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Friday, September 30, 2016

The Age of the Orc

Dyskord fails to grasp the importance of priorities with regards to the survival of the West:
All the talk of socialism as if its a valid form of government and wont lead to the same failed mess it always degrades into is laughable. I mean seriously now these socialists have jumped on the alt right bandwagon and under the guise of white nationalism proclaim socialism a white concept that only failed because of the inferior genetic or whatever faults of the OTHER races. Another pathetic excuse for a truly foolish system of governance.

I have to ask Vox, if a group of alt white Communists start proclaiming us and others false flag bearers will you accept them as valid by dint of being white nationalists.
At this rate the alt right should it succeed will fall into the same traps which led to the current decline.

I support the 14 words. I believe that in the history of the world only Western Civilization has raised individual men and women to a level of safety, security and freedom unprecedented in recorded history. I believe that nowhere outside of Europe or current predominantly white former colonies like New Zealand and Australia does democracy and Western values prevail. However not all white peoples are equal. In fact today pale-skinned latino's are considered white. A century ago Italians weren't considered white. The same regarding the Irish.

I'm not trying to dispose of the alt white or rally against them. By all means lets work together. But this acceptance of Socialism as valid is IMO disheartening. The rise of the right across Europe in my understanding is a refutation of socialism and its fruits.
First, let's get one thing perfectly clear. In any non-white West, some form of socialism may be the best case scenario. It is more likely that there won't be an economic system that is recognizable as a coherent Western system of any kind. After all, what is the best way to describe the economies of Mexico, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, or Malaysia?

Second, identity always trumps ideology in the end. I don't accept socialist economics any more than I accept the idea that 1+1=37 or that the Merovingian dynasty was descended from Jesus Christ. But every mass movement needs the participation of the left side of the bell curve too. The socialists of the Alt-Right are no more harmful to the core cause of the Alt-Right at this point in time than are the free traders, the monetarists, or the Keynesians. Their collective economic ignorance is irrelevant.

The largest invasion in human history is taking place and its consequences are going to shake the world for decades, possibly centuries. The Men of the West have laid down their guard and been invaded en masse by orcs and goblins and other creatures; even their cradles are filled with changelings.

Consider this: there are fewer than 1,000 speakers of my tribe's language alive today. It will be extinct by 2150. My tribe's blood is more diluted than that of the Numenoreans of Middle Earth; it is entirely possible that one day, your grandchildren's claim to be white will be scoffed at in much the same way some scoff at my claim to be American Indian. The same thing has already been happening to the American tribe for more than 150 years, to the point that the very definition of "American" has already been altered beyond all recognition.

The propositionals and universalists among us are wrong, Wrong, WRONG, because they refuse to read history, refuse to listen to us, and refuse to pay any attention to what the orcs and goblins themselves are saying. They believe, erroneously, that orcs and goblins are not only no different under the skin, but also want to be men just like them. But the truth is, they don't. Orcs and goblins want to continue to be exactly what they are, they simply want to pillage and rule in the West in exactly the same manner they do elsewhere.

As Sam Huntington noted 20 years ago, our values are not theirs:

The author of another cross-cultural survey of individualism and collectivism similarly highlighted the dominance of individualism in the West compared to the prevalence of collectivism elsewhere and concluded that “the values that are most important in the West are least important worldwide.”

Not just less important, LEAST important. The West will not transform the orcs or their values through its magic dirt. To the contrary, they will do as immigrants have always done, and transform the West into the Not-West, just as America has already been transformed into Not-America by not-Americans.

And yet, the Men of the West not only will not fight the invaders, they will not even cease to open their arms, their legs, their hearts, and their homes to them. What we are witnessing, what we are participating in, is nothing less than a civilizational mass suicide.

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162 Comments:

Anonymous Casey September 30, 2016 1:41 PM  

Any thoughts on whether or not the situation is biblical?

The longer it goes on the more I'm forced to view Earth as humanity's halfway point existing between heaven and hell.

I have no desire to turn myself off or anything like that. But maybe humans only value this existence because we know nothing else--when in fact it's intended to be a burden.

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 30, 2016 1:43 PM  

To be fair, Sharia law enforcers will have just as much respect for Muh Constitution as the current power brokers in DC.

Anonymous Dale Warner September 30, 2016 1:49 PM  

Another way of talking about this situation is to say that the dominant ideology in the West today privileges all things & people of the Third World, and degrades and mutilates all things & people of the First World.

A lot more would go with that concept, but it might help to bring the various wings together.

Blogger praetorian September 30, 2016 1:51 PM  

ze brak pirr...

Blogger frigger611 September 30, 2016 1:53 PM  

A perfectly accurate analysis.

Lately you're in top form, like an archer who keeps splitting his own arrows already buried at the bullseye of the target.

I admire the archer's ability, but am saddened by the spectacle, for it does not augur well.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 30, 2016 1:54 PM  

The problem I think, is what happened in Germany 71~75 years ago.

That the west is unwilling to consider that in order to restore European culture they must initiate a emigration and evacuation policy that would be recognizable to Germans of the 1941 to 1945 time era.

The West I grew up in rejected that solution, and tried to replace the former love of tribe with a love of man universal. Some may blame the Jews (I have heard as much here) but from what I see Christianity was as much responsible for this. There was a rejection of basic human reality along with the onset of good intentions.

But in another 25 years the century mark will have been past and likely they the post WWII mind set will be dead as well. Then you will see guys like Heydrich and the German solution to ethnic problems revised and adopted if there is a west still to defend. The pattern of the west is too wait until the last possible moment to fight, much like Charles the hammer at tours in 732, the Crusades from 1096 to 1187, the venetians at sea in 1570, the battles at the gates of Vienna in 1587 and 1683.

But once you remove the post WWII hobbling of the western masculine virtues and the a new blood bath will come. Just as the horrors of the revolutionary/Napoleonic period were supplanted by WWI , so too will the eventual European solution of ethnic and religious contamination


Hopefully I will be dead by that time.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 30, 2016 1:54 PM  

Who is Dyskord ? A search turns up a metal band from Perth with a different spelling and someone on Twitter.

Is this someone we are supposed to recognize and pay attention to?

VD
First, let's get one thing perfectly clear. In any non-white West, some form of socialism may be the best case scenario. It is more likely that there won't be an economic system that is recognizable as a coherent Western system of any kind. After all, what is the best way to describe the economies of Mexico, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, or Malaysia?

I would call those things oligarchy. A handful of families owning most of everything and dispensing favors as they see fit. That's how Mexico and Saudi work. Malaysia is more complex, being a mix of Muslim, Hindu and Chinese.

Representative democracy probably doesn't work very well for populations with a subnormal IQ, and it cannot work for tribal peoples such as the Arabs.

European style socialism only works to any degree in a homogeneous, small population such as Sweden, Denmark, Norway. Some other style will work with more diverse populations such as Mexico or Malaysia.

Quibbling over economics when the West is being drowned by colonists is pretty dumb.

Anonymous johnc September 30, 2016 1:55 PM  

I'm kind of surprised to see just how rapidly and enthusiastically the average white person has embraced dyscivic behaviors.

Blogger Escoffier September 30, 2016 1:55 PM  

Casey wrote:Any thoughts on whether or not the situation is biblical?

The longer it goes on the more I'm forced to view Earth as humanity's halfway point existing between heaven and hell.

I have no desire to turn myself off or anything like that. But maybe humans only value this existence because we know nothing else--when in fact it's intended to be a burden.


Of course it is Casey and never forget that Putnam found that diversity in even minute amounts simply increased human misery in every measurable way. In the Bible invasions are indistinguishable from judgment so step one is for godly men to get their business straight with God. To get their houses in god's right order. It only ever takes a remnant, that is God's promise.

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 2:01 PM  

The socialists of the Alt-Right are no more harmful to the core cause of the Alt-Right at this point in time than are the free traders, the monetarists, or the Keynesians.

This is only marginally true if you limit the definitional scope of socialism to economics. Socialism is a tool employed by very smart people to sucker useful idiots into assisting in the enforcement of control on freedom and liberties. Your freedom of speech on the internet is likely to be one of the first casualties. Once effective communication and dissemination of information is limited to acceptable goodthink, it's over.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 30, 2016 2:05 PM  

Nick S wrote:The socialists of the Alt-Right are no more harmful to the core cause of the Alt-Right at this point in time than are the free traders, the monetarists, or the Keynesians.

This is only marginally true if you limit the definitional scope of socialism to economics. Socialism is a tool employed by very smart people to sucker useful idiots into assisting in the enforcement of control on freedom and liberties. Your freedom of speech on the internet is likely to be one of the first casualties. Once effective communication and dissemination of information is limited to acceptable goodthink, it's over.



That is already well under way with ICANN becoming an international organization.

Blogger Stilicho September 30, 2016 2:06 PM  

Tldr: I hate Illinois Nazis, but I'm perfectly willing to let them attack the enemies of my nation.

Blogger Stilicho September 30, 2016 2:09 PM  

One does have to wonder why Stormfronters are so enamoured of (((socialist))) economics...

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 30, 2016 2:12 PM  

"The longer it goes on the more I'm forced to view Earth as humanity's halfway point existing between heaven and hell.

I have no desire to turn myself off or anything like that. But maybe humans only value this existence because we know nothing else--when in fact it's intended to be a burden."

It's a test.
Here is a shit sandwich.
How will you deal with it?
You will be graded based on your response.
Those who pass, get to participate in... whatever comes next.

Anonymous VFM #7916 September 30, 2016 2:14 PM  

@8

When men are told that holding judgment against immorality is evil, and that everything is equal under the sun can this be surprising?

"Cast the mote out of your own eye" is a phrase that has been abused by the Churchians, along with others that have been subtly used to remove any sort of condemnation from the heresy of feminism in the Church. Without condemnation, shame, and appropriate repentance the civic behaviors inherent in religion fail to work.

Then it's secularized and weaponized into name calling like bigot, sexist, misogynist.

It's interesting that the concept of the original sin, having knowledge of good and evil, is being eliminated, and it's not a good thing.

Anonymous BGKB September 30, 2016 2:16 PM  

“the values that are most important in the West are least important worldwide.”

Those are the ones that let us build railroads under bridges because nigglets were not allowed to get away with dropping rocks onto them.

Blogger Nathan Wright September 30, 2016 2:17 PM  

And yet, the Men of the West not only will not fight the invaders, they will not even cease to open their arms, their legs, their hearts, and their homes to them. What we are witnessing, what we are participating in, is nothing less than a civilizational mass suicide.

It's hard to fathom, from a historical perspective, what is happening to the Western nations. Is there even a historical precedent?

There are of course many historical examples of an intra-national faction allying with foreigners against its internal enemy. Sailer gave the example of a Welsh King inviting the French/Norman King to invade, in order to defeat the local enemy the English King. Another example (also from Sailer) is the Romans allowing an invading army of Gauls inside its territories, in the deluded hope of forming an alliance with them.

