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Wednesday, September 28, 2016

Brainstorm with Greg Johnson

Just a reminder that tonight at 7 PM Eastern we'll be holding a Brainstorm with Greg Johnson, the editor of Counter Currents, to discuss the current state of the Alt-Right. It promises to be an interesting discussion. This Brainstorm session is open, so anyone is welcome to attend. 300 people are already signed up. Some of the questions that have already been sent in are as follows:
  • Would it be better for movement solidarity if the Alt-White remain a subset of the Alt-Right and what would that mean for the movement?
  • Besides our own countries, what other countries are worth defending, if any?
  • Is there any way develop a coherent definition for the Alt-Right movement to prevent provocateurs like Milo Yiannopoulos from entering? 
  • How does the Alt-White and Alt-Right see the problem of white genocide and low birth/replacement rates? What do both camps see as solutions to these problems?
  • What is the biggest issue right now that the Alt-Right and the Alt-White thinks that our movement should be focusing on?
  • Does the Alt-Right and Alt-White agree on a strategy for either Trump or Hillary winning the US election? Can you discuss both scenarios?
If you're interested in attending, you can sign up for it here.

In the meantime, another part of the Alt-White has decided to go full retard. The mainstream media couldn't bring Milo down, Twitter couldn't bring Milo down, Black Lives Matter couldn't bring Milo down, but the swastika panties are going to succeed where everyone else has completely failed!
I am hereby declaring a Holy Crusade against Milo Yiannopoulos, who is the single greatest threat our movement has at this time.

He is our arch-nemesis.

We need to stop this kike.

His plan is working. He is taking our brand, our symbols, and turning them against us for a neocon-Jew conservative agenda. He is rewriting our narrative, while taking everything that we have created to use for his own KIKE purposes.

This is the Plan

We are going to be at every single event Milo holds, publicly confront him and put it on YouTube. We are going to show his people that the real Alt-Right exists and that we despise him, that the hoax Alt-Right he’s created doesn’t exist.
I know Milo. Milo is my friend. And I can guarantee you that this is exactly what Milo was hoping someone would do. There is nothing that will clean up his mainstream image like having a handful of Nazis publicly shrieking how much they hate the poor gay Jew. This is the sort of PR not even Milo can buy.

They're not going to so much as ruffle his glorious hair. They're going to get him a show on Fox.

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Anonymous Down and Out in... September 28, 2016 4:46 PM  

"How does the Alt-White and Alt-Right see the problem of white genocide and low birth/replacement rates? What do both camps see as solutions to these problems?"

The answer to this question is easy to answer theoretically, but hard to implement in practical terms. The practical terms are where the intellectual energy and sweat-equity should be focused on, and I'll admit frankly it's an uphill battle, but the only one.

The answer is to end all immigration. Legal, illegal, asylum seekers, refugees, everyone. Period. In the short term, the white population might reduce (due to the low fertility rate) from say roughly less than one billion to maybe 600 million, but as long as immigration is halted, it would still remain white. And then it would probably re-adjust itself over time. Problem solved.

Look at Japan. The current population is roughly 130 million, but since they're all Japanese, they could half their population (which was about what they had when they were complaining about lebensraum and started a world war which nearly conquered a third of the planet), and they'd still be Japanese. In fact, Japan would probably be an even more pleasant place to live if it had half the population, but they were all Japanese. Similarly, Europe and North America would both be much more pleasant places to live with half the population, but all White. And asking our (((good friends))) to go home.

It's not rocket science. But it is very, very difficult to implement. Skilled political operators welcome.

Anonymous Daniel H September 28, 2016 5:02 PM  

OT, but the scariest thing you are going to read today, from the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/murder-rate-cities.html?hpw&rref=us&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0&mtrref=www.unz.com&gwh=4A408EAA8EA256124F78AC550FD96894&gwt=pay

>>There were 19,645 homicides in 1996 in a nation of 265 million; in 2015, there were 15,696 in a population of 321 million.<<

That's right, the population of this landmass increased by 55 million in twenty short years, or to put in in a way that even a dullard like Georg W. Bush can understand, in the time span of A-Rod's career.

Just do a simple linear extrapolation and within 60 years, the time that it will take today's toddler to reach maturity and a little more the USA land mass will contain approximately 500 million people. You know, it was at that number that both China and India completely lost control of their demographic destiny and propelled them to the billion plus levels they have today, with all the attendant filth, chaos, corruption, loss of habitat and environmental degradation.

Blogger Student in Blue September 28, 2016 5:15 PM  

There's a part where you can submit questions ahead of time?

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 28, 2016 5:39 PM  

Uh, have the people sending in the questions been working from the assumption that the "Alt-White" is not a subset of the Alt-Right?

Blogger freddy September 28, 2016 5:39 PM  

OT: What does the Ilk think about giant trees from the pre-flood world? Early Genesis tells us of the Garden and the Tree of Life, what if?

https://youtu.be/pf3vE8fZdXU

Blogger jdwalker September 28, 2016 5:44 PM  

@4 Maybe they meant to use Vox's terms of alt-white and alt-west.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 28, 2016 6:07 PM  

"OT: What does the Ilk think about giant trees from the pre-flood world? Early Genesis tells us of the Garden and the Tree of Life, what if?

https://youtu.be/pf3vE8fZdXU"

Hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty sure everybody reading this blog is a spherecuck.

Blogger Escoffier September 28, 2016 6:16 PM  

I'm almost afraid to ask but what in the hell is a spherecuck?

Anonymous dagwood September 28, 2016 6:16 PM  

Well, have a fine time, y'all. Counter Currents is an interesting publication. I'm sure it will be a fascinating conversation. Will there be a transcript?

Blogger Escoffier September 28, 2016 6:17 PM  

Just in case I can't figure out how to do it at the Brainstorm my question would be: why aren't the 14 words sufficient?

Blogger SS September 28, 2016 6:28 PM  

You flat earthers are in the wrong place. Your retarded "mesas are giant tree stumps" theory will get nothing but mockery here. Go back to Sineads blog.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 28, 2016 6:37 PM  

"I'm almost afraid to ask but what in the hell is a spherecuck?"

Cucks who believe the lie that the Earth is a "sphere." Lol, can't believe there are still people dumb enough to fall for an obvious psyop like that.

Anonymous Ironsides September 28, 2016 6:42 PM  

Well, now I've heard everything, as they used to say.

Spherecuck. Smdh.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 6:42 PM  

> You flat earthers are in the wrong place.

I'd like to hear both Vox and Greg's opinion on the SQ: The Spherecuck Question.

