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Saturday, October 31, 2015

You invited them, you deal with them

Sweden's government is going to collapse and the other EU member states are not going to prevent it:
The Swedish Foreign Minister has claimed her country is facing collapse due to the mass influx of refugees as the migrant crisis deepens. Margot Wallstrom has said that Sweden cannot cope with taking in refugees at its current level, without it affecting services.

She says that Stockholm will now have to pressure the European Union in a bid to force other member states to share the burden of those coming from the Middle East, mainly Syria.

It is expected that Sweden will take in around 190,000 migrants by the end of 2015. In the first nine months of the year, more than 73,000 people applied for asylum in Sweden.

And Mrs Wallstrom said in an interview: 'I think most people feel that we cannot maintain a system where perhaps 190,000 people will arrive every year - in the long run, our system will collapse. And that welcome is not going to receive popular support. I have to admit that there have been moments recently of very great disappointment. I have heard statements from member states that have been completely astonishing and very discouraging.'

The Foreign Minister's comments come after arsonists attacked housing for asylum seekers in the small town of Munkedal, in the south of the country. No one was seriously injured, although some of the 14 migrants living there suffered slight smoke inhalation. They were swiftly rehoused.
It's remarkable to see idiot female politicians like Merkel and Wallstrom whining and crying about the fact that no one will fix the problem that they caused. They ought to own up to the consequences of their failures and resign immediately. The other member states aren't going to let them off the hook. The Swedes should let the Swedish Democrats deal with it. They will have a robust means of dealing with these unwelcome migrants. If it happens soon enough, they will simply repatriate them with a minimum of fuss and bother.

Otherwise, history clearly dictates that there are three alternatives. One, the invaders conquer the natives and rule over them. Two, the invaders excise territory from the natives and establish a new country; Israel and Bosnia-Herzogovina being two such examples. Three, the natives kill all the invaders.

The pipe dreams of the multicultis notwithstanding, peaceful integration is not a credible scenario.

I've been editing the excellent essay on migration that Martin van Creveld wrote, originally for Riding the Red Horse Vol. 2, and it is very clear that, statistically speaking, the world is overdue for another of its periodic ethnic cleansings. Assuming it happens in the next five years, the next European one won't even be particularly large by continental standards.

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87 Comments:

Blogger Cecil Henry October 31, 2015 7:15 AM  

Kick them ALL out and repatriate back to their country of origin.

Admit the White Genocide is evil and a crime.

Punish and jail those complicit in the Genocide attempt and admit that yes-- Whites have a right to exist, to their nations and to protect their identity.

Race is valuable, unique and not interchangeable or replaceable.

Even for White people. Genocide is still a crime.

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 31, 2015 7:18 AM  

In the next cleansing though, these cucks need to be included, otherwise this kind of stupid will continue with us.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 31, 2015 7:29 AM  

Its a woman speaking doing what women do best, avoid responsibility and per usual I'll bet the conservatives fall for it and try and square her circle for the little darling.

On the other hand if the rhetoric from the right started placing the noose of RESPONSIBILITY upon her neck and the necks of her feminine supporters in my estimation she collapses within a month.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 October 31, 2015 7:29 AM  

It was amusing to hear Massachusetts' "big plan" to give sanctuary to bunches of Somalian ...uh..refugees, back in the day. Oddly, the numbers of folk with no "culture" of "Hey, it gets freakin COLD here" had issues, and MAINE (of all places) decided to take on the over flow. NATURALLY, the word came down that New Hampshire had the moral obligation to "absorb" the nice folks who were upsetting the demographic culture in Main and Mass.
Even with "OK, just a "few", the entry level job market, public schools, and welfare (HHS) "obligations" are for $hit in NH's three "big cities".
Oddly, with the influx of Democrat liberal political folk (that were the only folk otherwise unemployed) in the system, an influx of political "operatives and activists", from elsewhere,
hitting the polls, and a NOW big chunk of "compassionate" women in office, NH's economic climate is running a fever in unfunded liabilities and budget shortfalls, DESPITE
higher taxes on "domestic" crap, (NH is now deemed a tourism hospitality based economy)
And COLLEGE? Think twice about that certificate of attendance from Dartmouth, UNH, or Franklin Pierce um...gentlemen.
Imagine the dismay in Mass and Maine (and Canada) when the "discovered" that "tourists" FROM their states were buying booze, tools, durable goods, and automobile tires while they were here!
CaptDMO

Blogger ScuzzaMan October 31, 2015 7:35 AM  

I hope the ilk undrstand that neofeudal re-enslavement of the people of Europe and the USA is the objective here.

There is a white genocide in motion, but it is a means to a specific end. While defeating the means, we should make sure we resist the end, as well.

