Wednesday, March 09, 2016

They say if you've got 2 QBs, you've got no QB

But I always took that for a metaphor, not a literal statement. Denver proves otherwise.
Brock Osweiler followed the money when he left Denver for Houston.

According to multiple reports, Osweiler’s contract with the Texans will pay him about $18 million a year. The Broncos were offering about $16 million a year.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Osweiler’s deal with the Texans is a four-year, $72 million contract, or an average of $18 million a year.

Troy Renck of the Denver Post reports that the Broncos’ offer was $16 million a year, with more than $30 million guaranteed.
It seems strange to take leave a Super Bowl champion over a 12.5 percent raise, but perhaps there were other factors involved. I wonder how long Peyton Manning will stay retired?



Blogger Josh March 09, 2016 9:10 PM  

Tebow time!

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 09, 2016 9:35 PM  

There went Connor Cook's home.

Welcome to the third round of the draft kid.

Blogger Lazarus March 09, 2016 9:38 PM  

Any way to snag Brady?

Blogger Lazarus March 09, 2016 9:42 PM  

He is only going to make 9 mil. this year with the Pats.

Blogger Billy March 09, 2016 9:43 PM  

I know it's business, but I guess there were hard feelings when they benched Osweiler towards the end of the season.

Blogger Lazarus March 09, 2016 9:52 PM  

they could have gone to 20 mil if they were serious

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 March 09, 2016 9:54 PM  

Makes perfect sense to me. Denver D won't be Denver D next year. SB hangover, they lost 2 of their front 7 already and Ware is old. If they paid Oz $16 million they would have been tight on cap giving them not a lot of room to shore up the holes on D or fix the o-line.

It was obvious that Oz was not on the same page as Thomas. Despite that, he was the better QB last year but got benched for the narrative.

Meanwhile, over in Houston, they got some nice offensive toys in Hopkins, Lamar Miller, and some decent role receivers. Plus the D is stout and the division is soft. Although Jags are looking to buy a SB team with their 190 million adjusted cap.

Blogger Dr. Brooklyn March 09, 2016 9:55 PM  

Now Denver will pick up Fitzpatrick from the Jets and then probably draft someone.

And watch the Jets move for Kaepernick for some reason.

Anonymous GreyS March 09, 2016 10:01 PM  

Hard to fathom any team paying Brock Osweiler $18 mil per year. Can't blame Denver for never really committing to him. Smart by Elway to play along until he signed elsewhere.

Texans HC O'Brien was supposed to be THE QB guru-- but he has failed to ignite any and all QBs they've run through there. Just another Brady-related overstated coaching rep.

Anonymous Bob March 09, 2016 10:12 PM  

Actually, If you've got 2 QBs ... You don't have 1.

Blogger Rambam March 09, 2016 10:17 PM  

Houston, where quarterbacks go to kill their careers.

Anonymous balrog666 March 09, 2016 10:17 PM  

Texas: no state income tax.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 March 09, 2016 10:18 PM  

@9 I honestly can't believe it. The 4-6 million value market was wiped out as if some east coast blizzard was about to befall the NFL. I know there is no wowza QBs in this draft, but is the pipeline really that bad?

Blogger White Devil March 09, 2016 10:23 PM  

Think Balrog nailed it. Unless it was the quality of their cheerleaders. Otherwise?

Did you ever have to make up your mind?
Pick up on one and leave the other one behind
It's not often easy, and not often kind
Did you ever have to make up your mind?

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent March 09, 2016 10:25 PM  

Never follow a legend. Oz experienced that for half a season, and it didn't end well for him (except for the ring). Now he gets to be his own man in Houston instead of being compared to Manning's 2015 noodle arm, which everyone knows was worse than his. Elway shouldn't have yanked him midseason if he wanted the guy to stick around. Not that surprising he left.

Blogger frenchy March 09, 2016 10:28 PM  

@ Balrog,

Colorado has some sh_tty gun laws, too. I mean, they're so bad Magpul got up and left.

Blogger YIH March 09, 2016 10:29 PM  

At least you got that out of the way - although with what's available as possible candidates...
Supposedly the Broncos are looking at RGIII plus Kaepernick has asked to be traded, which the Niners OK'd.
Of course, both come with plenty of baggage, I'm not convinced of RGIII's durability, plus coming to a defending Super Bowl champ he'd be under just as much pressure as he was as a Redskin. Kaepernick of course, is also a question mark and will also be under pressure to prove he take a team to the Super Bowl and actually win it. The linked article also suggests the Bucs Mike Glennon as a possibility but the problem is the Broncos might not have enough to afford him.

