Tuesday, December 01, 2015

Such ingratitude

Here we hand the Hugo Award to Cixin Liu and he is less grateful than Charles de Gaulle after World War II.
GT: Some Chinese fans have said they want to band together to vote on the World Science Fiction website next year. What's your opinion on this?

Liu: That's the best way to destroy The Three-Body Trilogy. And not just this sci-fi work, but also the reputation of Chinese sci-fi fans. The entire number of voters for the Hugo Awards is only around 5,000. That means it is easily influenced by malicious voting. Organizing 2,000 people to each spend $14 is not hard, but I am strongly against such misbehavior. If that really does happen, I will follow the example of Marko Kloos, who withdrew from the shortlist after discovering the "Rabid Puppies" had asked voters to support him.

GT: Many fans believe that even if The Three-Body Problem had benefited from the "puppies," it still was deserving of a Hugo Award. Do you agree?

Liu: Deserving is one thing, getting the award is another thing. Many votes went to The Three-Body Problem after Marko Kloos withdrew. That's something I didn't want to see. But The Three-Body Problem still would have had a chance to win by a slim margin of a few votes [without the "puppies"].

After the awards, some critics used this - the support right-wing organizations like the "puppies" gave The Three-Body Problem - as an excuse to criticize the win. That frustrated me. The "puppies" severely harmed the credibility of the Hugo Awards. I feel both happy and "unfortunate" to have won this year.
You Rabid Puppies should all be ashamed of yourselves. Not only did you misbehave, but you "severely harmed the credibility of the Hugo Awards". And here I simply thought the book was better than Ancillary Tea Party with Pronouns. In any event, it sounds to me as if we clearly have no choice but to join the Chinese fans in nominating The Dark Forest, which is the second book in The Three-Body Trilogy, and is even better than the first one.

However, this is the more interesting comment: "My American publisher estimates The Three-Body Trilogy will sell 20,000 copies."

Now that's interesting. In other words, Gorilla Mindset and SJWAL have already outsold the projected sales of the trilogy that has a good chance to collect three Hugo Best Novel awards. Castalia House may become the biggest publisher in science fiction and fantasy faster than we imagined.

In any event, Liu is smoking crack if he thinks The Three-Body Problem had any chance of winning without the support of the Puppies. He should follow John Scalzi's lead and withdraw from consideration now if he doesn't want to win without our help.



Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 4:23 AM  

China will grow larger!

Blogger The Original Hermit December 01, 2015 4:38 AM  

I thought I was a Rabid Puppy, but I've been demoted to being a "puppy". This deadnaming is making me feel unsafe.

Blogger Sherwood family December 01, 2015 4:56 AM  

My thought reading this was: "How much does Cixin Liu really know or care about the controversy surrounding the Hugo?" Is he really concerned about the influence of the Sad and Rabid Puppies on the credibility of the Hugo or was he merely saying what he knows the Torlings want to hear so he can keep making those U.S. dollars?

Maybe he is a thorough going SJW. I don't really know. But it would not surprise me if he was just mouthing the slogans of the "Party" because he does not want to go through a struggle session for holding the wrong ideas as now characterized by the SJWs in the U.S.

Blogger Markku December 01, 2015 4:58 AM  

was he merely saying what he knows the Torlings want to hear so he can keep making those U.S. dollars?

I think it's obvious that he knows which side of his bread is buttered. I mean, he's friggin' Chinese.

Blogger Takin' a Look December 01, 2015 5:16 AM  

Even the chinks will Bow

Blogger Sherwood family December 01, 2015 5:18 AM  

That was my thought, too. This is to get the money and who cares about puppies of any variety. Pragmatic and without scruples.

Blogger Raziel Walker December 01, 2015 5:22 AM  

20.000 copies does not sound as a lot for a Hugo winner. Must say that I liked the book and will the next one if I see it around.

I have no idea how many copies of Skin Game Butcher sold but I imagine about 10 times as much as Thee-body problem. Liked Skin Game, but it wasn't anything new or exciting, just more of the same mostly. (Which might not be all that bad)

I read one book by Kevin J. Anderson (first book of that seven suns saga) but did not like the universe I was presented with. The storytelling itself was good though, the book was a page-tuner but did not novince me to buy more.

Blogger Rantor December 01, 2015 5:23 AM  

He really should stretch and go for the Chinese vote... There are hundreds of millions of them. Just .001 percent of China would control the Hugo's. Bring glory to China. Show the Japanese to be unworthy... Leave those western SJWs crying under a Midwestern sky

Blogger Ron December 01, 2015 5:31 AM  

There's not enough TORadol to sooth the SJW pain, but it's side effects are weight gain, zits, butt hurt, as well as purple hair, the loss of balls in men and growth of facial hair in wymen.

