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Monday, September 26, 2016

Scott Adams endorses Donald Trump

Scott Adams demonstrates his courage and his willingness to put his life on the line for America in endorsing Donald Trump for President:
As most of you know, I had been endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, for my personal safety, because I live in California. It isn’t safe to be a Trump supporter where I live. And it’s bad for business too. But recently I switched my endorsement to Trump, and I owe you an explanation. So here it goes.

1. Things I Don’t Know: There are many things I don’t know. For example, I don’t know the best way to defeat ISIS. Neither do you. I don’t know the best way to negotiate trade policies. Neither do you. I don’t know the best tax policy to lift all boats. Neither do you. My opinion on abortion is that men should follow the lead of women on that topic because doing so produces the most credible laws. So on most political topics, I don’t know enough to make a decision. Neither do you, but you probably think you do.

Given the uncertainty about each candidate – at least in my own mind – I have been saying I am not smart enough to know who would be the best president. That neutrality changed when Clinton proposed raising estate taxes. I understand that issue and I view it as robbery by government.

I’ll say more about that, plus some other issues I do understand, below.

2. Confiscation of Property: Clinton proposed a new top Estate Tax of 65% on people with net worth over $500 million. Her website goes to great length to obscure the actual policy details, including the fact that taxes would increase on lower value estates as well. See the total lack of transparency here, where the text simply refers to going back to 2009 rates. It is clear that the intent of the page is to mislead, not inform.

So don’t fall for the claim that Clinton has plenty of policy details on her website. She does, but it is organized to mislead, not to inform. That’s far worse than having no details.

The bottom line is that under Clinton’s plan, estate taxes would be higher for anyone with estates over $5 million(ish). I call this a confiscation tax because income taxes have already been paid on this money. In my case, a dollar I earn today will be taxed at about 50% by various government entities, collectively. With Clinton’s plan, my remaining 50 cents will be taxed again at 50% when I die. So the government would take 75% of my earnings from now on.

Yes, I can do clever things with trusts to avoid estate taxes. But that is just welfare for lawyers. If the impact of the estate tax is nothing but higher fees for my attorney, and hassle for me, that isn’t good news either.

You can argue whether an estate tax is fair or unfair, but fairness is an argument for idiots and children. Fairness isn’t an objective quality of the universe. I oppose the estate tax because I was born to modest means and worked 7-days a week for most of my life to be in my current position. (I’m working today, Sunday, as per usual.) And I don’t want to give 75% of my earnings to the government. (Would you?)

3. Party or Wake: It seems to me that Trump supporters are planning for the world’s biggest party on election night whereas Clinton supporters seem to be preparing for a funeral. I want to be invited to the event that doesn’t involve crying and moving to Canada. (This issue isn’t my biggest reason.)

4. Clinton’s Health: To my untrained eyes and ears, Hillary Clinton doesn’t look sufficiently healthy – mentally or otherwise – to be leading the country. If you disagree, take a look at the now-famous “Why aren’t I 50 points ahead” video clip. Likewise, Bill Clinton seems to be in bad shape too, and Hillary wouldn’t be much use to the country if she is taking care of a dying husband on the side.

5. Pacing and Leading: Trump always takes the extreme position on matters of safety and security for the country, even if those positions are unconstitutional, impractical, evil, or something that the military would refuse to do. Normal people see this as a dangerous situation. Trained persuaders like me see this as something called pacing and leading. Trump “paces” the public – meaning he matches them in their emotional state, and then some. He does that with his extreme responses on immigration, fighting ISIS, stop-and-frisk, etc. Once Trump has established himself as the biggest bad-ass on the topic, he is free to “lead,” which we see him do by softening his deportation stand, limiting his stop-and-frisk comment to Chicago, reversing his first answer on penalties for abortion, and so on. If you are not trained in persuasion, Trump look scary. If you understand pacing and leading, you might see him as the safest candidate who has ever gotten this close to the presidency. That’s how I see him.
So brave. Thank you for this, Scott. Scott Adams is a true American hero.

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82 Comments:

Anonymous Andrew E. September 26, 2016 11:34 AM  

Yep, I was critical of him in his comments section (back when he had one) for not taking a clear stand. Now he's made me look like a pussy. Bravo Scott.

Blogger Dave September 26, 2016 11:42 AM  

Fat lot of good it will do in California but I commend his courage. Hope he has some body armor if it's legal there.

