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Sunday, September 25, 2016

Taxonomy vs marketing

I'm not sure that many in the Alt-White understand the concept of branding very well despite their concerns on that score. More importantly, they're either projecting or confusing me with others when they express concerns about my interest in subverting anything, let alone their activities. There is a division of opinion in the Alt-White over everything that is not Alt-White but could, reasonably, be described as Alt-Right. I tend to agree with Michael Bell's opinion, as he wrote:
While we pursue our goal of fully occupying the helm of the Alt Right, we must recognize that those who are not fully on board with all of our principles can nonetheless be considered a part of the Alt Right provided they aid us in our efforts and do not work to contradict us. Many of these types can eventually be turned into full White Nationalists anyway, as their views are only a few inches away from ours. To quote Lawrence Murray, “The big tent is worth preserving to persevere against our common enemies, for our struggle is revolutionary.”
Notice that key phrase: "our goal of fully occupying the helm of the Alt Right". It's just a goal. It's not a reality, an identity, or anything material, it's an objective. It's not an unreasonable objective, especially since their efforts are necessary, though not sufficient, to preserve Western civilization. Greg Johnson himself has freely admitted that most of what the Alt Right actually means predates the NPI sense, he is merely attempting to fill what he calls "a vacuum", but it cannot be a vacuum because there is a long history of the Alternative Right that has been read out of the conservative movement for generations.

Fashy McQueen represents the view opposed to Michael Bell, and the weakness of his position can be readily seen in the way he presents his case:
“Alt-Right” has become an internationally-recognized brand that only fools would carelessly dilute or abandon. Nazi Shitlords™ know the importance of branding, terminology, and propaganda. They use these weapons every day. And the term “Alt-Right” has become their most powerful weapon in attacking the enemy, and recruiting the masses into White Nationalism at an exponential rate....  The name “Alt-Right” has become the most powerful brand of White Nationalism in over 70 years. And it happened almost by accident. The stars aligned. It may never happen again.
This is the same magical thinking that is used to justify calling crippled people "handicapable" and negroes "blacks", then "Afro-Americans", then "African-Americans".  It is the belief that an object or a concept is intrinsically altered by the label. But if Greg Johnson is correct and Alt Right means literally nothing more than "White Nationalist", then it will soon be as effective and appealing a brand as "White Nationalist" presently is. The underlying essence is not changed one iota by calling X something else, such as Y, so long as it remains fundamentally X.

This small-tent Alt-White is not only caught in the trap of magical thinking, it genuinely can't distinguish between friend, ally, and enemy. Also from Fashy's extended comment:
Vox Day is currently attempting his own subversive version of redefining the Alt-Right to include himself, and to purge the Alt-Right’s staunchly White Nationalist core. These hostile attempts to redefine the term “Alt-Right” must be fought mercilessly — not invited.
First, I will again point out that I am not redefining anything. The Alt-White is, by their own admission, attempting to redefine Alt-Right in order to claim it for themselves and themselves alone. Are they really the only Alternative Right? Are they the only genuine alternative to mainstream conservatism? No, obviously not.

So, how are all those alternative right people, who subscribe many or even most of the 16 Points I have laid out, but are not a full-blown "White Nationalist", or as I would put it, Alt-White, to be described? What do they call themselves? Even Fashy admits they considerably outnumber his "Alt-Right", after all. It accomplishes nothing to simply pretend that they don't exist, as much as the Left would like to do so.

Second, the reality is that whatever those people call themselves WILL become the dominant alternative to the mainstream right, because they ARE the strongest alternative to it. The Alt-White is only a subset of that, a vital subset, to be sure, but a subset nonetheless. Is it better for the Alt-White to be part of the Alt-Right, or is it better for the Alt-Right to be part of this nameless alternative to the mainstream Right? But whether we call it the Alt-Right or the Nameless Broad-Spectrum Alternative, that is the primary alternative.

I suspect the Alt-White has a hard time accepting the observable limits to their subset because they are mostly Americans, and are therefore blind to the fact that the vast majority of white European nationalists are not, and will never be, generic white nationalists. I have repeatedly tried to explain this, on both TRS and the Counter-Currents podcast as well as here on VP, and their only response to date has been that they think they can sense a generic white consciousness beginning to come into being.

And it's true, they surely can... in the USA where generic whites are under attack for being white and where the Republican Party is in the process of being transformed into the White American Party. That is not the case in Europe, and it will not be the case, because the generic aspect is working in precisely the opposite direction here, as Muslims of many diverse nations are lumped together as generic Muslims and are thereby beginning to form a generic "Euro-Muslim" identity. Moreover, Europeans are hostile to pan-Europeanism in a way that most Americans don't understand due to the egregious, anti-democratic excesses of the European Union. The British people just voted to get out of the European Union, so it should be readily apparent that they're not even remotely inclined to sign up for generic white pan-nationalism.

In any event, it should be obvious that I am not even remotely hostile to white nationalism nor do I have any intention of subverting it for any purpose, let alone a nefarious one. I am not at all concerned about being excluded from anything; as longtime readers here know, I really don't go in for joining things as a general rule but prefer to do my own thing. Fortunately, the big-tent branch seems to more or less grasp this, as Bell writes of his Fourth Tier of the Alt-Right
Beneath this caste I would place the people who work to combat the professional and intellectual thuggery of the Social Justice Warriors and very particular Leftist narratives, but who don’t have any kind of overarching pro-White, pro-Western, or anti-Semitic ideology driving it. Author and video-game designer Vox Day goes here. In fact, I would elect him the leader of this caste if such a thing existed. He was an outspoken supporter of Gamergate and organized the Rabid Puppies movement, which at its core sought to diminish the influence of Left-minded authors like George R. R. Martin over the science-fiction Hugo Awards. Rather than giving awards to books about transexual vampires fighting against homophobic dragons, Day and his followers felt that the science fiction community should once again seek to emulate luminaries like J. R. R. Tolkien and Frank Herbert, who were essentially pro-Western and Right-wing in their thought. His book SJWs Always Lie is a must read for every member of the Alt Right. Of course, he is only part-white and does not explicitly push a pro-white or pro-Western agenda (though he comes close.)
Regardless of whether one's interest is taxonomic or marketing, it is worthwhile to discuss these matters with those who don't share one's opinion, which is why I have invited Greg Johnson to appear on a public Brainstorm to discuss Alt-Right, Alt-White, and Alt-Lite, and to present his own perspective on the subject.

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Anonymous Icicle September 25, 2016 6:50 PM  

There are different types of white. Finnish are not Irish. That might come as a shock to parochial people.

Anonymous Wyrd September 25, 2016 6:54 PM  

The Daily Stormer is beyond tedious. Aside from a few humorous pics here and there, I found the site far too monomaniacal. Heil Hitler? Fuck off.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 25, 2016 6:56 PM  

I am continually amazed at how clueless Americans have become. It has reached a point where they can't even comprehend the notion of an ethnic group, at least as it would apply to Americans. See e.g .the retarded questions posted here re "Am I white? Are Jews white?" As though that matters or would necessarily make them any more welcome than non-white foreigners.

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 6:58 PM  

The fact that Jews are not white should be perfectly obvious.

Blogger Escoffier September 25, 2016 7:01 PM  

I have to agree all who have asked how is including the 14 words not enough?

Having had to herd kittens in the kitchens there's definitely a part of me that feels like bonking some heads together like coconuts and saying can't you assholes just get along? We have a people to save.

Blogger GFR September 25, 2016 7:07 PM  

blacks and hispanics see jews as white. imo most ordinary jews see themselves as White.

Blogger praetorian September 25, 2016 7:09 PM  

Which is why I have invited Greg Johnson to appear on a public Brainstorm to discuss Alt-Right, Alt-White, and Alt-Lite, and to present his own perspective on the subject.

Burying the lede, the blog post.

FANTASTIC.

Please also discuss Aristotle and Plato. (You regard Plato as a fraud, which is my general impression, but I think Greg admires him. Hearing you guys discuss him, as well as modern takes on Aristotle would be really neat.)

Anonymous Wyrd September 25, 2016 7:11 PM  

blacks and hispanics see jews as white. imo most ordinary jews see themselves as White.

They also see eastern Asians as honorary Whites. Gotsta keep the gibsmedat flowing because muh oppression!

Blogger Salt September 25, 2016 7:11 PM  

Are they the only genuine alternative to mainstream conservatism? No, obviously not.

They are in the same sense as SJWs believe themselves the holders of virtue.

Anonymous Patron September 25, 2016 7:12 PM  

"Perhaps it is because they are mostly Americans that they are blind to the fact that the vast majority of white European nationalists are not, and will never be, generic white nationalists."

Indeed. Certainly the European nations often have close ties (the Germans apparently like celebrating our "Last Night of the Proms", complete with Union Jacks & Rule Britannia), we also have a lot of, ah, history as well. We Brits don't want to be ruled from Paris or Berlin, the French don't want to be ruled from London or Berlin, and the only Germans who want to be ruled from anywhere but Berlin are the ones who still feel guilty over their (grand)parents' actions in WW2*...

Sir Humphrey: Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe.

(Given the fractures in the EU right now, one wonders if Sir Humphrey was right all along...)

It's a bit different in the USA due to all the immigration and cultural differences that developed, but... well frankly the idea of "white nationalism" as a pan-European thing... God no. Pan-European white nationalism... I mean I guess that makes sense as an *EU* project, but the mind boggles at the Commissioners in Brussels giving it the go-ahead...

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*Speaking of Yes Minister (aka the comedy that multiple British PMs have said is very true to life)...

Hacker: That certainly doesn't apply to the Germans.
Sir Humphrey: No no they went in to cleanse themselves of genocide and apply for re-admission to the human race.

