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Friday, July 08, 2016

The predictive model

As William S. Lind predicted it would in his book ON WAR, 4GW has arrived in America and is targeting the police. Because the police have militarized and lost their moral authority, they are now deemed legitimate enemy targets by a growing number of armed individuals.
- December 20, 2014

Demilitarization is without question in the material interests of the police as well.  They have started a war of escalation and attrition that they cannot possibly win.... It does not take a master logician to observe that all the "whatever I need to do to get home safe" mentality guarantees is that abusive police homes will soon be unsafe.  And the growing Hispanic population means that there will likely be more Latin American-style infiltration, assassination, and terror directed at the lower levels of law enforcement. 
- July 20, 2013

I am not at all surprised that the police are now being targeted for murder due to nothing more than their membership in the Badge Gang. And there isn't a soul in the country who can reasonably argue that the police haven't collectively begged for such targeting, considering how many innocent Americans they have killed with shameless impunity in the last two decades.... Some protest, some shoot. If the police don't abandon their present path of violence and start prosecuting police killers instead of protecting them, they can expect more of the latter and less of the former.
- May 31, 2011

No doubt some readers will have the usual hissy fit that my utter lack of regard for the police means that I'm some kind of liberal hippy. But for those who are inclined to believe that, I'd merely ask: what is so conservative, what is so very freedom-loving, about a police state? When the police put down the machine guns, stop dressing like Darth Vader in a Wehrmacht-style helmet and start behaving politely again instead of knocking down doors and shooting pets, I'll be happy to reconsider the issue.
- February 21, 2007

In the aftermath of the Dallas police shooting, it is understandable that many Americans are shocked, scared, and upset. The post-Civil Rights Act America has not turned out to be the society they thought it was, indeed, it is becoming increasingly obvious that those terrible racist Southern segregationists were correct all along. Targeted assassinations of authority figures are not a sign of a stable, well-ordered society.

But I have neither patience nor sympathy for those who have been emailing, commenting, and Tweeting to say that they are shocked by my comments with regards to Dallas and the overly militarized US police. I have said nothing I have not said many times before. My position has not changed one iota on the subject for over a decade. I have repeatedly predicted such events would take place, nor am I alone in that, as William S. Lind repeatedly warned about it as a consequence of 4GW coming to America in his book of collected columns, On War.

I am neither shocked nor surprised that the events I predicted are taking place, any more than I am surprised that the post-1965 demographic changes have led to a less intelligent, less prosperous, and less stable country.

So, you'll have to excuse me if I'm not inclined to pay any attention to the emotionally incontinent ravings of people who are not only surprised, but observably shocked by what recently took place in Dallas. I told you this was going to happen and I even told you why. If you didn't do the same, if you can't point to ten years of correct predictions, then I suggest that you learn to shut up and listen when more perspicacious individuals are explaining the situation to you. Ask questions if you don't understand something. But regardless, understand that your emotional reaction in the heat of the moment is simply not as relevant as the cold and logical analysis of those who have been thinking calmly about the subject for more than ten years.

Now, as for the binary-thinking idiots who think if you don't support the cops means you are a murderous BLM-supporting Black Panther, let me explain something to you. Nothing the police do - nothing - is going to turn America's blacks into whites. They cannot keep a nonexistent peace. History clearly teaches there are four ways to permanently resolve the current situation: amalgamation, segregation, deportation, and elimination.

Which of those do you support? If you don't support one of them, you're not serious and your opinion doesn't count. Yes, they're all terrible options. Yes, they're all ugly and awful and horrific. So is history.

BLM is the proximate cause. But I didn't predict that the police would become targets because I knew, back in 2007, that BLM would one day come to be. I predicted it because the police abandoned the moral authority that rendered them untouchable, and which protected them much better than any body armor, bigger guns, or "shoot when scared" rules of engagement.

If you want to virtue-signal or strike dramatic poses about how you'll never read this blog again or buy any of my books, that's fine. No one is going to try to convince you otherwise. But you should understand that it is completely apparent to everyone here that you were never paying very much attention in the first place.

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Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 11:22 PM  

Now you're well into self-delusion category. People quit jobs all the time. Cops quit all the time. In fact, most of the honorable cops you seem to think are pervasive quit some time ago.

I know way more ex-cops than current cops. Firefighters, EMTs, driving school instructors, even one Pinkerton Agent (yes, they still exist). Mostly pretty decent guys who couldn't get out of their police uniforms fast enough.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:24 PM  

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Quit with the Princess Bride bullshit.

I have not gone to bat for tactical uniforms for patrol officers. I said different decorations and styles depend on different departments and cultures.

You want to condemn the "BDU" uniform and want me to join in your condemnation.

That's your windmill you want to tilt at. But if you think that is the axis upon which a department succeeds or fails and all else is tertiary considerations at best...I have to ask...just how much time have you done in ANY uniformed service?

