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Saturday, October 22, 2016

A lesson in Gamma

So, this would have appeared to come out of the blue to everyone on Gab yesterday.
Allen Ayler@PseudoCrusader
@voxday You follow just 32 people. Must be your egotistical self importance.

Vox Day@voxday
Very foolish, Allen. I was going to leave our email exchange private, but I'll go ahead and publish it on Alpha Game now.

It is a powerful lesson in not permitting Gammas in your project.
As a general rule, I don't expose people who email me, whether they are readers, critics, or even hatemailers. But sometimes, it is beneficial to do so, in order to provide an object lesson to those who believe that they can behave abusively with impunity, particularly in cases where there is a deeper lesson to be learned. And it's never a bad thing to remind people, from time to time, that picking a fight with someone whose friends and allies call him "Supreme Dark Lord" is probably not a wise thing to do.

But before you think I am attempting to rationalize a violation of privacy, please be aware that he has publicly requested that I post it: "Please post my email so people can know how full of shit you are." Also, on Gab: "Post the fucking email you hypocrite self-deluded asshole."

One of the challenges of running any organization, be it professional or volunteer, is dealing with the quirks of the various members, most of which are based on their socio-sexual status. Alphas are going to have inappropriate affairs, Betas are going to get promoted over their heads, Lambdas are going to talk relentlessly, and inappropriately, about their personal predilections and social lives, Gammas are going to preen, posture, pout, and occasionally sabotage projects and people, Sigmas are going to create the occasional intra-organizational upheaval, for good or ill, and Omegas are going to get themselves accused of sexual harassment.

That's all normal. You have to expect it as long as you're going to work with human beings. The key is learning to anticipate the problems and head them off at the pass. Don't let the Alpha hire a hot secretary, or at the very least, be sure she isn't married. Keep the Beta in a well-paid supporting position and give him a young subordinate Alpha to help him make decisions. Put the Lambda near the women where he'll entertain them. Try to steer the Sigma's idiosyncracies in a direction where he'll help the organization rather than harm it. Give the Gammas tasks that flatter their egos and keep them far away from any managerial responsibilities. Stash the Omegas where they can't creep out the women. Keep everybody out of the way of the Deltas who actually do most of the meaningful work.

Anyhow, this exchange took place two days ago. I would have let it go, except the Gamma concerned simply couldn't resist taking it public. Gammas, as Delta Man has repeatedly pointed out, not only sabotage others, they also tend to sabotage themselves. But I have seldom seen a Gamma sabotage himself so thoroughly as Mr. Ayler managed to do when attempting to volunteer to "help" Infogalactic.

I'm not saying there was anything wrong with his desire to know what was going on. Nor am I defending my failure to respond to him in a timely manner. But, as you'll see, my initial impression that there was something off about him proved to be correct. In spades.

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187 Comments:

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 22, 2016 11:10 AM  

Gammas are about as self-correcting as science is.

Blogger HardReturn¶ October 22, 2016 11:16 AM  

A gamma and his bile are soon parted.

Blogger The Kurgan October 22, 2016 11:18 AM  

Gammas make me want to rationalise mass graves

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 22, 2016 11:26 AM  

Good job, Vox. Allen seems rather 'off'.

Anonymous thoughtdeviant October 22, 2016 11:28 AM  

This guy is an idiot/social retard. Surely there is a place below 'gamma' for this specimen.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 22, 2016 11:36 AM  

@voxday You follow just 32 people. Must be your egotistical self importance.


i don't even understand the saliency of the complaint? not 'following' a particular account does NOT prevent you from reading what that account is posting, yes?

and, true or not, isn't Vox's supposed 'egotistical self importance' only relevant insofar as it's harming the project?

therefore, shouldn't the complaint be about something actually relevant to operation of the project rather than an irrelevant stat line?

must be my 'not rationality' kicking in again.

Blogger Dave October 22, 2016 11:36 AM  

So due to a minor dust-up over Infogalactic, this guy repeatedly emailed you; engaged in a war of gabs; posted butt-hurt comments to Alpha Game and posted a fake review on Amazon. Yeah, just the sort of model volunteer/employee we're all looking for.

Definitely a case study for one of your future books.

Anonymous #8601 October 22, 2016 11:37 AM  

Speaking of manliness, I have a question for the Ilk. When you are out walking around, what do you use to carry all your stuff? In the winter, it isn't as much of a problem. My coat has enough pockets to carry sunglasses, phone, water bottle, perhaps a "defensive" item or two, etc. In the summer, I've been using a backpack. However, as one ages, backpacks become somewhat juvenile. The only other alternative I can think of is a man purse.

So it's either look like a middle age kid with a backpack, or an effeminate hipster faggot with a man purse.

Please tell me there is a third option!

Blogger Bard October 22, 2016 11:43 AM  

FANNY PACK!

Anonymous Cash October 22, 2016 11:48 AM  

Fanny pack.

Or, if you like, a Manny Pack.

