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Wednesday, August 17, 2016

The evil of innocents abroad

Sometimes, it doesn't turn out as well for the do-gooders as it did in the #1 bestselling literary satire, The Missionaries, as Peter Grant, South African military veteran and witness to many an atrocity in Africa, testifies:
I've seen this so many times in Africa that the memories are seared into my mind . . . yet the 'innocents abroad' keep on going there in the expectation that because they're aid workers, they'll be respected by the locals.  "In the event of trouble, the people we're helping will protect us.  Everything will be fine."  I was told that, in those specific words, by a medical volunteer in West Africa . . . two weeks before she was raped to death (including being raped vaginally and anally by multiple bayonets, after her assailants had had their fun) by Foday Sankoh's RUF thugs in Sierra Leone.  She was an attractive woman when I last saw her.  Two weeks later, her torn, burned, sliced-open corpse was a nightmare.  I could not identify her by sight.  It took dental records and a forensic pathologist to do that.

People, if you visit a part of the world - not just Africa, but anywhere - where human life is cheap, where torture and rape are everyday occurrences, where tribal and/or religious and/or ethnic divisions are excuses for savagery and bestiality of the worst kind, then the odds are pretty good that you're going to experience those realities for yourself.  The locals don't care that you're there to help them.  They don't care about your high-minded ideals, or your purity of vision of the new Utopia you're trying to build for them.  To them, you're "other".
Helping Africa is one of the very worst things any Western individual can do. Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans Indians and Pakistanis from dying of starvation.

Guess what the consequence of that particular piece of idiocy is going to be? Borlaugh's Nobel Peace Prize will eventually come to be seen as far more ironic than Barack Obama's.

In 1971, the population of Nigeria was 51 million. Thanks to Borlaug's innovations and Western assistance, it is estimated that the population of Nigeria will be 400 million. The UN estimates that it will be the world's third-most populous country, behind China and India.

With the highest rate of population growth, Africa is expected to account for more than half of the world’s population growth between 2015 and 2050. During this period, the populations of 28 African countries are projected to more than double, and by 2100, ten African countries are projected to have increased by at least a factor of five: Angola, Burundi, Democratic Republic of Congo, Malawi, Mali, Niger, Somalia, Uganda, United Republic of Tanzania and Zambia.

My expectation is that considerably more than one billion people are going to die as a direct result of the do-gooders interventions in Africa. And not all of them are going to be Africans either.

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Blogger Hazim August 17, 2016 8:04 AM  

"It never hurts to help...." should be engraved on the tombstone of western civilization.

Blogger Werekoala1066 August 17, 2016 8:06 AM  

There was a reason the population there (and elsewhere) was so low for so many centuries - it's all it could support, and the societies evolved accordingly. Now that the populations are growing faster than their social evolution (if any), there's little wonder about why things are the way they are. Libs seem to think that the thinking of entire populations can be changed in a couple of semesters, as they were, but the Universe doesn't work that way kiddos...

Blogger Dexter August 17, 2016 8:11 AM  

"considerably more than one billion people are going to die as a direct result of the do-gooders interventions in Africa"

The only deaths I care about in this total are the deaths in Europe and North America that will occur when the locust swarm of Africans migrates to the white countries and strips them clean.

Blogger Jim Carroll August 17, 2016 8:12 AM  


Related is the relief industry in Hatti and Africa. I wonder if you've seen "Poverty Inc." and what your thoughts were. http://www.povertyinc.org/ It's currently on Netflix streaming.

Blogger The Kurgan August 17, 2016 8:19 AM  

Yup. I'm sure not any kind of Bible scholar, and I know well the hour cannot be known, but I'll be damned if it doesn't seem that big-picture wise we can't be all that far from the book of revelation, if not already a ways into it.

Blogger SteelPalm August 17, 2016 8:24 AM  

Vox, I see the possible danger, but don't you think that by 2100 most of Western society will have instituted ironclad borders to deal with the threat of such invaders?

Also, it's amusing to think that a candidate for the most evil man of the 20th century is a white Norwegian.

Blogger Happy Housewife August 17, 2016 8:24 AM  

Read an article a few years ago by an African that, summed up, said the best thing to do with Africa is build a wall around the entire continent, give them a bunch of guns, then check back in after a few years. Doesn't sound like a bad plan.

Blogger #7139 August 17, 2016 8:26 AM  

My expectation is that considerably more than one billion people are going to die...
I agree. There are very few people who seem to have any idea of the horrors that are going to take place in the next 40 years.

Blogger FALPhil August 17, 2016 8:28 AM  

I had similar experiences as Grant in Tanzania back in the '70s when it was ruled by the dictator, Julius Nyerere, along with some of the fallout from Uganda under Idi Amin. I witnessed all sorts of brutality, including summary executions on the streets of Dar-es-Salaam for insignificant misdemeanors.

A Rhodesian ex-pat once said to me, "There's nothing wrong with Africa that re-colonization couldn't cure." I am not so sure of that. I go back to VD's Time to Civilization Theory and think that the best thing that can happen to Africa is time.

Anonymous Drose August 17, 2016 8:29 AM  

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Related is the relief industry in Hatti and Africa. I wonder if you've seen "Poverty Inc." and what your thoughts were. http://www.povertyinc.org/ It's currently on Netflix streaming."

I followed the link and watched the trailer. It looks really interesting. I will watch it tonight.

Blogger CarpeOro August 17, 2016 8:31 AM  

Somalia... is it because the population has been reduced there so much by migration to Minnesota and elsewhere, giving a lower base line? Lower population to share the food shipments means higher birth rate again I suppose.

On a tangential note, I once thought that Sam Kinneson's comedy bit about the starving in Africa moving to where the food was made some sense. How naive I was then. Somalis moving to the USA has brought new gangs, increased kidnapping for the sex trade, and Democratic voters. In other words, nothing sane or good.

Blogger JP August 17, 2016 8:31 AM  

You know, I live in Cape Town, South Africa. The most civilised part of the most civilised country in Africa. You know what the "Africans" in the informal settlements do? They stab someone, then wait for the paramedics to come and then they attack them. If there are women present, they get raped. And this isn't 1980. The anti-apartheid struggle is long gone. Yet they still do that shit for no reason other than they hate us. Luckily we're not entirely stupid and there are now many areas that private, NGO and public firs-Responder services simply refuse to enter without a heavy armed escort. Now again, this is Cape Town, the best place on the entire continent.

Blogger Sillon Bono August 17, 2016 8:32 AM  

@2

The problem is not just liberals

It is a western trait to think that everybody else everywhere else has the same aspirations in life, way of thinking and vital objectives than westerners.

Take for example islamic culture, how many people do you know that understand islamic is completely different from western culture (being Christian or not).

Oh, and only whites have this compulsion to have to feel good about themselves at the expense of the neighbor's money, and then slap the neighbor in his face with it.

Anonymous bloody barbarian August 17, 2016 8:32 AM  

Kim du Toit (formerly of S Africa) did an essay on this many years ago. Quite good if you've never read it. Let Africa Sink

Blogger Jim Carroll August 17, 2016 8:34 AM  

@11 Drose, If I were to sum up the message of the movie in a few words it would be: "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Supply him with a continuous supply of fish and you'll destroy his fishing industry and make him a dependent."

Blogger red clock August 17, 2016 8:35 AM  

This century is like a very bad horror movie. Reality is upside down - where populations of civilized peoples with wealthy nations refuse to reproduce and stand up for themselves while endless millions of primitive savages (that's what they are), won't stop reproducing and demanding more stuff. 4 billion sub-saharan africans by 2100. Let that sink in (yes, that's factoring in the slowly declining fertility and other "progress").

At this point, the over-emotional europeans facilitating Islamic expansion and african population explosion and other racial marxist politics sicken me more than africans could. Deporting these clueless, sheltered, university-brainwashed white lefties who demand diversity among African locals (preferably Somali - muslim+african, double fun!) is the sanest policy a government could enact. But I doubt we'll see such sanity.

I am putting my hope in China, Japan and CRISPR for the future. Western peoples are too confused, with their heads in the clouds.

Blogger Johnny August 17, 2016 8:41 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:Vox, I see the possible danger, but don't you think that by 2100 most of Western society will have instituted ironclad borders to deal with the threat of such invaders?

Also, it's amusing to think that a candidate for the most evil man of the 20th century is a white Norwegian.


Well I am not Vox, but the problem is do they get from here to there, take on enough damage to see the problem before they are just another failed state

OpenID paworldandtimes August 17, 2016 8:44 AM  

Rhetoric against do-gooders: "Helping them only makes more of them."

PA

Blogger Johnny August 17, 2016 8:45 AM  

Africa has a variable climate. The problem when it hits will be a bad crop year. Also a lot of these aid agencies are funded with donations or by governments that want to spend money. Start telling the truth about this stuff and the funding will dry up. So in the name of charity they end up misleading the public. They do not what is right but what produces the best pile of cash.

Blogger John S August 17, 2016 8:48 AM  

I go back to VD's Time to Civilization Theory and think that the best thing that can happen to Africa is time.

Haven't they had the same amount of time as every other group of people on the planet? Thats the flaw I can't reconcile with "time to civilization": who civilized the first bunch?

Blogger CarpeOro August 17, 2016 8:51 AM  

@16
"Deporting these clueless, sheltered, university-brainwashed white lefties who demand diversity among African locals (preferably Somali - muslim+african, double fun!) is the sanest policy a government could enact. But I doubt we'll see such sanity."

Maybe you have a point there. Ship all left leaning college grads to Africa for 4 years of Peace Corps work. Even if only a portion actually "see the elephant" or die, it may prove a useful exposure to reality. I was going to exempt leftist females only because they regularly confirm they have no agency and need to be treated like children, but they are also most prone to willful denial of reality. A few of them being brought up close to the real world may spread the truth a bit faster in their ranks as the "safety first" instinct gets a nudge.

Blogger My Dead Gramps August 17, 2016 8:51 AM  

"I am putting my hope in China, Japan and CRISPR for the future"
Rice-sharking's starting to look pretty appealing right about now.

Blogger Nate August 17, 2016 8:55 AM  

"I go back to VD's Time to Civilization Theory and think that the best thing that can happen to Africa is time."

that clock stopped when colonialism stopped.

The best thing that could happen to africa is Colonialism... and THEN time.

Lots and lots of time.

Blogger Phillip George August 17, 2016 8:59 AM  

raping someone with a bayonet suggests a 'supernatural' element.

mr Rational, the resident irrational atheist, the materialist, the scientism teacher is just as hard to reach logically as someone who rapes people with bayonets.

His global warming scare just buggered your economy without a bayonet.