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 11:25 PM  

@189 Rhetoric Man

...and Rhetorical Race Warrior shows up with the crazy bait.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:26 PM  

"Now you're well into self-delusion category. People quit jobs all the time. Cops quit all the time. In fact, most of the honorable cops you seem to think are pervasive quit some time ago."

No, YOU are the deluded one, Snidely, if you actually claim you can speak for the circumstances of all cops and all departments.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 08, 2016 11:27 PM  

Man...there are a LOT of cop-cucks here! Wading through the last few OPs has been an illuminating exercise.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 11:27 PM  

Lazarus wrote:An actual foot soldier who stopped running off his mouth.

Micah X. Johnson.

How do you like it so far?


Best part. Not even infantry. MOS is carpenter and mason...reservist.

How did those black BDUs hold up for intimidating?

Anonymous Anonymous July 08, 2016 11:28 PM  

Going to have to respectfully disagree about the cause. Blacks are rioting and violent because it's white people enforcing rules on them. Or non-blacks killing blacks. It's tribal warfare. These same people were rioting and carrying out violent attacks on whites when a latino named Zimmerman killed a black--because someone outside their group killed one of them, and that's war.

Are there bad cops? Sure. Do some cops get away with brutality or murder? Yes. Are there a noteworthy percent of cops who should be in prison? Yeah.

That's not what's causing this. Hell, some black girls claimed that white folk smacked them on a bus and called them niggers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/nyregion/racism-charges-in-bus-incident-and-their-unraveling-upset-u-of-albany.html?_r=0

It got rallies and marches and tweets because it's not about cops--it's about whites doing anything against their tribe or doing anything to enforce their rules. It's about them seizing power. They don't care if it's cops or a random fat mexican or a suspected slight at the Oscars--anything that provides an excuse for them to march and riot will do. Cops are just an excuse.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:29 PM  

"Cop-cucks"

One more keyboard warrior who ain't "stickin' it to da Man" nearly as much as he wants people to think.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 11:32 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:I have not gone to bat for tactical uniforms for patrol officers. I said different decorations and styles depend on different departments and cultures.

You want to condemn the "BDU" uniform and want me to join in your condemnation.

That's your windmill you want to tilt at. But if you think that is the axis upon which a department succeeds or fails and all else is tertiary considerations at best...I have to ask...just how much time have you done in ANY uniformed service?


Is 8yrs enough?

"I have not gone to bat for tactical uniforms for patrol officers. I said different decorations and styles depend on different departments and cultures."...that's called going to bat for BDUs on cops. The BDU is a symptom, not a cause.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:35 PM  

""I have not gone to bat for tactical uniforms for patrol officers. I said different decorations and styles depend on different departments and cultures."...that's called going to bat for BDUs on cops. The BDU is a symptom, not a cause."

No, YOU are calling it that, but that is not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

And yes, the BDU may be a "symptom", but I think we will disagree what it is a symptom of, as well as the cure.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 08, 2016 11:37 PM  

Awwwww Junius Stone

Want cheese with that sour whine?

There is a very cool Texan expression; "You gotta dance with those that brung ya".

The blue badge gang unanimously chose to accept. Now they are freakin' out that the dance floor may be a graveyard. Boo-hoo

Blogger Human Animal July 08, 2016 11:41 PM  

even one Pinkerton Agent (yes, they still exist).
But they'll never have that Blackwater infamy again.

So as long as we're talking about training and culture for police officers, which do we prefer, the break-down-buildup of the military or choosing members from the community to be policed and trusting their outlook?

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:42 PM  

"Argybargy something about wine and cheese"

Go on, rebelrebel. Say something about cucks next.

Anonymous fred July 08, 2016 11:42 PM  

"It's not a costume they put on - it's a work uniform. They wear it to work. Uniforms have three purposes:"

I dunno, man. Maybe. For a while during college I worked as a dishwasher, and so I wore a dishwasher uniform while I was working. The main purpose of which was, somebody else's clothes got sweaty and dirty instead of mine. Later on, I worked designing computer games at MIT, and didn't wear a uniform. Which in itself was a sort of uniform. Huh.

There's all this talk about cops on this site, and hey fine, but I grew up around a lot of cops, and a lot of their children grew up to be cops, so I know a bit about cops.

From my experience, they tend to view the whole thing as tedious bureaucracy. They aren't on a power trip, they're just ground down from dealing with nonsense: you get to meet all the worst people when you're a cop. Lou Reed called that song "Street Hassle" for a reason. It's a job where you put in your twenty, and then you get a pension and get the hell out, and open a bar. That's it. Me, I'm busy with stuff about linguistics, I don't know how half those doods can even remember all the laws they have to obey. I wouldn't wish it on a dog.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 11:44 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:""I have not gone to bat for tactical uniforms for patrol officers. I said different decorations and styles depend on different departments and cultures."...that's called going to bat for BDUs on cops. The BDU is a symptom, not a cause."

