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Tuesday, August 30, 2016

On rhetoric

Or, the superiority of information-based reason to emotion-based reaction.

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106 Comments:

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 30, 2016 11:34 AM  

This is the exact rhetoric that is needed. Globalists are still referencing the dead toddler on the beach. The response needs to always be "choose one, their children or your children."

Blogger Guitar Man August 30, 2016 11:35 AM  

Damn, that hits hard!

Anonymous andon August 30, 2016 11:37 AM  

thing is, most of the invaders don't look like the little boy on the beach. they are fighting age and should be defending and building their countries instead of looking to parasite off Europeans

Blogger Elocutioner August 30, 2016 11:42 AM  

Perfect.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 30, 2016 11:51 AM  

That is a really funny cartoon. Well done!

Blogger Guitar Man August 30, 2016 11:55 AM  

Funny?

Blogger Joshua_D August 30, 2016 11:56 AM  

Very good. But how many people know what No. 3 is? I suppose it can be inferred from No. 4.

Blogger Anchorman August 30, 2016 12:02 PM  

The cross in #4 is a subtle touch.

Anonymous andon August 30, 2016 12:03 PM  

I wonder how much TV screen time #3 got, compared to #1

Blogger Markku August 30, 2016 12:03 PM  

Absolutely great work.

Anonymous andon August 30, 2016 12:05 PM  

looks like something done by Red Panels

OpenID luciussomesuch August 30, 2016 12:17 PM  

In the earlier (pre-Nice) version I saw, the mother doubles-down with a "fight racism" tirade. I seem to recall extra panels for that. This is likely a more effective version, since the Nice photo is more instantly recognizable (I think in the earlier draft the daughter was simply dispatched by predictable, generic Muslim violence rather than a specific, noteworthy event), and the quick tit-for-tat of action and consequence drives home the point succinctly.

Blogger David Holden August 30, 2016 12:23 PM  

Some blood in picture 3 would add effect

Anonymous CitizenOutkast August 30, 2016 12:23 PM  

The mom in four is probably thinking "At least I can't be called a racist."

Anonymous CitizenOutkast August 30, 2016 12:26 PM  

Sigh...Pale Moon just won't post here for me.

The mom in four is probably thinking "At least I can't be called a racist."

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 30, 2016 12:31 PM  

This is effective rhetoric. Excellent.

"Their children, or ours, choose ONE". Then when that is too shocking, point out that their children are better off in their country, as our children are better off in our country.


Pale Moon just won't post here for me.

Been more or less happy with Vivaldi so far, it's a lot like the way Opera used to be. For pretty obvious reasons.

Blogger CM August 30, 2016 12:43 PM  

David Holden wrote:Some blood in picture 3 would add effect

I think the doll lying next to a small, covered corpse is emotionally evocative enough.

If it were an adult, perhaps... but this isn't an adult.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 30, 2016 12:49 PM  

CM wrote:I think the doll lying next to a small, covered corpse is emotionally evocative enough.
The problem is, it doesn't look like a corpse. It took reading the last panel and going back to figure out what it was.
A lot of people aren't going to bother, a lot aren't going to figure it out.

OpenID luciussomesuch August 30, 2016 12:55 PM  

"Some blood in picture 3 would add effect"

(cough) Well, there was never any blood on the pictured truck from the Nice attack either, was there?

I mean, if they photoshop the blood out for public consumption, surely they could attach an NB somewhere letting the public know this was done, or else that it's standard procedure at this point.

I've been reluctant to sweep European events into the bag of domestic questionables like (cough) Sandy Hook, but as you said--

"Some blood in picture 3 would add effect"

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 30, 2016 1:04 PM  

Damn, that hits hard!

I like the one that says what the not drowned boy could be like when he grows up.

Some blood in picture 3 would add effect

A picture listing all the reasons the boy didn't drown as stated might be a better one.

The problem is, it doesn't look like a corpse. It took reading the last panel and going back to figure out what it was.