Blogger Salt October 31, 2015 7:42 AM  

... no one will fix the problem that they caused.

Thing is, they want the problem fixed in such way as to continue the cause. Definition of insanity.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 October 31, 2015 7:45 AM  

"It's remarkable to see idiot female politicians like Merkel and Wallstrom whining and crying about the fact that no one will fix the problem that they caused.

No woman anywhere ever took responsibility for anything they've done that's why they were wisely kept out of politics and encouraged to take care of the home. In the home there isn't as much damage to do even if everything is a mans fault somewhere. Put them in charge of a nation and WW3 isn't their fault either.

Blogger Phillip George October 31, 2015 8:18 AM  

she's disappointed, astonished and discouraged.

Not exactly Churchill. Where a the sisterhood from Qatar, Bahrain, Saudia, Jordan, Egypt and Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Dubai, to help lift her spirits. You know, united they stand, girl power. Liberated ones.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 31, 2015 8:30 AM  

It amazes me how fast they've gone from "immigration is wonderful and you're a damn racist for raising an eyebrow at the numbers" to "we're going to collapse if someone doesn't do something."

And yet they still talk about it like it's a force of nature. You can't stop a hurricane; you can only board up your windows and run inland. You can't stop invaders; you can only try to force other nations to take a bigger share and reduce your "services."

Whether they like it or not, the natives are starting to remember you can stop invaders.

Blogger Phillip George October 31, 2015 8:35 AM  

Actually Vox, I've just solved Sweden's problems. Air lift in Sir Bob Geldoff to do a series of Live Aid concerts to put an end the potential end of free stuff in Sweden.

the good thing is that stuff is free and nobody has to pay, right,

Blogger JACIII October 31, 2015 8:38 AM  

Popcorn. Need more popcorn.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 31, 2015 9:02 AM  

Don't worry about the Left, someone smart will come up with another three word rhetorical chant and it will all be good, magic word theory you know

Blogger Jeff Wood October 31, 2015 9:24 AM  

I think this Wallstrom must be the same one who was Vice-President of the European Commission at the same time as that body was ignoring and belittling the expressed wishes of various European populations against enlargement and closer integration.

If she is now stewing in her own juice, good.

Blogger ncartist October 31, 2015 9:37 AM  

5. ScuzzaMan October 31, 2015 7:35 AM
I hope the ilk understand that neo-feudal re-enslavement of the people of Europe and the USA is the objective here.

Yes.

Anonymous Homesteader October 31, 2015 9:47 AM  

Feminism, really, at days end, is a cargo cult. We are seeing that now.

Prosperous, secure nations can afford to let the girls play. It keeps 'em happy, and all that. Sort of a domestic dhimmitude-another jizya western man decided to pay.

But , as we see now, Margaret Thatcher comes along rarely. And when things fall apart, as they invariably must, we get this.

Kipling laughs....

Blogger Dave October 31, 2015 9:48 AM  

I'm so disillusioned; all these years leftists pointed to socialist utopias like Sweden with their enormous social safety nets and cradle to grave welfare systems and lectured us how wrong we were not to be more like them. Now the female Swedish Foreign Minister is crying about the collapse of Sweden just from taking in a few poor, hungry, tired wefugeeees.

This is what they said a few years ago that new immigrants just need to learn Sweden's "societal values" and everything would be fine: "According to a proposal from Swedish Immigration authorities, all newly arrived immigrants will undergo courses in "societal values" and be taught about the unique qualities of the society. "Without knowledge of fundamental societal values an important prerequisite to be able to live and work in Sweden is lacking," writes Erik Amna in a debate article in the Dagens Nyheter daily."

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 9:52 AM  

Women screw things up, then men have to fix them.

That's how it always works.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 31, 2015 9:55 AM  

Time to remove kebab.

OpenID standingagainsttheworld October 31, 2015 9:56 AM  

Hundreds of Refugees disappear:
''http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-28/hundreds-refugees-germany-mysteriously-disappear-local-authorities-clueless-where-th''

What do you guys think?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 31, 2015 9:57 AM  

Time to remove kebab.

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 9:58 AM  

Kick them ALL out and repatriate back to their country of origin.

I am sure the undesirables will cooperate. One of the three alternatives that Vox mentions will occur. Either way, there will be war.

Blogger Tank October 31, 2015 9:58 AM  

Sweden, and Europe in general, have been looking down at the US and our "people of color" problems for decades. Oh, those US bigots, if only they were as enlightened as we are.

Schadenfreude.

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 10:00 AM  

Hundreds of Refugees disappear

Were they Saudi financed terrorists?

