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Wednesday, November 04, 2015

Ranger School coverup

The Army is attempting to bury the evidence that it relaxed standards in order to permit women to graduate from Ranger School:
Congressman Russell contacted the Secretary of the Army on September 15, 2015, and requested the Ranger School records for Captain Kristen Griest and First Lieutenant Shaye Haver.

The Secretary of the Army stalled Russell for nine days and then asked for an extension to obtain documents readily available.

The Army waited another two weeks to tell Russell the documents had been shredded.

The Army refuses to tell anyone what the school’s policy is for the storage and destruction of Ranger School records.

The Army refuses to tell the media why they shredded Griest’s and Haver’s records.

The Army refuses to tell the media what they are doing with the third female graduate, Major Lisa Jaster’s records.

The Army wants us to doubt that journalist Susan Keating’s Ranger School sources are real because they are anonymous.

The Army wants us to believe that if Susan Keating’s sources were real they would come forward, when in fact, they are frightened of retribution. Considering the Obama administration’s treatment of whistleblowers, these fears are more than justified.
I very much doubt anyone is even remotely surprised by this. But consider the silver lining: given the way in which recent administrations appear to regard American citizens as the enemy, there are worse things than social justice convergence debilitating the U.S. military.

Destroying the evidence won't do the Army any good. Everyone knows that the standards were dumbed-down and that the women who "passed" the course are frauds and an insult to all real Rangers, past and present. Want to argue otherwise? Fine, show the records.

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Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 2:10 PM  

The following are the statistics overview from 2010-2014:

42% overall graduation rate between FY10-FY14.
58% overall failure rate between FY10-FY14.
36% of students fail in the first 4 days (“RAP Week”)
Ranger Physical Assessment (RPA) – 14.3%
Land Navigation – 12.4%
12 mile foot march – 7.9%
Combat Water Survival Assessment (CWSA) – 1.3%
14% of students fail due to Administrative reasons
Medical – 5.8%
SOR – 2.7%
LOM – 3.2%
Admin – 2.5%
8% of students fail due to Academic reasons
Patrols – 3.4%
Patrols & Peers – 2.4%
Peers, Spots, Patrols/Spots, Peers/Spots, and Patrols/Peers/Spots each average to less than 1% of failures annually
Approximately 34% of students recycle at least one phase of Ranger School
61% of Recycles are due to patrols

I am sure the women are fairing MUCH Bettet

Blogger LonestarWhacko November 04, 2015 2:11 PM  

No surprise there. Fish rots from the head first.

Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 2:12 PM  

Oh wait . . .

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 04, 2015 2:18 PM  

Don't bother to examine a folly; ask yourself what it accomplishes.

Blogger Alexander November 04, 2015 2:19 PM  

It strikes me that creating a massive amount of bad blood between US Army, the institution and US Army, the men who actually did the fighting... is a very good thing for citizens that the institution views as an enemy.

Blogger Giraffe November 04, 2015 2:19 PM  

The fact that women graduated from Ranger School IS evidence they lowered the standard. How dumb do they think people are?

Blogger Salt November 04, 2015 2:23 PM  

They let them because the guys need entertainment in the field.

Anonymous Donn #0114 November 04, 2015 2:26 PM  

Elite top women's athletes are in the 50th percentile for men. So we're saying that our rangers are A. Not elite, in fact so weak that women can pass the courses or B. The administration is lying and these women never passed the physicals.

Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 2:28 PM  

@6 Giraffe

How dumb do they think people are?

Excellent question.

While men go from their units to Ranger School, this current crop of women were coddled in a way that is simply stunning. From an online military forum where this was discussed:

I honestly know that some (not all) of the females who are going through right now were treated favorably in order to be better prepared for Ranger School. And “favorably” is a very conservative way of putting it. For example: multiple opportunities to pass RTAC; training in-between RTAC cycles to get better prepared to complete RTAC; training by an RI (not from RTB or RTAC) to get better prepared for Ranger School; PT plans focused on RAP week events and weapons training. All of this took place on the the governments dime at Ft. Banning and they did not have duty obligations back at their units. I’m sure all Ranger students would love to be put on active duty orders (if guard or reserve) or separated from their daily duties to strictly prepare for Ranger school. At the end of the day, they needed this preparation in order to have a good shot at passing rap week in ranger school.


A woman can do any5thing a man can do . . . and better! So there!

Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 2:30 PM  

See what I mean?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales November 04, 2015 2:33 PM  

@10

Ah! Kill it with fire! Kill it with fire!

On a related note, just how cowardly are atheists, historically, whether as civvies or military personnel?

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 04, 2015 2:34 PM  

I don't think it's as obvious to everyone as you hope it is.

Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 2:35 PM  

@8 Donn #0114

The administration is lying and these women never passed the physicals.

Anonymous A Visitor November 04, 2015 2:36 PM  

"The Army waited another two weeks to tell Russell the documents had been shredded."

Really? Granted Army still hand jams their SF-86s so maybe these were paper documents. However, I am skeptical. Remember of Griest or Haver (forget which one) commented how they were surprised they passed?

