"The big winners were the Rabid Puppies"
I always find it amusing how the media is always quick to point out that NK Jemisin is black, but they never seem to mention the fact that I am an American Indian. Perhaps I need to publicly exhibit more scalps. They also never get around to mentioning why I was criticizing the ignorant, half-savage Jemisin, which is because she is a) a low-IQ cretin, b) a liar, and, c) had repeatedly attacked me sans provocation or even knowledge of who she was.
He's not on our side, obviously, and yet it's a much better article than most. The only thing he really got wrong is the idea that I expected Chuck Tingle's nomination to outrage my critics. I don't give a quantum of a damn what my critics thought about it. Some things are worth doing simply because they are amusing.
I should also point out that I don't call myself "Supreme Dark Lord". That is merely how I am acknowledged by the Evil Legion of Evil, and, of course, the Vile Faceless Minions.
Meanwhile, George RR Martin completely fails to realize that he is already playing my game as he contemplates the 2016 Hugo Awards:
I desperately want to win Hugos. I don't care about the Hugos. I want to destroy the Hugos. It pains me to have to point out that they obviously can't all be correct.
Rabid Puppies leader Vox Day, a self-described libertarian, has criticized best-selling science fiction writer N.K. Jemisin, who is black, as an "ignorant half-savage," writing, "Unlike the white males she excoriates, there is no evidence to be found anywhere on the planet that a society of NK Jemisins is capable of building an advanced civilization, or even successfully maintaining one without significant external support from those white males."That being said, full props to Mr. Schaub, who did his research, provided a grammatically correct quote about Jemisin instead of a cherry-picked sentence fragment, and actually quoted the Bloggerblaster.
George R.R. Martin has criticized both the puppies' agenda and their aesthetic. “When the Hugo ballot came out last year, it was not just a right-wing ballot, it was a bad ballot,” he told the Guardian prior to Tuesday's finalist announcement.
The Rabid Puppies, the more extreme of the two groups, this year created a slate of potential nominees that they urged Hugo voters to nominate. Out of 81 recommendations on that slate, 64 ended up shortlisted.
Day, who calls himself "Supreme Dark Lord, Evil Legion of Evil," wasted no time in gloating. A news release sent by Day reads in part: "'I'm not even remotely surprised to learn that the Rabid Puppies did so well,' said Vox Day, as he mopped his brow with the flayed skin of an SJW after an arduous night of celebrating his fourth and fifth nominations."
He's not on our side, obviously, and yet it's a much better article than most. The only thing he really got wrong is the idea that I expected Chuck Tingle's nomination to outrage my critics. I don't give a quantum of a damn what my critics thought about it. Some things are worth doing simply because they are amusing.
I should also point out that I don't call myself "Supreme Dark Lord". That is merely how I am acknowledged by the Evil Legion of Evil, and, of course, the Vile Faceless Minions.
Meanwhile, George RR Martin completely fails to realize that he is already playing my game as he contemplates the 2016 Hugo Awards:
The big winners were the Rabid Puppies, whose choices completely dominated the list. The Rabids had nominees in every category, I believe, and in a few categories they had ALL the nominees.... The Rabids used a new tactic this year. They nominated legitimate, quality works in addition to the dross. Works by writers like Stephen King, Neil Gaiman, Neal Stephenson, Alastair Reynolds (Reynolds went public well before the nominations asking NOT to be slated, but they slated him anyway), Andy Weir, and several others. Some of these writers are apolitical (like Weir), while others are known to oppose everything that VD stands for (Gaiman, Stephenson, King). One has to think they were deliberately targeted.It's always amusing to see people like Rape Rape, who has no idea whatsoever about my motivations, my strategies, or my objectives, trying to declare what my victory conditions are, and how it is impossible for me to reach them.
In some of the online comments I've seen, these writers are being called "shields." I've even read some people calling for them to withdraw, simply because they were on VD's list.