OpenID aew51183 September 28, 2016 6:44 PM  

"How does the Alt-White and Alt-Right see the problem of white genocide and low birth/replacement rates? What do both camps see as solutions to these problems?"

This is easy:
Close
The
Borders

Over about 1.5 generations it will economically self-correct as demand bottoms out for goods and housing associated with family formation. They will become dirt cheap, making children more appealing.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 6:45 PM  

Dude, how do I get comment-cuck'd on spherecucks?

Lame-cucked.

Blogger Old Ez September 28, 2016 6:45 PM  

I don't know about Milo. What about the apparent fraud he is engaged in with the whole privilege grant thing? Whether anyone should try to destroy him or not is beyond me, but the guy has committed fraud, hasn't he? I don't like to be associated with people like that in any way, shape or form. Milo was just a twitter personality anyway, wasn't he? Now that he's off twitter, what kind of reach does he have? I hear the Dangerous Faggot tour is actually pretty tame.

Blogger John S September 28, 2016 6:51 PM  

Genuine spherecucker here. Try to stay on topic, you one-dimensional plebs...

Blogger ZhukovG September 28, 2016 7:02 PM  

So, is it just a part of the Daily Stormer community that has lost its mind; or have they all gone nuts? Or, were they always this stupid?

Anonymous Patron September 28, 2016 7:04 PM  

Awkward time for me, so a few thoughts as I'll have to miss it:

= = =

Would it be better for movement solidarity if the Alt-White remain a subset of the Alt-Right and what would that mean for the movement?

Yes, I think it'd help solidarity - and in addition, a broader tent means you'll have an easier time getting public support. Whilst it means there's a greater chance of entryism (due to said tent being broader), I think the benefits outweigh the costs / dangers. There's not much point in being immune to entryism if you're also an irrelevance.


Besides our own countries, what other countries are worth defending, if any?

Well, let's start with the Five Eyes Anglosphere nations and Europe (including Russia). South Korea & Japan seem worth defending to me. China... maybe (Martin van Creveld would like it for 4GW reasons)... it depends on how imperial you think it is re ethnic & cultural divisions within China. India is another interesting case as well, given the many influences there. Israel surely has a right to exist if white ethno-states do too, though god knows how you'll handle the Palestinians without driving them all into Jordan to join their compatriots or something (!). Africa's borders are a mess due to European imperialism... yeah I could go on all day here TBH :P .


Is there any way develop a coherent definition for the Alt-Right movement to prevent provocateurs like Milo Yiannopoulos from entering?

Your (VD) 16 points seem a good start. Mind you, I think Milo's a bad example of entryism as he's repeatedly denied being a part of the alt-right, and if anything has been useful in giving the alt-right a positive spin in the media. He labels himself a "cultural libertarian" IIRC: if need be, just remember that and point out its incompatibility with some of the 16 points. It's a bit hard to be a cultural libertarian (or "agent of chaos" and pusher of the bounds of acceptability etc etc etc) and also strongly support the Greco-Roman and Christian pillars of the alt-right IMHO.


How does the Alt-White and Alt-Right see the problem of white genocide and low birth/replacement rates? What do both camps see as solutions to these problems?

Can't speak for the alt-white, but taking the UK as an example, it wasn't all that long ago that white Brits had quite high birth rates. That tells us that the problem is clearly not insuperable, and probably has a lot to do with politics and culture. For example, it's very expensive to raise a child in the UK today (unless you're a parasite on the welfare state perhaps?), due to taxes, school fees, blah blah blah. If it was a lot cheaper, then I think you'd see a rise in the birth rate. Similarly, encouraging women to marry young and to focus on raising their kids rather than working would probably also help.


What is the biggest issue right now that the Alt-Right and the Alt-White thinks that our movement should be focusing on?

Depends on the country. Here in the UK (plus all of Europe?) I think the priority is kicking out our Mohammedan population ASAP; in the USA it's probably the Latin American invasion. No Islamic or Latin American nation-state compares to any Anglosphere nation - even if you think the issue is cultural rather than genetic, the solution is the same: no Mohammedans or Latin Americans welcome.


Does the Alt-Right and Alt-White agree on a strategy for either Trump or Hillary winning the US election? Can you discuss both scenarios?

I think that in either case, the focus must be on shifting the Overton window and pushing alt-right policies. It doesn't really matter whether it's Trump or Her Royal Clintonness that wins, so long as they pursue good policies. Regardless, there's one tactic that the Left has used that I rarely see the alt-right using (maybe it's just me?) - infiltration. Gramsci's long march through the institutions served the Left well - why can't it serve the alt-right too?

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 28, 2016 7:06 PM  

"Cucks who believe the lie that the Earth is a "sphere."

The earth of course is not a sphere, it is very slightly pear-shaped. Nothing in the universe is a perfect circle or a perfect sphere, (well, maybe the gas giants are, I leave that one to Stickwick) because every relationship has two centers of gravity, not one, which makes everything elliptical, even when the shape is so subtle that it looks like a sphere or a circle.

This problem drove the ancients crazy, because they thought that circles and spheres were "perfect," and therefore that was how the heavens must operate. Unfortunately they were wrong, and set back the progress of science for thousands of years, because they had an a priori assumption.

Hmm, is something similar taking place in the present day?

Blogger Old Ez September 28, 2016 7:08 PM  

Ok, it's pretty clear that a lot of folks commenting are not really up on Alt Right memes. The "spherecuck" thing is a joke. It started about a year a go when a few very suspicious personalities popped up out of nowhere with well-funded operations, really swell Hitler documentaries, talking all the requisite AltRight talking points, and then...suddenly...seriously and unironically proclaiming the earth was flat. As soon as the TRS goys got wind of this, they immediately created the "spherecuck" meme (like the "autiste" meme, the "tendies" meme, & the "2d waifu" meme) to (1) identify a toxic idea that invaded our intellectual space, and (2) defuse any affect it might have by turning it into a joke.

Something that not enough people appreciate about the AltRight is our self-awareness. For example, there was an acute awareness that people attracted to the movement tended toward intellectual spergery, therefore the "autiste" meme was created to make goys aware of that aspect of themselves and tone it down. The "tendies" meme was created to own the fact that many in the AltRight are NEETs who live at home in mommy's basement - and to shame those goys into getting it together. Ditto 2D waifus. "2D women are so much more pure than these disgusting 3DPDs." If you need the waifu thing explained, go ask the TRS forums.

