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Thursday, October 29, 2015

The future of Vibrant America

We were told that Diversity and Vibrancy make America stronger. The truth is that they have made America literally stupid, ignorant, illiterate, and innumerate:
In the Detroit public school district, 96 percent of eighth graders are not proficient in mathematics and 93 percent are not proficient in reading. That is according to the results of the 2015 National Assessment of Educational Progress tests published by the Department of Education’s National Center for Educational Statistics.

Only 4 percent of Detroit public school eighth graders are proficient or better in math and only 7 percent in reading. This is despite the fact that in the 2011-2012 school year—the latest for which the Department of Education has reported the financial data—the Detroit public schools had “total expenditures” of $18,361 per student and “current expenditures” of $13,330 per student.

According to data published by the Detroit Public Schools, the school district’s operating expenses in the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2014 amounted to approximately $14,743 per student.

Nationwide, only 33 percent of public-school eighth graders scored proficient or better in reading in 2015 and only 32 percent scored proficient or better in mathematics.
This isn't public schools. This isn't bureaucratic inefficiency. It isn't Common Core or whatever the latest school fad is. It is the direct result of shortening time preferences and lowering the average IQ by 15 points.

And there isn't a theory or a social policy in the world that can fix that. There is one answer and one answer only, an answer that every immigrant implicitly knows and nearly every American is afraid to admit, even to himself.

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106 Comments:

Blogger Student in Blue October 29, 2015 12:35 PM  

"We just need more money to do the same things as before, faster and harder this time around."
-uttered by fools

Blogger Tom Terrific October 29, 2015 12:36 PM  

The fact is, 50% of the population is below average and these people are reproducing. Don't see any way to stop it, slow it down, or change it.

"Idiocracy" is a documentary.

Blogger Tom Terrific October 29, 2015 12:36 PM  

The fact is, 50% of the population is below average and these people are reproducing. Don't see any way to stop it, slow it down, or change it.

"Idiocracy" is a documentary.

Blogger Alexander October 29, 2015 12:39 PM  

Yes... But it doesn't do the country any favors when you demographically lower the bar of "average", does it?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 29, 2015 12:52 PM  

They still got Magic White Students theory, never forget MWST

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 29, 2015 12:54 PM  

In a lot ways Detroit appears to be the future of Urban America. Due to a number of reasons, the problems that are afflicting America's urban centers, hit Detroit hardest and FIRST.

And in a lot of ways Detroit also offers the most hope for the future.

Recently the Detroit Chief of police said in effect, 'For god's sake arm yourselves people. We can't possibly protect you. You've got to do it yourself.'

And they did.

There is always hope, you just have to start looking for it. Your local gun shop is a place to start.

Blogger John S October 29, 2015 12:58 PM  

Lil Shitavious can't read for, well...

Must be all those democrats running things, huh?

Blogger JWM October 29, 2015 1:03 PM  

I spent ten years trying to teach English in the inner city. Teacher training fills the rookies with lots of nonsense about multiculturalism, different learning styles, and the oft repeated "All teachers can teach; all students can learn". The truth is that the inner city classroom is full of dull and stupid kids who have low aptitude, no desire, and no motivation to learn anything. And a huge percentage are openly hostile. It wouldn't matter what super genius inspirational teaching evangelist of wisdom stood up in front of the class. You just can't teach a pig to sing.

JWM (VFM#404)

Anonymous MR October 29, 2015 1:04 PM  

"There is one answer and one answer only, an answer that every immigrant implicitly knows and nearly every American is afraid to admit, even to himself."

Which is?

Blogger Josh October 29, 2015 1:06 PM  

Obviously the solution is to throw Detroit into Lake Wobegon.

Blogger Azimus October 29, 2015 1:06 PM  

The question I've always wanted to ask a Diversity fanboi - if the world, and all its different groups of people, war on each other and make each other miserable on a global scale, why would changing the scale from global to a neighborhood suddenly reverse this from a lethal negative to an intangible positive? Why would 3MM Greeks hate and fight 3MM Turks living in separate nations, but 10 Greeks and 10 Turks would make us stronger living in opposite sides of a duplex? What changes? Aha, not just magical dirt, magical SCALE!

Blogger Geir Balderson October 29, 2015 1:06 PM  

"Lil Shitavious can't read for, well..."

Yes, but, he can amble into a voting booth and vote for Massa Democrat Overlord. Don't the Dems drive the voters to the voting parlors and offer them beer and cigs for the votes?

Blogger clk October 29, 2015 1:09 PM  

VD says "There is one answer and one answer only, an answer that every immigrant implicitly knows and nearly every American is afraid to admit, even to himself..."

what ?? .. don't leave us hanging here !!!

Blogger Salt October 29, 2015 1:11 PM  

Common Core is not causal, it's a result. Shorter time preferences. Hmm. Black Friday coming up.

Blogger Geir Balderson October 29, 2015 1:11 PM  

" The truth is that the inner city classroom is full of dull and stupid kids who have low aptitude, no desire, and no motivation to learn anything. "

What do these dull people do with their free time if they don't learn, read or explore the world? I have never been familiar with inner cities and can only guess at what they do for 24/7.

Blogger kurt9 October 29, 2015 1:13 PM  

Given how the words "vibrant" and "vibrancy" have acquired such a negative connotation in recent years, I bet Richard Florida wishes he had never come up with them in this context to begin with.