Explains so much about the current situation IMHO.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 7:12 PM  

imo most ordinary jews see themselves as White.

No, they don't. They clearly see themselves as a tribe apart. They express zero kinship with Finns, Germans, or even Italians, to whom they are actually related.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 25, 2016 7:13 PM  

Between the inter-ethnic mixing in the US and 50 years of white Americans being beaten with the club of "Raycism" it should be not surprising that white Americans don't really understand European whites, nor should it be a surprise that the alt-White is extremely defensive.

Enough Irish, Italians, Germans and Nordics have intermarried in parts of the US to create a more or less generic "white" person, who is supposed to be ritually ashamed of the color of their skin because it reflects their terrible character. Add in geographical mobility, where white Americans may live on a couple of different coasts in a decade and there's just a different cultural set of assumptions. So Americans are just not going to "get" the fact that Hungarians are different from Poles and Romanians and Slovaks in ways that New Yorkers, Floridians, Texans and Californians are not.

On the other hand, I don't believe Europeans really get just how much blatant, in-your-face, naked propagandistic hatred that white Americans have had dumped on them for a couple of generations now. That brainwashing now appears to be running out of momentum, with the result that a lot of Noticing is going on from top to bottom of US society.

tl;dr
Let 10,000 alt-Rights bloom. Let there be a Polish alt-Right, a Hungarian alt-Right, an English alt-Right. Let the Americans work with what works for them, and everyone else find what works for them. Let there be only enemies to the Left, and only allies to the Right. Because 14 words.

Because facts are facts, no matter how Rayciss

Blogger praetorian September 25, 2016 7:14 PM  

There are different types of white. Finnish are not Irish. That might come as a shock to parochial people.

E Michael Jones would agree with you, as would most Europeans.

As Vox says, "white" mainly make sense in America, where Anglos mixed with Germans, Nords, Irish, etc. to make a general "white" race, with some cultural and genetic connection with the rest of the Anglosphere.

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 7:17 PM  

I feel kinship with Estonians. I tolerate Swedes and Norwegians as long as they stay adequately far away. I am entertained by Brits. I feel suspicious about all others.

But here's the thing: I understand how all their civilizations work. I have some idea about what will set them off. I know they will not behave like rabid dogs, but rather pursue their self-interest in a predictable way. And THAT is my inter-European kinship. But I will fucking kill every motherfucker who tells me I have to live in the same nation with them.

Anonymous BGKB September 25, 2016 7:19 PM  

Vox , I avoided signing up for brainstorms before because I figured I would be viewed as an entryist. Would it be ok for me to sign up or would you prefer I don't?

blacks and hispanics see jews as white.

Blacks see Asians as white also.

Anonymous Ironsides September 25, 2016 7:19 PM  

Wyrd wrote:The Daily Stormer is beyond tedious. Aside from a few humorous pics here and there, I found the site far too monomaniacal. Heil Hitler? Fuck off.

Mustn't read the site much, then. There are tons of reports on various horrific dindu-on-white crimes that would otherwise remain totally local; reports on the BLM trying to tear down Andrew Jackson's statue; reprints of interesting alt-right blog posts from more obscure blogs; etc. etc.

I don't count myself as a Nazi, personally -- too foreign to my "backwoods white rifleman" outlook. But the Stormer has its uses, also.

Sure, it's got its sprinkling of Hitler articles and plenty of Nazi memes in the comments section. But to say that it's just a monomaniacal Hitler-fest is inaccurate, IMO. It is, for one thing, an excellent source for otherwise "swept under the carpet" dindu crimes/atrocities, to afflict those whom you know who hold "they be just like we be" with.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 7:20 PM  

Vox , I avoided signing up for brainstorms before because I figured I would be viewed as an entryist. Would it be ok for me to sign up or would you prefer I don't?

Why would you be viewed as an entryist? No, that's fine. As long as you can keep things to yourself when needed, that's all that matters.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 7:22 PM  

I will fucking kill every motherfucker who tells me I have to live in the same nation with them.

This is why we don't let Markku do the marketing.

Anonymous Ironsides September 25, 2016 7:22 PM  

Side note: I always thought "White Nationalist" meant "white people deserve to have nations, too."

It's kind of news to me that it means "all whites in one big nation."

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 7:23 PM  

Well, there are also a few things that Big Gay Steve should preferably keep to himself DURING Brainstorms too...

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 7:25 PM  

VD wrote:This is why we don't let Markku do the marketing.

The military oath includes protecting the Finnish constitution from internal enemies. It's just a statement of fact. One day this all will come to shots, and there is no enemy currently existing apart from the EU that is as obvious an enemy of the constitution.

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 7:26 PM  

Also, one shouldn't let me do one's marketing.

Blogger Phillip George September 25, 2016 7:29 PM  

Jesus said somewhat cryptically "Whoever is not against us is for us"
He didn't forbid people using His name,[ His brand] even when, they were not entirely correct [read Alt Right].

Somethings are identifiably antichrist with the destructive force of tsunamis Eg. Muhammad, Rabbinical Judaism, Philosophical Materialism, Sacred Holy Cow Secularism, Man equals Woman in every way..

others are not so obvious. The IRS?, Free Trade, Home land security, NATO ?

Jesus is Right, Alt Right, All Right and going to Judge/ unscramble the omelette/ smash the holy cows.

Suggest the Alt Right be the Alt Church. It is EXACTLY where your laws, culture, history, economics, sociology comes from. Not bigotry, just facts.

Anonymous karsten September 25, 2016 7:31 PM  

"I suspect the Alt-White has a hard time accepting the observable limits to their subset because they are mostly Americans, and are therefore blind to the fact that the vast majority of white European nationalists are not, and will never be, generic white nationalists."

This is by far my biggest (perhaps my only) departure from what has been described as the Alt-White.

And frankly, from what I have seen, (based, for example, on the outright hostility to, and ridicule of, Richard Spencer's pan-white Europeanism, among the majority of Alt-Whites, in favor of European ethno-nationalism,) I'd say that the vast majority of the Alt-White is against generic white nationalism for Europe, and apply it strictly to America.

Richard Spencer's pan-Euro-white notions constitute an unpopular minority view among Alt Whites. E.g., a recent Daily Stormer piece (Daily Stormer, mind you, so bona fide Alt Right) ridiculed the idea that an influx of Poles into England was good for England, as the pan-Euro-white view would have it.

Blogger praetorian September 25, 2016 7:31 PM  

It's kind of news to me that it means "all whites in one big nation."

That's the crux of my disagreement w/ Spencer's vision. Greg Johnson doesn't appear to share that vision, he has suggested distributist principles in an approving manner before. (He'll end up a catholic, I just know it.)

Might be another subject worth discussing with Greg.

Blogger Phillip George September 25, 2016 7:33 PM  

Every bullet aimed at Multi Cultic is friendly fire.

Blogger Nick S September 25, 2016 7:33 PM  

I identify as a Christian first. I'm not sure which alt-right faction embraces the Christian value system as foundational. For me, it can't be a secondary consideration. That is one of the primary reasons I find the two mainstream political parties repulsive for the most part. They refuse to acknowledge their source. On the other hand, I also don't want to be part of an alt-right faction that simply leverages Christendom as a perverted justification for some kind of delusional pursuit of obligatorily deserved status.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 25, 2016 7:33 PM  

I think I begin to see why Vox gets ticked off by K'nick. It is not the subject matter at hand, though.

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 7:38 PM  

Personally, I feel much more kinship with the Japanese, than Swedes.

Anonymous Your Bartender September 25, 2016 7:40 PM  

@14
I feel suspicious about all others.

Gee, does that include White Russians?

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 7:41 PM  

No, Russians go way, way, way beyond suspicion. I was talking about European peoples only.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 25, 2016 7:43 PM  

I do Nazi why they would invade a much larger territory that's impossible to conquer at the worst strategic time.

Anonymous Your Bartender September 25, 2016 7:44 PM  

@31
Doesn't Europe extend alllll the way to the Urals?

Anyway, if you don't like White Russians how about Black Russians?

Blogger cheddarman September 25, 2016 7:46 PM  

@ 27 Nick S

You should read Vox's recent post on the "Alt West" where Christianity is recognized as one of the necessary components of a revived Western Civilization

Anonymous SanityClause September 25, 2016 7:47 PM  

There is another and rather likely possibility behind this idea of the alt-white taking over the alt-right, and that is that they are provocation agents (or some of them are, others can be useful idiots). The idea is to take over with the goal of destroying and discrediting the alt-right. They use the tactic Ally, Neutralize, Destroy.

Ally: We are part of the alt-right, we are your brothers, we should have a say in every part of your organization, and in fact, it would be best to appoint us leaders, we can help you win.
Neutralize: We are the most important part of the alt-right, in fact, we are the primary part of the alt-right. Why, when we think about it, we are the only part of the alt-right worth mentioning, and we will send out spokesmen to tell everyone so.
Destroy: The alt-right is all racists! No one should listen to them, you are not virtuous if you do, you gain virtue of you denounce them, you don't want to be a racissss, do you?

Note that the above can be true in the same way that cuckservatives think they are conservatives, the above goals can be met even if the alt-white agitators do not know consciously that they are doing it, the effect will be the same. If the alt-white gains power over the alt-right, the very deliberate provocation agents will come in and egg them on into genuine racism (or the appearance of same), followed by the pointing and shrieking, etc.

The whole idea of the alt-right is that no one should be taking over anyone. If they try, react to them as you would to SJW's trying to take over.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 7:48 PM  

Richard Spencer's pan-Euro-white notions constitute an unpopular minority view among Alt Whites. E.g., a recent Daily Stormer piece (Daily Stormer, mind you, so bona fide Alt Right) ridiculed the idea that an influx of Poles into England was good for England, as the pan-Euro-white view would have it.