Withdrawing is the LAST thing they should do.
I urge them all to stand their ground. They wrote good books, stories, graphic novels, they did NOT take part in any slate. In some cases they were largely unaware of all this. In other cases they explicitly denounced the slates ahead of time (Reynolds, again). Punishing them... demanding they turn down this honor... simply because VD listed them is insane.
Marko Kloos and Annie Bellet did the right thing by withdrawing last year. Their was an ethical and courageous act; I applauded them then and I applaud them now. But this is a different year and a different situation. Given the well-known political views of some of these writers, it seems plain to me that VD and the Rabids picked them deliberately, in hopes they would withdraw, or would be voted under No Award. They would probably have put Scalzi (VD's best bro) on the ballot too, but he outsmarted them and withdrew before they could.
I am rather hoping that several of them win. Based on quality alone, some deserve to. Sure, VD will claim that as a victory, but as last year proves, he claims everything as a victory. We'll know the truth. The only real victory for him would be having any of these fine writers pull out. Let's not play his game.
I desperately want to win Hugos. I don't care about the Hugos. I want to destroy the Hugos. It pains me to have to point out that they obviously can't all be correct.
Labels: Hugo Award, Puppies
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Your muse is certainly burning those midnight candles...
Let them assign whatever motivation they fancy. the end result will still be perplexing and amusing. Imagine Thulsa Doom leading his hoard to the Cimmerian village, only to stop in puzzlement to find that the villagers have already burned it, half of the villagers crying and comforting the other half that lie in the ground in puddles of blood from self-induced cuts and stabs. All look upon Doom and point and Screech....
You know...I'm going to stop writing. This is creeping even me out.
The Rabids used a new tactic this year. They nominated legitimate, quality works...
How fiendish! Who would have ever thought of doing that?
Well, in some alternate universe where the law of the excluded middle does not apply, they can all be correct.
GRRM
They nominated legitimate, quality works in addition to the dross.
...
Marko Kloos and Annie Bellet did the right thing by withdrawing last year. Their was an ethical and courageous act
yes, obviously. i mean, wouldn't ANYONE who had written "dross" be offended that their work had been nominated for an award?
seriously, the chutzpah of these puppies.
if anyone wonders about whether or not these people have any functional intelligence, one has only to look at Rape Rape's essay.
are you complimenting them or castigating the quality of their work, George?
VD
It pains me to have to point out that they obviously can't all be correct.
welcome to my world.
The Other Robot wrote:Well, in some alternate universe where the law of the excluded middle does not apply, they can all be correct.
Aha! It's no coincidence that they're spec-fic fans, and bizarre dishonest weirdos, and mentally unstable. Those all flow from the existential sadness of having been banned from their home dimension in which the law of the excluded middle does not apply, and also having not been banned but rather just accidentally stumbled through the barriers between worlds and who knows what their loved ones must think, and also not that but having purposefully fled their dying world which was under assault from invading ZFG shitlords.
I just looked up Chuck Tingle today.
He's written 43 books in the last 18 months or so, including a 35 pager on his Hugo nomiation four hours after it was announced. Surely that can't be just one guy...
Marko Kloos and Annie Bellet did the right thing by withdrawing last year. Their was an ethical and courageous act; I applauded them then and I applaud them now.
I suppose it takes courage to endure the inevitable pain that comes from all of the back-patting you know you're going to get.
"Marko Kloos and Annie Bellet did the right thing by withdrawing last year."
"Withdrawing is the LAST thing they should do.
I urge them all to stand their ground"
smh
Another example of "trusting the experts" probably leading to being lead astray (vis-a-vis recent blog posts about "science" being used as a buzzword and substitute for thinking)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/04/fbi_s_flawed_forensics_expert_testimony_hair_analysis_bite_marks_fingerprints.html
Every mainstream media story about the Hugo Awards always begins by describing the Hugo Awards as the most prestigious prize in SF/F.