Leftists know better than to let images of white kids out like that, that's why the cucks in France ordered the destruction of recordings. The kid in the ambulance was fake also, but I did tell people oy yea they just left the kid alone in the ambulance without evaluating him those are some lazy EMTS, notice the writing is in English. On top of it the one guy in the ambulance video was wearing the same shirt in a beheading video
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2016/07/french-authorities-to-destroy-cctv-videos-of-nice-attack-to-keep-isis-from-winning-2533209.html

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/video-what-you-should-know-about-the-syrian-boy-in-the-ambulance_082016

Blogger Last Redoubt August 30, 2016 1:05 PM  

Pale Moon just won't post here for me.

@15 A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

Been more or less happy with Vivaldi so far, it's a lot like the way Opera used to be. For pretty obvious reasons.


Been using Brave the last month or two - loving it.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum August 30, 2016 1:09 PM  

At the Battle of Shiroyama, in 1877, 500 Japanese Samurai went up against 30,000 Japanese Imperial Soldiers.

The Samurai were all killed.

For those Samurai, it HURT LESS to be torn to pieces by bullets and cannon balls than to rethink their position in Japanese society.

"We Samurai aren't running the show here in Japan anymore, things have changed. We should try to adapt to this new age that is upon us..." That thought was too painful for them, and dying a horrific death and having limbs torn off by artillery was LESS PAINFUL to them than having that thought.

You are dealing with people for whom IT HURTS TO THINK.

If you have had "islam is a religion of peace." hammered into you head for the last 15+ years by your daycare workers, school teachers, college professors, the media, and by islam's apologists in the culture at large, having the thought "Is islam really a religion of peace...?" HURTS.

Having your child run over by a truck and dragged along the asphalt HURTS LESS than having the thought "Is islam really a religion of peace...?"

Having a theater stormed, people killed, tortured and mutilated to the point that the families can only be shown half a face to ID the body HURTS LESS than having the thought "Is islam really a religion of peace...?"

Having a gay nightclub get shot-up, and having more gays killed in a matter of minutes than all of America's "homophobic" history HURTS LESS than having the thought "Is islam really a religion of peace...?"

For the exact same reason a fat-ass getting winded walking up a flight of stairs HURTS LESS than having the thought "I am fat. I need to go on a diet."

Rethinking implies that you have been in error in the past, and that you need to change something now.

People throughout history have shown that they would rather die than rethink.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie August 30, 2016 1:12 PM  

OT Pale Moon wouldn't post here for me until I removed ad-block for this page only.

HKC

Blogger Bodichi August 30, 2016 1:16 PM  

@ Credo in Unum Deum

"Having your child run over by a truck and dragged along the asphalt HURTS LESS than having the thought "Is islam really a religion of peace...?" "

Bravo sir. Bravo. Have a cold one on me.

Anonymous andon August 30, 2016 1:18 PM  

People throughout history have shown that they would rather die than rethink.

I think this is true

Blogger Jed Mask August 30, 2016 1:28 PM  

...Whoa... Real talk. Excellent. Amen!

~ Bro. Jed

Anonymous Sam the Man August 30, 2016 1:36 PM  

That was an effective bit of propaganda, and sure to hit home with females, who for all the talk of being sensitive, pretty much are all about heir own kids to the exclusion of much else, at least all the ones I have known.

Blogger Matthew August 30, 2016 1:39 PM  

Muslim visits Europe in a boat: baby Muslim dies.

Muslim visits Europe in a truck: baby Europeans die.

The answer is clearly to only allow Muslims to visit Europe on planes.

Blogger pdwalker August 30, 2016 1:45 PM  

Brilliant.

Blogger pyrrhus August 30, 2016 1:55 PM  

In this case, a picture is worth 10,000 words...

Blogger Were-Puppy August 30, 2016 1:55 PM  

Milking the Anchor Baby - this is a great 4 panel

OpenID boardroomal August 30, 2016 1:57 PM  

The wisdom of God to his fallen people through the Apostle Paul

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law....And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Blogger Nate August 30, 2016 2:00 PM  

Ahem...


So Rodney Harrison said Colin Kaepernic isn't black.