"The Army wants us to believe that if Susan Keating’s sources were real they would come forward, when in fact, they are frightened of retribution. Considering the Obama administration’s treatment of whistleblowers, these fears are more than justified."

Exactly! Look how they just NOW reinstated that half bird colonel who blew the whistle to Issa and was accused of being given classified info to Issa?

"...they were disappointed that I would suggest that they were up to nefarious activities.”

Given the diverging objectives of careerists and those who want to protect teh country regardless of what happens to their career, nefarious activities amy be afoot.

“Twenty more females are set to begin Ranger School in November.”

We won because equality!

@6 That's it. It's almost as if we're living in Soviet Russia (never thought I'd say that in my life time), Pravada er I mean the Army says one thing, and we know it's a lie.

Anonymous Nathan November 04, 2015 2:37 PM  

I'm not surprised. This isn't the first time the Army has been caught cooking the books for a desired outcome, especially when it comes to women and combat.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 04, 2015 2:39 PM  

@14, If we were living in Soviet Russia this wouldn't be going on. After WW2 ended they went over their records and realized that combat units consisting of women were completely inadequate to the task, and for the most part were never gender-integrated anyway.

OpenID elijahrhodes November 04, 2015 2:39 PM  

The average American is so thoroughly conditioned to accept Grrrl Powrr that it won't even occur to them that standards would have to be lowered. And even so, gender equality is far more important than standards.

Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 2:40 PM  

@14 A Visitor

We won because equality!

You go girl!.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 04, 2015 2:41 PM  

Army? This came down from Obama - probably direct.

The next President and SECDEF will have a horrible mess to clean up. I started working for the Navy in 1980...and while Carter didn't fund the military adequately, neither did he treat it as a group of lab rats on which he could play Social Justice Mengele.

Blogger Alexander November 04, 2015 2:45 PM  

I suspect the average American believes that while yes, men are technically more powerful, women make up the difference by being faster and more agile.

Because Mortal Kombat.

Blogger Orville November 04, 2015 2:47 PM  

Social Justice Mengele -WINNER!

Anonymous Homesteader November 04, 2015 2:51 PM  

This goes back, oh, I dunno, forever.

Desert Storm-the love boat. KKMC- the clerk prostituton ring. (Line of GIs waiting outside the M113, field grade notices..)

Mechanic school-toolboxes too heavy for females-"can you carry mine?"

Let them graduate as many girls as they want.

The battlefield will always disprove their ideology.

(Women in war are booty, in every sense of the word.)

Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 2:55 PM  

"The battlefield will always disprove their ideology."

But then again, ya can't be too careful . . .

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 04, 2015 2:56 PM  

There is no dearer dream to the SJWs hearts than to turn the military into an SJW factory.

So far the uniform side of things has been a notable failure for them. You see you can't be on serotonin reuptake inhibitors and join the military. Also you have to get your hand chaffed and no one is allowed to wear a man-bun.

Time for plan B.

The Obama Administration has, as naturally and as instinctively as a beaver builds a dam bloated the civilian side of the DOD with Social Justice Warriors. The jobs created for them are not political appointments, these drones are going nowhere once Obama is out of office. They are still going to be at the DOD.

Blogger Josh November 04, 2015 3:02 PM  

Army? This came down from Obama - probably direct.

Why do you think that?

Blogger Daniel November 04, 2015 3:02 PM  

You know, these women could be the extreme outliers of womankind.

Like Bruce Jenner.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados November 04, 2015 3:10 PM  

25. You want to bet money on that?

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/04/cold-anger-the-first-signs-of-the-proud-vulgarians/#more-107984

People aren't stupid. They know the root cause of all their woes: And they haven't forgotten who stabbed them back time and time again, either. The electoral rage is very real, and the revolution has already arrived.

And it ain't being televised.

OpenID denektenorsk November 04, 2015 3:21 PM  

Send in the elite female Rangers into Syria. See how they perform.

On another note this is a regular occurance with female fire fighters in Sweden. When tested a LARGE percentage of them could not carry the required amount of weight for the job. But yay, equality. Who cares if a few people burn in a fire?

Anonymous Donn #0114 November 04, 2015 3:26 PM  

@29
The firefighter's unions have for years tried to prevent from filming or taping women in training. They notoriously fail several required tests often in comical manners (if they weren't trying to save lives). There's a reason they're called 'firewatchers'.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 04, 2015 3:28 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 3:33 PM  

"When tested a LARGE percentage of them could not carry the required amount of weight for the job."

My brother served as a machinest mate in the Navy for 4 years. Not one of the women he worked with could handle the fire hoses EMPTY let alone operating.

Blogger GoldRush Apple November 04, 2015 3:37 PM  

>>and that the women who "passed" the course are frauds and an insult to all real Rangers,

Just a slight correction: An insult to all the soldiers who completed Ranger School without any help or privilege - past, present and future. Becoming a Ranger is an entirely different thing than graduating from Ranger School.

Blogger Rabbi B November 04, 2015 3:40 PM  

@26 Josh

Why do you think that?

I have an idea

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Blogger Chris Mallory November 04, 2015 3:44 PM  

@25 "There is no dearer dream to the SJWs hearts than to turn the military into an SJW factory."