Anyway, "spherecuck" wasn't so much invented because of something germane to the AltRight (protip: *literally no one* in the AltRight believes the world is flat), but rather to identify and destroy an obvious attempt at "poisoning the well" by associating the AltRight with the most bat-shit idea possible.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 28, 2016 7:11 PM  

So, is it just a part of the Daily Stormer community that has lost its mind; or have they all gone nuts? Or, were they always this stupid?


Dude, read the rant again. This isn't even Gamma. It's flat fucking Omega.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 28, 2016 7:15 PM  

"it's very expensive to raise a child in the UK today"

White family formation in the West has become punitively expensive because Whites implicitly do not like to live around non-Whites, b/c non-Whites prey on Whites, especially the girls, which is catastrophic demographically. Non-Whites are either feral and oversexed (blacks and Hispanics) or else they are robotic predators (Asians, Jews, and Hindus.) They can't or won't conform to Western mores, they form human battering rams against Whites, whether it's raping and murdering their females, or flooding their universities. So whites have to move further and further away from non-Whites, into increasingly expensive and inconvenient suburbs, which because of their expense and natural weirdness, stunts White family formation. Gee, it's almost as if (((somebody))) planned the whole thing.

Blogger ZhukovG September 28, 2016 7:21 PM  

@23 Ah, I went to the site. I will never get that time back. Milo's going to end up with a movie deal.

Anonymous VFM #7916 September 28, 2016 7:23 PM  

Well, this explains a comment on pjmedia I responded to yesterday, stating that the alt-right was purging milo. I said, dafuq are you talking about?

The comment associated the alt-right specifically and ONLY with that part of stormfront that is referenced as a crusade versus milo.

I am going to postulate that the originator of this absurd idea is an anti-alt-right agent, and this is an attempt to fracture the big tent.

I will meme appropriately.

Blogger ZhukovG September 28, 2016 7:24 PM  

You know, those Stormer people are such caricatures it would almost be more believable to assume that they are all Soros' trolls.

Blogger Old Ez September 28, 2016 7:25 PM  

@23, look, when you guys refer to the "Stormer Community", you're referring to the AltRight. You guys are new and that's cool; welcome. But you're not really aware of who the AltRight is and what we have been doing for the last 6 years, so you need to get conversant with our rhetoric and humor before drawing any conclusions from a DS post. I suggest you start with an in-depth study of esoteric Jahanism.

Blogger Old Ez September 28, 2016 7:27 PM  

@26, you need to start listening to the #1 and #2 podcasts in the AltRight fam.

Blogger Guy Fox September 28, 2016 7:30 PM  

Greg Johnson is folding like a cheap pup tent.

Anonymous dagwood September 28, 2016 7:32 PM  

I really have no idea who Milo is or what he has to say, but if he repeats even a few Alt-Right memes in a convincing and witty manner, then he is very helpful because...

a) His name is Milo, which is both easily remembered and sort of hilarious; his last name is semi-unpronounceable to the average Anglo, but it doesn't matter, because he is known as Milo, just as Hillary is known as Hillary and not as Clinton. "Milo" etymologically is presumably a corruption of Latin "miles," which means soldier. Good.

b) He is gay, and therefore bulletproof,

c) Apparently he has amazing hair, which is a more valuable asset than you'd think.

An older woman of my acquaintance once remarked, "Rand Paul will never be president, because he has curly hair. This makes him look like Not-A-President to virtually all women, on a subconscious level. They may not even know it, but it's true."

d) Apparently Milo is very funny and witty. Granted, it didn't save Oscar Wilde's life, but in general it works a treat. Churchill was funnier than Hitler (who was unintentionally funny, as Charlie Chaplin demonstrated). Churchill won.

Anonymous User September 28, 2016 7:41 PM  

The alt-right's primary purpose is to make itself irrelevant. At its core it is about acknowledging reality. Once we succeed in making that mainstream there's no need for an alt-right. The people are so deeply and thoroughly conditioned and brainwashed that may take a while, but Trump has already done more to crack that dam than I ever imagined would happen and when it breaks there will be a deluge. In the optimistic case the alt-right will be swallowed up by mainstream America within the decade.

Anonymous Icicle September 28, 2016 7:42 PM  

*raises sign*

Milo is queer.
He's here.
Get used to it.

Blogger David-2 September 28, 2016 7:45 PM  

"They're not going to so much as ruffle his glorious hair."

I've looked at several of his recent videos at Breitbart, and is it my imagination or is his glorious hair less fabulous recently?

(Could be me ... I'm not much of a fashion person.)

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 28, 2016 7:47 PM  

Old Ez wrote:@26, you need to start listening to the #1 and #2 podcasts in the AltRight fam.

You do realize that what you view as "your movement" (altright) really didn't pick up any steam until people like Milo, Vox, Cernovich etc. accepted parts of your views and repeated them? Milo is helping you achieve 60-75% of your goals by popularizing them in a way your group never could. Declaring war on him is a severe miscalculation and accusing him of being a Neocon suggests your group has not bothered to understand him beyond his bravado.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 28, 2016 7:52 PM  

Just more MOPs and Geeks.

Anonymous BluePony September 28, 2016 7:52 PM  

" Nothing in the universe is a perfect circle or a perfect sphere,"

The event horizon of a black hole?

Blogger Fatherless September 28, 2016 7:55 PM  

Greg seems kind of... he just sort of follows his thoughts and loses the point. Vox keeps having to bring him back on track. Greg sounds like a sleepy professor.

Blogger Zimri September 28, 2016 7:57 PM  

Anglin isn't stupid but, man, is he stupid.

He can design a website, write reasonably well, and maintain a constituency; but for all of that he'll never break out of his core fanbase. He's the alt-right's very own Little Green Footballs.

Anonymous BluePony September 28, 2016 8:00 PM  

"Milo is helping you "

The gay community can be a yuge ally. They are seeing the threat of Islam at last. Gun sales are up for their demographic. They are over-represented in the media and can propagate their evolving memes. I would not be shocked to see a film or a TV episode within a year or two where a terrorist is stopped in a gay club by someone with their own gun.

Yeah, yeah, I know people think they are icky and immoral. I can't help you there- maybe just get over it. I'd rather have more allies. Honestly, all the gays I know just want to be left the hell alone. Two that I've talked to about the election are voting Trump.

OpenID randkoch September 28, 2016 8:10 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:Old Ez wrote:@26, you need to start listening to the #1 and #2 podcasts in the AltRight fam.