Exactly. Americans, even pro-European Americans, are more clueless about Europe than Europeans are about America. And Europeans are totally clueless about it.

Anonymous Ironsides September 25, 2016 7:49 PM  

One of my favorite offline arguments is "if you brought a million Germans into France, it would cause horrible social and cultural disruption. If you brought 50 million Germans into France, it would destroy the French nation. There would no longer be France -- it would be Germany West. Why, then, do you think it's different when you flood white nations with people utterly alien in culture and race?"

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 7:51 PM  

@31

Doesn't Europe extend alllll the way to the Urals?


I'm aware that starting from the late nineties, there was a strong political effort to redefine Europe as including Russia. All the common folk always laughed at it. We understood the strategy but there is no way that someone would say in honest conversation "Europe" and mean Russia too. It was just political bullshit. Europe is ripe with political bullshit.

Anyway, if you don't like White Russians how about Black Russians?

"Black Russians" are just blacks. No different from any other blacks. To call them Black Russians is just more political bullshit. Russians means White Russians.

And it's not so much not liking Russians as fearing Russia as an entity.

Blogger SultanOfSuede September 25, 2016 7:55 PM  

Alas, Greg and the rest of the alt-right agrees that removing Jews from our midst is a key goal for our civilization and people.

You can dress this however you want Vox and push the big tent theory, but at the end of the day, the West will address the JQ question definitively. Three thousand years is enough. The Chinese and the Indians can have them.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 7:57 PM  

I will never have anything to do with Nazis or whatever they want to call themselves. Fuck those people.

Blogger tz September 25, 2016 7:59 PM  

My problem with the Alt-White predates the coining of alt-Right.

The strongest strain is the descendents of the confederacy (there was a conference in Arkansas over the weekend). Southern pride. The stars and bars.

So while I'm in full agreement with the Constitution, that the Confederacy had the right to secede, Lincoln was a monster, etc. my ancestors were in eastern Europe at the time minding their own business.

Are Yankees alt-White?

This is a bit like Hitler who said England (Anglo-Saxons) were brothers, but ended up attacking instead of constantly suing for peace. And he rejected the Slavic nations and turned to attack Russia.

I'm not entirely sure but it seems a lot of the alt-White is a celebration of the Confederacy. Note they lost when the #1 point of the alt-Right is WINNING. I don't know if it is a revenge fantasy or something else, but although I totally respect southern culture, I can't rewrite my family history or turn a demand for heritage into a proposition or something else I can enter into.

Much is "identity politics", but for many of the alt-White it has become a very narrow, specific sub-racial identity which doesn't include me.

Anonymous Wyrd the Adorable Deplorable September 25, 2016 8:00 PM  

Mustn't read the site much, then

Jew!

Nigger!

Big-nosed Jew!

Nigger!

Big-lipped Nigger!

Big-nosed Jew!

Big-lipped Nigger!

Something like that?

Blogger S1AL September 25, 2016 8:01 PM  

"I do Nazi why they would invade a much larger territory that's impossible to conquer at the worst strategic time."

Well-played.

"Enough Irish, Italians, Germans and Nordics have intermarried in parts of the US to create a more or less generic "white" person, who is supposed to be ritually ashamed of the color of their skin because it reflects their terrible character."

Don't forget Dutch, Cajun, or Portuguese. What's interesting is looking at the composite photos of the world. White Americans are incredibly distinct even from Germans or British.

"No, Russians go way, way, way beyond suspicion. I was talking about European peoples only."

Man, have you ever *talked* to Greeks?

"Nazi Shitlords™ know the importance of branding, terminology, and propaganda."

This one wins the award for self-contradicting statement of the year.

Blogger tz September 25, 2016 8:02 PM  

Alas, Greg and the rest of the alt-right agrees that removing Jews from our midst is a key goal for our civilization and people.

When 70% voted for Obama, and they will vote for Hillary, joined with another 20% from the Kristol neocon wing, and try to keep Trump from MAGA, they need to go home to the country they are loyal to: Israel. Or stop being traitors.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 8:06 PM  

I will never have anything to do with Nazis or whatever they want to call themselves. Fuck those people.

Even if they are necessary to the preservation of the West? Or to the preservation of your race? Just how far does your hatred go?

Blogger tz September 25, 2016 8:08 PM  

imo most ordinary jews see themselves as White.

I have to agree with Vox here - Jews intentionally have remained insular. They have a weak preference for europeans (when some law they have promoted tries to force THEM to integrate). I will have to check back what happens in the Detroit area when the heavily Jewish areas are integrated by HUD and section 8 and the muslim refugees and Mosques. Ex-burbs or ex-exburbs, or buy a large tract in the thumb and have all the jews move there?

Blogger Nate September 25, 2016 8:09 PM  

The Alt-White is like Vanderbilt Football. They never fail to snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory.

Anonymous McOxford September 25, 2016 8:11 PM  

I doubt he would, his anti Christianity is quite robust.

Blogger GFR September 25, 2016 8:11 PM  

thats true, and i dont have a problem with east asians being honorary Whites.

Anonymous Wyrd September 25, 2016 8:13 PM  

Even if they are necessary to the preservation of the West? Or to the preservation of your race?

Admittedly, Nazi uniforms, particularly the SS ones, are snazzy.

Blogger S1AL September 25, 2016 8:15 PM  

As far as Asians and Jews are concerned, the other minorities think of them as off-white.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 8:16 PM  

Vox,

Why are they necessary to the preservation of the west or my race? I have not seen the case made for their necessity.

Anyone in my family who didn't come to the US was killed by them, so even though I am of the firm opinion that all Jews should be living in Israel and not here, I'm not signing on to the Storm front/Nazi cause.

Anonymous Avalanche September 25, 2016 8:20 PM  

@11 "imo most ordinary jews see themselves as White.

VD: No, they don't. They clearly see themselves as a tribe apart. They express zero kinship with Finns, Germans, or even Italians, to whom they are actually related."

They DESCRIBE themselves as White only when it suits their purpose and the purpose of their tribe. Amongst themselves? Not White at all!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 8:21 PM  

If Ashkenazi Jews aren't white, what are they?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 25, 2016 8:22 PM  

The idea of pan European White Nationalism is stupid on its face.

Europeans have distinctive sub-races and cultures in ways that Americans do not and they will defend those, the idea of being Finnish or Norwegian or whatever not the idea of being White on its own,

What the WN's see as a White consciousness is more a loathing for Muslims and other groups and a general moderation of modern nationalism. Modern nationalist movements are generally friendly with each other so long as borders are respected. This is a positive change but it doesn't mean anything more than "we have bigger problems than each other" nothing more

Americans OTOH are our own culture culture and ethnically mixed (Whites only here, ignoring non White admixture) in some odd ways. Lots of Americans are like 5 separate White groups and could be Scots-Irish mixed with say Latvian which you'd rarely see even these days in Europe

They are White yes but not of any of those cultures only Americans

As the saying goes American has a little history and a lot of land and Europe is the exact opposite

And GFR East Asians are not Honorary Whites any more than Jews are. The Jews share genetic stock with Whites but they have chosen separation. That's fine but when they choose subversion and conflict, than there is a problem.

Blogger SultanOfSuede September 25, 2016 8:22 PM  

For readers who want a brief but intelligent intro to the JQ from a white nationalist perspective, I encourage looking up the video entitled "What is the 'Jewish Question'? Greg Johnson explains (alt right, JQ)."

Greg lays out the basic orthodox position. There is no 1488 wing in the big tent. 1488 is the tent.

Compare and contrast Greg's remarks on the Jewish strategy with the promotion of Milo and Cernovich in certain outlets.

One of these things is not like the other.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 8:25 PM  

Why are they necessary to the preservation of the west or my race? I have not seen the case made for their necessity.

Then you're not paying attention. They are the only whites who grasp identity politics yet in an age of global identity politics.

Anyone in my family who didn't come to the US was killed by them, so even though I am of the firm opinion that all Jews should be living in Israel and not here, I'm not signing on to the Storm front/Nazi cause.

Boo-fucking-hoo. You're going to try to cry Holocaust to an AMERICAN INDIAN? Seriously?

If I'm not foolish enough to hold the near-total destruction of my tribe against Americans, then how can you possibly justify holding the actions of Germans seven decades ago against white Americans, most of whom aren't even German?

No one is asking you to sign on to the Stormfront cause. I am telling you that if you do not grasp that they are an ally in the preservation of Western Civilization, you're going to end up on the anti-Western side. The ironic thing is that you're making almost exactly the same mistake they're making.

The reason you ally with people is not because you like them or approve of them, but because their objectives are in line with your own. They want to preserve the white race. Do you?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey September 25, 2016 8:26 PM  

Suvorov's "Icebreaker" gives an interesting hypothesis...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey September 25, 2016 8:27 PM  

Suvorov's "Icebreaker" gives an interesting hypothesis...

Blogger SultanOfSuede September 25, 2016 8:28 PM  

For readers who want a brief but intelligent intro to the JQ from a white nationalist perspective, I encourage looking up the video entitled "What is the 'Jewish Question'? Greg Johnson explains (alt right, JQ)."

Greg lays out the basic orthodox position. There is no 1488 wing in the big tent. 1488 is the tent.

Compare and contrast Greg's remarks on the Jewish strategy with the promotion of Milo and Cernovich in certain outlets.

One of these things is not like the other.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 8:28 PM  

If Ashkenazi Jews aren't white, what are they?

Half-Southern European, Half-Semite. They are their own tribe. They are not part of Christendom or the West, by their own reckoning.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 8:30 PM  

If they're the designated extremists, fine. They can do their thing. I'll do mine.