Blogger kurt9 October 29, 2015 1:15 PM  

"We just need more money to do the same things as before, faster and harder this time around."
-uttered by fools


Its also Einstein's definition of insanity.

Blogger Nate October 29, 2015 1:17 PM  

"There is one answer and one answer only, an answer that every immigrant implicitly knows and nearly every American is afraid to admit, even to himself. "

now don't take it to far. This was true 5 years ago. maybe even 2 years ago.

Not true today.

Blogger Gaiseric October 29, 2015 1:19 PM  

The fact is, 50% of the population is below average and these people are reproducing. Don't see any way to stop it, slow it down, or change it.

That's not "the fact"—that's merely a tautology.

I spent ten years trying to teach English in the inner city. Teacher training fills the rookies with lots of nonsense about multiculturalism, different learning styles, and the oft repeated "All teachers can teach; all students can learn". The truth is that the inner city classroom is full of dull and stupid kids who have low aptitude, no desire, and no motivation to learn anything. And a huge percentage are openly hostile. It wouldn't matter what super genius inspirational teaching evangelist of wisdom stood up in front of the class. You just can't teach a pig to sing.

You just haven't watched Stand And Deliver often enough. Your faith is weak!

Blogger praetorian October 29, 2015 1:20 PM  

Which is?

We need to increase investment in education, of course...

Think of the children...

(Just not your children.)

Blogger Rabbi B October 29, 2015 1:21 PM  

This is despite the fact that in the 2011-2012 school year—the latest for which the Department of Education has reported the financial data—the Detroit public schools had “total expenditures” of $18,361 per student and “current expenditures” of $13,330 per student. According to data published by the Detroit Public Schools, the school district’s operating expenses in the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2014 amounted to approximately $14,743 per student.

Logos school Moscow Idaho

Tuition Info:

$4,700.00 per student per year.

Family Discounts:

1-3 students (Full Price) $4700.00 - $14,100.00 / year

4 students (40% off fourth student) $16,920.00 / year ($4,230.00/student per year)

5+ students (90% off 5th, 6th, 7th, etc.) $17,390.00/ year ($3,478.00 / student/year)

My piddly little family of 10:

10 students: $19,740.00/ year ($1,974.00/student/year)

And look what I am getting. I know: Math is hard.

So we shouldn't be too hard on these poor, dumbed-down, public school misfits, when the government's mathematical proficiency is ostensibly more dismal than theirs.

Blogger Salt October 29, 2015 1:23 PM  

"It is the direct result of shortening time preferences and lowering the average IQ by 15 points.

There is one answer and one answer only, an answer that every immigrant implicitly knows and nearly every American is afraid to admit, even to himself."


It's a form of pollution, regression to the lowest common denominator. Begetting in the wrong direction. It's also quite observable.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 29, 2015 1:25 PM  

@15

Watch television, breed, thug, and drink, yo?

Blogger Earl October 29, 2015 1:27 PM  

I believe the one answer is: home school. But I don't think that's what Vox was driving towards. I think he's indicating to permit racial segregation as the one solution nobody wants to admit. I support repealing Civil Rights too, but that still wouldn't solve the problem of uneducated minorities. I've also thought about a solution-turning Detroit and places like it into reservations- or turning all places not like Detroit into sovereign reservations for evil raciss white poeople to live in without any minorities to oppress. But looking at Jews and Palestinians I don't think even that would work.

So the one solution is: God save us all.

Blogger J Melcher October 29, 2015 1:30 PM  

@JWM #8 re: "The truth is that the inner city classroom is full of dull and stupid kids who have low aptitude, no desire, and no motivation to learn anything. "

Respectfully disagree that the results require a classroom be "full" of such students. The Gods of the Copybook Headings may remind us that "One bad apple spoils a whole barrel" Confine the apples in a barrel and the ethylene and mold of a single bad one will cause all the others to pre-maturely ripen, and decay. Require the attendance of all children of a given age and zip code in a single system, and forbid the administrators from flunking, expelling, or segregating the literal problem-child from the general population, and an entire class of otherwise teachable humans will be prevented from reaching their potential.

The word "grade" once implied "to judge and rank and sort and separate" among other things. We do not do that, anymore. A child of six enters the first grade regardless of readiness or ability. A human being of 12 years of calendar age remains in the elementary grades (and buildings intended to warehouse those grades) regardless of sexual maturity, mental discipline, or academic proficiency. To be clear: a problem child doesn't even have to be a "bad" apple. What will happen in a co-ed class of 12-year-olds when one of the girls sprouts breasts, and one of the boys sprouts whiskers, and both start sniffing the atmosphere for hormone signals? How will the majority of their nominal peers focus on arithmetic and grammar when "sex ed" is so clearly needed -- and won't even be offered until after they enter a later grade, in a different building, filled with adolescent predators?

Blogger Joshua_D October 29, 2015 1:35 PM  

Bill Burr knows what's up.

Blogger Rabbi B October 29, 2015 1:37 PM  

What should we expect when *education* is *free*? You get what you pay for, and you especially get what you pay for when it comes to the government. The system is beyond broken. Beyond absurd. A complete and utter farce.

$15,000 per student for these results? Who runs a business this way and survives?

Homeschool or die.

Blogger Noah B #120 October 29, 2015 1:39 PM  

"Don't see any way to stop it, slow it down, or change it."

