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Friday, September 30, 2016

Why Trump passed up the kill shots

Judgybitch explains how Donald Trump avoided the minefield of defeating Hillary Clinton in the first presidential debate:
He understands he can’t win a fight with a woman, and certainly not with a woman who signals her femininity as strongly as Clinton did last night. Trump has some massive strikes left in his arsenal. Benghazi. The Clinton Foundation. Her private server. Immigration. The Second Amendment. Death Taxes. Bill’s rape roster. Big strikes. If and when he pulls them, he is risking the paradox of fighting with women. Nailing her to the wall can backfire on him badly, because many people simply cannot stomach seeing a woman take a massive punch from a man. No matter how much she begs for it. No matter how justified. For many people, you simply don’t hit women.

Trump is walking a fine line, and he is taking his cues, it appears, from Hillary, which is the smart thing to do. He stood on the debate stage, and let her walk up to him. He’s the alpha, she’s the supplicant. That was perfect. He is very gently laying on a spanking, but only with her consent, and again, that’s exactly how you do it. I’m not an advocate of spanking children ever, but grown women are another story altogether. She may not know she needs it, but she probably does.

As long as Hillary never seems staggered by Trump’s blows, he can hit her. The minute the public perceives that he is actually hurting her, he loses. She gains the pity vote. Trump looks like a bully. A few whiny feminists insist he is a bully, because anyone who disagrees with a woman is a bully, period. But average people are watching to see if Trump can constrain himself and not lose it and just beat the crap out of her. If Trump were up against Bernie Sanders, it would be no holds barred, but he can’t do that with Hillary.

Trump won, because he spanked Hillary just enough to let her know her place, but not so hard he triggered the latent white knight in undecided viewers.
As irritating as this is, Judgybitch is probably right to advise restraint. While most of the readers here would like to see Trump unleash on Clinton and trigger her into collapsing in convulsions on stage, the fact is any such action might well render him unelectable in the eyes of most women and more than a few men.

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167 Comments:

Blogger Derek Kite September 30, 2016 10:40 AM  

I think this is the conventional wisdom. Whether it is right or not, who knows.

Trump won the first half hour. Only political junkies watch a 90 minute debate. People tuned in to see what they both looked like, and Trump was at his best.

I compare Hillary in this debate to Lance Armstrong in his second to last win. He almost collapsed and the next day came out strong.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 30, 2016 10:42 AM  

Take it to the point where people are openly laughing at and mocking Hillary and her clique. Then the social respectability factor goes to Trump and Trumpenslide when the office mean girls clique is no longer respected.

Maybe Scott Adams can lend a hand with how to handle the office harpies/enforcers.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I September 30, 2016 10:42 AM  

At this point Trump has to maintain his presidential appearance and it is a walk off victory. Hillary has already alienated a large chunk of her democratic base. I read the other day that the early black vote in Florida is running 20 points under the usual amount.

The last time I voted Republican for president was 1984, but after her "basket of deplorables" remark, there was no way in hell I was going to let the SJWs and dindus send that criminal bitch and her rapist husband back to the White House.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 30, 2016 10:43 AM  

As I stated in the post debate post, I believe he is slow rolling this. He told her, when you attacked him in regard to women, that he could say something that would hurt her family, but restrained.

She has been warned.

You let her escalate it. Then you can respond with some force. The more she escalates, the more he can, just not too much.

The script is set to castigate him for being a mean mean meanie woman bully.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 10:43 AM  

There's no way to spin the debate as a positive for Trump. He missed multiple opportunities to hit Hillary on benghazi, emails, Clinton foundation, race relations, etc.

Anonymous Roundtine September 30, 2016 10:44 AM  

It still doesn't explain why he didn't deflect bad topics such as his initial statement on the Iraq War in 2002, by saying Hillary voted for it, then repeated the mistake in Libya, Egypt and Syria. Or why he doesn't say an issue such as birthism is in the past, and talk about how he wants to bring jobs back to America. At least half of Hillary's attacks were weak personal attacks that could be brushed off. It doesn't take any planning or preparation to remember: always bring it back to the American people and America first. His debate prep team have said as much in public, they have told him this and he didn't listen.

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 10:48 AM  

If he had a short, well constructed, well rehearsed, concise, qualifying preamble to his attacks there might not be the backlash many people expect.

Blogger Lazarus September 30, 2016 10:50 AM  

Another reason women should not be allowed in politics.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric September 30, 2016 10:50 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:There's no way to spin the debate as a positive for Trump. He missed multiple opportunities to hit Hillary on benghazi, emails, Clinton foundation, race relations, etc.
Did you even read the article? Women like Hillary have mastered the art of demanding the best of both worlds. I doubt she really believes any of the feminist claptrap she says, but she's happy to exploit it. Treat me the same as you would a man! she'll crow, but as soon as you do, she'll exploit her femininity (such as it is) to make of herself a martyr.

Trump is hammering her in alternate venues, like Twitter, where he brings up all of those things (and more; the latest is marshalling Bill's sexual victims) but in the debates, he needs to worry about the perception of a populace that's still pretty cucky.

Anonymous Andrew September 30, 2016 10:50 AM  

Scott Adams shares a very similar view of Trump's performance; it may not have been poor prep after all:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151007796236/i-score-the-first-debate

Blogger VD September 30, 2016 10:53 AM  

There's no way to spin the debate as a positive for Trump. He missed multiple opportunities to hit Hillary on benghazi, emails, Clinton foundation, race relations, etc.

There are two possibilities. One is that Trump just couldn't figure out how to attack Hillary on multiple openings that he was handed. The other is that he bypassed them on purpose, for better or for worse.

Which do you really think is more likely? Especially considering that Trump is, we are told, a Master Persuader.

I'm not saying the debate was a masterful performance, but no one passes up that many obvious openings unintentionally.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 30, 2016 10:54 AM  

While most of the readers here would like to see Trump unleash on Clinton and trigger her into collapsing in convulsions on stage, the fact is any such action might well render him unelectable in the eyes of most women and more than a few men.

Someone explain to me again why women are allowed to vote at all?

Blogger Salt September 30, 2016 10:54 AM  

The debate was direct confrontation. The rallies, they're indirect and he can unleash indirect broadsides. Virtually every punch he could land everyone knows about. Just follow social media and it's all out there.

How could anyone not see Chelsea sitting next to Bill and not snicker a bit, knowing her striking resemblance to Webster Hubble, as Hillary unloaded on Trump and women at the end.

I suspect that Hillary, at some point, will cross that line into the octagon. Trump's withholding his shots are a carrot she cannot refuse. He's emboldening her to take it.

Blogger Sevron September 30, 2016 10:54 AM  

I think both perspectives are right- Trump missed a lot of good opportunities to land some huts that could have helped, and he needs to not go full HAM on Clinton lest he appear to be a bully. It's a damn difficult thing to do in real time in front of a hostile moderator. Hopefully Trump walks the wire better next time.

Anonymous Ryan ATL September 30, 2016 10:56 AM  

off topic, but think ilk/vd might find interesting: http://freebeacon.com/columns/the-politics-of-dissociation/

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 30, 2016 10:58 AM  

Trump is hammering her in alternate venues, like Twitter, where he brings up all of those things (and more; the latest is marshalling Bill's sexual victims) but in the debates, he needs to worry about the perception of a populace that's still pretty cucky.

Different versions of the message for different audiences.
People who follow Trump on Twitter are probably more aware of the many facts of the Clinton crime family, than people who randomly click their TV on during a debate.

Think in terms of "political junkie" vs. "soccer mommy who just got back from picking up her daughter at ballet practice".

The goal is not to crush Hillary Rodan Robot Shimmy on national TV. The goal is to win the election.