It has been a SJW factory since July 26, 1947.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer November 04, 2015 3:45 PM  

Having been in a non-elite portion of the Army (Signal Corp) I can assure you that the women I worked with did not shirk the physical parts of the job, leaving that to the men. Nor did they ever use their looks (the attractive ones) to their advantage when dealing with their superiors. And I definitely did not see two women get into a hair pulling, eye scratching fight in the barracks while I was stationed in Korea over some guy they both had the hots for.

So you are all just haterz!

Anonymous Athor Pel November 04, 2015 3:53 PM  

http://weaponsman.com has been following this ranger school story since it started, providing an insider's perspective. You can probably guess what his conclusions are.

Just by evaluating the information already officially released with what is known about how ranger school works we can see evidence of epic levels of coddling for these women and the implication of politically motivated corruption.

Blogger Jack Ward November 04, 2015 3:58 PM  

@1 A 12 mile foot march? Is that all? My God. In Nam we often had to do double that or more in a given day on operation. These are the standards for real Rangers [the men? Well, the Marines of Nam era and before would have been shoo ins at Ranger school.
Unless, there were other circumstances; say, prior to the foot march 2 days of no sleep and practice assaults. Extra heavy packs; over 80 pounds and the weapon with full ammo load out. Then, maybe.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 04, 2015 4:03 PM  

When wIll the poor white teenagers who make up the backbone of the Army understand that this institution is one that now shares none of their values?

Thought experiment: what percentage of the men in history who volunteered for military service knew the ideologies, values, and political goals of those who would be sending them to fight?

Blogger Bill November 04, 2015 4:07 PM  

Not sure why this is news, the Army announced new Ranger standards in 2010, they're about 5% easier than the old standard, cutting the pushup requirement by, IIRC, 3 pushups made it MUCH easier for women (and men!). This is why the cut rate for Rangers went from about 75% down to about 20%.

And there's now a female general officer, with zippo combat command experience, over at 10th Mountain.

And then there's Eric Fanning.... Just in case there was any doubt.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 04, 2015 4:12 PM  

My niece recently returned from boot camp or whatever passes for that these days, after joining the Army or Reserves (I've tried not to get too many details, because it's hard to keep my eyes from rolling when they talk about it). They certainly didn't put any muscle on her; she still looks 100 pounds soaking wet. She can probably run okay, and as a farm kid she's probably tougher than you'd think, but don't expect her to carry much very far. There was some chatter about how she had to carry her weapon everywhere with her for a while, but no discussion at all about whether she might have to kill someone with it someday, or whether that would be a good thing for a girl to do.

It's such a bad joke.

Blogger Raziel Walker November 04, 2015 4:13 PM  

@38 Exactly why it is such a shame that anyone gets preferential treatment on anything. It lessens the regard we have for people that are the real deal.
Women can be capable rangers, but since men are on average stronger it just means there are fewer women capable of meeting the requirements.

@11 Why would an atheist be any more cowardly or not? Isn't cowardice about ethics and morals instead of religious beliefs? A coward lets fear guide his actions instead of doing what is 'right'.

Anonymous Jonathan November 04, 2015 4:13 PM  

Why would any young man join the military today? It's getting as bad as colleges.

Anonymous grey enlightenment November 04, 2015 4:16 PM  

Lowering the standards - it's how you get empty suits like Obama in office

Blogger Hammerli280 November 04, 2015 4:22 PM  

@24 Cataline:

I haven't seen the DOD Civil Service workforce be that seriously affected. Yes, there are some classic Gammas in management who've been seduced by the SJW follies...but they're outnumbered by hard-nosed SOBs, many former active duty, who are keeping the true faith.

And praying that relief will come on 20 Jan 2017.

Blogger Daniel November 04, 2015 4:22 PM  

And here I assumed the Ranger School cover up was going to turn out to be a burka.

Blogger Daniel November 04, 2015 4:31 PM  

"I would like to see every woman know how to handle guns as naturally as they know how to handle babies." - Annie Oakley.

This proves she finally got her wish. Women now haven't got a clue what to do with babies, except to use them to get out of handling guns in foreign countries.

Blogger Daniel November 04, 2015 4:33 PM  

And praying that relief will come on 20 Jan 2017.

Yeah. I'm sure Jeb Bush or Bernie Sanders will totally restore sanity to the military with courage and an iron will.

Anonymous TLM November 04, 2015 4:39 PM  

There is no way any of these chicks made it through the Darby Queen on their own. They do not have the upper body strength. I knew this was BS when they first announced it. And Land Nav at night in the woods is a bitch, I doubt they passed that as well.

Anonymous rienzi November 04, 2015 4:50 PM  

When my Navy boot camp company marched in review for our graduation back in 1968, the company carried old WW1 era Springfield rifles.

When my son's Navy boot camp division marched in review for it's graduation in 2000, they carried folded raincoats!

It would not surprise me if today's Navy boot camp divisions march in review for their graduation carry the current copy of "LGBT Times".

John Paul Jones must be rolling in his grave.

