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Saturday, January 30, 2016

The SJW war on Ruby continues

Despite being warned off by members of the group, and despite the Ruby project founder making it clear that thought policing and enforcement is not going to be permitted, Typhoid Coraline has taken advantage of the founder's desire to be nice as he continues revising and spinning and attempting to take control of the project. This is his latest attempt after having the poison pill that is his Contributor Covenant knocked back:
As part of our collective culture we believe that the Ruby community should be open and welcoming to everyone, regardless of age, body size, disability, culture, ethnicity, gender, gender identity and expression, level of experience, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual orientation.

This document provides community guidelines for a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for people engaging with and contributing to to the Ruby community. It applies to all collaborative spaces and documents, including mailing lists, IRC, submitted patches, big reports, and pull requests.
  •     Participants must ensure that their language and actions are free of personal attacks and disparaging personal remarks.
  •     Participants must agree that the use of sexual imagery, sexual language, and sexual advances are not conducive to a professional environment and must be avoided.
  •     Participants must not publish non-public contact information about other members of the community, including physical addresses or other private information.
  •     Participants who disrupt the collaborative space, or participate in a pattern of behaviour which could reasonably be considered harassment will not be tolerated.
    Anyone asked to stop unacceptable behavior is expected to comply immediately.

Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported by sending an email to [INSERT EMAIL ADDRESS]. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and appropriate to the circumstances. Respondents are obligated to maintain confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an incident.

We believe that by thoughtfully abiding by these community guidelines, we help Ruby fulfill its promise to make people happy and to put the needs of the community first.
This is a retreat from the Covenant, which covers all behavior by a contributor, whether it is related to the project or not. But the level of sheer dishonesty it entails is revealed by some of Typhoid Coraline's SJW supporters.
I would recommend the Contributor Covenant. People complaining that it includes harassment in public spaces are most likely just guilty of doing so. Just because the harassment occurs outside the scope of the project does not make it any more ok!

It's quite obvious from this thread alone how toxic this community is, I can't believe so many people are essentially saying they don't want to stop harassing people by coming up with silly excuses as if a CoC was somehow implementing communism.

The responsibility of enforcing the code of conduct should be handed to a committee comprised of people who have more experience with harassment which is often not recognised by people with more privilege. As well as that, what if Matz or one of the maintainers themselves were to violate the code of conduct? Nobody could stop them, therefore the CoC enforcement task should be carried out members of minority groups who will not violate the CoC. Nobody, not Matz or any maintainers should be exempt from consequences like demotion and banning. And as Matz has already stated, he will probably not have the time or willingness to deal with peoples reports of unacceptable behaviour.
Notice how their priority is not the Code of Conduct, but the committee that is charged with enforcing it. This SJW is considerably clumsier than Typhoid Coraline, in that he openly states how the committee will be stacked by "members of minority groups" who, by their very nature, "will not violate the CoC". Remember, SJWs always set up rules that do not apply to them. They are above the law; laws are for those lesser people who are insufficiently idealistic.

Only an idiot would accept the establishment of an authority that not only has the ability to demote and ban him, but quite clearly has every intention of doing so. Sadly, there are more than a few naive idiots in the OSS world.

And, of course, anywhere there are SJWs, the First Law of SJW is in action:
I also support adopting a Code of Conduct. I believe CC 1.3 is a good base to work from simply because it is already used on many well known projects. I grew up in a "thick skin" internet age myself, so I personally prefer the "deal with it, fight back, or killfile" approach. That said, I live on top of a giant mountain of privilege. For my projects, I feel that I have a greater responsibility than simply serving my personal ideology. For me, I wasn't quick to decide that adding a code of conduct to a project was a good thing, and I shared many of the concerns expressed by the non-troll commenters on this thread.