At home, abroad, anywhere wisdom starts with a logical fear of the Actual God. Without this common denominator it won't matter much if its Africa, Cape Town or Londonistan, Paristan, Dearborn or ... .[ insert your nearest ghetto.]

Ethiopa has some of the World's oldest churches. Shame more people didn't take a side when the slaughter began. Lazy churchians. Very lazy.

Blogger Bill August 17, 2016 9:07 AM  

Anyone interested in actually helping Africa really, really needs to go to one of the one-day When Helping Hurts seminars given by the Chalmers Center (read their book first). The most shocking statement I heard during the seminar was when they were interviewing an African lady, and asked her "If you could change just one thing about your life, what would it be?" This was in the context of; walking so far to get water, spending hours per day collecting something to burn to cook food, no medical supplies, etc. Her answer; "I wish I wasn't raped so often".

Their culture is broken beyond repair. The best thing we can do is not colonize, but abandon. Leave them alone. NO MORE AID. If anything; Trade, Not Aid. On the off chance that they produce something valuable, fine, we'll buy it, otherwise - nada.

OpenID randkoch August 17, 2016 9:12 AM  

In the end, the west will get the blame for it, too.

It's like how Europeans and Americans invented slavery. And the Bush administration invented torture. To the left, the west created the problems in Africa. We'll have to pay for it, after they get their cut.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 17, 2016 9:13 AM  

Ouch.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat August 17, 2016 9:16 AM  

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Blogger Kentucky Packrat August 17, 2016 9:16 AM  

The original aid agencies and missionaries worked on helping people's souls first, and then met physical needs as they could. When they did that, they left (at least some) people with a Christian moral system that could deal with the higher standard of resources.

The Enemy had a one-two punch to that success. To the West, he convinced most of us that you can't convert the starving and deprived, and that we should bring the material goods first. Once the material needs are met, THEN convert them (and of course, it's never really met). The aid distorts markets and trashes what work there is.

On the second front, Islam is ravaging the continent. The culture and religious mindset has never really advanced from the desert warlord mindset Mohammed instilled upon it.

Blogger Josh August 17, 2016 9:17 AM  

Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans from dying of starvation.

That's an absurd statement.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 17, 2016 9:17 AM  

More than a billion will die.

How many of them will die in Europe or North America? The answer to that question rests on how much longer this "Invite the World" insanity runs.

Malthus will have his day. The only relevant questions are:
1. When?
2. Where?
3. How many?

The Dirt Ain't Magic. If a billion Africans overrun the West, all that will happen is that a billion people who can't feed themselves in a cold climate will starve once they successfully eliminate those who were adapted by thousands of years of natural selection to the behaviors necessary for cold-climate survival.

OTOH, this might be a perfect answer to the Somali's overrunning St. Paul, MN.

Blogger Nick S August 17, 2016 9:17 AM  

"The best thing that could happen to africa is Colonialism... and THEN time."

No. The best solution, of course, is to grant everyone refugee status and import them to our already civilized societies where we can care for them and ensure their rapid transition. /sarc

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni August 17, 2016 9:21 AM  

Gee, and I thought Africa was depopulated because of AIDS that the West caused and failed to supply enough billions to cure? You don't mean that Duisberg was right and AIDS is really only the symptoms of hard drug use (for sodomites) and the hellish stew of indigenous diseases for Africans, made out to be AIDS to put the blame on the West? Nah.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 17, 2016 9:25 AM  

That's an absurd statement.

Not at all. Two billion engineered deaths exceed 100 million engineered deaths, and it's irrelevant if the instrument of death is gulags/Lagers or irresponsible humanitarianism.

PA

Anonymous VFM 6016 August 17, 2016 9:25 AM  

Vox, what is your view on Christian missionaries to places such as Africa? Every church I've been in has at least some African outreach, most recently in the form of a hospital that was built in hopes of spreading the gospel with patients. All the doctors are Western, though the nurses are primarily native. Do you see that sort of model working in the long run?

Blogger Mountain Man August 17, 2016 9:27 AM  

This is hard stuff to read..yet because it is logically sound its near impossible to stop reading it.

I come from a "conservative" christian family where virtue signaling is alive and well by some family members . (Mission trips to Africa, even a couple of adopted african children by a family member etc...)
The longer I read this blog the more Ive become convinced of the lunacy of such behavior by westerners.

We are called by Scripture to practice charity to those in need - but this shouldn't involve allowing ourselves to be walked all over and abused. Nor should it involve wholesale destruction of our culture in the interest of being accommodating

Anonymous Forrest Bishop August 17, 2016 9:27 AM  

The Green Revolution isn't the only factor behind increased crop yields. All vegetation (biomass per unit area), not just crops, is increasing around the world, and particularly in sub-saharan Africa. See map page 8, of my fantastic new paper-
https://www.scribd.com/document/319906948/The-Solution-to-the-Ice-Age-Extinctions
http://www.thegwpf.com/28155/
http://burtrutan.com/downloads/EngrCritiqueCAGW-v4o3.pdf

Something like one-half of the improvement in crop yields is due to the increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, an accelerating trend.

So Henry Ford, James Watt, Cummins, Bessemer, and the other pioneers of the Industrial Revolution also have to be given their fair share of the blame for the greening of the Earth. Borlaugh passed away in 2009, apparently oblivious to this new reality.

Anonymous TLM August 17, 2016 9:34 AM  

We must help preserve the current situation in Africa so the virtue signalers have something to post on FB.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 17, 2016 9:35 AM  

@33 Shame on you for noticing a Narrative.
I wish I had a nickel for every headline from 20 years ago informing us that by 2010 Africa would be one big ghost town due to AIDS.

@10 Related is the relief industry in Hatti and Africa. I wonder if you've seen "Poverty Inc."

AIDS, anti-poverty programs (domestic and foreign), GloBull Warming, the Oil Crisis, the list goes on and on.

When will people EVER figure out that all of these sub-Narratives headlining the NYT/WaPo/HuffPo/BoGlo, ABCNNBCBS, et.al. were always and WILL ALWAYS BE about conning the rubes out of their money?!

If it's in the "news" it's probably a lie and will quietly be tossed into Orwell's Memory Hole once CONgress has voted to mulct the Taxpayer for whatever life the con-job came with.

AFDC, Section 8, etc., who supports all such programs more than those whose paycheck rests on administering them? The Morality Fables spun to confuse our moron neighbors are just that, fiction!

It's always been about a Narrative supporting the flow of money from the easily fooled to the mass manipulators. If a few "easily fooled" are so gullible that they board a plane to go "save the (fill in the blank)," and some of those people die agonizing deaths worse than in scenes from Hollywood slasher films, well, shit happens.

A fool and his money are soon parted. When it comes to saving the world, a fool and her life may often be parted, at the hands of the world's most vicious Snuff Film producers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/16/un-peacekeepers-in-south-sudan-turned-blind-eye-to-rape-and-abus/

Women who go to Africa to "do good" are idiots. I D I O T S.

Blogger Mountain Man August 17, 2016 9:36 AM  

The green revolution is extremely Fragile. When it ends, which is inevitable, it will end with a gigantic bang - followed by worldwide famine..

As for the colored in northern climates ( Somalians in Minn/Maine etc..)- Once the welfare runs out ( which it will) and we enter a mini ice -age ( which is bing predicted) their lack of basic survival skills coupled with an inability to synthesize Vitamin D from the minimal amount of sun founding these locations will result in their inability to survive.

Anonymous 5343 August 17, 2016 9:38 AM  

Josh wrote:Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans from dying of starvation.

That's an absurd statement.


Aw, c'mon Josh, you know he paints with a broad brush at times, but he's essentially correct. If you must microparse that, how about "The 20th century individual who stands to have been responsible for its single most negative outcome"?

Anonymous TLM August 17, 2016 9:38 AM  

Almost forgot, we must never do anything to jeopardize Operation Christmas Child. It is the gateway drug of churchian charities that is designed to get your suburban middle class white kids hooked for future 'mission' work.

Anonymous Gecko August 17, 2016 9:39 AM  

I can't disagree with much of the above. However, the question that still seems to linger for me - and, I assume, other Christians among us - is how to reconcile this with the Great Commission.

Obviously, material charity is not a necessary part of making disciples, and material charity seems to be what is doing much of the harm. How do we take it from there?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 17, 2016 9:40 AM  

Ship all left leaning college grads to Africa for 4 years of Peace Corps work. Even if only a portion actually "see the elephant" or die, it may prove a useful exposure to reality. I was going to exempt leftist females only because they regularly confirm they have no agency and need to be treated like children, but they are also most prone to willful denial of reality.

I dunno. Rape victims in Sweden and Germany sometimes refuse to describe their Muslim and/or black rapists out of fear identification will cause Islamaphobia or racism. Maybe if we sent them to sub-Saharan Africa and didn't bring them back would work.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 17, 2016 9:43 AM  

I don't like to go to STATES where I can't be legally prepared to protect myself. Leaving the country for a vacation practically requires self-medication to accept being incapable of serious self-defense for a few days' time.

I simply cannot imagine the level of ignorant, self-destructive stupidity necessary to go to a war-torn, strife-filled cesspool teeming with heavily armed, violent men and do so without firepower that would dwarf whatever the locals could field.

"13 Hours," indeed. You couldn't get me to places like that UNLESS I had 24-7 coverage from multiple, armed Reapers and a bunch of "friends" with thermal-sighted, scoped rifles.

All this redefines pathological altruism to me. No wonder the SJW's are hell-bent on destroying us; destroying themselves (being raped and vivisected) in the service of their false sense of moral superiority doesn't bother them one tiny bit.

Blogger Gunnar Thalweg August 17, 2016 9:44 AM  

When the U.S. torched off the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, many people realized the world was now different. Human nature has a 100 percent track record of using weapons it invents. But this weapon could not be used widely in a world that wants to continue to exist. In effect, the most civilized nations in our world has to make another leap of civilization against our human nature, and do so immediately, and not use these weapons. To this day, we are bucking human nature ... and we know it. We are demanding a new level of maturity on the human race, despite a diverse group of people in terms of race, ethnicity and religion possessing these weapons. It's a technology versus civilizational maturity issue.

In Africa, the base level problem is something that is a real-world example of what Heartiste explained in terms of game. The people in Africa are promiscuous at levels only seen in the West in urban homosexual communities. Civilization is only sustainable in places where there is regulation of sex, through monogamous marriage, supported by the community and families. That's it. Anything else and the civilization breaks down. It's hard to explain to a western the utter chaos of relationships there.

The answer to Africa is first to create a culture of monogamous marriage. Then we'll talk about anything else.