Blogger FALPhil November 04, 2015 4:58 PM  

My older daughter runs Tuff Mudder races.She is in damned good shape for a man or a woman, and I often go to watch her race. One thing I have noticed is that women are never in the first wave. One of the first obstacles they slow down or fail on is companion carry obstacle, where you have to carry your racing companion (or a stranger, if you don't have one) for quite a distance. It is an upper body strength thing. Then there are the obstacles where the contestant has to scale a height. Again, upper body strength comes into play.

It's biology.

Blogger Bill November 04, 2015 5:11 PM  

@52 Biology is misogynistic.

Anonymous kfg November 04, 2015 5:12 PM  

@48

Thread winner!

"John Paul Jones must be rolling in his grave."

He transferred to Russia.

Blogger Noah B #120 November 04, 2015 5:12 PM  

These days it's safe to just assume the government is lying about everything.

Blogger Student in Blue (now with blog) November 04, 2015 5:15 PM  

@44 Jonathan
Why would any young man join the military today? It's getting as bad as colleges.

Student Loan Repayment.

Blogger Kirk Parker November 04, 2015 5:17 PM  

Noah @ 55,

I think the first two words do not belong in your statement.

Anonymous BGS November 04, 2015 5:22 PM  

When I was in the military the Dept of Nursing would hold special PT tests for nurses so they could pass and be promoted. Some of the nurses actually thought they reduced their 2mile run times by 16min or more without even trying.

@ Rabbi B. It sounds like they made the Ranger course less challenging than the Expert Medical Field Badge that I earned. only ~10%pass of those that tried out for it.

Why would any young man join the military today? It's getting as bad as colleges. I joined to pay for college.

The Army wants us to believe that if Susan Keating’s sources were real they would come forward, ...they are frightened of retribution

I was glad I was over 900 miles away when I found out how many people got affected by my one report of health care fraud. That probably counted the works of the top 100 non Asian minority diversity outreach people. But obviously the test scores are top secrete matters of national defense.

Desert Storm-the love boat. KKMC- the clerk prostituton ring. Women in our support unit renting themselves out in Humvee ambulances

The next President and SECDEF will have a horrible mess to clean up

If Trump wants to replace the SECDEF with a better faggot I will use rules of engagement that make the Russians look restrianed, no high heels needed.

"I would like to see every woman know how to handle guns as naturally as they know how to handle babies." - Annie Oakley.

Left in a car when going into the store and dropped a lot.

Anonymous bgs November 04, 2015 5:23 PM  

"That probably countered the works"

Blogger Troy Lee Messer November 04, 2015 5:23 PM  

I can just foresee what is going to happen if they ever actually send these women into battle. They are going to lose, badly. When ISIS post their gang-rapes on youtube, many already pussified Americans will obsequiously prostrate themselves before the bearded horde. Challenging the narrative that they should not have been sent in the first place will only get you labeled a misogynist.

Anonymous Daniel H November 04, 2015 5:46 PM  

Susan Keating, the author of the expose, writes for People magazine. Take note SJWs: when you have lost People magazine you are losing, period.

Blogger Dave November 04, 2015 5:51 PM  

When I was in the military you were just BigSteve?

Some of the nurses actually thought they reduced their 2mile run times by 16min or more without even trying. That's quite funny actually while frightening at the same time.

Blogger Curtis November 04, 2015 5:55 PM  

Well, they can always send them to Turkey/Syria to train CIA-ISIS-Nusra-Qaeda-FSA-Flavor-Of-The-Day and prove themselves.

Anonymous kfg November 04, 2015 5:55 PM  

@58: "Left in a car when going into the store and dropped a lot."

Honorable mention. That Oakley quote is a golden straight line.

Blogger Matamoros November 04, 2015 6:07 PM  

@36 It has been a SJW factory since July 26, 1947.

Good point, but you mean July 26, 1948.

On July 26, 1948, President Harry S. Truman signed this executive order establishing the President's Committee on Equality of Treatment and Opportunity in the Armed Services, committing the government to integrating the segregated military.

Note that this was also, like Obama's actions, an unconstitutional executive order that was rammed down the country's throat.

Anonymous BGS November 04, 2015 6:33 PM  

When I was in the military you were just BigSteve?

I don't always write it out unless I am defaming black/moslem crimes against gays, or bad behaving faggots like the Sec Of Defense or saying QUEENS TRUMP SPADES. I got out of the military in the 90s.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 04, 2015 6:35 PM  

"If women can do the job at the same level as the men I see no reason to keep them out" is just the first step towards "we need more women and we don't care how good they are."

On this issue I'm very torn. In my patriotic days no question I'd be angry over this. Now I'm not sure whether I should celebrate the weakening of the military or hate it.

People think that drones have made soldiers obsolete but that's nonsense. Aircraft haven't made ground troops obsolete and drones won't either, at the very least UAVs won't.

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Anonymous Poli_Mis November 04, 2015 6:40 PM  

Shredded? I was an active duty back when Bubba and man bear pig was mandating the services go to all digital paperwork for fitness reports, training reports, etc.

They said they were going to reduce the size of government and by golly they did. Chuckle.