If that's really true, you're part of that 50% you mentioned.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 29, 2015 1:40 PM  

Obviusly, academic excellence is an act of aggression, hence verboten.

How much intelligence or learning do you need to march leming-.like to your doom?

Has anyone examined closely the themesong to "Everything is Awesome!!", the Lego movie?

It is quite apt, and quite dark.

Blogger Drew October 29, 2015 1:46 PM  

SJWs have also completely controlled the college curriculum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sxttk5REkM
And you realize that the more tax money is spent on these "educational" institutions, the more we pay for SJW indoctrination of the next generation

Blogger Harry Spitz October 29, 2015 1:47 PM  

@2. Tom Terrific
You missed the fact that we are also being forced to subsidize the reproduction of those people with our tax dollarys.

Anonymous Siobhan October 29, 2015 1:47 PM  

San Francisco has declared that honors classes and GATE (gifted and talented education) constitute structural racism (I'm not kidding). They've also just made it impossible to take algebra in middle school.

More than 30% of kids in SF go to private schools now. For the most part, the white folks have left the building.

Blogger luagha October 29, 2015 1:49 PM  

I thought Detroit was mostly black, not immigrant. But I'm sure there's plenty.

But really, it's not that these 90+% lack the capability for the basics. The basic bar is incredibly low, speaking as someone who tutored an otherwise-intelligent friend with other disabilities through a GED.

Motivation and culture are the big problems, as stated above. A teacher can help and do great things, but the environment is required.

Bring back Schoolhouse Rock, I say. With anti-immigrant songs.

Blogger Bodichi (0031) October 29, 2015 1:53 PM  

@9. Anonymous MR October 29, 2015 1:04 PM
"There is one answer and one answer only, an answer that every immigrant implicitly knows and nearly every American is afraid to admit, even to himself."

"Which is?"

If you have to ask, if you want to ask, if you ask, you are the cuck.


Blogger YIH October 29, 2015 1:56 PM  

@5 Mr MantraMan:
They still got Magic White Students theory, never forget MWST
Yes, I know, Wikipedia. Not many of those left, and likely those few are getting A's in 'survival in the wild' which tends to take priority over 'the three Rs'.
Also, what they are is plain from Kindergarten, they don't get better, they just get bigger. By the time they reach reproductive age, they are already Trayvons and Shaniquas and a lost cause - no matter what edufad libs or cuckservatives try on them.
At this point, what kind of future do they have? What few the entertainment industry can skim off the top, caged, or... ?

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata October 29, 2015 1:57 PM  

Is the answer deportation?

Blogger Dexter October 29, 2015 1:59 PM  

@15,

Crime, drugs, TV.

Blogger Geir Balderson October 29, 2015 2:01 PM  

@33

I am sad to say that I never got to partake in Schoolhouse Rock. Never made it past 16th grade. :(

Blogger Josh October 29, 2015 2:05 PM  

Has anyone examined closely the themesong to "Everything is Awesome!!", the Lego movie?

It is quite apt, and quite dark.


Everything is Awesome is awesome.

Blogger Karl October 29, 2015 2:07 PM  

For those not on Twitter. The Science(TM) is settled.

https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/659464238801420288
Claire Lehmann ‏@clairlemon 22h
Civic engagement is predicted by genes that affect positive emotionality and verbal IQ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26503688?dopt=Abstract

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 29, 2015 2:08 PM  

Scuzzaman,

Did you just say what I thought you said? You don't think EVERYTHING IS AWESOME is awesome?

This troubles me.

Blogger CarpeOro October 29, 2015 2:17 PM  

While not a fan of public schools, things have gone down in the last 4 decades for the nearly 100% black student bodies in Detroit. My father taught there until his death in 1980 and the staff still had a large number of non-black teachers. From what I can observe the quality of the end product has gone down with the level of accountability they were held to in school, and that went down with the white teacher involvement in the schools. My father, good union man and Democrat that he was would be appalled at what has happened since he was there. Of course he was from the Silent Generation so some of the good intentions still had not slipped into total SJW victim hood for the students and the removal of accountability. He could still fail students, and did.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) October 29, 2015 2:20 PM  

@38
You just dated yourself. If you were old enough to have watched Scooby Doo, Bugs Bunny, etc on Saturday mornings, you'd have seen Schoolhouse Rock.

Years ago, there were two blog entries on "Teaching in the Inner City" & "What It's Like to Teach Blacks". Both were SJW type individuals who were going to turn the inner cities in the right direction. Realizing what the reality of the inner city is, left them upset and angry. Needless to say, both blogs/entries have vanished from the internet. Both teachers probably could have used a copy of SJWAL at several times in their lives.

Blogger Violet Black October 29, 2015 2:22 PM  

15, 23, 37: What do you think white, middle class Americans do with most of their free time? Compose symphonies? Inner city or gated community people are socializing and partaking of whatever amusements Late Capitalism has on offer (video games, etc).

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 29, 2015 2:24 PM  

@ #8 I spent ten years trying to teach English in the inner city. Teacher training fills the rookies with lots of nonsense about multiculturalism, different learning styles, and the oft repeated "All teachers can teach; all students can learn". The truth is that the inner city classroom is full of dull and stupid kids who have low aptitude, no desire, and no motivation to learn anything. And a huge percentage are openly hostile. It wouldn't matter what super genius inspirational teaching evangelist of wisdom stood up in front of the class. You just can't teach a pig to sing.