Most of which are on the list of actual side effects:

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 5:51 AM  

"My American publisher estimates The Three-Body Trilogy will sell 20,000 copies."

Anybody else shocked at how shitacular those sales numbers are?

That's an average of fewer than 7,000 copies a book. That's not much more than voted in the Hugos.

Looks like Larry Correia was right all along. Traditional sci fi publishing is eating its own tail.

Science fiction and fantasy is more mainstream than ever. Books are more popular than ever. This should be a golden age for skiffy bookselling, not an age where one of the most original and critically acclaimed new works in years gets outsold by BBW Paranormal Shapeshifting Romance and the novelisation of Turner and Hooch.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 December 01, 2015 5:58 AM  

Uh oh. I think that "Chinese SciFi fans" have figured out how the Nobel Prize Committee works.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) December 01, 2015 6:02 AM  

I voted for Skin Game, primarily as a nod to the series. It was good, but not the best in the DF. Originally would have voted for Lines of Departure, until Kloos went full-retard, though had I finished reading Three Body Problem in time for voting it would have gotten my vote.

All that aside, Dark Forest was much better than TBP, and I would gladly stand in solidarity with our Chinese ahem Comrades and back Cixin Liu.

We had a co-op engineer from China offer to tell us how the TBP series ended. We declined.

Anonymous 334 December 01, 2015 6:03 AM  


Steve, you're killing us. Again.

Anonymous 334 December 01, 2015 6:07 AM  


I suspect he misspoke and is talking about 20,000 apiece. Or am I completely nuts? I have a relative who writes middle-grade fantasy. The best selling of her 9 books hit 50,000 at around the 1.5 year mark and barely got noticed. 7,000 per for an award winner seems mind-bogglingly low.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 01, 2015 6:08 AM  

If there were minimum sales/circulation numbers required to get on the Hugo ballot, would any of these so-called authors like N.K. Jemesin and John Chu remotely qualify?

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2015 6:10 AM  

Gratitude is rare in princes and unknown from communists.

Anonymous Nxx December 01, 2015 6:24 AM  

Cixin Liu is Chinese

Therefore he knows Maoism, the Culural revolution and what runaway signalling inflation looks like.

He understands SJW in ways even we don't.

“Ten thousand melodies cannot express our boundless hot love for you”: the Cult of Personality in Mao’s China

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 6:26 AM  

Darth - I thought Skin Game was much better than Lines of Departure.

Also, while the Dresden series has been amazingly consistent in terms of quality, even 15 books(!) into the series, Kloos's books are already showing Old Man's War syndrome.

At this rate of decline, the next Frontlines book will be like:

Angle of Insertion

Battle-weary Staff Sergeant Andrew "Larry" Grayson is battle-weary.

"I'm so weary... of all this battle!" moans the staff sergeant, a note of battle-weariness in his battle-weary voice.

"If you wanna go pee-pee in your big boy slacks, keep it to yourself! It's make your Mamma proud time!" cries the badass female warrior princess soldier.

"I like cocks!", says the gay Russian guy, to noone in particular.

Anonymous Nxx December 01, 2015 6:26 AM  

The Bloody Shovel link didn't come through. Here it is again:

Explaining the Cultural Revolution: signalling arms races as bad fiat currency

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 6:49 AM  

334 - I'm sorry.

Blogger Desiderius December 01, 2015 7:06 AM  

Virtue-signaling becomes absurd when the prime virtue is disbelief in virtue itself.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 01, 2015 7:08 AM  

Can we get SJWAL nominated for a Hugo?

Blogger J December 01, 2015 7:11 AM  

Isn't it more likely that Cixin was just fed the usual lines by his publisher? That's probably the source of most of his information on what's going on in the English-speaking SF circuit.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 7:15 AM  

J - Hmmm.... I wonder who publishes Three Body Problem in the US?

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Blogger VD December 01, 2015 7:15 AM  

Can we get SJWAL nominated for a Hugo?

Yes, under Best Related Work.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2015 7:21 AM  

Playing Devil's Advocate here, Cixin Liu does live in a country where it is illegal to hold certain opinions.

(*sigh*) No Steve. He doesn't live in Berkley.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 7:27 AM  

Cataline - I dunno about Gnarls Berkley, I'm just wondering if anybody will publish my book about a black man of colour trying to convince a sceptical, racist world that the Loch Ness Monster is real.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2015 7:33 AM  

Steve Ow that was mean of you.