If they are necessary for the future of the white race, ok.

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 8:31 PM  

If they're the designated extremists, fine. They can do their thing. I'll do mine.

That's the idea. Cherish the extremists, because their thing tends to be direct assaults on the enemy that no one else will dare.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 8:34 PM  

I've used extremists in this capacity in other battles I've been involved in. This situation just requires me to grit my teeth a little.

Anonymous Wyrd September 25, 2016 8:34 PM  

Half-Southern European, Half-Semite

Frankly, I'm more worried about my paternal grandfather's Dago heritage than his Semitic one.

Anonymous Avalanche September 25, 2016 8:35 PM  

@52 "I'm not signing on to the Storm front/Nazi cause."

Has anyone asked you to?

(Your aim is off -- start firing toward the left!)

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 8:36 PM  

Nazis are leftists, Avalanche
That part of my hesitation in the first place.

Blogger ZhukovG September 25, 2016 8:37 PM  

Markku, The concept that Europe goes to the Urals is a bit older than the 90's.

"Yes, it is Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, it is Europe, it is the whole of Europe, that will decide the fate of the world."

Charles de Gaulle, 1959

However, Russians themselves, while White, do not identify with the West or Europe.

Anonymous BGKB September 25, 2016 8:38 PM  

"Why would you be viewed as an entryist? No, that's fine."

It's not like there have been many gay race realists that exist outside of Pym Fortuyn and those that lived thru the crack addict Rodney King riots.

I will never have anything to do with Nazis or whatever they want to call themselves. Fuck those people.

My view https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/0/0d/Nazis_and_gays_hate_feminists.png

Blogger Robert Divinity September 25, 2016 8:40 PM  

The fourth point of the 16 you listed as Alt-Right pillars:

"The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy."

So "(o)f course, he is only part-white and does not explicitly push a pro-white or pro-Western agenda (though he comes close)" only is half-right as I understand it.

Blogger S1AL September 25, 2016 8:41 PM  

"Nazis are leftists, Avalanche
That part of my hesitation in the first place."

If they understood politics, they wouldn't be Nazis. In America.

Frankly, I don't give a damn about extremists in Germany. They aren't my issue. But extremists advocating for a German pagan nationalist system in America?

The most charitable description is "uncomprehending".

Blogger Harsh September 25, 2016 8:42 PM  

As it seems that Thordaddy is fairly typical of the Alt-Whiter intellect, I think it's safe to say that we can out-think, isolate, and contain these fools without too much trouble. We might even be able to put them to good use one day.

Blogger Markku September 25, 2016 8:43 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:Markku, The concept that Europe goes to the Urals is a bit older than the 90's.

Geographically yes, but up and until that point, when people said Europe, it was understood to mean a certain set of nations that didn't include Russia. And I remember that this started to change too fast to have been a coincidence. It was clearly indicative of a strategy.

Anonymous greenhorse September 25, 2016 8:44 PM  

This is the same magical thinking that is used to justify calling crippled people "handicapable" and negroes "blacks", then "Afro-Americans", then "African-Americans". It is the belief that an object or a concept is intrinsically altered by the label.

Progs change labels because they want to change the way people perceive things. Because they believe cripples and blacks need to feel self-esteem, and that blacks need to be protected from "stereotype-threat", or whatever other social excuse they've invented to try to get around the reality of HBD.

There's nothing magical in Fash McQueen's comment, either.

He thinks the brand "Alt-Right" is primarily associated with WN. I think he's wrong - but in his mind the term Alt-Right is synonymous to everyone with White Nationalism. He thinks, I guess because of the lizard queen's remarks, that this brand now has national recognition, and WNs should use it to win converts. He's afraid that if other non-WNs use the term "Alt-Right", that it will take the WN that he wants to advance out of the spotlight.

He said himself it's about "strategic branding", using associations of words to influence people's minds. He even compares it to "Coca-Cola".

The Hildebeast made "the Alt-Right" famous, he wants people to associate the term with the White Nationalism he means to promote, so that when they go looking for the alt-right, they find White Nationalism. That's how I took his comment. I don't see how you could take it any other way.

I really don't see how he's implying that calling something by a label changes its nature. How did you come to that conclusion?

Blogger VD September 25, 2016 8:45 PM  

Nazis are leftists, Avalanche That part of my hesitation in the first place.

Ideology is not identity. You're still trapped in ideological thinking.

The most charitable description is "uncomprehending".

Identity is not ideology.

I don't support the ideological Left either. But I understand that without sufficient whites in America, the Left wins by default. And who do you think is most likely to lead the charge to restore historical demographics?

This isn't that hard once you stop thinking with your emotional responses.

Blogger Nate September 25, 2016 8:50 PM  

"Then you're not paying attention. They are the only whites who grasp identity politics yet in an age of global identity politics."

You're far to generous.

Time and tastes change. You're assigning credit to them as if they are the ones that made this sea change happen.

Correlation and causation and what not.

The flood of immigration... security issues... dindu rioting... those things have pushed people over the edge.

That would've happened without the screeching of the omegas.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 8:50 PM  

Nazis are an ideology. I'm 100% behind Germans throwing everyone out that isn't a white Christian German, I'm just opposed to Nazi ideology.

Blogger Fenris Wulf September 25, 2016 8:52 PM  

America is NOT a "generic white" country. It has a very specific White Anglo-Saxon Protestant cultural identity. Non-WASP Europeans have assimilated to some extent, but it was a slow and painful process.

The Left hates Western identity in general, but WASP identity in particular. They love to point out that Catholics were treated with suspicion just as Muslims are today, and Irish and Italians were considered non-white.

From what I've seen of the Alt-White, they embrace an authoritarian, collectivist, mystical, Pan-Germanic identity. They might be useful as shock troops, but I doubt it. How much political violence have they actually engaged in? Even Black Lives Matter has demonstrated more physical courage. Of course, it's a lot easier when the authorities are on your side and you're allowed to run amok with impunity.

Blogger ZhukovG September 25, 2016 8:52 PM  

As long as the Nazis are fighting the Globalists I'll consider them allies.

However I think they're daft if they think that even American Whites are one homogeneous group.

Southerners and Texans are pretty distinct and I'm sure there are more.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 8:53 PM  

If Nazis are effectively fighting globalists I'll support them as allies.

Blogger Le Regardeur September 25, 2016 8:54 PM  

I just want to put out there this article that has just appeared on The Atlantic's website:

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/why-japanese-kids-can-walk-to-school-alone/408475/

Quote: "She wouldn’t let a 9-year-old ride the subway alone in London or New York—just in Tokyo."

Mass immigration breaks societal bonds and children lose their freedom. There has been a lot of discussion as to why children in 2016 aren't given the freedom that children in 1986 were. Why parents have become more protective. Constrasting with Japan, where the change that has happened in Europe and North America never did, suggests another negative of mass immigration.

Blogger Fenris Wulf September 25, 2016 8:57 PM  

Correction: I forgot about the recent violence in Sacramento between neo-Nazis and anti-fascists. This is an encouraging sign. It's the first time I've seen the Right using the Left's own tactics against them.

Blogger ZhukovG September 25, 2016 8:57 PM  

@76 Nationalism = Good; Globalism = Evil.

The National Socialist is my ally. The Globalist Christian is my enemy.

Blogger S1AL September 25, 2016 8:58 PM  

"And who do you think is most likely to lead the charge to restore historical demographics?"

That's apparently an idea where we differ. I don't think that Hitlerites are likely to do anything useful.

Anonymous johnc September 25, 2016 8:58 PM  

The attack of the modern era is not on the white person per se. It's on Western civilization precisely because of its historical attachment to Christendom. The attack is led by Satan and his goons and the end goals are obvious for anyone with an IQ above the temperature outside.

Jewish people have white skin but are generally not the victims of this onslaught (at least not at the highest levels) since they have no attachment to Christendom.

Some people in "Alt White" are not seeing the big picture but the worse the situation gets the more clearly they will see reality.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 25, 2016 9:04 PM  

"White Nationalism" isn't even the right kind of nationalism, since it's basically a nonsense phrase.

Anonymous Roundtine September 25, 2016 9:09 PM  

Alt- assumes an alternative to something. If WNs succeed in branding the term Alt-Right, they will remain the fringe and the rest of the Alt-Right they reject will become The Right.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 25, 2016 9:12 PM  

They can be the Alt-Alt-Right. That way they can be the extremists still.

Blogger GFR September 25, 2016 9:13 PM  

There is a Greg Bear book "Anvil of Stars" where an alien race creates self-replicating machines that destroy intelligent life wherever they find it, including earth.
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The survivors of earth trace the aliens back to their home planet and prepare to destroy it, before they discover that there is another innocent race living on the evil aliens homework. The humans destroy the planet anyway.
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In my opinion the rich Jews like Soros are the evil aliens, while the ordinary Jews are the innocent alien race who are hostages. We may have to murder the ordinary Jews to free ourselves of the rich Jews - but maybe we can co-opt them instead.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 25, 2016 9:15 PM  

Fascism is a logical, inevitable response to leftist insanity. The left have only themselves to blame for its resurgence.

As for national socialism, that's a step beyond fascism. Nationalism is not fascism. Fascism is not national socialism. Franco was never Hitler. Franco did not concern himself with anything other than Spanish nationalism. So the alt-white is a binary outcome to leftist totalitarian movements including egalitarianism, socialism, communism, globalism. As things stand now, they are necessary for the preservation of the West. No enemies to the right.

Blogger Fenris Wulf September 25, 2016 9:16 PM  

Jews have a pathological culture because of their long history as a people without a country. They developed a strategy of hijacking and subverting other people's countries. Leftist Jews hate Israel as much as any anti-Semite, and would gladly see it wiped off the map, because it's a threat to their identity. We created the modern state of Israel to protect us from them, as much as to protect them from us.