Anonymous BGS November 04, 2015 6:44 PM  

Even the Dominican Republic can kick out 3rdworld invaders
http://news.yahoo.com/sad-homecoming-haitians-deported-dominican-republic-055540399.html

I am so glad I made it to London in the 90s
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/27/tb-rates-in-parts-of-london-worse-than-iraq-eritrea-and-rwanda

Anonymous Discard November 04, 2015 6:55 PM  

43. Raziel Walker: Just so you know, women cannot be capable rangers. That's what the post is about.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 04, 2015 7:04 PM  

@18 Rabbi B
@14 A Visitor

We won because equality!

You go girl!.
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It's not a full integration until the guys have to be seated to pee.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 04, 2015 7:05 PM  

@20 Alexander
I suspect the average American believes that while yes, men are technically more powerful, women make up the difference by being faster and more agile.

Because Mortal Kombat.
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We had FATALITY, BABALITY, etc. We need a good MK word like that for SJWs.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 04, 2015 7:27 PM  

@28 denektenorsk
Send in the elite female Rangers into Syria. See how they perform.

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they'll be fine. All the Syrians are in Europe now, remember?

Anonymous Old News November 04, 2015 7:50 PM  

in which recent administrations appear to regard American citizens as the enemy

Since 1948. Yeah. I'm with ya.

Anonymous Jack Johnson November 04, 2015 8:13 PM  

@39 "No shit, there I was, knee deep in hand grenade pins and empty magazines..."
Yawn....
Class 7-92

Anonymous Soga November 04, 2015 8:23 PM  

"If women can do the job at the same level as the men I see no reason to keep them out" is just the first step towards "we need more women and we don't care how good they are."

And even if they genetically engineered women to be as strong as men, we don't need women to be like men. We need women to be women.

Plus, I figure it would be insulting to God. He made us male and female for a reason.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 04, 2015 9:12 PM  

I am acquainted with SKK. She isn't lying. Big Army is lying through it's teeth.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales November 04, 2015 9:36 PM  

@43

Exactly. You just proved my point. Atheists, by definition, have no actual morals or ethics because they're lack of religion (specifically, Christianity) knocks out any ontological basis that would say Good even exists let alone the epistemological details of what said Good entails. Thusly, the honest atheist would have to conclude that his worldview has a propensity for cowardice since nothing is really worth killing over or being killed over.

Oh true, there are less nihilistic atheists and ones who are more secular humanistic, but ignoring the fact that secular humanism was specifically founded by its founders to prevent atheists from realizing that to be honest atheists is to be nihilists, secular humanists are the kind of asshole who manufacture rights willy nilly and are thusly overwhelmingly in the camp I and most people who comment here wish to see purged from the earth along with anyone even remotely associated with them, up to and including childhood friends they haven't seen in decades and long dead pets just to be sure.

It really isn't that hard to understand. When your own worldview robs you of your personhood and says you're a meat-puppet, threats to your body's life suddenly became all the more urgent since if your body dies you cease to exist period. Simple.

Blogger John rockwell November 04, 2015 9:54 PM  

@Emmanuel

''Thusly, the honest atheist would have to conclude that his worldview has a propensity for cowardice since nothing is really worth killing over or being killed over. ''

Not necessarily. Considering that men were willing to kill over communism and the current Atheist-secular Leftist Kurds in Syria are willing to fight and die for their people and nation in spite of their lack of belief in God

Anonymous robwbright November 04, 2015 10:03 PM  

Not surprised. The US Women's National Soccer team has difficulty beating 14 year old boy's teams and loses regularly to 16 year old boys. There's no comparison physically.

Blogger Geir Balderson November 05, 2015 12:11 AM  

"These days it's safe to just assume the government is lying about everything."

This statement is so true and has depressed me for so many years. We can't trust our own government and that will be America's downfall.

Blogger JohnG November 05, 2015 12:43 AM  

Some of you guys are missing that these two females very likely won't stay in a Ranger unit where the physicality would be the crucible of truth. Likely they'll go back to their old MOSs and just be sporting a Ranger tab. Also, they're both officers, meaning they won't hump (slog around with heavy gear) as much as the troopies, and after some promotions, they won't be humping at all. This was expressly for the purpose of getting them promoted faster, not because either one of them had any real desire to serve in a commando unit.

Anonymous Homesteader November 05, 2015 1:44 AM  

4th beer.

@emmanuel, et al:

An ideal world-

1. Sorting-each people to their own territory. Vox can work out that whole pesky "indians had the land but Europeans built the country" problem. No mixing-i.e., Europe for EUROPEANS. South Africa for WHITES-they fucking BUILT IT! Etc.

2. Roles- No Blank Slate. Complementary, not competitive. Our wives, sisters, mothers and daughters are respected for what they excel at, not for what they suck-at-but-want-to-do because feminism. Repeal all attempts at leveling. No females in ANY combat branch, period. Free college for mothers AFTER your last child leaves home. Working grandmothers are lauded for their life experience and wisdom, and appreciated for their appreciation of men.

3. Culture- Again, sorting. Each nation to prioritize culture before economy. We are people first- our economy serves us. Tradition, family, community-no invaders. You are a small link in a mighty chain, as a communion between God, your ancestors, you and yours, and your unborn progeny. How WILL this affect yours, 100 years hence?