But the net effect of actually taking the time to listen and learn, not just to those active in social justice, but everyday people from many different backgrounds, was to find out... yes, this is a real problem. Sending a signal of support to those who have experienced that problem elsewhere in a way that's loud and clear is worth doing. A CoC is one of the basic tools that can set the stage for accomplishing that, and if we trust the maintainers of this project, that trust will be preserved even after a CoC is implemented.

However, if the core team decides not to act on this, or acts on this in a way that's half baked and idealistic, or acts in way that's meant to preserve the "nice" attitude rather than making an effective decision -- you will lose the trust of many who have come to realize that community management involves a lot more than the purely technical aspect of things. There are people in this thread that I've totally lost respect for already, who I've collaborated with before and previously thought of as very insightful voices in Ruby.
Not only the lies, but the threat is always the same. Do what I demand or I shall disapprove of you! However, it is clear from this Japanese Ruby administrator's response that patience is wearing thin and the SJW attack has been recognized for what it is.
Currently, in order to maintain the integrity of the discussion in this issue, creating new accounts have been suspended. This means that we considered that this issue may be important, and this issue is occurring some hindrance to the development of Ruby. I hope that everyone who comments to this issue understands that.

After this issue was opened, many new accounts are created. Most of such accounts only commented to this issue. Normally new comers are welcomed, but in this case, sorry, I am watching such accounts with distrust.
My policy should be clear. I stand by the One-Finger Code of Conduct.

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53 Comments:

Anonymous pils@ou57.co.uk January 30, 2016 6:06 AM  

"... a committee comprised of people who have more experience with harassment which is often not recognised by people with more privilege."

Wow! They want these committees limited to white males only?

Anonymous Alice De Goon January 30, 2016 6:18 AM  

How anyone can even think of accommodating SJWs after seeing how many institutions they have co-opted and destroyed is beyond me. Are people not paying attention? Do companies REALLY think the progressive publicity they earn by declaring their support for the SJW Agenda is really going to offset the damage wrought by the neon-haired goons who worm their way into the company and start devoting double-digit percentages of said company's income towards programs for "Raising Awareness of Racism in the X Industry" or "Getting More Women into X?"

Anonymous 0007 January 30, 2016 6:24 AM  

Come on, pil, you KNOW white cis - whatever they are being called by the committees these days - males aren't recognized as members of the human race these days and can therefore be safely ignored - until the lights go out and the food deliveries stop.

Anonymous Wat Tyler January 30, 2016 6:44 AM  

"People complaining that it includes harassment in public spaces are most likely just guilty of doing so."

Ah, the blatant Kafka-trapping. Knew it would be in there somewhere. And the committee thing? reminds me of "Liberty! Equality! Fraternity! Now, let's meet the Committee of Public Safety."

Blogger Salt January 30, 2016 6:57 AM  

The length of content within the first link is astounding. These people care nothing about Ruby. They want their CoC and to exercise upon it with abandon.

The amount of response time forced upon the upper echelon in dealing with this crap will take what I'd expect as project enjoyment to the sub-basement and subject it torture. Where's the fun in dealing with SJWs?

"this issue is occurring some hindrance to the development of Ruby... many new accounts are created. Most of such accounts only commented to this issue.

Hire a gun. What's not fun to management is fun to them. It's what they do.

Anonymous Faceless January 30, 2016 7:01 AM  

If the guy who built the project offended these sensitive wilting flowers, they have no right to stand and judge him - they can stop using the project.

Amy Alkon's exactly right that everything these people create is designed to arrogate unearned power to life's losers so they can tear down the actual productive people.

Anonymous Translation January 30, 2016 7:08 AM  

"Committee" = Mutawa: Commission of the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, used to enforce Sharia Law

Blogger Salt January 30, 2016 7:11 AM  

Updated by B Meyers 1 day ago

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

OK, that's enough.

We will set up some form of CoC in the future. Let me think for a while which one we are going to choose.

Matz.