They don't often follow that by noting that the most prestigious prize in SF/F is determined by voters with such rigid qualifications as 1) Do you have $40? 2) Can you type even if you have flippers for hands?
Rarely mentioned is that the most prestigious prize in SF/F was determined by a record-setting 4,000 people. According to File770, as recently as 2009 ( another record-setting year), it was determined by 800 people.
The story isn't about GamerGate in the Hugos, or racism, or trolling. The real story is that true SF/F fans are so beflippered that they cannot type, and therefore the most prestigious prize in SF/F is determined by a mere handful of voters with finger-hands.
It pains me to have to point out that they obviously can't all be correct.
And there is where you make your bloomer: in the mind of a female or SJW... They can.
Call it the rational actor fallacy.
By distracting Rape ^2 w the Hugo's, 12 Westeros civilians were not raped. Yet.
Rape Rape didn't take the time to notice that McRapey was too busy spending his advance on heroin and new dresses to actually get a book out last year.
@The Other Robot
"Well, in some alternate universe where the law of the excluded middle does not apply, they can all be correct."
Schroedinger's Chicken Entrail Readings?
@11 And there is where you make your bloomer: in the mind of a FEMALE [ emphasis added ] or SJW... They can.
Are you writing here that Mrs. Wright: Jagi Lamplighter, how is the kind of mind that believes mutually contradictory nonsense?
And this is where you fail. Because your ability to make rational and in fact useful categorical distinctions is a Marxist /progressive fail. They cannot tell the difference between adult stem cell research (an unqualified good) and destructive fetal stem cell research (a moral catastrophe and a scientific dead-end.)
We distinguish between people who have a moral duty to preserve the natural environment that God gave us: we call them conservatives; the Marxist ignoramus who worship Gaia, we call environmentalists.
We have a word for female persons who cannot reason : no, who will not reason. It's "feminist."
Gah. Back to the settings menu. Too many typos that change meaning to ignore.
--> Jagi is the kind of mind
--> Because your inability to make
--> we call them conservationists.
might dispiace
I agree. The LA Times article, despite having only three readers (maybe a slight exaggeration?), is pretty fair, in spite of the obvious bias against us.
Rape Rape must've written his diatribe before his morning Doritos binge.
We're talking about the Hugos, Overgrown Hobbit.
Resist we much! Oh please, make it stop. My stomach hurts from laughing at all the buttache.
"And so once again, the course is clear: we must resist. With every tool we have, we must resist. The highest priority, of course, is passing E Pluribus Hugo, the repaired nomination system that will serve to prevent this from happening again. Also important is No Awarding."
http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/2016-hugo-nominations-reaction/
@13
Good eye.
SJWs are chickens with their heads cut off in this scenario, failing to understand the most basic aspects of Vox's decision. And then making one tactical blunder after another.
And while I respect's Vox's tactics, his approach here is relatively straightforward.
Imagine if the SJWs were confronted with a truly complex and multi-pronged counteroffensive?
While we're here: but they never seem to mention the fact that I am an American Indian
This never gets old. Tell us more.
Did Mr. Martin just call my work dross?
An odd lapse of judgment on his part, since he bought at least some of that dross for his own anthology, when he placed 'Guyal the Curator' in the prestigious and well received Jack Vance tribute anthology SONGS OF THE DYING EARTH, where he was one of the editors.
At least, his name is on the cover. He wrote a post now denying that he read my story, which is a statement that calls his honesty into question whether it is true or false.
A sad case! And to think I once admired him. Why can't he shut his trap, stop saying such hurtful and absurd things, and write his bloody books? I am rooting for Jon Snow as next king.
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Dross? Pick the Dorito out of thy own beard first, Gorge.
This looks like a successfully executed Xanatos to me (or the latest in a chain of them). I recognized a few of the moves as they were being played, but from where does the confidence come to assume unknown factors won't derail the whole thing or have it backfire on you? (Or could it be that "we don't care" is one of the keys to a good Xanatos?)