You do realize that what you view as "your movement" (altright) really didn't pick up any steam until people like Milo, Vox, Cernovich etc. accepted parts of your views and repeated them? Milo is helping you achieve 60-75% of your goals by popularizing them in a way your group never could. Declaring war on him is a severe miscalculation and accusing him of being a Neocon suggests your group has not bothered to understand him beyond his bravado.


They realize that. Note that these Alten-Kampfers are doing this before the election. They'd rather see a tiny Alt-White that loses than a broader group that wins. The borders be damned.

That might be a good thing from their perspective. It's a bad thing from mine.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 28, 2016 8:11 PM  

"The event horizon of a black hole?"

Could be, I'll let Stickwick handle that, it's way out of my league. My point is that normal astronomical objects in an orbital relation are responding to at least two centers of gravity, their own and the other object. They have a relation to other objects (there are generally multiple ones in say a solar system, the sun is pulling on the Earth, but so are the gas giants, it's just that the sun is hella larger), so most orbital relationships in the universe are elliptical, even when they look circular. There may be wacky exceptions, but that's the rule of thumb. The a priori assumption that they must be circular held human scientific development back for ages. There could have been ancient Greeks landing on the moon, (JOHN BELUSHI VOICE) but NOOOOOO.....

There used to be a theory that there was a twin planet to Earth orbiting on the other side of the sun. My guess is (and Stickwick can correct me if applicable) that this theory is disproved by the moon landing, because if it were true, it would have thrown off the gravity calculations and the landing would not have worked as planned.

Blogger Harsh September 28, 2016 8:12 PM  

I am hereby declaring a Holy Crusade against Milo Yiannopoulos

This is a joke, right? Or do these Alt-White clowns really think... oh, never mind.

Blogger Bard September 28, 2016 8:15 PM  

Listening now to the podcast, does the audio work on google chrome or do you have to listen over the phone? I have it on Firefox and the audio does not work.

Anonymous Anonymous September 28, 2016 8:17 PM  

I am fairly certain getting Milo a "show on FOX" would be something Andrew and the Daily Stromer would be verry comfortable with.

There is no way FOX would ever allow Milo to critizise the jews. Even as feckless as Milo's ever been he's significently more outspoken than Hanity, who is the most radical person on FOX at the moment.

Blogger One Man's Chorus September 28, 2016 8:44 PM  

I don't see Milo as a threat to the alt-right. He helped put the alt-right on the map by giving them some notoriety.

Anonymous Leonidas September 28, 2016 8:44 PM  

Somebody needs to do a fact check. Milo isn't even Jewish. He's Catholic.

Blogger Unknown September 28, 2016 8:49 PM  

In order for the Alt-Right to succeed it must go from Goy to Gay

Blogger DrAndroSF September 28, 2016 8:52 PM  

@45. His mother is Jewish, which makes him Jewish in Jewish law, even if his religion is Catholic.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 8:57 PM  

> Somebody needs to do a fact check. Milo isn't even Jewish. He's Catholic.

He's ethnically half jewish (IIRC) and sufficiently iron-pilled Alt-Right folks view that as damning. He is certainly very degenerate, and he also certainly, at times, presents the Alt-Right as a socially-liberal libertarian movement. The irony is that that is, to a large degree, what the alt-right rose out of: it is ex-libertarians shedding their autism and coming to terms with identity politics.

In other news, the twitter troll army is hitting Louise Mensch pretty hard, with Ricky Vaughn leading the charge:

https://twitter.com/Ricky_Vaughn99/status/781279924027961344

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch

I've never seen the charm, she strikes me as a somewhat clever narcissist who hasn't been checked very often on account of her now-fading looks, but Vox seems to like her.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 28, 2016 8:58 PM  

@14 praetorian
> You flat earthers are in the wrong place.

I'd like to hear both Vox and Greg's opinion on the SQ: The Spherecuck Question.
---

And the Electricon Question too

Blogger Were-Puppy September 28, 2016 9:08 PM  

@27 ZhukovG
You know, those Stormer people are such caricatures it would almost be more believable to assume that they are all Soros' trolls.
----

I thought they were seeded with FBI or CIA? Not sure where I got that idea. Or maybe there are two sets of Stormer types?

Anonymous Garrulus September 28, 2016 9:20 PM  

Vox's prediction of what will happen confirms their fear is grounded.

Anonymous Ironsides September 28, 2016 9:31 PM  

Milo is something I wouldn't even bother thinking about, were I any kind of Alt-Right "thought leader."

If he annoys our enemies, excellent. If he cucks out -- well, what's one more? I mean it -- the world is full of obnoxious cucks. Cut off one set of cuckold's horns, two more shall take its place. Who cares?

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 28, 2016 9:32 PM  

praetorian wrote:I'd like to hear both Vox and Greg's opinion on the SQ: The Spherecuck Question.
If there was an April 1 Brainstorm, I would totally go for that.  It would be better than "Rocket Talk" was at MidWestCon II.

Patron wrote:there's one tactic that the Left has used that I rarely see the alt-right using (maybe it's just me?) - infiltration.
If the alt-right is using it, I doubt we would know it.  It's not yet time for the moles to break cover.

Blogger Ben Sanderson September 28, 2016 9:40 PM  

My prediction is that the terms "altwhite/west" remain as only vague concepts on this blog only. You heard it from me first. These concepts have no legs, no one else uses them, and no one in the future will use them, lol. I'll check in from time to time just to remind you of this, Vox.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 9:48 PM  

I'll check in from time to time just to remind you of this, Vox.

Why should that bother him? Does the popularity of the terms correspond at all to their validity in describing categories?

Scientistry and scientody aren't used much outside this blog either, and yet they capture a very useful distinction when thinking about things.

And, come to it, why do you care?

Blogger Basil Makedon September 28, 2016 9:49 PM  

My god, they are so stupid. VD is right, he's going to get a show on Fox because he can say "Look, the Nazis hate me." As an aside, this is one of Obama's better moves -- he pretends to be a moderate because he claims that the left and right both hate him.

Blogger Basil Makedon September 28, 2016 9:49 PM  

My god, they are so stupid. VD is right, he's going to get a show on Fox because he can say "Look, the Nazis hate me." As an aside, this is one of Obama's better moves -- he pretends to be a moderate because he claims that the left and right both hate him.

Anonymous Dave September 28, 2016 9:56 PM  

Booby trapped Trump sign:

https://twitter.com/_AltRight_/status/781283535428718596

Anonymous Peter Grant September 28, 2016 9:58 PM  

If the Stormers do this, Milo should set it up on Pay-Per-View TV. He'd make a fortune!