Of course the above are only distant analogues and don't really approximate what is happening to us. Or ... maybe they do? Is it just a repeat of what happened to other civilizations after they suffered a spiritual collapse, perhaps amplified by uniquely modern factors? Mass-media allows better dissemination of propaganda by the hostile elite faction, smartphones allow real-time coordination by the invaders, etc.

Anonymous BGKB September 30, 2016 2:19 PM  

what is happening to the Western nations. Is there even a historical precedent?

Jews selling white women as slaves to moslems before the inquisition.

OT "MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore was removed from the bench Friday for defying the U.S. Supreme Court on gay marriage, more than a decade after he got in trouble for refusing federal orders to move a Ten Commandments monument.

By suspending Moore for the rest of his term, the nine-member Alabama Court of the Judiciary has effectively removed him from office for the second time."

shitlibs are going to gloat about this rile them up so the normies can see

Blogger tz September 30, 2016 2:20 PM  

The Men of the West have laid down their guard and been invaded en masse by orcs and goblins and other creatures; even their cradles are filled with changelings.

All cradles are filled with changelings.

Western Civilization invented the disposable diaper.

Anonymous Silver Josh September 30, 2016 2:24 PM  

Your daughters (the few of you that have children) will bear Children of Color.

Get used to it

Blogger tz September 30, 2016 2:26 PM  

Also the turn to figuring out your race is an effect of the broken patriarchy. And perhaps the Jews who defined it as matrilinear rather than patrilinear.

Biblically, it didn't matter who the mother was (note in Jesus genealogy - Lukes IIRC - several gentile women are mentioned).

Adoption is still a possibility, but the question isn't what is the composition of all the great grandfathers and great grandmothers, but only the the male line.

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 30, 2016 2:27 PM  

the Men of the West not only will not fight the invaders, they will not even cease to open their arms, their legs, their hearts, and their homes to them. What we are witnessing, what we are participating in, is nothing less than a civilizational mass suicide.

Vox, a while ago you replied to a defeatist commenter with the remarkable statement, "I will not allow the counsel of despair on this blog." I agree and thank you for this.

This is why the above post disheartens me somewhat, albeit it describes current reality, unfortunately.

However, looking to the future, does this post mark a deviation from your previous bold position, or do I just misunderstand what you're saying here?

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 30, 2016 2:29 PM  

"Your daughters (the few of you that have children) will bear Children of Color.

Get used to it"

And if Soros gets his way, so will all the Jews.
The golem always turns on the rabbi, in the end. But what do you do when the rabbi IS the golem?

Checkmate, Juden.

Anonymous Luke September 30, 2016 2:31 PM  

Always apt in such a discussion:

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/01/the-alienork-way/

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 2:32 PM  

-ist this and -ism that will be unimportant once the illusion of unlimited resources evaporates.

People who wonder from where their next meal will come don't invest much energy in academic debate.

We simply have no reference for what's coming.

Blogger tz September 30, 2016 2:33 PM  

For a historical perspective, the tribes of Israel (not Judah, Benjamin and Levites there) intermarried with the Assyrians and became the "Samaritans" and were rejected - I forget if it was Ezra or Nehemiah, but Levites who married non-jewesses were banished.

I see genetics v.s. proposition as in tension. The Jews were "too smart" to accept the Gospel, as were many pagans. The unwashed did. But it was educated english protestants that gave us America 1.0, and although it has been opensource for almost 250 years, no other group has been able to make it work at all, much less better, and we are losing it and the importation of aliens who reject it cannot be ignored.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 2:37 PM  

Your daughters (the few of you that have children) will bear Children of Color.

Get used to it


I wish I could get a nickel for every comment made by someone whose intellect begins & ends at straight line projection. The world is stuffed with those who look at history and see lines where none exist.

Blogger residentMoron September 30, 2016 2:39 PM  

Arguments about forms of government (about ideology, as Vox notes above) are based on a faulty assumption that it is the form of government that restricts the excesses and abuses of power, and that prevents its build up into dangerous concentrations.

It's not.

Forms of government are a secondary effect of culture, which is a primary effect of identity (as Vox has been saying since forever), and it is the shared values of the great mass of the people which are the only effective brake on abuse of what concentrated power exists and the further concentration of that power to dangerously imbalanced conditions.

The people who want to argue about socialism (there's an historic American obsession with it) as if the form of government is determinative, have it entirely backward. The government, be it in the form of socialist, monarchist, or anarchist, will ALWAYS be trammelled and will ONLY be trammelled by the concerted resistance of the people to those abuses of power which outrage their sensibilities.

And THIS is why our governments advocate for open borders and massive ongoing immigration, THIS is why they have invented an unending succession of "reasons" to import aliens into our lands (we need manual labourers, we need skilled labourers, we need breeders, we need taxpayers), and THIS is why they must be stopped:

they know that once we are divided, we are conquered, and they mean to rule over us.

Just shut the fuck up about political ideologies. They are relevant only to the degree they are fruits of a poisoned tree. The axe must be laid at the root of the tree. That's what "radical" means; the radical was the old word for the tap root, the central lifeblood of the entire organism.

#FuckSake

Blogger l' Américain September 30, 2016 2:41 PM  

Why weren't Irish and Italians considered white?

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 2:42 PM  

What we are witnessing, what we are participating in, is nothing less than a civilizational mass suicide.

What we are witnessing is simply the axioms of Human Social Behavior exhibited during a once-in-300-years mass mania.

This, too, shall pass. Like the monetary madness that enables it, when the paradigm shifts we'll be concerned with an entirely different set of issues and the things causing today's angst will be nothing but dim memories.

Blogger Austin Ballast September 30, 2016 2:43 PM  

Biblically, it didn't matter who the mother was (note in Jesus genealogy - Lukes IIRC - several gentile women are mentioned).

I have heard that the father of the wife could formally adopt the husband as his own son, if he had no sons of his own. This would completely explain things if so, at least in the case of Joseph. Mentions of Rahab are to note her role, not her parentage.

Blogger residentMoron September 30, 2016 2:43 PM  

@dc.sunsets

Sunset is itself a great discontinuity. Perhaps we could see that as our cause celebre? Introducing the benightedly ignorant to the reality of sharp discontinuity.

Even Glock owners could serve.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 2:51 PM  

@residentMoron, I concur; debates about political ideology are a subset of the waste of time that is trying to make a citizenry better than its members.

You can't change the corporate culture of a firm once it is established. A polity is even more stable. That is, until you add the wrong ingredients.

A pot of soup that is 99.99% tomatoes & water and 0.01% dog shit is still shit soup, and arguing about which variety of tomatoes to add won't change that.

Anonymous #8601 September 30, 2016 2:52 PM  

This book on the Magna Carta provides a wonderful history of how the English values of liberty have survived many challenges over the centuries.

This time will be no different!

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 2:55 PM  

ResidentMoron, the metaphor of sunset is indeed applicable (darkness ahead, get the NV and FLIR sights ready for action) but my favored metaphor is the phase change of water moving from soft liquid to concrete hard ice over a tiny shift in temperature.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 30, 2016 2:58 PM  

I thought the main point of the Alt Right was nationalism - i.e., the state should be structured in such a way that every native nation is assured of its survival and decisions are made by a homogenous national community. Economic systems, tax regs, abortion laws, etc. are intranational issues to be decided by each nation individually and aren't prescribed by nationalism unless they go to the issue of national survival. When the Western nations are facing extinction, it would seem to be an unwelcome distraction and invite disunity to try to graft everyone's other pet policy issues on to the movement.

Anonymous BGKB September 30, 2016 3:01 PM  

ResidentMoron, the metaphor of sunset is indeed applicable

Its a good thing someone recently posted a link showing moslems have even worse night vision that groids.

Blogger dienw September 30, 2016 3:02 PM  

@ tz September 30, 2016 2:33 PM

For a historical perspective, the tribes of Israel (not Judah, Benjamin and Levites there) intermarried with the Assyrians and became the "Samaritans"

Wrong. Get your history straight.

2Ki 17:5 Then the king of Assyria came up throughout all the land, and went up to Samaria, and besieged it three years.
2Ki 17:6 In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes.


The Israelites were replaced by what became known as the Samaritans, not Samarians who were the Israelites:

2Ki 17:23 Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.
2Ki 17:24 And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.


Anonymous User September 30, 2016 3:03 PM  

The quality of a government is a function of the quality of the sovereign. The actual form is of relatively minor importance, although it definitely affects variance and succession. That the quality of a despotism is a function of the quality of the despot is readily apparent. However, that the quality of a democracy is a function of the quality of the demos is apparently baffling for many. Analogy isn't reason, but I've had some success getting the point across with this one.

Anonymous fish September 30, 2016 3:03 PM  

OT: Todays progressive moment in cognitive dissonance.....



Democrats object to Chick-fil-A voter registration drive


http://web.tampabay.com/news/politics/democrats-object-to-chick-fil-a-voter-registration-drive/2295668


Fox Searchlight Launches Voter Registration Drive for ‘Birth of a Nation’ Screenings


http://variety.com/2016/film/news/birth-nation-fox-searchlight-voter-registration-1201870207/

Blogger residentMoron September 30, 2016 3:09 PM  

@39 User

Good point, well made.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 3:10 PM  


win first . Argue later. If it takes collectivism or collective punishment or any other awful thing, we'll sort it out with God and deal with it than. No one is getting out of this with clean hands or without mental scars

Win first, Rule Second birth rates up quibble about economics and political systems last.

Its not hard.

Also I see our favorite troll is back, same "people of color" shtick . Ignore him. I could go on and one about why things are far from desperate but its unimportant. Someone taking precious time to post such rubbish is a good sign that our messages are working

Keep it up.

To use Al-Fin's expression , have dangerous kids, many of them, enough to outlast the ones you'll lose to the system and we'll be fine.

Now I have to get to work on that myself but those who cannot do teach as my Gran used to say.

Anonymous Gecko September 30, 2016 3:13 PM  

Orcs and goblins want to continue to be exactly what they are, they simply want to pillage and rule in the West in exactly the same manner they do elsewhere.

On a totally unrelated note, I recently picked up Shadow of Mordor and it is so very satisfying.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 3:16 PM  

Gecko wrote:Orcs and goblins want to continue to be exactly what they are, they simply want to pillage and rule in the West in exactly the same manner they do elsewhere.

On a totally unrelated note, I recently picked up Shadow of Mordor and it is so very satisfying.


Most peoples want free stuff and to be ruled as accustomed by their own assholes. Orcs and Humans alike.

RE: Shadow of Mordor , me too. The game is repetitious but you feel like a ranger and one stealthy killer. Its not exactly Tolkien as intended but its hella fun once you learn the controls.

Blogger Student in Blue September 30, 2016 3:19 PM  

Your daughters (the few of you that have children) will bear Children of Color.

Why in the world do these trolls keep capitalizing that as if it's some holy object you're supposed to worship?