No, YOU are calling it that, but that is not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

And yes, the BDU may be a "symptom", but I think we will disagree what it is a symptom of, as well as the cure.


Arguably, there may be a cultural difference between when we served in uniform. When I was in, the class B was the typical UOD. To wear the OG-107 you had to be in a Grubby McGrubbins job, like mine. About half-way through the BDUs started getting issued to combat deployable positions, like mine.

The current 'Warrior Culture' is very different...everyone is class C (casual Friday) all the time, combat ready! Not.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 11:48 PM  

which do we prefer, the break-down-buildup of the military or choosing members from the community to be policed and trusting their outlook?

The break-down-build up routine is intended to produce soldiers who instinctively obey orders. Important when you're part of a combat team, but not what we want from peace officers.

Personally, I'd go with the British style (or maybe it's "former British style" at this point), of more-or-less largish local blokes for the day to day rozers, and a handful of paramilitary units called in for really nasty situations. And when the SWAT teams are called in, everybody has lots and lots and lots of paperwork, and maybe a few careers are over if their use didn't seem justified.

Pulling guns on your own citizens is not the behavior we want to regularize. And yes, that might just imply we have to be a whole lot more picky about who we allow to live here.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 08, 2016 11:49 PM  

@ Junius Stone

I'm no rebel, my ass is going to ground once all this shit really kicks off. You're a has-been joke, desperately clinging to Old Ways and Old Says "see, this is REALLY what it is like for us! Pity me!"

You're scared that you've picked the losing side (hint, yes, you have)

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 11:51 PM  

For a while during college I worked as a dishwasher, and so I wore a dishwasher uniform while I was working. The main purpose of which was, somebody else's clothes

That was point #3 fred. I worked as a dishwasher too once.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 08, 2016 11:59 PM  

Once upon a time, in this very White part of the country, a cop had to demonstrate justified use of force every time he unholstered his weapon I mean that literally. Pulling your gun meant an internal investigation, and he had to demonstrate that he had a reasonable belief that his own or another person's life was in danger. And not "the perp was high" excuses like they use now for shooting unarmed people. It was basically weapon in hand, claim of a weapon in hand, or assault underway.

Blogger Avalanche July 09, 2016 12:04 AM  

I've been having an email discussion (about John Boyd/OODA loop) with a doctor acquaintance of mine, to whom I recommended Lind's 4GW book. He sent me this 'review':
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I purchased and read 4th Generation Warfare Handbook on my recent European trip. I put it off until the plane trip back, though, because I was reading a bunch of trashy mysteries I had downloaded for the trip, and it didn't seem like it would be my cup of tea, John Boyd's contribution notwithstanding. Boy, was I wrong. I read it straight through. What a fabulous little book. Thanks very much for the recommendation. ... I really appreciate your touting me on the book. I'm going to include it in my belated June reading recommendations.
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I've been mulling (agonizing?) over Lind's book/4GW and I just sent my doctor-friend this:
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Oh god, I am NOT happy to recognize this but, alas, I DO recognize this:

I was hit by a (horrifying?!) thought, following on the 4GW concepts: I was (and am? am no longer? but am still?) disturbed by Trump's approval of "waterboarding and more"... Except, I suddenly got a 'flash' about that: *I* am still intellectually mired in 3GW (as an ex-Navy officer) -- and in 3GW, "WE" do not torture, because by not torturing them, we expect that THEY will 'return the honorable favor' and not torture our guys.

The group that would cage a pilot and burn him to death, that happily and regularly cuts off heads (and teaches their sons to do so!), that throws gays off tall buildings and cheers (and then stones them to make sure they're dead), that takes sex slaves, that stones women for being raped and per Mohmd's. "directions" chooses smaller stones so it isn't over too soon, and that rapes anyone they can catch, including 10-yr-old boys and 8-yr-old girls, will NOT "not torture our guys" merely because we don't torture theirs!

I do not LIKE 4GW -- but I am beginning to understand it way more than I want to. (And, alas, my bleeding heart wants to implement Hamas Rules on their asses!) (Oh, that reminds me: have you heard/read of Hamas Rules? Explained in an superb bit of writing here: http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/. Matt Bracken (ex-SEAL, now author) has some very good (if painful) interviews and podcasts. I highly recommend these two: http://usatransnationalreport.podbean.com/e/usa-transnational-report-1-9-2016-with-guest-matthew-bracken/ and https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/brussels-attacks-islams-european-offensive-is-only-beginning

{sigh} Dismaying.

"Av"

p.s., and then I think: Okay-but it's not just about who "they" are but who we are... Isn't it? (And doesn't that pretty much describe the conservatives who are the GOPe, who cannot even "conserve" women's bathrooms?) "We" become "just like them" if we ... you know ... become just like them (albeit in a defensive sense? Nah, bad excuse...) -- and yet the alternative is to lose. Ah hell.
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I'd been thinking of this in relation to the military, but it may also apply to the police. They're already IN a war zone; how should they not be fighting the same 4GW their "enemy" is fighting?