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 28, 2016 10:03 PM  

Bill Kristol and Erick Erickson have been speaking in public for years and are far to the left of Milo. Why weren't these guys protesting then? It seems Milo's crime is being somewhat sympathetic to their cause.

Anonymous Forum Poster September 28, 2016 10:08 PM  

Many on the actual (racist) Alt-Right would be perfectly content with Milo getting a show on fox news... as long as he fucked off and stopped trying to define our movement as neo-conservatism + ironic racism.

If he just wants to talk about SJWs on TV, more power to him.

Blogger Escoffier September 28, 2016 10:14 PM  

Zimri LGF is a great analogy!

Blogger cheddarman September 28, 2016 10:17 PM  

Andrew Anglin on Milo reminds me of the scene from the "life of Brian" where the leader of the Judean Peoples Front states that their greatest enemy is the Peoples Front of Judea (instead of the Romans).

Blogger Escoffier September 28, 2016 10:22 PM  

OT: Has anyone who's gab sign up was screwed up had any success fixing it? I tweeted @torbahax 5 days ago but haven't heard anything yet.

Anonymous Dave September 28, 2016 10:30 PM  

@64 did you try @getongab? still waiting for invite myself

Blogger ZhukovG September 28, 2016 10:32 PM  

Perhaps I am looking at this wrong. The Alt-White attack Milo. This increases Milo's appeal and street cred exponentially. Milo will then be able to draw even more people to the Alt-Lite side of the movement, from which some number will become Alt-West. So we should cheer our Alt-White comrades on in this endeavor.

Of course the downside is that they will be consigning the Alt-White to complete irrelevance; but they are a sacrifice I am willing to make.

Blogger Markku September 28, 2016 10:33 PM  

So we should cheer our Alt-White comrades on in this endeavor.

You see me deleting their messages? That's right.

Anonymous Avalanche September 28, 2016 10:35 PM  

@40 "Note that these Alten-Kampfers are doing this before the election. They'd rather see a tiny Alt-White that loses than a broader group that wins."

OMG! You mean they're Republicans?!?!
{wink}

Blogger Were-Puppy September 28, 2016 10:35 PM  

@48 praetorian
In other news, the twitter troll army is hitting Louise Mensch pretty hard, with Ricky Vaughn leading the charge:
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They are really hammering her to the point I almost feel sorry for her. But not quite, since she thinks the alt-right and infowars is a Russian troll farm or some insane thing like that.

Blogger Lazarus September 28, 2016 10:37 PM  

Ben Sanderson wrote:My prediction is that the terms "altwhite/west" remain as only vague concepts on this blog only.

You are already wrong about alt-white. Just a matter of time for the other. Of course you will come back from time to time to admit how you were wrong, won't you Ben?

Of course you will, being the honorable man that you are.

Blogger Markku September 28, 2016 10:38 PM  

I've been trying to tell my more impatient Alt-West friends for MONTHS that we should just let them talk.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 28, 2016 10:43 PM  

a bunch of us should do an #alt-west twitter tag and get it out there just to spark more activity from the #alt-white.

Blogger ZhukovG September 28, 2016 10:44 PM  

@71 Agreed

Blogger Noah B September 28, 2016 10:57 PM  

If only he'd gotten the Fox show about a year ago, Milo could have sued Roger Ailes for sexual harassment and gotten $20 million.

Anonymous AltRight September 28, 2016 10:57 PM  

Look Vox Day. You're not apart of the Alt Right. Your little factions of "Alt West", etc, do not exist within the actual Alt Right. None one of the major and actual outlets of the Alt Right take you seriously. Not TRS, not DS, etc. Grindr Greggie is on his way out as nobody on the Alt Right takes him very seriously anyway. If you want your own little autistic movement dedicated to social justice warriors and shilling for Milo then that's YOUR own thing but you're not apart of the Alt Right. /pol/, TRS, and DS created the Alt Right. Not Grindr Greggie. Not Counter-Currents. Not Richard Spencer. If you're not a White Nationalist, National Socialist, or Fascist, then you're not apart of the Alt Right. Jewish people, homosexuals, etc, are not allowed in the Alt Right (you have a fondness of both from what I hear). Of courser you can claim to be apart of the Alt Right but a dog who believes it's a cat isn't actually a cat.

Blogger Markku September 28, 2016 10:59 PM  

Now THERE'S a genius.

Hint: Go look up "apart" from the dictionary.

Blogger Escoffier September 28, 2016 11:01 PM  

Thanks for the reminder Dave.

Blogger Escoffier September 28, 2016 11:04 PM  

It strikes me as ironic altright that we won't read you out of the movement you are reading us out of. Its why we'll win.

Blogger Bard September 28, 2016 11:08 PM  

Hmmm...Ben, I would like to go on record as disagreeing with you. I see Alt-west rising along with all-right. Further, I think the ideals of Alt-white will also strengthen as the effects of diversity continue to become more obvious but only the hard core will continue to call it such.

Anonymous Dave September 28, 2016 11:08 PM  

None one of the major and actual outlets of the Alt Right take you seriously.

None one cares.

Blogger Thucydides September 28, 2016 11:10 PM  

Maybe you can discuss this article on the next brainstorm:

http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/after-the-republic/

More and more people are starting to catch on to what is destroying the nation and Western civilization. The sad part is what we and our children may have to live through to tear down the edifice erected during the "Revolt of the Elites" and rebuild a society for us to live in.

Blogger Nick S September 28, 2016 11:10 PM  

Apart doesn't mean what you think it means.

Blogger Bard September 28, 2016 11:10 PM  

Vox is not apart from the All-right. Capture that for future quotes.

Blogger Markku September 28, 2016 11:11 PM  

Capture that for future quotes.

Already saved it in case he deletes his message.

Blogger Noah B September 28, 2016 11:11 PM  

Milo is clearly misrepresenting the altright, so there's some legitimate basis for anger. However, it would be nice if everyone could thoughtfully assess what effect his statements actually have, rather than attacking and attempting to ostracize a guy who doesn't even claim to be part of the group.

Anonymous Millenium September 28, 2016 11:11 PM  

@50: I have read before that the Daily Stormer is a fed front. Anglin himself has documented yellow fever.

There is also Storm Front, which may have began as legitimate but is now full of feds trying to set people up.

The chans have also seen an influx of shills encouraging whites to commit crimes.

Anonymous Forum Poster September 28, 2016 11:12 PM  

What is the official Alt-West position on Tri-Racial people in White countries?

Do they have to go back?

Is Vox Day arguing that Vox Day should be deported?