Do they not realize how it makes them sound?

Blogger Dirtnapninja September 30, 2016 3:19 PM  

Here's the thing..nations can survive war. They can survive poverty. They can survive tyranny, conquest, occupation, corruption and incompetence. What they cannot survive is the replacement of their population. The very first principle should be "Do these people supportthe demographic dominance of the European peoples?" If so, then we support that.

Blogger Desiderius September 30, 2016 3:20 PM  

"they will not even cease to open their arms, their legs, their hearts, and their homes to them. What we are witnessing, what we are participating in, is nothing less than a civilizational mass suicide."

It's not suicide, it is conquest.

Those opening the gates are not opening them to their own homes.

Anonymous Just Stopping By September 30, 2016 3:31 PM  

I'll venture to say that most people in the US are diluted.

Deplorable and diluted ... oh my!

Blogger Sillon Bono September 30, 2016 3:33 PM  

I have said it many times here, this doesn't end well, and the elites have forgotten that when the time comes to fight the first and the last ones to die are the traitors.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 30, 2016 3:40 PM  

@22
Franz Lionheart wrote:the Men of the West not only will not fight the invaders, they will not even cease to open their arms, their legs, their hearts, and their homes to them. What we are witnessing, what we are participating in, is nothing less than a civilizational mass suicide.

Vox, a while ago you replied to a defeatist commenter with the remarkable statement, "I will not allow the counsel of despair on this blog." I agree and thank you for this.

This is why the above post disheartens me somewhat, albeit it describes current reality, unfortunately.

However, looking to the future, does this post mark a deviation from your previous bold position, or do I just misunderstand what you're saying here?



I do not find his statement disheartening but rather a call for personal deliberation and circumspection, if not a call to arms.

The struggle to find some significance and meaning in life has been difficult this last decade. If resisting and fighting this "civilizational mass suicide" is the best opportunity awaiting then it is a vast improvement over my personal status quo.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 30, 2016 3:42 PM  

@46 Desiderius wrote:..

It's not suicide, it is conquest.

Those opening the gates are not opening them to their own homes.



Heh heh heh, about that, I don't think it turns out quite like "they" envision.

Blogger Ben Cohen September 30, 2016 3:43 PM  

The most individualistic people, the English, started the industrial revolution.

Anonymous fish September 30, 2016 3:47 PM  

44. Student in Blue September 30, 2016 3:19 PM

Your daughters (the few of you that have children) will bear Children of Color.

Why in the world do these trolls keep capitalizing that as if it's some holy object you're supposed to worship?



.....the sentiment is "Cuckservatism" taken to its logical extreme.

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler September 30, 2016 3:49 PM  

The Men of the West "laid down their guard"?

The reason for the Death of the West, is its apostasy from the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church, its bishops, TAUGHT the Suppression of the Jews and their containment in the ghettos.

But Oh, NO, the European Atheists, in cahoots with the Jews, rebelled against the hegemony of the Catholic Church, and lead the rest of Europe in destroying Throne and Altar. It was European Atheists that have led to this problem. They adopted the teaching of the Jews. The whole "Enlightenment" was a rebellion of Atheists to give Tolerance to the Jews.

The Death of the West is the product of the Atheist "Enlightenment".

Blogger GFR September 30, 2016 3:49 PM  

Silver Josh wrote:Your daughters (the few of you that have children) will bear Children of Color.

Get used to it


With a 71% outmarriage rate your descendants will be Christians.

Blogger GFR September 30, 2016 3:53 PM  

@49
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"The struggle to find some significance and meaning in life has been difficult this last decade. If resisting and fighting this "civilizational mass suicide" is the best opportunity awaiting then it is a vast improvement over my personal status quo."
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"Daxos: There can be no victory here... why do you smile?
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Stelios: Arcadian, I've fought countless times, yet I've never met an adversary who could offer me what we Spartans call "A Beautiful Death." I can only hope, with all the world's warriors gathered against us, there might be one down there who's up to the task."

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 3:54 PM  

Because people here need a moral boost

https://www.yahoo.com/news/europes-populist-surge-fuelled-migrant-crisis-034805145.html

- HUNGARY: Orban, head of the right-wing Fidesz party, has organised the October 2 referendum on migrant relocation under an EU quota plan.

In late 2015, Hungary built fences along its borders with Serbia and Croatia to stem the massive tide of migrants. Other countries in the Balkans then followed suit.

Those migrants who do sneak through into Hungary suffer illegal border pushbacks and unlawful detention, Amnesty International said Tuesday.

Orban has called immigration "poison" and has said that "every single migrant poses a public security and terror risk".

- POLAND: The Law and Justice (PiS) party swept back into power in late 2015 after nearly a decade, playing on fears sparked by the refugee influx.

Its leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski has said refugees bring "cholera to the Greek islands, dysentery to Vienna, various types of parasites".

- NORWAY: The Progress Party joined a government coalition in 2013 after winning 16 percent of the vote. The party's Sylvi Listhaug, immigration and integration minister, has said "the tyranny of kindness is blowing over Norwegian society like a nightmare".

- DENMARK: The Danish People's Party won 21 percent of the vote in a 2015 legislative poll. The minority government needs the party's support to pass legislation.

Denmark introduced a host of measures to deter migrants earlier this year, including allowing police to confiscate some of their valuables to help pay for their accommodation.

- FINLAND: The nationalist Finns Party won 18 percent of the vote in 2015 legislative elections and is now a part of the government coalition, although its popularity has fallen. Party leader Timo Soini is foreign minister.

- Brexit ripple effect -

- BRITAIN: A historic vote on June 23 to leave the EU was the biggest success to date of populist movements since the bloc was founded.

The "Leave" victory was driven in large part by worries about immigration, economic uncertainty and a perception that an out-of-touch Brussels elite was making the rules.

With the Labour Party in crisis, the new head of the eurosceptic UK Independence Party (UKIP), Diane James, has said she wants the group to become Britain's main opposition force.

- FRANCE: The National Front (FN) has notched up several local electoral successes since 2012. The FN's Marine Le Pen has likened the migrant influx to the "barbarian invasions" of the fourth century.

Boosted by the succession of Islamist "terror" attacks in France, polls consistently tip Le Pen to reach the second round of France's presidential election in 2017.

- NETHERLANDS: The far-right Freedom Party is currently leading polls for a March 2017 legislative vote. The party's platform calls for a closure of "all mosques and Islamic schools" and "a ban on the Koran."

Also there is a ton of news from Austria, Germany and elsewhere

Actual German's may have blown up a mosque

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/dresden-mosque-bombing-is-germany-sleepwalking-into-a-civil-war/

Oh yes and even the US , well Texas is getting in on it

Al Jazeera
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/texas-mosque-attack-160703143400200.html

The men of the West are from doomed


Blogger Noah B September 30, 2016 4:01 PM  

Based Duterte doesn't think the NatSoc label is bad marketing.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/asia/duterte-hitler-comparison/index.html?sr=twCNN093016duterte-hitler-comparison0435PMVODtopLink&linkId=29388330

Anonymous llsepher September 30, 2016 4:04 PM  

This is why I think sequencing European genomes is a good solution. Gather an ark and let the flood pass over. How do you get a civilization to change its mind about killing itself? Though we will of course continue to push forward and try, by the time the Alt Right gains power it may be too late. The races may (probably are) already be too intertwined. In this scenario we should sequence what genomes are left and come back some day in the future when science makes it possible. As crazy as that sounds a long-term plan may be the best avenue. Make no mistake, what we are experiencing right now is a civilization ENDING event. This is a worst case scenario. A 60 million strong invasion and growing, a population brainwashed into hating themselves and being vehemently opposed to group identity, A corrupt form of government backed by an international cabal of billionaires bent on sacrificing the West unto the alter of a World Government... We are pretty fucked, but only if we play by old rules. Sequence. All. Genomes.

Anonymous Rezny September 30, 2016 4:07 PM  

@17
There are precedents. Germanics conquering and settling the West, Slavs conquering and settling the East.
A bit later the Arabs and Moors conquering Iberia, Crete and Sicily, most notably Persia.
It tells that Muslim obsession with laws comes from Jewish converts, while most things cultural and scientific came from Mozarabs of Al-Andalus of Perians of Khwarezm and eh Persia.
But there's a trick. Slavs assimilated from, Germanics assimilated into, and both Mozarabs and Persians remained as are. Arabs did little themselves but conquer.

The grimmer prospects come from Anglo-Saxons and Norsemen physically exiling Celts (or at least their men) to Wales and Brittany - and that's from a comparable racial stock.
The grimmer still are Turkish invasions of Asia Minor and Persia. Asia Minor was desolated enough that except for Greek seashore cities and some Armenian centres and the fringes the backbone of Eastern Rome was desolated enough for Anatolia to remain an extremely retarded part of Ottoman Empire that didn't even have proper roads and transportation well into early XX century while Rumelia lived off dhimmitech.

Also notice how Persian Khwarezm was a urbanized and cultured region that brought such people as Avicenna and al-Khwarazmi (latinized as Algoritmi), when after Turko-Mongols... well, it's a region where literally everything except for Persian leftovers of Bukhara and Khiva was built by Russians, turning to main exporters of lazy troublesome monkeys to Russian construction works the moment USSR collapsed and Sovietesque affirmative gibs ended overnight.

Considering that Europe seems to attract the absolute dregs of Afro-Arab-Persian world from racial and intellectual point of view, it either easily solves them when enough becomes enough or else Europe turns into Crapistan living off cheap labour and petty thievery in Russia. Or Greater Hungary it seems.

Anonymous DT September 30, 2016 4:08 PM  

One of your best posts Vox. If the west is to survive we have to focus like a laser on the core issue.

Blogger Durandel Almiras September 30, 2016 4:12 PM  

Vox, you're still optimistic that the West can turn this around, right? I hope your answer is yes, if only so that it continues to give me hope. The fight is still worth doing though if the answer is no.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 4:14 PM  

Those opening the gates are not opening them to their own homes.

Exactly. They engage in a particularly odious form of trespassing.

The "Tragedy of the Commons" is bad enough when illustrated by sheep farmers allowing the overgrazing of a shared pasture. Indescribably worse are those who invite locusts to invade the land of their fellow citizens, locusts who consume the neighbor's substance (crops) and spread pestilence in their wake (TB making a comeback, courtesy of 3rd worlders.)

When the illusion of unlimited resources ends, imagine utter intolerance for the welfare system that is several orders of magnitude more visceral and strident than anything we've experienced since LBJ said, and I quote: 'I'll have these niggers voting Democrat for 200 years.'

