Still not a conservative
You have to admit, despite a few changes here and there, I've generally been consistent through the years. And I did correctly call the subsumption of the term "conservative" more than a decade ago, for whatever that's worth.
September 30, 2010
I am not a conservative. I am a Christian libertarian technodemocrat. But if this is what is actually supposed to pass for conservative opinion leadership at a leading conservative publication, it's no wonder that the Tea Partiers are abandoning both the Republican Party and the conservative media:
September 24, 2007
Because I'm not a conservative, I don't fit what the conservative media are selling, so they stick to their tried-and-true formulas even though my columns repeatedly prove more popular than the usual grist for the mill.
April 12, 2006
I am not a conservative and have not been for many years, but I don't think anyone, on the Right or Left, would deny that I am a hard-core right winger.
February 23, 2005
One would think that the mere fact that The New Republic supports the Bush administration so strongly would give conservatives pause. But the word "liberal" was claimed by the Left two generations ago and I think we have witnessed the word "conservative" being subsumed by it as well.
September 30, 2010
I am not a conservative. I am a Christian libertarian technodemocrat. But if this is what is actually supposed to pass for conservative opinion leadership at a leading conservative publication, it's no wonder that the Tea Partiers are abandoning both the Republican Party and the conservative media:
September 24, 2007
Because I'm not a conservative, I don't fit what the conservative media are selling, so they stick to their tried-and-true formulas even though my columns repeatedly prove more popular than the usual grist for the mill.
April 12, 2006
I am not a conservative and have not been for many years, but I don't think anyone, on the Right or Left, would deny that I am a hard-core right winger.
February 23, 2005
One would think that the mere fact that The New Republic supports the Bush administration so strongly would give conservatives pause. But the word "liberal" was claimed by the Left two generations ago and I think we have witnessed the word "conservative" being subsumed by it as well.
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70 Comments:
So your a consistent conservative then, right?
I've called myself "right wing populist" from circa 2007 onward. In the 1990s, my superego professed alignment with the GOP while the id was a dark whirlpool that made the ego slightly nervous.
PA
People in the 70s thought me to me far right wing.
The term is like wearing a t-shirt with "hit me" written on the back. It's like saying, I am a member of a group that has failed more spectacularly than any other.
It is a dead horse. That dog don't hunt.
Woody Allen did some half good stuff. One was a film about time travelers debating which period to get nostalgic/ romantic about. Everyone romanticized the time a bit before they were born. And all were 'half right'. The good old days were and weren't.
If you want to conserve reach for a time that's never existed. Pick bits from every bit of history. Hope to reshape/ replant Eden without a snake. Get intellectual about eternal ephemerals. The right stuff of every generation. The "Je ne sais pas" a photographer might be able to get a hold of one moment, a poet the next, a builder the day later. Hope is restoration and every generation had a bit of the jigsaw, a glimmer, an insight or three.
If Jesus hadn't meant you can move mountains, He wouldn't have said it.
Nah, I am a traditionalist. We went wrong about the time we placed reason above revelation.
The heart is wicked, and our rationalizations are lies.
I don't think most people are aware of the fact that you can be right wing without being a conservative.
Sean, never go full pedant.
I'm an Anti-Federalist like Patrick Henry.
If you look at what passes for conservative men these days in physical looks, gimp city. Who wants to be tagged with that?
So will you create a flag that is red, white, and brown? In proper proportions, of course.
Technodemocrat? ... I'll leave this for others.
I never held any political description. The closest thing to how I lived mostly would be Spooner's essay on Natural Law. I recognise however, the sad necessity of having to get some sort of group coherence going to safeguard the west.
They call us neoreactionaries, we call us neoreactionaries, reactionary is by definition* exactly what we are.
This one walks like a duck.
*Quote from Wikipedia: "A reactionary is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante, the previous political state of society, which they believe possessed characteristics (discipline, respect for authority, etc.) that are negatively absent from the contemporary status quo of a society. As an adjective, the word reactionary describes points of view and policies meant to restore the status quo ante."
I am not a conservative. I am a Christian libertarian technodemocrat.
TECHNO JIHAD!
"So will you create a flag that is red, white, and brown?"
Will it say Fruit of the Loom?
Solomon was no sooner dead, the Kingdom had peaked, when his grandchildren said, that was 'oppression'. All his revelation couldn't outlast him by a single generation.
The illuminati seem to think they can be the phoenix rising every time.
