 2015 11:02 PM  

The enemy is a rhetorically-propagating holier-than-thou virus.

Fighting it with dialectic only is like fighting a war with negotiation only. Eventually the enemy will notice he can just walk in and take your stuff. And children. And wife.

Reasoning with the enemy is a category error.

Good manners make bad herd immunity.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 29, 2015 11:07 PM  

The expression of SJW ideas or positions ought to be a hanging offence.

I mean that metaphorically for now.

Blogger TheRedSkull October 29, 2015 11:35 PM  

Why metaphorical?

Anyone holier than the King James Bible should be expeditiously dispatched to argue the point with God.

After all, who are we to judge?

We need a bigger mountain.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 29, 2015 11:43 PM  

For the love of all that is good, and holy, and true, if we lose, we lose, but let us at least not lose due to a foolish sense of etiquette.

Well put. These finishes are getting very good, and it's becoming a real pleasure to anticipate the ending flourish as I'm reading the rest of the post.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 30, 2015 12:13 AM  

@11 - Good point Nate. That war is a great example of how concentrating your efforts on being a gentleman, rather than winning, leads to losing. And any idiot who says "but you lose like a gentleman" needs to be taken out back and shot. We can't allow such a disease to keep spreading.

Blogger Scalpellum Ferreum October 30, 2015 12:31 AM  

The winner gets to write the history books, and he decides what is "fair." So if you care how you are perceived, the best, the only possible option is to win.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 October 30, 2015 1:09 AM  

@13 Good point.

Alpha males rule the world. I hope we have the good sense to keep that leash off Trump.

Blogger SciVo October 30, 2015 1:23 AM  

Sherwood family @13: One argument says that if you are to gain and retain the support of the decent and good people who have not yet realized how far things are gone you have to walk a fine line. Get too nasty and brutal and you lose the support of those you want and ultimately need on your side to win the cultural war.

No, by getting nasty and brutal you move the Overton window. You enable him to play the Good Cop to your Bad Cop, even while he's saying things more extreme than any he would've said the day before. There is no downside to hitting as hard as you can.

Blogger justaguy October 30, 2015 1:52 AM  

All tactics. Although a good discussion, misses the lost strategy the Right has been using for several decades. Out of the current presidential field of Repubs, how many want to limit all immigration, both illegal and legal? None!! Ann Coulter is the only one who even raises the issue and she is immediately dismissed as a crazy author. All of the current Repubs running for President support a losing strategy when such a large number comes in legally from the third world, attracted by Democrat given goodies. All the totalitarian Left needs is the Presidency because the Administrative state can accomplish all of the goals unless opposed by a veto-proof majority which isn't going to happen. More immigration equals getting the Presidency.

Amnesty gives an immediate win for totalitarianism, but the continuing huge immigration gives a win for the left in just a few more years. The magic unicorn of melting-pot assimilation doesn't seem to work in a welfare state. After 50 years of massive immigration, the only question is whether or not the demographics have shifted enough already. 2012 election indicates that it has with all of the "browning of America" crowing by the MSM after the election...

As far as foreign policy, that is only an area to attack the Repubs for the Left, not an area where they care to seriously think or engage (at least since Truman). The Left doesn't care for real-world reality, we have big oceans that lets them ignore it. After all what is a small extra tax to keep the Mullahs happy? What is an ambassador or two and a few ex-seals?

Blogger TheRedSkull October 30, 2015 1:55 AM  

The true purpose of the Dread Ilk is to make VD look like the friendly moderate they prefer to negotiate with.

That and wake the sleepers who shuffle in.

"It gets worse."

Anonymous Colorado Confederate October 30, 2015 2:01 AM  

Dr. J. @15

Lee knew this, which is why he said after Stonewall received the wound that would ultimately prove fatal: "Jackson has lost his left arm, but I have lost my right". Longstreet, though a decent general was, could not replace Stonewall Jackson.

With Jackson, the good guys almost certainly would have captured Gettysburg. Had Gettysburg fallen, the South most probably could've captured Harrisburg.

Harrisburg is the capital of Pennsylvania.

Had the Confederates captured Pennsylvania, Lincoln and even the most hard-core Yankee Republicans would have been forced to negotiate a peace treaty.

[sigh]

but I digress...

OpenID Jack Amok October 30, 2015 2:06 AM  

The only war crime guaranteed to be punished is the crime of losing the damn war.

Blogger Orville October 30, 2015 2:14 AM  

This is a sore spot for me... as this is exactly how the South lost the war. We spent so much time worrying about how everyone would percieve us (davis obsessed over the perception that the south was fighting a defensive war. it was critical in his mind for the yankees to be seen as the aggressors.) we didn't bother to win it.

So you're saying you wish you had a more Shermanesque general? ;-)

Anonymous Colorado Confederate October 30, 2015 2:16 AM  

"That means NOT adopting their social justice ideals or their rhetoric."