Anyway, if you haven't yet read Lind's "Fourth Generation Warfare Handbook," get your butt over to Castalia house and buy it!

Anonymous fred July 09, 2016 12:05 AM  

Virtually all of my cop friends' compulsive cop stories involve interacting with the stupidest people you could possibly imagine. Many of them, in addition to being stupid, are also morally and legally detestable, but the main ingredient is generally their unimaginable stupidity.

You really have to hear it to believe it.

Cops have a mindset formed by a vision of the world you can scarcely conceive of.

Anonymous SciVo July 09, 2016 12:09 AM  

Rhetoric Man wrote:“But if these anti-white bigots bring war to the white working class, theywill get what they're asking for -- good and hard.”



GREAT. Looking forward to you actually being a foot soldier rather than running off your mouth.


I'm reporting on the sentiment of the people around me, most of whom belong to a different class (and its associated culture) than I do. They have never held a sign in protest and never will, let alone march, let alone riot. But every time something like this happens, they buy another gun -- or, increasingly, make one.

I feel silly having to explain this, but you don't have to actually be a volcano in order to warn that one looks about to blow.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 09, 2016 12:15 AM  

@ SciVo

I feel silly having to explain this, but you don't have to actually be a volcano in order to warn that one looks about to blow

And that is what Vox and all of us who grok him get.

Blogger Zen Trader July 09, 2016 12:37 AM  

So just create another armed group which acts as an agent of state power. How is this any better? Hell, how is it any different?

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Blogger CunfuuzedOne July 09, 2016 12:41 AM  

I remember seeing the very first episode of Cops a few weeks ago on rerun, it ended with a white cop playing an arcade game with a black pre-teen boy. That was 1989. When was the last time you heard of a cop walking a beat? My dad said he remembered when they used to be call "peace officers", instead of "law enforcement officers". I know when I read this blog I was one of the ones that was emotionally surprised. Yet I could not deny your conclusions or always noticing the 'us vs them' mentality of the police my whole life. After some introspection, I think my cognitive dissonance came from the feeling that it it always looks like the victims BLM use as effigies deserved it at some level, but that doesn't speak to the system as a whole. Cops deal with assholes and they become assholes in a feedback loop, the only way I see this stopping is if the two cohorts were separated. I feel like this is inevitable. I feel like I'm watching cells divide under a microscope. We'd only get Andy Griffith back if he didn't have to patrol Crown Heights. So I guess that puts me in the segregation camp. Either way I thank you for a fresh perspective

Blogger Zen Trader July 09, 2016 12:41 AM  

Like every other industry, they evolve together. The thought leaders respond to the challenges of diversity and their solutions filter down to everyone, regardless of their individual environment.

Also, from what I understand the govt gives a lot of that equipment to departments figuring they can use it for riot response, natural disasters, etc.

Blogger Zen Trader July 09, 2016 12:58 AM  

Doesn't everyone look out for their own best interests? I just don't see the sense in expecting people to sacrifice themselves for people they don't know.

Anonymous JI July 09, 2016 1:01 AM  

It appears that all of these mass shootings have one thing in common - they are all committed by people who vote Democrat. And I guess that means that, since there are not overwhelmingly more Democrats than Republicans, that being a Democrat is likely a very good predictor of someone becoming a mass killer. That is, there is always a very low probability of someone becoming a mass killer, but at least hundreds of times greater odds that a Democrat will become a mass killer than a Republican will become one.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 09, 2016 1:01 AM  

Like every other industry, they evolve together. The thought leaders respond to the challenges of diversity and their solutions filter down to everyone, regardless of their individual environment.

Also, from what I understand the govt gives a lot of that equipment to departments figuring they can use it for riot response, natural disasters, etc.

The love of federal money is the root of all evil.

Blogger dfordoom July 09, 2016 1:08 AM  

@60. VD

the police are every bit as much the enemy as BLM. It's not BLM who are going to try to confiscate your guns. It's not BLM who is going to try to force your compliance with the state.

Precisely. At this point in time the police are a greater threat. This is not just happening in the US - even in Australia the police are adopting that paramilitary style. The police are like the armed forces - they're not there to protect us they're there to control us.

In the 1960s it was still reasonable to assume that cops were decent people just doing a necessary job. Some cops today are still decent people but their job has changed. Even the decent ones will still help the government to take away every single one of your freedoms.

Blogger Harold July 09, 2016 1:08 AM  

Some police have taken sides. I live in rural upstate NY. Mine is one of the many upstate counties where the county sheriff has told Albany the sheriffs department will not take any action to enforce the SAFE Act, nor will they assist state police in doing so. The law is effectively nullified upstate. My town no longer had a PD. All 4 of the police from the neighboring town are from that town. Since 80%+ of the people in town are family, either by blood or marriage, within 3 jumps, they're not going to be doing much in the way of jackbooting the locals. Population is 92% white only from city-data.com. (If you want statistics on that sort of thing, it's the place to go.) A lot of Amish and Mennonites.