Blogger Anchorman March 09, 2016 10:30 PM  

May be a bit too perfect of a prediction, but...(I'm also not saying they did all of this in anticipation of Brock jumping ship)

Eagles inked Bradford to a two year deal.

Eagles also overpaid for a backup QB (Chase Daniels).

Current Eagles coach, Pederson, played starter while the Eagles groomed McNabb.

Eagles moved up to top ten pick with trade today with Dolphins.

Eagles get the QB they want on draft day and ship Bradford to Denver for next year's #1 or #2.

Bradofrd is happy because he moves to a SB team.

Denver is happy because they have a starter to manage the offense while that D gets another shot at winning a title.

Eagles are happy because they get a draft pick, get the QB to groom, and a capable backup QB to play for year or so until the draft pick is ready.

Anonymous 11B March 09, 2016 10:35 PM  

Osweiler is a 25 year old who has not distinguished himself in life let alone football. Yet he now will presumably have a net worth in excess of $30 million making him a ultra high-net-worth individual. Latest estimates for people with a liquid net worth of $30 million or more is about 200,000 individuals worldwide. That is 200K out a population in excess of 7 billion.

It's hard to believe Osweiler is going to be part of this exclusive club.

Blogger Zimri March 09, 2016 10:43 PM  

Denver in Super Bowl L proved it possible to win the championship with no QB. All it takes is to play against a team with a false QB.

Blogger Anchorman March 09, 2016 10:47 PM  

Denver in Super Bowl L proved it possible to win the championship with no QB. All it takes is to play against a team with a false QB.

I don't see it.

The Ravens won with Trent Frickin Dilfer. Seems like a great guy off the field, but he was at best mediocre.

Blogger bob k. mando March 09, 2016 11:09 PM  

Anchorman March 09, 2016 10:47 PM
The Ravens won with Trent Frickin Dilfer.

the Redskins won with Mark Rypien.

but that was a different era. the problem being, that Superb Owl L was was a throwback game.

Dilfer or Rypien would likely have beaten Denver ... simply because they wouldn't have started pouting.

balrog666 March 09, 2016 10:17 PM
Texas: no state income tax.


( Texas Income Tax == 0% )
( Colorado Income Tax == 4.63% of Federal Taxable Income )

16,000,000 x .0463 == 740,800

Josh March 09, 2016 9:10 PM
Tebow time!

cheapest starter they could sign, would give them plenty of cap space maneuverability to shore up what they're losing on the defense.


Blogger bob k. mando March 10, 2016 12:23 AM  

the link to BaseballSavant in the right sidebar gets redirected too

NoSleepTillFootball is actually at

Anonymous Jack Amok March 10, 2016 12:27 AM  

It seems strange to take leave a Super Bowl champion over a 12.5 percent raise,

Closer to 25% if you look at the guaranteed money. Which, if you're a marginal QB who will go down as one of the bad FA signing, you should pay a lot of attention to guaranteed dollars.

I think both teams were insane.

. Yet he now will presumably have a net worth in excess of $30 million

Cut that almost in half. He has to pay taxes and agents.

Blogger The Sasquatch March 10, 2016 12:30 AM  


Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2016 March 10, 2016 12:45 AM  

I feel a sorry for these guys. They have resign themselves to never being billionaires. Still, it's an honest living.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 10, 2016 12:47 AM  

"Texas: no state income tax."
'tis the away games that kicks in the bollocks .

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 10, 2016 12:54 AM  

14. White Devil,
Man, I'm gettin' old. I remember the Lovin' Spoonful, dammit.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 10, 2016 1:05 AM  

That offense is a jalopy, and Oz was going to get killed. No way it was hard feelings, unless you are talking about the fear of future hard feelings like concussions.

John Elway hates him some quarterbacks.

So...more money, better offense, low bar of expectations? I can see it. Denver was idiotic though, to think that no team would be as excessive as Houston. They probably should have matched it.

Manning has a long shadow, Elway has a longer one.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 10, 2016 1:11 AM  

Worse, this shows you how terrible college has become as a minor league for QB development. Even though the NFL has adapted QB play somewhat because of the spread O, it doesn't benefit from having so many training wheels QBs.

Bring back the XFL.

Anonymous Osprey March 10, 2016 1:25 AM  

@22, @27 -- The state (and local) income taxes are (mostly) based on where the pre-season and regular season games are played.