Blogger Were-Puppy October 31, 2015 10:03 AM  

@2 Durandel Almiras
In the next cleansing though, these cucks need to be included, otherwise this kind of stupid will continue with us.
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They have to be dealt with first, because they will drag things out until its too late otherwise. And I note that most of these cucks are white. If they want to commit suicide, fine, but they have no right to inflict it on the rest of the populace.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 31, 2015 10:06 AM  

@7 Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99

No woman anywhere ever took responsibility for anything they've done
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+1,000,000,000,000,000 DING DING YOU ARE A WINNER

Blogger Were-Puppy October 31, 2015 10:12 AM  

@19 standingagainsttheworld
Hundreds of Refugees disappear:
''http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-28/hundreds-refugees-germany-mysteriously-disappear-local-authorities-clueless-where-th''

What do you guys think?
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A Sadam style mass grave?

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 31, 2015 10:17 AM  

@1

Race is not particularly important if you have something else to string the whole nation together and create unity --say, Christianity.

Blogger wrf3 October 31, 2015 10:21 AM  

Mr.MantraMan (et. al.): "Its a woman speaking doing what women do best, avoid responsibility..."

The man said, "The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate."

Blame the woman. Nothing has changed.

Blogger YIH October 31, 2015 10:28 AM  

You invited them, you deal with them
It's a running joke here and elsewhere of 'cat ladies'.
That story crops up in the news from time to time, and typically ends with the Fire Department and/or Animal Control going into the house after many neighbor complaints to find dozens of cats and choking odor.
Many of those cats are in such bad shape they wind up euthanized.
This is 'cat lady syndrome' writ large.
It will likely end much the same way, but on a larger and uglier scale as well.
Many are in such

Anonymous Devon Pappapoulos October 31, 2015 10:31 AM  

Vox or anyone that shares Vox's view. Could someone give me a link to an article that explains what is going on with these immigrants (historically and the consquences)?

In class all we get is the sources our very lib polysci pro gives us. And every fukkin student in that just smiles and agrees.

Then I tried to find more background information on it and everything just pretty much gives vague outlines while agreeing with the liberal view on the matter.
But clearly something is wrong. I stumbled on this article which is great.... but, I still don't have the background on it that is UNTAINTED by a socialists viewpoint.

OpenID drucebag October 31, 2015 10:32 AM  

Keep an eye on the German town of Sumte. This little town of 102 residents will be the new home of 750 invaders. There is a picture from a town meeting on the subject and it looks like the entire town showed up. They have a "neo-Nazi" on the elected town council who's excited about ramifications this invasion has on his political prospects. I bet he's the mayor before long. No question that this town will be a flash point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/world/europe/german-village-of-102-braces-for-750-asylum-seekers.html?_r=0

Anonymous Take The Red Pill October 31, 2015 10:38 AM  

"Otherwise, history clearly dictates that there are three alternatives. One, the invaders conquer the natives and rule over them. Two, the invaders excise territory from the natives and establish a new country; Israel and Bosnia-Herzogovina being two such examples. Three, the natives kill all the invaders."

It is simply astounding how these socialist idiots REFUSE to learn from history. They refused to even learn from the fall of the Soviet Union -- their refrain is always the same old ass's bray: "Socialism hasn't worked yet because it hasn't been done right!".
It makes you wonder how much treasure has to be wasted and how many state-sponsored murders* must be committed before they will learn, IF EVER!

*When it comes to genocide, twentieth-century Leftist regimes murdered more of their populations in such numbers that almost stagger belief; Hitler and the Nazis were mere pikers compared to Stalin or Mao; Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, and other Leftist 'heroes' were limited in their victim numbers only because of the size of their populations.

Blogger ncartist October 31, 2015 10:40 AM  

31. drucebag
Keep an eye on the German town of Sumte. This little town of 102 residents will be the new home of 750 invaders.

No, it will not be flash point: the native population has been replaced overnight; Sumte is now part of the Umma, the natives are now dhimmis: No one goes up against seven to one odds. The best hope for the natives is for them to now migrate.

Anonymous Swedey Swedenson October 31, 2015 10:47 AM  

I've crapped my bed and I don't like it. What are YOU going to do to fix it?!

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 31, 2015 10:50 AM  

Off topic, but I suspect our host will not mind. I've started a TVTropes page for Hyperspace Demons. I invite any Ilk who are also Tropers to stop by and browse it and possibly help improve it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/HyperspaceDemons .

Blogger ncartist October 31, 2015 10:50 AM  

28. mangina3
Blame the woman. Nothing has changed.
Then it is time to remove all women from positions of authority and confine them to special rooms so that when they are deceived into sin, men will not have to clean up after them.

Manginas such as you would have blamed Adam if he had told Eve to go to Hell on her own.

So, if Lilith was Adams first wife and Eve was the second, what would the third wife have been like?

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 10:56 AM  

Kick them ALL out and repatriate back to their country of origin.