Time for her to implode later, perhaps.

Blogger Johnny September 30, 2016 10:59 AM  

Something that often irritates me is the lack of clarity between winning the debate and winning the argument. In that regard Hillary is pushing things that are not actually popular, and I suspect that is why Trump has not taken a hit in the polls. (except for the fake ones)

Trump has a lot of us locked up tight owing more to the other side than anything else. No need any more to appeal to the Trump supporters. I suspect his problem is that he wants to slug it out, but that risks losing the people who find him scary. So... he has to appear as a moderate and he is not good at it.

Blogger Mountain Man September 30, 2016 11:01 AM  

Lame Cherry has a great analysis on this topic
See here:
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2016/09/a-trump-with-thor-lightning-bolts.html

Blogger Iron Spartan September 30, 2016 11:02 AM  

This wasn't the last debate. Trump understands the perils of peaking too soon. I expect him to win the next debate and for his performance to improve until the last debate he wins in a landslide.

I would also expect him to have a electronic warfare specialist looking into filling Hillary's earpiece with painfully loud and high pitched feedback.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 11:03 AM  

There are two possibilities. One is that Trump just couldn't figure out how to attack Hillary on multiple openings that he was handed. The other is that he bypassed them on purpose, for better or for worse.

Which do you really think is more likely? Especially considering that Trump is, we are told, a Master Persuader.


Mostly option one with the addition that he got bored and distracted after the first half hour of the debate. Plus he didn't do enough debate prep.

Trump goes off script a lot. That's what happened in the debate.

Blogger Mountain Man September 30, 2016 11:05 AM  

One thing that I found disturbing was his agreement with TheCunt about the need for people on the Terrorist Watch List to have their rights to firearms taken away from them. No right to representation, no right to counsel to argue your case.. just a whimsical decision within the orifice of DHS and voila your rights have been rescinded.
The whole Terrorist Watch List program is a Kafkaesque nightmare.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 11:06 AM  

One thing that I found disturbing was his agreement with TheCunt about the need for people on the Terrorist Watch List to have their rights to firearms taken away from them. No right to representation, no right to counsel to argue your case.. just a whimsical decision within the orifice of DHS and voila your rights have been rescinded.

Trump has had that position since last November or December.

Anonymous Andrew E. September 30, 2016 11:07 AM  

From what I can tell it seems Trump had a few issues-based points he wanted to get across in the debate and he got those out in the first 30 minutes but his overriding concern in his mind was to control his visuals (ie. none of the jerk-offy faces he would make in the primary debates when the cucks were constantly slinging garbage at him). He was concerned with people approving of him if, say, they were to watch the debate with the sound off.

So he wasn't intentionally passing up kill shots, rather his mind was singularly focused on controlling the visuals (once he had made his intended points early on).

He probably will need and want to move to a different focus/strategy for the next debate.

Anonymous Roundtine September 30, 2016 11:08 AM  

Trump goes off script a lot. That's what happened in the debate.

Trump doesn't understand it's not about Trump. He's a flawed vessel. If Clinton/media get him talking about himself, they win. If he talks about American and the American people, he wins. Maybe the Alt-Right should launch a hashtag campaign to get Trump on message.

Blogger Mountain Man September 30, 2016 11:09 AM  

"Trump has had that position since last November or December."

It doesn't make it any less troubling.

Anonymous Roundtine September 30, 2016 11:09 AM  

One thing that I found disturbing was his agreement with TheCunt about the need for people on the Terrorist Watch List to have their rights to firearms taken away from them. No right to representation, no right to counsel to argue your case.. just a whimsical decision within the orifice of DHS and voila your rights have been rescinded.

Trump is taking whatever position is hardest on terrorism. Actual policy is made after the election.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 30, 2016 11:10 AM  

At some point, I think Trump needs to hit Hillary hard - as a setup for hitting her again when she whines about it. "You can't hit me because I'm a girl," will NOT work against ISIS, the Chinese, or Putin.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 11:11 AM  

Trump doesn't understand it's not about Trump. He's a flawed vessel. If Clinton/media get him talking about himself, they win.

Exactly.

Anonymous Andrew E. September 30, 2016 11:12 AM  

No right to representation, no right to counsel to argue your case.. just a whimsical decision within the orifice of DHS and voila your rights have been rescinded.

We already went through this months ago. Trump issued a statement saying he will not deprive citizens of due process. Implying a change to the way the no-fly list works.

Blogger Student in Blue September 30, 2016 11:15 AM  

@Josh
Trump goes off script a lot. That's what happened in the debate.

Someone going off script doesn't mean that they're unable to figure out how to attack someone on multiple openings.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric September 30, 2016 11:16 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:At some point, I think Trump needs to hit Hillary hard - as a setup for hitting her again when she whines about it. "You can't hit me because I'm a girl," will NOT work against ISIS, the Chinese, or Putin.
That's beside the point. No, of course, ISIS, Putin or the Chinese won't do any of those things.

I'd like to not find that out first-hand because she's actually in the White House again.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice September 30, 2016 11:16 AM  

Good example of a man who overreacted is Rick Lazio in his debate with Hillary. He made the mistake of treating her like a fellow candidate, and not like a woman. Hillary certainly knows how to play the gender card, and she won't hesitate.

Trump needs to take the high road, treat Hillary's attacks like the work of a child. Think iron fist in a velvet glove.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 11:19 AM  

Someone going off script doesn't mean that they're unable to figure out how to attack someone on multiple openings.

What I meant was they had prepped attacks for all of those things and he forgot to deploy them. That's what his advisors said.

To paraphrase what some people have said, Clinton got into his OODA loop. He got flustered and knocked off his game.

Anonymous David James September 30, 2016 11:21 AM  

"Nailing her to the wall can backfire on him badly, because many people simply cannot stomach seeing a woman take a massive punch from a man. No matter how much she begs for it. No matter how justified. For many people, you simply don’t hit women."

See, this is why women don't belong in political office. In fact, they don't belong in any position of authority over men.

Women are by nature subordinate to men. This is how God intended it. Period. That so many people in our culture still don't get it is astonishing and pathetic, as is the fact that so many men in America seem to allow women to behave badly without consequences.

So-called "gender equality" did nothing but drive a wedge between the sexes, and now a male political candidate has to pull his punches in order to uphold this fiction that women are the equal of men. Idiotic.

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 11:22 AM  

Something Trump needs to repeat as often as possible: "Hillary thinks you're stupid. I think you're smart."

Blogger Johnny September 30, 2016 11:22 AM  

Something that I find irritating is that it would be so easy for Trump to have a better argument defending his company. It's a great company doesn't get it.

Plus it would be easy to have a better argument. Count the number of employees and rattle off how many people have employment because of his business. Plus summ up the yearly salary expense and relate that also. Say, every year I pay [whatever] to [however many] employees. It is the obvious comeback to Hillary's talk about her father. He is still a good guy, so no personal attack, but hey, he did not offer employment to a thousand people.

It is a lame way to think about business but it is the way a lot of people think.

Blogger Mountain Man September 30, 2016 11:22 AM  

@34

Well said !

Anonymous mature craig September 30, 2016 11:23 AM  

I think both of them benefit from going off script it humanizes them and connects them with voters more

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 30, 2016 11:23 AM  

Iron Spartan wrote:I would also expect him to have a electronic warfare specialist looking into filling Hillary's earpiece with painfully loud and high pitched feedback.
Better still would be to intercept Hil's earpiece audio, and have a live video stream with that as the main soundtrack and Hil's mic below it.

Once she was revealed as a puppet, it would be all over for her.

Blogger Nate September 30, 2016 11:23 AM  

and this dichotomy is precisely why women shouldn't be allowed to run for office.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 11:24 AM  

Anonymousconservative.com has the Hillary Kryptonite Deathblow on his blog today. Getting a child rapist off on a technicality cannot be spun positively.