Solomon's conclusion was "do what God tells you to do". His father's forgotten summary was, "You, LORD, put it in me to say Amen to what You have told me You would do". David was right, Solomon half right, the next generation a total mess. David couldn't build it, the half right son could, but then couldn't keep it, the next destroyed so much, wasted what they had.
In conclusion. Take the best bits of all History. It was Jesus. Is Him. Go for the eternal bit.
I liked the term paleoconservative for awhile. However these days Alt-Right Meninist Nationalist is how I would describe myself. Rolls right off the tongue
Back in the '90s, as a Buchannann activist, I called myself a Paleo. No-one knows what I mean by that any more. I don't believe in conserving any part of the current system, except gnus. Everything else has failed.
Anti-Feminist? definitely
Tribal, again definitely. Everyone is Tribal. Lefties just think they can use artificial tribes. The jury is still out on that.
Nationalist? Can I get a maybe? In so far as "Nation" means "a collection of Tribes of shared culture". Not in so far as "Nation" means what we now have.
Reactionary? You betcha.
Somebody here suggested Restorationist. Kinda depends on what you want to restore.
So far the best fit has been Traditionalist.
And guns. I like gnus, of course, who doesn't want to conserve gnus? But I also want to conserve my gun rights.
I need to look and see if we have a jar of gnu conserves.
It never ceases to give me the palm to face when labeling VD a Cons or Cuck, he stated he is not throughout the years by exposing its logical fallacies (hypocrisy and predictive programming media narratives) and merely being his usual rational, consistent, doesn't betray others self via his outlet or his forum Vox Day.
Really critics, its old, move on, the man wrote Cucks for a reason. https://www.amazon.com/Cuckservative-How-Conservatives-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B018ZHHA52/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1462476678&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=cuck+vox+day
Given that nearly 100% of Americans from the Founding up to President Eisenhower would agree with me on nearly all major political, social, and cultural issues, I'm still wondering how they got to own "American" let alone "Conservative."
@14 Fruit of the looming disaster
Is Fred drifting Alt-right?
Its us or them
Alt-right is all-wrong. But the Trump party will still take you in, Ryan, McConnell, warts and all.
Snidely Whiplash, gnu rights conservative.
Battle gnus get you out of a jam every time. Regular gnus make delicious jam.
Gnu control is spellcheck tyranny.
When my students ask me what I am, I say I'm a Theocratic anarchist. Not sure if such a thing is possible, but it sums up my ideal form of government.
G-S. wrote:Alt-right is all-wrong. But the Trump party will still take you in, Ryan, McConnell, warts and all.
Wait a minute....
You're an idiot.
Mr. Naron wrote:When my students ask me what I am, I say I'm a Theocratic anarchist. Not sure if such a thing is possible, but it sums up my ideal form of government.
Have you considered Christian Nihilist? I have.
I always considered myself to be a classical liberal, in the 19th century sense. Lassiez-faire, Adam Smith, etc. But I would call myself a conservative, simply to communicate efficiently where I stood. I was with the broad political coalition of folks who called themselves conservatives, as opposed to the statists.
When we got to this presidential primary season things got ridiculous with all this back and forth over who is a "true conservative." That's an utterly pointless argument to make, as demonstrated amptly here on many occasions. John Wright defined for me here on these pages what he thought a true conservative was, and he alone among all men is the only one I found who came up with a satisfactory answer as to what a true conservative even is.
But even so, John's answer was unique and foreign to what any movement conservative out there was saying.
It appears to me that conservativism today has three parts. Constitutional originalism, aggressive free trade policies, and interventionist foreign policy. And sadly, the best part of all that, the constitutional originalism, always loses out badly in practice. Conservatives today opine the continual weakening of our Constitution, yet do things like vote for Corker-Cardin or Obamatrade and hand Barack Obama a blank check for what should have been his lame duck days.
So, conservatives are dangerous. They are a part of our problems. They cannot be depended on to effectively fight the statists. The interests of big business and foreign adventures are really what drives the show. All the other other stuff is mere platform plank trinkets to appease a coalition, and little else.
In the end conservatives couldn't even conserve gender specific bathrooms.
"Right Winger" certainly implies an offensives stance as apposed to the slowly giving of ground that conservatism has shown.
Hilarious how conservatives all agree that Trump was racist for implying that a judge of Mexican heritage wouldn't treat him impartially.
Conservatives reliably turn the gun on their own.
At some point conservatives forgot to stop being like a gang- that beats people up, expels people, racketeers, patronizes eachother, and so on, like everyone else that is not conservative does.