Very good. All too often Patriots will, wittingly or no, accept the rhetoric of the enemy while continuing to argue for the finer points of limited government, the pro-life cause, the traditional family, etc.

This strategy is unsuccessful in every instance.

Take the term "racism" for example. We all know that it is a Marxist-revolutionary word, yet there are those who continue to fear it as the werewolf fears the silver bullet.

The good news in this instance is that the word is losing its bite. Whether that is because patriots are no longer afraid of the label, or the enemy has used it ad absurdum, it is a positive development.

Blogger Phillip George October 30, 2015 2:50 AM  

Even now most bat shit crazy liberals think that science has disproven the bible and some golden age of rationalism it still dawning. These same rationalists haven't got enough science on board to know increased CO2 levels accelerate plant growth in actual green houses. Dumb and utopian combine. All evolution is upward progress so everything has to improve.

You can't fight a set of fantasies like that. "All religions are the same, we accept science".

The "battle hymn of the republic" versus "dixie". Even today Bedouins won't pitch their tents in Babylon because they think it's haunted. O.K. so you're fighting dumb utopian and superstition all at once!

Maybe start here. I'm told that plenary sessions of the continental congress would routinely meet with an empty chair for the Holy Spirit/ the Witness of Jesus Christ. An open standing invitation/ overt declaration that God was besought, welcome, needed.

Whether its Yellowstone or Russia, days or years left, I'd follow their advice with two hundred years of hindsight to add to it. At the moment it looks like God is on Russia's side and Europeans are too stupid to even talk about.

Blogger Cyclone Bob October 30, 2015 3:07 AM  

Derek Kite @14 Then she paused, looked down, and said that the way they treated dogs was awful.

I heard a story from an inspector from one of those misunderstood countries. He was on a construction site in a different misunderstood country, and some shiek or prince drove up in his pickup. Shiek gets out, makes his wife get out & sit in the bed - in 120+ heat - and leaves the engine running. The guy walks by the truck, and sees sitting in the front seat, getting blasted with Max A/C - the shiek's goat.

Anonymous Minion #414 October 30, 2015 5:27 AM  

I can clearly see the path laid out before us, it doesn't lead to a good place.

Stock in pitchforks and torches is recommended.

Blogger Kallmunz October 30, 2015 5:31 AM  

It is "good" and "decent" people who do the most evil in the world for in their "goodness" they will usher in the evils of the world.

http://www.infowars.com/muslim-migrants-invited-to-take-over-german-church-altar-cross-pulpit-removed/

Blogger IM2L844 October 30, 2015 7:20 AM  

For the love of all that is good, and holy, and true, if we lose, we lose, but let us at least not lose due to a foolish sense of etiquette.

Psalm 1:1

Blogger Nate October 30, 2015 7:22 AM  

"So you're saying you wish you had a more Shermanesque general? ;-)"

Die and burn in Hell yankee.

Blogger ncartist October 30, 2015 8:45 AM  

11. Nate
That cost us everything. And for the last 200 years we've had our names drug through the mud. We've been demonized and ridiculed and our children think we were evil.

You did it to yourselves: you let yourselves be governed, no ruled, by the Demoncratic party. You were used as effectively as they used the Blacks.

Blogger Josh October 30, 2015 8:55 AM  

You did it to yourselves: you let yourselves be governed, no ruled, by the Demoncratic party. You were used as effectively as they used the Blacks.

Ah, the smell of full retard in the morning...

Blogger ncartist October 30, 2015 9:08 AM  

28. Orville
So you're saying you wish you had a more Shermanesque general?
You really shouldn't upset the Southrons.;)

Blogger Chris Mallory October 30, 2015 10:12 AM  

@36

I will take Andrew Jackson and Grover Cleveland over anyone the Republicans have ever elected.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 30, 2015 11:06 AM  

(davis obsessed over the perception that the south was fighting a defensive war. it was critical in his mind for the yankees to be seen as the aggressors.)

A noble man but your assessment is spot on.

That cost us everything. And for the last 200 years we've had our names drug through the mud. We've been demonized and ridiculed and our children think we were evil.

Boy... good thing we worried so much about etiquette.


Again, spot on.

But the war against the true american culture, ie southern culture, will continue until the next revolution.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 30, 2015 12:21 PM  

@30 Even now most bat shit crazy liberals think that science has disproven the bible and some golden age of rationalism it still dawning. These same rationalists haven't got enough science on board to know increased CO2 levels accelerate plant growth in actual green houses.

Yes, in greenhouses with controlled and optimized conditions of nutrients and water, it does.  If you bothered to think about actual forests you might realize that they're not optimized.  But you don't think, so the news that the experiment has already been done and shows some worrying results (quote:  "Our data suggest ... the possibility of reduced carbon accumulation rates relative to today's forests due to changes in species composition.") will no doubt meet with flat denial from you.  It's not that it isn't; you insist that it cannot be because it means that "they" are right.