The phase change will be every bit as stark as the difference between Atlanta GA in 1859 and in 1865.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 30, 2016 4:16 PM  

GFR, I do not think you understand this aspect of Jewish life. There are only around 14~15 million in the entire world. Yet Jewish people have children at a rate far beyond 2.07 per child, especially orthodox and ultra orthodox. In 1945 there were 11~12 million and at the peak in 1939 there were around 17~18 million (though I suspect that figure is a wee bit low as it excludes a lot of Jews lost in soviet Russia to Stalinist actions)

What is happening is some mixed marriages are leaving the religion, and what is left is more concentrated old time Talmudic/Torah Jewish. Of course in the US there is a large population of assimilated Jews who are essentially not Talmudic/Torah observing, except culturally. Oddly enough you can be atheist in this culture but not married to a gentile unless he/she converts (which is not pushed, unless there are children) I suspect that the end result is the reform movement of the 19th century is being gradually being undone.

I would expect a century from now there will be 18 million Jews and they will be more orthodox than today (on average). The big question is what will happen to the mixed Jews who are culturally the core of the reform movement, will they retain a Jewish identity or not. The more orthodox/conservative Jews do not look kindly on reform/assimilated/atheist Jewish in culture only types (at least on the east coast).

In any case I very much doubt Judaism is going away any time soon, unless G-D either sends the messiah or another self induced screw up results in a G-D allowing yet another spanking. Jews have been around since 1850~2250 BC without losing their identity, somebody is looking out for them.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 4:18 PM  

Stilicho wrote:One does have to wonder why Stormfronters are so enamoured of (((socialist))) economics...

1st because many a a good bit German. Second because it predates any of ((their influence)) by centuries

Diggers and Levellers are from the 17th century and are European indigenous movements .

Also National Socialism is basically a modern subset of Feudalism, a series of reciprocal obligations . Capitalism is the ((Merchant)) ethos writ large.

last reason anyone who thinks progress is a thing is worried about the Craigslist problem (creates 35 jobs, destroys tens of thousands) automation basically

Computers and automation vastly destroy more jobs than they create . we already have the problem now and liable to get worse over time if society makes it through.

To the Stormfront types Nat Soc is well understood, preserves the race and has a functioning economy

Anonymous Sam the Man September 30, 2016 4:19 PM  

Correction

Jewish women have more than 2.07 per female (at least in orthodox communities) My guess would be north of 3 per women average, including the ones who do not have any.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 30, 2016 4:20 PM  

GFR wrote:@49
"A Beautiful Death."


I long for an honorable death which is beautiful. Please don't misunderstand: I'm not suicidal, and I love life. I'm struggling to avoid becoming a zombie among the living.

Anonymous M.W. Peak September 30, 2016 4:22 PM  

The current American and European generation of the West is so convinced of their own historical white guilt that they honestly believe the world will be better off without them. The new Western anthem is Suicide Solution (cue Ozzy).

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 4:22 PM  

Stilicho wrote:One does have to wonder why Stormfronters are so enamoured of (((socialist))) economics...

1st because many a a good bit German. Second because it predates any of ((their influence)) by centuries

Diggers and Levellers are from the 17th century and are European indigenous movements .

Also National Socialism is basically a modern subset of Feudalism, a series of reciprocal obligations . Capitalism is the ((Merchant)) ethos writ large.

last reason anyone who thinks progress is a thing is worried about the Craigslist problem (creates 35 jobs, destroys tens of thousands) automation basically

Computers and automation vastly destroy more jobs than they create . we already have the problem now and liable to get worse over time if society makes it through.

To the Stormfront types Nat Soc is well understood, preserves the race and has a functioning economy

Blogger DrAndroSF September 30, 2016 4:29 PM  

@7. An honest information question. Since you quoted his phrase "non-White West," can you tell me what it means. To me the two part of the phrase are exclusionary. Am I missing a nuance?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 4:39 PM  

Now re: Orcs.

Despair is the council of the enemy

You need to keep fighting and stop despairing. Frankly asking people in their 40's or older especially ultra law abiding Germans or Jante ridden Nordics to suddenly start a civil war that will end up in the mass expulsion and death of millions when they think maybe delusionally there is a political solution is folly.

A mutated strain of Christianity also has kind of hag-ridden them and this weakness is why when the Austrian wanted to do his thing he emphasized pagan imagery . More hate, more furor less love is what it takes and when you are materially content its harder to go from love to hate and furor.

Still its happening even Yahoo has noticed it

https://www.yahoo.com/news/europes-populist-surge-fuelled-migrant-crisis-034805145.html

And I've seen reports of all kinds of attacks , fences and so on
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/european-rabbits-begin-to-wake-up/

Have hope, keep Calm and Carry on but understand if you are so lucky as to not have to fight, your kids will. Get them ready.


These things take time and I am note sure that most euro folk even noticed their was an issue till a few short years ago

They are acting, both within the law and without. have hope.

Blogger M Cephas September 30, 2016 4:43 PM  

The very existence of "white" as a tribe makes the propositionals' point for tbem. Somehow whites have become the inheritors of American values regardless of their ethnic origin or personal beliefs.

They are capable of being American through the power of magic dirt, but not others for whatever reason.

Anonymous VFM#1819 September 30, 2016 4:44 PM  

Did Big Fork go live today?

Blogger VFM #7634 September 30, 2016 4:44 PM  

"Your daughters (the few of you that have children) will bear Children of Color."

Why in the world do these trolls keep capitalizing that as if it's some holy object you're supposed to worship?

Do they not realize how it makes them sound?


@44 Student in Blue
Well, considering how Googles are in fact treated as sacred objects in this country, I can't exactly blame them.

Although they shouldn't try doing it around us.

Blogger American Spartan September 30, 2016 4:51 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:GFR, I do not think you understand this aspect of Jewish life. There are only around 14~15 million in the entire world. Yet Jewish people have children at a rate far beyond 2.07 per child, especially orthodox and ultra orthodox. In 1945 there were 11~12 million and at the peak in 1939 there were around 17~18 million (though I suspect that figure is a wee bit low as it excludes a lot of Jews lost in soviet Russia to Stalinist actions)

What is happening is some mixed marriages are leaving the religion, and what is left is more concentrated old time Talmudic/Torah Jewish. Of course in the US there is a large population of assimilated Jews who are essentially not Talmudic/Torah observing, except culturally. Oddly enough you can be atheist in this culture but not married to a gentile unless he/she converts (which is not pushed, unless there are children) I suspect that the end result is the reform movement of the 19th century is being gradually being undone.

I would expect a century from now there will be 18 million Jews and they will be more orthodox than today (on average). The big question is what will happen to the mixed Jews who are culturally the core of the reform movement, will they retain a Jewish identity or not. The more orthodox/conservative Jews do not look kindly on reform/assimilated/atheist Jewish in culture only types (at least on the east coast).

In any case I very much doubt Judaism is going away any time soon, unless G-D either sends the messiah or another self induced screw up results in a G-D allowing yet another spanking. Jews have been around since 1850~2250 BC without losing their identity, somebody is looking out for them.


Yeah, the horned one. Mr. Satan himself.

Blogger VD September 30, 2016 4:51 PM  

Vox, you're still optimistic that the West can turn this around, right

Yes, but it will require a ruthlessness that has not been seen for decades, if not centuries.

Did Big Fork go live today?

Not exactly. The announcement will be middle of next week, it looks like.

Blogger cheddarman September 30, 2016 4:54 PM  

If the massive credit bubbles the globalists have blow pop, that will wake people up pretty quickly.

Blogger ThePainTrain September 30, 2016 4:55 PM  

No one on the alt right is a literal socialist, even the "national socialists" are not. The alt right is pragmatic on the issue of economics. I think the baseline for the center of the alt right on the issue of economics is that capitalism is a fundamentally good starting point, but may need modification in areas where it causes major harm to the group or good of society. For example, Military tech development would likely all be in house to stop the military industrial complex from goating politicians into fighting useless wars. In addition, as we enter the age of automation, austro libertarian economics will become either impossible or very harmful to implement. Some form of pragmatic economics must be implemented to ensure people are still productive. This may mean space colonization (or some other kind of expansionism) may be needed to keep people productive.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing September 30, 2016 4:55 PM  

@65 This is definitely a call to arms of sorts. We have a goal, and we get the job done as we need to, there is no sit down and honorably lose the most important conflict. There is a pretty important distinction between defeatism and understanding how incredibly dire and serious the situation is.

As for the honorable death, I think I understand the sentiment. However, it's important to know when to plant your flag on the hill, there's little reason to plant it too early or too late and waste everything. We must be perceptive as to what options are available and how effective they will be at any given time. We don't have as much time as we'd like to think, however.

I know one of my friends looked at me a month ago and said to me, "you look like you've seen some shit." I was pretty startled that he could visibly tell; it was probably one of the weirdest moments of my life. I try to stay pretty upbeat, but I guess that it's definitely noticeable to other people that I've looked into the abyss, so to say. I kind of wonder if a lot or even some of the other Alt-West/Alt-Right people have a look to them, a seriousness of sorts in everything they do and even how they look.

Blogger Matamoros September 30, 2016 4:55 PM  

Here is an article that explains a lot of the mindset of the Left and SJWs, which comes from Bolshevism.

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/The-house-is-on-fire--8466

Anonymous johnc September 30, 2016 5:10 PM  

Yeah, the horned one. Mr. Satan himself.

Indeed. They're a highly reliable and effective tool.

Blogger Unknown September 30, 2016 5:14 PM  

identity always trumps ideology in the end

How would you use those who identify as white but are not recognised by skin-color-triggered White Orcs on an unholy rampage? How would you separate White Men from White Orcs, for example?

Anonymous Revan September 30, 2016 5:19 PM  

We can deal with the white orcs when we win. For now all we need is for the white orcs to attack the enemy.

Blogger Robert What? September 30, 2016 5:25 PM  

Well, being a Jewish rare Jewish American who supports the Alt-Right I have been told numerous times my support is neither needed nor wanted. It doesn't mean I'll change, since I still support what is best for this country. (I grew up in a US that was 90% White and Christian.) But I won't pretend it isn't somewhat disheartening.

Blogger Nathan Wright September 30, 2016 5:34 PM  

Rezny wrote:There are precedents. Germanics conquering and settling the West, Slavs conquering and settling the East.

Those examples are mostly civilizations expanding by conquest. In some cases they assimilated after conquering, in other cases they physically expelled the conquered, but in each case (I'm assuming) they faced organized armed resistance from the states that claimed the territory they were invading.

Our situation feels more like the Anglo colonization of North America. There was no war declared, just the gradual displacement of the natives -- who lacked the large-scale social organization to resist -- by incremental occupation of territory, individual battles, and betrayal of treaties.

In our case, you could say that we also lack the social organization to resist, in the sense of spiritual demoralization, and an actively hostile (((elite))) that deliberately sabotages our social cohesion and facilitates the invaders. Maybe that subversion is the unprecedented part -- it must be extremely rare in history for an alien people to have both enough genetic similarity to the natives to be able to superficially blend in, as well as enough hostility (not to mention in-group cohesion and ability) to be able to subvert and ultimately displace them over the course of generations.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 30, 2016 5:38 PM  

Hungary has a fence on its border. Turkey is finishing a fence on its border. Israel has a biiiiig fence on its border. Saudi Arabia is building a fence on the Iraqi border. India has a fence nearly all the way around Bangladesh.

