Friday, November 20, 2015

Peyton always was a punk

Contrast Manning's reported behavior with Brady's when he was injured. No wonder Brady ended up with more Super Bowl rings. He was the better quarterback because he is more of a team player.
If this is indeed the end for Peyton Manning, it may be even uglier than we thought.

While the product on the field has been difficult to watch (nine touchdowns, 17 interceptions), it has apparently extended off the field, too.

According to NFL Network’s James Palmer, with Manning not playing this week due to what the team is calling a left foot injury, the future Hall of Famer has not even been near his team or coaching staff this week.

Manning “hasn’t attended any practices or meetings this week and hasn’t had a single conversation about Sunday’s game plan with Brock Osweiler,” according to Palmer. Mark Haas at CBS Denver has reported the same.
Everyone has assumed that Peyton Manning would become a successful OC or head coach someday due to his high football IQ, but I wonder if his personality won't sabotage him there too.



Anonymous MIchael Maier November 20, 2015 4:36 PM  

For all his success with the Colts, I've never much cared for Peyton. Something about him seemed off-putting. When dealing with adversity Brady gets mad and determined, Peyton pouts and sulks.

Blogger Daniel November 20, 2015 4:48 PM  

Now, I don't doubt that Kubiak and Manning aren't chatting, but I'm pretty sure that's mutual, but Manning said two days ago that Brock doesn't need "one more coach's voice" in his ear and that he supported him 100%. Osweiler also said that Manning has been supportive and ready with advice if he needs it.

They were both quoted two days ago as having talked, so my guess is Palmer is just stirring up crap. He is a reporter after all.

Brady better than Manning? Without a doubt. Manning too selfish to pull the plug? Maybe. Punk? No.

Anonymous RJ November 20, 2015 5:16 PM  

Archie and Eli are punks too. Remember how the Manning family forced San Diego to trade him to NY for Phillip Rivers so that Eli would have more marketing opportunities?

While I hate Brady, I have come to respect him for his accomplishments on the field and for his take on the food industry in the U.S. marketing sugar, corn syrup, and starch as food.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 20, 2015 5:27 PM  

I was tempted to like him for fighting Father Time despite the public embarrassment involved, but I guess not. There seem to be a lot of whiny bitches in the NFL. Maybe that's what you get when you have a nanny for a league office.

Blogger BassmanCO November 20, 2015 5:27 PM  

As a Bronco fan, this whole season has sucked (and yes, I know this is a first-world type of complaint). Our D is great, but the offense is so bad we have won games we didn't deserve to win.

Hoping Brock comes in like Brady in 2001 and ends any talk of Manning coming back. The man needs to retire.

Anonymous Cash November 20, 2015 5:27 PM  

This is crap. Nothing is more annoying than the injured/suspended guy acting like the hero on the sideline.

Kubiak doesn't like Manning so that could be a part of the reason as well..... and that it is a
CBS Boston article.

When Manning was in Indy and they pulled him out he always became the OC so we have history to prove the opposite of this report.

Anonymous A Visitor November 20, 2015 5:31 PM  

I agree Peyton isn't a punk in that regard. One of the reasons Brady has last longer than Peyton (and will outlast him) is because he didn't get beat up nearly as much as Manning did.

From what I saw when Peyton first came to town up until when he left us for the Broncos he was nothing but a class act on and off the field. I've seen no evidence to the contrary with the Broncs either.

Anonymous WillBest November 20, 2015 5:52 PM  

Pretty sure the only reason Manning is even playing this year is because his brother has 2 SB rings.

Also, I would think somebody headed to the Canton wouldn't really care about a coaching career. Too many hours involved. Just go get $2-3 million a year being on NFL Countdown. Bam! 15-20 hours a week of work for 24 weeks a year.

Blogger Dave November 20, 2015 5:57 PM  

Hoping Brock comes in like Brady in 2001

Good to see Bronco fans have realistic expectations.

Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 6:12 PM  


Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 6:13 PM  

Big Ben showed great leadership on the sideline when he was injured.

Anonymous Anonymous November 20, 2015 6:22 PM  

Not sure punk is the best word choice. He never struck me as one.

Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 6:28 PM  

Has Peyton already retired?

Anonymous Anonymous November 20, 2015 6:29 PM  

But he does need to age gracefully and retire. It's over for him.

Anonymous Geoff November 20, 2015 6:52 PM  

I don't know about the off-the-field stuff but, on-the-field, Peyton was a pleasure to watch (at least up until recently). I, for one, will be sad to see him go.