My experience, as well. There is a local school board building that has a feel-gudz type mural of many-colored children holding hands and proclaiming that "Diversity Is Our Strength." And I, too, as a new teacher, was inculcated with the notion that gifted teachers TEACH, and all students can LEARN, as long as the gifted teacher finds the magic key that unlocks his ability to reach his learners.

Bullshit, top to bottom.

I met kids from all walks: black, hispanic, some from various African nations, mooselimbs from various Arab nations, and even a few unlucky White kids who happened to be caught in the middle and under the thumb of their poor and idealistic parent's dream of Utopia. Some were wicked smart, well-educated and expected to do well by parents at home. But that was a really, really small percentage, like 1 or 2%. The black kids being raised by grandparents or moms if she was around, were the biggest problems. The Arab kids were mostly good, but I found this out about the Arabs, from observation: they pushed their kids, but when they discovered a kid had reached his limit, he was encouraged to do enough to graduate, and then sent to some sort of apprenticeship or back to his homeland to earn a living - in this matter, I agree with the approach.

The hispanics? Well, they were content to do what was necessary to get by. Some were true strivers, and they would be OK and take their place in the middle-class hierarchy without complaint as long as they were eating and had relative peace. The blacks, though, those that couldn't perform were a huge and constant grievance committee, always seeking a pass and as handout to excuse their lot in life.

And believe me, I really hate to generalize too much about people. Because I've met intelligent and capable people from all walks, and I do think the intelligent and capable have the deck stacked against them, but not by Whites or the "Establishment." No, the deck is stacked against them by their own lesser-capable people, and by the SJWs who would say the only thing holding them back is Whites. Bullshit.

Cream rises to the top, if you stop stirring the milkpan long enough to let it happen. I am not 100% against immigration, but I am 100%, 1000%, for integration. And that can only happen in small amounts and over relatively large increments of time. And there must also be desire on the part of the new matter to be included.

Blogger YIH October 29, 2015 2:25 PM  

@38. Geir Balderson:
I am sad to say that I never got to partake in Schoolhouse Rock. Never made it past 16th grade. :(
They were a Saturday Morning staple through the 70's due to FCC regs that required X number of minutes per hour be devoted to 'educational' content.
In the 80's it turned into the ''health and safety'' messages tacked on to the end of syndicated cartoons.

Anonymous BigGaySteve October 29, 2015 2:36 PM  

nearly every American is afraid to admit, even to himself..."what ?? .. don't leave us hanging here !!!

It is STR8WCGCMF, the STR8 White Church Going Christian Mans Fault

In a lot ways Detroit appears to be the future of Urban America.

The future will not have as large a proportion of Asians/whites to foot the welfare bill that keeps Detroit from being worse.

Don't the Dems drive the voters to the voting parlors and offer them beer and cigs for the votes?

Acorn would take a bus and pay homeless $15 for each time they voted under someone's name. Don't know what name acorn goes by now but every time it gets caught it changes names.

What do these dull people do with their free time if they don't learn, read or explore the world?

Stupid people can get by without mental stimulation. Don't be one of those people that thinks there must be deep thoughts underneath, they are happy to scratch their balls in public & listen to music.

More than 30% of kids in SF go to private schools now. For the most part, the white folks have left the building

http://archives.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/african-american-top-the-list-of-students-arrested-at-sf-schools-but-only-make-up-8-percent-of-student-body/Content?oid=2920039 blacks 8% of public students 71% of arrested students

"Blacks make up 8 percent of the school district’s student. Asian students, at 38 percent, make up the largest segment, followed Latinos at 26 percent and whites at 13 percent, according to statistics from the 2013-14 school year"

"Of the 37 students arrested from September to December, 27 of them were black. Seven were Latino, three were white and one was Asian"

Anonymous TLM October 29, 2015 2:36 PM  

But Edward James Olmos taught me that spics are great at calculus.

Blogger Rabbi B October 29, 2015 2:38 PM  

"But Edward James Olmos taught me that spics are great at calculus."

Math is the great equalizer. Their ancestors invented 0. Math is in their blood, ese.

Blogger Floyd Looney October 29, 2015 2:48 PM  

I am not even sure what "vibrant" is supposed to mean. Brings to mind everyone humming the same tune... no way.

Anonymous Mitchell October 29, 2015 2:50 PM  

Just think how much more biting your observation would be if you hadn't double posted it.

Blogger Josh October 29, 2015 2:51 PM  

93 percent are not proficient in reading.

In contrast, only 80% of black slaves were illiterate.

Anonymous Anonymous October 29, 2015 2:55 PM  

Reproduce.

John VI

Anonymous Ethniklashistani October 29, 2015 3:03 PM  

"why would changing the scale from global to a neighborhood suddenly reverse this from a lethal negative to an intangible positive?"

"all the years of fighting and bloodshed can finally be put behind them"

Blogger YIH October 29, 2015 3:04 PM  

@43. ajw308 (#98):
Years ago, there were two blog entries on "Teaching in the Inner City" & "What It's Like to Teach Blacks". Both were SJW type individuals who were going to turn the inner cities in the right direction. Realizing what the reality of the inner city is, left them upset and angry. Needless to say, both blogs/entries have vanished from the internet.
No they haven't, I read them too, and knew what to look for.
Several got red pilled against their will from being zookeepers in urban monkey houses.
It's like dealing with other animals, forget all that Disney nonsense and deal with reality as it is.