Now Austria is starting to build a fence, why can't we have a fence, too!.

Blogger VD September 30, 2016 5:39 PM  

Well, being a Jewish rare Jewish American who supports the Alt-Right I have been told numerous times my support is neither needed nor wanted

One should do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because you'll be praised for it. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that the Alt-White rejects me. I care about the survival of the West, I don't care what they think.

Blogger Nathan Wright September 30, 2016 5:40 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Well, being a Jewish rare Jewish American who supports the Alt-Right I have been told numerous times my support is neither needed nor wanted. It doesn't mean I'll change, since I still support what is best for this country. (I grew up in a US that was 90% White and Christian.) But I won't pretend it isn't somewhat disheartening.

Remember, Lawrence Auster was a Jewish convert to Christianity. He was and is a hero to the Alt Right. But clearly there's a high degree of skepticism to Jews on the Alt-Right, especially when the individual in question otherwise exhibits high degrees of Jewiness *cough*Milo*cough*.

Anonymous Luke September 30, 2016 5:47 PM  

60. Durandel Almiras September 30, 2016 4:12 PM

Vox, you're still optimistic that the West can turn this around, right? I hope your answer is yes, if only so that it continues to give me hope. The fight is still worth doing though if the answer is no.

Read Victor Davis Hanson's book "Carnage and Culture". You'll find it quite encouraging on this point.

Anonymous BGKB September 30, 2016 5:48 PM  

Leftists are trying to put republican pics up with I AM OMAR SANDNIGGER MATTEEN with faces like TRUMP Cruz Palin, as memes. Can someone tell them Omar's dad campaigned for hILLdog & TRUMP is trying to keep the next moslem killer out of gay bar bathrooms. http://rare.us/story/a-mans-angered-response-to-orlando-has-iamomarmateen-trending-right-now/

OT: I hate the egg captha it always includes things made with eggs.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 30, 2016 5:54 PM  

American Spartan,

Not to derail this discussion, but until at least 30 AD it was not Satan but G-D "the father" that was on their side, same fellow as the Christians of today bear allegiance to (or think they do). Since then you might be able to make a case, both within the Talmud and in the NT that they have gone wayward, but I assure you Jewish tradition is still trying to keep the law of G-d as they think they know best, even if they missed the messiah coming.

For as long as the Jews are, they will keep G-Ds law as given them on Mount ...(debatable exactly where). They may be a stiff-necked people, but that much they will carry out and uncorrupted copies of the Torah will be around for all the nations of the world to know G-ds law, should they care to.

The fact is the oral law, much of it written to point out defects in Christian doctrine, make it very hard for an observant Jew to adopt the Christian messiah. One pretty much has to reject a lot of Jewish history and pretty much everything written since the Maccabee period in order to accept the Christian message on the messiah.


Cerdic Ricing

I would guess you are a young man, looking for a good cause. I know the type, from my greener days of youth. All I can say is any conflict that comes out of this is likely to be not all that nice and likely to happen later rather than sooner. So waiting around to an honorable death is kind of missing the mark, as the end result of an honorable death in a dishonorable conflict is ...not good.

A harder mission would be to marry well, have a bunch of kids and raise them to be strong civilized humans beings. Of course that means living well rather than a noble Gotterdammerung, which is much more appealing to young unmarried men. Problem is there are very few such good ending outside of tedious operas, ask the Germans of the two early-midcentury (1900 to 1940) generations.

Living well, marrying well and devoting one's self to caring for others as a protector and guide is a more long term mundane choice, one that ultimately provides much more comfort and fear in ones old age. Comfort as one contemplates ones life works, fear for your children. For we older men, knowing how young men think, worry about our children running off to be destroyed in the next "great cause" of their generation.

Yet most of these great causes are unknown 100 years later, the lives ruined and the families devastated forgotten in the sands of time. Do you even heard of the Polish-Teutonic War of 1519 or care? How about the 30 years war, do you know anything of that, a conflict that killed 30% of the central European population? So many family lines lost for what? to paraphrase Bismark; all the glory to be had in an honorable death is not worth the shortened life of one Pomeranian grenadier.

I would say it is better for a man to marry well, such as Vox, be leader, protector and father to some kids and do the best you can in this life. Unless you are remarkable brilliant and are going to make a huge contribution to mans knowledge, for most of us well bred children will be the best legacy we leave behind on this temporal realm. It was ever thus.

something to ponder.

Blogger Lovekraft September 30, 2016 5:58 PM  

The left has created a FIREWALL in families and communities of Western society. Interaction among even close relatives becomes a mental jousting, deceptive scenario. There is no glue such as common economic interests, faith, history etc to bond these people.

Once it may have been enough on a small enough scale, but today we are being linked by a globalist anti-Christian agenda. If Mohammed can unite a global army, Jesus Christ does much more to unite people, which is why he is attacked so viciously in the West.

Without a shared spiritual outlook, it will be easy for the enemy to divide. The alt-right presently evolves around certain key principles and it is crucial that these get fleshed out and solidified.

Blogger Lovekraft September 30, 2016 6:04 PM  

I've been putting some thought recently into whether there can be allies in the left and am very cautious whenever the subject of an alliance of sorts comes up.

There are some incredibly aware and insightful readers of this blog who feel the same as I do - skepticism. History isn't a friend when discussing power struggles among atheists.

So my vote goes to adopting a very strict Christian mindset when discussing any alliance with the left.

Blogger Robert What? September 30, 2016 6:09 PM  

If you'll notice, that's exactly what I said in my comment.

Blogger ZhukovG September 30, 2016 6:31 PM  

There is no such thing as Magic Dirt; only White People who bring the Magic to any Dirt they will take a stand on.

Blogger Durandel Almiras September 30, 2016 6:34 PM  

@VD - I agree. Though I notice my Christian brothers get pale when I mention the need for such ruthlessness. Part of getting it back is teaching Christians to reject their religion of Niceinsanity and see that ruthlessness against evil is permitted.

@ Luke - I'll check the book out. Thank your r the suggestion

Blogger Karl September 30, 2016 6:45 PM  

OT, was forced to watch Kevin Sorbo in "God's Not Dead" supposedly by the same people who made "Fireproof". Wasn't half bad for depiction of atheist moron prof but overall not great. 2/5 Strypers.

Blogger ThePainTrain September 30, 2016 6:56 PM  

@85
The alt white doesn't hate you (well, except for the 88ers, but that's besides the point since they hate everybody). What we don't like is the idea that a cultural libertarian is being considered an entryist to an inherently authoritarian movement. We are on the exact opposite spectrum of the political compass. That isn't to say that Milo isn't an ally, as any one on the right side of the political compass is an ally (well, except for the neo cons). But Milo needs to keep with his brand. Richard has the best term for what Milo is: a fellow traveler. Trying to muddy what the alt right is is unacceptable.

Blogger Lazarus September 30, 2016 6:58 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:The fact is the oral law, much of it written to point out defects in Christian doctrine, make it very hard for an observant Jew to adopt the Christian messiah. One pretty much has to reject a lot of Jewish history and pretty much everything written since the Maccabee period in order to accept the Christian message on the messiah.

It is by design:



Romans 11:8English Standard Version (ESV)

8 as it is written,



“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”

Anonymous monastic_timothy September 30, 2016 6:59 PM  

Men of the West haven't let down their guard, they've deeply intuited that life according to Western values - individualism, science - is hardly worth living, and have decided to commit suicide.

The revealed prefences of westerners are being systematically ignored, and any attempt to revive the West without acknowledging that what is distinctive about the West is exactly what made life not worth living is doomed to failure and a product of laughable naivete and self congratulatory ignorance.

But people are dumb.

Blogger Montrose September 30, 2016 7:02 PM  

Daily reminder that game theory has already determined that individualist approaches eventually fail when in competition with ethnocentric ones.

Anonymous johnc September 30, 2016 7:07 PM  

Men of the West haven't let down their guard, they've deeply intuited that life according to Western values - individualism, science - is hardly worth living, and have decided to commit suicide.

I think there's much truth to that. Before deciding to save the West we'll have to contemplate just what the hell it is we're trying to save.

The West as it is now is not worth saving. Just like America, today, is not worth saving. That's part of the reason why I'm a "burn it down to the ground and start over" kind of guy. But I'm also nuts, so there's that.

Blogger VD September 30, 2016 7:17 PM  

But Milo needs to keep with his brand. Richard has the best term for what Milo is: a fellow traveler. Trying to muddy what the alt right is is unacceptable.

He is media. Don't expect the media to EVER get anything correct. It's not what they do. And understand that you cannot make a dialectical analysis of public rhetoric.

Seriously, a lot of you guys are playing checkers while Milo and a few others play wargames. Please read Chapter 10 of SJWAL. Until you grasp the distinction between rhetoric and dialectic, you can't possibly even begin to understand what is happening.

Just be happy that Milo continues to deny being a member or a leader of the Alt-Right. Ask yourself this: why is he doing that?

Wouldn't he get more press and attention if he played along? He's not denying it because he's afraid of pissing off people who already despise him, after all.

Blogger Gary September 30, 2016 7:20 PM  

The men that fled to America were unable to live with order.
It's to be expected that the descendants of revolutionaries will reap what their forefathers sowed.
God, King & country, but they'd had enough of God's rules and the King's laws, so off they went, seeking the laws of man. God was dismissed.
Western men these days have lost their faith, so why would they fight?
Those of us that have faith are few in the West, but Russia offers hope, and Hungary. There is always hope.

Blogger Sheila4g September 30, 2016 7:25 PM  

@82 Robert What? "But I won't pretend it isn't somewhat disheartening."

It's not all about you. If you genuinely share the views of the Alt Right, then you'll support it regardless of what it thinks of you. Just because you aren't fully trusted or desired as a leader (and given the general behavior of American Jews, who -other than a neurotic or paranoid individual- can blame the Alt Right's lack of trust?) doesn't and shouldn't change one's devotion to a cause, if one's stance is principled and not merely about "what does it do for me?"

@85 VD: "One should do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because you'll be praised for it."

Precisely. In discussing this with my son, I said "White people and the Western Civilization they created are worth dying for," and he agreed. Obviously, as a normal mother I would also hope my sons and someday their sons would also survive, but it's not enough to merely survive in a debased and degraded world. There are things worth fighting for - not because they're useful to oneself, but because they have an intrinsic value separate from their utility to oneself. This is far bigger than any individual or family.

Anonymous monastic_timothy September 30, 2016 7:27 PM  

Right, what's not worth saving is precisely 'western civilization' (whats distinctive about it, like scientific materialism, individualism, neoliberal capitalism)...so it's ironic, if not ridiculous to see those people who go on about saving western civilization point to exactly what destroyed us as what's worth saving.