Anonymous fop September 26, 2016 11:47 AM  

#NeverDilbert will be trending soon

Anonymous Jack Amok September 26, 2016 11:53 AM  

Oddly enough, I'm far less opposed to estate taxes on really large estates than I used to be, after seeing the social engineering attempts of plutocrats, and even worse, the foundations they set up which have been captured by SJWs.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados September 26, 2016 11:58 AM  

Glad that Scott Adams made the right call once it conflicted with his own enlightened self-interest. I don't totally agree with him about Trump doing so well because he's a good "persuader". That helps, but it wouldn't help if the majority of people didn't already agree with what he was saying to begin with. Persuading just helps with those sitting on the fence. And they'll be more easily swayed by someone who isn't indecisive and takes a strong stand on something.

Trump's campaign didn't begin with the primaries, it began with him months before attacking illegal immigration and bringing the impact it had on the people to forefront in the media and in Congress. Trump's real battle was beating the GOPe and winning the primary, which he did. Clinton was always meant to take a dive for Jeb Bush, and even if she won, well, they had Time Caine as their puppet if she killed over. She'll fold faster than soggy cardboard in the debates tonight. Not that it matters, because the election was already over the moment Trump won the GOP nomination.

Blogger Noah B September 26, 2016 12:01 PM  

If Scott Adams keeps his own money, he's far less likely to use it to make my life miserable than the government is.

@4 As Scott says, people with high net worth do all sorts of things to avoid paying exorbitantly high estate taxes. The main effect is to snare moderately wealthy savers, farmers, and entrepreneurs who aren't sophisticated enough to prepare trusts, nonprofits, multinational corporations, etc.

Blogger lowercaseb (Soft as Pudding) September 26, 2016 12:02 PM  

I've always thought the "endorsing Hillary for my personal safety" was some pretty awesome rhetoric in itself. But as someone who lives and works in San Francisco I can attest that being a public Trump supporter is dangerous to your career and potentially your health. I've mentioned I support Trump around my theatre contacts and after the aghast and appalled reaction, I've found myself not invited to production meetings and planning sessions. No big deal there because I've been pulling away from theatre in this town for several years now.

However, my day job isn't converged, but my coworkers and bosses are big Hillary supporters. I doubt I would get the boot just from my political choice, but I do know that everything I would do after that would be viewed in a weird light. I won't lie to them, but I will admit that I don't make public my views at work.

Luckily, I am competent at my job, so they just assume that I am a democrat. The idea that I might be a card carrying republican and NRA member is something that they can not grasp.

Anonymous TJK September 26, 2016 12:04 PM  

Am I right in seeing this whole set piece with the initial Hillary endorsement (pinning down her supporters as violent) and later switch (highlighting her newly prominent bad points) as a rhetorically effective manoeuvre, or would it be all the same had he endorsed Trump without the flourish?

Blogger Shimshon September 26, 2016 12:04 PM  

I wonder if he figures it's safe now because Trump has all the momentum and the left (the ones who've been threatening him) are demoralized enough to leave him alone now?

It's pretty cool to see someone with such broad brand awareness to raise these issues to such a large audience. He gets somewhere around 6 VDUs (Vox Day Units) of page views (Vox, by definition, of course gets 1; it's an appreciating unit of measure), according to his advertising page. That is incredible exposure.

Blogger Dave September 26, 2016 12:05 PM  

I'm far less opposed to estate taxes on really large estates than I used to be

Because we all know $3.6 Trillion a year just doesn't stretch as far as it used to.

Blogger David-2 September 26, 2016 12:07 PM  

"I was born to modest means and worked 7-days a week for most of my life to be in my current position."

WTF? He didn't build that!

Blogger Shimshon September 26, 2016 12:08 PM  

@7 "I've always thought the "endorsing Hillary for my personal safety" was some pretty awesome rhetoric in itself."

It was. Shiv worthy. And, like the best rhetoric, rooted firmly in the dialectic. He said the threats were greatly diminished after the endorsement. Unless he's making it up. Which I doubt.

Blogger Escoffier September 26, 2016 12:08 PM  

"My opinion on abortion is that men should follow the lead of women on that topic because doing so produces the most credible laws."

Heh Heh heh. Feed Molech, Molech hungry.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 26, 2016 12:11 PM  

Because we all know $3.6 Trillion a year just doesn't stretch as far as it used to.