Or is he trying to change the White Nationalist movement to create a space for people who identify as non-white / tri-racial?

Anonymous AltRight September 28, 2016 11:13 PM  

Furthermore, Milo, Vox Day, etc, came on the scene after the Alt Right already existed. Milo latched on to it earlier on (and was denounced across the Alt Right). The Alt Right was already growing and was not worried about mass exposure as it was reaching the proper audience. Then Hilary gave her speech and here come the leeches (Milo, Vox Day, etc) in full force to exploit what /pol/, TRS, and DS created.

The attempted smear of Andrew is quite funny considering his section of the Alt Right is vastly more popular than Vox Day, Counter-Currents, etc, combined. You intellectual types are not only irrelevant but also pointless. You want to play little intellectual word games and theorize and that's it. You're not concerned with helping white Europeans (the helping of white Europeans is central to the Alt Right). You're interested in playing Mr. Intellectual and gaining wide spread eceleb status just like your buddy Milo.

Unfortunately for you, the core of the Alt Right isn't vulnerable to complete subversion or infiltration. You will be rejected and are being rejected by the main followers (/pol/, TRS, and DS) of the Alt Right.

It's also funny how you guys denounce and ridicule the "14/88ers" and "Nazis" (Nazi when it comes from you guys just means a White Nationalist) and people like Andrew. Do you know why people are flocking to places like Daily Stormer and The Right Stuff? Because it speaks to what people actually want and to what people actually believe.

Blogger Noah B September 28, 2016 11:17 PM  

@88 That's simply wrong. Though Vox's use of the term "alt-right" may be new, he has been expressing nationalist, prowhite principles for as long as this blog has been running. The posts are all still here. Go back and read some of his work from ten years ago.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 11:20 PM  

> /pol/, TRS, and DS created the Alt Right. Not Grindr Greggie. Not Counter-Currents. Not Richard Spencer.

> Not Richard Spencer.

> Not the guy who literally registered alternativeright.com

That's hysterical.

If you are D&C shill: not bad, my friend. If you aren't, please direct your energies towards securing the existence of our people and a future for white children.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 11:21 PM  

@88

Nice dubs.

Seriously, though, relax, though.

Blogger Noah B September 28, 2016 11:24 PM  

Anyone who's a friend of Milo's should encourage him to light a fire under his nonprofit situation, if he hasn't already.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/19/breitbart-editor-milo-yiannopoulos-takes-100-000-for-charity-gives-0.html

Blogger Harsh September 28, 2016 11:26 PM  

Look Vox Day. You're not apart of the Alt Right. Your little factions of "Alt West", etc, do not exist within the actual Alt Right.

Are your parents also siblings by any chance? Retard...

Blogger Markku September 28, 2016 11:27 PM  

https://voxday.blogspot.fi/2016/03/sf-sjws-always-double-down.html

"They're dealing with the criticism-hardened, ruthless Alt-Right of the present and we don't run from conflict with them. We run towards it."
Saturday, March 26, 2016

Oops...

Blogger Markku September 28, 2016 11:30 PM  

Hillary's Alt-Right speech: August 25, 2016

Oops...

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 11:32 PM  

Despite our newfriend telling us we don't into AltRight, I'd like to recommend everyone take a deep breath and resist any temptations to counter-signal /pol/, TRS, TDS, FTN etc.

A wise man once said: cherish your extremists.

Anonymous Dave September 28, 2016 11:36 PM  

Despite our newfriend telling us we don't into AltRight

Damn, it's contagious

Blogger Harsh September 28, 2016 11:37 PM  

A wise man once said: cherish your extremists.

The problem is our extremists are dumber than a truck full of rocks. But I guess they might prove useful as cannon fodder...

Blogger Noah B September 28, 2016 11:42 PM  

@98 BlackLivesMatter demonstrators are pretty stupid, and the left manages to find a use for them.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 11:44 PM  

From the KMac AMA going on right now:

"I think the central Alt Right message is to agree that it's legitimate for Whites to have an identity and pursue their interests. If you don't buy that, you aren't alt right. That serves to unify it."

https://www.reddit.com/r/altright/comments/54kvdu/im_kevin_macdonald_editor_of_the_occidental

We're all gonna make it, fam.

Blogger praetorian September 28, 2016 11:47 PM  

Relevant to this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/altright/comments/54kvdu/im_kevin_macdonald_editor_of_the_occidental/d865xv5

KMac is a treasure.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 28, 2016 11:50 PM  

The problem is our extremists are dumber than a truck full of rocks. But I guess they might prove useful as cannon fodder...

Problem? Sounds like the Jew-black relationship...which has worked out pretty well for them.

Blogger Markku September 29, 2016 12:01 AM  

Yes, no movement that has nothing to offer to the left side of the Bell curve could possibly be successful, for obvious statistical reasons.

Blogger Escoffier September 29, 2016 12:15 AM  

What puzzles me altright et al, is why the 14 words don't suffice? What more do you want exactly?

Anonymous Forum Poster September 29, 2016 12:33 AM  

"What more do you want exactly?"

What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility.

Anonymous trequar September 29, 2016 12:40 AM  

@90
That's the WN scene for you. Where the children of the revolution eat their fathers before the revolution even begins.

Anonymous Icicle September 29, 2016 1:00 AM  

It's ok guys. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kickass lives. My first wife was a 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

Blogger Escoffier September 29, 2016 1:14 AM  

So basically nothing you're just a bitchy cunt? Okay, I understand now.

Anonymous Forum Poster September 29, 2016 1:27 AM  

I want to know if Vox Day intends to deport himself to an ethno-state for people who identify as non-white and tri-racial.

Or does he just intend to try and make the white nationalist movement safe for people who identify as non-white?

Blogger Noah B September 29, 2016 1:48 AM  

I want to know why clueless faggots can't focus on winning first, keeping in mind the whole time that if we don't win, there's no need to hash out the question of just how white is white enough for an ideal ethnostate.

Anonymous Wyrd September 29, 2016 2:01 AM  

Can't win with kikes and niggers and faggots oh my! in the mix, donchaknow? Too distracted by wacking off to Hitler pr0n.

Anonymous SciVo September 29, 2016 2:07 AM  

AltRight wrote:Nazi when it comes from you guys just means a White Nationalist

That is clearly false, since even a casual perusal of this blog will demonstrate mere tolerance of the former and a positive affection for the latter, along with a mastery of the meanings of words. What we mean by "Nazi" is the common meaning: "national socialist who gets peeved when Hitler is criticized for his mountain of failings."