Incidentally, Ulmus alata is a useless tree I am forced to treat as a weed; it bears no fruit and its wood isn't good for anything.  It isn't as bad as wild grape but it's troublesome enough.

Blogger ncartist October 30, 2015 12:53 PM  

@41
Anti-evolutionist!
Yes, in greenhouses with controlled and optimized conditions of nutrients and water, it does. If you bothered to think about actual forests you might realize that they're not optimized.
You do remember that Darwin used the breeding of domestic animals as the foundation for evolution?

Blogger James Dixon October 30, 2015 1:09 PM  

> This is a sore spot for me... as this is exactly how the South lost the war.

Believe me, Nate, you're not the only one.

> It was a key difference between Jackson and Lee. Put Jackson in charge and the South wins handily.

Well, yeah. Jackson was a tactical genius. He didn't even need to be in charge. Lee trusted him implicitly. Unfortunately, that wasn't an option after 1863. You really want to write an alternative time travel civil war history, just send a modern trauma unit back to take care of Jackson after he was wounded.



Blogger James Dixon October 30, 2015 1:11 PM  

> Yes, in greenhouses with controlled and optimized conditions of nutrients and water, it does.

It does, period. How effective it may be varies with conditions, but there's no arguing the basic fact.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 30, 2015 1:42 PM  

> Yes, in greenhouses with controlled and optimized conditions of nutrients and water, it does.

It does, period. How effective it may be varies with conditions, but there's no arguing the basic fact.


True.

For Mr. Rational -

Often times the most important part of the equation for plant growth is the limiting factor(s).

An over abundance of one does not always lead to advantage. It takes enough of all factors. If all are present, and then when one is supplied in abundance, the plant can leverage that into increased production.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 30, 2015 3:57 PM  

It was with disgust, but no surprise, that I saw in @44 the exact denial I predicted.

@45 Often times the most important part of the equation for plant growth is the limiting factor(s).

This is codified as Liebig's law of the minimum, and as the paper notes (and @44 categorically denies) the species which have their limits pushed back the most can be precisely the ones that do you the least good, or even do harm.  There is reason to believe that the expansion of parasitic vines at the expense of woody trees in Amazonia is driven by CO2 fertilization giving the lianas a selective advantage, to give just one example of real-world research.

Blogger James Dixon October 30, 2015 6:25 PM  

> It was with disgust, but no surprise, that I saw in @44 the exact denial I predicted.

When you post lies, you have to expect people that know better to post the truth.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 30, 2015 6:26 PM  

@32 Minion #414
I can clearly see the path laid out before us, it doesn't lead to a good place.

Stock in pitchforks and torches is recommended.
----

How about guns, knives, ammo, swords, staffs, spears, chains, and other unmentionables?

Blogger Unknown October 30, 2015 6:41 PM  

Mr. Rational, I really don't care about the Amazon. I care greatly about white spruce, birch and timothy. I see no reason to doubt that more CO2 will help my woodlot and my hay field if I do my part.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 31, 2015 12:02 AM  

@47 I expect aggressive, ignorant self-righteousness from True Believers of every stripe.  SJWs are far from the only offenders.

@49 Mr. Rational, I really don't care about the Amazon.

I do, but when the de facto policy of Brazil is to clear-cut it and turn it into cattle pasture (which destroys the rainfall cycle that makes it viable as rain forest) I have to resign myself to the idea that it's going to vanish.

I care greatly about white spruce, birch and timothy.

My spruce and birch are threatened by wild grape (another woody vine).  I have been unable to control the infestation in my own woods.  I cut and kill vines which would shade out and kill one of the best trees in my yard, and the next year the problem is back.

I see no reason to doubt that more CO2 will help my woodlot and my hay field if I do my part.

I don't see how birch and spruce would have survived here in the past if grape was this aggressive.  What's changed?  Not the land.

I don't know where your fields and woodlot are, but if "kudzu" means anything to you you might have an awakening.  Now consider the climactic zones moving so that kudzu is viable on your land.  Enjoy that thought.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 01, 2015 2:12 PM  

You don't need the hearts and minds of the people. Most people follow the strong horse. Morality is a nice fiction men tell to their women and children to get them to do what they're supposed to, and shut up. Morality is just the Traditions of your leaders after they have held power long enough to get people used to living that way. God helps those who help themselves. Jesus was a martyr, but Christians need not martyr themselves. This World has fallen and I'm going to make sure it doesn't get back up. We have been following the feel good delusions of delusional fuckers that refuse to grow up and accept the world the way it is, and I'll tell you right now, I'm not taking it anymore.

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