OH HAPPY JOYOUS DAY OF LULZ

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia August 30, 2016 2:05 PM  

Beautiful! Personally, who gives a sh*t about these immigrants? I for one don't. Why is India a sh*thole? Because it's filled with Indians. Why is the muslim world a sh*thole? Because it's filled with muzzies.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 30, 2016 2:10 PM  

Matthew wrote:The answer is clearly to only allow Muslims to visit Europe on planes.

NYC tried that about 15 years ago. It didn't work out so well. A bunch of Jews died, which we all know is the worstest tradegy evars, worse than Goy babies dying.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 30, 2016 2:11 PM  

Caption for first panel:

Cry me an ocean, sand-nigger.

(Trigger warning: Not Nice.)

Anonymous BGKB August 30, 2016 2:14 PM  

“Perhaps the media would do us all a service if they didn’t cover (terrorism) quite as much. People wouldn’t know what’s going on.” Cuck Kerry
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/lauretta-brown/kerry-terrorism-perhaps-media-would-do-us-all-service-if-they-didnt

Too many people noticing.

Anonymous Migrant Welcoming Committee August 30, 2016 2:20 PM  

Another example of why women's suffrage was a mistake.

Blogger VoodooJock August 30, 2016 2:28 PM  

You could probably switch out panel one with the innocuous photo of 12 year old Trayvon and panel three with a burping alligator. Heck, there's all sorts of situations that this can be useful. Got to give kudos to the artist.

Anonymous BGKB August 30, 2016 2:33 PM  

MILO forced Chris Brown to use drugs https://twitter.com/blu1x/status/770680894956843009

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 30, 2016 2:35 PM  

OT, except guns, like football, are never off topic;
44% of US household have a firearm,
5% refuse to answer
51% claim no gun in the home, unknown number are lying about that.
Other results from same survey;
58% of Americans know that having a firearm in the home makes you and your family safer.
The number of Americans opposed to gun control goes UP with each highly publicized shooting incident.

Anonymous Sam the Man August 30, 2016 2:58 PM  

Snidely,

Off topic except that arms might be needed if Hillary and her minions manage to import a large number of muslims.

When I lived in central PA, near Penn State the survey was around 60 percent had guns in the house, which if you excluded all of the student population made it close to 78% of households had at least one arm in the house.

Living far east now I would say a significant number of folks, especially older would not answer such a question as to if or if not they had arms. Simply is not all that smart to do, you never know where such data might end up.

OpenID peppermintfrosted August 30, 2016 3:02 PM  

21 / Shiroyama / Hurts Less

Yes, that is why all college professors and journalists must and will be executed. It follows from the horrible effects of the lie what justice demands be done to the liars, and from the fact that the lie is painful to expose that when exposed people will be vengeful.

Anonymous Takin' a Look August 30, 2016 3:05 PM  

@ BGKB

Funny, but it was Rihanna that got him on that path after she cheated on him with a herpes+ producer and knowingly gave him it after her first breakout.

Incidentally, that's why he beat the hell out of her and why he didn't serve any real jail time.

Anonymous Hugo August 30, 2016 3:13 PM  

So the ghost of the dead boy in 1 kills the girl in 3?? I love it! Spooky!

Blogger Lovekraft August 30, 2016 3:25 PM  

The power in the cartoon is the fact women have voting power, buying power, can influence public opinion etc so it isn't a cheap 'muhsohginist' shot.

The cartoon is taking a swipe at the abuse, or at least blatant misuse, of power.

Blogger Lovekraft August 30, 2016 3:26 PM  

The next cartoon, I am sure Vox would agree with me, is a demonstration of other areas where allowing the emotion-to-rule-policy shift in our culture has brought forth disaster.

Blogger Anchorman August 30, 2016 3:27 PM  

OT: Touchdown Teddy is down with a "serious, non-contact" injury.

Blogger Sillon Bono August 30, 2016 3:28 PM  

Pucture number 2 needs the tears removed, leave them on picture number 4

Anonymous Tiny Duck August 30, 2016 3:36 PM  

Crap like this needs to be banned. It confuses the issues and leads people astray.