I am sure the undesirables will cooperate. One of the three alternatives that Vox mentions will occur. Either way, there will be war.

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 10:56 AM  

Women screw things up, then men have to fix them.

That's how it always works.

Blogger ncartist October 31, 2015 10:56 AM  

26. Were-Puppy
Hundreds of Refugees disappear: What do you guys think?

The jihad warriors were successfully injected into Europe. Soros' and Saudi Arabia's investment paid off.

I also read after this news came out that the figure is now 300,000 disappeared.

Blogger TheRedSkull October 31, 2015 11:04 AM  

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Blogger TheRedSkull October 31, 2015 11:08 AM  

Stockholm Syndrome is a bitch
Watch the Swedish ladies twitch
'Neath the Mussulmen they've hitched.

Blogger Matamoros October 31, 2015 11:23 AM  

It's remarkable to see idiot female politicians like Merkel and Wallstrom whining and crying about the fact that no one will fix the problem that they caused.

Another epic example of "Women Ruin Everything."

Anonymous BigGaySteve October 31, 2015 11:39 AM  

Since the comments on the article are moderated in advance I know that "She is a cat lady wanting to force others to care for her cats, just like most socialists" will probably not make it through but at least it will trigger one censor.

arsonists attacked housing for asylum seekers in the small town of Munkedal, in the south of the country. No one was seriously injured

Since they stopped telling people ahead of time where refuseges will move to there are now smoked didndus instead of empty buildings

In the next cleansing though, these cucks need to be included, otherwise this kind of stupid will continue with us.

That's what the inquisition was about.

fever in unfunded liabilities and budget shortfalls, DESPITE higher taxes on "domestic" crap, (NH is now deemed a tourism hospitality based economy)

Hey lets go see the moslems of a nation so savage that doctors without borders will no longer enter the borders of, but with no zoo keepers to keep us safe.

No woman anywhere ever took responsibility for anything they've done that's why they were wisely kept out of politics

One woman in political history took responsibility. The woman that claimed it was her fault Bath House Barry's autobiography from 2 decades before said he was born in Kenya. Talk about a flying rainbow unicorn.

Hundreds of Refugees disappear:''http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-28/hundreds-refugees-germany-mysteriously-disappear-local-authorities-clueless-where-th''

Did they check the ovens/ash trays?

Women screw things up, then men have to fix them.That's how it always works.

Infection control, ER/OR, & case management seem to have more male nurses than other areas.

30 Devonbut, I still don't have the background on it that is UNTAINTED by a socialists viewpoint.

Try these. http://pamelageller.com/ http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/ http://www.jihadwatch.org/ https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/ and if you can handle harsh reality http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/

No one goes up against seven to one odds. The best hope for the natives is for them to now migrate.

Moslems can not support themselves, seven plates of hemlock hasenpfeffer coming up.

Blogger bob k. mando October 31, 2015 12:00 PM  

28. wrf3 October 31, 2015 10:21 AM
Blame the woman. Nothing has changed.



oh yeah, and the woman in that story took responsibility herself, right?

note that i have always said that the expulsion from the Garden was Adam's fault ...


and, i'm not sure you've noticed this? but the woman Vox is talking about is the Prime Minister?

so, it REALLY IS her fault.

and she should be executed for treason to her country, just as Quisling was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling#Arrest.2C_trial_and_legacy



32. Take The Red Pill October 31, 2015 10:38 AM
Hitler and the Nazis were mere pikers compared to Stalin or Mao


Hitler was of the Left. you form a "Socialist Worker's Party" and there's no way in hell i'm going to let you get away with calling that 'Right Wing'.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 31, 2015 12:08 PM  

Adam blamed God - notice the emphasis on "that thou gsvest me."
It was because Adam chose to follow Eve that creation was cursed. Had Adam rejected Eve? Unknowable to us.

Blogger JartStar October 31, 2015 12:18 PM  

Even if they stop all migration today the millions who have already arrived are going to change the core of Europe forever if they are not removed. How many millions more will come after the ones who are already there invite, their friends, their family causing it will multiply times 5 at least.

Anonymous WillBest October 31, 2015 12:47 PM  

As an American I sometimes forget that for some countries 200,000 is a real big deal where here we would be lucky to have such a precise estimate.


Women screw things up, then men have to fix them.

That's how it always works.


Unfortunately we won't be smart enough to take away their privileges.

Blogger bob k. mando October 31, 2015 1:02 PM  

45. JaimeInTexas October 31, 2015 12:08 PM
Adam blamed God


where did i say that Adam did not shift blame? i would actually say that he attempted to blame both Eve and God.

and, as head of the woman, why would God have accepted Adam's attempt to deflect responsibility anywhere?