Oh, I'd be even less opposed to it if the government or some SJW-infested do-gooder outfit didn't get the money. Mostly I just want to break up concentrations of wealth when they try to become self-perpetuating. Maybe if we just blew up the stock market and banking system, it would take care of itself in three generations.

Anonymous damntull September 26, 2016 12:15 PM  

"So brave." "American hero." Are you being sarcastic?

Blogger pyrrhus September 26, 2016 12:15 PM  

The estate tax is pure theft. And all of those assets have been taxed before, usually multiple times. Nor does it bring in much money, so Hillary is just pandering to the crazies, as usual.

Blogger Earl September 26, 2016 12:15 PM  

You should be opposed to estate taxes under Hilary because they will not apply to her and her friends and their foundations. Only to you and your friends if you stand in her way.

Anonymous Fran September 26, 2016 12:15 PM  

@13
Thank you. About time some one mentioned that. Let the woman lead us to slaughter innocent babies, indeed!
Not that Trump was going to do anything for that . I just don't know why Scott even bothered to mention it. Virtue signaling?

Anonymous BGKB September 26, 2016 12:17 PM  

and Hillary wouldn’t be much use to the country if she is taking care of a dying husband on the side

HilLIARy would KILL BILL for a point in the polls, and eat her grandkid for 10.

"My opinion on abortion is that men should follow the lead of women on that topic because doing so produces the most credible laws."

If that happens we will be paying women to get abortions.

Blogger Earl September 26, 2016 12:18 PM  

My opinion on disciplining your wife with a stick no wider than your thumb is that women should follow the lead of men on that topic...

Anonymous Smile Of The Shadow September 26, 2016 12:19 PM  

This is about the most brilliant post I've seen re: the election. Lays it out crystal clear.

Blogger Nate September 26, 2016 12:20 PM  

"My opinion on abortion is that men should follow the lead of women on that topic because doing so produces the most credible laws. "

Not gonna derail a whole thread with it... but that is damn retarded.

Blogger Basil Makedon September 26, 2016 12:24 PM  

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Blogger Basil Makedon September 26, 2016 12:24 PM  

Bravo Scott Adams, he just sold a book (to me). Adams has also led and paced like a champion.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 26, 2016 12:25 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Because we all know $3.6 Trillion a year just doesn't stretch as far as it used to.

Oh, I'd be even less opposed to it if the government or some SJW-infested do-gooder outfit didn't get the money. Mostly I just want to break up concentrations of wealth when they try to become self-perpetuating. Maybe if we just blew up the stock market and banking system, it would take care of itself in three generations.


Most of the harmful orgs out there are either largely funded by Soros or the government itself. Soros is one man that should have been jailed years ago. If real leadership ever got elected in this country he would be extradited.

The best way to stop the government from funding the rest of them is to starve the cash flow into the government. The estate tax is not the way to accomplish that.

Blogger S1AL September 26, 2016 12:25 PM  

"Not gonna derail a whole thread with it... but that is damn retarded."

Case study #23594 in why amoral libertarianism doesn't work.

Anonymous Helton September 26, 2016 12:25 PM  

@22 - Nate, that's him covering his butt so they don't get all Kratman on him there in Cali. He's fresh out of "get out of impalement free" cards. Whether or not he actually believes it I have no idea; it may be just as tongue-in-cheek as his strip.

Anonymous Broken Arrow September 26, 2016 12:27 PM  

@22 He admits that this opinion is so far out of the mainstream that no serious candidate will ever represent him so it's a non-issue for him in reality.

Anonymous fop September 26, 2016 12:33 PM  

Oddly enough, I'm far less opposed to estate taxes on really large estates than I used to be, after seeing the social engineering attempts of plutocrats, and even worse, the foundations they set up which have been captured by SJWs.

It's much easier to tar and feather a single plutocrat than an entire government agency.

Blogger praetorian September 26, 2016 12:34 PM  

Scott Adams entire fortune was built by slaves out of cotton.

The idea that he earned anything is racist, sexist, homophobic and heteronormative. He is surrounded by his privilege and, by the way, have I mentioned that he is A FUCKING WHITE MALE?

Checkmate, racists.

Anonymous fop September 26, 2016 12:37 PM  

"men should follow the lead of women on that topic because doing so produces the most credible laws."

6 months paid leave to have an abortion, and free government funded Doritos and Haagen-Dazs!