The irony is that what made us materially superior also made us spiritually empty and ended up making us lose interest even in our material superiority.

We have to choose between being massively superior to everyone else for a few generations than dying in an orgy of self hate brought on by spiritual emptiness needed to accumulate all that power and wealth, or being spiritually healthy in the long term a viable civization but giving up on our Faustian bargain of superiority.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 7:27 PM  

monastic_timothy wrote:Men of the West haven't let down their guard, they've deeply intuited that life according to Western values - individualism, science - is hardly worth living, and have decided to commit suicide.

The revealed prefences of westerners are being systematically ignored, and any attempt to revive the West without acknowledging that what is distinctive about the West is exactly what made life not worth living is doomed to failure and a product of laughable naivete and self congratulatory ignorance.

But people are dumb.


I am not sure I am reading your right but as I see it

Western values as we know them now, i.e. Enlightenment Era are what is being rejected and rightly so. Western life throughout history was communal, tradition driven and centered around families , blood, soil ,tradition (which includes faith)

let me repeat that, western life is communal not individualistic

That are our native folkways.

Atomized Individuals and Consumers linked by nebulous "values" is killing us. The values of the merchant class bated on the values of the ((merchants)) is toxic

Alt. Right people long for a return to some kind of Christianity , even non believers because it scales up and crosses borders creating traditions and folkways we all share , a part of western civilization with a greater commonality than the others

I'm not sure we'll get it back though or could have had it much after Luther and we'd best plan to do without.

In any case so long as our lands are Orc free and we are decently fertile (2.1 is fine) and at peace with each other, we don't have big problems

These aren't insurmountable obstacles for a healthy people and they require little unifying transnational forces either, neither racialism nor faith is mandatory only a willingness to see a better future along common sense lines

Be proud of your people and punish the shit of of people who degenerate the culture and yes be willing to tell people "look here is what is expected of you. Go do that or face consequences."

Its not hard if your culture doesn't have depression

Blogger M Cephas September 30, 2016 7:28 PM  

@62.

Sam the Man,

You're confusing the Jews of the Old Testament, and the Jews of the Talmud. Jews of old do not exist. They do not have a Temple, their Temple was destroyed. They do not have animal sacrifice.

The Talmud comes from Rabbi and their teachings after Jesus Christ. After their rejection of Him. The Jews that did not reject him, went on to become Catholic.

The Talmud is full of hatred towards Jesus Christ.

Blogger Unknown September 30, 2016 7:29 PM  

What is good and what is evil, and who knows for sure from their own sinful condition?

Anonymous monastic_timothy September 30, 2016 7:37 PM  

Yes you are reading me correctly - the post renaissance, Enlightenment, scientific revolution, capitalist revolution West - i.e the last five hundred years - has produced a way of life so empty that we have simply lost the will to live.

But for instance, you have guys like Steve Sailor and John Derby shire go on and on about how great science is and why it makes us so superior to everyone else and how saving the West means saving science - I find this deeply ironic and ridiculous.

Vox quoted in the poSt how the rest of the world hates what the West values, i.e individualism. Well, if that's the West, if that's what we need to save, we're doomed, and people understand nothing.

Blogger Robert What? September 30, 2016 7:38 PM  

Right. I said I wasn't going to change, because I want what is best for thus country regardless if I am "accepted".

Blogger Cerdic Ricing September 30, 2016 7:42 PM  

@89

That's my goal, to do as you said. My main point is that I'd rather fight than do absolutely nothing, but it's a waste to act early out of stupidity. There is a time for someone to do something, when that is, I don't know. It's likely it'll either be my generation or the next generation that has to do anything. I was kind of phrasing things to the other person who also seemed young that there's other things to do than throw himself away in haste.

Either way, as you said, there's plenty of other things to do before deciding it's time to fight.

Still, I can't shake the feeling that we have less time than a lot of people think. Maybe there's something about growing up during some of this which increases the feeling of urgency, as Vox has said a few times.

@100

There's definitely some redefinition that needs to happen for the West. Things need to change at a fundamental level.

Blogger Robert What? September 30, 2016 7:46 PM  

Probably more correct to call the ancient Jews "Hebrews". I don't know who their direct descendants are today, but most certainly not the Ashkenazi Jews. If I had to guess I'd say the Palestinian Christians.

Anonymous johnc September 30, 2016 7:57 PM  

Vox quoted in the poSt how the rest of the world hates what the West values, i.e individualism. Well, if that's the West, if that's what we need to save, we're doomed, and people understand nothing.

I agree. It strikes me as a sort of "conservative" approach that simply goes further back. We need to "conserve" some ridiculous philosophy from 200+ years ago or whatever. As Chesterton said, once an error becomes established conservatives go about trying to conserve it. And then you can never uproot it because they get in the way.

And I've offered here plainly that what the West needs is to return the deposed King to His rightful place on the throne; and that must be a very visible and formal and public thing -- not just "in our hearts". If it was truly in our hearts it would be in every national structure. Many people are not ready for that just yet. But they'll wise up when things get really bad.

Blogger GFR September 30, 2016 8:06 PM  

@62
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Well I suppose you would know best, however I've noticed that your co-religionists are always kvetching about judaism fading away due to outmarriage and low attendance rates at synagogue.
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What's that all about?
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PS: I find it strange that this thread is discussing the imminent demise of "White" people when there are 1.3 BILLION of them whereas you are not concerned about jews dying out when there are a hundred times fewer jews..

Blogger clk September 30, 2016 8:06 PM  

Wouldnt the correct analogy for the american indian be the Druedain, not the Dunedain...?

Blogger GFR September 30, 2016 8:15 PM  

@64
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Thats weird because this article from 2015 says that the Jewish fertility rate in the US is 1.5
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/us-jewish-numbers-no-longer-declining-but-demographic-worries-persist/2015/06/12/28333b6e-110d-11e5-a0fe-dccfea4653ee_story.html

Blogger clk September 30, 2016 8:31 PM  

1000 speakers ....Chippewa?

Blogger psychegram September 30, 2016 9:01 PM  

Commenters stating that the West needs to give up science, individualism, material superiority, etc. in order to regain its soul, get it precisely backwards. Those are core to the western mind. They've been perverted, but so has everything else. Christianity has emphasized the salvation of the individual through a personal relationship with God from the very beginning. Science as method is nothing more than the systematic application of the tools of rational thought developed by the Greek philosophers, and as such both deeply western, and foundational to our character and virtue. That it has become soulless and empty is not an inherent flaw, but a consequence of its having been sundered from faith. Our forefathers saw no contradiction between fides et ratio: to the contrary, the two were complementary and mutually supporting, rather than at war with one another. Don't let the manufactured discord over evolution fool you ... that is a game played by the fedora-tipping IFLscience crowd, and the cucked Judeo-Churchians. The Catholic Church has supported scientific research in a myriad of fields for several centuries, since long before the so-called Enlightenment, and continues to do so.

Anonymous Reader September 30, 2016 9:11 PM  

I agree socialism in all its aspects will lead to a mess that the alt-right hopes to avoid.

Socialism is a valid form of gov't only to children :). Here in Australia, I see high school students at the train stations giving out phamplets about socialism and the oppressive nature of a capitalist society.

Socialism is a pathway to a totalitarian system, controlling people's way of life and its economy. I don't know that there's truly a socialist society. Scandanavian countries can be considered socialist because of their generous welfare system, but other than that they're capitalist societies.

When I first came to Aus, many sectors of its economy were very regulated, maybe influenced by the concept of a centrally planned economy. We used to have only 4 banks, now since deregulated so have more now and regulations about import/export were reformed. We have enjoyed more economic prosperity since the markets had been freer than in any other time.

Of course, a nation has the right to decide who can enter their country or to close their border, for that matter. However, I DO NOT believe that non-white will not be able to embrace the values and ideals of the west nor assimilate. On the other hand, I also believe there are kinds of people who grew up in cultures that are so opposed to western values that letting them in the west will create havoc to the host country.

Aus has more non-white now than in any other time in its history, and yet our country is much better in many ways than ever. But then , I also think, if you have more Asians in Aus, then it could affect its being a western society. Maybe it terms of social values but maybe not in regards to its economy.

This kind of topic is hard!

Blogger Escoffier September 30, 2016 9:41 PM  

Boss: the utter lack of Ruth starts here. All it ever takes is a remnant.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 9:51 PM  

psychegram wrote:Commenters stating that the West needs to give up science, individualism, material superiority, etc. in order to regain its soul, get it precisely backwards. Those are core to the western mind. They've been perverted, but so has everything else. Christianity has emphasized the salvation of the individual through a personal relationship with God from the very beginning. Science as method is nothing more than the systematic application of the tools of rational thought developed by the Greek philosophers, and as such both deeply western, and foundational to our character and virtue. That it has become soulless and empty is not an inherent flaw, but a consequence of its having been sundered from faith. Our forefathers saw no contradiction between fides et ratio: to the contrary, the two were complementary and mutually supporting, rather than at war with one another. Don't let the manufactured discord over evolution fool you ... that is a game played by the fedora-tipping IFLscience crowd, and the cucked Judeo-Churchians. The Catholic Church has supported scientific research in a myriad of fields for several centuries, since long before the so-called Enlightenment, and continues to do so.

The Catholic Church isn't going to be strong in the West till it cleans house and its not been able to keep corruption inc heck since before the reformation

The problem now is that individuality and science as well as consumerism are used as surrogates for community

Both of the above have value but our communities, our customs and traditions the things that make us want to participate and society and the cultural spurs for family development outweigh them.

Human life is communal and while there is value in individuals as individuals, their relationship with their community is more important

A persons value in this world not the next is measured by those around him . Civilization going forward must take this into account

We give credit to amoral rootless assholes who should be scorned because "Individualism." No.

And yes in the past the Church filled that role, maybe it can again but if it is ever to do so, the values of rootedness and community must come first not those of consumerism and individualism

In short a young girl dancing around maypole or hanging Christmas lights or whatever dreaming of her husband to be to be is more important to Western Civilization than anything we have ever built . She is Western Civilization , the rest is just stuff



Blogger Escoffier September 30, 2016 9:52 PM  

Karl agreed on God,'s not dead. Not awful but quite treacly. If you haven't seen it I can't recommend Risen too highly. It really reminds one of the strangeness of the faith.

Blogger Escoffier September 30, 2016 9:55 PM  

ThePainTrain have you not noticed how many new faces around here say they've come because of Milo but stayed because of truth. Have a little faith man.

Blogger Stilicho September 30, 2016 10:08 PM  

AB: you're conflating teamwork and striving towards common goals with socialism. One is a method of cooperation and the other is a economic system developed in the 19th century by the usual (((suspects))). Blood,race, soil are powerful unifiers. Stop pissing in the punchbowl with Hitler love. Take off your self imposed blinders and join the movement that shares most of your goals.

Blogger ace September 30, 2016 10:10 PM  

I could hardly abandon science.