Moreover, fair warning, I advise against trying that ploy here again. That whole Miss Cleo psychic hotline act is classic gamma retardery and one of VD's pet peeves, according to the common meanings of the words that he used to say so.

Anonymous Professor September 29, 2016 2:10 AM  

TRS had a great post a while back saying the first goal should be the destruction of the SPLC. Why not focus on these tactics instead of a ridiculous circular firing squad. Killing the SPLC would be a tactical win and a strategic demonstration of power. Killing the pc censors would allow people to be quite a bit more open in their discussions.

Anonymous SciVo September 29, 2016 2:13 AM  

Or at least, that's what I mean by Nazi. I don't presume to speak for everyone. Heck, it could mean "unseer" to someone here for all I know.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 29, 2016 2:16 AM  

I want to know if Vox Day intends to deport himself to an ethno-state for people who identify as non-white and tri-racial.


Fookin' Retards... Fookin' astonishing retards...

At this rate, Pollacks will be telling Stormfronter jokes before it's all over.

"So, this Stormfronter was telling me about their plan to send a manned mission to the sun. I said that's insane, it'll never work, you'll burn up before you get half-way there. He leaned over and said 'We're going at night!'"

I get the feeling some fish have discovered their pond just got connected to a YUUGE ocean.

Anonymous Forum Poster September 29, 2016 2:19 AM  

"I want to know why clueless faggots can't focus on winning first, keeping in mind the whole time that if we don't win, there's no need to hash out the question of just how white is white enough for an ideal ethnostate."

Vox Day explicitly states that he is not white, and when someone suggested he was joking on the TRS podcast, he was adamant that he was 100% serious. Vox says Vox is not white; he identifies as tri-racial member of La Raza. I can only take him at his word on this.

Therefore, the first step in winning is Vox Day has to go back.

Therefore, Vox Day either created a movement dedicated to deporting himself, or he is trying to change the WN movement in order to make a place for people who do not identify as white.

Blogger S. Thermite September 29, 2016 2:45 AM  

Can we get an Alt-Stormfront? Something less German and more Anglo, given how many times we inheritors of the Magna Carta have kicked the hive-minded Kraut bastards' asses?

Anonymous Forum Poster September 29, 2016 2:56 AM  

"I want to know why clueless faggots can't focus on winning first"

Winning = deporting La Raza Cosmica and building a wall to keep them out. That's the whole point of supporting Trump.

Vox does NOT identify as white and is adamant that he is 100% serious about that. Vox identifies as a member of La Raza Cosmica. We have to take him at his word.

So, first step for Alt-West is deport Vox Day.

Anonymous SciVo September 29, 2016 4:55 AM  

S. Thermite, that's pretty much exactly what the alt-white is; see for example Anglo-Americanism.

Anonymous SciVo September 29, 2016 4:56 AM  

Well, that's more generic alt-right. But you get the idea.

Blogger VD September 29, 2016 5:25 AM  

/pol/, TRS, and DS created the Alt Right. Not Grindr Greggie. Not Counter-Currents. Not Richard Spencer. If you're not a White Nationalist, National Socialist, or Fascist, then you're not apart of the Alt Right.

Neither National Socialists nor Fascists are even right-wing. You guys not only aren't "Alt-Right", you're not even Right at all. You're almost entirely irrelevant already.

No one is paying any attention to you at all except the ADL and the SPLC.

Blogger Old Ez September 29, 2016 8:13 AM  

This was all unnecessary Vox. We would have loved to have you with us.

Anonymous Avalanche September 29, 2016 8:33 AM  

Been a lot of discussion about Milo. I enjoy (most of) his stuff -- he's brilliant and witty and charming as only an (intelligent, snarky, highly educated, very articulate) flaming queen can be -- and man-on-man is he makin' headway for our side even if he IS ... diluting our point? I see Milo as I see Jared Taylor: we MUST provide multiple entryways to the truth. MANY Whites will only get as "far in" as Jared's foyer -- but at LEAST they will be inside our building! Others will find, after a time, that Jared (and Milo) is only presenting part of the problem:

Jared (beautifully!) introduces the *weapon* being wielded against us Whites and our civilization; he is not teaching the "who," merely the "what!"). But, until Whites recognize the weapon (negros, immigration, PC, etc.) AS the weapon, they cannot possibly understand that (((someone))) IS wielding it! Only some of those folks will go on in their awakening to learn WHO is wielding that weapon! But, the ones who make it into Jared’s foyer will be on our side, and know that there is a weapon! (That HAS to suffice for us: MPAI!)

Milo dilutes the whole Alt Right concept: I wince when he dismisses the Alt Right as partly/mostly young folks having fun, making jokes, sending memes, the more outrageous the better! (I flat-out gag when he describes joy at his miscegenation -- but it DOES give him cover with our enemies!) Milo is OUR mirror-reflection of the leftists who have worked so hard to destroy us! Look (back) at how TV, e.g., was filled with "joking" (Archie Bunker and “we are the world” Coke?) and kept surreptitiously moving the goalposts (now it's (((Amy Schumer))), (((Sarah Silverman))), slut walks, and "drinking male tears"!) -- making us and our values the butt of nasty jokes -- until now we cannot even speak up about our values! MILO can attack these poisonous worms (as (((they))) did our traditional values) and make them the butt of nasty jokes in return; he is pulling the shiny cover off the poison. (And we honorable types find it painful: Acknowledge that and carry on. Milo is (mostly) OUR weapon! And when a weapon ceases to suffice, we will move on to better ones.)


The Storm-Fronters (and I was one for several years, some ten years ago!) and their cohort have "finish-line purity" as a higher goal than ACTUALLY finishing (or, hell, even RUNNING!) the race! {shrug} They are also a perfectly fine (in my view) 'end point' (maybe they’re holding the dark basement of the building that Jared holds the foyer of; I guess that makes Milo "queen" of the music room or the media room?) Alas, that they don't see, being trapped by their fury in the basement, that they cannot and will not have an effect on the crowds outside our building. But we NEED them too! The crowds AND the Nazi's. It doesn't matter if the real Nazi were right or wrong: Nazi's are the wrong 'weapon' in the current-year war!


Praetorian wrote: "A wise man once said: cherish your extremists."
Harsh added: "The problem is our extremists are dumber than a truck full of rocks. But I guess they might prove useful as cannon fodder..."

Yes, and we will NEED cannon fodder, because this WILL come to cannons!

And Noah says "...focus on winning first, keeping in mind the whole time that if we don't win, there's no need to hash out the question of just how white is white enough for an ideal ethnostate."