Guys, using memes to carry out abuse — especially organized abuse — is not protected under freedom of speech. I'm sorry.

Anonymous andon August 30, 2016 3:39 PM  

Tiny Dick August 30, 2016 3:36 PM

I'm sorry.


yes, you are

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 30, 2016 3:40 PM  

A while ago I suggested to Vox a reading group for Aristotle's Rhetoric. He said he was far too busy to organize something like that, but if I wanted to suggest it here, I should feel free. I haven't run anything like this before, so I don't know where to start, but if anyone is interested and has suggestions, I'd love to get this off the ground.

The first obvious question would be the venue. Goodreads would probably work, but I know some of the Ilk may not like that option. If anyone is interested or has suggestions, reply here. If it looks like this may take off, I'll put my e-mail up for more direct conversations to plan this.

Anonymous andon August 30, 2016 3:45 PM  

@ #42 Sam the Man

primary care physicians are now asking if you have a gun in the house. I replied "not your business" to that and several other intrusive questions.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 30, 2016 3:45 PM  

Rethinking implies that you have been in error in the past, and that you need to change something now.

People throughout history have shown that they would rather die than rethink.


No, it doesn't work that way. Extremely few people think, or rethink, at all. When it comes to social behavior, people HERD.

If you buy the premise of socionomics (I do), then the conclusion is that the masses of people herd in whatever direction the Narrative points.

Given that I believe we approach a once-in-three-centuries trend change, and that the crescendo into the top of the Old Narrative is deafening, I expect the reversal to be a PHASE CHANGE.

Today the herd believes the Narrative of invite the world, eat meals out, we all can get along.

One tomorrow soon (I think soon) the herd will be terrified of foreigners, terrified of diseases borne by restaurant food, and enraged at everyone who differs from themselves in any noticeable way.

Same people.
Same data.
Different social mood.
The best part: Social mood is regulated endogenously. No outside events can turn it one way or another (hence, why events we find compelling have no effect) so when the time for Phase Change arrives, All the Kings Horses and All the Kings Men....

Blogger Josh August 30, 2016 3:46 PM  

OT: Touchdown Teddy is down with a "serious, non-contact" injury.

What did he know about Hillary?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 30, 2016 3:48 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:A while ago I suggested to Vox a reading group for Aristotle's Rhetoric.

Please tell us more. Why should I care? What's in it for me? Will I like myself more because Product X? (Those 3 are generic marketing questions.) What is a reading group? What do the participants do? What is the time structure? So many pages per week? Bring in outside examples like VP posts and 8chan/pol/? etc.

Blogger Josh August 30, 2016 3:53 PM  

Shut up Spartan

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 30, 2016 4:00 PM  

@ Spartacus

Why should I care?

If you're here, it's safe to assume you have some degree of respect for Vox Day, and he believes this book is very important. It's easier to learn from books like this when you can talk it out with others.

Will I like myself more because Product X?

Well, leftists and cuckservatives will probably hate you more if this is successful. If that makes you like yourself more, then yes.

What is a reading group?

We all read the same book at the same time and then periodically talk about what we've read.

What is the time structure? So many pages per week?

Yeah, that's the general idea. I don't have any firm schedule in mind at this point.

Bring in outside examples…?

Yes, if they're relevant to the current text being discussed.

Like I said, I've never put anything like this together before and at this point I'm just trying to see if there's interest and get some advice.

Blogger Alexander August 30, 2016 4:09 PM  

@51

I am interested. I don't know the mechanics of Goodreads but I assume it would require us to keep any sort of discussion normie-friendly.

Anonymous Jill August 30, 2016 4:12 PM  

Chilling.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 30, 2016 4:18 PM  

Yeah, Guitar Man. I giggled like schoolgirl at this cartoon.

I mean, not a refugee-murdered schoolgirl, mind you. They can't laugh...it would be considered haram.

Blogger Nate August 30, 2016 4:44 PM  

"primary care physicians are now asking if you have a gun in the house. I replied "not your business" to that and several other intrusive questions."