45. JaimeInTexas October 31, 2015 12:08 PM
Had Adam rejected Eve? Unknowable to us.


1 - it was not Adam's choice OR within his authority to reject Eve from the Garden
2 - is your God not just? if he is just, then he has no basis to evict Adam from the Garden *provided Adam does not eat of the fruit*. even Churchians phrase it as "Adam was tempted by Eve".

Adam has Biblically defined authority and responsibility within the marriage. what would have been Biblically permissible actions on Adam's part?

Blogger Were-Puppy October 31, 2015 1:26 PM  

@48 bob k. mando
what would have been Biblically permissible actions on Adam's part?
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Not eat the thing, and let God make him a new Eve?

Anonymous Rolf October 31, 2015 1:54 PM  

@46 - and the process of removing them will change the core outlook and perspectives of those doing the removing. Either way, Europe changes again. Win, lose, or draw, they'll be changed. The question is: Will they learn the right lessons from it this time?
(as long as statists and bureaucrats are in charge, it's unlikely)

Anonymous Godfrey October 31, 2015 2:01 PM  

The elites (i.e. the international crony financial class) are pursuing a worldwide policy of cultural genocide. It's all part of the NWO plan for global government, population reduction, and the enslavement of humanity.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 31, 2015 2:33 PM  

"Like OMG Sumte Germany is lost would some conservative write a 5000 word essay telling me what it really means."

What a strategic opportunity for a tactical liberation from the Umma. Imagine a right wing that actually did something for somebody, perish the thought

Blogger GracieLou October 31, 2015 2:41 PM  

You know they only imported around 388,000 slaves from Africa and look how much fun we're having here, 300 years later.

Blogger Thucydides October 31, 2015 3:01 PM  

Sweden could solve a lot of their problems quickly by adopting the solution the Danes used: cut welfare benefits in half.

Most of these people refuse to register as refugees in other nations because they know, or have been informed, that Sweden has by far the best benefits and "social safety net" of any European nation. Throwing a wrench in that equation by cutting benefits and you will see the flow cut off as the "migrants" seek better troughs to feed from and probably an exodus of current "migrants" unwilling to accept that the charity of others has been throttled. Extra bonus points for getting *Swedes* off welfare as well.

While the politicians dither, we are already seeing the 4GW battles playing out, as asylum centres are being torched and people begin to take steps to combat the invaders on their own (interesting side note which I hope Vox amplifies: in Austria the sales of shotguns is going through the roof, since these are the only small arms easily and legally accessible to the general public). You will not be surprised to note how little this has been reported in the North American press, and of course Canada, under its new Socialist government has pledged to open the floodgates to these people as well (I wonder how large urban centres like Toronto or Montreal will enjoy the influx of these new people? Certainly the ones who are calling for the increase of immigration are safely insulated in Rosemont or Westmount (two upscale neighbourhoods in Toronto and Montreal respectively), and can count on never having to directly encounter the results of their virtue signalling.

More popcorn indeed.....

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 4:25 PM  

Hundreds of Refugees disappear

The Germans shipped them to the UK in reprisal.

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 4:25 PM  

Hundreds of Refugees disappear

The Germans shipped them to the UK in reprisal.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 31, 2015 4:31 PM  

WRT Hitler being left. No he wasn't. He was of the extreme, but of the extreme right, not the extreme left. Tactically and technically the approach can be, and often is, similar for both, and the goal, perfection of man, is the same, but the underlying philosophy - nature v. nurture - are quite different, which will drive them to great operational and strategic differences.

Ah, but what about that whole "National _Socialist_" thing? What about it? The words communist and socialist don't appear anywhere in the title of the Democratic Party. Does anyone doubt they're largely one or the other? Think here: False Advertising for Political Advantage. Does either word appear in the title for the Republican Party? Does anyone doubt they're just Democrat Light?

Now for Fascism, which is distinct from National Socialism in most respects, there's a better argument for it being of the left. A perfect argument? No, just a better one.

Blogger chris October 31, 2015 4:47 PM  

@54
Why have benefits? Us NZers can travel and work in Australia freely, but we cannot access their benefit system. The converse does not apply (NZ is poorer than Australia).

The true suffering groups from the middle east can be bought in, via legal channels, and supported by the religious. Themselves.

The elite in Toronto and Montral want the peasnatry to pay for their virtue signallying. Do not let this happen. (Although with Trudeau in power, I expect it will happen, and Toronto, already a cesspit, will become unlivable).

Anonymous Takin' a Look October 31, 2015 5:23 PM  

Yes, we need to kick out the invaders, the cucks and the Red Sea Pedestrians

Unfortunately, as the interwhebs meme goes "I let six million Jews live, so you would understand why I killed the other half"

OpenID drucebag October 31, 2015 5:38 PM  

33. ncartist

"The best hope for the natives is for them to now migrate."