The issue is that perfectly good science is being discarded and the truth obscured for political reasons. People requesting that science be abandoned in favor of faith have essentially bought into the progressive myth--they're on the side of science. They absolutely aren't. They pervert it at every turn.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 10:35 PM  

Stilicho wrote:AB: you're conflating teamwork and striving towards common goals with socialism. One is a method of cooperation and the other is a economic system developed in the 19th century by the usual (((suspects))). Blood,race, soil are powerful unifiers. Stop pissing in the punchbowl with Hitler love. Take off your self imposed blinders and join the movement that shares most of your goals.

I think we are taking across one another. Let me clarify

This isn't about socioeconomic systems but how we measure value of people and how to get those people to want to be part of something and to stop willing our society to death.

Without organic community the West dies

Let me suggest this, if a magic comet flew over head seeding the West with magic spores that made it entirely White and Native American for some obscure reason, the West would still be dying because it has no sense of itself.

The don't need some jackass ordering daily lives we need customs which work for each community and in their own way are an iron law.

The current consumer society is the value of the caravan merchant spliced with the values of Liberal Talmudic Jews via mass media. Its a poor fit and its something we need to stop

However what we have now is also lousy as an example of the fuckheadedness The American Enterprise Institute

http://www.aei.org/publication/14-ways-to-help-the-unemployed-get-back-to-work/

Numbers #3
3. Offer UI-funded relocation subsidies for the long-term unemployed.

and #7. Increase high-skill immigration.

Both of these things do the exact opposite of what is needed by regular folks, erode communities

people need to be able to find work where they grew up and raise a family there and stay there is they wish. This iron law of custom builds culture

If trade and progress makes this impossible than maybe we need a word with the free traders and with the progress peddlers

The current "culture doesn't count, traditions are trash, you are a cog." is the local variation of magic soil. Its the problem.

And no Nazism isn't a solution, its just as stupid

Kaiser Wilhelm on Hitler

“There’s a man alone, without family, without children, without God.  Why should he be human?  Oh, without a doubt he’s sincere; but this very excessive sincerity keeps him apart, out of touch, with men and realities…He builds legions, but doesn’t build a nation.  A nation is created by families, a religion, traditions; it is made up out of the hearts of mothers, the wisdom of fathers, the joy and the exuberance of children…Over there, an all-swallowing State, disdainful of human dignities and the ancient structure of our race, sets itself up in place of everything else.  And the man who, alone, incorporates in himself this whole State, has neither a God to honor nor a dynasty to conserve nor a past to consult…
…This man could bring home victories to our people each year, without bringing them either glory or danger.  But of our Germany, which was a nation of poets and musicians, of artists and soldiers, he has made a nation of hysterics and hermits, engulfed in a mob and led by a thousand liars or fanatics.”

Blogger Demonic Professor El September 30, 2016 10:41 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Well, being a Jewish rare Jewish American who supports the Alt-Right I have been told numerous times my support is neither needed nor wanted. It doesn't mean I'll change, since I still support what is best for this country. (I grew up in a US that was 90% White and Christian.) But I won't pretend it isn't somewhat disheartening.

To be fair, there's Jonathan Safran Foer Jewish, then there's Mossad Jewish. I mean, Israel does have a giant wall against Palestine.

This Alt-Righter says you're cool. If anybody gives you crap, just remind them that IDF dudes did help South Afrikaners out a bit back in the day...

Blogger Demonic Professor El September 30, 2016 10:47 PM  

@120
You're hitting on it here. One cannot sacrifice individual rights for the community...yet we can't be so myopic in individuality to sacrifice the community. It's a delicate balance, for sure. Sway too far one way and you have Marxism or Shariaism. Too far the other way and we're disunited against any threat, large or small.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative September 30, 2016 10:58 PM  

@104,
@105,
@108,
@117

You should read From Plato to NATO by David Gress. It covers these issues. It also deals with the politicized narratives and counter-narratives about Western Civilization they teach in schools.

Here's a brief summary:

https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/g/gress-plato.html

Blogger Stilicho September 30, 2016 11:01 PM  

@ AB I agree with Willie. So drop the socialism. The community and culture you speak of isn't socialism. The Saxon is starting to awake, so it is time to be very clear about what we're fighting for and in in simple, straightforward, powerful terms. Eliminate the detritus of the past and focus on the future.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative September 30, 2016 11:02 PM  

The book I mentioned doesn't deal with HBD issues, just the cultural roots of Western Civ. We really can't abandon our roots and expect our civilization to keep working.

Blogger Demonic Professor El September 30, 2016 11:07 PM  

ON Ruthlessness: Haha, I've gotten many of those strange looks from family and friends when I say the only solution for the Moosie problem is the old Roman way - you know, slavery and breeding the conquered women. Well, it'll work.

On the "Suicide of the West": One aspect is factional. Many government agencies are either Marxist, SJW, or all out anti-West. When they engage in lawfare or actual persecution - along with all the federal spooks out there - it's hard to actually resist in a legal fashion. It's despair for many. Just look at the current DOJ going after people for cutting trees on their own land or suing Peter Thiel for supporting Trump.

Fear and despair. Fear we won't unite, despair that the "Elites" have already won.

All that means is if (when?) the axe falls, it will be the bloodier for it.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 11:11 PM  

Demonic Professor El wrote:@120

You're hitting on it here. One cannot sacrifice individual rights for the community...yet we can't be so myopic in individuality to sacrifice the community. It's a delicate balance, for sure. Sway too far one way and you have Marxism or Shariaism. Too far the other way and we're disunited against any threat, large or small.


I agree wholeheartedly. For most people community is enough for them and most of the common clay of White people aren't all that individualistic. They need a place where they don't have to be and aren't expected to pretend to be.

No person in a homogeneous community has ever suffered for being pleasantly conformist and in the West most times suffered very little for being a little eccentric as long as they are well regarded That state of conformity is what most people want and need.

For the rest, cities.

They need an economy and culture that allows it and people who screw it up with immigrant dumping or with outsourcing or anything else in the globalists project book need to be stopped. That is a main job of the state

An anecdote about a family I know . One branch spread out through the US and moved the West around a lot

Another went to New Jersey and stayed

The move around branch is all but gone, with three children all older (60's) now producing only two children between them , none of those with any grandchildren. An average of .7 children

The other may have some Goombas but they have a lot of them and are pretty decent with 3 kids and 3 grandkids per each of those.

This problem is a good metaphor for a good chunk of what ails men of the West. Lack of roots and the value of family.

Fix that, kick out the foreigners and we will be fine if so long as we realize the troubles that are coming and prepare but that is anther thing.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 30, 2016 11:21 PM  

Stilicho wrote:@ AB I agree with Willie. So drop the socialism. The community and culture you speak of isn't socialism. The Saxon is starting to awake, so it is time to be very clear about what we're fighting for and in in simple, straightforward, powerful terms. Eliminate the detritus of the past and focus on the future.

Driving out the foreigners won't save the Saxon, only buy time

Per counter example, Japan is basically homogeneous and its dying of economic malaise and cultural issues.

Anyway I'm an economic nationalist not a socialist.

Society should be focused on people not The State as in Socialist way or on commerce. Commerce is a beneficial side effect not the goal of a society

To my way of thinking if The State has to say "no foreign steel" to protect communities it should

If it need to regulate or redistribute wealth because automation wiped out whole industries, it should

This doesn't mean its need to control whole segments of the economy or own everything, only to work in the national interest as best as understood

This also means no Cultural Marxism of course but economic systems are secondary to survival of the people and culture.

Baring collapse automation isn't going away and someone is going to have to decide whether self driving trucks or home gene engineering kits or robots or whatever are in the national interest

Better we do this than them.

Blogger Stilicho September 30, 2016 11:23 PM  

True.

Blogger Demonic Professor El September 30, 2016 11:27 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:The move around branch is all but gone, with three children all older (60's) now producing only two children between them , none of those with any grandchildren. An average of .7 children

That's nuts! It makes sense in the "economic anxiety" and global cucking sense though.

My families (grandparents, great aunts/uncles) moved around a bit, but with the objective of setting roots. And starting families along the way. That was back in the 1940s, however. The migration aspect probably had to do with WW2 when I think about it (g-ma from Europe, veterans, etc.).

The Lefties like to use "nudge" so I'll say "nudged rootlessness" here for this phenomenon.

And yea to the conformist vs. weirdo/eccentric thing in older communities. From what I gather it had to do with respecting boundaries and impositions. The neighbor could be flaming weird gay, but as long as he kept to himself and didn't force cake-baking, then whatever.

Hell, I knew some of the most bubba redneck dudes, who turned out to be gay...nobody cared cause they didn't flaunt it, kept it to themselves. It was odd, sure, but blasting watermelons with shotguns bridges a lot of gaps.

SIDENOTE on Assimilation: I grew up in a pretty small town, mostly white, some Natives, but about 90% white. There were two Arab families - one Christian and end of story there. Another family moved to the US and were "Muslim"...until the son became a flannel-wearing good ol' boy who fished and hunted, chewed Grizzly, and worked on his Ford Ranger. And made fun of Arabs. And loved pulled pork. He was a weird guy, but fun.

Blogger Stilicho September 30, 2016 11:40 PM  

True.

Blogger Stilicho September 30, 2016 11:45 PM  

We need that time to return to our culture. Our parents sold it for a mess of pottage, but we don't recognize that transaction because no one can sell another's soul.

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress October 01, 2016 12:03 AM  

Just to set the record straight, Irish, Italians, Germans and even Swedes were not considered White BY ENGLISHMEN because ENGLISHMEN had, actually, famously, pigment-free WHITE SKIN.

Not callow. Not pink. Not tan.

WHITE.

My sainted mother had such a complexion. Sunshine turned her skin red and straight to ash.

So no need for butthurt, fellow swarthies. Porcelain White skin was a matter of national pride for the Anglo-Saxons and shame on you for begrudging it them.

Hell, I don't have "White" skin but wish I did.

London Fog Rape!

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 01, 2016 12:42 AM  

@138: My father had that white skin. He couldn't tan a bit. Yes, there's a lot of Englishmen in our woodpile.

Anonymous Discard October 01, 2016 12:47 AM  

131. Demonic professor El: We do not want to breed with the Moosie women. We don't want them to breed at all in our countries. Breed the 15 year old daughters of SJWs. Put those White wombs to work.

Anonymous Discard October 01, 2016 12:51 AM  

138. Why don't I ever see these WHITE Englishmen? Hold the nonsense.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 01, 2016 1:12 AM  

Discard wrote:138. Why don't I ever see these WHITE Englishmen? Hold the nonsense.

I suspect that even in England it's rare, but it's real.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 01, 2016 1:26 AM  

Darwin is a Harsh Mistress wrote:Not callow. Not pink. Not tan.

WHITE.

Have you ever seen an Irishman?