Sooner or later this will be in the news cycle and it will gut any latent energy Democrats required to get their base off the couch and to the polls.

Dems will discover, by the millions, that going to vote is just too bothersome this time.

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Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 30, 2016 11:25 AM  

Biblically, one should never interrupt God when He is in the middle of cursing one's enemy.

Biologically, there are three debates scheduled and Trump should carry her for the first two so that she has no pretext to cancel.

Subjectively, he's now reset everyone's palette so that they can savor again. Has Trump punched himself out? Will he lay down for Hillarombie?? Stay tuned for next week's episode!

We don't need no Clinton zombie
Use her drugs to raise Harambe
Huma'beddin tried to lick
Fantastic gorilla dick

Blogger dc.sunsets September 30, 2016 11:25 AM  

and this dichotomy is precisely why women shouldn't be allowed to run for office.

Not even head dog catcher.

Anonymous Andrew E. September 30, 2016 11:27 AM  

Something Trump needs to repeat as often as possible: "Hillary thinks you're stupid. I think you're smart."

That's a great line. And it fits perfectly with Trump's 4th grade-level speaking he uses to reach the entire bell curve.

Anonymous johnc September 30, 2016 11:29 AM  

There's definitely no way he could get up there and treat Hillary the way he treated Jeb! in the debates. I'm glad he didn't step in that pile of poo.

There really is no good way for Trump to "win" these debates. As long as Hillary doesn't present any obvious health issues while on stage, she'll be the winner of any debate.

All Trump needs to do is show that his opponent's theme of this campaign is to maintain course and keep doing what we've been doing, and his own theme is that we need to make big changes in important areas. That is a winning message.

Blogger ThirdMonkey September 30, 2016 11:30 AM  

Several years ago, I took part in a criminal trial in which a man buttstroked two people with his shotgun. The prosecution called their witnesses, and he asked the standard boilerplate questions on cross-examination. Pretty unimpressive. Then the prosecution called their last witness, the female victim. She was sweet, feminine, country girl,the kind everyone in high school had a crush on. The kind you brought home to your momma. Right before she took the stand, the defense attorney turned around to the defendant's family and said, "I'm gonna tear this bitch up." And he did. He did everything but accuse her of raping the defendant, and by the time her cross-examination was done, she had buried her face in both her hands, weeping.

The defense called no witnesses. It went to the jury, and in less than 30 minutes, came back with a Not Guilty verdict.

Trump wins by losing every round but the last one. I think the electorate are tired of women hiding behind their femininity, especially when it's a pantsuit-wearing nasty cunt who has made it her life's work working over the women on Bill's rape roster.

Blogger Tizona del Cid September 30, 2016 11:38 AM  

Interesting. I've never thought of it from this angle before. I would definitely tend to agree, though.

Had this election taken place 4+ years ago, back when I was deeply entrenched in my gammaness and my white knighting ways, I would have probably looked upon Trump with all the falsely righteous horror and indignation that only a white knight can summon, had he "hurt" a woman like that. Yea, even one as rotten as Hillary. I've certainly changed my tune now, but I will admit that much of my past at least.

Also, I would definitely tend to agree with Vox when he points out Trump most likely bypassed the attack openings completely on purpose, given that he is the Master Manipulator. Now that this has been pointed out to me, I'm very curious to see what Trump's long term strategy is. I get the feeling it is going to look all fumblybumbly and ill-rehearsed until he lays down his master stroke, at which point the world will be in awe at his mastery of the Great Game.

Thank you, Lord Vox, for opening my eyes and reigniting the spark of hope within my breast for a positive outcome from this mess we call an election.

Anonymous mature craig September 30, 2016 11:40 AM  

Trump understands things perfectly he knows exactly what he has to do. Luckily for Hillary he is a nice guy.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 30, 2016 11:42 AM  

We need Hillary Rodan Robot to limp gamely on to the 2nd and 3rd debates. We need her to continue to be the DNCe's candidate that cannot be replaced because she's juuuusst barely able to function. We don't need her to be replaced with Bernie, we need her to be croaking out her scripted lines.

And lose the election. Soundly. Convincingly. Decisively.

Then, and only then, can the words be spoken: Special Prosecutor to investigate breaches in National Security.

No dramatic moment on the stage. No martyrdom. Just the slow, steady, unrelenting, unstoppable grind of the millstone of justice. "What did you know and when did you know it?" .

Preferably using some of the same questions that Hillary will remember from when she was part of Watergate. That would be good.

That would be Lolz.

TRUMP 2016 for the LOLZ!

Blogger pyrrhus September 30, 2016 11:45 AM  

Kerry just signed the UN Gun Ban Treaty....Trump MUST go after this sitting duck, and clarify himself very strongly as pro-gun...

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 30, 2016 11:45 AM  

Judge Bitchy is correct.

I saw some of the footage from Hillary's debates when she was first running for the Senate in New York.

Her GOP opponent hit her hard on everything the Clinton administration had done and this was back in 2000 when it was all still fresh in everyone's minds.

And he was the one that ended up looking weaker for it.

My biggest complaint is that Trump agreed to debate her at all.

He was in a position to say, "fuck no, this is a chumps game. It is rigged as all hell and I'm not playing it." Then show repeatedly show Romney getting tackled from the bench by the elephantine Candy Crowley.

Blogger de ti September 30, 2016 11:46 AM  

I have to disagree with the optimism in the comments that Trump will win the election simply by appearing presidential and not kicking the shit out of Hillary in debates.

Fully 35% of the entire American electorate will NEVER EVER vote for Trump, simply because he has an "R" (for Republican) next to his name. Add another 5% to that just because it's bombastic Trump.

That aforementioned 35% will vote for an orangutan as long as said orangutan has a "D" next to its name.

As far as Electoral College votes (where it counts), Hillary already has the following states sewn up: NY, IL, CA, CT, RI, VT, NH, MA, WA, OR, HI. That's about 200 votes right there and she only needs 70 more to win. She'll probably win CO, IA, AZ and probably MI. She has fighting chances in NC, PA, OH, and FL. She wins PA and OH, and it's President Hillary.

Trump has a much, much longer ways to go. He has to win PA, OH, FL, MI and NC to have a fighting chance. Of the big states, he can count only on TX. He's got the South and the Great Plains states but those aren't nearly enough to get him there.

Anonymous Don't Suicide Me September 30, 2016 11:46 AM  

Solution to the problem:

Trump says he is not speaking for Trump.

After each personal attack by her, (take the attack) then state:

I am the voice for the voiceless.

He is giving voice to those raped and violated by the Clinton's.

He is giving voice to the families who have none in the MSM concerning the loss of their loved ones to illegal aliens.

He is giving voice to those silenced by the corrupt system.

So, he isn't attacking Hillary, he is defending the defenseless.

Spin that Jon Favreau!

Blogger Merlinus September 30, 2016 11:47 AM  

The truth is, Trump is simply not the alpha his supporters make him out to be. He's a the typical delta that cares way too much about what people think about him. The only reason he appeared to have the typical ZFG alpha swagger during the primaries was because the rest of the Republican nominees were a bunch of pathetic gammas.

When Trump took part in Comedy Central's "The Roast of Donald Trump", the one topic that was off limits was that nobody could make a joke implying that Trump wasn't rich.

And what did we see in the debate this week? After a rather impressive 20 minutes, the wheels came off after Clinton implied that the reason Trump won't release his tax returns is because he's not as rich as he says he is. Trump then became completely sidetracked trying to prove that yes, he was indeed a special snowflake.