The Alt-White is too dogmatic to understand this. They think Jews are innately depraved because of genetics.

Enjoying a (((bagel))) as I type this.

Anonymous Dale Warner September 25, 2016 9:17 PM  

Once again, focusing on boundaries is a problem. Let's focus on leadership qualities and skill sets we want to see leading. We will undoubtedly have the same kind of organizational diversity that Jewish Americans have, with one group focusing on formulating family formation issues, another group focusing on defamation, and another group focusing on legal defense issues. There will not be just one group, but many. It is leadership that matters, not boundaries at this time.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 9:26 PM  

@GFR

Normie Jews are very rare, they're called Karaites.

Blogger GFR September 25, 2016 9:26 PM  

Also the Jewish outmarriage rate in the US is 71%

Anonymous Eric the Red September 25, 2016 9:29 PM  

"They think Jews are innately depraved because of genetics." Fenris Wulf

And there are many days I'm not sure that doesn't have a core of truth. Go back to the Exodus... what had once been a people welcomed by the Egyptians, became a threat to the point where they were enslaved as per the cultural norms of that age. So why did Egyptians start considering them a threat? Because they were taking over Egyptian society and changing it in ways that were antithetical to traditional Egyptian culture.

The Jews have presented history to make them seem the aggrieved party, but I think there's a deeper layer to that story.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs September 25, 2016 9:31 PM  

@27: I too identify primarily as a Christian. I'm coming to the conclusion that everything else is, at best, secondary. I do not trust politicians to hold to a defined set of views, principles, etc., and, by extension, I do not believe I can trust a movement to remain true to views, principles, etc. I can trust Christ and the Bible to be unchanging.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 9:36 PM  

@GFR

Sounds like a lot of boil-off akin to Bobby Fischers.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 9:40 PM  

It's no different from the Han flooding Tibet. Leftists and Cucks HATE that thrown in their faces.

Blogger SultanOfSuede September 25, 2016 9:44 PM  

For those who want to understand the problem with entryism, Milo, Cernovich, alt-light/alt-west, et. al., I'd recommend giving this week's Fash the Nation episode a listen.

The discussion is spot-on.

Those who are unfamiliar with Jewish strategies centered on promoting cults of personality to destroy white civilization will understand Milo's stance as a classic kosher ploy. n00bs to WN will find a more detailed discussion of this and other topics in Kevin MacDonald's works.

I think the episode adequately explains the errors of alt-light/alt-west/big tent theories.

"Fash the Nation Week 58: Alt-Right vs. Alt-Wrong"

Blogger GFR September 25, 2016 9:45 PM  

Please explain

Blogger EmpReb September 25, 2016 9:47 PM  

I am damn sure They will fix it far faster than we ever did. Just saying the way Japan behaves as any indicator they will have lovely time making a final solution.

Blogger GFR September 25, 2016 9:50 PM  

I heard that the EU wanted Finland to take in 10,000 Syrian refugees..

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 25, 2016 9:53 PM  

"Finnish are not Irish. That might come as a shock to parochial people."

Ethnographic fail. That might come as a shock to stooopid people.

If you want the real breakdown, hey, just ask.

Blogger SciVo September 25, 2016 9:56 PM  

It is true thar Americans can be naive about Europe. I remember the first time I was told that I wouldn't be accepted in Finland, as a culturally American quarter-Finn. (It was actually here.)

Although it was a loss, it was also a gain. That was when I realized that I'm simply American, and I have to make sure that I don't lose this country, since I don't belong anywhere else. And an obvious first step is to kick out everyone who does have somewhere else that he belongs, because then he has zero need to be here.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has just recently figured this out, in the last year or two.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 9:58 PM  

@ GFR

Think of the Amish and their rumspringa, they fully expect up to 20% of their children every generation to leave the community and become "English"

Until quite recently (last 200 years in Europe, last 500 years in the Americas) Jews were simply not capable of Assimilation without conversion. Secularisation has eased that transition, allowing the more mellow or disgusted Jews to leave and marry goyim. And the trend has been the Jewish parent encouraging their Mischling kids to KEEP marrying goyim in the main instead of back-crossing with the Tribe.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 25, 2016 10:04 PM  

If Ashkenazi Jews aren't white, what are they?

If Ashkenazi Jews are White, then they can't be Askenazi Jews. If Ashkenazi Jews are Ashkenazi Jews, then they can't be White.

That's the thing about identity politics, you have to pick one team and play for it. No dual citizenship.

Blogger rondolf September 25, 2016 10:04 PM  

GFR wrote:Please explain

Greg Johnson essentially is drawing a line in the sand when it comes to Milo. Probably wouldn't hurt for Vox to listen to this before the brainstorm. Or not.

Blogger clk September 25, 2016 10:09 PM  

""White Nationalism" isn't even the right kind of nationalism, since it's basically a nonsense phrase."

Exactly --- there are no nationalist Americans -- the only real Americans were the Indians and they are pretty much gone (the last one moved to Italy). So we can't make the same nationals claim based on clans like the Finns, or the Italians etc ; groups that have lived some place for many many generations (in the end its the same as america just with a longer time horizon but that's another discussion - nationality is matter of time I guess). So here in US race gets mixed up with the nationality... so we have whites, blacks, hispanics and asians -- these are races, not nationalities. christian, jewish, muslim -- these religions groups -- and there sets intersect heavily. There can be a white jew and a black muslim and a oriental christian.

I would not sign up for a white nationalist country (alt white)--- I would sign up for a christian nationalist country (alt right) -- "Christian" because it would follow the morals and teachings of Christ and "Nationalist" because it would care mostly about the welfare of its citizens.

Blogger Unknown September 25, 2016 10:09 PM  

In so far as the 'Alt Right' stands as a sledge hammer against SJW's and progressives, as well as being a bulwark against the rising anti Christian forces of modernity than I count myself in its ranks. But if the 'Alt Right' reduces itself to a movement of deranged pagans and melancholic Nazis pining for a Germanic renaissance I see nothing in it for me. The road is open and it approaches a fork - I wonder which way the Alt Right decides to turn, and if there is room in there for a Catholic Italian like myself?

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 25, 2016 10:18 PM  

I am not seeing the appeal of the pan-Europeans. They are still arguing for the destruction of the white nations. They seem to be the equivalent of Eurocrat homogenizers minus the calls for mass migration.

Blogger ZhukovG September 25, 2016 10:21 PM  

@106 Why posture about 'line drawing'. Milo is not part of the Alt-Right, and he has never claimed to be. He's a friendly journalist who puts an easy to swallow spin on Alt-Right.

What he does is lead people to question 'the narrative', drawing them toward the Alt-Lite. For most folks that's as far as they'll go for now and throwing swastikas in their faces is just stupid.

One of the most important qualities to posses if you are fighting 4th generation warfare, is patience.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing September 25, 2016 10:23 PM  

VD,

There are some hints of the same kind of hostility to a pan-white ethnostate that y'all've seen, even in the United States, specifically in the South. When things get rough, even if the rest of America forms a pan-white identity, I think the whites of the South still want out. That's why I like your larger Alt-West tent. I don't want to be in a Union with the Northerners and West Coast people anymore. Being a Southerner, secession has been not-so-lightly thrown around recently in the casual sphere, especially in the millennial age-group down here (surprisingly). I think it would have some significant support at this time.

There's some quite strong and historic fractures in the United States as well that I think the WNs need to strongly consider as an impediment to their goals. The Union was white/American in the 1860s, yet it still had the Southern secession movement. There is historic precedence that the United States isn't completely open to a pan-white ethnostate either, with it fracturing into separate groups instead. I think this idea agrees with what you've said on multi-ethnic empires splitting into ethnostates: the whites in America have a non-negligible likelihood of not becoming one, monolithic group if (when) it splits. I certainly would rather support a Southern state.

Blogger chris September 25, 2016 10:26 PM  

I have been thinking lately. What is the best way for the alt-right to solidify their power within American culture and Western Culture? I think the best way to do it is to replace all mandatory humanities/diversity classes in colleges with mandatory classes in evolutionary psychology/human evo-biology. This would effectively doctrinate the chattering classes into (the precursor) to our ideology and result in normalising our positions as the obviously correct positions. Then we can easily BTFO the left on all cultural issues. Also end funding for the humanities and social sciences on colleges.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 25, 2016 10:27 PM  

The primary thing is to get Trump elected... alt-differences are tertiary considerations.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 25, 2016 10:30 PM  

@112 Japan has shown the way. It recently cut off funding to the humanities. Dovetails nicely with Trump's recent demand for universities to cut costs.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 25, 2016 10:32 PM  

http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20160122155338974

Blogger praetorian September 25, 2016 10:35 PM  

The National Socialist is my ally. The Globalist Christian is my enemy.

Underrated post.

A nazi frog meme has done more to liberate the west from ( ( (Cultural Marxism) ) ) than all the conservative think tanks of the last 50 years.

Some of my best memes are nazis.

Blogger praetorian September 25, 2016 10:38 PM  

tfw when your comment gets word wrap cucked

Blogger praetorian September 25, 2016 10:41 PM  

They think Jews are innately depraved because of genetics.

I'm a mischling and I find a genetic inclination to depravity entirely plausible.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 10:52 PM  

@ Wyrd

Or this deplorable...

http://www.dailystormer.com/youre-a-feminist/

Blogger VFM #7634 September 25, 2016 10:55 PM  

I think I can safely describe myself as "big-tent alt-White" based upon VD's post here.