There's a thought! Maybe the answer is a reverse invasion.

It won't be 7 to one odds right out of the gate. It will ramp up to that number over a period of time creating a window of time for the German natives to start something. Expect arson or a different sort of attack on the intended housing facilities similar to the reports elsewhere in Europe. This is the first town where invaders out number migrants that I've heard of. It will be a wake up call and foreshadowing to the rest of Europe of what's to come if they don't act. No way the Germans roll over. As VD points out on a regular basis, the Germans have shown themselves capable of acting against and repatriating a people.

Anonymous Daniel H October 31, 2015 5:41 PM  

>>>Margot Wallstrom has said that Sweden cannot cope with taking in refugees at its current level, without it affecting services.

Mass rape of Swedish women didn't get her attention but those essential services did. How can a politician survive without the ability to bestow them on a corralled electorate.

This reflects poorly on the Swedish people too. Few have gotten riled up over the mass rape and demographic replacement that is happening in front of their eyes, but dammit, "don't touch my social security." Swedes would make good Republicans.

Blogger The Other Robot October 31, 2015 6:25 PM  

WRT Hitler being left. No he wasn't. He was of the extreme, but of the extreme right, not the extreme left.

At the risk of diverting you from the important task of completing the next Carerra novel, what one or two things makes you suggest he was of the extreme Right?

I must admit that facile claims that the name NSDAP proves he was of the left have been losing appeal for me, but it is not clear that he was of the extreme Right.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 31, 2015 7:05 PM  

"I must admit that facile claims that the name NSDAP proves he was of the left have been losing appeal for me, but it is not clear that he was of the extreme Right."

Much as I hesitate to disagree with Kratman, 'far right' is another meaningless lefty term like 'RACIST!' or 'SEXIST!'. It's a lefty code-word for 'people we don't want to be associated with'. I've even had lefties tell me that Stalin was 'far right', now they've disowned him after people discovered what their lovely 'Uncle Joe' was really like.

For example, the 'far right' parties in the UK had policies barely distinguishable from those of the left-wing Labour Party a couple of decades before. The British left were nationalist socialists who opposed immigration because of the damage it did to the working class, well before they became internationalist socialists so they could get well-paid jobs in international bureaucracy. The left hated the 'far right' parties for stealing their votes, not for their policies.

Seriously, what value does 'far right' have as a political classification, if it's applied to both Hitler and Ron Paul?

Blogger Tom Kratman October 31, 2015 7:18 PM  

A couple? Probably not, because there's only really one core difference. That core difference, rather the core articulable difference, between right and left concerns the nature of man, malleable / perfectible by breeding (with the variant of "already perfect or, at least, superior so must be defended from downbreeding), or by environment - nurture, training, education, propagandization, and relentless nagging (with the corollary that he is already good to perfect but warped by our doubleplusungood society). Either can use the same techniques; Germany might propagandize in support of political power to improve the race, or the USSR might actually try breeding humans and apes to create better soldiers to defend the Socialist Workers State, but when they do so it is in support of the larger, strategic (which springs from the attitudinal) approach, nature or nurture.

Fascism, on the other hand, is more concerned with creating greater domestic harmony, productivity, and security, through recognition of man as he is, primarily an emotional and instinctive animal, rather than a reasoning one, and tapping into those emotions and instincts to achieve those goals. Fascism in that sense in concerned with environment, like lefties, but in another sense rejects the lefty notion of perfection and the lefty insistence that their fantasies are reason-based.

Look at everything lefties actually do and don't do with their lives. They go into education and media. They act. They don't have many kids. Look at what they believe. They insist on the possibility of rehabilitation of criminals. They typically reject all importance in genetics. I mean, seriously, can you imagine Lysenkoism - which denied even the existence of genes - getting a foot in the Reichskanzlerie? No fucking way. Only the left could adopt something like that. Those couple of examples are mere; if you'll think upon it you can find many, many more.

You may, indeed will, find lefties among the Nazis, at least early on. It may be possible to find righties among the reds, though I can't think of one. But those are ultimately aberrations, totally out of sync with their movements, until finally stood against a wall.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 31, 2015 7:27 PM  

No, SH, even if perverted it has a meaning. See above.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop October 31, 2015 9:59 PM  

@63. Satan's Hamster

Much as I hesitate to disagree with Kratman...

Right. One look at his bio photo should be enough to earn him a permanent spot on your 'do not fuck with' list.

@64. Tom Kratman

the core articulable difference, between right and left concerns the nature of man...