Trump is a petty insecure delta male. He's insecure about having inherited his wealth from daddy, he's insecure about his hot young wife being an import because he strikes out with the hotties stateside, and he's insecure about his political stances. He's far from being a ZFG alpha. And his campaign is going to crash and burn.

He can taunt and ridicule Megyn Kelly when he's surrounded by his adoring fans. But Clinton shit tested the hell out of him in this debate, and Trump withered and let himself be cucked.

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 11:49 AM  

Hillary's not a woman. She's a lying, power hungry, money grubbing, entitled mean girl monster willing to destroy anyone and everyone, man, woman or child, who stands in her way. For example, the 12 year old rape victim she attacked...

There are ways.

Anonymous BluePony September 30, 2016 11:51 AM  

(._. )

"Irritating" doesn't even begin to describe it.

I hereby propose my own Big Fork project:

The Alternative Homeland

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia September 30, 2016 11:51 AM  

The thing that cracks me up about all of this is how women and non-whites want to have all the benefits that are supposed accrued to white males but none of the negatives. They don't want to have compete via meritocracy or to be responsible for any bad decisions they make. Love it!

Blogger kurt9 September 30, 2016 11:53 AM  

Trump won the debate. This is what my friend (who saw the debate) had to say about it:


What impresses me is Trump won the LIBERAL MEDIA polls!

http://time.com/4506217/presidential-debate-clinton-trump-survey/

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html

Most likely because the Überliberal moderator couldn't behave well enough for even left of Lenin lunatics to accept him as neutral.

I think this is part and parcel of Liberals not understanding how people work. E. g. Hitlary thinking women are going to be loyal and have solidarity with her, when that's an exclusively male trait.

The moderator attacked Trump a lot. He softballed Hitlary. And Trump was pretty nice to both of them and basically just kept going and ignored it. What does this tell the audience? Trump's the big monkey! So all the stuff the Liberal media losers beat on the moderator to do backfired. It made Trump look like a dominant alpha male. The big monkey. Presidential.

Then to ice the cake Trump did something truly artful today. When someone asked why he didn't bring up Monica Lewinsky he said he was going to but saw Chelsea in the audience and didn't want to be mean to her.

Blogger Mountain Man September 30, 2016 11:55 AM  

@53
Haaahaaaa..damn you Soros trolls are outperforming yourselves these days.
You've got the terms correct just not applied correctly.. there is still hope for you yet - just keep studying and learning and don't over - sperg it.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 30, 2016 11:56 AM  

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

Go down to "By Gender: Female".

In the last week or so, Hillary's support among women has been leaking to Trump.

Blogger JWM September 30, 2016 11:59 AM  

There is one image I noticed, but have not heard mentioned in discussions on the debate. We had a white feminist and a black dude tag teaming a lone, very white, and very alpha male. Doesn't matter that the female was a nasty old hag. The white woman/black male meme has been shoved down our throats for a long time. It's hard to turn on a TV or open a magazine without being confronted by it. And the reaction, from both women and men is visceral and wildly negative. We saw it again on national TV. The hit may have been close to subliminal, but it was a hit nonetheless. Too many of us are sick to the eyeballs of it.

JWM

Blogger Ingot9455 September 30, 2016 12:01 PM  

Trump's no fly list gun thing has been on his website a long time. Basically the feds can only deny you 72 hours if you are on a list and that is their time to shit or get off the pot; being you in and charge you or don't. Plus a legal means to get off the list.

It may be a prior restraint and it sucks but it's no worse than the NICS check being down for the weekend.

Anonymous #8601 September 30, 2016 12:02 PM  

Passing on opportunities to attack Hillary is fine. Getting baited into non-issues like tax returns and birtherism is not.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 30, 2016 12:07 PM  

Trump for the people. His getting off game was bad, come on Donald.

Blogger pyrrhus September 30, 2016 12:08 PM  

Latest on the debate shenanigans http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/did-crooked-cheatin-hillary-have-an-ipad-or-monitor-and-notes-during-the-debate/

Blogger VFM #7634 September 30, 2016 12:08 PM  

There are two possibilities. One is that Trump just couldn't figure out how to attack Hillary on multiple openings that he was handed. The other is that he bypassed them on purpose, for better or for worse.

Which do you really think is more likely? Especially considering that Trump is, we are told, a Master Persuader.

Mostly option one with the addition that he got bored and distracted after the first half hour of the debate. Plus he didn't do enough debate prep.

Trump goes off script a lot. That's what happened in the debate.


@20 Josh
Seriously? Consider:

1. Trump repeatedly nailed Jeb (and Rubio, and Cruz) to the wall over considerably less than what Hillary has done. And yet we're supposed to believe he suddenly forgot how to do that...

2. Trump has over fifty years of experience in dealing with women and getting what he wants from them. FIFTY YEARS.

Blogger Merlinus September 30, 2016 12:11 PM  

Trump gets baited about the tax returns and birtherism because he's insecure. He can't help it. He even got tripled up when Clinton declared that he doesn't pay taxes.

An alpha would have used that opportunity to push his platform of lower taxes. Trump didn't pay taxes, and he wants Americans to pay less taxes.

Instead, what did we get? Trump trying to claim that he was being smart by not paying taxes. Because he's insecure. He thought we might have forgotten how smart he is. We might forget he's a special snowflake.

Typical delta move.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 30, 2016 12:14 PM  

I thought Trump did a good job of showing restraint.

Hate to say it, but JB is right - just remember what happened to Rick Lazio when he "appeared" to lean over Hillary in that Ny Senate debate. Double standards suck, but they exist nevertheless.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 30, 2016 12:15 PM  

@Merlinus

Actually, Trump was repeatedly using Agree and Amplify on Hillary's attacks, and otherwise bogging them down. Something which seems to have eluded most people.

Blogger Teri September 30, 2016 12:15 PM  

@51, latest poll shows Hillary up 6 in WA state. Obama took the state by +15. She does not have things wrapped up.

Blogger VD September 30, 2016 12:17 PM  

Typical delta move.

You don't even know what a delta is. Or an alpha, for that matter.

Blogger Dire Badger September 30, 2016 12:17 PM  

Grr, this is exactly what I said, in the comments right here, the night of the debate.

Blogger Rusty Fife September 30, 2016 12:21 PM  

Iron Spartan wrote:This wasn't the last debate. Trump understands the perils of peaking too soon. I expect him to win the next debate and for his performance to improve until the last debate he wins in a landslide.

I would also expect him to have a electronic warfare specialist looking into filling Hillary's earpiece with painfully loud and high pitched feedback.


Better, hack her rtoe controlled auto injection pump.

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 12:22 PM  

Why are you obsessing over Trump's socio-sexual status, Merlinus? We're past the relevance of that. We have a binary choice. Trump or Clinton. Trump is not the ideal candidate. He's a gamble, but Hillary is an nefarious sure thing.

Blogger Merlinus September 30, 2016 12:23 PM  

@VFM

He didn't bog down Clintons attacks. He got bogged down by them.

Look at the first 20 to 30 minutes of the debate. Trump absolutely savaged Clinton on her support of the TPP, on her husbands support of NAFTA. Those were master strokes. It was a total beatdown policy wise.

Then Clinton got the shiv out and stabbed him in his nuts. The tax returns, birtherism.....even the stupid thing with the miss universe chick. And The Donald stopped his beatdown to try to defend how alpha he is. He had to defend his wealth, his image...because he so deeply cares what people think. He absolutely got cucked by her.

Blogger Paul September 30, 2016 12:24 PM  

It's not over by a long shot. The very best thing everyone can do is to urge Millennials to vote for Gary Johnson. Because peace. Because marijuana. Because whatever. Don't mention Trump. Don't mention Hillary. Just, "I hear a whole lot of young people are voting their consciences this time around and going with Gary Johnson. He's got a lot of interesting things to say." Then just shut up.