At this point i'm going to have to go with Observant Survivor.
Alt-right is all-wrong. But the Trump party will still take you in, Ryan, McConnell, warts and all.
@23 G.-S.
Unless you piss off the Trump Party. Then you get primaried.
American Ultra-Nationalist. Has a rather nice "fuck you" ring to it that pisses off (on?) all the right people. I like that.
Speaking of Fat Bastard Kevin Williamson prime conservative hunk of manliness.
What in the hell is wrong with them?
Neoreaction is a rejection of equality and Whiggism. The Revolution and the Constitution itself, or maybe low church Protestantism in the colonies (puritans), is a problem. I'm not convinced of where it all went wrong, but obviously there were design flaws exposed by John Adams presidency, and certainly by 1819 when Missouri entering the union would tip the balance.
I think Vox pointed out that the battle of this generation is Nationalist against Globalist. The migrant masses are the shock armies of globalism, the SJW's are its temporarily useful idiots.
Liberal and Conservative become at best pointless terms and at worst terms of obfuscation. Besides, once you reject Absolute Monarchy, you have pretty much embarked on the liberal path anyway.
If the Nationalists are of the Right, then Globalists are of the Left. Thus Globalist Capitalism is revealed to be the twin sister, if with better make up, of the Communist International.
17. Snidely Whiplash June 09, 2016 9:25 PM
I don't believe in conserving any part of the current system, except gnus.
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i've always preferred the Constitutional right to keep and arm bears but ... the opportunity to keep and arm gnus is growing on me. i picture vast herd of gnus, gamboling across the Serengeti.
with fricking lasers on their heads.
that's right, you heard me, laser guided gnus.
28. rubberducky June 09, 2016 10:10 PM
But even so, John's answer was unique and foreign to what any movement conservative out there was saying.
exactly so, it's foreign to what everyone else is doing and saying. John has many high falutin and lofty ideals in *his* conceptualization of 'Conservative'. the problem being, of course, that his definition doesn't actually apply to hardly any Repukelicans in Congress.
which, by definition, means that his definition is wholly idiosyncratic and has no general applicability.
as an aspirational goal(s), we can debate whether we want to go that way. but that is NOT what any rational observer would conclude that 'Conservatism' is *today*.
28. rubberducky June 09, 2016 10:10 PM
It appears to me that conservativism today has three parts. Constitutional originalism, aggressive free trade policies, and interventionist foreign policy.
Lincoln, the first Republican president, was in favor of high tariffs. as was most of the rest of the populous North, as that was how they raped the sparsely populated South into funding the lion's share of the Federal government.
hmmm, voting money out of other people's pockets, where have i seen that before?
so, modern 'conservatism' has already progressed beyond one ( at a minimum ) of the founding principles of the Republican party.
Besides, once you reject Absolute Monarchy, you have pretty much embarked on the liberal path anyway.
King Donald I. von Trumpf. Let's do it.
Mr.MantraMan wrote:Speaking of Fat Bastard Kevin Williamson prime conservative hunk of manliness.
What in the hell is wrong with them?
Williamson rose out of deep poverty. He hates his parents, he hates their class, he hates anything that reminds him of the town he grew up in, he hates anything that reminds him of his school days, het hates you and me, deeply, personally, inexorably.
He would take poison to retain his membership in the New Class.
First I called myself a "classical liberal". Pissed off all the right people. The like minded knew pretty much exactly where I stood. Also, had the belief that we should bomb, invade, take over, obliterate the population, control the area and extract resources from certain countries with no apologies.
Then I called myself a conservative. Sometimes a constitutional conservative. Also, had the belief that we should bomb, invade, take over, obliterate the population, control the area and extract resources from certain countries with no apologies. A lot of conservatives have flirted with that belief thanks to the influence of the Neocohens, but they would rather not.
Now, I say I am a Nationalist. If I'm trying to clue in someone on the fence, an Alt-Right Nationalist. Also, have the belief that we should bomb, invade, take over, obliterate the population, control the area and extract resources from certain countries with no apologies.
I've been consistent for decades. The main difference is I now recognize the supreme question of our time, Globalism versus Nationalism. Also, genetic differences are now acknowledged, the JQ is recognized and seen, and any vestiges of the false speaking lie god religion of Equality snuffed out.
On the personal, I now know God is real. That throws a whole new light on everything! I became a Nationalist after. Globalism with it's Whore of Babylon wares of multiculturalism, diversity, everybody speaking different languages, open borders and PC lies sold by (((The Merchants))), all run on the agenda of a frequent flyer has been discerned to be against my good interest.