For over 5 years now, I've been a Ruby developer. This discussion has to be on of the most disruptive topics I have ever read from the Ruby Community. In all of the other email threads and help posts, the Ruby Community has proven itself to be one of the nicest, most dedicated group of people I have had the honor to be a part of. And it is extremely disheartening to me to see how this conversation has devolved into personal attacks and attempts of discrediting one another. I can't help but find it ironic that everything the proposed CoC intends to solve, has manifested itself as part of the discussion.


Entryists come in, disrupt, propose solution, and if they get it... it's game over.

Blogger Phillip George January 30, 2016 7:55 AM  

@Translation
"Committee" = Mutawa: Commission of the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, used to enforce Sharia Law

this blog is largely a clearing house for original ideas and why I love it.

I'm full on meditating on the notion Islam is the perfect expression of an SJW's religion; of the narcissist, sociopath wanting to create a religion he can call his own. No singing or dancing allowed. No alcohol. Killing and raping are permitted so long as a stringent set of rules are obeyed. The list of violation includes anyone disagreeing with me. A club like this has to have a strong leader, so I elect myself. Anyone is disagreement with my moral authority is welcome to come under the wrath of allah by my authority as his one and only prophet. Perfect. Just perfect. Code of Conduct, legal religion, SJW safe space.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 30, 2016 9:25 AM  

This is a hilariously clumsy attempt and it appears that Matz is starting to fall for it based on Salt's update.

As well as that, what if Matz or one of the maintainers themselves were to violate the code of conduct? Nobody could stop them, therefore the CoC enforcement task should be carried out members of minority groups who will not violate the CoC.

He has to know he is signing his own death warrant after a statement like that. It's painfully obvious that they plan to expel him based on some harassment that only the sacred people on the council can recognize. They basically said exactly that in those two sentences.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 30, 2016 10:00 AM  

@10 basementhomebrewer:

This is a hilariously clumsy attempt and it appears that Matz is starting to fall for it based on Salt's update.

I don't see that at all, nor do I see his budging an inch on his position that an inspirational CoC with no enforcement---which is exactly what they informally have today, "MINASWAN"---is what he'll eventually do. He engaged the SJWs for 3 days after Typhoid Coraline started xhe's attack, then his only posting is that 5 days later, 3 days ago. Search on "Updated by Yukihiro Matsumoto" to see his 11 comments.

And sampling the discussion, and looking at what our host quoted, you see that the SJWs have done a better job of destroying their argument than any opponent could do.

Blogger James Higham January 30, 2016 10:03 AM  

It's a form of insanity, we do know that, yes?

Blogger Happy Housewife January 30, 2016 10:12 AM  

They really are like an infection, aren't they? The flesh eating bacteria sort.

Anonymous Alan January 30, 2016 10:27 AM  

As a long time member of the Ruby community, I do not know of a tech community that needs any type of rules like the CoC less. I can only imagine the horror felt by Ruby's Japanese creator, Matz, at seeing this issue unfold. His response is a very typical Japanese one in my experience and gave me hope the attack will be repelled.

Anonymous DarthWheatley #2415 January 30, 2016 10:28 AM  

Dammit, these bastards just don't know when to quit, do they? I have to wonder if they're even cognizant of what they're doing. I mean, it's like arguing with a damn 5-year-old. They're so convinced they're right, they can't even realize what they're doing is exactly f-ing opposite of what they say it's supposed to do.

I have high hopes for Matz, as he doesn't seem like an idiot, but geez... if he lets this slide, it's his own damn fault for not putting the pieces together.

Matz, if you're reading this... being nice will not help.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty January 30, 2016 10:41 AM  

Perhaps we could start inoculating high profile OSS projects by proposing adoption of the Contributor Covenant before the SJWs do, but making with the boot-on-face talk from the very beginning.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 30, 2016 10:42 AM  

SJWs are such a-holes. I mean, they introduce a solution to a non-existent problem.

This violates the engineer's axiom: if it's not broken, don't fix it.