I'll let you discuss among yourselves why this is an excellent move.

Blogger OGRE September 30, 2016 12:24 PM  

If he'd landed a 'knockout' blow this early, the Dems could substitute someone else in her place if they felt she was then unelectable. She just needs to have some sort of medical 'episode,' highly plausable given recent events, and they can substitute in someone more palatable such as Michelle Obama.

However, if there is no knockout, if she remains in the contest through Oct 1, then even if she were to be removed from the ticket for whatever reason, theres not enough time to have the ballots reprinted. Basically, once 10/1 hits pretty much every state will have the ballots printed and theres no redoing that no matter who might actually be on the ticket.

Thus, keeping her as a viable candidate through Oct 1 means theres no easy way to pull her if the Dems think thats necessary. Because even if they do try to switch her out, her name is still right there at the top of the ticket.

So best bet is to hold off till then before any attempts at knocking her out.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 12:24 PM  

1. Trump repeatedly nailed Jeb (and Rubio, and Cruz) to the wall over considerably less than what Hillary has done. And yet we're supposed to believe he suddenly forgot how to do that...

He never debated any of them one on one for ninety minutes. And none of them were able to get under his skin like Clinton did.

Blogger Dave S September 30, 2016 12:25 PM  

As demonstrated by Merkel, leftist female Scandinavian politicians, etc., the West does not have time to be gentle on traitors who happen to be women.

Destroy her or be destroyed.

In any event, the reason why Trump lost the first debate - big-league, if I may add - is not that he didn't hit Clinton. It's that he babbled and choked on so many answers, particularly the one concerning his ostensible support for the war in Iraq.

Blogger Nate September 30, 2016 12:25 PM  

"1. Trump repeatedly nailed Jeb (and Rubio, and Cruz) to the wall over considerably less than what Hillary has done. And yet we're supposed to believe he suddenly forgot how to do that..."

You're failing to recognize that Trump was 1 out of a large group. He could pick his spots... listen for openings... bang.

Seeing the last debate... it is becoming more clear that not only does he have his hands tied because he's debating a girl... he also isn't nearly as good in one on one debates.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 12:25 PM  

and they can substitute in someone more palatable such as Michelle Obama.


That's not how the ballot laws work

Blogger Merlinus September 30, 2016 12:26 PM  

@Nick S

Because once again, we find ourselves in "the most important election ever". And the alt right is blowing their wad over this cucked delta, wasting valuable political capital on a candidate that can't stand up to Clinton on stage.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 30, 2016 12:26 PM  

One thing that I found disturbing was his agreement with TheCunt about the need for people on the Terrorist Watch List to have their rights to firearms taken away from them...

And he had bad hair, terrible taste in fashion, and is an obnoxious New York real estate developer. But he's still the best choice by more than a country mile, because the choice is between Donald "Send Mohammad Home" Trump and Hillary "I Admire Angela Merkel" Clinton.

Never lose sight of that. We know policies aren't going to stop the train wreck that's coming. Electing Trump isn't about enacting a set of policies. It's about starting the process of getting rid of the Globalists.

He has flaws. Don't worry about them.

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 12:29 PM  

Merlinus wrote:...wasting valuable political capital...

What's the alternative?

Blogger OGRE September 30, 2016 12:31 PM  

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Blogger OGRE September 30, 2016 12:32 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:and they can substitute in someone more palatable such as Michelle Obama.



That's not how the ballot laws work


Thanks for explaining how ballot laws work Josh.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 12:32 PM  

Thanks for the explaining how ballot laws work Josh.

It's been covered here before. They can't legally just replace her with some random person.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 30, 2016 12:33 PM  

@19 This wasn't the last debate. Trump understands the perils of peaking too soon. I expect him to win the next debate and for his performance to improve until the last debate he wins in a landslide.

I think this is the strategy.

The object is to wait for the right moments and have the momentum increasing.

If he is too aggressive he is the big bully. If he hits her hard before she hits him hard, he comes off as a bully. (I am such a vulnerable woman and he says mean things about Rosie O'Donnell and Piggy the PornStar).

You have to let the game come to you. You don't go make the game. You respond as it comes. You let the momentum swell.

I ain't the highest IQ here. It is weird to me that this is escaping so many here.

Blogger seeingsights September 30, 2016 12:33 PM  

I think that Trump should just speak calmly from now on. That would reassure voters: Trump is not a wild choice after all.

Trump should not respond to some remarks from the Dem side. When Clinton says that she admires Merkel, I think that is bait to get Trump to say something which, while it might be true, would give a bad impression.

In 1968, Nixon was careful not to unnecessarily rile up Democrats voters--heck, he talked like the peace candidate at times. Let sleeping dogs lie.

Anonymous Just Stopping By September 30, 2016 12:39 PM  

The "pity" vote brings to mind ...

Mr. T - "I pity the fool ..."

In a more modern context the new "Mr. T" should say "I don't pity the fool ...".

Pity is completely and totally wasted on the kind of fools that are on the left ... like SJWs and the willingly maleducated.

Anonymous Helton Strom September 30, 2016 12:39 PM  

The tactical and the strategic are different.
That's why armies have both sergeants and generals.

My natural tendency is to think at the sergeant/tactical level. The thinking is easy: IF attacked THEN counterattack UNTIL target destroyed. There are no larger considerations. Destroying targets that cause problems is what sergeants do.

The guys at the top, the generals, need guys like me. But the guys like me need the generals, too, to look at the bigger picture and know when is the right time to attack, or the right time to hold back, or the right time to don a tutu and tap-dance like a fool because another fire team I know nothing of desperately needs a distraction in order to take out a much more valuable target.

.... but please, please, PLEASE, just don't make me the tutu squad AGAIN! I want to attack something, damit!

:-)

Blogger Merlinus September 30, 2016 12:42 PM  

@Nick S

Well, at this point, there is no alternative. Its too late for this election, y'all backed the wrong the horse. So its time to start building for 2020. Or target the 2018 midterms.

If the Alt Right wants to avoid going the way of the Tea Party, they need to get better at picking candidates.

Anonymous The Gray Man September 30, 2016 12:44 PM  

Who are these naysayers like #91 Merlinus?

Idiots. Trump is more competitive than McCain or Romney ever were.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 30, 2016 12:48 PM  

@81 Some troll

Because once again, we find ourselves in "the most important election ever". And the alt right is blowing their wad over this cucked delta, wasting valuable political capital on a candidate that can't stand up to Clinton on stage.

Oh, come on, you can't just string word salad together and expect anyone to take it seriously. Honestly, if you want to troll for flames here you'll have to do better than this.

Now let me ask you, is sitting in some converted call center cube farm typing out junk like this in comments boxes really the way you want to live? They can't be paying you very much.

But you do provide a tiny smidge of entertainment as you dance for us. Dance, monkey, dance! It makes us smirk. Just like Trump does when he delivers a shot to your paymasters.

Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 12:48 PM  

Merlinus wrote:Well, at this point, there is no alternative.

Well then, if you have no compelling case to make, shut the fuck up and go away.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 30, 2016 12:52 PM  

That's not how the ballot laws work

This of course assumes a rule of law in the Banana Empire, the existence of which has been disproven on numerous occasions (including the FBI's recent refusal to act on herself's own total lawlessness with the emails). Laws don't apply to folks like Cruella Depends - or, even more so, the (((elites))) whose tune she dances to. One can ghost-dance about constitutions and laws indulge in as much deck-chair feng-shui as one likes but the hard fact remains unaltered: They can do whatever they damned well like and there is nobody there to prevent them from doing so.