Blogger Groot October 29, 2015 3:14 PM  

@8. JWM:
"I spent ten years trying to teach English in the inner city."

Speaking of slow-to-learn, why did you do this to yourself? I am aghast.

@17. kurt9:
"Einstein's definition of insanity."

The correct attribution is the Narcotics Anonymous “Basic Text.”

@21. Rabbi B:

The one vibrant kid made the front page. Even the sports teams are glowing white.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz October 29, 2015 3:23 PM  

@55. I remember the $20 million story when it came out. I wonder to how much worse it has become since then? I can guess, of course.

My children are being home-schooled. Add to that a farm and chores, and I think I'll turn out some intelligent white citizens. I think that's probably my highest calling nowadays.

Blogger Rabbi B October 29, 2015 3:26 PM  

@57 Bluntobj Winz

My children are being home-schooled. Add to that a farm and chores, and I think I'll turn out some intelligent white citizens. I think that's probably my highest calling nowadays.

I'll never get tired of hearing that. And you're absolutely right: There is no higher calling. Not one.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 3:26 PM  

Note :
The problem case here is Detroit, the students of which are as "native" as any white American, and more so than most (if one were to check, I think you will find nearly all have ancestors that arrived in the 18th century). The biggest educational problem in the US is not immigrants but natives - or some of them.
As for immigrants - you have immigrants and you have immigrants. As we know, but perhaps not everyone is up to date here, is that there are LARGE immigrant groups that collectively outperform even the best "natives".
And its not a matter of cheating at tests. There are public schools in San Francisco, for instance, full of poor immigrant kids, which many whites avoid - not because the standards are low and there is danger, but because the standards are scary high

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 29, 2015 3:27 PM  

And this seems to be just another plank in the war to reduce white fertility!

Blogger McChuck October 29, 2015 3:28 PM  

Demography is destiny. There are three ways to change demography.
1. Birth rates.
2. Death rates.
3. Migration.
I will leave it as an exercise for the student to figure out which of these we have more and less control of, and which of these act more quickly than others. All have long-lasting effects on the nation, and tend to interact with each other.
(At this point, Detroit may be best served by high energy urban renewal. Ctrl-Alt-Del.)

Blogger Midnight Avenue J October 29, 2015 3:31 PM  

Whatever, buwaya. There are plenty of Whites who cannot meet the high standards - and they recognize that, and would prefer to direct their kids into trades that would allow their kids to succeed and find happiness. The caveat? The stigma of being no better than the working/slave class "immigrant" to whom all of your taxable resources is being transmitted. Worse still, that these immigrants are touted as the salvation of your country while your own contributions, no matter how base, are dismissed and demeaned as not merely trivial, but as evidence of your race's own failings and lethargy in the face of what other harder, better workers have "over" you.

Anonymous bgs October 29, 2015 3:39 PM  

Demography is destiny. There are three ways to change demography.1. Birth rates.2. Death rates.3. Migration.

Obamacare steals money from old Asians/whites to give to illegals & thirdworlders.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 3:43 PM  

"More than 30% of kids in SF go to private schools now.'

They always did. SF has always had a very high proportion of private schools, being a largely Catholic city back in the day, with parochial schools universally available and coverage pre-planned with the city government. You can still see, on the street maps, how the Archdiocese did this. Didn't know that did you ?
Many have closed over the years, along with public schools, as the school age population has dropped. There was a surge of "white flight" schools after busing was introduced in the late 60's-70's, but most of the flight was out of town.
SF private schools, especially parochials, are also far more "integrated" than public schools. You can shoot good Benneton ads in most of them.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 3:45 PM  

Midnight Avenue,

Your real problem isn't the immigrants, but your (white) leaders and the (white) bureaucracy and the (white) academics that create this situation.

Blogger Maple Curtain October 29, 2015 3:45 PM  

Well, yes, but...

the Negro can be educated better than he is being educated in America.

Here in Canada, we meet Negroes that have been educated in school systems from all over Africa and the Caribbean. Even the ones from Jamaica can be civilized in the right environment - meaning one that provides discipline and structure.

As anyone who glances at the Daily Mail on a regular basis can tell you, one hundred years of socialism, nihilism, and debauchery hasn't exactly left the English working class a beacon of civilized behaviour and educational achievement.

My point being that the absolute collapse of standards, discipline, and cultural foundations at large in the Anglo West is more to blame than the raw material available to Detroit "educators" (even assuming, as a relatively regular visitor to Detroit, that the brighter souls of all races, including Negroes, have long since cleared out of that hell-hole, leaving the genetic quality of those left behind at bottom-of-the-barrel standards).

Blogger Maple Curtain October 29, 2015 3:48 PM  

@16: those words have no negative connotation in the circles in which Richard Florida moves.

Blogger Jay Lucas October 29, 2015 3:49 PM  

San Francisco has declared that honors classes and GATE (gifted and talented education) constitute structural racism (I'm not kidding).

That's technically correct. While it depends on your admission criteria (IQ vs Grades) enhanced programs exclude the hell out of "African American" students. And when they're based on grades, they become very Asian and often very female.

Structural racism: the non-race criteria hurts X race as much as racism. Example: The war on drugs is structurally racist. Also sexist, etc.