Blogger The Other Robot January 30, 2016 10:47 AM  

There seems to be a concerted action around this, because a similar cock has been pushed behind closed doors in another project.

I would be interested in knowing if there is any chatter in places I do not visit around concerted action to subvert all OSS projects?

It does seem like this is coordinated.

Blogger The Other Robot January 30, 2016 10:50 AM  

Also, which OSS groups has this happened in and is there a list of when these COCKs have been pushed.

Anonymous Man of the Atom January 30, 2016 11:05 AM  

@6. Faceless January 30, 2016 7:01 AM
"Amy Alkon's exactly right that everything these people create is designed to arrogate unearned power to life's losers so they can tear down the actual productive people."


Couldn't we just call it penis envy and be done?

Anonymous Man of the Atom January 30, 2016 11:08 AM  

... after all, what they want is a CoC.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 30, 2016 11:12 AM  

I weep for my retarded people, but I thank Mother Internet for bringing us Truth.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 30, 2016 11:16 AM  

Perhaps we could start inoculating high profile OSS projects by proposing adoption of the Contributor Covenant before the SJWs do, but making with the boot-on-face talk from the very beginning.

"Full-blooded Aryans of good stature are accepted by default for their inner virtue, but untermenschen must scourge their deficiencies with work. Heil Satan and Vox Day."

Blogger tz January 30, 2016 11:58 AM  

I think Matz might have written that and hope it would go away for a while, then adopt some non-thing.
Oops. The SJW harpies - who have just joined and have not even contributed a spelling correction - are insisting on the Typhoid Coraline version.
I hope some of the senior developers are informing Matz offline, like the Rhodes supporters, that they will fork and leave if anything so stupid is adopted, and Matz will have to spend hours each week policing, arbitrating, and trying to fix disputes instead of managing, coordinating and coding.

Better yet, someone come up with a Sharia Covenant - Female contributors must cover themselves. The men of the project can eject women by just saying "I divorce you". Four male witnesses will be required to substantiate any report of harassment, and a false accusation will result in cyber-stoning.

Blogger tz January 30, 2016 11:59 AM  

SJWs aren't introducing a solution to a problem, they are the problem.

Blogger tz January 30, 2016 12:05 PM  

As someone pointed out, the Japanese are always polite, even when they are cutting your throat.
This was an error many US Businesses made during the '80s (including a big oops when one of our side did a tour in Okinawa so was fluent in Japanese, so when they talked among themselves, the phrases that could be summarized as "stupid gaijin" were noted).
This was something like the current SJW attacks - we would confuse politeness for weakness, and expect handshakes to matter, and that they would respect us since that is how US businesses worked.

One can hope Matz while being polite is looking at his Samurai swords and considering at which vertebra the cut should go through.

He said there would be a Coc. He didn't say it wouldn't be the Digital third.

Blogger SciVo January 30, 2016 12:52 PM  

I stand by my original suggestion. Maybe people just couldn't picture it? Here's an illustration of how it would work:

Sensitivity Ombudsman: WAAAAAAH!

Midwitted Ugly Crass Hambeast: My feelz are realz!

Terse Objective Programmer: No, they're in your head.

Kind Empathetic Know-it-all: SO/MUCH, what TOP means is that we all agreed to at least pretend to be cis-het white men, so that we would all have the same level of privilege. That means you need to start acting like one, and as a cis-het white man, the only person in the world that cares about your feelings is your mother. She's not here, so you need to shut up, pull yourselves together and get back to work.

TOP: What KEK said.

Anonymous Scintan January 30, 2016 12:52 PM  

Dammit, these bastards just don't know when to quit, do they?

They've been winning for decades, and the wins have gotten bigger and bigger, while the defeats have mostly been later won upon re-engagement. Why would they stop now?

Blogger Ron January 30, 2016 12:54 PM  

OK, I think that photo of linus needs to be made into the entirety of a new COC.