@22. Mr Wright, GRRM considers anything that may be tainted by Christianity, conservatism, the ilk, decency, or either your spouse or our host as dross.
The correct response is to ask him whom his editor is, (his last books need one) and when his next book is out (well overdue). Professionals deliver. Amateurs pout.
GRRM: "They would probably have put Scalzi (VD's best bro) on the ballot too, but he outsmarted them and withdrew before they could."
Hee hee hee! Sure, that's one way to spin it. The Tor Masterplan proceeds apace.
Fuck's sake - now Winds of Winter will be delayed by another 6 months while Garge fucking jerks off on his blog
I'm sure it doesn't pain you too badly to point out their contradictions.
I'm sure it doesn't pain you too badly to point out their contradictions.
You underestimate my intolerance for stupidity. I prefer competence even among my enemies.
Much less fun to have an irrational emo than a dedicated kamikaze. It is like having lemmings for an enemy.
At least GRRM is finally telling the truth about what he thinks of Toni Weisskopf. Last year it was all denials that it was an indictment of her and she was only No-awarded because of the slates. This year all the sudden last years nominees were crap and deserved the no award. This year there is some quality (i.e. in crowd) so we shouldn't no-award them.
Besides, N.K. self-identifies as fully savage. Who is the Times to deny her identity?
@32 Indeed, considering NK's vile contempt for whites and Western civilization, and constant championing of African tribes in her books and speeches, denying her that moniker is shameless bigotry by The Times!
"You underestimate my intolerance for stupidity. I prefer competence even among my enemies."
We were talking about this at the house yesterday. It seems like we're surrounded by more and more fools every day.
Given the well-known political views of some of these writers, it seems plain to me that VD and the Rabids picked them deliberately, in hopes they would withdraw, or would be voted under No Award.
Called it wrong, George. Called it wrong. Not really a surprise there. SJWs always project.
They would probably have put Scalzi (VD's best bro) on the ballot too,
Sorry, George but wrong again. We only nominated QUALITY works.
but he outsmarted them and withdrew before they could.
Ha! Ha! Ha! (*wheez...gasp...wheez*) Ha! Ha! Ha!
Brilliant plan McRapey! Submit a manuscript that's so fucking terrible even PNH has to bounce it after having given you a Robert Jordan sized advance.
And because of that, Patrick now looks like an old fool who is loosing his touch when least he needed to be seen as that, (you were supposed to be his reliable hack, Scalzi).
But the important thing is, you sure showed us!
I bow in humility before your strategic genius!
@6: "Surely that can't be just one guy..."
@26: "Professionals deliver. Amateurs pout."
@VD: "It pains me to have to point out that they obviously can't all be correct."
If you continue your cunning plan of telling them exactly what you're up to and why, they'll never figure it out.
@33 So she is moving to Africa when...
What's really revealing is all the homophobic bigotry. They don't oppose sentient dinosaurs - as long as "he" is marrying a woman it's one of the greatest stories ever. But make the dinosaur gay and suddenly there's one hundred insiduous reasons that the story is on the short list. Couldn't possibly stand on it's own merit, could it?!?
I hope the media is watching and that Apple will shut down an stores in states where anti-puppies live.
23. John Wright April 28, 2016 4:27 AM
Did Mr. Martin just call my work dross?
Rape Rape just called a LOT of people's work "dross".
since the Puppies supposedly recommended *no* works of quality last year, the dross includes those authors who voluntarily dropped out ( even though they should stay this year ) as well as those classless hacks who kept their work in competition.
that's okay, John.
you'll always be estimable to us.
*fistbump*
38. Alexander April 28, 2016 8:54 AM
But make the dinosaur gay and suddenly there's one hundred insiduous reasons that the story is on the short list.
how do you know the dinosaur is gay? female birds and reptiles also have cloaca.
this means there is a 50 / 50 chance that this book just turned Chuck Tingle Straight.