This year, Denver will play 9 or 10 games in Colorado @ 4.63%, 2 or 3 games in California @ 13.3%, 3 or 4 games @ 0%, and the remaining games in states with more typical tax rates. The average comes out to about 5.2%.

Whereas Houston will play 11-13 games @ 0%, 1 game at 1.62%, and the remaining games in states with more typical tax rates. The average (including the possibility of a pre-season game in California) comes out to about 2.4%.

This a difference of 2.8% (after-tax savings / pre-tax income).

In other words, the difference in state and local income taxes results in a 5% increase in after-tax pay for playing for Houston instead of for Denver.

Blogger weka March 10, 2016 1:32 AM  

Off topic,

Panty boy does not get it. We have left twitter to fall into a the radioactive swamp. It is sowed with uranium. The victory dance is not seen.

Anonymous Osprey March 10, 2016 1:39 AM  

@31 -- Oops. I forgot that state income taxes are deductible when calculating Federal Income taxes. The difference is more like 1.7% (after-tax savings / pre-tax income), or 2.9% (increase in after-tax income).

Blogger GreenBayMattters March 10, 2016 2:57 AM  

Bottom line: DeAndre Hopkins is now my #1 FF draft pick.

Blogger Bosefus March 10, 2016 3:08 AM  

Peyton can't afford to retire... negative interest rates and cash non grada will force him back next year.

Just show him the money.

Anonymous Dave March 10, 2016 3:21 AM  

Including Sam Bradford's latest deal with the Eagles, Bradford will have made $76 million in guaranteed money in seven NFL seasons.

Somebody calculated (before the most recent Eagle contract) that Sam has averaged $1.4 million per TD pass in his career. The Broncos can have him.

Blogger YIH March 10, 2016 3:59 AM  

The Sasquatch:
Probably not. The Browns, who have not yet waived him, are looking to get something for him even if it's just a late-round draft pick.
Even moar baggage, the NFL still may suspend him for that domestic violence charge, or if he returns to rehab (counts as the second positive drug test) either of which will be six regular season games out.
That's a bonus for the Browns, as it could give them an excuse to void his guaranteed salary to the tune of $2.173 mil and without and agent they'll probably suceed.

Blogger James Dixon March 10, 2016 4:55 AM  

> ...cheapest starter they could sign

I'm sure the Jets would be happy for them to take Geno Smith.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 10, 2016 6:23 AM  

I wonder how long Peyton Manning will stay retired?

I daresay he was paying close attention to Brett Favre's little dalliance.

Anonymous Anarchopurplism March 10, 2016 8:30 AM  

Denver didn't want to overpay, so be it. Houston isn't THAT bad a place to play. They were a playoff team & have some weapons at WR/RB.

That said, I think I'd want to play with a D that will still be Top 5 next year.

My bet is Fitzpatrick signing with Denver.

Anonymous Shut up Nate March 10, 2016 9:06 AM  

Elway and Kubiak completely botched this situation. It was clear that Osweiler was the better QB, yet they threw him under the bus because GOAT! (not really, Manning lovers.)

Now Denver can trade with Cleveland for the #2 pick. Carson Wentz will be relieved...until he finds out how bad Denver's OL is.

Anonymous BGKB March 10, 2016 9:54 AM  

Latest estimates for people with a liquid net worth of $30 million or more is about 200,000 individuals worldwide.

The good news is that over 1/2 of black millionaire athletes are broke 5 years after they stop playing. The sellers of diamond studded gold plated stripper poles are able to keep their money.

I feel a sorry for these guys. They have resign themselves to never being billionaires. Still, it's an honest living.

They have to pay someone to manage their steroids, A-Rod had a guy drawing blood from him for testing every day to make sure he would be on the high side of WNL of testosterone during possible test times.

Blogger robwbright March 10, 2016 10:08 AM  

The other reasons.

Blogger RobertT March 10, 2016 11:52 AM  

We already won the Super Bowl w/o a QB or an offensive line, we can do it again. Defense wins championships. Wade Phillips.

Anonymous WaterBoy March 10, 2016 12:14 PM  

The Sasquatch: "Manziel?"

A man with absolutely no self-control? In Denver, where pot is legal?

Like a kid in a candy store. No, a kid in Candyland.

Blogger Sean March 10, 2016 1:07 PM  

A coworker is friends with Oz and his wife. Whatever Denver is reporting to have offered isn't what they originally offered which apparently was really low.

Anonymous Hoss March 10, 2016 10:18 PM  

Plus, Colorado has 4.63% state income tax and Texas has none. That's a decent little savings.

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