In the meantime, western technology, such as medicine, vaccinations and agriculture, accelerates population growth past their cultural sustainability. That creates a dilemma.

I cannot be the one to tell someone they can't have medicine, they can't have food, and they can't have a vaccine against disease. Anyone who wants to complain about the surplus population is welcome to go to Africa and tell someone to their face why they can't have help.

And conversely, anyone who wants to virtue signal by mocking those who bring up legitimate points about the barbarism in Africa are welcome to go to the villages and experience Africa first-hand.

My own sense is that we cannot deny food and medicine, but we don't have to allow immigration -- any. If we assist in Africa, have a very light footprint.

And even then, keep expectations low.

And for the record, the Africans I met were wonderful people. But I wouldn't want them in my neighborhood, or voting in my elections.

My two cents.

Blogger Dexter August 17, 2016 9:47 AM  

"don't you think that by 2100 most of Western society will have instituted ironclad borders to deal with the threat of such invaders? "

I really hope we live in this idyllic dream world, because it means all the liberals and cucks have been shot.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 17, 2016 9:48 AM  

@40 Mountain Man,
As for the colored in northern climates ( Somalians in Minn/Maine etc..)- Once the welfare runs out ( which it will) and we enter a mini ice -age ( which is bing predicted) their lack of basic survival skills coupled with an inability to synthesize Vitamin D from the minimal amount of sun founding these locations will result in their inability to survive.

It won't take that long. The Somali's will go Full Locust on St. Paul, and then head into the hinterlands for more...where they'll run into the people my son visits around Memorial Day each year to play paintball, shoot tannerite, and generally go Tarzan.

Those rural Minnesotans will play Three S's for a few days and the problem will be as though it never existed.

Blogger Salt August 17, 2016 9:52 AM  

Africa is rich in natural resources. Nothing has stopped the indigenous people from building whatever they want. Nothing stops them from growing food. So many have been educated in the west.

What is their problem?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 17, 2016 9:53 AM  

Knew a guy who did his two years of PC in West Africa back in the 70s, spent his time gaming the currency exchange, saved up enough to go to Costa Rica for a few years of surfing, had legs like Tom Platz. He said it was a waste and his team did nothing and nothing was expected of them.

Something called Water for the World is another scam that a couple of buds have been roped into, and I got tired of answering how to do off the grid type wells I finally told them I will only help if they put birth control in the water.

Blogger tz August 17, 2016 9:54 AM  

US & UN Peacekeepers Did Nothing as US Aid Workers were Raped, Beaten, Shot Right Next to Them

Virtue Signalling is not evangelism. The French priests in early North America converted few Natives but they tried. Even colonial Africa. You cannot convert with candy. You need the holy spirit and a willing, repentant convert.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 17, 2016 9:55 AM  

MY "UPDATE" of what Steve Sailer calls "the world's most important graph."

PA

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 17, 2016 9:56 AM  

Since Jews want to heal the world why don't they saddle up and head to Africa? And since blacks in America are always lecturing us low caste types of their moral superiority why don't they head to Africa?

Blogger tz August 17, 2016 9:57 AM  

China is doing it differently, when they need African resources, they move in a Chinatown.

Anonymous Laz August 17, 2016 9:58 AM  

Point in question: Do those population figures account for the millions of Chinese in Africa?

Blogger VD August 17, 2016 10:01 AM  

That's an absurd statement.

The fact that you can't grasp that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions does not speak well of your intellectual capabilities.

Blogger Mountain Man August 17, 2016 10:03 AM  

dc. sunsets

Good point. Im one of the types your son hangs out with. Lived my whole life in northern Maine. Theres a bunch of us up here who are willing to subject any looter to a wall of metal - would that day arrive

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 17, 2016 10:08 AM  

Once we put our virtue signaling women and their orbiters in their places white men will have free reign, the women and the rest of the world will rejoice.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 17, 2016 10:09 AM  

I still say that medical aid was the biggest mistake for Africa, because we send medications there and get drug resistant diseases & more blacks in return as they know better than the doctors who tell them to take the full amount, then sell the remaining pills they got for free on the black market. Mother nature also whips up diseases white mans medicine can't cure in response like AIDS,Ebola ect.

I wonder if you've seen "Poverty Inc." and what your thoughts were

From just seeing the trailer it might be good to show the normies, but the book The Crisis Caravan goes deep into the money paints a bleak picture of how your money gets spent. 90% of the money given stays in the HQ building in the 1st world, of the 10% that makes it to Africa 90% goes to things other than charity like 5 star hotels in every 3rd world nation just for AID leaders+ hookers. It also explains that they just give the aid to "warlords" to hand out & warlords will destroy wells white people build that are in areas they can't control.

Anonymous Teapartydoc August 17, 2016 10:11 AM  

I lived in Rhodesia before it turned into Hell. Parents were missionaries. My advice to people is to stay the heck away from Africa.

Blogger Orville August 17, 2016 10:13 AM  

Heh. At first I though you were talking about Wal-Mart.

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Anonymous Silly but True August 17, 2016 10:15 AM  

RE: Drose / Poverty, Inc.

If anyone remembers Marvel Comics' "Heroes for Hope" 1985 one-shot to raise awareness of hunger in Africa (aka XMen stop world hunger): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_for_Hope

Then editor-in-chief Jim Shooter gave the real story of behind the scenes and why Marvel couldn't trust then sacked Oxfam: http://jimshooter.com/2011/09/heroes-for-hope-and-why-i-dont-like.html/

Silly but True

Blogger pyrrhus August 17, 2016 10:17 AM  

Africa won't keep growing if we don't keep giving them our food and, implicitly, our water. No action in Africa can feed itself...

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 17, 2016 10:18 AM  

If you must microparse that

Rulers are necessary; do-gooders aren't.

Mother Teresa had no children.

Blogger Orville August 17, 2016 10:21 AM  

@43 I can't disagree with much of the above. However, the question that still seems to linger for me - and, I assume, other Christians among us - is how to reconcile this with the Great Commission.

I was a member for years at a church that was very missions oriented. I hate to be cynical about it, but in many churches missions is just another scheme to get the sheeple involved and donating, and not so much focused on the great commission.

That said, some of the great missionaries of the past took life threatening risks. I see nothing wrong with that, but sending mission groups that are basically tourists out to some of these hell holes is very irresponsible.

Blogger pyrrhus August 17, 2016 10:21 AM  

Africa is nothing but expensive, worse than useless virtue signaling on steroids...

Blogger Escoffier August 17, 2016 10:22 AM  

Kentucky Packrat wrote:The original aid agencies and missionaries worked on helping people's souls first, and then met physical needs as they could. When they did that, they left (at least some) people with a Christian moral system that could deal with the higher standard of resources.


This! We are to preach the Gospel not put pants on savages. I was struck by this in my reading this week from Romans 15..."25 Now, however, I am on my way to Jerusalem in the service of the Lord’s people there. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the Lord’s people in Jerusalem."

A simple test for the worthiness of an outreach effort is this: is the object of the exercise to save their souls or to save them from the affliction of being (say) a Somali?

Somebody asked the other day why Black Churchianity seem so completely ridiculous. I was reminded of a piece I read in which Churchian cuckstians where lamenting the open sewage; shanty huts; grinding poverty of Haiti to which this worthy responded 'this is what a 67 iq looks like.'

Isn't this the exact same thing? Do we think that even sharing the Gospel with them will cure their low IQ? I'm not saying it won't make a real difference, it will, but I think we should be extremely cautious thinking that our job is to make them nice White people.

I believe that when Christianity becomes universal it also inexorably becomes genocidal. I believe it is meant for small homogenous communities. This is where it flourishes.

I obviously am not talking about the principles of Christianity but how the body expresses itself physically on this planet.



Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum August 17, 2016 10:23 AM  

Failure is one of the greatest things an individual or an entire society can go through. You learn more from your failures than from your mistakes. And preventing someone from failing is one of the worst things you can do to someone. How much do you have to hate someone to keep them from learning from their mistakes?

Imagine for a moment, Europe, 1348. The Black Death is beginning to ravage the continent. And then a bunch of modern do-gooders from China rush in with aid and food. "Don't worry, we'll help you!" Millions of peasants will be kept alive, the entire medieval system of serfs, lords, ladies, and kings will be kept intact. What would Europe look like today if that had happened?

Without the Black Death, and getting through the horrors of the Black Death, the "collective confidence" of the European people would've been in shatters. Two hundred years later, there would be no Spanish conquistadors marching through Central and South America taking down empires, there would have been no British Empire. There would be no confidence to take on the Ottomans at the Battle of Lepanto. A bunch of Puritans colonizing North America? Forget about it. There wouldn't be any sort of Martin Luther, or any Protestant reformation. The confidence for that man to stand up for what he believed in can be directly traced to the confidence that his people gained by surviving the Black Death.

Never allowing a civilization to fail and learn from their mistakes is no different from never allowing an individual to fail and learned from their own mistakes, (It is probably worse actually...) I've seen it firsthand. My parents have never let my brother, and my sister to a lesser extent, suffer any consequences for their fuck-ups. My parents have never allowed my siblings to fail. You now have adults who don't know how to fail. They think failure is the end of the world. They've never been allowed to fail (like modern Africa), they've never been allowed to learn that after failing the Earth keeps on spinning, and they can get out of that bad situation. If I have kids, when they get into their teens, and young adulthood, I will definitely let them fail. And hope they are able to learn from those experiences.

Like it or not, hundreds of millions of Africans are going to have to die. Sooner or later, and for whatever reason, the aid from all of the do-gooder nations will come to a stop, and when that happens, Africa will have to stand on its own two feet, and like the Black Death in Europe, millions will die.

Blogger Escoffier August 17, 2016 10:25 AM  

Josh wrote:Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans from dying of starvation.

That's an absurd statement.


Can you go into a little detail as to why you find this statement absurd? I agree with it but would be curious to hear the counter argument.

Anonymous rienzi August 17, 2016 10:30 AM  

35. VFM6016: "Vox, what is your view on Christian missionaries to places such as Africa?"


My parents worked as missionary support and logistics in the Papua New Guinea highlands back in the early 1980's. They went in naive and came out cynical.

My Dad cut off one missionary's supply of communion wine when he determined that the guy was using enough to have his entire congregation take communion four times every day. Most of the missionaries were there to take advantage of an indolent lifestyle that allowed them to be local big-shots with servants to do everything. As for the natives, my Dad says that until 1957 they were a bunch of bloody-minded, stone age savages, but now they're a bunch of bloody-minded, stone age savages with a veneer of Christianity a millimeter thick.