That is a very interesting take, that the nature versus nurture schism underlies the left-right divide. "Magic dirt" is merely one example. So, in this picture, the divide-and-conquer Hegelians are exploiting a natural divide, one they didn't actually create, as some would have it.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 31, 2015 10:07 PM  

Magic dirt is one, yes, but note that I said "articulable difference." There's something going on below that, something felt but not really thought upon. On the part of the extreme left I think it's a kind of childish faith in magic, something like what Vox called, "cargo cultism." I'm too close to the right to see what our attitudinal, emotional, and instinctive foundation is, but I am pretty sure we have one. It could be something as simple as "realism," but I can't swear to it.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop October 31, 2015 10:29 PM  

@67. Tom Kratman October 31, 2015 10:07 PM

note that I said "articulable difference." There's something going on below that, something felt but not really thought upon. On the part of the extreme left I think it's a kind of childish faith in magic,

Yes of course magical thinking. Sir. E.g. manna falls from the sky in the socialist economy and formal education will uplift the less intelligent (who are not to be called that).

It could be something as simple as "realism,"

At the risk of sounding terribly un-PC, it could be something as simple as IQ. One study (I can't put my finger on it) showed a distinct rightward bias among silicon valley techs and mathematicians. Another study, blogged by VD a few months ago, showed the average Cambridge professor's IQ to be 126. So the SJW factories, even the ones that churn out the Lexus-SJWs, are run by midwits. The higher-IQ leftists are quite possibly high-functioning sociopaths who don't actually buy their own product.

Blogger Geir Balderson November 01, 2015 12:50 AM  

How did that old South African saying go? One bullet for one settler?

Seems only fair to turn that around to save the hapless Swedes.
I wonder if the Swedes gave up their guns? Tsk.

Well if they did they will have to hit the invaders with sharp, angular, particle board furniture! Their Battle Cry could be.....
IKEA YOU!!!!!

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 01, 2015 3:31 AM  

I'd say Leftists are dreamers in the sense they are more driven by ideas and Rightists are probably more functionalist, driven by what they perceive to work in real space.

This might also show a degree of the religious preferences on the Right has for both Christianity, which is a very grounded religion and some have for Heathen religions which are traditional and designed to function

Leftists tend to very nebulous sorts of things, New Age and Eastern religions and some very abstract vague Christian ideas if they believe in anything

Blogger Tom Kratman November 01, 2015 4:56 AM  

That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think that's really it. Intelligence doesn't make all that much difference in a species that actually uses instinct and emotion first and foremost, and intelligence mostly just to rationalize the dictates of those. Brighter or less bright, lefty or righty, that's generally true. We reason about what wine to have with dinner. We elect people to high office on instincts, emotions, and, of course, aesthetics. And then there are lefties every bit as bright as I am (by whatever measure one cares to use) with whom I could agree on what wine to have with dinner and nothing else. Why? Because we're both reasoning flawlessly from radically different presumptions, the presumptions dictated by the aforementioned instincts, emotions, and aesthetics. No, that the lefty average was low, if so, wouldn't really refute that.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 01, 2015 5:00 AM  

They're not driven by ideas, A.B.; they're driven by fantasy they mistake for ideas. Contemplate "I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?'" Ever notice that they ask the question but make no attempt to answer it? Yes, that's a fantasy mindset.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 01, 2015 5:14 AM  

Geir, there's about 1 civlian owned gun per five people in Sweden, or about one per military age male.

Anonymous Homesteader November 01, 2015 10:32 AM  

Re: Left vs. Right-

French assembly connotaions aside, the nazis were left wing. Leftists, in the modern sense, are denoted by one key point- the desire for the state to exercise complete control over all aspects of society, so long as they control the state. They also believe in the perfectibility of man. These are not features of the right wing belief system.

So, what you see, then, is that Fascism-"bundle"-Mussolini's dictum of "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state". Leftist.

Nazi- "It says socialist right on the label!" Conplete desire for Party control, down to and including family life. Leftist. Industry left alone, but still answering to the Party.

Communism-International socialism. Left.

As for the modern shibboleth about fascism-=right wing! Don't believe the post-war lefty spin.
Leftists were loving on the the Joe/Benito/adolf trifecta all through the thirties.

So. In modern American politics. Left= State control, blank slate theory, perfectibility of man through progressive ideals.

Right=Limited state, imperfectibility of man, individual control of private affairs.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 01, 2015 11:59 AM  

It all went right past you, didn't it?

Blogger Mindstorm November 01, 2015 12:34 PM  

@54 Thucydides

Correct.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 01, 2015 2:08 PM  

@71. Tom Kratman

That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think that's really it. Intelligence doesn't make all that much difference... No, that the lefty average was low, if so, wouldn't really refute that.