The towns are small enough that everyone knows who the troublemakers are, white or minority. If there's a SHTF event, there's enough people with beefs that they won't be around for long.

I did work in a prison for a while. Had an inmate assigned to assist me who described how he ended up in prison- again. A cop who knew he was on probation, and had no license, saw him riding is motorcycle and turned on his red lights and sirens. He then led the cops on a high speed chase that ended with him crashing the bike, then taking off running. And they chased him down on foot. And he said, "Then they caught me, and after catching me, they beat the shit out of me. There was no excuse for that!" Well, maybe there wasn't, but I asked him "Do you think maybe you pissed them off?" Pre WWII that was standard police procedure. If you resisted arrest at all, you'd show up for booking looking the worse for wear. It happens far less today then it used to. I've heard stories from old timers. (Which I'm now getting to be...) But used to be the bad guys in the U.S. didn't act like Columbian drug cartels. they knew police, judges, and their families were off limits. Else war breaks out. And the bad guys were smart enough to know who would lose that battle.

Blogger Nick Siekierski July 09, 2016 1:35 AM  

A point that seems to be missing is the role that the mass media plays in promoting outright lies and hoaxes about blacks who get shot. Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown are just two prominent examples where two attackers were justifiably shot. The Castile incident is another example of massive lies being propagated by a really sick "girlfriend" who live-streamed his death and mainlined lie after lie after lie directly into the internet via Facebook. It turns out he was an armed robbery suspect: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/#more-118476

While the issues you described with the militarization of the police are real and should be addressed, I really don't think Micah X or most of these other BLM zombies view the issue as you do. Their main points of reference that have been drilled into their heads for years have been the lie about "stand your ground" and the innocent Skittles child, or the "Gentle Giant" and "hands up don't shoot" lie.

Even if the police did a massive about face and cultural shift, they'd still be punished for every minor indiscretion that was caught on video. Cops back in the 40s and 50s were certainly a lot more mean towards blacks than they are now, but they weren't being targeted from the White House on down. What has changed? The mass media. It provides instant disinformation and hate focusing on its target of choice. As usual, the real story, astronomical violent crime rates among young black men, is ignored because it clashes with the politically correct racist cop narrative.

Blogger Zen Trader July 09, 2016 1:40 AM  

Doesn't everyone look out for their own best interests? I just don't see the sense in expecting people to sacrifice themselves for people they don't know.

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Blogger Sir Thermite July 09, 2016 2:25 AM  

The fact that civilian police got their hands on C4 plastic explosive and used it (you heard that right, it wasn't a repurposed shaped demolition charge like I would have guessed), a remote detonator, and a robot to purposely execute a gunman should give pause to anyone paying attention. Police don't set bombs. And they didn't cross that line to save the President or avenge the deaths of a bunch of school kids...they didn't do it until their own posse got shot. Priorities and such...

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Blogger Arthur Isaac July 09, 2016 2:37 AM  

How many solutions for policing do you find in 4th Generation warfare once the demographic problem has been addressed? You don't need a manual to keep the peace in Maybury.

Dealing with the demography problem is an issue of resolve which is still sorely lacking. Maybe a few more years of Muslim refugees pissing on our children or having one of our family members developing drug resistant tuberculosis will help form some resolve? Or maybe when all the police are cowering in their bunkers while the raping and pillaging is going completely unchecked?

In those days we'll be dreaming of how wonderful we had it now. Defanging a rabid police force isn't going to fix the problem. I for one don't see how we unopen Pandora's box and go back to the days of Andy and Barney.

My black LEO brother in Christ is getting a firefighting job. He says that they are being threatened by BLM and that the solidarity amongst the police is fracturing.

Is this what we get when we see from our top law enforcement that the rule of law is a farce? I think so.

Blogger bob k. mando July 09, 2016 3:01 AM  

201. Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:24 PM
Quit with the Princess Bride bullshit.



you don't deserve any better.

Blogger Elder Son July 09, 2016 3:13 AM  

Just wait until all the old fart cops are retired, and the entire police forces of the USA is filled with Millennials.

Well, he invaded my Safe Space!

Blogger Elder Son July 09, 2016 3:24 AM  

Re: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/#more-118476

Okay.

“The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose.”

Okay, the wide-set nose. Alright… fair enough. He got pulled over because the cop thinks he looks like the BOLO.

Does this mean the cop didn’t use the “broken tail-light” as an excuse to the occupants as to why he pulled them over? Nope. It sure doesn’t. By the way, a “broken tail-light” can be just a cracked lens.

I was once pulled over by a cop who told me he pulled me over because I blew a stop sign down the road from the street lamp he was sitting under at 5 oh-so in the morning. Know what I told him? “You’re a fucking liar.” See, I saw him sitting under that light before I even got to the stop sign. Know what I was thinking when I saw him and when I got to the stop sign? Think real hard. Anyhow… COPS FUCKING LIE… and they do it all the time.