From the stories my parents told me of their life there, when I read Castalia's "Missionaries" it came across more as a documentary than a work of fiction.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 17, 2016 10:32 AM  

"90% goes to things other than charity like 5 star hotels in every 3rd world nation just for AID leaders+ hookers."

Yes. I forget who it was, but I read a book a couple of years back by a travel writer who'd spent a while travelling around Africa on the cheap, and the only effects he saw from 'save the poor starving African' charities were a lot of brand-new SUVs full of white people who wouldn't pick him up when he was hitch-hiking after the local buses broke down again, and hotels and whores raising their prices whenever the Aid Circus came to town.

I watched 'Grizzly Man' a while ago, about the guy who went to Alaska to 'protect the grizzly bears'. He looked on them as friends, they looked on him as food, and, as soon as one of them was hungry enough, it ate him. These people 'saving the Africans' are just the same, and no-one should be surprised when they get eaten.

Besides which, the whole 'saving the Africans' thing is so intensely racist. The next time I see someone try to virtue-signal with 'I'm going to Africa to build wells', I'm going to ask them why they think Africans are too stupid to dig a hole in the ground on their own.

Anonymous cheddarman August 17, 2016 10:46 AM  

Maybe the Chinese will come up with a gmo virus that kills blacks, and Africa will be the New China.

Anonymous BGKB August 17, 2016 10:47 AM  

We are called by Scripture to practice charity to those in need

There are hungry white children in the US. I was surprised when I was driving around a nice white area on a weekday I had off to see a long line of white women. I stopped to ask what the line was for thinking it might be a new apple product, only to find out it was a food pantry.

with an inability to synthesize Vitamin D from the minimal amount of sun founding these locations will result in their inability to survive.

Hopefully they will die before the ice age. Even white people need to take more vitamin D. If you are prepping for the nigapocalypse growing mushrooms (always properly identify) would be a good way. Shitake mushrooms sun dried with the gills up give the highest amount of vit d, & you can inoculate logs with it. Low Vit D plays a role in many diseases http://www.fungi.com/blog/items/place-mushrooms-in-sunlight-to-get-your-vitamin-d.html

My own sense is that we cannot deny food and medicine, but we don't have to allow immigration -- any

Deny my taxpayer money at least.

complain about the surplus population is welcome to go to Africa and tell someone to their face why they can't have help.

Do you really think anyone reading this blog is stupid enough to fly unarmed to Africa to tell people that they are too stupid to maintain wells dug by white people? I don't think I can beat up 5 niggers that jumped me when unarmed right after I used an ATM machine, like I did when I didn't look around for packs of niggers near ATMs because of EQUALITY, even if I did I would probably get more than just a black eye this time.

Blogger Unknown August 17, 2016 10:49 AM  

Gecko wrote:how to reconcile this with the Great Commission.

There are over half a billion Christians in Africa, it's safe to assume they've received the word.

Leave evangelizing in Africa to Africans.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros August 17, 2016 10:49 AM  

@20 John S
"Haven't they had the same amount of time as every other group of people on the planet? Thats the flaw I can't reconcile with "time to civilization": who civilized the first bunch?"

Living in an environment where if you don't spend half of the year gathering food that you do not currently need, your entire family starves to death; if you don't till the ground and sow and water and weed without even the immediate reward of putting food in the coffers, your entire family starves to death; if you don't build houses sturdy enough and collect enough firewood, your entire family freezes to death; and so on.

Meanwhile in Africa you can pretty much climb a tree and pick a banana year-round, and due to the natural human advantage of sweat allowing us to do persistence hunting, you don't even need to be intelligent enough to invent spears to hunt game.

Also, VD's theory includes that Christianity helped uplift the European barbarians - but we had a genetic head start well before Christianity showed up. Adversity is as eugenic as it gets.

Blogger Phelps August 17, 2016 10:52 AM  

The average IQ in Nigeria is 67.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 17, 2016 10:58 AM  

Adversity is as eugenic as it gets. Which is why the feminist man-bashing of today will forge a better man for tomorrow.

We should not be fooled by the MSM presenting the Thousand Cuck Stare as a picture of New Man. The reaction has only just begun. Wait until conditions change, and real hardship forges men like a hammer and anvil while nature culls the baby-faced boy-men favored by Managing Dykes. This, too, shall pass.

In Zombieland the fatties went first. Poor, fat Trigglypuff and her manboob amen chorus.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 17, 2016 10:58 AM  

Helping Africa is one of the very worst things any Western individual can do. Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans from dying of starvation.

By a similar token, we should declare Medicins Sans Frontieres a terrorist organization.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 17, 2016 11:00 AM  

The average IQ in Nigeria is 67.

Plus the smarter ones now emigrate to the EU or US. This used to be called a "brain drain" during the Cold War.

Leave evangelizing in Africa to Africans.

The biggest Roman Catholic cathedral is not St. Peters in Rome. It is in Lagos, Nigeria. Most Westerners can't grasp that.

A man from Uganda once told me there was no need for Americans to send Bibles to his country, because they've been printing their own in various dialects for years. He was frustrated that Americans were living in the past in this regard.

Blogger chris August 17, 2016 11:01 AM  

"The Dirt Ain't Magic. If a billion Africans overrun the West, all that will happen is that a billion people who can't feed themselves in a cold climate will starve once they successfully eliminate those who were adapted by thousands of years of natural selection to the behaviors necessary for cold-climate survival."

Let's just pray for a nuclear winter.

Blogger Jewel August 17, 2016 11:03 AM  

My nephew went to preach the gospel to the unwashed masses in Ghana. He received the gift of Malaria. Twice. He noticed the abundance of billboards, all hawking the virtues of this preacher or that preacher. He was going into a country with a glut of Protestant preachers, all with competing ministries. It was their form of entertainment...or, edifitainment.

Blogger Austin Ballast August 17, 2016 11:13 AM  

BGKB,

A lot of charity in the US is just as foolish. Just feeding people does no good. You have to deal with the root issues, but we have outlawed dealing with the root issues, so we just get temporarily fed poor people rather than people with a way to help themselves escape poverty.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros August 17, 2016 11:14 AM  

@77 dc.sunsets
"Which is why the feminist man-bashing of today will forge a better man for tomorrow."

Absolutely.
The effect of feminism is that weak men, instead of marrying a low-tier woman and having a few children, are persuaded by the cult of Procrustes that they must chop off their own... "feet," and not reproduce so as to not rob a woman of her career by oppressing her with childbearing.

Blogger ThirdMonkey August 17, 2016 11:14 AM  

My parents were agricultural missionaries to a small native tribe in Ecuador. Their method was real simple, but effective.
1. Share the Gospel
2. If no one responded, NEXT.
3. If they responded, they would help them with their livestock, most often by teaching them something.
4. If they wanted to be discipled, they would come back in a week. They didn't get the next Bible lesson or agriculture lesson unless they observed practical application of what was previously taught.
5. After a few weeks of discipleship, if the village had not shared the Gospel with another village, NEXT.

In short, if they didn't prove faithful, they didn't get anything. In three years, over 100 in-home Bible studies were started, most of which were 3rd or 4th generation from the half-dozen or so they started themselves.

If you want to have an impact for the Gospel, there has to be accountability. You can't dig wells and air-drop 50lb bags of rice and expect to change their life. Most people don't even have sense enough to wash their hands before they eat. What do you thing is going to happen when you give massive resources to people like this?

Blogger Brian S August 17, 2016 11:14 AM  

too much?

https://youtu.be/aCbfMkh940Q

Blogger Bill August 17, 2016 11:17 AM  

One other item.
You guys know that Africa has been sending Christian missionaries over here to America for the past 20 years, right?

Blogger Bill August 17, 2016 11:19 AM  

As someone pretty involved in the missions field, there is only one method that works in the Third World. One. This has been proven over the past hundred years as all other methods have failed except this one. The method is simple; find one or two local people that are receptive to the gospel, spend a few days making sure that they really understand the gospel, and are true converts. Help those one or two by continued contact, teaching, and whatever material support they need, and let THEM reach everyone else. There should never, ever, be a western face in a pulpit.

Blogger VD August 17, 2016 11:21 AM  

"Vox, what is your view on Christian missionaries to places such as Africa?"

There is more need for Christian missionaries to Europe and the Middle East. But I support spreading the Gospel everywhere. As for wells, let them dig their own holes.

Blogger VD August 17, 2016 11:21 AM  

You guys know that Africa has been sending Christian missionaries over here to America for the past 20 years, right?

And lots of Muslim missionaries too.

Blogger Austin Ballast August 17, 2016 11:24 AM  

Bill,

The danger with that is that many will claim interest to get a western sugar daddy.

My father had one of those during his brief connection with Nigeria in the late 1980s.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 17, 2016 11:24 AM  

As for 'The Great Commission' if you get called that's great; obey.

But very few people are going to be called for a mission in the Congo no matter how many squirrels get loose in revival meetings.

Blogger The Other Robot August 17, 2016 11:27 AM  

Josh wrote:Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans from dying of starvation.

That's an absurd statement.


Would you settle for the most stupid individual?

As Vox has said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and being too stupid to think about unintended consequence.

Blogger ThirdMonkey August 17, 2016 11:30 AM  

"There should never, ever, be a western face in a pulpit."

Bingo. They don't care what whitey says, but they'll listen to their cousin.

And Vox is right. Everyone is jumping over themselves to go to Africa, or China, or Latin America. Nobody wants to go to Scotland or Germany. The continent is full of beautiful empty churches. All we have to do is fill them back up.

Blogger Josh August 17, 2016 11:30 AM  

The fact that you can't grasp that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions does not speak well of your intellectual capabilities.

That's not what I'm saying.

Blogger Robert American August 17, 2016 11:31 AM  

If you guys haven't read "The Abolition of Man" by C.S. Lewis you absolutely must. He talks about this thing that us common folk call misguided compassion. Is stems from a naïve misinterpretation of the teachings of Christ.

knightsofthewest.com

Blogger Timmy3 August 17, 2016 11:31 AM  

The problem with missionary work is sending young women to barbaric foreign countries where they cannot be protected. Young women should be taught to stay home and raise families as the preferred way to do God's work. Sending women to Africa has the added challenge that they might want to have black kids.

Sending missionaries to the Middle East is no longer feasible. Even Europe is no longer safe. The better option is Asia except for China.

Anonymous Sazerac August 17, 2016 11:32 AM  

A few questions, anyone have any interactions with Ethiopia. It seems to have had a long Christian civilisation, surprising remained Christian considering all the muslim rule surrounding it. Maybe has more potential due to this than other countries in Africa. although still poor with a high fertility rate.

Kenya and Tanzania seem to be doing ok, not sure how they compare to the non-white South African areas currently, although there is a lot of Chinese investment and wealthy South Asians helping the economies there.