If Trump wins big enough to overcome the massive unopposed vote-fraud already under way some time may be bought before the thing goes off the rails altogether. It's a hail-mary pass. The longtime Repuke newspaper the Arizona Republic endorsed Cruella Depends just yesterday - just to give one example of the type of "support" Trump is getting from the Gay Old Pedobears.

Blogger Student in Blue September 30, 2016 12:52 PM  

Who are these naysayers like #91 Merlinus?

Shills who come out of the woodwork and try to convince you they're "one of us" even as they misuse and misunderstand the terms they appropriate.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 30, 2016 12:53 PM  

@91 some troll
If the Alt Right wants to avoid going the way of the Tea Party, they need to get better at picking candidates.

As I said a couple of weeks back, we can expect more and more FUD to show up in the comments as the Soros team gets more and more desperate.

C'mon, troll, just stand up from your chair, step out of your cube, and go outside for some fresh air. You're not doing any good here.

Anonymous BluePony September 30, 2016 12:56 PM  

"2. Trump has over fifty years of experience in dealing with women and getting what he wants from them. FIFTY YEARS."

How many years does he have dealing with a spiritus immundus in a (vaguely) female form?

Blogger Student in Blue September 30, 2016 12:56 PM  

These CTR plebs also don't realize that a lot of us have been here for years. Years. We know each other.

We didn't spring, fully-formed, out of Trump's hair last year.

Blogger Merlinus September 30, 2016 12:59 PM  

@The Gray Man

Of course Trump is more competitive than McCain or Romney. But thats not a very high bar.

For 8 years, we've known that The Cunt was going to run for President. The best the Republicans could come up with was the cavalcade of clowns Trump skewered earlier this year. The party is ripe for the taking by the Alt Right.

Y'all have spent a year calling out the cucks in the GOP only for The Donald to get cucked by the most corrupt and despicable candidate in recent history.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 30, 2016 1:04 PM  


Then Clinton got the shiv out and stabbed him in his nuts. The tax returns, birtherism.....even the stupid thing with the miss universe chick. And The Donald stopped his beatdown to try to defend how alpha he is. He had to defend his wealth, his image...because he so deeply cares what people think. He absolutely got cucked by her.


@Merlinus
You don't know what "cucked" means. It's quite common for average Delta male viewers to think Trump cut his own nuts off, but that is not what in fact happened.

I've also come to the conclusion that he may have been stalling and boring the audience on purpose and running out the clock, once he realized that Lester Holt, who could have gotten away with hitting Hillary with hard questions much more than Trump could, had no intention of doing so.

This besides the fact that viewership was going to be the largest for the first half hour or so anyway, which was when Trump landed his hardest blows on Hillary.

Because once again, we find ourselves in "the most important election ever". And the alt right is blowing their wad over this cucked delta, wasting valuable political capital on a candidate that can't stand up to Clinton on stage.

No, a Delta would have gone after her as if she were a man (like I suspect Rick Lazio did), and would certainly not have used Agree and Amplify, but would have acted flustered and apologetic. Both hitting her like a man and being flustered and apologetic about the dirt Hillary threw at him would have tanked his support among women.

But that's not what happened. In fact, the LATimes tracking poll show Hillary sinking post-debate.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 30, 2016 1:07 PM  

Idiots. Trump is more competitive than McCain or Romney ever were.

He's also facing a substantially weaker opponent

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky September 30, 2016 1:07 PM  

Trump opened and closed the debate with statements that he was intending to go easy on Hillary. He let her be nasty, and boy was she. Her closing remarks seemed to take him aback. They sure took me aback. Amazing nastiness. Of course that was contrived, she intentionally packed it up against the clock and loaded it thick, so he would have little time to respond.

And he really didn't - he publicly checked himself and announced that. He very visibly was making deposits in the account of personal grievance, and Hillary was happily dishing it out.

I do think he's building capital so that when he unloads in the future (as he will), it will be quite a wallop.

Anonymous mature craig September 30, 2016 1:08 PM  

I thought Trump won the debate but Hillary made a decent showing

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 30, 2016 1:09 PM  

@100 some troll

Y'all have spent a year calling out the cucks in the GOP only for The Donald to get cucked by the most corrupt and despicable candidate in recent history.


Boy, you still keep using words that you don't really understand.
Keep parading your ignorance around, for the entertainment value if nothing else.

You're not all that entertaining, but right now you're the funniest thing here.

But ask yourself, is this really the internship that I was promised? Do I get to go to the right cocktail parties when I'm sitting in a cube hammering out dopy comments and scarfing down cold pizza?

Fat, rejected by women and boring is no way to go through life, trollboy.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 30, 2016 1:13 PM  

@92 The Gray Man
Who are these naysayers like #91 Merlinus?
---

He's either a hildebeast shill, or a Soros shill. Not sure which, don't care either.

Blogger Chiva September 30, 2016 1:14 PM  

Y'all have spent a year calling out the cucks in the GOP only for The Donald to get cucked by the most corrupt and despicable candidate in recent history.

You sound like a manager who has learned a new technical term and is using it at every opportunity. Do you understand what 'cucked' means?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 30, 2016 1:17 PM  

Heh that's right! Next he's going to be talking about Cloud Computing!

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner September 30, 2016 1:20 PM  

Since both the PUSLE moslem shooters dad campaigned for HillDOG & the Washington Turk moslem mall shooter non-citizen voted 3 times including tweeting about voting for Hilldog in the primaries someone still on twitter should combine that into a meme.

certainly not with a woman who signals her femininity as strongly as Clinton

Does anyone actually think she is feminine? I have seen nigger tranny crack whores in Baltimore more fem than her.

You let her escalate it. Then you can respond with some force.

Have you seen any of Hilldog's commercials?

Or why he doesn't say an issue such as birthism is in the past

He quoted Hilldog saying "what difference does it make". But both the moderator had an earphone( that was banned for all 3) and he obeyed Hilldog's touch nose touch chin signals. It even covers where she was made he screwed up the signal, TRUMP did well for debating 2 opponants. http://truepundit.com/rigged-damning-video-busts-hillary-using-hand-signals-to-trigger-lester-holt/

The other is that he bypassed them on purpose, for better or for worse.

The video above shows that Hilldogs hand signals controlled Holt so she could launch zingers or have Holt push.

Hillary Kryptonite Deathblow on his blog today. Getting a child rapist off on a technicality cannot be spun positively.

The fact she laughed about it, & attacked the girl was the bad part. Shitlibs say she was just doing her job.

An alpha would have used that opportunity to push his platform of lower taxes.

He did but Holt kept him from going farther.

Anonymous CC September 30, 2016 1:21 PM  

According to Jimmy Carter's campaign team in 1980, all Reagan had to do during the debates was not come across like a madman, the way he he had been painted. And he did that. In the same way all Trump needed to do was not come across like racist sexist white male hater.

After all, for a lot of people it was their first proper unedited exposure to Trump as political candidate and I reckon they would have been surprised as to how moderate and restrained he was. The guy is very charming and authentic even when he's not at his best. So it's a bit like trying to tell to all the people who have been persuaded to hate him: "if only you could know the Trump I know. He's not that bad!"

I was initially disappointed he was soft-soaping her so much, but after sleeping on it I figured he'd handled it the right way.

Anonymous Rodger Dodger September 30, 2016 1:25 PM  

In others words "I am woman, hear me roar", but "you can't hit me, I'm a girl".

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 1:29 PM  

Shitlibs say she was just doing her job.

Yeah, if attacking a 12 year old rape victim in order to use her as just another stepping stone in the long list of stepping stones to the White House is part of your job.

Anonymous krymneth September 30, 2016 1:36 PM  

I half watched the debates. I figured Hillary pretty much won, as many others did.