This has been going on for 20 years.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist August 30, 2016 4:48 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:OT, except guns, like football, are never off topic;

44% of US household have a firearm,

5% refuse to answer

51% claim no gun in the home, unknown number are lying about that.

Other results from same survey;

58% of Americans know that having a firearm in the home makes you and your family safer.

The number of Americans opposed to gun control goes UP with each highly publicized shooting incident.


I remember a few years ago the pediatrician asked me during a well visit for my then 2 yo if there were any firearms in the house. I lied and said, "Oh, no. None". Too which she nodded and smiled. I'm sure its a mandatory question she has to ask, but I really wanted to say, "Oh fuck yeah. A shitload, Doc."

Blogger James Dixon August 30, 2016 4:48 PM  

> ...primary care physicians are now asking if you have a gun in the house.

I expect 90% of the doctors in our area would either have enough sense not to ask or simply check yes (if they wanted to be truthful) without bothering to ask.

Blogger BassmanCO August 30, 2016 5:06 PM  

Zaklog, I toll would also be interested in the reading group.

Anonymous RandyJJ August 30, 2016 5:19 PM  

@51

Zaklog, I would be interested in being part of a reading group. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice on setup and organization.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 30, 2016 5:29 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:@ Spartacus

Why should I care?

If you're here, it's safe to assume you have some degree of respect for Vox Day, and he believes this book is very important. It's easier to learn from books like this when you can talk it out with others.

...

Like I said, I've never put anything like this together before and at this point I'm just trying to see if there's interest and get some advice.


Ok, thanks! Alexander just nixed the Goodreads idea. New idea- use older VP posts, especially the ones that are related. Uh- as long as the proprietor is cool with that. Pick a post, say from a month ago on some rhetorical topic, a dead thread. Use that for awhile, then switch to a different post? Put an OT notice in a current thread every now and then? The advantage (I'm pitching VD, CH, etc. here) is to add more content to VP that others can find as well, instead of having it lost on some SJW site.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 30, 2016 6:03 PM  

OT: Touchdown Teddy is down with a "serious, non-contact" injury.

Josh
What did he know about Hillary?

Nothing, obviously. He's still breathing: QED.

Blogger tublecane August 30, 2016 6:24 PM  

This cartoon would work better if the picture were more recognizable. I had to work out what it was from the context.

Then again, no picture making the point will ever brave famous as the kid on the beach picture. I wasn't paying much attention at all during the early part of the "refugee" "crisis," and wasn't aware to what extent the propaganda push relied on that picture. But I did see the picture. By the time I was made aware of what a foolhardy, self-destructive quest Europe had embarked upon, I remembered the picture. That's how effective is the MSM. They even get to people like me, who aren't pay attention and would know better if they were.

Blogger tublecane August 30, 2016 6:24 PM  

brave = be as

Blogger collisioncat67 August 30, 2016 6:39 PM  

In panel no.4; the mom being a good and proper sjw is crying tears of rage at white American males for having provoked and driven the poor immigrant into committing such a tragic and desperate act.

Blogger Aaron Swenson August 30, 2016 7:10 PM  

Maybe to clarify things for those not in the know on this, put "refugee child" in the first panel and "Nice truck attack" in the third? I had to explain to my wife what the particulars were.

Blogger VD August 30, 2016 8:05 PM  

Maybe to clarify things for those not in the know on this, put "refugee child" in the first panel and "Nice truck attack" in the third? I had to explain to my wife what the particulars were.

As a general rule, don't suggest "improvements" to effective memes that are sweeping the Internet. If you knew anything about it, they would be your memes.

If you have to explain the joke, it isn't funny. And if it isn't funny, it's not effective. So, if your wife can't figure out the meme from context, then she's not informed enough to be the audience for it.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 30, 2016 8:05 PM  

I'd be down for the rhetoric reading group

Blogger Mountain Man August 30, 2016 8:10 PM  

@38
Spot on.. thats the seed that has led to this nightmare.
Bring Back The Patriarchy !