But don't worry, the school system is the problem, thus it will change.

They've also just made it impossible to take algebra in middle school.

You were already losing to Canada. Now you want to slow down?

(Thanks Obama.)

Blogger Patrikbc October 29, 2015 3:50 PM  

Ban rap?

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 3:55 PM  

"San Francisco has declared that honors classes and GATE (gifted and talented education) constitute structural racism (I'm not kidding). They've also just made it impossible to take algebra in middle school."

Yes. The "Common Core" idea and the SJW focus is very bad news for ambitious Asian kids in particular. This is because the SFUSD is run by white liberals who are oppressing a largely Asian population. The hate between the school board and their charges, during school board meetings, has to be seen to be believed.

Blogger VD October 29, 2015 3:59 PM  

As for immigrants - you have immigrants and you have immigrants. As we know, but perhaps not everyone is up to date here, is that there are LARGE immigrant groups that collectively outperform even the best "natives".

Don't worry, Buwaya, they'll turn the areas they've invaded in to the same hellholes they left within three decades. It's rather amusing to hear people talk about how much better they are than whites when they spend all their time chasing magic white people and trying to take over their institutions.

Guess what happens when they succeed?

Blogger VD October 29, 2015 4:00 PM  

Your real problem isn't the immigrants, but your (white) leaders and the (white) bureaucracy and the (white) academics that create this situation.

They are both real problems, but the immigrants are the more serious matter. They cannot be as easily, or as peacefully, fixed.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 29, 2015 4:06 PM  

whites when they spend all their time chasing magic white people and trying to take over their institutions.

D'oh. We went for the magic negro instead of the magic whitey!

Blogger Desiderius October 29, 2015 4:09 PM  

"the Negro can be educated better than he is being educated in America."

This is true. Won't happen though until the IQ gap is accepted and they can take ownership of their own achievement (instead of blaming it on whites).

"My point being that the absolute collapse of standards, discipline, and cultural foundations at large in the Anglo West is more to blame than the raw material available to Detroit "educators""

Who's to say which is more? It's both, and therefore not racism, disparate impact and all the other BS that gets in the way of addressing either one.

Blogger Sam October 29, 2015 4:11 PM  

OT: More SJW pozzening.

From Small Wars Journal: Changing the “Macho” Male Culture of the US Military

Fun quote:

As one professor from a prominent campus told me recently, “It isn’t really about ending sexual assault; it’s about controlling people and changing behavior. Men have the advantage in almost every way, so we have to find ways to cut into that advantage. Making traditional male behavior something that is socially unacceptable will cut their advantage. We have to make it unacceptable for men to talk the way they talk now, act the way they act now, and interact the way they do with women now, and have traditionally.” Hyping sexual assault statistics, making women fearful of men, and building a system that finds men guilty until proven innocent are simply means to the greater end of “cutting male advantage.”

http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/changing-the-%E2%80%9Cmacho%E2%80%9D-male-culture-of-the-us-military

Anonymous kfg October 29, 2015 4:12 PM  

@66 Maple Curtain:

There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza.

Blogger Jay Lucas October 29, 2015 4:15 PM  

Your real problem isn't the immigrants, but your (white) leaders and the (white) bureaucracy and the (white) academics that create this situation.

It is, but it's not always the most immediate problem. If you have to defend your home, you start by getting a gun, not by trying to change gun laws.

My point being that the absolute collapse of standards, discipline, and cultural foundations...

The war on aspirations and ideals happened in the imagination, then spread to reality. That's one of the reasons the Puppies/Hugo issue is fairly important. The SJW isn't ready to enforce a Year Zero in movies, music, books or television but they've been almost effective at denouncing the history of imagination as they have the history of philosophy.

Drew linked a video...

SJWs have also completely controlled the college curriculum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sxttk5REkM
And you realize that the more tax money is spent on these "educational" institutions, the more we pay for SJW indoctrination of the next generation


They don't have to read Shakespeare.
They don't read Shakespeare.
They don't know about Shakespeare.
Shakespeare isn't in the library.
Shakespeare isn't permitted in the library.
Shakespeare isn't permitted on campus.
And so on.

It happened with the Bible. It happened with Plato.

Suits and ties might change with the era, but the SJW is against grooming the same way they're against formal essay composition: If you shave your armpits, that's patriarchy. If you dye your hair a color people don't like looking at? That's liberation.

Ban rap?

Country and Western music is racist and sexist.

Rap is liberation, just like twerking is spiritual and empowering.

The narrative marches on.

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 29, 2015 4:19 PM  

@41:

"Did you just say what I thought you said? You don't think EVERYTHING IS AWESOME is awesome? "

Oh, it is that, too.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 4:21 PM  

What happens when they succeed - they outperform everyone and become the continuing institution. Anyone who has dealt with Asian schools IN ASIA would know this in his bones. They are all about institutions.
If you want to get into it, the list of top performing California schools (in the old test regime, which is about to be scandalously watered down) is dominated by predominantly Asian schools. In most, most teachers are also Asian.
The proper thing to do, were Americans not so stubborn and hard headed, would be to copy the cultural values that they bring. How to succeed as an Asian requires adopting many Asian values and practices, just as Asians adopted many European values and practices. Asian countries that succeeded became more European, but kept much of that which was best of their own. It really can and should go both ways. I recommend this, unless one day you want to deal with an Asian Commodore Perry.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 4:27 PM  

"they'll turn the areas they've invaded in to the same hellholes they left within three decades."
Have you been there ? Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore ? Heck, much of China. Try Hong Kong.
You don't need to turn Detroit into Busan, but it sure would help if people in Detroit were encouraged to think more like those of Busan. But this would require humility.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 4:30 PM  

"It is, but it's not always the most immediate problem. If you have to defend your home, you start by getting a gun, not by trying to change gun laws."