Anonymous BGKB September 26, 2016 12:45 PM  

TRUMPSLIDE http://dcwhispers.com/wow-trump-breaks-early-voting-record-florida-national-landslide-looms/#dSpE6Zo1lt85AlXF.01

Anonymous DT September 26, 2016 12:49 PM  

Supporting Trump in California?

Somebody get him the phone number of that unicorn security team that Spacebunny hired, ASAP! He's going to need it.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 26, 2016 12:50 PM  

Checked realclearpolitics... looks like Colorado will be the next one to slip away from the Wicked Witch.

Anonymous DT September 26, 2016 12:51 PM  

@31 - 6 months paid leave to have an abortion, and free government funded Doritos and Haagen-Dazs!

No, no, no. It's 2 months paid leave with Doritos and Haagen-Dazs if they are "triggered." It's one whole year for an abortion.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric September 26, 2016 12:53 PM  

Related to the ongoing preference cascade: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/26/analysis-donald-trump-would-win-election-today-based-current-polling/

Anonymous Ironsides September 26, 2016 12:58 PM  

His Uriah Heep writhing about deporting illegal invaders being "evil" and "extreme" disgusts me utterly. He's still a cuck and a traitor to the depths of his soul.

But if he endorses Trump, then I'll give him a brief nod of acknowledgment as being slightly useful for once, before filing him alongside all the other traitors again.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 26, 2016 12:59 PM  

@BGKB
That's very interesting. While there were more Democrats than Republicans getting ballots for the primaries, the Republicans were considerably more likely to order early ballots for the general.

My guess: the Dems are deflated after Bernie ended his campaign, and their enthusiasm for Hillary is sluggish, to say the least.

Which is rather funny, considering that the Democrats are now saying that enthusiasm doesn't matter and that Hillary voters will show up to the polls no matter what.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 26, 2016 1:10 PM  

People forget that Scott, while now an official Trump supporter, is still a NY liberal at heart.

Blogger Scott September 26, 2016 1:17 PM  

Are you kidding me?!!!

Blogger dienw September 26, 2016 1:19 PM  

"...or something that the military would refuse to do"

From the evidence seen under Clinton and Obama, just what is it that the military will not do?

Blogger dienw September 26, 2016 1:20 PM  

"Clinton was always meant to take a dive for Jeb Bush"

You weren't paying attention.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 26, 2016 1:23 PM  

"Clinton was always meant to take a dive for Jeb Bush"

You weren't paying attention.


I had always assumed that it was Jeb who was meant to take a dive for Hillary, but I suppose it could have gone either way.

Anonymous TJK September 26, 2016 1:23 PM  

@15
Well, Scott Adams IS explicitly putting what is left to posterity above his own safety here.

Blogger wired216 September 26, 2016 1:36 PM  

Rush just read that on air. As I was reading this. Good times, good times.

Blogger Natalie September 26, 2016 1:49 PM  

I think Hillary taking a dive for Jeb has some credibility. She would have run a strong campaign against the GOP and made him look all sorts of foolish and then, if her health was where they thought it might be after the debates, she could bow out as the acknowledged front runner and hold a joint press conference with Jeb praising her courage and principles and yadda yadda and vowing to remember her example when he takes office. It would be the next best thing to actually getting the crown. She'd go out "looking good", and TPTB would get a standard cuck president. When she died of a stroke 6mo or a year later everyone would run retrospectives and preen about how she always put the country above her own interests. If part of her ambition is legacy then she might do it. Everyone loves a good tragedy.

Now - TPTB are having to deal with Trump and don't give a rat's toenails about Hillary's health or legacy. They're running her into the ground a losing because it's all they've got at this point.

Blogger lowercaseb (Soft as Pudding) September 26, 2016 1:52 PM  

praetorian wrote:Scott Adams entire fortune was built by slaves out of cotton.

The idea that he earned anything is racist, sexist, homophobic and heteronormative.

...

Checkmate, racists.


I know you are a fellow San Franciscan, but it terrifies me how good you are speaking the native language.

My privilege...it has been checked!

Anonymous Avalanche September 26, 2016 1:57 PM  

@25 “If real leadership ever got elected in this country he would be extradited.”

FIFY: If real leadership ever got elected in this country [Soros] would be executed.

Blogger lowercaseb (Soft as Pudding) September 26, 2016 2:01 PM  

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Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric September 26, 2016 2:02 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:People forget that Scott, while now an official Trump supporter, is still a NY liberal at heart.
How can anyone forget, when he reminds us with every single post he makes? Blegh.