Anonymous Sub November 20, 2015 6:55 PM  

Would have been interesting to see how Manning's career would have turned out in a tighter division, or with a less timid coach. At least a couple of the playoff losses with the Colt's can be partially attributed to rusty starters who had been riding the pine for 4 weeks prior to the game.

Brady is a better quarterback, but still deserves a great deal of skepticism with regards to how his career would have played out under a more scrupulous coach than Belichick. Both deserve the Barry Bonds treatment, being one of the greatest power hitters of all time didn't clean the taint from Bonds, and neither should Brady/Belichick get out from stink their cheating brough over them. Damn Pete Carroll for handing the P*triots a post-Spygate 'ship.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 November 20, 2015 7:01 PM  

We will see, but I think Peyton is a class act.

Blogger RAMZPAUL November 20, 2015 7:24 PM  

I lost respect for him when he staged a celebration.

Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 7:43 PM  

Ah yes, the minor infraction known as spygate, and the made up issue known as deflategate

Blogger scott holland November 20, 2015 7:51 PM  

“No, I’m not a coach for one thing. And as I shared with him, he’s probably going to have a lot of coaches this week, some that aren’t coaches either, that are going to be offering him tips or advice,” Manning said. “So I told him that I am here for him as a resource if he needs me, but I’m not going to be one of those extra voices in his ear.”
Geez, what a f'n asshole! /sarcasm

Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 7:57 PM  

The butthurt Manning lovers.

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 20, 2015 8:03 PM  

I have seen him lose games they should have won with the Colts and one in his first year with the Broncos in his first year. Manning would refuse to run the ball with a lead in the 4th Quarter. This would result in Ds concentrating on stopping the pass, causing turnovers and very little time taken off the clock. This was particularly disturbing with the Colts where they had an excellent running game. He's gotten better but I suspect that's because he can't throw the football. I've watched his entire body open up and the ball come out sidearm too man times this year. When that happens the head goes back and you lose sight of the target. Still, I admit he was a great QB, if not my favorite by a long shot. Too bad coaches refused to get control of his selfish tendencies a long time ago. For all his numbers, he never never wins without a great defense.

Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 8:26 PM  

He was great, indeed. The stats don't lie.

Blogger ray November 20, 2015 8:40 PM  

Don't know anything about Peyton and don't pretend to. But the insipid commercials . . . is he on Fire Sale?

Need to feed the family and maintain a roof? I'll grit my teeth. But why do men who already are financially loaded have to lower themselves to sluttery? If he is a good guy, like some here assert, and I hope he is, why degrade yourself for a few extra bucks? That's how you want folks to remember you?

Oh well I guess he's doing it the American Way.

Blogger Anchorman November 20, 2015 8:51 PM  

Meh. Not his job to coach. He knows how Peyton Manning can play and how Peyton Manning needs to be coached. He isn't tuned to coach this other QB.

If he coaches the guy from his perspective and it doesn't work, writers will suggest he sabotaged the guy. Best to leave it to the people the ownership hired to coach the team and position.

Anonymous Anonymous November 20, 2015 8:57 PM  

Peyton has always been a finger pointer when things go wrong. Not one to accept blame. I remember his sideline rants on Jeff Saturday (Colts center) and the offensive line. Until Tarik Glenn (Colts tackle) got up in his face and put him in his place.I highly doubt we will ever see him as an NFL starting quarterback again.

Oh and his interest is in owning an NFL team, not coaching. He's been putting a lot of money back and has his sites set on purchasing the Titans. Back in Tennessee where he played his college ball.

Anonymous bw November 20, 2015 9:12 PM  

All timer, tho. Certainly the First Family of White, Southern QB's for goodness sake. Momma was Belle box in the day, son. Archie is the man.
Pretty good

And the Interviews about their dildo kicker post Vin are the greatest...especially the locker room tv one where reporter is going on and on about the kicker leading up to the question and PM is just shaking his head the whole time and grimacing knowingly and annoyed.. then says after all the emotive bs lead up: "he's just a kicker.." sarcastically. All timer.

And Eli has 2 rings as a result of two absurd plays.

I highly doubt we will ever see him as an NFL starting quarterback again

Quite possibly. But you won't ever see Tarkington or Unitas or Starr etc start again either. There's this space-time, linear thing combined with the 2nd Law... never mind.

Back in Tennessee where he played his college ball

....but never beat Spurrior and the Gates or won n SEC or HT (Woodson).