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 30, 2016 9:01 PM  

Okay, it looks like we have some interest, and I just came up with an idea for a forum. Is there anyone interested who does not have an account with Disqus.com and has a serious objection to it?

Blogger Kona Commuter August 30, 2016 9:06 PM  

I read that the photographer that took this shot https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1630333/russia-kills-150-isis-fighters-in-deadly-mass-carpet-bombing-over-syria/ was the same photographer that took pictures of ISIS beheading children

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 30, 2016 9:06 PM  

tublecane wrote:This cartoon would work better if the picture were more recognizable. I had to work out what it was from the context.
I suspect this is far more recognizable on the east side of the Atlantic.  The fireball from the Boston Marathon explosion would probably do better among Americans.

Anonymous RandyJJ August 30, 2016 10:06 PM  

@75

Zaklog, I have no objections to lodge against Disqus.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 30, 2016 10:38 PM  

I'm sad now. Very low energy of me, but there it is.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 30, 2016 10:44 PM  

Credo in Unum Deum wrote:Rethinking implies that you have been in error in the past, and that you need to change something now.

I would like to repeat my contention here that most people do not experience cognitive dissonance (particularly those with verbally tilted IQs). For example, think of the relationship between a normal woman's words and her behavior.

Blogger newanubis August 30, 2016 11:46 PM  

All hail the 19th.

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 12:09 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Credo in Unum Deum wrote:I would like to repeat my contention here that most people do not experience cognitive dissonance (particularly those with verbally tilted IQs). For example, think of the relationship between a normal woman's words and her behavior.

They experience something like it. Not the sharp pain of their brains trying to shift paradigms without a clutch, but still. There's a difference in behavior and reactions between someone whose Rationalization Hamster is snoozin' an' groomin', and when the friction of its exercise wheel is practically generating visible smoke.

A big difference is that instead of leading to introspection, it just spurs them to lash out -- to lie, double down, and project. It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 12:11 AM  

That quote was just Aeoli. I deleted Credo's part. I regret the misattribution.

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 12:14 AM  

And that's a big difference between the two kinds of CogDis, not the behavior and reactions... oh well. I screwed that one up.

Blogger joe b August 31, 2016 12:53 AM  

re: rhetoric reads. why not use irc or mumble (if you want audio)? commercial alternatives are hangouts, Skype, and the like.
you would probably want to break down meetings/discussions into weekly or monthly sections so everybody is on the same page as it were.
any medium where you can restrict entry would be sufficient to avoid the most obvious infiltration attempts.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 31, 2016 2:11 AM  

SciVo wrote:And that's a big difference between the two kinds of CogDis, not the behavior and reactions...

My thought is that a normal human brain is wired to maximize goodfeelz by reciting social scripts. Around 80% of the time, the esoteric meaning of these scripts is "You should identify me with identity class A. You should not identify me with identity class B. Class A is superior to B because the members of class A are moral, intelligent, tall, attractive, and are victims because they deserve more than what they're currently getting, whereas the members of class B are sickly, ugly, and all-in-all have it better than they really deserve."

Example of exoteric expression: "After comparing a broad selection of ancient and modern political philosophers (read: 'im zmurt'), we are forced to conclude that government administration must be concentrated in the hands of a talented class of natural aristocrats (read: 'gib da gibs to teh zmurt ppl')."

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 31, 2016 2:15 AM  

Whether a person spends the majority of their time and energy convincing others of his class identities, or himself, depends on personality.

Hell, I like that definition. I'ma turn this into a blog post.

Blogger joe b August 31, 2016 4:15 AM  

forgot to check the box

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 4:22 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Whether a person spends the majority of their time and energy convincing others of his class identities, or himself, depends on personality.

I don't even understand that question. I can only see the difference between people who are what they are and act out of it, and people who try to convince themselves and others of some identity or another that they would just exercise if they had it.

But then, I've literally never had any desire to be anything than what I am. Even when I've been so miserable that I went to great lengths to improve my character, it was just to be more myself... oh.