Of course you are not conservative Vox. That is reserved for the people flooding over the southern border. Pretty soon the conservatives should be in charge. Then the Democrats are doomed, just like in California.
Hilarious how conservatives all agree that Trump was racist for implying that a judge of Mexican heritage wouldn't treat him impartially.
The issue was the fact //[Gonzalo P. Curiel]\\ was a member of a La Raza type organization. Pick one: American or not. I also notice we had to protect him from cartel violence. Once again, the US still cleaning up Mexico's bullshit.
Gnus from Canada : Supreme Court declares that bestiality is legal. You can do with your gnu whatever you want. Guns, however, are still considered anti-social.
You can do with your gnu whatever you want. Guns, however, are still considered anti-social.
Make love not war, man. Even at the zoo.
*peace sign* That is now horns as well. It's not just a human thing.
24. VFM #6306:
"Snidely Whiplash, gnu rights conservative."
@38. bob k. mando
"i've always preferred the Constitutional right to keep and arm bears but ... the opportunity to keep and arm gnus is growing on me. i picture vast herd of gnus, gamboling across the Serengeti. with fricking lasers on their heads. that's right, you heard me, laser guided gnus."
No gnus is good news, but these gnus is best gnus. OK, I'm tipsy, but this is fricking hilarious. John Wright, make it so. bob k. mando, I bequeath unto you a capitalization get-out-of-jail card, gratis. You're pretty cool, dude. I mean, shut up, Daisy. Ha!
OT, but holy carp!!! Asset seizures in Oklahoma
Jim stone goes in on the full ramifications. It's not just cash and prepaid cards, that ERAD (Electronic Recovery and Access to Data machine) can be used on your bank and credit cards. If your bank cards are tied in to your mortgage or any other assets, they can drain them out to the full value and leave you with the debts.
Read the rest here (scroll down a bit)
Jim Stone dot is
And I was SO going to Oklahoma. You know because... wait... the people... err... the food... err... the scenery err...
Nevermind.
Neoreaction is a rejection of equality and Whiggism. The Revolution and the Constitution itself, or maybe low church Protestantism in the colonies (puritans), is a problem. I'm not convinced of where it all went wrong, but obviously there were design flaws exposed by John Adams presidency, and certainly by 1819 when Missouri entering the union would tip the balance.
The Whigs were the progressives of the enlightenment. The other side were Royalists. The compromise in the Holy Roman Empire was cuis regio cuis religio : the church follows the beliefs of the king or prince. This led in part to the 100 years war because if you deposed or converted the prince you got the church to go Lutheran or Roman (to use the modern terms).
At Westphalia there was a new compromise. People could Roman in a Lutheran kingdom, and vice versa. This allowed freedom of conscience, and this relates to the Puritan revolution led by Cromwell. The church was no longer reliant on the king.
The enlightenment hacked this idea of conscience and placed reason above the revealed word and church. All the main players of the previous century -- that great time of reformation and counter reformation -- would have been appalled.
This is why I, though reformed, agree with John Wright and our orthodox friends. For we look back to a more classical formulation of the prince and civil magistrate as a man, appointed by God, to defend the people and preserve the faith.
We mistrust reason and rationalization, as did Luther, Calvin... and Thomas Aquinas. We take as our standard instead the revealed word of God. We do argue over the place of tradition, but not the need to submit our reason to revelation.
I think some of the American revolutionaries were cut from the same cloth, and were looking to restore what they considered were the rights, as Englishmen, they had won from the crown in places from Runnymeade to Malvern Common, but there were those who considered the newer enlightenment meant that one could get rid of a personal god and choose which way to go themselves.
Such people were then called Whigs, and are now SJWs and neocons, for both want us to ascribe to their model, and rationalize all that does not fit.
And we should have nothing to do with either groups.
@31-You're right. A sizeable portion of the current ruling class got there by throwing rocks, planting firebombs, and generally creating mayhem. That's why we have ethnic studies departments at universities, for instance. Conservatives know this, but pretend the way to fight is to do what they do. Which is basically nothing. That makes them cowards and idiots.
The left colonized their brains, and made them think any member of a right-wing gang is by definition a Nazi. And the worst they can imagine is being a Nazi, even the ones that complain endlessly about commies.
I like gnus, of course, who doesn't want to conserve gnus?
He was clearly talking about Gnus for Emacs, the mail/news software package of choice for all the smartest, handsomest users. Indeed, our right to gnus must be protected.