Anonymous Sub November 20, 2015 9:26 PM  

Guitar Man doing a good job proving what a breeding ground for moronic homers Boston is.

Deflategate was basically a make-up call for Goodell's wristslapping of the "minor infraction" in 2007 that he should have dropped a hammer on instead of shoving his nose up Robert Kraft's ass. If there is anything that Goodell should be canned for more than the 10 months of media overload on underinflated balls, it's opening the window for a bunch of low-information retards who can't pronounce the letter "r" to think they have a legitimate dynasty in football.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 20, 2015 9:36 PM  

27 comments and no Tim Tebow joke yet.

What is the world coming to.

Anonymous Anonymous November 20, 2015 9:40 PM  

Commenter shartiste recently wrote at Heartiste's:

"Meanwhile.. Aaron Rodgers spoke out against a fan who shouted a slur against muslims (said nothing in support of White french people). Packers lost. Peyton Manning donated to Jeb Bush. Got benched this week. Tom Brady, unapologetic Trump supporter, led his team to another cold blooded win in an undefeated season."



Blogger Daniel November 20, 2015 9:44 PM  

If this atrocious offense wants to make the playoffs, Brock better be the second coming of Tebow.

Blogger Daniel November 20, 2015 9:45 PM  

And someone remind me what Kubiak did to warrant his job?

Blogger Billy November 20, 2015 9:47 PM  

Peyton and Brady and both great men and QB's. A reporter writes and article stirring shit, that is all. White athletes have it tough enough. The don't need to dodge missile from their own base. I understand that Peyton might have beaten someones team at one time during his career and you hold an eternal grudge. Get over it, its just a game.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 20, 2015 10:00 PM  

Asspies and sports are a bad mix.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 10:05 PM  

I don't believe this shit for a second. Also... Brady wears uggs

Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 10:13 PM  

Sub, we can both agree that it is time for Kraft to go. However, I was raised in the part of New England that pronounces words the proper American way.

The only time Brady disappointed me was when he wore his Trump hat.

Blogger Guitar Man November 20, 2015 10:21 PM  

And I can admit, 10 championships since 2001 has probably made many Boston fans delusional.

Anonymous FYI November 20, 2015 10:30 PM  

You will never see his like again.

Blogger Rambam November 20, 2015 10:37 PM  

Kubiak is ok as an OC, but doesn't quite have what it takes to be a successful head coach. Peter Principle.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2015 10:49 PM  

> Ah yes, the minor infraction known as spygate, and the made up issue known as deflategate...

Cheating is cheating, and the Patriots have a history of it.

Anonymous SDH November 20, 2015 11:10 PM  

The Train is fine. It's now time for business news.

Anonymous ticticboom November 20, 2015 11:24 PM  

As a (for my sins) Giants fan, one thing that always annoys me is that it always seems that when the camera pans the sidelines when they're on defense Eli will just be sitting there, staring into space. Meanwhile, Peyton in that situation always seems to be going over plays with the head coach or OC.

Now, that might be chance, but I noticed the pattern a few years ago, and I haven't seen a change since. YMMV.

Blogger Maple Curtain November 20, 2015 11:27 PM  

@18: yes, I'm a Steelers fan, but I will always watch Belichik's Patriots and Brady at QB. Belichik is the best coach ever - 20 years of guys taking less money just to play there tells you a lot. Would take him as Steelers coach any day.

Blogger Dave November 21, 2015 12:12 AM  

Belichik is the best coach ever

Yeah try explaining that to a Cleveland fan. Season ticket sales decreased in four of his five years coaching there.

Anonymous Red November 21, 2015 1:14 AM  

>As a (for my sins) Giants fan, one thing that always annoys me is that it always seems that when the camera pans the sidelines when they're on defense Eli will just be sitting there, staring into space. Meanwhile, Peyton in that situation always seems to be going over plays with the head coach or OC.

And yet Eli has more Superbowl rings. The difference being is Peyton ball hogs massive offensive stats during the regular season and chokes in the play offs, while Eli wins hard games.

Anonymous Brian November 21, 2015 1:31 AM  

Peyton is the better player, but his ego always got in the way of team success. If the Colts/Broncos won, it had to be because Peyton was the hero. Burned his ass in the playoffs a few times. College, too. Brady it seems doesn't care who gets the credit, he just wants to be sure he's ready when his number is called. Big difference. Brady would have thrown for more yards, and Manning would have more 'Bowls if their attitudes were reversed.

Football is a team game. Nobody ever told Peyton that.