When things get rough, even if the rest of America forms a pan-white identity, I think the whites of the South still want out. That's why I like your larger Alt-West tent. I don't want to be in a Union with the Northerners and West Coast people anymore.

@111 Cedric Riding
I've never had a problem with Canadians being a separate nationality, and I have no problem with white Southerners doing so either. The USA is too da*n big. Having a single government attempt to rule 320 million people (let alone what the Eurocrats are trying to do) is completely unfeasible.

My attitude is that we need to fight against the SJW coalition, then once victory is achieved, we should partition the USA like the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, or Czechoslovakia... peacefully, if possible.

Blogger cheddarman September 25, 2016 11:00 PM  

I dont understand how the Alt-right can create a white racial identity without a unique mythos.

All the nations of Europe have their mythos, formed by their history, DNA, religion, etc.

The Alt-whites will fail if they try to appropriate myths from other cultures, such as Nazi Germany or pagan Northern Europe.

The only people in this country with a unifying identity or myth are the Southerners/Soputhrons. The unique identity of the South before the American Civil War, the war itself, and the treatment of the Southern whites after the war forged the mythos of being a white southerner.

Northern whites have no such unifying identity and experience.

Blogger cheddarman September 25, 2016 11:01 PM  

I meant to say "alt-white" instead of "alt-right"

Blogger HonorLiving September 25, 2016 11:03 PM  

@107

You're conflating nationalism with geography whereas it's a matter of people. Then you use a second definition of nationalism in terms of ideology, a religious one.

Blogger Unknown September 25, 2016 11:10 PM  

The ties that bind or the toes that divide? Can anyone tell me why I should prefer genetic proximity to spiritual convergences in my choice of neighbor? Honest question...

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 25, 2016 11:15 PM  

"Northern whites have no such unifying identity and experience."
You got that right, good sir. Just look at Minnesotastan, It is as rootless as it gets. The Twin cities is Mogadishu on the Mississip.

Blogger SciVo September 25, 2016 11:15 PM  

Unknown, what world will your children live in? What if your convert neighbor's children revert to type, and decide to behead yours?

Anonymous Eric the Red September 25, 2016 11:18 PM  

@124...
Is there anyone who can tell me why I should prefer optimal, workable reality to feel-good fantasies?

Anonymous Eric the Red September 25, 2016 11:25 PM  

@124...
Is there anyone who can tell me why I should prefer optimal, workable reality to feel-good fantasies?

Anonymous Casey September 25, 2016 11:27 PM  

This isn't the time to inject catagorization into the Alt-Right movement. Both the Tea Party and the Liberty movement were destroyed by entryism. There's absolutely no doubt that entryism will be employed against the Alt-Right at some point soon.

Like it or not, breaking a group into individual categories is a key element of entryism and anybody attempting to do so will be suspected of such. (divide and conquer?)

Say what you want. But regardless of your motive, division of the Alt-Right isn't going to me met well. Too much has been lost to that already and the people of the Alt-Right are especially sensitive about any attempts to do so again.

Cultural Libertarians such as Milo dragging out like Ru Paul while making statements which attempts to define the Alt-Right doesn't help matters any.

Some clarity is called for at this point and I'm glad that people are making the effort to present it.

White identity,...no division,..no compromise.

That's the Alt-Right.

Blogger chris September 25, 2016 11:27 PM  

@121

"I dont understand how the Alt-right can create a white racial identity without a unique mythos."

America as a subset of the Anglo-Celtic/British race/civilization.

UK, US, Aus, Can, NZ, all subsets of the one race/civilization.

Blogger Unknown September 25, 2016 11:28 PM  

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Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 11:29 PM  

Same here. It explains so much of my family history.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 25, 2016 11:29 PM  

Cheddarman,
The damn yankees are doing their damn best to destroy Southron identity . They have already infested states such as Texas, Virginia and North Carolina with their damned to hell yankee brain rot. Round two is a comin', and it will be a knockout blow.

Blogger Unknown September 25, 2016 11:33 PM  

SciVo wrote:
Unknown, what world will your children live in? What if your convert neighbor's children revert to type, and decide to behead yours?


I see Christianity as a force of moral alignment and I find it hard to accept the idea that genetic traits are stronger than religious ones. You all may call me a Churchian but I believe in a brotherhood within the Christian faith.
Now let me clarify... I accept the value of all races, and think they should all be preserved, and honored within national boundaries...
I don't know I guess I am conflicted but in one thing I am obdurate and that is the primacy of the Christian faith. I see brotherhood in Christ as having precedence in all things, in particular in building and maintaining a functional society.
Thanks for your response.

We live in confusing times.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 11:34 PM  

@ Unknown

Indeed we do live in confusing times. God Himself in the form of Christ Jesus was terrified of what Lucifer had wrought when He was in the wilderness subjected to the full force of Satan's temptation. God is after all, omnipresent, not omniscient.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 25, 2016 11:36 PM  

.
"You all may call me a Churchian but I believe in the true brotherhood in Christian faith."
You are are a cuck.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 25, 2016 11:44 PM  

134. Takin' a Deplorable Look
I think you best go back and read the scripture you profess knowledge of, bud.
It's one thing thing to be ignorant and can't help it, but it's a whole different thing to be ignorant and be proud of it, dumbass.

Blogger Unknown September 25, 2016 11:44 PM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:"You all may call me a Churchian but I believe in the true brotherhood in Christian faith."

You are are a cuck.


And you are an idiot.

Are we going to exchange ideas or simply throw nouns at each other?

Anonymous johnc September 25, 2016 11:48 PM  

God is after all, omnipresent, not omniscient.

Well he's both, obviously. But that's somewhat off-topic.

The issue with atheists and pagans and hedonists and the like is that they are part of the group that is pouring the poison into the drinking water that is ultimately killing all of us. When it comes down to it I don't particularly care if they're white or not. I could at least tolerate them if for heaven's sakes they would stop pouring poison into the damn water.

But from what I've seen white people can be just as savage as any other race out there.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 25, 2016 11:50 PM  

Indeed. It's all about feelz with him. Why isn't he talking about all the Christians fighting for their lives in MENA, China, Africa and saying, "we need a New Crusade to defend these folks"

It's because he is a churchian. He will not do the "hard thing", ever. The "hard thing" btw is serpent wisdom, which our Lord Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to study intensely. "I send you as sheep amongst the wolves, be wise as serpents, gentle as doves"

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 25, 2016 11:56 PM  

If you don't think there is a difference in say Black Liberation theology and Mainline Christian theology, all the 'splaining in the world will make you see the diff, churchian cuck boy.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus September 25, 2016 11:58 PM  

VD wrote:Vox , I avoided signing up for brainstorms before because I figured I would be viewed as an entryist. Would it be ok for me to sign up or would you prefer I don't?

Why would you be viewed as an entryist? No, that's fine. As long as you can keep things to yourself when needed, that's all that matters.


Yeah, entryist BGKB. GET IT?

Anonymous Grinder September 25, 2016 11:59 PM  

Reading the comments leads me to believe that the hills of Vox Popoli are thick with Jews in disguise. How can people spout off so much nonsense about what they believe alt-white is unless they are being deliberately stupid or thinking that everyone reading their comment isÉ The counties of Europe have their racially aware nationalists and they are not interested in some white superstate replacing their separate nations. Why don`t you go and look for yourselves and see what euro-nationalists believe. The racially aware are mostly committed to the principle of no more brother wars. Building alliances among them would not be uniting under one flag or gov`t. Does the US and Israel plan to join into a single nation any time soonÉ Obviously not. So why would you suppose that distinct Euro nations could not unite as partners in the common cause of defeating globalistéMarxist parasitesÉ Wise up, children.

Blogger Unknown September 26, 2016 12:00 AM  

Black Liberation theology? Never heard of it... seems you know more about it than I, care to share a few detail?s Are you a disciple per chance?

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 12:00 AM  

@ 136 jOHN MOSBY

You are an idiot. The End-Game is known, but free-will ensures the path towards it will surprise everyone. No, I do not crow my "ignorance" I simply know that the Triune have a few tricks up their sleeves.

And not a dang thing wrong with that, they explained the basics, profess love in Christ, make Prayer/Magic EXCLUSIVE to the Highest and His devout, you'll be fine.

We aren't supposed to know it all for a damn good reason. If my understanding is ignorant, than it is what it is.

Anonymous Grinder September 26, 2016 12:03 AM  

Do you agree with the Fourteen WordsÉ Do you agree that globalists are a very real danger to the white nationsÉ Win first before you indulge your need to derail your own cause. Arguing over minutia is music to the globalists ears.

Blogger SciVo September 26, 2016 12:04 AM  

chris wrote:America as a subset of the Anglo-Celtic/British race/civilization.

UK, US, Aus, Can, NZ, all subsets of the one race/civilization.


Yes. The Five Eyes. Our intelligence agencies have long had a special trust relationship because it's practical, and we should take that as a signal to make it explicit culturally and economically as well.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2016 12:06 AM  

But from what I've seen white people can be just as savage as any other race out there.

Probably more so given the right stimulus. It's just that we also possess the intelligence to keep that savagery in check until it's needed.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 12:07 AM  

When Jesus was tempted by satan in the wilderness he was not afraid of him, you illiterate moron. Like I said, read the scrips,dummy.

Blogger EscapeVelocity September 26, 2016 12:08 AM  

There actually is a Pan European conscious blooming in Europe along the European Nationalist line. The English are aghast at bombings and rapes in Sweden and France, and so on and so forth. They prefer their Swedes to be Swedes.

But it's a diferent pan-Europeanism than the EU. It's a fondness amongst brothers, rather than an allegience to a supra-state.