Also someone on the blog ages ago mentioned a book exposing the aid industry as full of useless virtue signallers and sexual predators. Anyone got the name for that book? I know a few aid worker sjws and look forward to mentioning it at the next social gathering when they start telling everyone how morally superior they are.

Blogger YIH August 17, 2016 11:32 AM  

Jim Carroll wrote:

Related is the relief industry in Hatti and Africa. I wonder if you've seen "Poverty Inc." and what your thoughts were. http://www.povertyinc.org/ It's currently on Netflix streaming.

Haven't yet, don't really need to either. I'm very aware already of ''poverty inc''.
Just remember every time you see/hear a spot for ''Help Starvin' Marvin'' or ''Help the Vets'', that is a paid ad! The TV or radio station got a chunk of what was already donated to tout that message.
As a rule, if they don't say ''AD Council'' it's a paid ad.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 17, 2016 11:36 AM  

It's amazing how many Christian women feel called to the missionary position, rather than being keepers at home.

It must be the still small tingle.

Blogger kurt9 August 17, 2016 11:41 AM  

The recent decline in sunspot activity suggests that we may be entering a repeat of the Maunder Minimum. If so, world-wide agricultural output will decline by 40-50%. Most of this decline will be in the developed countries because of their temperate climite, which will get colder. However, tropical regions such as Africa will see reduced output because they will become dryer, less rainfall means less agriculture.

This, of course, will have devastating impact on Africa and the Muslim Middle-east. The latter imports about half of its food.

Anonymous BGKB August 17, 2016 11:41 AM  

Norwegian Police chief sees the light.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/16/xenophobia-highly-rational-justified-police-chief/

book exposing the aid industry as full of useless virtue signallers and sexual predators.

"The Crisis Caravan"covers that and the part about how so many kids survived getting limbs chopped off to be charity targets when you would likely die if a black chopped off your limb in a hospital parking lot. Dominant tribes would put tourniquets on weaker tribes kids then take more of the aid money as protection money for the charities that sought them out.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 17, 2016 11:42 AM  

"You guys know that Africa has been sending Christian missionaries over here to America for the past 20 years, right?"

Hmmm, yes, 'missionaries'. And I bet once they get here, they never go back to Africa. So many white wimminz who need to be, um, evangelized. The missionary position, as it were, is a permanent one. Or maybe they prefer Goddy-style.

But the other point is well taken. Northern Europe was converted by Northern Europeans, the Eastern Med by Eastern Mediterraneans, and so on. Africa should be evangelized by Africans. We've got more than enough work to do RE-evangelizing white Westerners who have wandered astray.

Anonymous The Lurker in Darkness August 17, 2016 11:43 AM  

Tom Russell has a song about a man who goes to Africa and comes to a bad end that would fit this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ha_4kpT3IU

The Lurker in Darkness

Anonymous Sazerac August 17, 2016 11:45 AM  

Timmy3: China is fairly safe for foreign women, assuming they associate with Whites and Chinese. In terms of the government, I have met some Americans and locals doing missionary work there and they seem to be watched but generally left alone if they follow the unsaid rules.

That being said, Christianity is growing fairly quickly in China through local spread or people coming back from overseas. Even had locals on the plane next to me start up topics regarding it. Interestingly I know some Chinese nationalist types that maintain their strong local customs, have strong respect for Buddhism but chose to get married in a Church with Christian vowels.

Anonymous Sazerac August 17, 2016 11:47 AM  

Thanks BGKB

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 11:47 AM  

"A man from Uganda once told me there was no need for Americans to send Bibles to his country, because they've been printing their own in various dialects for years."

The Septuagint was written in Africa. Koine Greek is an African dialect.

And Jesus actually went to Africa.

Blogger Tom K. August 17, 2016 11:52 AM  

It's easy to forget sometimes that ignorant and stupid people can read this blog, too.

They were saved from starvation only to be slaughtered in war.

Anonymous fred August 17, 2016 11:52 AM  

IIRC, "Africa" in those days just meant what we now call Libya. The concept of "Africa" as a continent didn't exist, it was just Egypt, Ethiopia, etc. Besides, at the time, North Africa was largely white and Romanized.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 17, 2016 11:58 AM  

VFM 6016 wrote:Vox, what is your view on Christian missionaries to places such as Africa? Every church I've been in has at least some African outreach, most recently in the form of a hospital that was built in hopes of spreading the gospel with patients. All the doctors are Western, though the nurses are primarily native. Do you see that sort of model working in the long run?

Can't answer for Vox, but my thought is that a Christian's first thought should be for souls, not bodies. Providing anything more thsn knowlege for self-help produces rice-christians.

Medical efforts should probably be limited to teaching the locals to wash their hands, to boil their water and to give clean, starchy, salty water to children with diarrhea.Those could all be done with local resources in the absence of the medical missionaries, if only the locals were capable of understanding the need, and if only they were willing to bother to save themselves and their children.

Blogger Sam Lively August 17, 2016 12:12 PM  

I don't see any workable definition of evil that ranks indirect potential consequences of an at least initially benevolent act (creating more food) over direct acts of mass murder.

By this logic if overturning Roe v. Wade produced a massive population explosion among black and Hispanic populations in the US, would that be an evil act too?

Blogger Tom K. August 17, 2016 12:15 PM  

Back in the 80s, Esquire sent a reporter to Africa to learn why AIDS is Heterosexual disease on Africa but a gay disease in the US/West.

His conclusion: Africans are sexually as promiscuous as Western gays in a Bathhouse, with the average African having heyerosexual sex as often as six to ten times a week!

The average white heterosexual encounters a week? Zero to three times.

An African can driver asked the reporter, "Don't you people like sex?"

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade August 17, 2016 12:18 PM  

This mirrors what I've been saying for sometime now. When man thinks he knows better than nature, he just makes things worse. Oh look! There's 100,000 people who are going to starve to death in Africa because they can't sustain themselves, let's feed them! Now the problem is exasperated because millions will starve to death if we don't keep feeding them because their ability to sustain themselves hasn't gotten any better.

Anonymous #8601 August 17, 2016 12:22 PM  

@36 Mountain Man - We are called by Scripture to practice charity to those in need - but this shouldn't involve allowing ourselves to be walked all over and abused. Nor should it involve wholesale destruction of our culture in the interest of being accommodating

"It's not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs" - Jesus Christ

Via "Cuckservative" by Vox Day and Johnny Red Eagle

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 12:24 PM  

@108:

The Egyptians claimed to have circumnavigated Africa (it took three years) in the time of Plato.

Ethiopia was just as black then as it is now and was one of the first centers of Christianity.

The point is that the first "Christian missionary" to Africa was Jesus Christ. Much of Europe did not Christianize for several hundred years after the birth of Christ.

Africa has always been equipped to handle its own apostolic issues. It is not a European man's burden.

Blogger Tom K. August 17, 2016 12:26 PM  

Back in the 80s, Esquire sent a reporter to Africa to learn why AIDS is Heterosexual disease on Africa but a gay disease in the US/West.

His conclusion: Africans are sexually as promiscuous as Western gays in a Bathhouse, with the average African having heyerosexual sex as often as six to ten times a week!

The average white heterosexual encounters a week? Zero to three times.

An African can driver asked the reporter, "Don't you people like sex?"

Blogger John Williams August 17, 2016 12:27 PM  

@Forrest Bishop, One only has to look at the Congressional & UN testimonies on YouTube to realize tho globalists are behind climate change. It was done to foster plant growth, though mold & insect populations have also boomed. The climate altering technology has advanced to the point the HAARP array is obsolete & is done.

Blogger Rotten August 17, 2016 12:48 PM  

The Africa policies that are in effect now are toxic and will cause a future World War.

Hillary Clinton, as documented in Clinton Cash, was personally taking money from war profiteers who started or funded wars to cheaply acquire resources. Meanwhile, the humanitarian aid simply enables African reproductive rates of 6 children per woman.

What's really needs to be done with Africa is that the western businessmen profiting from starting constant wars need to be sent to jail. Secondly, humanitarian aid needs to come in the form of jobs and investments, rather than food and mosquito blankets.

60 minutes did a piece on some fracking company that drilled a deep well to give a dying oasis town another 80 years of water. How dumb is that? Instead of 50k people having to move shortly, at current population growth, 800k people will have to move in the future. Where will these people migrate to, and will their migration cause wars?

Africa has a chance to survive the coming Malthusian population squeeze on its own, without starting a world war or simply overrunning the rest of the world, if it has undergone the industrial revolution by 2100.

The effects of industrial revolution, including adjusting the population to city life, working on a schedule, and raising kids in a costly environment, could ameliorate the worst problems of Africa.

In fact, I'm fairly certain that most of today's African leaders would prefer investments instead of medicines.

Blogger pdwalker August 17, 2016 12:50 PM  

@94 ok Josh, I'll bite.

What did you mean? Why do you state that VD's comment was absurd? Explain it to me so I don't have to guess.

Blogger Mr. Naron August 17, 2016 12:56 PM  

It's a good book. I enjoyed it. Probably the first work of fiction I've finished in five years.

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade August 17, 2016 12:56 PM  

I love how everyone's great ideas to help Africa always boil down to white people doing something about it or the Africans magically shifting their IQ's and time preferences to more closely match those of white people.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 17, 2016 12:57 PM  

Oops?

Blogger Noah B August 17, 2016 12:58 PM  

@120 If we just make our feelz strong enough, anything is possible.

Blogger dvdivx August 17, 2016 1:03 PM  

White women who go to Africa are nearly looking for black dick. If they get killed it just saves the world of their enviable mudshark spawn. I find it ironic that missionaries would rather go to Africa then try and save their neighbors or even just go to a different part of their state. Its not about saving people at all, its just about serving your own pride.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 17, 2016 1:03 PM  

The Africa policies that are in effect now are toxic and will cause a future World War.

Funny you should bring that up...
Wikipedia: Second Congo War

Blogger VFM #7634 August 17, 2016 1:07 PM  

IOW, Africa's population density is now high enough that it can sustain large-scale intra-African wars. It has turned into a powder keg waiting to blow. The Second Congo War was peanuts compared to what's coming.

Blogger Bill August 17, 2016 1:11 PM  

And lots of Muslim missionaries too.

Yeah, one spoke at the DNC.

Blogger Tom K. August 17, 2016 1:16 PM  

You want to see the virtue signaling of the White Man's Burden that brainwashed an entire generation?

Check out Star Trek: TOS!

Everywhere the Enterprise went they brought the joys and benefits of White Federation Civilization. And if you thought different and were being bad to your minorities, the phaser banks of the Enterprise were there to show you the error of your ways!