This IS your immediate problem. Your (white) opponents are the reason your problems exist. Their laws and their institutions are the guns they are pointing at you. The immigrants and their problems are a side effect, the gunsmoke.

Blogger Anonymous Robot October 29, 2015 4:34 PM  

Have you been there ? Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore ? Heck, much of China. Try Hong Kong.

You poor fool!

Also, Hong Kong is very different than Singapore.

Blogger Desiderius October 29, 2015 4:37 PM  

"But Edward James Olmos taught me that spics are great at calculus."

Most calculus is easier than advanced algebra/trig. Any student with decent fundamentals, an 85 IQ, and some experience with mastery (of, say, a music genre, auto mechanics, the crossover dribble) can hack it if they want to. The biggest problem a modern-day Olmos in, say, Detroit, would run into is massive gaps in the fundamentals. Math is a cumulative subject. It would be like trying to coach a basketball team that didn't know how to run.

Blogger Desiderius October 29, 2015 4:41 PM  

buwaya,

"You don't need to turn Detroit into Busan, but it sure would help if people in Detroit were encouraged to think more like those of Busan. But this would require humility."

Eventually. Ironically, the most effective thing I found in getting through to black students was appealing to their pride. It was us, black and white, against them, the Chinese, and they'd been kicking our asses. Time to get to work. Got them out of blame whitey mode.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 4:43 PM  

"You poor fool!"

Fool I may be, but I came from there, I have been where I have been, and seen what I have seen. Keep your eyes and mind open, because the world is not what it was.

"Hong Kong is very different than Singapore."

Big deal. But both Hong Kong and Singapore are "better" than a lot of US cities, and Americans, many if not most, have a great deal to learn from the people of either.
Consider that a best-selling math curriculum in the homeschool world is from Singapore. And the US is pushing Common Core ?

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 4:48 PM  

"Most calculus is easier than advanced algebra/trig. "

Absolutely. So with the matter of fundamentals.
What Olmos REALLY did was to create an unofficial "farm system" in Middle Schools, in cooperation with other like minded teachers, through informal tracking, to get these fundamentals in place. It was quite an achievement in subverting the system.
That was what was such an offense to the system, the bureaucracy.
It is white "wreckers" in these bureaucracies that are the real enemy.

Blogger praetorian October 29, 2015 5:06 PM  


> Your real problem isn't the immigrants, but your (((white))) leaders and the (((white))) bureaucracy and the (((white))) academics that create this situation.


FIFY.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 5:08 PM  

Praetorian, they ARE white. The ones with real power anyway.

Anonymous MR October 29, 2015 5:10 PM  

"If you have to ask, if you want to ask, if you ask, you are the cuck."

Great, now that that is settled... my question still remains, to VD.

Detroit is not largely made up of, at least recent, immigrants. Dearborn, maybe. Not Detroit.

Unless you are categorizing all blacks with recent immigrants?



Blogger praetorian October 29, 2015 5:14 PM  

Praetorian, they ARE white. The ones with real power anyway.

100% agreement. I think we can all agree that the ONLY way forward is to get these promising students AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE from poisonous white influence.

Very, very far. So far.

Anonymous BGS October 29, 2015 5:18 PM  

"the Negro can be educated better than he is being educated in America."

There are black/white pictures of classrooms full of well behaved blacks studying that couldn't be achieved in todays schools even with the help of photoshop.

Blogger buwaya October 29, 2015 5:27 PM  

"100% agreement. I think we can all agree that the ONLY way forward is to get these promising students AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE from poisonous white influence."

Heh. being smart, they are very, very good at subverting the worst of it and taking what is best of whats on offer, which is a lot. Consider also that most of the Asian immigrants in the US, those that would make up a majority in every top university if admissions were fair, are the dregs of Asia. That should scare you.

The people who really suffer are the less-talented fraction of natives, victims of the system. Yes, I know all about the cultural/social/behavioral issues mentioned above (heck, I've SEEN it often enough), but the reason all this persists to the degree it is, is because it is permitted and sustained by the system.
A rational system would address that population through aggressive tracking, mining the population for talent and separating it out from the negative influence of their peers. But that is ideologically and politically verboten.
The workarounds are charters and vouchers, which have a similar if more diffuse effect.

Blogger Noah B #120 October 29, 2015 5:43 PM  

The claim of structural racism: the admission that racism is based in probabilistic logic and is an accurate predictive metric

Blogger praetorian October 29, 2015 6:48 PM  

That should scare you.

I did the cal/stanford CS circuit and deal w/ elite-tier zipper code every day. This is my scared face.

This evil system. We gotta get the asians and black and hispanics out of it, before it completely ruins it. WE GOTTA.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) October 29, 2015 7:21 PM  

@55
I had them bookmarked because I figured I'd be linking to them at some point in the near future. The bookmarks were soon pointing to null space on the internet. It looks like others have saved the pages.