Anonymous BGKB January 30, 2016 1:42 PM  

That said, I live on top of a giant mountain of privilege.

100,000+ years of evolution in an opposite direction of non Asian minorities.

CoC enforcement task should be carried out members of minority groups who will not violate the CoC

I guess that would count as a tech job for all those too stupid to be employable non Asian minorities in tech.

I would be interested in knowing if there is any chatter in places I do not visit around concerted action to subvert all OSS projects?

There is a reason Kevin DuJan is able to scoop stories of Chicago politics, he listens in at the gay bathhouses.

Anonymous Bz January 30, 2016 1:56 PM  

"open and welcoming to everyone, regardless of age, body size, disability, culture, ethnicity, gender, gender identity and expression, level of experience, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual orientation."

Political beliefs are conspicuously missing from that list. I wonder why? (Don't take this as a signal to start amending lists though. It's rotten from the core, throw it away.)

They have a great deal of chutzpah though: Disrupt a well-functioning community; introduce skeevy Code of Conduct to combat your own disruption; ensure that you get to enforce the code. Taken from the bolshevik manual of tactics, no doubt.

Blogger Matamoros January 30, 2016 2:07 PM  

Now the SJWs are going after Marvel because Perlmutter donated 1 mil to Vets through Donald.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/01/30/marvel-ceo-ike-perlmutter-blasted-1m-donation-trump-vet-fundraiser-salon-calls-boycott/

Blogger Respect Orcs Now January 30, 2016 2:40 PM  

If the community is so toxic, then f#ck off somewhere else. No one asked you and your thin skin to be here in the first place.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 30, 2016 2:47 PM  

@SciVo
I see wat you did there
Top kek.

Blogger praetorian January 30, 2016 3:12 PM  

I am watching such accounts with distrust.

Ah, the Japanese...

Blogger lorenzstransky January 30, 2016 3:46 PM  

A very powerful rebuttal was given by one of the contributors which I post here:

Updated by ph ph 5 days ago

Usaku NAKAMURA wrote:

I state my opinion as one of administrators of bugs.ruby-lang.org.
This is not a consensus of the administrators, merely my opinion.

Nakamura-san, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.
But to get a communication going with, you need to have
enough shared vocabulary, common values and understanding.

And the difference is striking here : whereas the proposer comes
and slams its insulting "code of conduct" onto us, you are
apologizing for expressing your legitimate opinion with precaution.

That is why we can only hope to aim at a shared understanding and
mutual respect by doing things, by coding Ruby.

And by sidestepping the byzantine discussions at once.

One could highlight how wrong it would be to ever take as a
point of reference for moral authority some modern ideology
produced in a decadent society with a tainted history.

Far from being universal, it could on the contrary only have been
produced now and there. That makes it totally unfit to be applied
worldwide and dismissive of the diversity of cultures.

This is obvious even to them as they like to highlight notion
which did not exist a few years back and that constitute their
pride

But ultimately, arguing this is itself a danger and a waste of time.
The only wise rule is to have the Ruby technical community care about
Ruby, and only about Ruby. This is the best environment to care for
everyone, and the best we can do.

We can only aim for understanding, not listen to false prophets of peace,
accept limitations, both ours and the one outside us, and as Plato - a more
trusty occidental reference.. - walk the walk.

Blogger lorenzstransky January 30, 2016 4:00 PM  

With reference to VD's observation that priority is with setting up a community to enforce the CoC rather than the CoC itself, Coraline has actually asked the question. https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/690334282607378432

Considering that they claim 13000 FLOSS projects already under the yolk of SJW oppression it is a natural extension. They need a Commissariat to manage it and a Commissar to lead it. One guess who it might be.