But, but, but… the Sheriff says he never gave him a carry license! Fucking ignorants. What the f**k does this say:

https://mojavedesertpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/mn-shooting-16.jpg?w=640

Does this mean he DID NOT have a license to carry? Does the Sheriff say he had no license to carry? THEREFORE —-> WE <—-> WE <—-> DID NOT – ISSUE – HIS PERMIT. His permit. If he did NOT have a permit, the Sheriff would know it.

Then look at the pic that shows the gun barely peeking out of his shirt. The “conservative” Last Refuge says what? Why, they says…

This hand gun also appears to be the same type of hand gun used in the Convenience Store Armed robbery four days earlier:

Are you fucking kidding me? Seriously? Really? By that picture, they are going to tell you that it looks like the gun used in the robbery! Are you f**king retarded?

The cop says…

“I’m going to stop a car. I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over.”

Okay. Are we to doubt that the cop asked for… I.D.’s? The gal says he asked for I.D. The cop says he was going to ask for I.D.

So, the cop asks for I.D. Is it entirely out of the realm that the man reached for his I.D., the shirt lifted, and the cop… oh, I don’t know… maybe… freaked, while the man was reaching for his I.D., the cop saw the gun peek out from under the mans shirt, panicked… Don’t reach – put your hands where I can see them, while…. BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM?! Because… gosh golly… that has never happened before.

https://youtu.be/zVnKxdMzEXM

And then The Last Refuge wants you to go to the dead mans Facebook… and hey! Doesn’t his style of clothing kind-of, maybe, could be, imagine real hard… look like the clothes the robber is wearing in the robbery surveillance still? Again! Are you f**king kidding me?

Blogger Elder Son July 09, 2016 3:24 AM  

Re:

But, but, but… HE’S A CRIM-IN-NAL! So? Is he/was he? I came this close to doing 40 years for defending myself when attacked from behind, and didn’t realize it was a cop until the deed was done.

Then NOTE… the EMOTIONAL KICKER: Police all around the USA are being targeted on a false premise. Well, that ought to ooze the ooziness out of the weak-minded.

Now, WTF did The Last Refuge “prove”? They are working on nothing but your silly little emotions. And based on all that The Last Refuge wants you to believe, the girl who was with the man who was shot… is a liar.

But wait! BLM is mad! So the guy the cop shot must be guilty! At the least, culpable in his own death! Shh… BLM… guilty!

I don’t know what happened, but it is entirely in the realm that the girlfriend is telling the truth. It is also entirely in the realm, that the dead man had nothing to do with the robbery, was just reaching for his I.D., the cop saw the gun peek… and freaked out.

The Last Refuge proves NOTHING. I want to see and hear the cops body camera and/or audio. Until then, I think this whole deal, for the cop, is on shaky ground. Seriously, try really hard to squeeze some reason and logic out of it.

Oh yeah… then we have the ninnies who claim the gal was too… calm. I am wondering how many of these people have actually been in shock. Being in shock does weird things to you.

Or, she didn’t even bother to help her boyfriend! DON’T FUCKING MOVE! KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM! Clear?

All this digging of dirt proves nothing. Hell, I could be shot tomorrow, and the day after they can have this blog, twitter, cached other blogs and Facebook, all over the news as a “Homegrown Extremist” just proving I am anti-cop, anti-authority, and anti-government. And look! He even admits he told a Deputy to f**k off, called another a liar, and even admits he punched a cop!

I want the truth, no matter which way it turns. But this Last Refuge does nothing but play on emotions.

(Excerpts from my own blog. Apologies if I missed a clean-up)

Blogger Elder Son July 09, 2016 3:28 AM  

I did.

Blogger Sir Thermite July 09, 2016 3:32 AM  

Doesn't everyone look out for their own best interests? I just don't see the sense in expecting people to sacrifice themselves for people they don't know.

Zen Trader, you're either a blithering idiot or a troll. My money is on the latter. Cops and soldiers make their living in exchange for putting their lives on the line for people they don't know. But that isn't even the problem here- the problem is cops getting away with beating, extorting, kidnapping, shooting, and framing innocent people they don't know.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 09, 2016 3:51 AM  

The fact that civilian police got their hands on C4 plastic explosive and used it (you heard that right, it wasn't a repurposed shaped demolition charge like I would have guessed), a remote detonator, and a robot to purposely execute a gunman should give pause to anyone paying attention...

Yeah, that's a more surprising development than the ex-military sniper/assassin going after the cops. I've been expecting the snipers. I didn't expect the cops to respond by jury-rigging a jihadi-bot out of their bomb disposal bot.

That's a Rubicon right there.