I'll stand the proposition down to a possible supporting role.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 01, 2015 6:39 PM  

There is one thing about most - at least most - of the highly intelligent leftists that rings a bell. I'm not sure "sociopath" is exactly the right diagnosis. On the other hand, when you have people who writes fantasy plays in their head\s for themselves to star in, people who, given the chance, treat the rest of humanity as morally insignificant stage props in those plays - think here: Stalin; think here: Mao; think here: Pol Pot - "sociopath" may, in fact, be close.

Blogger The Other Robot November 01, 2015 9:16 PM  

@64:

Who wrote this?

It would be lunacy to try to estimate the value of man according to his race, thus declaring war on the Marxist idea that men are equal, unless we are determined to draw the ultimate consequences. And the ultimate consequence of recognizing the importance of blood, that is, of the racial foundation in general, is the transference of this estimation to the individual person. In general, I must evaluate peoples differently on the basis of the race they belong to, and the same applies to the individual men within a national community. The realization that peoples are not equal transfers itself to the individual man within a national community, in the sense that men's minds cannot be equal, since here, too, the blood components, though equal in their broad outlines, are, in particular cases, subject to thousands of the finest differentiations.

He seems not to believe in either of the two extremes you suggest.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 02, 2015 12:47 AM  

@78. Tom Kratman

I'm not sure "sociopath" is exactly the right diagnosis. On the other hand, when you have people who writes fantasy plays in their head\s for themselves to star in ... think here: Stalin...

Actually, it made me think of Forrest Bishop. Aaanyways, "sociopath" is one of those rubber band words, often exchanged for psychopath. One of the more useful distinctions is made be a female author (Barbara Something?), between a "natural sociopath" and a "functional sociopath"- which come to think of it is a subset of the nature vs nurture argument. The functional sociopath learns his skill at the hands of the masters. He's the camp follower, the Outer Party member, the authoritarian follower, the petty bureaucrat.

Out of a small library with titles like DSM IV-TR + Clinical diagnosis manual, Meeting the Shadow, The Human Zoo and Think Like a Shrink, two books stand out:

People of the Lie by R. Scott Peck and
Political Ponerology (The science of human evil adjusted for political purposes) by Andrew Somethingpolish

Both of these bolt right up to SJWAL without needing any mods. Highly recommended.


Anonymous Takin' a Look November 02, 2015 1:31 AM  

Forrest Bishop-

You are thinking of Barbara Stout, "The sociopath next door"

There is also Robert Hare, Paul Babiak, Cleckley "The Mask of Sanity"

There's lots of names for psychopaths. (Demons in Human Flesh, wetikos/wendigos, The Morally Insane, Crocodile Swine, etc.)

Blogger Tom Kratman November 02, 2015 1:45 AM  

TOR, I think you may need to read that a few more times. He is _expressly_ putting himself in the camp I describe as extreme right wing.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 02, 2015 1:45 AM  

TOR, I think you may need to read that a few more times. He is _expressly_ putting himself in the camp I describe as extreme right wing.

OpenID genericviews November 02, 2015 9:42 AM  

Hundreds of Refugees disappear:

My guess is that there are a few thousand "guests" who are playing the system using multiple false names to gain multiplicative benefits in multiple locations. Very easy to do when the system doesn't require positive I.D. and even if they did, 2/3 of the names are some variation of "Mohamed".

Blogger Dirk Manly November 02, 2015 11:30 AM  

Never underestimate the capability for dishonesty of even the most devout Muslim. In fact, i think the more devout they are, the more dishonest they are.

Blogger bob k. mando November 04, 2015 2:57 AM  

62. The Other Robot October 31, 2015 6:25 PM
I must admit that facile claims that the name NSDAP proves he was of the left have been losing appeal for me



if the 'facile claims' don't do it for you, try watching 'Triumph of the Will'. there's not a damn thing it that movie that any American would recognize as 'of the Right', except for the nationalism aspect.

and there's nothing intrinsically 'Right wing' about nationalism ( excepting that Marx arbitrarily decided that it was ). Russia, China, Vietnam, the Norks, etc may mouth platitudes about the international proletariat, but you'll notice that in *practice* their individual Socialisms express in an oddly 'nationalistic' tone.


78. Tom Kratman November 01, 2015 6:39 PM
On the other hand, when you have people who writes fantasy plays in their head\s for themselves to star in, people who, given the chance, treat the rest of humanity as morally insignificant stage props in those plays ...."sociopath" may, in fact, be close.



this is a point i've been making for some years now.

and don't get tied up too much in the clinical definition of "sociopath", in colloquial usage it's more of a placeholder then meant literally.

ALL of the Cluster B diagnosis as well as Bi-polar express in personalities with, how you say, very serious boundary issues. add socio / psychopathy ( some draw distinctions between those two ) that and you've got a pretty significant portion of the population that regularly acts out in a destructive manner towards their own tribe.

Blogger bob k. mando November 10, 2015 11:02 PM  

@57

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