Then I watched the polls come out afterwards, both the election polls and the debate polls. If the plan was to deliberately buff Trump before crashing him after the debate to make it appear Hillary won, the pollsters seem to have forgotten step two.

And then I had remind myself... if I think Hillary won, given how much I differ from the rest of the electorate, that's actually evidence she didn't win.

I think that's a lot of what we're seeing on the internet, a whole bunch of higher-IQ people thinking Hillary obviously won, what's the argument? Well... the argument is the standards by which she "won" aren't the relevant standards.

Anonymous Rodger Dodger September 30, 2016 1:36 PM  

@3.

"The last time I voted Republican for president was 1984, but after her "basket of deplorables" remark, there was no way in hell I was going to let the SJWs and dindus send that criminal bitch and her rapist husband back to the White House."


So you voted for her husband and the guy that helped make her candidacy possible, and did all the other damage he did to the country twice?

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 30, 2016 1:48 PM  

OT: If anybody wants to listen to the Brainstorm from the other day Greg Johnson put it out here: http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/09/vox-day-interviews-greg-johnson-on-the-alt-right/

Anonymous Haven Monahan September 30, 2016 2:02 PM  

As Martin van Creveld wrote back in 2004:

"In private life, an adult who keeps beating down on a five year old — even such a one as originally attacked him with a knife – will be perceived as committing a crime; therefore he will lose the support of bystanders and end up by being arrested, tried and convicted. In international life, an armed force that keeps beating down on a weaker opponent will be seen as committing a series of crimes; therefore it will end up by losing the support of its allies, its own people, and its own troops."

"Depending on the quality of the forces – whether they are draftees or professionals, the effectiveness of the propaganda machine, the nature of the political process, and so on – things may happen quickly or take a long time to mature. However, the outcome is always the same. He (or she) who does not understand this does not understand anything about war; or, indeed, human nature."

This works in politics as well. And this phenomenon was captured brilliants, and more importantly, succinctly, in this memorable sentence by Judgybitch:

"Trump won, because he spanked Hillary just enough to let her know her place, but not so hard he triggered the latent white knight in undecided viewers."

Blogger Ingot9455 September 30, 2016 2:05 PM  

@111 What I say on that one is this:

"Defending a rapist of an 11 year old is one thing. Cackling about it like a hag is another."

Blogger Melampus the Seer September 30, 2016 2:07 PM  

It would be interesting to develop a rhetoric for men against women contests like this.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 30, 2016 2:15 PM  

Oh man, Trump turned the other cheek. Surely that's one of the signs of apocalypse.

Blogger Lew Rand September 30, 2016 2:24 PM  

@113: I voted Perot twice and skipped the next 3 uniparty elections. I was under the impression that my protest vote of not giving them legitimacy meant something.

And I still feel that way, but I hope that the Emperor King is truly fighting the uniparty as we speak.

Blogger Some Guy September 30, 2016 2:26 PM  

@VD

Vox, Scott Adams just posted a new video with Stefan. He goes into what he thinks will be a lot of Trumps future tactics. I don't pretend to know the answer for how he should avoid pissing off female voters. Truth is, women get mad at you no matter what you do unless you give them the tingles. I'm pretty sure Trump will figure this out. He's a straight Alpha in a world of Gamma's and Omega's.

Blogger Lew Rand September 30, 2016 2:27 PM  

I also hoped Obama would win in 08 (From AZ, so lets not get started on how evil McCain is) so that if the economy fully crashed [it did look that way] the right people would be blamed for killing it.

I just underestimated the amount of high octane fuel they would poor into the economy to get 1% growth so that it looked better than it is.

Blogger Lucas September 30, 2016 2:27 PM  

This is why women in politics is a mistake.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell September 30, 2016 2:28 PM  

There's no "pity vote." Trump was maybe trying to look "Presidential" or perhaps more likely he just didn't care.

Blogger Lew Rand September 30, 2016 2:36 PM  

@123: A lot of "I know he's a fool and now he's showing it" going on.

Hard to believe given 30+ years in the public eye, successful TV show and a gold rated brand that is his name. My small circle of 1 just wishes he wasn't so mean. (Yeah its a fun argument bleah)

But the interaction of discussing this election with her is a microcosm of this blog. She brings up some thing Trump has done. I acknowledge and bring up something Clinton has done that is much worse. She responds that this is about Trump, why are you discussing her. Doesn't matter that I admit his flaws (mostly on a feels level, not actual flaws that should affect the way he geoverns) and want to point out the real problems that are expected if Clinton wins.

And yes no matter what I think of voting feelings before facts, she still gets a vote. [Though AZ is probably pretty safe in the end]

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 30, 2016 2:44 PM  

We don't need no Clinton zombie
Use her drugs to raise Harambe
Huma'beddin tried to lick
Fantastic gorilla dick


Leo, there is no sane response.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 30, 2016 2:48 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents

Wins best use of "deplorable" for the day ...

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 30, 2016 2:52 PM  

He can taunt and ridicule Megyn Kelly when he's surrounded by his adoring fans. But Clinton shit tested the hell out of him in this debate, and Trump withered and let himself be cucked.

Wait ... he's going to thrash Megyn Kelly and lose to Hillary?

How many men would white-knight for Kelly? How many would white-knight for Hillary? HELLO????

Your idiotic thesis defeats itself.

Anonymous BGKB September 30, 2016 2:57 PM  

OT: polling play http://www.mrctv.org/blog/buzzfeed-hilariously-updates-own-online-poll-due-huge-trump-showing

Anonymous Blurt September 30, 2016 3:00 PM  

So the solution to this terrible dilemma is to avoid beating up on Hillary and trash Miss Universe instead. Brilliant!

Anonymous mature craig September 30, 2016 3:30 PM  

I think Ann Coulter's September 28th article about the debate is really good

Blogger Lew Rand September 30, 2016 3:33 PM  

I have to admit the tweet is interesting Rhetoric:

"Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?"

I have to agree might be a time to pass the shot. But he isn't attacking Hillary. He is attacking someone who has a checkered past who is being portrayed as an angel.

For people wanting to move past the PC world, you sure seem to virtue signal a lot.

[Your comment and radio prompted me to go to twitter to get the original source. Man it was a lot tamer than I was led to believe]

Blogger GAHCindy September 30, 2016 3:37 PM  

@91 Merlinus September
"@Nick S

Well, at this point, there is no alternative. Its too late for this election, y'all backed the wrong the horse. So its time to start building for 2020. Or target the 2018 midterms."

I dunno. Maybe we should, like, have an election first. That's usually how it's done.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 30, 2016 3:38 PM  

New philosophy: This is the gayest possible world.

Blogger Nate September 30, 2016 3:41 PM  

"Idiots. Trump is more competitive than McCain or Romney ever were."

False.

Like it or not, both McCain and Romney had their elections won.

Both shot themselves in the head.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 30, 2016 3:43 PM  

Is it time to start shooting defeatist yet?

Blogger Nate September 30, 2016 3:59 PM  

"Is it time to start shooting defeatist yet?"

sooooon....

Anonymous Sondine124 September 30, 2016 4:07 PM  

Some people have a hard time believing that Trump did his very best in the debate and still lost.

Why is this so hard to believe? He is up against a very experienced politician who knows the value of discipline. Meanwhile, he has zero discipline in preparing or debating.

You should believe all those reports that the man didn't care to prep.

And now what? Well, look at the first state polls since the debate. It's all Hillary.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 30, 2016 4:09 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents wrote:is sitting in some converted call center cube farm typing out junk like this in comments boxes really the way you want to live?
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find that at least some of these trolls are either AI-assisted or full AIs.  Markov-chain generators work real cheap.

However bad they are, I don't think AIs can be motivated by threatening to downgrade their CPUs to 80386's.