Anonymous Gad F January 30, 2016 4:12 PM  

Financial incentive from the Contributor Covenant Creator: https://www.patreon.com/coraline?ty=h

The Covenant creator updated the ruby thread with this nonsense

> It should be noted that the leaders of the Postgres project rejected the language in the proposed CoC and have decided to consult with professionals on developing an appropriate code of conduct for their community. In light of that I don't think that we should be considering their draft as a possibility. Details are here: http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/56A8516B.8000105@agliodbs.com

I'd also like to suggest reading over the latest version of the Contributor Covenant, v1.4, which I worked with critics on to address what some people saw as far-reaching aspects of the code. You can find it here: https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/blob/v1_4/version/latest/code_of_conduct.md

Thank you for your consideration,

-----------

Lied, appealed to authority. Shilled the Contributor Covenant again.

If the rewritten one that the person submitted was used, attribution would be demanded and victory would be declared.

Suffice to say, the desperation and neediness of this person to keep pitching the same recycled mess should be a red flag to anyone has half a brain.

It is about power, influence, and money. Diversity indeed.

Blogger Unknown January 30, 2016 7:10 PM  

@17 The problem is that they view this as preventative triggering maintenance. As if it would actually work. (I delineate between the useful idiots and the careerists who know better... I left any group, volunteer ones but at least two jobs too, because of the passive aggressive horseshit these CoC eggshell walking contests are.

Blogger Charlie Martel January 30, 2016 7:15 PM  

Oh, et suis Charlie... Martel. Above.

Blogger Charlie Martel January 30, 2016 7:26 PM  

12 steps and 12 traditions work for our meetings. But what do we know, we're drunks!



Blogger tz January 30, 2016 7:41 PM  

Can we get CoralineAda thrown out of the Code of Conduct project for trolling and disrupting lots of other projects. Fill a github issue every hour or so?

Anonymous Fred January 30, 2016 8:43 PM  

The entire IDEA of open-source is fatally flawed in the first place - it is the idea that communism can be applied to software development - a few people of outstanding ability should create software that they should GIVE AWAY for FREE to the rest of society because that society 'deserves' to pay absolutely nothing for the fruits of some of the most amazing minds ever placed on this planet.

IDIOTIC. And Truly Insane.

If you want my work, my effort, my SOUL you get to PAY, in BLOOD for my work. I don't see dentists or scientists or artists or any other professional who have promulgated such a warped, corrupt idea - other than in a very limited way to a very limited client base - free dental care for kids on the Rez for example, or pro bono work to poverty stricken seniors.

Quite frankly, as a life-long developer, I find it fascinating and truly fitting to watch OSS DESTROY itself utilizing the very same principles that brought it into existence in the first place.

I LOVE SJW's - they are doing God's work, destroying the weak and corrupt, slaughtering every last semi-functioning institution in their path. And when they've completely destroyed EVERYTHING they have touched, it will be like a cherry on the world's greatest sundae, to watch them turn on each other in a final orgy of death.

It's like a mini-version of the Russian Revolution - first you kill all the bourgeois then you get to kill each other. And OSS deserves every ounce of what they get.

Laughing my ass off.

Blogger tz January 30, 2016 8:59 PM  

@43 It isn't communism, it is what DeToqueville called "volunteer organizations" in Democracy in America. The pre-ghost Scrooge is not the model of virtue, but of avarice.

But what happened to the Voluntary Organizations is what is happening to OSS - SJWs - do-gooder progressives come in and change desire into a rule. Progressive socialists impose what was done by volunteers badly. The goals are no longer the good volunteers wanted.

OSS's original and proper code was that of merit and of the old story "stone soup".

SJWs are the opposite. They want to take things over to make it a slumber party or something.

Anonymous Fred January 30, 2016 9:55 PM  

Actually, the most apt metaphor for OSS programmers would be sluts.

Free sex was one of the primary destructors of marriage and the family - just like free software has been one of the primary destructors (along with unfettered H1B's) of the software field.

There is no competition with 'free'.

Sluts are voluntary-ists too. Doesn't mean they don't do fantastic damage along the way.