I will now take swift and brutal revenge.

You know Pirelli Tire Calendar? The one with the half naked supermodels, that goes on the walls of garage monkey's the world over? Yeah that one.

Have you seen this year's calendar? Hubba-Hubba!!!

Blogger Doom December 01, 2015 7:38 AM  

I like Ike, or at least his interstate plan and repatriation system. I hate cunts though, and Cixin or Liu, whichever is the bitches last name, will never get my vote unless he fixes his attitude publicly. I don't care if you call in an all hands on deck broken arrow and plead. Bitches burn just like witches. Hate cunts, if I didn't mention that. He is a cunt.

Blogger Nate December 01, 2015 7:38 AM  

so.. the Rabbit policy is now set in stone. Anyone that we nominate is supposed to withdraw.

Excellent. so we officially have been ceded the power to prevent whoever we want from winning a hugo. Fascinating. Not only can we decide who wins... we can also decide who will not win under any circumstances.

Sounds like we need to make sure we nominate a certain Tor editor.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2015 7:46 AM  



I confess I had missed the implication. This does open up some vast new vistas.

I nominate Ann Leckie's Ancillary Mercy!

Blogger The Original Hermit December 01, 2015 7:48 AM  

@30 Or the mental gymnastics they have to go through to justify why they should accept the nomination. "He was right to refuse the nomination last year, but I'm going to accept this year because things are totally different this time. On a completely unrelated note, we have always been at war with EastAsia."

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 01, 2015 7:55 AM  


black man of color

Going for extra racist, are you?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 01, 2015 7:58 AM  


So they've literally cast their vote in favor of legalizing the heckler's veto, right? And yet they think we are the violent, nasty ones?

That sounds... counter-productive to their goals.

OpenID xsyq December 01, 2015 7:59 AM  

I very much doubt it'd be that simple. There's several ways to spin a RP nomination of a prominent SJW, ranging from "they finally saw the light and repented of their evil misogynistic ways" to just calling it what it would be, an attempt to get them to withdraw. In any case, because of rule #2 they simply won't remove themselves from the ballet. Pointing and shrieking only works on those who care enough to be shamed and SJWs lost the ability to feel shame a long time ago.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 01, 2015 8:13 AM  

No. Don't give them the chance to withdraw by not nominating them to begin with. I'm still boycotting Tor, I'm not planning on reading nor nominating any of their SJW authors. Their tactics include guilt by association and divide and conquer - I don't recall any of them disavowing Tor like they demanded of Vox, Larry, and Brad. They deserve scorn and derision, not honors and accolades.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 8:39 AM  

Elocutioner - Well said.

Leo - You crazy cracker.

Cataline - I officially hate you now.

Blogger Shimshon December 01, 2015 8:46 AM  

I would think there has to be some plausibility to the RP noms. Ie nominating a Scalzi book might invoke SJW Law #1, and they'd still go for it, lying all along that RP's nomination means nothing. Same for PNH.

Blogger Floyd Looney December 01, 2015 8:48 AM  

So... he doesn't want more SF fans involved... must be communist!

Blogger Alexander December 01, 2015 8:59 AM  

This needs to happen, only absolute Asian domination in fields of pop culture will show whites that an open system is the destruction of every culture that isn't east-asian, by sheer numbers.

I'm pretty sure Soju is the most consumed alcoholic beverage in the world. When You-tube had its attempt at an Oscars, it was a Kpop band called SNSD that wiped the floor with western pop in terms of votes, leading to comments about how absurd it was that a group nobody in the west had ever heard of suddenly stealing the show by ridiculous margins.

Welcome to the multicultural future. It is yellow!

And both of those are primarily because of South Korea, which is decidedly the 3rd place contender in the triangle of hate. If China got into the game of voting its culture... game over.

If the rabbits are forced to conclude that borders are necessary to protect one aspect of culture, the thought crime might spread. We should encourage this.

China, to the Hugos!

Anonymous The Kurgan December 01, 2015 9:00 AM  

Steve TDNOM and cataline,
On the pirelli's sad. I will jave tobuse a beretta to put the pirelli calendar out of its mysery in order to restore a modicum of honour to my nation.