Remember Gnus don't kill, people do.
And I thought arming bears was a radical concept....
Austin Ballast wrote:And I thought arming bears was a radical concept....
Not really. Book by Gordon Dickson https://www.amazon.com/Right-Arm-Bears-Gordon-Dickson/dp/0671319590?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0 not his best work, but enjoyable.
"Have you considered Christian Nihilist? I have."
Anarcho Monarchist - I support anarchy as long as I'm King of it.
@37 ZhukovG
Besides, once you reject Absolute Monarchy, you have pretty much embarked on the liberal path anyway.
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I thought the end game of the globalists was an absolute monarchy, over the entire world. If their current plans work out, why wouldn't one big dog take the whole thing over?
@39 VFM #7634
King Donald I. von Trumpf. Let's do it.
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And after the invasion of Mexico, he can be
El Presidente Trump the Great
@43 Raymondson
Gnus from Canada : Supreme Court declares that bestiality is legal.
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Here's the plan.
1. Open up a chain of goat petting zoos.
2. Have a special muslim day now and then.
3. ???
4. WIN
@46 Takin' a Look
OT, but holy carp!!! Asset seizures in Oklahoma
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Crap, I've pretty much gone the prepaid card route...
This has to be illegal.
First thing I thought when I saw this,
Pounded in the Butt by Asset Siezures
That asset seizure - I wonder if it works on those casino cards?
I drifted away from being "conservative" to small l Ron Paul Constitutional libertarian to full Nazi. I have found that a surprising number of other people have gone the same route.
Cail Corishev wrote:He was clearly talking about Gnus for Emacs, the mail/news software package of choice for all the smartest, handsomest users. Indeed, our right to gnus must be protected.
EMACS!?!?!?!?!?!
HERETIC! Burn the Witch!
If VD would only admit that he is also not a Christian because of his persistent denial of basic Christian doctrine, then we'd be on to something.
Credo in Unum Deum wrote:If VD would only admit that he is also not a Christian because of his persistent denial of basic Christian doctrine, then we'd be on to something.
I hope nobody is paying you for that lame level of trolling.
You should always strive to give value for money. If this is the best you can do, you should probably stick with the janitor gig.
Social decay, NOT...At least among whites:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_TEENS_LESS_SEX?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-09-14-26-23
Credo in Unum Deum wrote:If VD would only admit that he is also not a Christian because of his persistent denial of basic Christian doctrine, then we'd be on to something.
And what doctrine do you imagine that to be? I happen to know for a fact that he believes in the full divinity of Christ, because I've asked directly. If it's just not being a Roman Catholic, then whatevs. If it's the Trinity, then remember that the Trinity is a composite doctrine that consists of four dogmas:
-Jesus Christ is God
-God the father is God
-Holy Spirit is God
-There is one God
Which exact dogma does he deny? And if you plan on going to Wikipedia, then read carefully.
Markku wrote:Which exact dogma does he deny?
Do you think this clown has actually read a full paragraph of anything Vox ever wrote?
He saw an out-of-context quote on a hate site and thought "I bet that will alienate all the ignorant Xtians who read Vox!"
Snidely Whiplash wrote:Markku wrote:Which exact dogma does he deny?
Do you think this clown has actually read a full paragraph of anything Vox ever wrote?
I know the name. He's been here several years, and always as obnoxious.
You're all wrong, you know. Every one of you who has used the word "conservative" has absolutely no idea what it means. Russell Kirk is considered to be the preeminent expositor of the ideas and attitudes that define conservatism in the 20th century. You can read a brief essay of his, maybe a 5 to 10 minute read, here.
http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/detail/ten-conservative-principles/
I invite you challenge my statements, but only after you have read the essay.
Roy Lofquist wrote:You're all wrong, you know.
Any time you start a statement that way it's usually false.
Dear Mr. Whiplash,
A pleasure to make your acquaintance sir. Although I presume that you are not the original Snidely, a most talented character actor, who provided me a weekly respite from the tedium of the cotton fields at the end of an arduous day. Are you his son, or perhaps his grandson?
Now I appreciate your interest in the comment I made, but I sense that you did not read the linked article as I requested before I would be responsive to comments and criticism. I will only say that your comment, which I take it you thought to be some manner of clever snark, was rather ill formed in that the the tone was assertive but the adjective "usually" introduces a certain ambiguity.
I regret that I must cut this short in the interest of preserving a modicum of courtesy and civility.
Good day.
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