The Blue-white Anglo skin is a holdover from the Celtic tribes of Britain, like the Cornubii, Cateluvani, Pretani, etc., which genetic trait they shared with the Irish. Not all Irish, as there was a significant influx of Celto-Iberians from Galicia in Neolithic or Bronze age times, which brought a Mediterranean noble class and, many believe, Druidism and the Gaelic language.

Still, under whatever quality of skin tone you choose to use, the Irish qualify just as much as the English.

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress October 01, 2016 1:37 AM  

#142: lulz PLYMOUTH BAY RAPE!

I picked up a bit of color from my old man, whose family came from somewhere between Samogitia and Prussian Danzig. He had sky blue eyes, straw blond hair and the ability to take the slightest, ever so endarkened suntan. I always said dad married up. ;-)

But seriously, it's a rare and beautiful thing, true White skin. I'm sorry to see it go, as I remember quite a lot of it from my boyhood, in the southern tier of Greater Yankeedom.

How come the diversity trolls never concern over the diversity of so-called "Whites"? I know, it's a rhetorical question in the old popular meaning. We all know the answer.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 01, 2016 1:38 AM  

Discard wrote:We do not want to breed with the Moosie women. We don't want them to breed at all in our countries. Breed the 15 year old daughters of SJWs. Put those White wombs to work.

I didn't say you don't get to pick. Or have to MARRY them. Just make some white babies. Get those genes working where they need to.

You know, colonization. ;)

That's just one way, and a little tongue in cheek. Though it would be a more permanent solution than other methods. And more fun!

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress October 01, 2016 1:43 AM  

#143 Snidely Whiplash

As a native of South Philadelphia, courtesy of Uncle Sam and thus something of a transient, I do know quite a lot about the Irish, who are legion here. Lace Curtain Irish. Shanty Irish, Black Irish, Red-Headed Irish, Irish Illegal Aliens, Drunken Irish, Christmas and Easter Irish, Anglophile Irish and of course Scotch-Irish.

Yes, many of them share the percelain complexion of their betters and many of their women are beauties in their own right. But I tell you God's Own Truth, they are a riotous, ungovernable, XXXX 90 proof walking rebellion.

I ought to know. I married one of 'em.

Anonymous SciVo October 01, 2016 2:15 AM  

Sillon Bono wrote:I have said it many times here, this doesn't end well, and the elites have forgotten that when the time comes to fight the first and the last ones to die are the traitors.

Damn straight. First to be assassinated, last to be executed.

DrAndroSF wrote:@7. An honest information question. Since you quoted his phrase "non-White West," can you tell me what it means. To me the two part of the phrase are exclusionary. Am I missing a nuance?

Not him, but that looks like the whole point of the whole quote:

"In any non-white West, some form of socialism may be the best case scenario. It is more likely that there won't be an economic system that is recognizable as a coherent Western system of any kind."

In my words, thanks to the Spanish Empire, there are many countries that are literally west and even have Christianity (even Catholicism), and are still crap -- because they're non-white and are not even capable of maintaining Western Civ, let alone creating it.

M Cephas wrote:The very existence of "white" as a tribe makes the propositionals' point for tbem. Somehow whites have become the inheritors of American values regardless of their ethnic origin or personal beliefs.

They are capable of being American through the power of magic dirt, but not others for whatever reason.


Two words: Hajnal line.

That was a complete refutation. Moving on to a different subject, you need to understand that our leaders are midwits. They actively deny that there is a real trust difference or IQ difference between people from different places, to the point of actually doing business in Turkey. So stupid; after building up their cellular system, their courts will just say that they don't owe you any money, since the orders-of-magnitude dilution of shareholding was "legal".

And if I were them, I would totally be down with that plan. Eff you suckers. Me and mine before you and yours.

So even after all is said and done, I doubt that the white SJWs will ever comprehend that there are high-IQ mostly-whites (such as myself) that love Western Civ, and are willing to use any ruthless means necessary to defend it (even over its objections).

Maybe the semites will recognize it. That would make things interesting, if they try to communicate this new understanding amongst themselves (of the danger of mixing other races with whites), without propagating it too far.

But no, even the Ashkenazis are probably incapable. It would require non-solipsism and race realism. It isn't about them and it makes whites look good. Cannot compute!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 01, 2016 2:39 AM  

Darwin is a Harsh Mistress wrote:Yes, many of them share the porcelain complexion of their betters and many of their women are beauties in their own right. But I tell you God's Own Truth, they are a riotous, ungovernable, XXXX 90 proof walking rebellion.

"riotous, ungovernable, XXXX 90 proof walking rebellion."
Not only have I no argument, I'm an example, a descendant of men sentenced to death in absentia by the British Crown for rebellion.

These are, in fact, the qualities I most admire in the American character, due in no small part to our Gaelic heritage.

Anonymous EZ Pack Single Serve of Deplorable Spartacus October 01, 2016 2:55 AM  

It doesn't have a title. "Rapefugee Anthem"?

https://8ch.net/file_store/724f20474dcd98b87487bf3175ca827c2f3f69f8b4db25ba6de7f0a402c4ab82.webm

(chorus)
For the sake of Allah
we will march to the gates
of the paradise
where (are) our maidens await

We are men that love death
just as you love your life
We are the soldiers that fight
in the day and the night


Going forth
preparing to roar
are the brothers of light
with Kuffar in sight

Their ranks are many
and weapons are heavy
but the soldiers of Allah
are more than ready

Defending the pride
of our sisters who have cried
for fearing none
but the Almighty as one

their voices motivated
the men who migrated
to fulfill that duty
of making God’s word the greatest

Oh my brothers
jihad is the way
to bring back the honor
of our glorious days

the promise of Allah
will always remain
that fighting for his sake
is the ultimate gain

(and) Now the time has come
for the battles to be won
Shahadah on our tongues
as our hearts beat as one

The Sunnah is alive
Khilafah on the rise
The flag of Tawheed
shining bright before our eyes

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 01, 2016 3:03 AM  

Demonic Professor El wrote:I didn't say you don't get to pick. Or have to MARRY them. Just make some white babies. Get those genes working where they need to.

You know, colonization. ;)

We can do a lot better today than even 50 years ago.  We can put 100% White embryos into whatever wombs will take them.  We can have the cousin-marrying-retarded muzzie women birth 125+ IQ White babies.  We have the arms, all it takes is the will.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 01, 2016 3:11 AM  

Silver Josh wrote:will bear Children of Color.

"Children of Color", capitalised nonetheless, such reverence for the extinction of other's offspring. No sane person would ever speak like that. Gentleman, you have just witnessed the freak Silver Josh scrape the bottom of the barrel of self-loathing. May god have mercy on its black, withered soul.

Anonymous Discard October 01, 2016 3:28 AM  

The whitest person I ever saw was a Sephardic Jew with orange hair. Not really white, of course, as she lived in SoCal and was usually red from the sun. I imagine her butt was pretty white, though.

Anonymous SciVo October 01, 2016 4:03 AM  

cheddarman wrote:If the massive credit bubbles the globalists have blow pop, that will wake people up pretty quickly.

But unpredictably. Ideally, we would actually have red-pilling structures in place.

Anonymous Anonymous October 01, 2016 4:08 AM  

Silver Josh is Tiny Duck, who is a literal autist living in Birmingham, AL. He was outed by red-headed Chuck the Olive Garden waiter way, waaaay back when Chuck had his own proto-alt-right blog (whatever happened to that guy?) The Duck's similar to Chris-Chan, albeit instead of being obsessed with toys and Sonic the Hedgehog, he's all about "People of Color" and posting drive-by Nig-gloating on every alt-right site he can reach. And he has plenty of time to do so, being permanently unemployed and living at home.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 01, 2016 4:29 AM  

BTW, welfare recipient damo retardo is lurking here between bouts of not writing and kiddy fiddling, calling for Tolkien estate to sue "people it requires testicles to name"

link to dreary tweet subsidised by UK taxpayers money

Blogger Abyssus Invocat October 01, 2016 5:11 AM  

"They believe, erroneously, that orcs and goblins are not only no different under the skin, but also want to be men just like them. But the truth is, they don't. Orcs and goblins want to continue to be exactly what they are, they simply want to pillage and rule in the West in exactly the same manner they do elsewhere.". That right there is the core of it. That observation is so bleeding obvious that we can longer say tha people who believe otherwise are merely wrong. Stupidity and evil are the only possibilities.

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress October 01, 2016 8:52 AM  

#148 Snidely Whiplash

"Not only have I no argument, I'm an example, a descendant of men sentenced to death in absentia by the British Crown for rebellion.

These are, in fact, the qualities I most admire in the American character, due in no small part to our Gaelic heritage."

Abso-[all sex is rape]ing-lutely!

My wife, a common cross of recovering German/Irish Catholic raised in Pennsyltucky, heard me belly laugh all the way upstairs ten years ago, as I read Fischer's chapter on the Scotch-Irish.

"Just as frequently, a funeral became part of the Borderer's wedding celebration" etc.

I laughed because it was not only true it was demonstrated every day of my life. It is no easy task, civilizing savage brutes, truly the White Man's Burden /sarc

There's another way to see this, germane to Googles and Eskimos and others: the Irish took care of their own problems, just as the English did before them. The French took care of their own problems. The Poles took care of their own problems. (The Germans were usually the problem.)

The Googles benefitted from an act of charity by Englishmen, who slaughtered each other over the Google cause, in an act of rabbity manipulation worthy of Bugs Bunny.

Same with the Eskimo and their goading of England into fighting their enemy for them, as though the legend of Esau and Jacob is playing out before our eyes, r/K Style.

Anyway, the point is, Whites figured out how to resolve their own intra-European problems to the improvement of the breeds involved. Until recently, that is, when our own tribal differences have been denied and suppressed to facilitate our newly assigned role as global bete noire.

Blogger Robert Coble October 01, 2016 8:58 AM  

Obama moves toward institutionalizing Middle Easterners and North Africans as another of the ever-expanding "special" classes in America:

White House wants to add new racial category

Once designated as a "special victims" class, all of the power of the Federal government can be unleashed against anyone who dares to speak ANYTHING against them. Thier special privileges will include:

• Enforcing the Voting Rights Act and drawing congressional and state legislative district boundaries;

• Establishing federal affirmative action plans and evaluating claims of employment discrimination in employment in the private sector;

• Monitoring discrimination in housing, mortgage lending and credit;

• Enforcing school desegregation policies; and

• Helping minority-owned small businesses get federal grants and loans.

Is it possible that this "racial" change in classification will cause members of these groups to "assimilate" and love the Magic Dirt(tm)?

How much more damage can this man unleash on America before we are rid of him?

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 01, 2016 12:59 PM  

BGKB wrote:Its a good thing someone recently posted a link showing moslems have even worse night vision that groids.
That might explain why US groids are afraid of wilderness.  No lights.

Anonymous Discard October 01, 2016 3:15 PM  

159. Robert Cole: Excellent. Let them enjoy and benefit from their Otherhood. Makes it easier for us to sort things out.

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