4. Aspiration- Decadence arises when struggle ceases. The full weight of human potential is only realized in the face of moon-mission/ D-Day type challenges. Currently, our best and toughest have what? Facebook cubicles and a neutered "military".
"Without vision the people perish." Grand and noble aspirations, full of peril and promise, to drive our people to their date with Destiny. We were not meant for this chattel & fodder existence.

Ad Astra Per Aspera!



Blogger Rantor November 05, 2015 6:02 AM  

I second the suggestion, free college for women who raised their children. To get priorities even more clear, one year free college for each child raised. 4 kids for a Bachelors, 6 kids for a Masters and 9 kids for a PhD.

Blogger skiballa November 05, 2015 6:32 AM  

All,

That 12 mile ruck march is @ under 3hrs, with your load and equipment specified. That said, having been present for EFMB testing, it was not uncommon to see females drag themselves looking half-dead across the finish, while most males looked like they could keep going. Which is an important point, after moving to your objective, that's when the fight begins.

As BGS said, that EFMB test is no joke, I spent some time (~5 yrs) in an Airborne rated Med unit, they don't fuck around if it means Soldier's lives. That unit was one of the best I was in while I served, most senior leadership (males) had a Ranger or SF tab.

I've told my kids that I would prefer they join the military over going to college. College these days is a bad joke, at least the Mil will teach a skilled trade and give you some solid experience if you put some effort in.

Does it really surprise anyone that they would lower the standards, they'll have to for the males too. Something like 50% of new recruits don't meet height/weight standards, and can't meet the physical standards without an additional training and conditioning period.

Blogger Robert What? November 05, 2015 7:26 AM  

The saddest part of this is the high likelihood that, in some future combat, male rangers will get needlessly killed or injured picking up the slack for the female rangers.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 05, 2015 8:04 AM  

@86

I can't agree with your desire your kids go into the military. yes it will teach a trade, but the way the military is going, there is a high likely hood your kids will be killed for no good reason, or find themselves in as much trouble as they would SJW U. The military has become an SJW factory and, as such, is a danger to any normal kid. I used to tell young men that didn't know what they wanted in life to serve a hitch to mature and figure things out. I now tell them to stay far away from the military. Far, far away. Tech Schools are the better bet these days.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 05, 2015 8:28 AM  

@denektenorsk

Those girls will see neither combat nor dangerous training. The army no doubt learned from navy's fubar with Kara Hultgreen.

Blogger Matamoros November 05, 2015 8:37 AM  

@19 Army? This came down from Obama - probably direct.

Another reason why we need Trump as President.

Blogger Matamoros November 05, 2015 8:39 AM  

@73 It's not a full integration until the guys have to be seated to pee.

What, they have to become muslim - sit to pee and wear those sissy robes?

Blogger dc.sunsets November 05, 2015 8:48 AM  

Girls can do anything, the TeeVee says so (notice at all protagonists on TeeVee crime, cop and military dramas are attractive young women who are all 100% capable of kicking men's butts in H2H even when the man outweighs the protagonist by 50% or more.)

Breitbart recently had a column on a FL law professor (female) testifying that women weren't capable of using pistols to defend themselves. Comments expressed justified outrage, but (presumably) man after man claimed his girlfriend, wife or daughter was a better shot than he.

I erred in pointing out that while most women are perfectly capable of learning to use a pistol for defense, women are not equal to men, assuming similar levels of training, in use of pistols for battle, and I cited the 2014 national championship rosters for IDPA and USPSA.

I got called every name in the book. I was "stupid," "ignorant," "misogynist," I had "small genitals," etc., etc., from people who read Breitbart!

The rot is deep. It will take extraordinary times to burn it back out.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 05, 2015 8:55 AM  

@82 We can't trust our own government and that will be America's downfall.

Orwell revealed the truth long ago; there's never been a time you could "trust your government." Orwell was simply extending Lord Acton's axiom: Power corrupts. Since by definition those in power are thus corrupt, and since we know that history books are written by those selected by the powerful (or paid by them), we further know beyond doubt that what we're taught about history is actually just mythology that rationalizes the existence of the few & powerful parasitizing the many & powerless.

Etienne de la Boetie proved 500 years ago that this is how the ruling clique always obtains the necessary consent from the ruled.

Trust your government? You mean, trust the men and women who aspire to order others about, and whose incomes are based on taxes levied on the productive? Really.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 05, 2015 9:04 AM  

Speaking as someone who graduated Ranger School (Tom buffs fingernails on shirt), "Back when it was hard," as we say, I am not nearly as concerned with whether the path for the girls was greased a little as I am with the Army refusing a congressional demand for information and shredding documents after the demand was made. It's fucking tantamount to treason and some senior officers need to hang for it. No, I don't mean a figurative "be hung out to dry," I mean rope and elevator shafts.

OpenID genericviews November 05, 2015 9:23 AM  

I agree. The big story here is not that senior military officers are almost universally liberal or that they follow the orders of the elected administration. The big story here is that they defied Congress and destroyed evidence, in violation of their oaths. All they had to do was release the records and say "yes we made it easier but it was for the good of the service". Case closed. They could even used the Kratman argument of the experience being "differently hard" for the women.