Blogger Alexander December 01, 2015 9:01 AM  

That being said, I agree with @36. I myself will not be purchasing, reading, and therefore not voting for anything published by Tor.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 9:12 AM  

The Kurgan visits the Pirelli calendar people.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 01, 2015 9:15 AM  


I'm not hugely bothered by Asian bands winning, because I happen to like JPop and KPop. But I certainly understand the argument. It's a great argument for regional awards.

Blogger Jack Ward December 01, 2015 9:19 AM  

I will definitely read most anything Mr. Liu writes or has written. [am working my way though his stuff...which will be greatly enhanced if the Tor boycott ever ends; I won't have to find used books, which is difficult with a Chinese author] I will with reluctance admit to reading the Dark Forest and agree it was better than the first of the series. Now, if the trend continues the final of the three may be more than my heart can take. [I hope so]
Keep up the skeer Mr. Liu.

Blogger Alexander December 01, 2015 9:25 AM  


It doesn't particularly bother me either.

But it pisses off beyond belief Portlandians who think Indy band should win only to lose by several orders of magnitude to choreographed Korean dancers whose managers give absolutely zero fucks towards feminism, fat acceptance, or multiculturalism.

In a world where Asians can vote, everything will be Asian. End of story. It's important to provide practical instruction to the rabbits.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2015 9:33 AM  

@The Kurgan

Did you ever get a chance to read Chapter 4?

I have decided that for good or ill I am actually going to write this book. I'll be able to begin in earnest on this project in two weeks.

Pray for all who desire this thing to be born.

Blogger FALPhil December 01, 2015 10:16 AM  

Have you seen this year's calendar? Hubba-Hubba!!!

More rolls than the corner bakery!

Blogger VD December 01, 2015 10:24 AM  

I myself will not be purchasing, reading, and therefore not voting for anything published by Tor

Who said anything about purchasing or reading? Never limit your tactical options.

Anonymous Bz December 01, 2015 10:43 AM  

20,000 copies is not much, but I'm not very surprised. As I recall, hardcover sales figures of some well known recent SF were a mere trickle, tens of copies per month (after the initial period of sales, it should be said). As we know, advances are usually tiny, which hints at low expectations by the publisher. More broadly in publishing, it's not unusual that rather famous (or should that be, "intensely marketed") literary books sell quite badly as well.

I think publishing is ripe for an upset. The tradpub houses are on the top of the pile, but they are also clinging to an old business model and most of their people are ... well, they're not very good. Not very good at market research, not very good at identifying new talent, not very good at promotion and marketing (usually left to the author in practice), quite willing to use dodgy contracts, dodgy accounting and dodgy payment practices, etc etc. Not very impressive.

A moderate storm and the rotten old trees fall over.

Blogger TheRedSkull December 01, 2015 11:00 AM  

Voting for Liu is the AWCA thing to do.

Just because he understands Maoism doesn't mean he will take a principled stand against SJWs. Chinese have deeply inbred adaptive flexibility:

Point deer make horse.

If anything, the only lessons I see him taking away are to go with the flow and stay in the middle of the stream. And that killing academics like him is bad.

On the other hand, an honor flat might withdraw from an aggressive slate merely out of sociobiologically hardwired preference for prestige competition over dominance conflict. Marko Kloos might fit in this category. (Not that this changes anything, but it explains a non-rational behavior.)

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 01, 2015 11:09 AM  

In any event, Liu is smoking crack He should stick to opium, any Chinese that had a problem with it would have been removed from the gene pool.

He really should stretch and go for the Chinese vote... There are hundreds of millions of them.

For guaranteed money have your book taught in classes.

Can we get SJWAL nominated for a Hugo?

Its not sci fi its how to dispel fiction.

black man of color....Going for extra racist, are you? Black woman lacking color= Spokane NAACP leader

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 01, 2015 11:09 AM  

Bz - I don't know nuthin about the publishing industry, but I do know how to sell.

Tradpubs are shite at it.

If you look at Tor's website, for example, it's garbage. First of all, they don't have a proper website to promote and sell their books - they have, which is a shitty sub-Jezebel SJW blog. Today's main feature is "What Rape Apologists Need to Learn From Jessica Jones"

And if that doesn't get you in the mood to buy a book, you love rape.

You have to hunt for the link to the Tor/Macmillan publishing page to find what they're selling, which then presents you with a list of crap nobody cares about.

The sales blurbs are pathetic. But should you remain awake long enough to click on the link to buy it from Amazon, some of them aren't even on sale yet. And you can't pre-order. D'oh!

No wonder traditional publishing is dying on its arse. They haven't got a clue.