Anonymous Your Bartender September 26, 2016 12:09 AM  

I do believe that it is time for some of y'all to put down your glass or bottle. Just a friendly suggestion.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus September 26, 2016 12:09 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:That brainwashing now appears to be running out of momentum, with the result that a lot of Noticing is going on from top to bottom of US society.

tl;dr

Let 10,000 alt-Rights bloom. Let there be a Polish alt-Right, a Hungarian alt-Right, an English alt-Right. Let the Americans work with what works for them, and everyone else find what works for them. Let there be only enemies to the Left, and only allies to the Right. Because 14 words.


Still to long, dint read. Notice:

Let 10,000 alt-Rights bloom. Because 14 words.

Blogger EscapeVelocity September 26, 2016 12:11 AM  

You can see this in Geert Wilders and Nigel Farage coming over to support Donald Trump. The English Defense League supports Pegida and Generation Identitaire. They give each other legitimacy. Most of these European Nationalists have distanced themselves from Anti-Israelism, Anti-Zionism, because at heart, Israel is a nation and a nation state for that religio-ethnic people. Israel gives legitimacy to their Ethno-Nationalist aspirations and projects.

Blogger Rusty Fife September 26, 2016 12:14 AM  

cheddarman wrote:The only people in this country with a unifying identity or myth are the Southerners/Soputhrons. The unique identity of the South before the American Civil War, the war itself, and the treatment of the Southern whites after the war forged the mythos of being a white southerner.

Northern whites have no such unifying identity and experience.


SOLUTION: we'll just have to kick their ass. Then they will have a shared identity as whipped Yankees.

Blogger M Cephas September 26, 2016 12:17 AM  

White is a weak identity. It is an emaciated version of a real identity, like being British, or Irish.

Conservatism can also be thought of as an emaciated version of nationalism.

I support putting an end to mass immigration, and believe Europe and North America should remain continents where the vast majority is of some European heritage. But I don't know if I qualify as alt-right because I don't care for the white nationalists.

The white nationalists will cut off their nose to spite their face, but for the most part, we have very similar goals.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 12:18 AM  

I have, both KJV with a Strong's Concordance and other translations. God was Awed at what He had done allowing Lucifer control over the World.

He was terrified of His own creation as far back as Babel.
Remember, His Creations did things he never imagined. That was the point!

I'm not being esoteric/occultist here, to me, it is simply OBVIOUS what the majority of Scripture says.

Blogger SciVo September 26, 2016 12:18 AM  

Unknown wrote:Now let me clarify... I accept the value of all races, and think they should all be preserved, and honored within national boundaries...

I don't know I guess I am conflicted but in one thing I am obdurate and that is the primacy of the Christian faith. I see brotherhood in Christ as having precedence in all things, in particular in building and maintaining a functional society.


I think it's right for us to be conflicted. Being brothers in Christ does not negate the material fact of it being proper for us to prefer our own kind, lest we be erased from the world. Subsidiarity is an excellent principle for resolving such conflicts.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 12:19 AM  

SOLUTION: we'll just have to kick their ass. Then they will have a shared identity as whipped Yankees.

Amen.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus September 26, 2016 12:20 AM  

VD wrote:I will fucking kill every motherfucker who tells me I have to live in the same nation with them.

This is why we don't let Markku do the marketing.


Every spear has its point, every arrow its fins.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 12:24 AM  

Look, I read up on Sodom and Gomorrah and cross-referenced that with Jesus on the Cross refusing vinegar waters and realized that was about opium and absinthe. Not "metaphors" but actual slavery-inducing pharmacy.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 12:27 AM  

Lame. Quit coppin' out and admit you are trying to ad lib the scrips you profess to to have knowledge without question about.
God don't like that kind of jazz, do you not know that ?

Blogger ZhukovG September 26, 2016 12:38 AM  

Support between Nationalist movements does not mean that some new White Superstate is going to take the place of the EU. Personally I would consider that just as undesirable as the EU itself. Hopefully that fool notion will get strangled in its crib.

I am also dismayed to see that a segment of the Alt-White are apparently dead set on writing themselves out of the Alt-Right.

I am a Southern Nationalist, but I don't try to define the Alt-Right by it and I certainly don't claim that you have to swear fealty to Dixie or you're not legitimate Alt-Right.

Blogger Noah B September 26, 2016 12:48 AM  

@108 IIRC Nazis and Catholic Italians managed to get along reasonably well.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 26, 2016 12:49 AM  

@133..
You refuse to get it. My anecdotes: in 3 professional situations I was saddled with black so-called engineers. I gave them the responsibility to go out and investigate some key aspects relating to the design problem. They were my 'brothers in Christ' afterall, right? Each returned with a finding/confirmation that, upon taken, irretrievably swung project development into a specific, no walking back path forward. And then ultimately, it was revealed later on when unit testing commenced, that these dindus misinterpreted what they investigate and ended up recommending exactly the wrong choice, that quickly resulted in half-assed workarounds in an attempt to deliver at that point a decidedly inferior beta. After being fooled 2 times, when another situation arose I trickily and deceitfully redirected their efforts to other much more minor aspects of the overall project, where they could do little, quickly recoverable damage. Granted my oversight could have been better (lesson learned), but the real lesson was never to let magical negroes into positions of critical decision making in the first place... and that would be NEVER, for the sake of your project, your company, and you own damn precarious career.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2016 12:55 AM  

SOLUTION: we'll just have to kick their ass. Then they will have a shared identity as whipped Yankees.

Well, get on with it then. You fucking southrons been sitting on your asses for 150 years.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 12:55 AM  

Dude, I'm not copping out to a damn thing. I'm trying to figure out what I see here and so far, not a single person can tell me I'm wrong, they call me a "poop-poop-head" but can't say I'm heretical. It's no different from the Roman Centurion when I say, "oh, he's a fag who wanted his gay-bottom butt-sex lover healed!"

Or the woman at the well, who Christ couldn't do a darn thing except explain that he was the Penultimate. He is the Explanation of All to those who seek. That is why fags, whores, tax collectors, soldiers, and many, many more in Sin even after being saved will have a House amongst the Mansions.

"And He was still with the people"

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 26, 2016 1:00 AM  

Fenris Wulf wrote:Jews have a pathological culture because of their long history as a people without a country. They developed a strategy of hijacking and subverting other people's countries. Leftist Jews hate Israel as much as any anti-Semite, and would gladly see it wiped off the map, because it's a threat to their identity. We created the modern state of Israel to protect us from them, as much as to protect them from us.

The Alt-White is too dogmatic to understand this. They think Jews are innately depraved because of genetics.

Enjoying a (((bagel))) as I type this.


Uhhhh ??? The Alt-White is fine with both, and sees no contradiction or tension between the two?

You've basically just summarized the teachings of Saint K-Mac, the Alt-White patron saint of anti-Semitism and author of Culture of Critique, the JQ Handbook. And we also note that Jews have higher rates of mental disorders, including obsessive-compulsive behaviors and others which come in handy with cultural subversion.

Anything that isn't Jewish-influenced triggers their neurotic fear of the other, and their OCD will lead them to find any argument that can convince the goyim to accept their influence.

But, so goes the narrative, even without the memetic hatred for everything non-Jewish, they will still be more likely to be neurotically discomforted by anything that rubs them the wrong way, and more likely to obsessively poke at it until they can find some criticism that makes them feel in control again.

Mind, in psychological warfare, most of the foot soldiers are better off leaving the complicated narratives to the officers and keeping it simple. "Jews are ruining everything, so Jew = bad" is good enough for most purposes.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus September 26, 2016 1:04 AM  

Unknown wrote:

I find it hard to accept the idea that genetic traits are stronger than religious ones. You all may call me a Churchian but I believe in a brotherhood within the Christian faith.

Now let me clarify... I accept the value of all races, and think they should all be preserved, and honored within national boundaries...


Why "accept the value of all [current year alleged] races"? 99+% of all the races that ever lived are extinct. Even Homo Erectus supposedly got the boot. So what does 'Unknown' mean by "value"? Is he to be our curator of alien races? "Value" in this context is a key SJW virtue-signal. "Christian Brotherhood" is an artificial construct that belies the natural order.

You may "value" him in any manner you choose, but you cannot be a brother to your distant cousin.

Personally, I highly value woodpeckers, chipmunks, and club moss. I think they should all be preserved, and virtuously, yea honorably honored, within their national boundaries.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 1:04 AM  

@ Ezekiel Cassandros

Couldn't have said it better myself

Blogger Noah B September 26, 2016 1:04 AM  

@18 Markku would do a great job of targeting those who are resistant to more conventional marketing methods. Just seeing him say that makes me want to slaughter some invaders on the taiga.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 1:05 AM  

Lame , again. And you are wrong, I'm the single person that said it. You mangle the scripture horribly, man. Pray to the Lord above he gives you wisdom to get it. I will, whether you like it or not.

Anonymous FitzRobert September 26, 2016 1:08 AM  

Goddamnit, not the time. We need to win first. Then we can fight over our differences. This is the exact goddamn reason that there has been no real opposition to the left in seventy years. We have our chance, right now, to seize the initiative. I am as certain as I am of anything that if we fail to capitalize on it this time, no chance will come again in our lifetimes.

Read "those icky people to my right" out of the Alt-Right and it becomes just another iteration of the Tea Party, and will soon die a quiet, ignominious, and well-deserved death.

Anonymous Siobhan September 26, 2016 1:09 AM  

I'm catching up slowly; is Cernovich Jewish?

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 1:28 AM  

@ FitzRobert

Exactly. But the Jews gotta go or convert.

The Alt-White are not wrong in asking, "WTF?!? 15 million Jews vs. 7 billion goyim (700 million white goys) why do we have Mike Cervanovich and Milo and Henry Make and Brother Nathaniel and Jew Among You and quite a few others in our ranks?!?