Like you said, it happened once they were targeted themselves. Not in response to "serving and protecting" the (disarmed, if the liberals ever get their way) law-abiding citizens, but themselves. All bets of off, all the stops come out, anything is on the table.

But that's how you win the battle and lose the war. If I ran a life insurance company, I'd cancel all the policies covering LEO family members. This is going to get ugly faster than I thought.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 09, 2016 3:54 AM  

...you don't have to actually be a volcano in order to warn that one looks about to blow

No, but a certain class of idiot will think it was somehow your fault if you turn out to be right and it does blow.

Blogger Sir Thermite July 09, 2016 4:27 AM  

But that's how you win the battle and lose the war.

Amen. The alternative scenario is that within a decade we see doughnut-eaters sitting in their cars and using their Panasonic Toughbooks or iPhones to send terminator insect drones carrying Semtex payloads to "neutralize threats" who did not comply with their "lawful orders" made via Facebook Messenger.

Blogger Human Animal July 09, 2016 4:32 AM  

I didn't expect the cops to respond by jury-rigging a jihadi-bot out of their bomb disposal bot.

I would have assumed they'd have driven it in and told chucko to surrender, but from the sound of it, they just executed the guy.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 09, 2016 4:48 AM  

...using their Panasonic Toughbooks or iPhones to send terminator insect drones carrying Semtex payloads to "neutralize threats"...

Pan-spectrum jammers - wave of the future. Either that or improvised ARMs (anti-radiation missiles). Might be dangerous to walk around with your cell phone transmitting.

Anonymous SciVo July 09, 2016 4:49 AM  

Instasetting wrote:This event is like 9/11 which I half predicted; this was a Bad Thing That Was Bound To Happen Sometime.

I might as well reiterate my vague pseudo-prediction of 9/11, which I made in the summer of 2001, since nothing has changed. (Sadly, I can't link to it, since Anarchy Online nuked its beta forums long ago.)

There are three intersecting trends: violence-justifying ideologies spreading through migration, conversion, and innovation; technological advancement increasing how much damage can be done per attacker; and the declining practical value of individual human life, due to effective expendability in a context of ever-increasing quantity.

Unless we find a way to stop it, the intersectional trend will continue to the point where a single nutjob can destroy the world. The time plot of that intersection will look like a 4D version of a secular bull run in the stock market, with fractal advance and retreat patterns that advance OAITLR (on average, in the long run).

I do not know what to recommend; however, I can safely predict that the declining practical value of individual human life will cut both ways. It is inevitable that as terrorists become more willing to kill themselves and others, those others will likewise become more willing to kill more other-others to stop them.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 09, 2016 5:14 AM  

Tribalism is the perpetual problem...
Segregation is the only moral solution.

Blogger Rollo the Cat July 09, 2016 7:47 AM  

Vox, this might ne the dumbest thing you ever posted.

Dallas was not about Joe Citizen fighting back against Federal Swat teams enforcing some unconstitutional or draconian law. It was about a hate group, spawned by a criminal culture, which itself was created by the left, fueled by the media and given a barely tacit approval by the current occupant of the White House.

The thugs shot by police are not people to mourn or fight over. The shootings that have fueled this are mostly perfectly justified. These aren't innocents harassed by thug cops.

Yes, you predicted 4G warfare, but for the wrong reasons.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2016 9:03 AM  

Oooo...it's all black and SCARY!!! WE ARE INTIMIDATED!

We're not just talking about the uniform, and you know it. We're talking about the body armor, armored cars, military tactics and other equipment, an attitude of foreign occupation that comes from their time in Iraq/Afghanistan (as Laz pointed out), and everything else that comes packaged with the uniform. But you danced yourself into a corner where you look stupid and we won't let you dance out of it, so now you're trying to move the goalposts and resorting to SJW tactics like shaming. Well done.

Blogger James July 09, 2016 10:25 AM  

It seems that everyone, including me, forgot why the modern professional police forces were invented in the first place. It was NOT, NOT, NOT!!! for the purpose of protecting the citizens. Nope. Not that way. It was for the purpose of PROTECTING THE CRIMINALS FROM THE VIGILANTES!!!People decided that amateur groups like the San Francisco Vigilance Committee were not applying the law in a fair and consistent enough manner, as it were, so to speak, so it was decided that professionally trained and disciplined police would do the job better and more suspects would make to their trials alive.
Well, the police have become a tool to oppress the citizens, and that should surprise absolutely no one. It is the nature of government to arrive at this end.

Anonymous Instasetting July 09, 2016 10:41 AM  

Scivo,
It was in a Champions 4th Ed. game. I've probably never posted to Anarchy Online.