Blogger VD December 01, 2015 11:43 AM  

If Tom Doherty had any sense, he'd be asking me to run Tor. I could double its sales and quadruple its profits in a year. But I'd rather not. I'd rather blow it out of the water.

But he's too past it to even fire Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielsen Hayden. Lie down with SJWs, see your business disappear.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 01, 2015 12:25 PM  

@54 Vox:

I thought your Grand Plot was to buy Tor out in a year or two with Castalia House's petty cash fund. It'll be worth about that much after another year or so.

Then display your award-winning cruelty artistry in firing the SJWs. Preferably on film (put it on TV, you can probably recoup the cost of buying Tor).

Blogger MendoScot December 01, 2015 12:45 PM  

Re Castalia:

I just read an interesting take on women in combat units, by a sports physiologist who did a seminal study for the Marines 30 years ago. His book appears to be effectively out of print, but perhaps he might be interested in writing something for the next RtRH.

And he was fitness consultant for the Washington REDSKINS.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) December 01, 2015 12:48 PM  

"Never limit your tactical options"

Exactly. No need to drop the King's coin into Tor's well. Especially when you can borrow from a library or acquaintance.

Blogger Danby December 01, 2015 1:02 PM  

Are you sure that's the Pirelli calendar, and not Michelin?

OpenID denektenorsk December 01, 2015 1:19 PM  

20K is not a lot in sales. What's the per unit return for the author and/or publisher? How can they afford to send authors on book tours - are they sleeping in boxes?

Anonymous WaterBoy December 01, 2015 1:29 PM  

Nate @ 30: "so.. the Rabbit policy is now set in stone. Anyone that we nominate is supposed to withdraw."

Two potential problems:

1. The SJW nominee doesn't withdraw -- for whatever reason -- and wins the award when the Puppy ballot is split between the other four nominees.

2. The SJW nominee withdraws, leaving the door open for the sixth place nominee -- also likely to be a SJW -- who would then go on to win the award.

This only applies to the current voting strategy, of course, and will have to be recalculated to account for EPH in 2017.

Anonymous Bz December 01, 2015 1:55 PM  

Consider that we're in a golden age of SFF media, yet most of the SFF publishers are in crisis. How do they even manage to do that? They should be in a rising market!

Blogger Dave December 01, 2015 2:14 PM  

Castalia House could become the next Columbia House of books. Memberships are 1 penny for 11 books. Then every month you'll receive another book that's yours to keep for a small fee if you don't return it within 10 days.

No way Tor or the tradpubs could compete for long with that business model. Of course Castalia House may have to survive for awhile on negative profit levels but think of the revenue flows.

Oh, Columbia House declared bankruptcy recently...never mind.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 01, 2015 2:36 PM  

Nah, I think a Sally Struthers route would be more effective.

"For just pennies a day you could be inflicting massive butthurt on all your liberal arts friends while padding your library with quality literary works. And your gift doesn't stop there - we'll deny them accolades and awards as well. Please - consider a membership today. As a bonus offer, if you act today we'll also brand you a vile faceless minion for no additional charge."

Blogger Hammerli280 December 01, 2015 2:43 PM  

Be sure to cash in on the merchandising. The International Lord of Hate has a deal for MHI-logoed AR-15s.

Castalia House Finnish Moisin-Nagants, perhaps?

Blogger Dave December 01, 2015 2:53 PM  

Elocutioner I think you have something there

..But wait! if you sign up within the next 30 minutes the Supreme Dark Lord will send the VFM to "visit" one SJW of your choice. Shipping and handling extra, offer void in TX, ID and MN.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2015 5:37 PM  

@53 Steve

Rape apologists?

She said that?

Okay I have to go check. Be right back

...elevator music...elevator music...elevator music...

Yep she used those words in a string like they were coherent and everything.

Seriously, who the fuck apologizes for rape?

Woah! Sorry about that kid. I didn't realize you were screaming and what not. Girls don't usually say a lot after I bash their heads into a wall a couple of times before dragging them into an ally. This was all new to me and I apologize for it.

I picked up my dating techniques at Occupy Wall street and again the girls weren't objecting after I beat them into unconsciousness. Certainly ALL of their hipster friends would insist that my victims HAD NEVER BEEN RAPED AT ALL. They were all good feminists you see and they should know. After all feminists always get to decide what rape is and what isn't'.

BTW: I saw the first episode of Jessica Jones and promptly wrote off the entire thing. The premise was promising. Female mutant superstrong girl is trying to make her way as a PI. She is trying to defeat a mind control villain played by David Tennent.