Every single one of those OSS projects was an opportunity that was destroyed for programmers to create something to build a company around, and to raise the overall well-being of EVERYONE in the field. Instead, the feckless open-source idiots gave it away for free and wiped out any chance of free enterprise for ANYONE who might have ever come up with a similar project (or anything close to it).

Every programmer on this planet would be better off, materially & spiritually, if OSS had never existed.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 30, 2016 10:05 PM  

@43 I don't really know much about OSS, but I HAVE watched with great schaudenfreude when open-borders libertarians complain that their groups have been infiltrated by SJWs who don't understand libertarian principles, and then they resort to demanding position statements before anybody is allowed to join. It's just... a thing of beauty to watch. I'll almost miss Facebook.

Anonymous Fred January 30, 2016 10:14 PM  

@46

Absolutely.

It's like the Schaudenfreude Worldwide Avalanche.

An Endless source of amusement.

Been waiting my whole life for all this - glad I am still around to see it all happen in real time.

Fourth Turning baby. LOL.

Blogger Banjo January 31, 2016 4:03 AM  

@Fred you're full of shit. Show us on the doll where an OSS project touched you.

No opportunity has been "destroyed". That's like claiming you want to open a book store but there's already three of them down the street and that's not FAIR.

If you think there's opportunity in the same space, become a SME and work as a consultant or integrator. Leverage it as a platform.

Or I guess just whinge about how you could have created nginx if only someone paid you to.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare January 31, 2016 5:36 AM  

So I googled it a couple different ways, and I couldn't find an answer: what is a "gun" in this context? A moderator who specializes in detecting and eliminating bullshit accounts/sockpuppets? I get the sense it's a person who enjoys punishing opportunistic SJW assholes...is that accurate, or am I laughably off base? Thanks in advance. :-)

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare January 31, 2016 5:43 AM  

That...was beautiful, mildly stilted english and all. Just beautiful.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 31, 2016 9:12 AM  

@48 Banjo:

Show us on the doll where an OSS project touched you.

Indeed.

It should be noted that software is a new thing on earth, and we simply don't yet know the best ways to create and maintain it. All three of Free, Open and proprietary have, to date, demonstrated serious problems. For example:

Open: Research UNIX -> BSD -> Mac OS X kernel (+Mach, at least how it started)

Free: Linux

Proprietary: Microsoft Windows

All useful, all with serious flaws like in the areas of security and robustness. Even the commercial success of Windows is more a matter of historical accident (the CP/M clone MS-DOS on the IBM-PC) than anything else.

Blogger Groot February 01, 2016 1:57 AM  

I will provisionally defend Fred on this one, with caveats. The establishment of property rights, yeah, even unto software products, has impelled humanity to its greatest heights. The difficult of establishing property rights in certain arenas, however, per Ronald Coase (Nobel 1991), leads to inefficiencies in dealing with negative and positive externalities (negative: pollution; positive: beautiful architecture). The new thing: when you sell hardware, you now don't own the hardware, but the customer does; when you sell software, you now still own the software, even though the customer also does. Hence the OSS phenomenon, residing comfortably within the capitalist credo. Whether FOSS is the answer to the conundrum or not, the conundrum does not dissipate.

Anonymous Anonymous February 01, 2016 10:07 AM  

Let's send out antibodies for this infection. Establish your own CoC with basic rules like "don't use racial epithets" but combine with poison pill clauses like "No Kangaroo Courts" and/or "No Social Media Shaming" ahead of time----no community member may use crowdstalking/twitter-shaming/trying-to-get-you-fired tactics on other community members, and also this nugget that prevents kangaroo courts: "Community members shall not attempt to litigate or investigate allegations of wrongdoing or criminal behavior in any other way than by immediately referring such claims to law enforcement authorities."

Then when you hear the snarky "the toxic community is proof for the need for the CoC" you can point to your CoC and say "oh you don't like the No Kangaroo Courts clause? hmmmmmm wonder why"

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