Adams has done some useful work in interpreting this election with a new lens, but his monomania with regards to persuasion theory and hypnosis as well as his completely dead wrong position on a number of issues, which he refuses to revisit, because of his monomania making him completely not trust anything that doesn't already support what he wants to believe, means that his utility is certainly very limited.

Blogger OGRE September 26, 2016 2:04 PM  

re: estate taxes

The big issue with her plan to increase estate taxes is not the 65% on the highest value estates, although that is plenty objectionable. But that would only affect a few hundred households in the entire country. The real nut cruncher is abolishing the step-up-in-value. That would affect a large number of estates, even plenty that would be small enough to avoid all estate taxes otherwise.

This is a fairly insidious tax increase. The step-up-in-basis works like this currently. When a person dies and passes on an asset to his heirs, say the family home, the value of an asset for purposes of determining capital gains taxes is based on the date of death and not the original purchase price. Hence the base value is 'stepped up.' For example, Grandma bought her house in 1960 for 50K, she passes away on 1/1/16 and the house is worth 500k. The estate sells the house on 7/1/16 for 505k. The total capital gains tax due is based on the 5k difference between the value of 1/1/16 and 7/1/16.

Under Clinton's plan, the value for capital gains would instead be 455K...the difference from the original purchase price in 1960 and the value for when it is sold in 2016. That results in a massive tax burden on the beneficiaries. Even if thats the only asset in the estate, such that there would be no estate taxes at all, the beneficiaries are now looking at a huge tax liability.

This is the type of tax increase that can hit the middle class the hardest. And in many instances it could nearly wipe out any wealth transfers between generations.

Anonymous kfg September 26, 2016 2:23 PM  

"Hillary wouldn’t be much use to the country if she is taking care of a dying husband on the side."

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that, Scott. Hillary has plenty of experience "taking care of" people who die.

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Blogger Noah B September 26, 2016 2:26 PM  

My opinion on abortion is that men should follow the lead of women on that topic because doing so produces the most credible laws.

I just took this to mean that he advocates men killing those whom we happen to find inconvenient at any given moment.

Blogger lowercaseb (Soft as Pudding) September 26, 2016 2:28 PM  

Nate wrote:"My opinion on abortion is that men should follow the lead of women on that topic because doing so produces the most credible laws. "

Not gonna derail a whole thread with it... but that is damn retarded.


(re-posting because one dumb typo changed the entire meaning of one of my sentences.)

I don't think it's firing right by calling him out on it.

Like you said it's not worth turning it into a firestorm, but he owned the statement, so I think he's got thick enough skin to be held to account for it.

...however, like Milo he is kicking ass and taking names. I may not agree with Milo's sexual choices, but he doing a hell of lot better job than me of fighting the fight.

Blogger Student in Blue September 26, 2016 2:35 PM  

It's still baffling how people were taking Scott Adam at face value when he endorsed Hillary, when he was VERY clearly being tongue-in-cheek.

Maybe I'm just overestimating most people's reading skills.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 September 26, 2016 2:41 PM  

@4 without the estate taxes there would be no incentive for them to create social engineering trusts that pay their great great grandkids high 6-figure salaries.

They could just pass it all on to their idiot grandkids who die of heroine overdose with no issue having it end up as property of the state. Many employed whores, sports car manufactures, and artisans making princelings look like Michelangelo's David in the mean time.

---

I was watching football yesterday afternoon (Chicago broadcast media market). I was getting an adult beverage and there was some political ad mumbling on and I catch "I am Donald Trump and I approve this message" In Chicago.. I texted a buddy saying that was a waste of money and he texted back saying a poll a couple days ago saying he was down 6 points in Illinois. Now obviously all IL polls are suspect because the dead don't answer the telephone, but that is pretty nuts.

Will Best

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados September 26, 2016 2:45 PM  

@42 & 43

Yeah. Remember, we're not dealing with two parties, but really one party acting like two. I mean look at how they BOTH reacted to Trump, especially the GOP, even when it was becoming clear that Trump was a LOT more popular than people expected. It was supposed to be Jeb, then they tried to get support behind Rubio (for five minutes), then in desperation around Ted Cruz. Then when he hung himself, all that money went behind Hillary. I contend she was never supposed to win, but even if she did, well, Wall Street or whoever had their puppet. Trump isn't controlled by anybody, so the various moneyed interests are losing their shit.