Blogger Montrose September 30, 2016 4:24 PM  

This is the blackest of pills, for this week, at least.

Anonymous rienzi September 30, 2016 4:29 PM  

96. Student in Blue:

Who are these naysayers like #91 Merlinus?

Shills who come out of the woodwork and try to convince you they're "one of us" even as they misuse and misunderstand the terms they appropriate."

Yes, I've noticed the same thing over the past ten days or so: a number of names I've never seen here ever before suddenly commenting their rears off on practically every political thread, and when called on it claim to have been reading the blog forever, but just never felt like commenting before.

I might believe this of an individual or two, but there has been a whole platoon of them. Soros folks must have realized the old playbook wasn't working. Sorry trolls, this one isn't either.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 30, 2016 4:47 PM  


I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find that at least some of these trolls are either AI-assisted or full AIs. Markov-chain generators work real cheap.

However bad they are, I don't think AIs can be motivated by threatening to downgrade their CPUs to 80386's.


@137 Mr. Rational
Quite honestly, it's probably easily within the range of capabilities of computer programmers here on this site to create a convincing SJW AI, given how programmed SJWs are.

Blogger Teri September 30, 2016 5:18 PM  

One of the things I've learned from this blog (and a bit from Scott Adams), is to stop countering anti-Trump blogs with facts. It's pointless. I now just respond with stuff like this:

http://youtu.be/BFjISalpm1k

And clearly the folks taking Gary Johnson seriously hadn't seen the interview with him sticking his tongue out. This is a lot more fun.

Blogger Nick S September 30, 2016 5:35 PM  

GAHCindy wrote:

Merlinus wrote:"So its time to start building for 2020. Or target the 2018 midterms."

I dunno. Maybe we should, like, have an election first. That's usually how it's done.
-------
Good point.

Anonymous Vince Foster (still dead) September 30, 2016 5:49 PM  

@129Blurt
So the solution to this terrible dilemma is to avoid beating up on Hillary and trash Miss Universe instead. Brilliant!

Nah, we just let Miss Piggy Universe, babymomma to a Mexican drug cartel leader, getaway car driver from a murder attempt, and part time porn actress (not that there's anything wrong with that) define herself.

She's clearly a Hillary! kind of girl. At least that's how it feels to me.

Blogger Tom Kratman September 30, 2016 5:52 PM  

One more increment of evidence that the really BIG mistake wasn't the vote; it was shoes.

Blogger Lovekraft September 30, 2016 6:20 PM  

came to this comments page late and want to reply to earlier ones. Wondering if it's possible to have a Judgybitch-style comment page where we can have reply threads.

Anonymous Barking Mad September 30, 2016 6:28 PM  

The thesis about latent white-knighting and fem-sisterhood tendencies in the viewing public may be true, which actually makes it another argument why women shouldn't wield political power.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 30, 2016 6:31 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:it's probably easily within the range of capabilities of computer programmers here on this site to create a convincing SJW AI, given how programmed SJWs are.
Then by all means, they should do so.  Disemploying the professional SJW should be one of our highest priorities.

And imagine the shame.  "You've been replaced by an app!"  All of the moral superiority of being a SJW would evaporate.

Anonymous Pennywise September 30, 2016 6:55 PM  

"Trump has some massive strikes left in his arsenal. Benghazi. The Clinton Foundation. Her private server. Immigration. The Second Amendment. Death Taxes. Bill’s rape roster. Big strikes. If and when he pulls them, he is risking the paradox of fighting with women."

The common citizen already knows about those things. There is nothing new there. Trump will reiterate the obvious if he goes down that road. Those are not "massive strikes", they are "spit balls".

Anonymous mature craig September 30, 2016 8:04 PM  

In other good news i find this to be the funniest election i have ever seen for some reason

Blogger Fitz September 30, 2016 8:41 PM  

As long as he doesn't admit to ordering the Code Red.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus September 30, 2016 8:54 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:VFM #7634 wrote:it's probably easily within the range of capabilities of computer programmers here on this site to create a convincing SJW AI, given how programmed SJWs are.

Then by all means, they should do so.  Disemploying the professional SJW should be one of our highest priorities.

And imagine the shame.  "You've been replaced by an app!"  All of the moral superiority of being a SJW would evaporate.



It's surprising this has not been done already. How many line of code are we talking here? The look up table has maybe 10 entries {misogynist, racist, homophobe...}.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus September 30, 2016 9:05 PM  

Merlinus wrote:@Nick S

Well, at this point, there is no alternative. Its too late for this election, y'all backed the wrong the horse. So its time to start building for 2020. Or target the 2018 midterms.

If the Alt Right wants to avoid going the way of the Tea Party, they need to get better at picking candidates.


Agreed. President Trump might not run again. Unlike his Jan, 2017 Inauguration, the latter event is too far away to call.

Blogger Pteronarcyd September 30, 2016 9:13 PM  

The need to pussyfoot around American female politicians is an excellent reason not to elect female politicians in America.

Anonymous Discard September 30, 2016 10:07 PM  

No female voters=no female politicians.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants October 01, 2016 3:27 AM  

Don't blame me, I have been saying men screwed up letting (us) women vote, for several decades now & I'd deep six the 19th Amendment, today.
I don't have the kind of reactions I guess I'm supposed to have, I'd love to see a blood sport match, but I do suspect that JudgyBitch is right. Watching my kind for so long, my experience is that there's a huge number of those hand wringer type women that would come unglued, if he was aggressive and seen as giving her a beat down. 😒

Anonymous Discard October 01, 2016 3:30 AM  

154. Zero Tollrants: What if Trump ripped her red coat off, revealing the drug pump that she's got hidden in the back? Could he pick up the Fabio vote?

Anonymous mature craig October 01, 2016 3:20 PM  

Actually its not funny.its serious..

Anonymous SciVo October 01, 2016 6:14 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents wrote:Someone explain to me again why women are allowed to vote at all?

Because we love them so much that sometimes it makes us stupid, and we forget what we know.

Anonymous SciVo October 01, 2016 6:20 PM  

If you accept natural selection that you must understand that men and women are constantly naturally selecting against each other, so I forgive white knights for being Darwinian failures. They couldn't help it.

Anonymous mature craig October 01, 2016 11:13 PM  

Yeah i get sense he won now. No gloating time to roll up sleeves and get to work making the country great and for those forvwhom it never stopped being great good for u and for those dor whom it never was great. Now tou will see what its like

Blogger Technomad October 02, 2016 1:31 AM  

I remember that she hid behind her gender against that guy she was "running" against in NY State for the Senate. He crossed the stage at one point in a debate to make a point, and everybody howled that he was intimidating and picking on her. 'Tis a pity the GOP couldn't find a female candidate to go up against SecState Umbridge. Unfortunately, after the way Sarah Palin was slimed and run out of public life, a lot of GOP women are, understandably, very gun-shy.

Anonymous SciVo October 03, 2016 5:59 AM  

Iron Spartan wrote:This wasn't the last debate. Trump understands the perils of peaking too soon. I expect him to win the next debate and for his performance to improve until the last debate he wins in a landslide.

Why do you expect that?

Going by the standard narrative arc, this last one was where he encountered the villain and survived by the skin of his teeth, then the next is where he will get punished horribly and learn so much about his own abilities, then the last is where he will use everything he has learned to win.

So I don't understand your prediction.

Anonymous SciVo October 03, 2016 6:13 AM  

Roundtine wrote:If Clinton/media get him talking about himself, they win. If he talks about American and the American people, he wins. Maybe the Alt-Right should launch a hashtag campaign to get Trump on message.

Effing Twatter. I deeply resent having to make an account, but I will if I have to. What's the message?

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