Jessica Jones is SJW central. Every single SJW trope they can come up with is packed into this thing. It is almost but not quite as bad as Sense8 (Also by Netflix, I am detecting a pattern here). Some of the dialog is good but you are wading through the PC swamp to get to it. It's just not worth the trip.

Frankly the Dresden Files are better. You can watch all of that for free on Youtube.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2015 5:41 PM  

@ Steve

You are also right about It's PNH's version of Salon and that's it. That is all it brings to the party for TOR books.

Blogger J Van Stry December 01, 2015 6:20 PM  

20K?! That's IT??

Book 1 in my current series sold over 13K, is still selling, and I think I spent about a $200 advertising it!

So, either all of the scifi fans out there number less than 50K, or there is something seriously wrong with the Hugo's.

I'm guess the later.

Blogger Nate December 01, 2015 6:53 PM  

"Castalia House Finnish Moisin-Nagants, perhaps? "

Why? Some poor homeless ilk needs to defend his shopping cart?

Blogger ray December 01, 2015 7:27 PM  

If you felt unhappy then give the award back, hypocrite. Funny how none of you Righteous Moral Conscience-Angels were "strongly against such misbehavior" during the four decades that your punks and punkettes were rigging the awards (and all of American culture) to benefit your endless Grievance Minorities. IE yourselves.

[Cue enablers telling me I'm a bitch.]

And what kind of name is 'Cixin' anyway? I could get an award for 'See Spot Run' with a cool diverse name like that. If you're so unhappy then after returning your award, why don't you stay in your own country and invent your own literary awards? Until then go adjust your glasses and STFU.

Blogger Tucci December 01, 2015 7:40 PM  

How is it that a writer - or a publisher, for that matter, who has arguably as much "skin in the game" when it comes to commendations and condemnations of a particular work - can be permitted to withdraw a title from consideration for any kind of award?

Once a book or story or film has hit the market, the bolt is shot. There's no calling it back, for good or ill. How it is received is beyond the author's authority after that.

So why was Kloos ALLOWED to withdraw his title "from the shortlist" with regard to the Hugo Awards?

Recommend and nominate who and what you damned please, regardless of whether the originator considers you "right wing" and therefore somehow -- ooh, ick! -- toxic.

If an author considers his creative effort to have been endorsed by "the wrong people" for "the wrong reasons," his only recourse is to write something else which he hopes will be received hospitably by those whom he considers "the right people," and for such reasons as said writer intends.

Are these people competent craftsmen or emotional cripples with a coincidental felicity of expression?

Blogger John Wright December 01, 2015 7:44 PM  

"Are these people competent craftsmen or emotional cripples with a coincidental felicity of expression?"

I cannot confirm that they are emotional cripples. They have less of a felicity of expression than might be hoped.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 01, 2015 10:06 PM  

@Dave "Shipping and handling extra"

That can get pretty steep. Have you ever tried crating a VFM? It takes a special handler, personally trained by Malwyn, and the reinforced cages are rather heavy. Still, some things are worth any price.

Anonymous KJK189 December 04, 2015 11:31 AM  

The 20,000 number in the interview is a bad translation. It's actually saying the publisher originally forecast 20,000 total sales, not what the publisher is forecasting now.

Original Chinese for that section: 《三体》第一部去年底在美国开售,现在卖出3万多本。而美国出版商在引进《三体》时,预测3部一共能卖两万本。所以现在的情况我觉得已经不错。

Translation: The first book of "The Three Body Problem" was released in the US last year, and has already sold 30,000 copies. And when the US publisher was acquiring "The Three Body Problem", they forecast that all three books would sell 20,000 copies in total. So I think the current situation is quite good".

Also note that this interview was in August, just after the Hugo win. So the sales now are probably quite a lot more.

There's a little bit of liberty taken in the translation of the next answer too:

Translation: The 'puppygate' incident (NOT "the puppies") severely damaged the credibility of the Hugo awards

And half the answer hasn't been translated:


Translation: Actually, genuine science fiction has a very strong political flavour. And the US science fiction community is very complex, it involves racial discrimination, gender discrimination etc. It's not a "safe type of literature" as Chinese people think. In comparison, the Nebula award* is awarded by an expert jury, so it's a bit simpler,

[* Not clear if he means the SFWA Nebula Award or a major Chinese award of the same name]

I think the guy deserves more of a break. His translator was Ken Liu, so that's where he's been getting his information about the US SF community from. If your Chinese translator told you that a lot of Chinese SF fans were racist, and you didn't know any better, you'd probably trust him, right?

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