Blogger jandolin September 29, 2016 8:47 AM  














Breitbart is trying to co-opt the Altright movement on behalf of Israel. Breitbart drags Iran into every newstory it can.


Blogger praetorian September 29, 2016 10:26 AM  

Great comment, Avalanche.

Blogger Bard September 29, 2016 10:50 AM  

Yep

Blogger Mr Nicholl September 29, 2016 4:43 PM  

If you "make alliances" with mainstreamers who want to co-opt the movement, the movement will run out of steam. This is not difficult to understand.

A movement by definition is dynamic, always pushing in its own direction according to its own logic. We should never stop or tone it down until we have white countries for whites only.

To refrain from attacking an opportunist like Milo or a sellout or an infiltrator etc. is to sacrifice dynamism and accept the dilution of the message. This is not to say it is not good that people with more mainstream views travel with us. It is. But the aim should be to shift the narrative continuously and relentlessly rightwards. Otherwise we will lose control of the movement and it will become completely denatured.

Blogger Aids Skrillex September 29, 2016 5:36 PM  

Alt right was developed by white people to give a voice to white peoples ethnic and cultural interests.

Alt right has said that Jewish groups would take over the narrative by directing the alt right away from white European interests.

Yet looking at YOUR re-grouping the alt right into two groups alt right and alt white - it would appear that exactly what you are doing!

So how in your words are the alt right wrong about this?

Blogger daniel carvalhana September 29, 2016 7:28 PM  

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Blogger daniel carvalhana September 29, 2016 7:29 PM  

whites are just 5% (350.000.000) of world population

Blogger daniel carvalhana September 29, 2016 7:30 PM  

alt right= pró white activism and anti jew supremascism

Blogger direita September 29, 2016 7:49 PM  

Where is the results of all the Nazi-Hollywood outlets of USA history? There are none. Most of them were headed by jews even. Which brings us to the next point. By the way, I agree that the alt right scene needs more basic style media, appealing to basic normie intellect. But let's have a look at the Dayly Stormer. weev is Anglin's main man. He moves, talks, looks and acts jewish. Auernheim is a jewish name. Hewrote this before going to prison (from which he managed to get out veeery early...): "Any attempt to brand me an anti-Semite is idiotic. I have no problem with any person solely because of their Semitic descent. Take a look at my last name, “Auernheimer”. Think about the likely origins of this name for a second. Even a quick Google reveals its origins. The most famous Auernheimer of history, journalist and author Raoul Auernheimer, had his way boughtfrom the fires of Dachau by his uncle, Theodore Herzl himself. Come on, I have curly hair and brown eyes here. The claim many“journalists” are making that I am some sort of Nazi is preposterous, but I suppose you have to resort to ad hominem when the public overwhelmingly supported me on the basis of the facts of the case."

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20160304021520/http://security.goatse.fr/hypocrites-and-pharisees

Today he promotes this: "Antagonize! Make flagrant references to a Day of the Rope, lynchings, mass murder. " as part of some magical conversion strategy to approach normies
with.

http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8683-i-sing-a-song-of-racewar/

If you watch the video in this thread which he praises, you see a woman who refutes the conversion easily, so who is weev trolling there? He is trolling WN's and you (watch the video, he is trolling you!). If you have aquired some sort of racial profiling knowledge, you know weev is jewish. His face is screaming jew. There is no getting away from this. Maybe they let him out early with a deal. Maybe weev's partner Anglin is part of this move all along. Maybe Anglin is duped into this. Who knows. weev is not to be trusted never.Anglin had a jew (((Joshua Goldberg))) publishing articles for his site under the name Michael Slayer before. That was a big waving red flag already. Something is very wrong with that outfit.

Blogger Pteronarcyd September 29, 2016 8:00 PM  

"Alt right was developed by white people to give a voice to white peoples ethnic and cultural interests."

(((Paul Gottfried))) called for an Alternative Right when he pronounced the Paleoconservative movement dead. The Palecon movement was the anti-Neocon movement, and (((Gottfried))) pronounced it dead because its leaders -- eg, Pat Buchanan -- were personality-challenged. The attempt by neo-Nazis -- ie, (((Socialists))) -- to appropriate the Alt Right brand and drag the ideology Leftward is nothing less than a further pollution of the Anglo Enlightenment by SJWs under the influence of the Franco-Judeo Enlightenment.

Anonymous Anonymous September 29, 2016 8:53 PM  

The Black Plague killed lots of Europeans. Europe survived.

What is to say the current population level of Europe is optimal? Europe might function better with far less people.

OTOH, the influx of alien genes is a bad thing. The Kalergi Plan is still the Kalergi Plan no matter what the population level in absolute terms.

Blogger Pteronarcyd September 30, 2016 9:32 AM  

"Alt right was developed by white people to give a voice to white peoples ethnic and cultural interests."

(((Paul Gottfried))) called for an Alternative Right when he pronounced the Paleoconservative movement dead. The Palecon movement was the anti-Neocon movement, and (((Gottfried))) pronounced it dead because its leaders -- eg, Pat Buchanan -- were personality-challenged. The attempt by neo-Nazis -- ie, (((Socialists))) -- to appropriate the Alt Right brand and drag the ideology Leftward is nothing less than a further pollution of the Anglo Enlightenment by SJWs under the influence of the Franco-Judeo Enlightenment.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft September 30, 2016 10:55 AM  

@36 Logically, no, for potentially multiple reasons.

Collapsing large celestial bodies, such as some of the dwarves, and unstable neutron stars have a tendency(more of a certainty, really) to spin, really, really fast,(due to conservation of angular momentum as mass moves towards the axis, this is often on the order of several times, to hundreds or even thousands of revolutions per second) and that would only accelerate still further as mass contracts farther towards the center. Assuming that time applies at all within the event horizon (up for debate, AFAIK, since the event horizon is where our conceptions of both space and time shatter like cheap porcelain) that rotation is going to be insane, and even a slight rotation would deform the mass of what-have-you inside, so I'm going to say that even event horizons are elliptical in this case.

However, on the other hand, if there's no force keeping the mass inside a black hole from collapsing to infinity (and there might not be...) then the core of a black hole is, indeed, a singularity, a 0 dimensional point. In this case, yes, the event horizon COULD be perfectly spherical... if no other sources of acceleration due to gravity existed in the universe.

Yep, other stars, galaxies, planets, black holes, and objects all contribute to the deformation of event horizons, by reducing their effect at greater distances, thus reducing the event horizon to operating more closely to its source.

So, yeah, nope, even event horizons won't be spherical.

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