Every one of Kirk's end-of-show denouement speeches was the white man telling the savages they were wrong and the Great White Father was Right.

But that was still just ONE of the brainwashings we youngsters got growing up in the 60s.

Blogger David Power August 17, 2016 1:18 PM  

3 United States..........321.8m ---- 1 China..............1,376.0m
9 Russia......................143.4m ---- 2 India.............. 1,311.0m
16 Germany .................80.7m ---- 4 Indonesia........257.0m
21 United Kingdom.......64.7m ---- 5 Brazil...............207.8m
31 Ukraine.....................44.6m ---- 6 Pakistan..........189.0m
22 France..................... 64.4m ---- 7 Nigeria.............182.2m
38 Canada....................36.0m ---- 8 Bangladesh......161.0m
53 Australia................. .24.0m ---- 10 Mexico.............127.0m
66 Netherlands..............17.0m ---- 11 Japan..............126.5m
80 Belgium....................11.3m ---- 12 Philippines.......100.7m
87 Czech Republic.......10.5m ---- 13 Ethiopia.............99.4m
90 Sweden.....................9.8m ---- 14 Vietnam.............93.4m
91 Hungary.....................9.9m ---- 15 Egypt.................91.5m
96 Austria.......................8.5m ---- 17 Iran.....................79.1m
97 Switzerland...............8.3m ---- 18 D.R.Congo.........77.3m
114 Denmark..................5.7m ---- 19 Turkey.................78.7m
115 Finland.................... 5.5m ---- 20 Thailand..............68.0m



If the UN 2015 statistics put the total world population at 7,432.7m, and the total population of the 24 traditionally white nations is roughly 0,888.7m, and you calculate that roughly 30% of those nations populations are now non-white, what percentage of the world's population is white?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 17, 2016 1:26 PM  

@4 Jim Carroll

Related is the relief industry in Hatti and Africa. I wonder if you've seen "Poverty Inc." and what your thoughts were. http://www.povertyinc.org/ It's currently on Netflix streaming.
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If you haven't seen Clinton Cash, here is a link set to the part about Haiti.

https://youtu.be/7LYRUOd_QoM?t=16m40s

The entire movie covers other african nations and topics as well. If you haven't seen it, please do.

Anonymous Laz August 17, 2016 1:26 PM  

@Rotten: Nobody invests in American ghetto's, why do you think anyone would invest in a continental size ghetto?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 17, 2016 1:26 PM  

Africa's population density is now high enough that it can sustain large-scale intra-African wars.

What would any given African state go to war with another state over? Most of the African wars all the way back to the 1950's seem to have been civil wars of some sort. Tanzania invaded Uganda to take out Idi Amin but that wasn't much of a war.

Resources? Africa is rich in all sorts of resources that are barely tapped, and the Chinese are the latest outsiders to show up.

Population pressure?

As long as the EU exists as a kind of safety valve, is that likely?

Blogger Tom K. August 17, 2016 1:29 PM  

My generation of witnesses and missionaries was taught if the people didn't respond with faith and discipleship it was because WE were doing something wrong. We were taught that the lost were just WAITING to hear and respond to the Gospel, if only we TOLD IT RIGHT.

To see that the Bible said no such thing was easy. But to accept that the great masses didn't WANT the Gospel was almost too discouraging.

PLUS, when you out the blame for "failure" on the messenger you actually reinforce his commitment! He wants to keep trying until he gets it "right".

Unfortunately, the "right" message is the modern Gospel of peace and prosperity without obedience because THAT'S what people will respond to.

Blogger Matt August 17, 2016 1:40 PM  

Definitely no safety valve. Africa's projected increase in population over the next 50 years or so is larger than the entire current population of Europe.

Blogger Natalie August 17, 2016 1:42 PM  

UGH! Blogger ate my comment.

RE: women missionaries in Africa -

I think calling "tingles" is pretty simplistic. Go to any youth retreat or conference and there will be an emotionally hyped, sugar and caffeine fueled "Here I am - send me!" moment in which young people are encouraged to think of and view themselves as missionaries in some capacity. This is the vision of "sold out Christianity" presented for them. Young people aren't given sober and heartening encouragement to live as honorable men and women who do their duty and live well in their communities. Instead there are parades of missionaries, motivational speakers, and others who have "given it all for Christ" in some capacity that primarily DOESN'T involve having a family with four kids and tithing regularly. Some of these people on stage do that, but that's not what they are selling.

So you have women hyped up on sugar, sleep deprivation (because who sleeps at youth camp?), and being told that giving your best to the Lord means going to some third world country and risking everything to "share the love of God." I think many of these women genuinely feel that this is what they're supposed to do and that "God will provide" and cite stories of husbands met on the mission field as proof that women need to go to Ethiopia in order to find a man who grew up two states over.

I've have two kids, and we're praying for more. Childbearing is one of the most sacrificial things you can do with your body. Even in the first world women still die in childbirth, and even a smooth pregnancy and delivery involves sacrificially giving over your body to someone else's good. You want to be a hero? Look at all the aches and pains of pregnancy, the work of birth and recovery, the sleepless nights, the anxiety, the physical marks that will be left on your body, the work you'll have to do to regain your figure and sexual vitality. Look at all that and then think about smelling the heaven that is newborn baby head and say to yourself "Eh - it's a pretty good bargain at that." That's being a hero (for a woman), but women aren't TOLD that. They don't have moms of large families paraded past. The youth group doesn't host presentations with the elder's family who has seen 4 children come up strong and now has 10 grandchildren and counting.

Nope! They get presentations of teens "just like them" who "left it all behind" "who counted themselves for naught for the sake of the Gospel" and who "went out into the world." I've even seen books that talked about the parental disapproval some of the these women experienced, but they parents are always the people who "don't get it."

That's what young people (insofar as I've seen) are being sold. It's not so much tingles as purpose and vision. Raising your own family? Meh - anyone can do that. Taking care of African villagers? "Oh, you precious sweet, strong, brave young woman! How can I pray for you?"

Blogger Doom August 17, 2016 1:48 PM  

Well, look. I agree. Repatriate and blockade. Seriously. However, that they outlaw ddt for these countries, encourage the savagery, send in UN "peace-keepers" who are known to rape as much as the natives, and all else they do? This is fodder for breaching their mental safe-spaces. Use their own actions, and the consequences, as a battering ram against their vaunted high-ground security. Tear it down. You can't be a "good guy" if you are brutalizing those "noble savages". Who don't know the difference, or care, just waiting their turn.

As to anyone who goes over there to do good? Better, as with fighting muslims, there than here. Hell, I'll write out a decent check each year to help get as many do-gooders where they can do all the good their ignorant little hearts desire. I actually think, other than than the raped to death part, part of their hope is go surrender some of their "white privilege". They just don't realize that it won't be anything like their marxist and feminist and churchian theorists present. Good damned riddance. She should have been married, at home, having children at that age. No loss to society, one less drag, in time, on "safety nets".

Blogger Were-Puppy August 17, 2016 1:57 PM  

@61 Orville
Heh. At first I though you were talking about Wal-Mart.

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I've got some knowledge of what that article is talking about. It really is unbelievable the things that people try to do shoplifting. Some of it can happen even before it ever reaches a store, in the distribution process.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 17, 2016 2:18 PM  

@72 cheddarman
Maybe the Chinese will come up with a gmo virus that kills blacks, and Africa will be the New China.
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There Will Be War X - Seven Kill Tiger
short story covers this very topic

Anonymous BGKB August 17, 2016 2:23 PM  

@Rotten: Nobody invests in American ghetto's, why do you think anyone would invest in a continental size ghetto?

The Chinese are willing to kill off every black in Africa for the resources.

Blogger Latigo3 August 17, 2016 2:23 PM  

Anyone here remember the Feed the World song from Band Aid in the 80's. I remember reading an article about the disaster that this thing turned into.
The Secular Utopia isn't going to turn out quite the way most of these idiots thought it would

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 17, 2016 2:30 PM  

Definitely no safety valve.

Looks like a safety valve for now.

Africa's projected increase in population over the next 50 years or so is larger than the entire current population of Europe.

Yes, I know. But what would lead Nigeria to make war upon Cameroon or Benin, just for example? Resources? Arable land? Africa as a continent doesn't have to feed itself, not yet anyway. The slave market is rather small nowadays, so that's out. Just not seeing any thing likely to drive a real inter-state war in Africa, not yet.

As for the population projections, a wise man once said it's very difficult to make predictions, especially about the future. UN population projections in the 1960's and 1970's turned out to be overestimates. There are several mechanisms for Africa's population growth to slow, although most are pretty ugly.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 17, 2016 2:44 PM  

@134 Bella Natalie.

Blogger Bard August 17, 2016 3:05 PM  

Our BDE has an African mission this entire year. All over the country to "advise and assist". Trust me, big trouble is brewing there.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros August 17, 2016 3:08 PM  

@140 Paradigm
"There are several mechanisms for Africa's population growth to slow, although most are pretty ugly."

My money's on the good, old-fashioned, African-style genocide via cannibal rape orgies.

Blogger Josh August 17, 2016 3:24 PM  

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/01/forgotten-benefactor-of-humanity/306101/

Perhaps more than anyone else, Borlaug is responsible for the fact that throughout the postwar era, except in sub-Saharan Africa, global food production has expanded faster than the human population, averting the mass starvations that were widely predicted — for example, in the 1967 best seller Famine -- 1975! The form of agriculture that Borlaug preaches may have prevented a billion deaths.

If the green revolution prevented a billion deaths by raising food production, except for sub Saharan Africa, those billion deaths prevented were largely non African...

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 3:27 PM  

"My money's on the good, old-fashioned, African-style genocide via cannibal rape orgies."

I think twenty'll get ya ten on that bet.

Blogger Joshua_D August 17, 2016 3:30 PM  

Subbing

Blogger SirHamster August 17, 2016 3:31 PM  

Josh wrote:Perhaps more than anyone else, Borlaug is responsible for the fact that throughout the postwar era, except in sub-Saharan Africa, global food production has expanded faster than the human population, averting the mass starvations that were widely predicted — for example, in the 1967 best seller Famine -- 1975! The form of agriculture that Borlaug preaches may have prevented a billion deaths.

If the green revolution prevented a billion deaths by raising food production, except for sub Saharan Africa, those billion deaths prevented were largely non African...


Assuming that deaths were only prevented in places that improved their own food production. But we know that aid goes to Africa, and we know that the African population is growing faster than its food supply growth, and we know that Africa has the highest population growth in the world.

Needs further analysis.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 3:32 PM  

Helping Africa is one of the very worst things any Western individual can do. Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans from dying of starvation.