Blogger skiballa November 05, 2015 10:05 AM  

@ Quartermaster

Some parts are certainly, the shit that's going on currently seems to be part of a cycle the military has been going through since the end of the Vietnam draft.

I am a more recent vet, having gotten out around five years ago, after ten in uniform, I have a pretty good idea of what they will have to deal with. Fortunately (or not), the military has a strong institutional memory, and things tend to revert to the status quo after the reformers move on.

The primary point, to me, is comparing recent military vets to recent college grads, which would you prefer your child to be? Mine still have a few years before they reach military age, I imagine things will change before then, but then, I am an optimist I guess.

Of course, with my ancestry, every generation since King Phillip's War has served. As cliche as it might sound, it is a family tradition, we're the type that provides the backbone of the military. Something that is not uncommon among certain demographics, though TK could probably explain better than I. We serve a nation that has granted us so much over the years.

TK, I'm looking forward to the next in the Service Guarantees Citizenship series.

Blogger Dexter November 05, 2015 10:12 AM  

In an ideal world this would be part of the Army's devious scheme to limit the damage. "See, some women graduated from Ranger School, it's not impossible, it's just really hard like it should be..." (and then hope the SJWs don't notice that no more women graduate after the first two).

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 05, 2015 10:53 AM  

As BGS said, that EFMB test is no joke,

I got the EFMB in the 90s and they where willing to let women challenge their failures. I remember there was a woman CPR instructor that failed the CPR lane who said she couldn't have failed it because she was a CPR instructor, just like the people grading her /credentialism. Also it started to drizzle when I took the night land navigation test, all the girls finished before I did passing, but a guy after me failed and the graders told him he could take the test the next night with the girls. The girls got upset saying he would be getting 2 chances to pass, the instructor told them everyone that didn't pass tonight already failed. Marching back from night land nav one of the girls didn't bring the poncho that was part of the uniform out there and wanted people to come back for her, but was made to march back with everyone else.

Blogger skiballa November 05, 2015 11:20 AM  

BGS,
I was assigned to a detail supporting the course when my BN ran it, I was not eligible myself being an Ordnance MOS. I was impressed, it's a tough 2 week course. Very few females passed that I recall, and it's really hard to challenge a no-go on the physical aspects, either you can do it to standard or you can't. Easier to challenge a graded event, especially when it comes down to the judgement of a grader.

I enjoyed land nav, I have fond memories of wading through waist deep water at 0530 with a water moc swimming by me at crotch level 4 feet away, fun times.

Blogger Latigo3 November 05, 2015 11:54 AM  

The Army has been dumping down the value of the best units for at least 25 years.
Case in point: Back. In September of 1990 I went through Airborne School after my 13 weeks with 1/50th on Sand Hill at Ft. Henning. Three things happened during Airborne School that I took notice of and for me, it tainted the coveted "wings".
First thing was when an overweight E-5 (don't' remember his MOS, he was clearly a desk jockey, but he was the platoon leader for the next three weeks) came in the barracks and started trying to assert his authority by yelling at a few of us that had come together from 1/50th, we all kind of snickered at the fat guy trying to tell us skinny 11B's what to do.
Secondly, the Airborne shuffle was disappointing, because it ensured that even the fat E-5 could keep up. The philosophy of not wanting to wanting people to fail was clearly evident. Even then, the women ran in a separate formation.
Thirdly, the worst was when I saw the women doing their PT, they didn't have to do real pull-ups (pull-up bar was around 3' off the ground, they di the supposed pull-up while laying on their backs) and their pushup's were done with knees on the ground.
Watching that made me very angry at the time, but clearly it was engrained in the culture of the military at the time.
I think the death knell though for the Special Ops community happened when everybody got to where a black beret. Those of you that are old enough remember that the black beret could only be worn by those in the 75th Ranger Regiment or the instructors at Ranger School, that was it. Makes me wonder what they had to do with that old song we would sing, "and a black beret, Airborne-Ranger all the way".
This story is simply telling me that in the Army, the struggle is over, our Army is now just being gutted like a fish after sitting in a bucket of water for the last twenty some odd years.
The w

Blogger Latigo3 November 05, 2015 11:58 AM  

Just reread my post, it was Ft. Benning not Ft. Henning

Blogger skiballa November 05, 2015 12:17 PM  

@Latigo3

I understood anyway, D 3/47 at Benning for me.

The military has had a lesser standard for females since they were integrated, the hope I hold on to is that pushing further reveals that it has never been a good idea. I don't understand the thinking, but I can't believe that anyone thought shredding the documents would end any inquiry. If anything it would cause more scrutiny, this is exactly the kind of thing I would expect from soldiers that are trying to raise a red flag without getting caught up in it.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 05, 2015 12:41 PM  

@96

My family can be traced back to 1649 in this country. We have served in every conflict in this country, as well as its foreign wars. My son got out in 2007 because he was utterly disgusted with the trash the SJW entryists had managed to inflict on the Army. Frankly, it would better for a kid to go to Tech school and sort himself out than to have to endure the disgusting trash the military will shove down his throat. My son does not look back on his 12 years with fondness, even in retrospect. He tells kids the same thing I tell them. Stay away. Far, far away.