I guess maybe I see what you mean? Except then you still have to distinguish between personalities prone to self-delusion and those prone to self-improvement, even if from another perspective those are just two types of self-conviction.

And now re-reading your comments, if you mean class class (not just categories of identity), I might be speaking completely tangentially to your point. And also, you would need to have read A Framework For Understanding Poverty by Ruby Payne, to first know what those class identities are.

Or I could just try to summarize them in my next comment.

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 5:08 AM  

This goes way beyond Ruby Payne. She was just a starting point for my thoughts. Also, turns out that it's over 4096 characters and I have to split it up. Just a warning.

The socio-economic classes are defined by their concerns, which are defined by what's easier and harder for them to get. These become cultures over generations, so you could have a culturally middle-class person who is temporarily upper or lower class; but habits become character, and what's optimized to thrive in one environment will do poorly in another. (The basis of every fish-out-of-water story ever.)

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 5:09 AM  

The lower class, lacking any kind of material security, can only invest in their own human capital (in the sense of thriving in their environment). When they might have to pound nails with a screwdriver handle because they don't have a hammer, there's no point in getting a good screwdriver that will just be ruined. When they might have to run out on the rent in the dead of night, there's no point in owning (or at least caring about) more than they can thrown in the car real fast.

So their concern is with respect of personality. They will invest their time in building up a character, much like a performing artist, and may take a pseudonym for the same reason. Savvy investments are distinctive clothes and accessories, either of which may also serve as props (hat, cane).

Their weakness is that the behavior needed to thrive where they are is the opposite of what is needed to move up. So they very rarely do, unless they're culturally higher and just down on their luck.

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 5:10 AM  

The middle class has income but not wealth -- or rather, they lack net worth. So they can acquire material wealth through debt, and might even be required to do so in order to maintain the position that is the source of the income. (It's hard to keep a nice job without a place to securely keep tools or computers or clothes or whatever is the right professional accoutrements.) Because they daren't lose their income.

So the middle class concern is respect of acceptability. He needs other people to want to work with him, even if just as customers and suppliers. So he needs to show real productive performance and also not piss people off too much. So he will shave some of the sharper edges off the crystal of his personality, that the lower class would hone and the upper class wouldn't notice.

Which leads to their weakness, which is weakness. That debt is a powerful lever that anyone can lean on, whether from the direction of their fear of arrest or their fear of losing work. So it powerfully inhibits them from being able to exercise and develop their personalities to the fullest.

Anonymous SciVo August 31, 2016 5:10 AM  

The upper class has net worth, which means that every deal-maker in the middle and lower classes wants their time and attention. And while they don't actually have to work if they use their money to make money instead, the dirty secret of wealth is powerful.

Most basically, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't both spend money and invest it; it's one or the other. So you can't keep what you're willing to spend, so you can't stay rich unless you're habitually stingy; and this plain material fact can reinforce a virtuous habit of thriftiness to potentially psychotic lengths.

So the upper class concern is respect for privacy. They do still need to get along to some extent, in order to live the life of making money by making deals -- which can all be done in the pleasantly secure environs of the exclusive golf club. But there's nowhere near as much pressure to smooth their personalities as with the middle class; there will always be someone else who's willing to swallow crow, grin and bear it, and make a deal with the money that happens to be controlled by that specific ugly bag of mostly water.

Their weakness is their social isolation from anyone outside of their class, and also lack of negative feedback for ill behavior. It's a perfect recipe for high-functioning sociopathy, which is also a great attribute for maximizing how much you can make from deal-making. And with assortative mating and a lack of social mobility, it's intuitive that this tendency would be quickly reinforced over generations. So the rational expectation is that by now, our elites are completely off their rockers and depraved beyond belief.

Blogger Roger G2 August 31, 2016 7:25 AM  

Considering not many people even knew about #3-myself included-I'd wager it didn't get much attention at all.