It's not right by any measure to call a man evil simply because the recipients of his charity made stupid choices. Foolhardy possibly, lacking foresight, sure.

If the only measure of morality is the outcome, then every mistake that causes (or even accidentally contributes to) unforeseen harm, however far in the future, is an act of outright evil.

Evil is judged by intent. I can find no other way to see it.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 3:33 PM  

Thought experiment: If Borlaug had just done his thing, teaching a man to fish in Africa, and the rest of the Western world had stopped all the stupid virtue-signaling interference with free food and whatnot, and had stopped accepting refugees and immigrants by the millions, then the Africa problem would NOT be the western world's problem.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 3:36 PM  

Believe me, on the greater question of Western intervention in Africa, I am agreed.

I watched a documentary about a decade ago where educated black Africans were being interviewed about the foreign aid situation. Every single one of them implored the West "please, stop sending aid. It only makes us poorer."

One of the worst side-effects of the West's addiction to philanthropy is that it ruins small businessmen in the target countries. How can you run a small grocery store when someone is handing out food for free in your town?

Blogger Nate August 17, 2016 3:38 PM  

Seems to me that teaching africans to feed themselves in africa makes them less likely to come to europe.

Fix the problem there so the problem doesn't make its way here.

Note.. we're not talking about foreign aid here. Governent aid does tons of harm... and no good what-so-ever...

But teaching africans to farm and creating sustainable systems in africa is a wise move long term.

Though granted... Colonialism is a wiser one.

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 3:39 PM  

"Evil is judged by intent."

The Rape of Nanking was intended to aid Chinese animals to be reincarnated as human beings.

Blogger Noah B August 17, 2016 3:41 PM  

@149 It's not right by any measure to call a man evil simply because the recipients of his charity made stupid choices. Foolhardy possibly, lacking foresight, sure.

Stupidity and evil are often indistinguishable from one another.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 3:42 PM  

@kfg, I'm looking at things in the light of Christian, Biblical morality. Directly violating a Biblical moral prohibition is evil intent. I care not for Chinese reincarnation.

Blogger Sheila4g August 17, 2016 3:45 PM  

@134 Natalie: Well said. You're spot on; they're selling these young girls on visions and mystical feelings of being anointed for something SPECIAL, because marrying and having children is just so boring and ordinary. God couldn't possibly want them to merely do what their mothers did, he wants them to give of themselves MORE, to give the ultimate. That's the churchian manifesto: Loving your neighbor = sacrificing yourself for the other.

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 3:47 PM  

"But teaching africans to farm and creating sustainable systems in africa . . ."

. . . would have prevented humanity from going extinct there tens of thousands of years ago.

"Carrying capacity" does not mean "unlimited food."

Blogger Bill August 17, 2016 3:49 PM  

@nate
But teaching africans to farm and creating sustainable systems in africa is a wise move long term.

Yeah, good luck with that. If your tractors needs a spare part your village dies. If an irrigation pump fails your village dies. If your fertilizer shipment is late your village dies. If you're successful and the neighboring warlord raids your supplies your village dies.

I'd stay the course of dragging a stick behind a water buffalo. It's safer.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 3:52 PM  

@154 we cannot always know the heart's intent of another. We are told it is deceitfully wicked. Only God knows the truth. But that is still the criteria.

So we are left with observables. If someone kills someone out of anger or greed rather than self-defense or accident, that is by definition evil and there's no other way around it. For the less directly observable stuff, we have to fall back on the pursuit of wisdom and judgment, and helping others find said wisdom and judgment.

Blogger Nate August 17, 2016 3:52 PM  

"Yeah, good luck with that. If your tractors needs a spare part your village dies. If an irrigation pump fails your village dies. If your fertilizer shipment is late your village dies. If you're successful and the neighboring warlord raids your supplies your village dies."

pretty ignorant thing to say. There are places in africa that are extremely good for farming. Botswana... old Zaire... These places, under colonial influence, produced massive amounts of food and pretty much fed the whole continent.

It wasn't until colonialism was abandoned and black corruption was allowed to take hold that it all went to hell. Zaire when from being a major food exporter to starving to death itself... in what seemed to be overnight.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 3:53 PM  

@nate
But teaching africans to farm and creating sustainable systems in africa is a wise move long term.

Yeah, good luck with that. If your tractors needs a spare part your village dies. If an irrigation pump fails your village dies. If your fertilizer shipment is late your village dies. If you're successful and the neighboring warlord raids your supplies your village dies.


Strawman alert.

Blogger Nate August 17, 2016 3:55 PM  

Look at Zimbabwe. Great example of the real problem.

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 3:55 PM  

@155:

And Christians have been known to "send people to Heaven," with nothing but God's love in their hearts.

You will know them by their fruits, not by the pictures of fruits in their advertising brochures.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 3:56 PM  

@kfg Don't be an idiot.

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 3:58 PM  

@164:

Everyone needs a hobby.

Blogger VD August 17, 2016 4:01 PM  

Do you see that sort of model working in the long run?

No.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 4:11 PM  

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is fine rhetoric, aimed at getting one to think twice about the wisdom of one's actions. But of course it is not literal truth. I suspect Vox's statement above was just the Tsar Bomba version of that, to get the point across. And I do agree with the point. I just don't think Borlaug is the best example to draw upon. Far worse has been all the bureaucratic meddling and foreign aid scams, not to mention soft-hearted immigration policies.

Blogger Bill August 17, 2016 4:28 PM  

@Nate
There are places in africa that are extremely good for farming. Botswana... old Zaire... These places, under colonial influence, produced massive amounts of food and pretty much fed the whole continent.

"Under colonial influence", minor caveat there. IIRC, the whites owned about 80% of the land, until they were run off (i.e., killed, raped, fed to lions), and surprise, surprise, surprise, the new owners couldn't even grow dirt on those farms. And that's with all the nice equipment that was left behind.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 17, 2016 4:32 PM  

Master Borlaug of Hobbitton's EZ-gro mushrooms promise to end starvation for the underprivileged Orcs of the Misty Mountains!

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 17, 2016 4:34 PM  

Submitted without comment (other than, Behold! Your bright future under Pres. Hitlery....)

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/08/07/teamrefugees-in-germany/

Anonymous fop August 17, 2016 4:49 PM  

Though granted... Colonialism is a wiser one.

Colonialism fails consistently. Often in bloodshed.

But human nature being what it is there will never be a shortage of men who ignore history and insist that colonialism is "wise".

It's a lot like communism in that regard.

OpenID anonymos-coward August 17, 2016 4:57 PM  

Interestingly I know some Chinese nationalist types that maintain their strong local customs, have strong respect for Buddhism...

China is not a Buddhist country and never was. Buddhism is a foreign Western import into China (in this case from India, which is, as you know, west of China), just like Islam.

(There are a significant number of Chinese Muslims too.)

Blogger Nate August 17, 2016 5:04 PM  

"Colonialism fails consistently. Often in bloodshed."

Like or not nancy.... Africans were WAY better off under colonialism.

Blogger Escoffier August 17, 2016 5:04 PM  

Dr. Davis of Wheatbelly seems to think that Borlaug's wheat has some particularly nasty health effects as well. I'm under the impression that a recent study suggested there might be something to it.

Anonymous Roginald August 17, 2016 5:06 PM  

Surely there are some horrible times ahead, but these can be lessened if we A.Stop all aid to Africa B. Stop allowing them "migrate" into the West (by any means necessary.)

Blogger Escoffier August 17, 2016 5:17 PM  

rycamor wrote:@nate

But teaching africans to farm and creating sustainable systems in africa is a wise move long term.

Yeah, good luck with that. If your tractors needs a spare part your village dies. If an irrigation pump fails your village dies. If your fertilizer shipment is late your village dies. If you're successful and the neighboring warlord raids your supplies your village dies.


Strawman alert.


I don't think it is. If I'm understanding the argument correctly the idea is that when the White folks leave Blacks cannot sustain the technology that Whites take for granted and will begin starving when the equipment or infrastructure breaks down.

e.g. under White colonialism Africa was a breadbasket almost immediately upon the cessation of colonialism Africa began to starve.

Which of these statements do you disagree with as they seem like observable reality to me?

Also: as White people cede power to Blacks the lights go out on what White people would call civilization (see: South Africa).

Blogger Natalie August 17, 2016 5:32 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:@134 Natalie: Well said. You're spot on; they're selling these young girls on visions and mystical feelings of being anointed for something SPECIAL, because marrying and having children is just so boring and ordinary. God couldn't possibly want them to merely do what their mothers did, he wants them to give of themselves MORE, to give the ultimate. That's the churchian manifesto: Loving your neighbor = sacrificing yourself for the other.

You put that far more succinctly than I could. I absolutely believe that "ministry" is the "you go grrrrrl!" careerism of Churchianity.

I'm a rationalizing female, so I don't want to claim outright that tingles aren't involved, but the "career" ministry sold out women I encounter aren't getting any and are "trusting in the Lord" while steadfastly pursuing things that won't get them married.

Anonymous BGKB August 17, 2016 5:35 PM  

Seems to me that teaching africans to feed themselves in africa makes them less likely to come to europe.

Warren Buffets son wasted millions on "charity" to teach them to farm for markets of his daddy, but even he admitted without someone to tell them what to do they can't manage ancient Rome level agriculture.

"Evil is judged by intent."

The PULSE night club shooter intended to enter paradise with all the infidels he killed as slaves.

IIRC, the whites owned about 80% of the land, until they were run off

South Africa & Rhodesia were sparsely populated before whitey set up shop. South Africa natives were brown Hottentots that Zulus genocided to get closer to Whitey's leavings. A deep water port has no value to a people who can't swim or understand tide, in the native language its not even possible to explain how to put up a bat house that would eat mosquitoes they totally lack abstract concepts, South Africa had lots of cursed land that became good farm land when whitey drained swamps. Both nations had massive immigration & runaway breeding after set up.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 5:40 PM  

@BGKB, you're making the same strawman argument that kfg did. Already dealt with.

Blogger Nate August 17, 2016 5:53 PM  

"
Warren Buffets son wasted millions on "charity" to teach them to farm for markets of his daddy, but even he admitted without someone to tell them what to do they can't manage ancient Rome level agriculture."

Which is why we're talking about Colonialism

Blogger Nate August 17, 2016 5:55 PM  

Also...

Colonialism always fails?

Successes of Colonialism:

Austrailia

The United States

Mexico

India

China

Singapore

and on... and on... and on.