Blogger skiballa November 05, 2015 1:07 PM  

@Quartermaster,
Tech schools are becoming a joke too though, they've turned into a mass production of whatever trade they specialize in, and when you get out, no jobs, market saturated.

If things continue as they are it may well be a moot point, no more volunteer only military if no-one volunteers.

But, things that can't continue generally don't. It may of course require a defeat of our military to cause that change. And I don't mean the political defeats we've gotten so good at, I mean a major catastrophic, military proven unable to continue as-is defeat.

I also know that every generation has their gripes about the military, both my grandfathers had vastly different opinions on the subject of their children serving.

My family has been here since 1634, you might say I'm invested in the idea of preserving this land for my future generations, with the current gov't or without, makes no difference to me, though minimizing bloodshed would be ideal.

Anonymous Donn #0114 November 05, 2015 5:55 PM  

Col. Kratman if you are still here, how common is it for the Army to pull crap like this when they are under a spotlight. Any group the size of the army will have guys that will do anything they can get away with in the dark but this is out in the open. Do they just figure they'll get away with it? Have you heard anything?

Blogger Tom Kratman November 05, 2015 6:30 PM  

Nothing that isn't open source. If you look at weaponsman.com, he's been tracking it pretty regularly.

There is no lie the senior leadership of Army will not tell, no principle they will not compromise, no failure they will not cover up, if the Army's political masters suggest they should. This goes back a very long way. Look up Project 100,000 some time.

As to this instance, opinions of what went on with the girls are mixed, with some people considered pretty solid, reliable, and honest coming down on the side of "they met the standards." What even those guys aren't addressing though is that standards are meaningless without reference to conditions.

Anonymous 12 Bravo November 05, 2015 7:38 PM  

I was a grader for the Expert Infantryman's Badge, long ago. Captain Rosen did not pass the test on Explosives and Demolitions. Lieutenant McGutless, my superior, drifted into my tent and went through the "in" pile on my field desk, fished out the Captain's test, graded it, and buried it in the "out" pile. I went through the pile and graded the Captain correctly. He had missed two when a passing score allowed only one error. Shortly after, the grading scale was adjusted, and two errors in Demolitions and Explosives became the passing score.

My rule of thumb is, the more decorations and badges on an officer's chest, the bigger the bullshitter he is. Look at how many rows of ribbons you see in any photo of a general. We had a Sergeant Major who'd been infantry in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, had the Medal of Honor, wore the Merrill's Marauders overseas patch, and even he had only four rows of salad on his chest. Now, every E-5 has got that much.

The rot isn't new, but it has expanded in the last several decades.

Anonymous Bob Roberts November 05, 2015 8:47 PM  

My rule of thumb is, the more decorations and badges on an officer's chest, the bigger the bullshitter he is. Look at how many rows of ribbons you see in any photo of a general. We had a Sergeant Major who'd been infantry in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, had the Medal of Honor, wore the Merrill's Marauders overseas patch, and even he had only four rows of salad on his chest. Now, every E-5 has got that much.
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John T Reed has a lot on that subject about them being attendance/administrative medals. I don't really disagree with that at all, but to the general public with no military experience, it makes them look like a hero.

Anonymous Homesteader November 06, 2015 12:56 AM  

The military was helpful when I was 19 and otherwise adrift, a poor, white teen with no prospects.

Now, I have to acknowledge its destruction by the vile left, and pose the question-

How do I offer my sons the beneficial training it offered me?

I need a non-SJW boot camp.

Anonymous Homesteader November 06, 2015 1:04 AM  

Regarding the girls who passed-

Even if they did, that makes them freakish outliers, statistically. They represent nothing but themselves.

(But we know they didn't pass. They WERE PASSED.)

Big difference.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 06, 2015 6:05 AM  

I don't know thta we _know_ anything, one way or the other. My suspicions lie with a mild fix, but I don't _know_ it.

Something to remember, too, is that Ranger School has changed. Some of that started in the 80s under the baleful influence of some medicos who couldn't understand the starvation and sleep deprivation. Food, thereafter, went up. To compensate for that, the schools made the loads heavier, and changed a few other things, which probably caused more damage than was desirable. With the recent campaigns, it seems to have been decided at some level that the personnel system and exigencies of the service couldn't deal with recent graduates being effectively worse than useless for some months after graduating. Hence, there's been a lot more sleep than there used to be. Since attrition rates remained about the same, I am sure the school changed some other requirements to increase the misery and risk there. With the sleep deprivation and starvation building up, recycling used to be extremely hard most of the time. Now I am not so sure. One thing to look at would be how much of a break did the recycles actually create? Did the girls get to pig out and sleep in for a couple of weeks between phases? That changes the nature of the course radically, by changing the conditions in a way that makes the standards meaningless. Conversely, were they also starved overworked and sleep deprived between recycles so that they had no advantage going into the next phase. One doubts, but maybe. Then, too,, what about peer reports? It's fairly hard to get peered out, but if enough of your squad detests you, and a move only leads to another squad detesting you, you will be gone. I'd like to see the - I am sure shredded now - peer evals. Failing that, I'd want to summon and put under oath the other squad members to reconstruct the peers. And that could be done.

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