Hey guys, what would you say is the best summary of the Hugo situation for someone who hasn't been following it - on this blog or elsewhere? I don't want to reinvent the wheel every time a friend asks what the heck is going on with the Science Fiction awards.
@41 We're dethroning the SJWs from controlling the Hugo Awards.
Oh no, RR has us figured out! What do we do now?
And Scalzi couldn't outsmart a sandwich.
how do you know the dinosaur is gay? female birds and reptiles also have cloaca.
Snakes have forked hemipenis along with some reptiles.
[b]They nominated legitimate, quality works in addition to the dross. [/b]
"the dross" being the crap nominated by SJW's. He's so close to getting it.
@John C. Wright
A sad case! And to think I once admired him. Why can't he shut his trap, stop saying such hurtful and absurd things, and write his bloody books? I am rooting for Jon Snow as next king.
He is waiting for the TV show at this point.
And I'm not really kidding.
He's an explorer and he is tired of the exploration. I get that, I honestly do. His last book proved that he was bored to tears and uninspired by his own characters. Dances with Dragons was fan fiction. He is exploring side characters to try and get his motor running again.
As for Jon Snow being the next king. I have some doubts there as well. In the first draft outline he submitted it was to be Jon and Arya who were supposed to be torn by their deeply forbidden love for each other. Which would have Jon and Arya the only people in all of Westeros that didn't immediately commit incest the moment they thought of it. So that "romance" may yet be in the cards. So who marries Dani, then?
Since this is roughly based on the War of the Roses, I suspect Tyrion is the better candidate to marry Khalessi-Sue and become the next king a la Richard III. And then have Richard win at his version of Bosworth Field, with much weeping wailing over the body Jon Snow.
Regardless. For my money, the entire SoIaF series is nowhere near as good as Poul Anderson's the Broken Sword. And that only took two hundred pages.
Bob Loblaw wrote:He's written 43 books in the last 18 months or so, including a 35 pager on his Hugo nomiation four hours after it was announced. Surely that can't be just one guy...
Authors are notified of their nominations before the announcements.
rho wrote:The story isn't about GamerGate in the Hugos, or racism, or trolling. The real story is that true SF/F fans are so beflippered that they cannot type, and therefore the most prestigious prize in SF/F is determined by a mere handful of voters with finger-hands.
Good comment, rho.
Markku, where did your comment go? While I was hoping for a link to something already written, I was just about to share yours.
Hey guys, what would you say is the best summary of the Hugo situation for someone who hasn't been following it - on this blog or elsewhere?
Read SJWAL. It's all in there in the relevant chapter.
Good point. I was hoping someone would have summed it up nicely on a blog by now, but I suppose that's a bit much to expect given the unwillingness/incapacity of the media to accurately report the facts.
"Brilliant plan McRapey! Submit a manuscript that's so fucking terrible even PNH has to bounce it after having given you a Robert Jordan sized advance."
The Chinless Wonder has been showing classic signs of depression. His twitter posts are increasingly about how his brain isn't up to speed on a particular day; he's often distracted by mundane activities (taking photos of cats and sunsets, or anything that keeps him away from a blank Word document); and he goes on and on about the vast amounts of fattening and unhealthy food he's shoving into his rapidly aging, bloated body. I think he knows his middling talent can't make good on his big Tor contract and his failure will be playing out very publicly over the next few years.
Markku, where did your comment go?
We decided that it's more fun, the less the enemy understands the Puppies.
They already provided excellent comedy last year with certain wild theories (did you know we are Norwegian Neo-Nazis, according to last year's Puppykickers?).
Markku wrote:We decided that it's more fun, the less the enemy understands the Puppies.
So? They've already proven that you can tell them what you're going to do and how, and they still can't figure it out.
But when they don't actually know ANYTHING, you get Norwegian Neo-Nazis.