Blogger haus frau August 17, 2016 5:56 PM  

There was a dailymail article not long ago about the "hyenas" employed by villages in Malawi to deflower Virgin girls as young as 12. The superstition in that region is that a Virgin must be sexually cleansed by sex with a man who was paid for the job or she would bring bad luck to the family. Also recently widowed women were subject to the same weird custom. Condom use was not allowed. The article interviewed a hyena who was quite proud of his occupation. He had 5 wives and that is how he kept them fed. He was also hiv positive but kept that little detail to himself.
You can't just build wells and give them livestock. The people in these regions are seriously fucked up and need an authoritarian outsider to force reforms long enough that they internalize the new customs, probably over centuries. This won't happen in the current climate of course. That's raciss..

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 6:11 PM  

Dear Lord, please protect me from my "strawmen." My enemies I can deal with myself.

Anonymous dr kill August 17, 2016 6:18 PM  

Damn, it's tough to think of yourself as a Christian, isn't it? I see you guys as so conflicted. Save them, feed these, vaccinate those. It certainly is easier, for me as an un-believer, to agree that Africa should be walled and ignored. Y'all are hinting around at this, but worried about the eternal cost to your souls. Good luck, mates.

Blogger Noah B August 17, 2016 6:29 PM  

The worst of all possible alternatives is what we're doing now: subsidizing a primitive culture with food and technology while doing nothing to control the many uncivilized impulses that remain. A highly accomplished biologist should have understood the dangers of unchecked population growth.

The problem with colonialism is that, no matter how much the quality of life of the primitives is improved by the presence of stabilizing authority, the primitives will ultimately resent that authority. At the point where resistance becomes substantial, the authority will be faced with the choice of violent suppression or abandoning its colonial ambitions. In those locations where colonialism appears to have worked - Mexico, India, China, etc. - advanced civilizations were already present. (Australia and the US really weren't cases of colonialism, but of settlement and near-total displacement of the native populations.) Meanwhile Rhodesia and South Africa are quickly reverting to historical African norms. In essence, colonialism might better be perceived as an early stage of conquest. A successful conquest involves near-total destruction of native inhabitants (by attrition, interbreeding, etc.), while an unsuccessful one does not. But in no case that I can think of has colonialism genuinely transformed a native population, causing it to embrace the culture and values of the colonizers over a long time span, while also preserving that native population's genetic identity.

Anonymous Daniel H August 17, 2016 6:30 PM  

@13

>>The problem is not just liberals

It is a western trait to think that everybody else everywhere else has the same aspirations in life, way of thinking and vital objectives than westerners.<<

If you think that way you are almost by definition liberal, notwithstanding what political party you are affiliated with. There is no mainstream alternative to liberalism. Most Republicans are as liberal as Democrats. As Vox and others have emphasized, conservatism is pointless, what is there worth conserving? What is truly needed is a reaction, a hard reaction that would upend the status quo of the past 170 years or so, and that will only come about through civil war.

Blogger FALPhil August 17, 2016 6:38 PM  

@140
But what would lead Nigeria to make war upon Cameroon or Benin, just for example?

Are you too young to remember the Rwandan Genocide? They don't need a reason other than tribe. Which reinforces the Time to Civilization Theory.

Blogger Bard August 17, 2016 6:48 PM  

183) Nope. Wall and ignore it. See how easy it is, you will fit right in.

Anonymous Eric the Red August 17, 2016 7:05 PM  

Africa is where Christianity has no answers. It would take Christ Himself to make headway, but leaving the earth and putting the burden on His followers for places like Africa simply proves that even Christianity has built-in limitations.

Once you realize that even Christianity has limits, should you abandon it? Probably not, just don't expect it to be magic here on earth.

Meh... the older I get, the more pointless the world gets.

Blogger Doom August 17, 2016 7:05 PM  

rycamor,

"It's not right by any measure to call a man evil simply because the recipients of his charity made stupid choices. Foolhardy possibly, lacking foresight, sure."

It isn't just correct to judge, it is required! The act must be good, start to stop, of good intent and act, and with proper results, or it is not a good at all. Sloth in morality or ethics, as a group or individual, public or private, is no less than sloth of body, home, or mind.

Anonymous Eric the Red August 17, 2016 7:15 PM  

Culture is more than ethnic restaurants and dances. It involves different assumptions, different expectations, different quid-pro-quo. Most of it is genetically based at its core. After living in a few second-world countries, my conclusion is that there is a built-in, probably genetic predisposition for something I call "obliviousness". Unlike whites, the preponderance of certain populations simply don't have the capacity to think about the effects of their actions on other people. After repeated socialization techniques put in place by their respective cultures, the best these people can do is to have at the back of their minds what their immediate families would think about what they're doing. But even that is marginal, at best.

Most leftists refuse to understand this huge difference in racial groups. The rest actually understand it, but pretend they don't because they are hard-core power-mongers who won't let anything get in their way.

Anonymous BGKB August 17, 2016 7:25 PM  

@BGKB, you're making the same strawman argument that kfg did. Already dealt with.

I present an entire village of straw men, who missionaries spent months trying to teach them how to count to 10, and failed. The villagers wanted to learn how to count so they could not get ripped off when selling things. They are (((())))s wet dream of future man.


"Among [Amazonian] Pirahã's many peculiarities is an almost complete lack of numeracy, an extremely rare linguistic trait ... The language contains no words at all for discrete numbers and only three that approximate some notion of quantity—hói, a "small size or amount," hoí, a "somewhat larger size or amount," and baágiso, which can mean either to "cause to come together" or "a bunch."
Despite missionaries' best efforts, the Hiaitiihi people simply couldn't grasp numbers:


Because of [fear of being cheated], the Hiaitiihi reported a genuine desire to learn how to count and do simple sums. They asked [missionaries] Everett and his wife to teach them these skills. The Everetts offered regular classes each evening, for eight months in a row. The sessions were always initiated by the Hiaitiihi with much apparent enthusiasm. Still, after eight months of classes, not a single Hiaitiihi had learned to count from 1 to 10. Not a single person had learned how to solve problems such as "3+1=x" or even "1+1=x." Then, classes were discontinued"
http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-re-colonization-future-orientation.html#more

"Gedeliah Braun, who taught philosophy in South Africa for years, came to a curious conclusion:


It was only after living amongst blacks for nearly twenty-five years that I discovered a most important fact. Put simply: blacks lack a full-blooded concept of time. It seems evident that if any African language contains a concept of time it will be in an extremely diminished form, and similarly with respect to the future."

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 7:35 PM  

No, BGKB, you're making the argument as the efficacy of the attempted solutions. That had absolutely zero to do with my argument.

Anonymous kfg August 17, 2016 7:36 PM  

"A highly accomplished biologist should have understood the dangers of unchecked population growth."

Borlaugh does not have the excuse of ignorance. He wasn't ignorant, he was unbelieving.

It didn't take a highly accomplished biologist. Kids who kept terrariums knew the likely outcome, and said so.

He chose to pooh-pooh them.

Blogger rycamor August 17, 2016 7:37 PM  

rycamor,

"It's not right by any measure to call a man evil simply because the recipients of his charity made stupid choices. Foolhardy possibly, lacking foresight, sure."

It isn't just correct to judge, it is required! The act must be good, start to stop, of good intent and act, and with proper results, or it is not a good at all. Sloth in morality or ethics, as a group or individual, public or private, is no less than sloth of body, home, or mind.


By this sort of tortured logic, even Jesus Christ Himself is guilty, for Western civilization was built on Christianity, and thus was Borlaug's monstrosity enabled, not to mention the lesser offenses of Hitler and Mao.

Anonymous BGKB August 17, 2016 7:52 PM  

http://www.vdare.com/posts/mexicos-passive-aggressive-system-of-gringo-repellent

How do the Mexicans keep the gringos from inundating Mexico? Some of it’s by law, some of its by violent lawlessness, but a lot is by a sort of passive-aggressive cruddiness: nobody is too sure who owns what land, the streets are dangerous to cross if you aren’t young and nimble, the hospitals are kind of inept, and so forth and so on.

Former foreign secretary Jorge Castaneda suggested that if Mexico were to try to make the country more appealing to American retirees, they’d find they had made the country better for Mexicans. But that idea hasn’t proven popular.

Mexicans like keeping Mexico Mexican.

Blogger bethyada August 17, 2016 8:05 PM  

Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Africans Indians and Pakistanis from dying of starvation.

God sends rain on the just and the unjust. It is not evil to do good to those who may abuse that good.

Blogger Kona Commuter August 17, 2016 8:13 PM  

I've heard a little about Rhodesia from a Rhodesian. My recollection of his words


* Yes there was "racism" but the blacks weren't poor because they were black. They were poor because EVERYONE was poor thanks to sanctions.
* The majority of blacks did NOT want Mugabe whose thugs killed whites and blacks equally
* The local blacks did NOT want the white farmers to go. When the farmers left those productive farms ceased immediately to be productive


Interesting point made above about how the free food from aid workers means there's no point in trying to have a store. Makes complete sense but it's not something the average person would think about.

I've read that the corruption in Africa is something to behold. It's corruption more than anything else that's holding Africa back. Low trust society indeed

Lastly as others have pointed out. Africa is very wealthy in natural resources. It's also extremely large (much much larger than made out on modern maps). It's like South America, so much natural resources but thanks to corruption the majority of society suffers in abject poverty

Blogger Mountain Man August 17, 2016 8:13 PM  

I remember as a kid going to the local library for "culture " night. The librarian was a sweet old woman who at one time had been a National Geographic photographer/writer. One film that distinctly sticks out was some footage of some African village deep in the bowels of the Dark Continent. In it, the village women were working away while the guys just hung out doing nothing. My dad, who accompanied me to the film, later made the comment to me that one of the reasons Africa was such a shit -hole is because the men are lazy and ignorant.
I also remember my mother once mentioning to me that Abraham Lincoln once considered, at the end of the Civil War, sending all black slaves back to Africa , whereupon she followed that with " it probably would not have been a bad idea"

Just recently I was visiting my folks and was conveying some of my thoughts on race/iq, immigration etc.,and my mother basically cut me off with " we all came from Noah so no race is any better than any other"
The cultural Marxists have done a dandy of a job.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat August 17, 2016 8:28 PM  

Which Soros funded auto-troll are you?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 17, 2016 8:57 PM  

But what would lead Nigeria to make war upon Cameroon or Benin, just for example?

Are you too young to remember the Rwandan Genocide?

Do you understand the difference between a civil war and a war between two different governments?

They don't need a reason other than tribe.

That doesn't seem to be enough of a reason for, say, Nigeria to attack Cameroon. In fact, as I already pointed out, most of the wars in Africa since 1950 have been intra-state (civil war) rather than inter-state.

Which reinforces the Time to Civilization Theory.

So?

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