Anonymous Takin' a Look October 29, 2015 7:25 PM  

Joshua Kaplowitz:How I joined Teach for America and got sued for $20 million-

Now THAT'S funny, a Red Sea Pedestrian gets Jewed over by Cultural Marxism.

Blogger DadOfTen October 29, 2015 7:27 PM  

The real solution will take 20 years to implement.

If you divide kids into groups with
1. Bio-mom and bio-dad are married at birth and living in the same home
2. One bio-parent is living with child with no other mate in the home ever
3. One bio-parent is living with child but bringing home mates
4. no bio-parent in the home

Grouped like this, economic, academic, social, drug use, being jailed, and getting raped or doing the raping gets much worse as you go down the list no matter what the race, or where they are living.

Interestingly #1 and #2 are a fair bit apart, but #2 is way ahead of #3. #3 is so bad that you really have to go to #4 or be homeless to get much worse.

The quote, "... the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets." is absolutely verifiable statistically in the USA.

It isn't the race, schools, politics, jails, or social support causing the problem. It is the family disintegrating. Fix the family. Fix the schools. We need to spend the next 20 years trumpeting to everyone how critical being born in a married family with parents that raise the kids together is for the kids and the parents to be happy.

Anonymous Rolf October 29, 2015 7:52 PM  

@2 - the solution is simple, and easy. Eliminate the welfare state, and make criminal behavior a lot more lethal by liberalizing gun laws. A parasite cannot survive on it's own.If they have the potential their supporters claim, they'll figure out how to get with the program and make more positive choices; if not, well, a healthy herd needs culling from time to time.

Blogger chris October 29, 2015 9:08 PM  

It is called the plantation for a reason.

Blogger chris October 29, 2015 9:20 PM  

It is called the plantation for a reason.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 October 29, 2015 9:39 PM  

Genetics is infinitely more powerful than magic dirt.

The U.S. is suicidally importing populations whose collective actions in their native lands created terrible poverty, oppression, and Crime.

On the issue of violent crime, just look at the UNODC murder rate numbers by region.

Americas 16.3 per 100,000 (almost entirely black and mestizo)
Africa 12.5 (vastly underreported)
Europe 3.0 (much lower in Western Europe)
Asia 2.9 (much lower in N.E. Asia)


Blogger VD October 29, 2015 9:58 PM  

What happens when they succeed - they outperform everyone and become the continuing institution. Anyone who has dealt with Asian schools IN ASIA would know this in his bones. They are all about institutions.

They'll fail just like the Asian schools in ASIA do. The Asians are coming West because the European institutions and societies are better. And they are going to ruin them, just like every other immigrant group will, because they will turn them into Asian institutions and societies just like they left.

Big deal. But both Hong Kong and Singapore are "better" than a lot of US cities, and Americans, many if not most, have a great deal to learn from the people of either.

Not in the opinion of most Westerners. Your entire argument is flawed. Millions of Asians have moved West. Most of the few Westerners who move to Hong Kong or Singapore can't wait to leave them. I have an Australian friend who was in Singapore for a while. He's back in Australia now, having left a very good job just to get out of there.

Have you been there ? Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore ? Heck, much of China. Try Hong Kong.

Yes. Several times. East Asian Studies was my second major. Few Westerners beside sex tourists would ever want to live in any of those Asian societies.

Blogger The Other Robot October 29, 2015 11:58 PM  

Big deal. But both Hong Kong and Singapore are "better" than a lot of US cities

They are better than majority DieVerse cities like Baltimore, Detroit, etc.

I have been to them and am comfortable being there for short periods, and I notice that there are a large number of Hong Kong Chinese in Silicon Valley. So much so that well known HK entertainers come to the Oracle Arena or to Reno just to entertain Chinese and the few whites like me who attend.

As a white immigrant from another majority white country I too wonder at the damage caused by the huge influx of Indians and Chinese, who I work with on a daily basis.

The second amendment seems like an important instrument against the globalists and the problems that will be caused.

Blogger Shimshon October 30, 2015 6:17 AM  

@102

Vox, in my college days back in the 1980s, I had a (white) friend who was very much into all things Japanese. He especially loved anime (back then, Western anime fans were very few), but was smitten with the culture in general. Then he spent a year abroad in Japan. He returned very much jaded about the Japanese.

There's a reason why the clever Asians (and the Japanese in particular are pretty clever) decided to imitate whites after meeting them rather than the other way around.

Blogger SciVo October 30, 2015 6:46 AM  

kurt9 @16: Given how the words "vibrant" and "vibrancy" have acquired such a negative connotation in recent years, I bet Richard Florida wishes he had never come up with them in this context to begin with.

I can't find a better link right now, but there's a simple explanation for why it wouldn't matter what term he used, and here's one way of putting it:

"For no particular reason, I was recently thinking about the futility of the euphemism strategy—replacing a word that has negative connotations in the hope that the change will get rid of the connotations. The problem is that if, as is usually the case, the connotations are based on what the word means not how it sounds, they will rapidly transfer to the substitute."

Blogger SciVo October 30, 2015 6:48 AM  

Duh, I should've read the comments. Of course someone else could put a name to what it reminded me of:

"What you're describing has been called the 'euphemism treadmill' by Stephen Pinker, when polite words become vulgar when a given number of people use them as such."

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