So now Hillary basically went from a "I don't really have to put in any effort" campaign to a "Holy shit I slacked off the entire semester and now I gotta cram for my midterms in one week." Trump has adroitly stomped all over her, the MSM, and the Establishment for over a year now. This debate doesn't even really matter (because the primary debates didn't matter). There's not really a downside for Trump because we all know the media is in the tank for the Establishment. However, there's plenty of opportunities for Hillary to choke. She can have health issues, she can have her dirty laundry thrown at her by Trump. Her horrible track record in the State Department can be brought up.

She clearly has all this baggage that an Establishment politician would have likely ignored, but Trump won't, and considering how reviled the MSM is, Trump cutting through their BS isn't going to make him look bad, it's going to make him look like the kind of guy that's going to bulldoze over anything in his path to give the People of this country what they want.

No more phonies, no more wimps. We want to win, and we have chosen our champion. Stick a fork in the bitch, because she' done.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist September 26, 2016 3:00 PM  

@Noah B wins the internet for today.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 26, 2016 3:06 PM  

"Not gonna derail a whole thread with it... but that is damn retarded."

Well, while I agree with you technically, the proper word is not "retarded", it is "wicked". Or, if you prefer, "sinful".

Blogger VD September 26, 2016 3:08 PM  

I don't think it's firing right by calling him out on it.

Yes, it is. Calling someone out IS firing on them. What part of "praise publicly, criticize publicly" do you not understand?

Seriously, how hard is it to understand that an ally IS NOT YOU. An ally DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU ON EVERYTHING.

Blogger VD September 26, 2016 3:08 PM  

I don't think it's firing right by calling him out on it.

Yes, it is. Calling someone out IS firing on them. What part of "praise publicly, criticize publicly" do you not understand?

Seriously, how hard is it to understand that an ally IS NOT YOU. An ally DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU ON EVERYTHING.

Blogger Bernard Brandt September 26, 2016 3:28 PM  

@56:

"It's still baffling how people were taking Scott Adam at face value when he endorsed Hillary, when he was VERY clearly being tongue-in-cheek.

"Maybe I'm just overestimating most people's reading skills."

No, you were overestimating most people's thinking skills.

Silly boy.

Anonymous Siobhan September 26, 2016 4:10 PM  

Thank you so much for calling this out. We are house poor, but the house is a now-ridiculously-valuable Victorian in SF. It has been a comfort to me to plan to leave it, paid off, to the kids as the bulk of their inheritance. Her plan as you articulate it would fuck us up completely.

Blogger lowercaseb (Soft as Pudding) September 26, 2016 4:15 PM  

VD wrote:I don't think it's firing right by calling him out on it.

Yes, it is. Calling someone out IS firing on them. What part of "praise publicly, criticize publicly" do you not understand?


Point taken and chastisement is deserved. I wanted to make a point about working together even if you disagree, but I so clumsily stated it that I ended up making more waves rather than smoothing them out.

Sorry about that folks...I'll think more before posting next time.

Anonymous Siobhan September 26, 2016 4:28 PM  

OT: bizarre article about the alt-right on the Washington Post web site:

These charts show exactly how racist and radical the alt-right has gotten this year

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/09/26/these-charts-show-exactly-how-racist-and-radical-the-alt-right-has-gotten-this-year/

Anonymous Discard September 26, 2016 4:30 PM  

VD: Perhaps I missed something, but oughtn't it be "Praise publicly, criticize privately"?

Anonymous Jack Amok September 26, 2016 4:43 PM  

"Less opposed than I used to be" isn't the same as "support", especially when it Broomhillary's plan. It's funny Adams last straw is something I'm far less concerned about than I used to be. If Trump came out with the same plan but the rest of his program was unchanged, I wouldn't be bothered by it.

But, see the forest for the trees. Like Vox, I used to support free trade and considered myself a small-L libertarian. I'm willing to reconsider positions in light of new experience.

I'm not "for" an estate tax, but I would listen to a proposal.

Anonymous DT September 26, 2016 5:13 PM  

@66 - These charts show exactly how racist and radical the alt-right has gotten this year

And now for the Alt-Right weather report...

Tomorrow will have a 30% chance of radical posts with a high of 85 posts about SJWs and a low of 60 posts about Islam.