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Blogger Roger G2 August 31, 2016 8:36 AM  

This is brilliant.
I had to go and look up some Nice attack images in order to see the actual photo from frame 3.
Which should give westerners pause.
Why does one dead child's body become iconic and instantly recognizable while another's doesn't? Of course we know that answer(the narrative push) but think of all those people who've only seen the migrant boy photo and none of the dead of Nice.
How easy it was for the world press to dupe the civilized world into the chaos of the coming troubles caused by invading hordes.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 31, 2016 9:34 AM  

Here is excellent rhetoric.

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Blogger Daniel August 31, 2016 10:41 AM  

This guy is a moron. Dont waste time on him

Blogger Aaron Swenson August 31, 2016 3:29 PM  

VD wrote:Maybe to clarify things for those not in the know on this, put "refugee child" in the first panel and "Nice truck attack" in the third? I had to explain to my wife what the particulars were.

As a general rule, don't suggest "improvements" to effective memes that are sweeping the Internet. If you knew anything about it, they would be your memes.

If you have to explain the joke, it isn't funny. And if it isn't funny, it's not effective. So, if your wife can't figure out the meme from context, then she's not informed enough to be the audience for it.


Sorry, oh great one. The Nice attack image wasn't very heavily publicized, as others have said here. If the meme is unclear, it won't get the desired result. Why make a meme targeting an echo chamber of "people in the know"? Isn't the point of memes to call attention to fallacies in such a simple way, the average prole can understand it?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 31, 2016 3:53 PM  

How about the photo of the Swedish girl that was raped and mutilated? That's certainly graphic enough.

Anonymous Discard August 31, 2016 5:35 PM  

51. Zaklog: Talk to the librarians in your town. Book groups are one of their main amusements, and they know how it's done. The older librarians are better read, but the younger ones are more internet-savvy, as a rule.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 31, 2016 9:18 PM  

Damn SciVo, keep that train chugging! xD

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 31, 2016 9:22 PM  

SciVo wrote:And now re-reading your comments, if you mean class class (not just categories of identity), I might be speaking completely tangentially to your point.

I mean categories of identity here. Sorry to confuse, this is my initial foray into the topic and I haven't read much on the subject.

Anonymous Fnord Prefect September 01, 2016 7:45 AM  

Aaron Swenson wrote:The Nice attack image wasn't very heavily publicized,

The Nice photo was suppressed. French government told media to remove it. Although it is an iconic photo, don't forget 10 french kids were killed in the "truck attack". No photos of the other nine sacrifices on the altar of diversity exist. French government also ordered Nice to destroy all CCT coverage of the "truck attack".

Compare and contrast:

A. The anchor baby died when his father, a human trafficker, sunk his own boat while taking his family (who had been settled in Turkey for years) to Germany for free dental work along with his daily cargo of illegal economic migrants.

The body was initially found in the rocks and moved to the beach so the sick photographers could get better pictures. Then it was spread around the world by all media with the explicit message that this poor ickle baba represented all the mooslim migrants.

B. Ten French families went out to a national celebration and were murdered by a mad muslim (probably as OP implies, allowed in because of manipulated public sentiment). At least ten families left to mourn their lost children - msm response? crickets.mp3 tumbleweed.avi, and when obliged to say something, "Oh,the truck did it!"

There is no clearer example of the way we are being manipulated on both sides of this disgraceful, failed experiment in diversity.

Anonymous truthmatters123 October 01, 2016 11:01 PM  

Frond Perfect-

Excellent summary of the terrible media lies and government lies about muslim terrorists and "refugees".

I can't believe how much they lie and cover up.

And how long they get away with it.

People , including me , do not want to believe they can be so evil. There really is a ruling class of betters and media who are totally willing to lie and hide the truth. And even actively make things up.



How did we get here??


One of the biggest lies, repeated and accepted as true by almost everyone, is that muslims "become radicalized" by something outside themselves, which is a huge lie that removes any personal individual responsibility. And thus the whole war on terror is based on a major lie and is uselessly trying to fight "an idea" rather than actively fighting using everything we can to destroy those who are killing us. WW2 would still be going on if we had fought by importing large numbers of german refugees and trying to stop the nazification of germans inside Germany.




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