Blogger Jimmy Glover November 21, 2015 7:59 AM  

I read the original post. It was a leftist type screed. It was from Boston, took a few stretches to arrive at what is essentially a "Brady vs. Peyton" hit piece, and slathered Brady as a "team Player".

He is. Manning is. Favre was.

Blogger Jamie-R November 21, 2015 8:10 AM  

Can't stand Boston teams, but Tom Brady is clearly Captain America.

Blogger S1AL November 21, 2015 8:31 AM  

Why do I get the feeling Vox is actually trolling his readership for once?

Blogger Cecil Henry November 21, 2015 10:18 AM  

Can't the best passer in NFL history have a bad game??

Its not the end of his career, though it is winding down.

Why all this draconian negativity from one bad outing??? Doesnt a guy with this outstanding record get any leeway???

Blogger Cail Corishev November 21, 2015 10:48 AM  

Cecil, he's having a bad year, not a bad game. Their defense has been saving him. He was spent at the end of last year, and started this one with a noodle for an arm, barely making up for it with his brains and accuracy and reputation. But now that teams aren't afraid of him....

It's freaking pro sports; I don't blame anyone for staying in as long as a team is willing to pay him. Hang on as long as you can. But there are a variety of ways to react when you get benched because the other team is using you for interception practice. You could shrug it off with a grimace, as if to say, "Guess it wasn't my day." You could get in the coach's face and demand to be put back in, then yank your helmet off and bash some sideline equipment into pieces with it. You could sit down and let a trainer look at the injury the team will be talking about later in the week.

Or you could stand there with your helmet on, staring out at the field with a petulant look on your face. Even though I was cheering for the other team, I started wishing the TV crew would stop showing him, for his own sake.

Anonymous Susan November 21, 2015 10:54 AM  

Nate, I suspect Brady wears Uggs because his supermodel wife makes him do it. Or he is in the warm up stage of some really bad ankles.

@28 brings up a good point. Why does Manning get a pass for most likely not being able to throw a pass, yet Tebow gets slammed for that? Also seems to me that a more legitimate slam on Manning is he doesn't really play as a team, he is more concerned with the team making him look good. I noticed that when Seattle massacred them in the SB.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 21, 2015 11:25 AM  

Why does Manning get a pass for most likely not being able to throw a pass, yet Tebow gets slammed for that?

Manning's not "getting a pass," as you can see from this thread and the fact that he was benched last Sunday. He used to be an excellent passer, and they hoped an off-season of rest would restore his arm enough to get by, combined with his knowledge of the game and ability to out-think defenses. Tebow never had any of that.

As for whether Peyton's a good "team player," I have no idea. I'm not sure I know what that means in the context of trying to win pro football games. But regardless of whether he was liked in the locker room, he used to improve his team's chances of winning, and now he doesn't. Every aging star has to face that, and he can do it gracefully or not.

Blogger Guitar Man November 21, 2015 12:03 PM  

Goodell not Kraft (from last night). Zzzz

Anonymous Susan November 21, 2015 12:56 PM  

@52 Cail
Sorry, I probably should have added "in the press" somewhere in there. You guys always give a great give and take on the whole subject of football. Most of you also have your eyes open when it comes to the whole subject, not like other website commenters who won't entertain a single bad thing about their team or QB.

Anonymous Andrew E. November 21, 2015 2:04 PM  

As a life long Bronco fan who grew up idolizing Elway, I have to say I've felt for four years now that the Broncos will suffer bad karma until they atone in some way for the way they dumped Tebow after the season he gave them in order to bring in a hired gun. Haven't followed the team very closely since (a BIG change for me).

Blogger Dave November 21, 2015 2:43 PM  


You don't put Tebow's name in the same universe or galaxy as Payton Manning when it comes to the NFL. Payton has close to a two decade career at a very high level of play (he has most of the QB records in the NFL) Tebow will be a very small footnote in the history of the NFL.

Tom Brady has an UGGs endorsement and many people were taken aback when the deal was announced some years ago but what can you say to Captain America.?

Anonymous WaterBoy November 21, 2015 3:50 PM  

Cecil Henry @ 49: "Its not the end of his career, though it is winding down. "

As noted here, it was essentially the end of his career before the first game. As long as he could produce, they would stay with him...but that didn't happen. Now with this injury opening the door for Osweiler, it's only a matter of time before Manning is relegated to backup.

He should have retired after last season.

Blogger Anthony November 21, 2015 11:53 PM

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