54. Markku April 28, 2016 10:56 AM
They already provided excellent comedy last year with certain wild theories (did you know we are Norwegian Neo-Nazis, according to last year's Puppykickers?).
you sure they didn't lift that idea from me?
i made a comment here that it would be hilarious if the plans of the TruFen were destroyed by the actions of the True Finns.
the question is whether their accusations came before or after i said that.
you sure they didn't lift that idea from me?
I don't know the sequence of the events, but they indeed started from True Finns. And then they made a few hilarious leaps and ended up in Castalia House being owned by Norwegian Neo-Nazis who are allied to True Finns.
Perhaps this year, the Puppies will be Donald Trump's secret plot to become president.
We can only hope.
We decided that it's more fun, the less the enemy understands the Puppies.
Hah! Can't disagree with that. Anyone who truly cares can learn where to look.
So, "Awake in the Night Land" is "bad"? Did GRRM even read any of the stories from that book? Shall we look at the Amazon rating with 100+ reviews? Will GRRM and his followers claim that some of those reviews originated from puppet accounts or something? For, they can easily check the profiles of their authors and see for how long they have been posting reviews on Amazon. Shall we ignore Goodreads rating and reviews, some of 4+ stars ones written by people that even expressed dislike for JCW's views while still praising the work itself in their reviews? Shall we look at the praise from Hodgson fans from weird fiction communities, some of them liberals and far end nihilists that subscribe to or even proselytize same philosophy as the likes of Thomas Ligotti, which is as far as you get from JCW's own views? And finally, shall we who have read and re-read that book ignore our own thoughts and feelings?
Because, if GRRM said that it is bad, then it must be bad!
"I desperately want to win Hugos." -Vox Day
What a quotable quote!
The article also declines to mention that Milo is gay.
We decided that it's more fun, the less the enemy understands the Puppies.
I spent a good chunk of the morning reading the trufens bloviating on the Hugo noms. Conclusions:
(1) The desperately want to misunderstand us.
(2) Whatever GRRM & Co. says, they are going to Noah Ward everything non-SJW.
(3) They are going to ensure Jemisin gets Best Novel cos it’ll make Vox’s head explode (none of them seems to have read it).
(4) Many of them x-link (perhaps they all read File770).
(5) They continue to lie about Larry, Brad and the Sads.
(6) Moira/Rape Room is kryptonite.
Well VD, you were outsmarted by Scalzi see?
I bet that really hurt you deeply.
How will you ever recover?
@65,
They're that oblivious to the consequences of No Awarding two works on Worldcon and convention fandom's pedophilia problem? The Hugos' postmortem will read "self-immolation"...
At this point I think there must be a question on the Worldcon registration form: "Do you support pedophilia? Y/N". All answers of no are propmtly rejected.
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What got to me most last year is you literally TOLD THEM how to defeat you, knowing they would never be able to execute any plan that included "{shut up and act like adults".
This year you're not doing them thagt favor, and that's almost as good. I can see the correct moves, most here can, but they seem determined to execute exactly the wrong ones, while declaring themselves not only morally, but intellectually and creatively superior.
Once again, "act like an adult" is not on the menu they're choosing from.
The inevitable eclipse of the Hugos by Dragoncon awards is so obvious that a friend who does not read SF and had never heard of Gamergate or the Puppies immediately recognized what is going to happen and how the SJW's are bringing it on themselves after reading a few posts on this blog.
Yet the SJW's are looking at their new cooked voting system and not recognizing the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming express train....
58. Markku April 28, 2016 11:12 AM
but they indeed started from True Finns. And then they made a few hilarious leaps and ended up in Castalia House being owned by Norwegian Neo-Nazis who are allied to True Finns.
well, you know how it goes.
all you Scandinavians look alike to Brother America. satwcomic.com
couple that with SJWs being a GO ( Garbage Out, it doesn't matter what you feed in ) machine and the results were pretty much assured.
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