Over the weekend though things are going to get very racist and sexist. Expect highs up to 100 for posts about Black Lives Matter, with lows of 70 posts for #HillarysHealth.

There's also a small chance of isolated shit storms for those in the LBGTQA areas. We recommend anyone in those areas with severe triggering issues to stay in a safe space over the weekend.

Now back to you Bob....

OpenID simplytimothy September 26, 2016 6:39 PM  

Vox, Scott Adams tweeted this link

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-special-1474910731


Where a Mr. Cialdini asserts that

In contests of persuasion, counterarguments are typically more powerful than arguments.


This superiority emerges especially when a counterclaim does more than refute a rival’s claim by showing it to be mistaken or misdirected in the particular instance, but does so instead by showing the rival communicator to be an untrustworthy source of information, generally.

Issuing a counterargument demonstrating that an opponent’s argument is not to be believed because its maker is misinformed on the topic will usually succeed on that singular issue.

But a counterargument that undermines an opponent’s argument by showing him or her to be dishonest in the matter will normally win that battle plus future battles with the opponent.



Which looks like one for the rhetoric file.

I am entertaining the idea that this observation is not true in some cultures, where lying the best is celebrated.


Anonymous BGKB September 26, 2016 7:45 PM  

And now for the Alt-Right weather report...Tomorrow will have a 30% chance of...Over the weekend though things are going to get very racist and sexist

There is also a 100% chance that anyone who wouldn't have sex with a HIV+ black tranny is a bigot.

Democrats are now saying that enthusiasm doesn't matter and that Hillary voters will show up to the polls no matter what.

The voting dead don't need enthusiasm

"...or something that the military would refuse to do" From the evidence seen under Clinton and Obama

First they made men wear fake pregnancy bellies so they would empathize with women skipping out on deployments, now all Seamen will have to take tranny classes by 2017.

I had always assumed that it was Jeb who was meant to take a dive for Hillary, but I suppose it could have gone either way

I thought they were both the same crony establishment candidate. Did you notice they both have ugly brown housekeepers for lovers? When I first saw Jeb with his wife I thought "the plane boss the plane"

51 Under Clinton's plan, the value for capital gains would instead be 455K...the difference from the original purchase price in 1960 and

That's because the dollar took a major hit. $10 face value of pre 1965 silver coins has a smelted down value of around $180 of silver, and it was less than $10 before.

I may not agree with Milo's sexual choices, but he doing a hell of lot better job than me of fighting the fight.

Part of me wonders if he saw my BGS services statement and decided to run with it. I couldn't have pulled it off as well as MILO though, I don't have any $10,000+ outfits & no longer date jews or Hispanics for cover. But I do know he couldn't beat me if there was a live game show "Don't Garrote Fewer Felons Than A Faggot", but maybe he could come on as a celebrity guest contestant.

Blogger Terrekain September 26, 2016 10:34 PM  

Brave?

Scott Adams was deriding Trump and getting published in every Left wing publication for it when the Trump campaign was at its most vulnerable infancy.

Brave?

The sycophant Nate Silver flipped to Trump sooner than Scott Adams. Nate Silver, with his phony gas-lighting statistics claiming that Hillary had an 80% chance of winning the Presidency a couple of months ago.

Brave?

Rewind the campaign to what people were saying in the Spring of 2015, and see who was really brave. There are a select few, and Scott Adams was not among them.

Blogger Terrekain September 26, 2016 10:53 PM  

damntull: "So brave." "American hero." Are you being sarcastic?

Vox, Scott Adams, Milo, and the like are on the same mission to lay claim to the "movement" Trump is leading.

Obviously, that can't be done especially in Scott Adams' case when he tried his snakebite tactic of first delegitimizing Trump, then damning him with faint praise, then endorsing his opponent Hillary.

As if Scott Adams were Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin. The guy has no standing in Right-Wing politics - at all. He is beloved by the subversive elements that have always plagued the Right.

He IS the subversive element.

Student in Blue: "It's still baffling how people were taking Scott Adam at face value when he endorsed Hillary, when he was VERY clearly being tongue-in-cheek.

Maybe I'm just overestimating most people's reading skills."

Horsecrap.

Even Scott Adams knows he can't get away with that and even admits in his endorsement of Trump that he endorsed Hillary. The bigger lie is that he was somehow praising Trump, when everyone with basic "reading skills" could tell that he was expressing contempt for Trump.