You're doing a good job outlining some of the forces. You're also doing a good job arguing for W's policies.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 09, 2016 10:44 AM  

204.
Man...there are a LOT of cop-cucks here! Wading through the last few OPs has been an illuminating exercise.

What you see are ghost-dancers. They are the true bitter-clingers, except they cling to neither God or their guns. Despite the FBI giving the blatantly lawless Hillary a pass the other day, they cling to the notion that there is a rule of law and ghost-dance about the constitution. They cling to the utopian notion of a "free-market" despite the fact that there can be no such thing in a society where a counterfeiting and debt-racketeering droit du seigneur is held by a small oligarchy. They send their kids to public edumacayshun in the face of direct evidence that doing so is tantamount to child abuse. They cling to the insane notion of equality and that the recipients of their good will hold to the same nonsense. In a sense the left is correct about them: They still think it's 1955. Their anger is about being reminded that all these platitudes and lies they have believed to be true since kindergarten are just that: nonsense and lies. It's actually an early stage of being red-pilled.

Blogger Booter Wilson July 09, 2016 12:02 PM  

After getting their MRAP from the Feds, my local sheriff department in a suburb of Nashville, TN changed their patrol uniforms from the traditional blues to green BDUs and a level IV plate carrier with gear attached. It definitely has an effect on their mindset and their public perception. My neighbor is in the department and I probe him for intel often. From what he and other cops I know tell me, there are those that will bail to protect their own families when shit gets real, while the other half are enthusiastic and looking for an excuse to kick in doors and confiscate, etc.

My first cousin is in the training academy right now and works for the neighboring county. It will be interesting to see how he changes. It's standard procedure around these parts to start you off as a jailer. I'm convinced the main purpose is to dehumanize the population in the eyes of the wannabe officer. Once you've shown promise, you are selected for police academy, which runs for twelve weeks like a boot camp. After that, you get to patrol in your battle rattle.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 09, 2016 12:23 PM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:I for one don't see how we unopen Pandora's box and go back to the days of Andy and Barney.
Lots of buses and airplanes, and work for backhoes in the aftermath of impressing the need for those buses and airplanes upon those riding them.

Anonymous SciVo July 09, 2016 2:16 PM  

Instasetting wrote:You're doing a good job outlining some of the forces. You're also doing a good job arguing for W's policies.

It was the predictable response to an inevitable escalation. I vigorously disagree with the materialistic worldview inherent in allowing the practical value of human life to dictate policy, instead of its moral value. But I'm humble enough to admit that I don't know what policy to suggest in its stead; that's for people who are as smart as me, and better educated in e.g. 4G warfare.

I'm not a volcano, just reading their signs.

Blogger tublecane July 09, 2016 2:18 PM  

@165-But we have won wars of occupation with brutality before, for instance against the Indians and in the Philippines. There we called it "benevolent assimilation." Our strategy consisted of identifying insurgents, or those we think might be insurgents, and shooting them on the spot. Against various natives, we destroyed the villages that supported them, or which we merely suspected of supporting them.

Not that we'd have the will to do such things today. But they are possible.

Anonymous Instasetting July 09, 2016 3:31 PM  

SciVo,
That sounds good.

I think that most of the 'certain people are useless' crowd are status signalling. They're not interested in creating a society in which ordinary joe's can make a good wage; they want to tell you and everyone in hearing range how special they are.

The already elite have a different motivation. If they allow such change, if they face the Undiscovered Country as Star Trek put it, then a lot of them won't be in charge anymore. And better to strangle the economy and have tensof millions out of work, and not living up to their potential, and not building asteroid cities than have one rich, lazy scion of a 'great' family have to get a job at Taco Bell.

And a lot of those status signallers are right here. They don't want a solution; they want to whinge about not being respected. As an Omega, my heart bleeds for them....truly...

Anonymous Anonymous July 09, 2016 4:23 PM  

Fascism will come to America wrapped in camp and wearing a Mac Tonight mask.

Anonymous BGKB July 09, 2016 11:05 PM  

The Last Refuge proves NOTHING. I want to see and hear the cops body camera and/or audio

At the very least they proved Lavish Diamond was a liar because the sheriffs dept said he didn't have a concealed carry permit. They also showed pics from a USA convenience store armed robbery that look just like the guy. They also have the pic of the gun in his lap.

Matt Finn just reported for Fox9 News in Minnesota confirming some details and adding a few more after discussion with Yanez attorney and investigators:
◾Officer Jeronimo Yanez is Mexican not Asian as claimed by Diamond Reynolds.
◾Philando Castile and Diamond Reynolds did not comply with instructions to keep their hands “up, visible and don’t move them”.
◾There was a handgun “visible” on the lap of Philando Castile
◾Officer Yanez reacted to the gun and Philando Castile’s movements.
◾Confirmation again that officer Yanez did pull over Castile and Reynolds as an outcome of Castile fitting the profile from the armed robbery

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Anonymous Takin' a Look July 10, 2016 11:26 PM  

@ Gen. Kong

It's actually an early stage of being red-pilled.

Quite true. Yet it is very late in the game for them. They haven't gone through the grieving stages yet. Most are now entering the anger/bargaining stage. And this is a YUGE amount of people who have finally been shaken out of denial.

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