Blogger dfordoom September 26, 2016 1:34 AM  

@146. SciVo

Yes. The Five Eyes. Our intelligence agencies have long had a special trust relationship because it's practical, and we should take that as a signal to make it explicit culturally and economically as well.

I like Americans and I wish them well but the very last thing Australia needs is closer ties to the US.

Especially cultural ties. It saddens me to say this but culturally the modern US is an open sewer.

Blogger Unknown September 26, 2016 1:38 AM  

"Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus wrote:

Personally, I highly value woodpeckers, chipmunks, and club moss. I think they should all be preserved, and virtuously, yea honorably honored, within their national boundaries.


To each their own.
Far be it for me to get between a moron and his values. No problem between us bro I got no problem with Woodpeckers, or chipmunks... not too sure about the club moss though.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 1:39 AM  

Henry Makow* I meant. And there are too many other Jews in the "leadership" ranks. We've seen Jewish assholes like Francis Collins, David Wolfgang Hawke, etc.

In other words, it's too convenient.

http://www.subvertednation.net/kikes-kkk-and-the-racial-divide/

Blogger dfordoom September 26, 2016 1:39 AM  

@154. M Cephas

White is a weak identity. It is an emaciated version of a real identity, like being British, or Irish.

Is there such a thing as a British identity? An English identity and a Scottish identity and a Welsh identity - these are real identities. Britishness strikes me as an artificial concept.

Blogger Noah B September 26, 2016 1:40 AM  

I like it better if we just say Alt-Right = 1488 + JQ. And then we have to understand that there will be disagreement on a host of other issues.

Blogger dfordoom September 26, 2016 1:42 AM  

@162. Noah B

IIRC Nazis and Catholic Italians managed to get along reasonably well.

Nazis and Catholics did not get along at all. The idea that the did is anti-Catholic propaganda.

Italian fascists and Italian Catholics seemed to get along reasonably w

Blogger M Cephas September 26, 2016 1:53 AM  

@177.

Point taken. English, Welsh, etc, would be the proper identifications to have used there. Though British as a type of nationalism would still be stronger than a generic white nationalism, provided it is actually comprised mostly of the English.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 2:04 AM  

@ jOHN MOSBY

No, I do not "mangle" Scripture.
Scripture, as far as I've seen, tells me to be patient, see and hear, be wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove. It doesn't tell me to communion with the World.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 26, 2016 2:07 AM  

VD wrote:This is why we don't let Markku do the marketing.
"Buy this book, motherfucker. It's better than you deserve. Buy it or I will castrate you."

Blogger SciVo September 26, 2016 2:07 AM  

dfordoom wrote:I like Americans and I wish them well but the very last thing Australia needs is closer ties to the US.

Especially cultural ties. It saddens me to say this but culturally the modern US is an open sewer.


The open sewer is the paid content, which you're already paying for and getting. I'm talking about a conscious social choice to be more friends with each other.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 2:17 AM  

181. Takin' a Deplorable Look
Do you make a habit of repeating yourself in your replies ?
You know you did that here,pal.
You don't have to convince me,dude.
Be honest with yourself and the Lord, my friend.

Blogger SciVo September 26, 2016 2:18 AM  

Hello dfordoom in Australia! Happy to see you and hope this missive finds you well. What up?

I know that sounds a little weird and awkward and it'll be like that at first, but then we'll get over it. I love Aussies almost as much as Kiwis (I tease), and I'm sure that our countries will be besties in no time if we just decide to.

The benefits moving forward are incalculable.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look September 26, 2016 2:26 AM  

@184 jOHN MOSBY

Yes, I dub a lot because Kek wills it so.

Blogger Noah B September 26, 2016 2:29 AM  

@182 A regular reader of The New Yorker who comes across that ad is going to be terrified not to buy that book.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 2:35 AM  

Lookie here you pol/ack kektard , You know you can't serve two masters. Which is it,kek or the Lord ?
You are an autistic fag, just as I suspected.
God hep ye, boy.

Blogger SciVo September 26, 2016 2:37 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:VD wrote:This is why we don't let Markku do the marketing.

"Buy this book, motherfucker. It's better than you deserve. Buy it or I will castrate you."


"Buy this book or when the snow thaws, you will be found with your dead friend's dick up your dead butt. And no one will be able to prove it wasn't posed."

Blogger The Kurgan September 26, 2016 2:46 AM  

This is why we don't let Markku do the marketing

But... but... he had me SOLD! With that comment alone!

Blogger dfordoom September 26, 2016 2:50 AM  

@183. SciVo

I'm talking about a conscious social choice to be more friends with each other.

No offence but I'd have to say thanks but no thanks. Australia's close relationship with the United States has been an unmitigated disaster. The US doesn't have friends, it has vassals.

I'd like to see the end of the US-Australia alliance.

I think it's time to get a divorce. The marriage is just not working for us. We need some space. We'd like to see other people. You're too controlling and we feel you don't respect us. We just need to find ourselves. We wish you all the best and we hope you meet someone else.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 26, 2016 2:54 AM  

Unknown wrote:I don't know I guess I am conflicted but in one thing I am obdurate and that is the primacy of the Christian faith. I see brotherhood in Christ as having precedence in all things, in particular in building and maintaining a functional society.
How many of the feral savages you see on TV rioting in formerly decent majority White cites have mothers, or grandmothers or great-grandmothers who were fervent Christians?
You do remember when it was just expected that Blacks were Christians, since most of them were, right? That was the 1950s.

This is called the return to mean. Even exceptional individuals will have children and moreso grandchildren who are more and more like the average with each generation.

Why do you want your great-grandchildren to be raped, killed and eaten by savages?

@Markku
White Russian and Black Russian are both mixed drinks involving Vodka and light cream.

And Russians are Europeans, but they are not Western. Where people put the line varies, but very few consider Slavs as part of Western Civilization. In particular the Russians don't.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 2:54 AM  

Yeah, the bloody roo humpers got no prob with gun grabbin'.
F 'em in the ear with a spear.

Blogger dfordoom September 26, 2016 2:56 AM  

@180. M Cephas

Point taken. English, Welsh, etc, would be the proper identifications to have used there. Though British as a type of nationalism would still be stronger than a generic white nationalism, provided it is actually comprised mostly of the English.

Agreed. I think British identity probably exists up to a point.

I was in Cornwall years ago and was firmly put in my place when I mentioned the English. I was informed that "the English are nothing to do with us."

Blogger gary Shinola September 26, 2016 2:57 AM  

A lot of the stuff from Occidental/Spencer/etc feels a lot like what you get when an underground music genre goes mainstream-people who were there before getting upset and trying to establish their cred.

My answer is the same as it was on MPC- do I want to live in a 100% white nation? Depends, is it 100% white nationalists?

I also think they dont realize how unappealing their eternal crusade is. Yes, young radicals are willing to throw around Nazi Frogs because they WORK. What eager WNs forget is that to get an SA let alone an SS, Hitler spent decades training up cadres of ex military radicals. Theres nothing even remotely like that in the works.

Which goes into another concern I have-the all online aspect is very powerful in some respects, but theres little to no real life interaction. This is an eventual but growing concern.

Im not worried about entryism. Currently the alt right is entirely organic-the Tea Party made the mistake of incorporating as official organizations with membership lists and all. The alt right- subvert what? If milo goes off the rails, his popularity will wane. Until then, hes a. Firing left, b. Gives us useful social cover as a homo, and c. Absorbing flak. No money in fighting him now.

Itll be ridiculous if we end up in these little lefty purity wars. Although again, it wont do much to the movement, just entities. The recent Sargon shitposting war did nothing but make me unfollow some people.

Stormer, spencer, evrn duke have their uses. But they're fundamentally stick up the ass types, unsuited to a world where offense is a weakness. One too many lol u fags and they'll explode into 13000 word breakdowns no one reads.

Trump has used this. No one CARES that Hillary has 119k words of policy online. Its for spergs. Moldbugs most lasting legacy js jokes about how he never shuts up.

Im sorry- but SPENCER as a successor to trollgod trump? Duke? MacDonald? Alt right isnt WN. Or particularly JQ.

The analogy Id make is the continental army. Ordinary folks pissed off, inspired by some memetic literature to a great cause who, when that battle is won, shoulder muskets and go back to the farm.

These excited WN philosophers are going to be astonished at how little traction they get. Deporting 11 million Mexicans is going to be hell on rollerskates. 40 million blacks? Millions of jews? It is to freakin' laugh. Most Americans just want their friggin bit left alone. The USG/jews/whoever have really shit in the punch bowl, but the us has a long, long history of citizens joining up, doing their duty, going home.

All the WN fantasy is fundamentally in conflict with the American character. Nazism worked in Germany, but as anyone who spends time with germans will tell you-they aint like us. They love order, and structure, and doing the Acceptable Thing in a way that makes an American long to flip someone off.

WN, ultimately, requires people who wont roll their eyes and snicker "whatever" under their breath and they're in the wrong place for that.

Blogger Noah B September 26, 2016 2:59 AM  

Per my extensive education from the Ames Academy School of Bartending, a Black Russian is two parts vodka, one part Kahlua. Add cream and you get a White Russian.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 26, 2016 3:02 AM  

Noah B wrote:Per my extensive education from the Ames Academy School of Bartending, a Black Russian is two parts vodka, one part Kahlua. Add cream and you get a White Russian.
I haven't been able to tolerate hard liquor since a case of alcohol poisoning in 1980. If it's harder than wine it's outside my wheelhouse.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY September 26, 2016 3:07 AM  

"Buy this book, motherfucker. It's better than you deserve. Buy it or I will castrate you."
That's one helluva sales pitch if you ask me.
i likee much,yeah

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