Adams is a typical "moderate" like David Frum, heavy on mendacity, lacking sincerity, and always speaking with a forked tongue. That might make him amusing to the tech crowd who delight in self-flagellating dark humor of their profession, but it doesn't mean he's a guiding light for integrity - quite the opposite, if anything.

Blogger Thucydides September 27, 2016 12:29 AM  

Even Scott Adams "gets" what is being proposed; the effective destruction of the ability to accumulate and pass on wealth by poor and middle class families. This is the ultimate "take down" of an entire class of people; children will always be disadvantaged because they will not have access to accumulated capital to start them off.

This is really the same old game of the establishment getting theirs and pulling the ladder up behind them. My home town is so welcoming to new business that they insisted that food trucks have GPS trackers (like criminals) and menus would have to be examined by city bureaucrats to ensure "diversity of food choices", whatever that is supposed to mean.

Trump may be a fool and buffoon like the media portrays him, but he represents the raised finger to the establishment that believes they are entitled to the fruits of your labour and time, which is the real reason that Americans are gathering behind him. Efforts like the Alt right, Alt West and even Alt lite relaying the intellectual groundwork for what comes after Trump takes down the establishment. As much as the Alt Right and others might not admit it, Bernie Sanders is an equally important part of the movement to disempower the oligarchy that controls the levers of power. Given that it is almost certain that many of the primaries were stolen from the Bernie Bro's by Democrat establishment vote rigging, it is interesting to speculate on how the election would have looked if it were Sanders vs Trump. A very stark exposure of Left vs Right in American politics (Hillary at least pretends to be in the centre, although the Democrats have moved the Centre very far to the left over the decades), and given the rabid enthusiasm of Sanders supporters, it isn't clear to me that Trump would be able to overcome the "Vote for me, I'll take his stuff and give it to you" message of a Sanders campaign.

Blogger warrl September 27, 2016 2:50 AM  

Regarding the estate tax: it has always puzzled me how forcing an estate worth $5M to sell out - for cash to pay the estate tax - to the sort of people who have $5M in cash laying around easily accessible (and therefore probably have tens of millions, to billions, of dollars worth of other assets), is supposed to reduce the concentration of wealth.

Blogger SciVo September 27, 2016 4:31 AM  

Discard wrote:VD: Perhaps I missed something, but oughtn't it be "Praise publicly, criticize privately"?

So... you disagree with your correction? It's funny/sad how we prove ourselves right about the races being different, since simple tribalism is hard for us; while everyone else lies like crazy (in order to take advantage of that weakness) and says everyone is the same, while preferring themselves.

Blogger SciVo September 27, 2016 4:48 AM  

Terrekain wrote:Student in Blue: "It's still baffling how people were taking Scott Adam at face value when he endorsed Hillary, when he was VERY clearly being tongue-in-cheek.

Maybe I'm just overestimating most people's reading skills."

Horsecrap.

Even Scott Adams knows he can't get away with that and even admits in his endorsement of Trump that he endorsed Hillary. The bigger lie is that he was somehow praising Trump, when everyone with basic "reading skills" could tell that he was expressing contempt for Trump.


Not this again. You're both wrong. His skills with inducing cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias are such that most people see what they want to see, good or bad. He may have an actual preference, but we will never know it for sure, unless we measure his effect and assume that it was intentional.

Blogger SciVo September 27, 2016 5:02 AM  

For example, if I interpret Scott Adams as following the three-act formula that I just linked to him talking about, then he's clearly been a Trump supporter all along. But that is not an objective interpretation. You have to make assumptions.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 27, 2016 11:57 AM  

it has always puzzled me how forcing an estate worth $5M to sell out - for cash to pay the estate tax - to the sort of people who have $5M in cash laying around easily accessible (and therefore probably have tens of millions, to billions, of dollars worth of other assets), is supposed to reduce the concentration of wealth.

Good point.

Anonymous Discard September 29, 2016 1:08 AM  

76. SciVo: I really must have missed something. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Don't air your dirty laundry in public. If you have a beef with a friend or ally, sort it out in private rather than telling the world.

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OpenID 15989f78-897d-11e6-8c20-ab3b3a98dd89 October 03, 2016 11:22 AM  

I am so disappointed to hear that someone that I thought was a clear thinking intelligent person would/could endorse Trump. I've purchased Dilbert merchandise for as long as it's been available, but never again. I'll put my money where my conscious is.

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