Anonymous Desert Rat October 22, 2016 11:53 AM  

Out here we wear shorts about 6 months out of the year. The cargo pants types have many pockets and can carry all the usual items (including handguns and spare magazines or speed loaders). A water bottle can be hung from your belt.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 22, 2016 11:56 AM  

@8 I recommend a Bulgar to port your necessities. You don't necessarily have to blind them, that's somewhat of an after market modification.

Anonymous Manny Pack RabidRatel October 22, 2016 11:56 AM  

#8601 wrote:what do you use to carry all your stuff?

Get a nice leather toolbelt, and a ball-pein hammer. Enough pockets for the rest of your stuff

Blogger Basil Makedon October 22, 2016 12:01 PM  

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Blogger Dave October 22, 2016 12:01 PM  

Waaal here ya go; from the comments at Alpha Game somebody took a look at his Amazon review history:

His highest-ranked review - of a karate uniform, three stars - gives us more insight into the man. At 5'7" 135lbs, he has, what we used to call, small man syndrome. His message to you just reeks of a gigantic chip on his shoulder.

Anonymous NateM October 22, 2016 12:04 PM  

"Keep everybody out of the way of the Deltas who actually do most of the meaningful work"

This is great advice. I mean all those pieces of advice were great, but that is the best. So many organizations I've worked for can't resist the urge to tweak, and fiddle. This only makes Deltas anxious about the correctness of what they're doing, And Deltas are most productive when they feel like they are making a valuable contribution. It does nothing by lower satisfaction in the rank and file, and ultimately cause them to 1)be less productive and 2) ultimately bail if the option presents itself.

Anonymous Ron October 22, 2016 12:09 PM  

@8

I carry a knife in my back pocket. Hands free when I'm walking around.

Anonymous #8601 October 22, 2016 12:22 PM  

Haha, thanks for the tips, gentlemen. Great call on the tool belt, with the Bulgar a close second!

Anonymous Slammer64 October 22, 2016 12:22 PM  

I smell an SJW infiltrator who got seriously butt-hurt after he got caught out.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 12:24 PM  

#8601 wrote:Please tell me there is a third option!

I assume you're asking from the southern hemisphere, since it's winter here up north.

You can always go with a briefcase, perfectly manly and respectable. I dislike how snatchable they appear to be, so I have an inexpensive, nice-looking, black vinyl "attache case" from Office Depot (IIRC), for when my beloved black Swiss Gear backpack would not be appropriate.

But normally what I do in summer, it's sufficient to have a black "poly urban shell" -- got mine from Sears and had the sleeves hemmed (expensive!) by a dry cleaners -- since it's literally just "this will keep your shirt dry" with pockets. Comfortable and looks good, there was even a scene near the end of Joan of Arcadia where the villain was wearing something similar in the rain and properly not caring about the dihydrogen monoxide all over his head, scary-sounding chemical but harmless outside your lungs.

Anonymous Trimegistus October 22, 2016 12:24 PM  

Why do you need to lug around a water bottle? Seriously, unless you're doing some kind of physically demanding activity far from civilization, why not just drink when you're at home or in your office or whatever? Seems like an awful burden.

Blogger Michael Maier October 22, 2016 12:25 PM  

"Sigmas are going to create the occasional intra-organizational upheaval, for good or ill"

NOT calling myself a Sigma here, but I do this all the damn time at work, without even intending to. I am simply too damned naive with the inter-departmental political bullshite.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 22, 2016 12:25 PM  

"When you are out walking around, what do you use to carry all your stuff?"

Man-servant, woman, or large dog.

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2016 12:27 PM  

#8601 wrote:Speaking of manliness, I have a question for the Ilk. When you are out walking around, what do you use to carry all your stuff? In the winter, it isn't as much of a problem. My coat has enough pockets to carry sunglasses, phone, water bottle, perhaps a "defensive" item or two, etc. In the summer, I've been using a backpack. However, as one ages, backpacks become somewhat juvenile. The only other alternative I can think of is a man purse.

So it's either look like a middle age kid with a backpack, or an effeminate hipster faggot with a man purse.

Please tell me there is a third option!



I have two solutions for this. Carry a functional purse that does not look too effeminate. That might well be an unadorned purse or a container of some sort that has other, non purse, uses. That would, say, a soft sided briefcase, athletic equipment container, something for camping, or maybe a container for equipment (camera or etc.).

The other solution is to leave the "purse" in the car most of the time. Maintaining appearances even as I am a slight cross dresser.

But then I am an old guy, and as best I can tell when you got old enough nobody much gives a rip what you look like. Looking a little unlikely is actually helpful. You get a pass because nobody much wants to mess around with a somewhat eccentric looking old guy

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2016 12:28 PM  

I forget the name, but there is an economist who theorized that twenty percent of the people in a society do eighty percent of the work. I suppose that would be Deltas.

Anonymous kfg October 22, 2016 12:32 PM  

"MUMBO JUMBO DRIVEN BY AN EGOTISTICAL PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL"

Caps lock mode, ON!

Sorta like Johnny Storm, only without the actual superpower.

Blogger Steampunk Koala October 22, 2016 12:32 PM  

I always used to be completely floored at all the stupid stuff that people would do to sabotage whatever we were doing. Thanks to posts like this, not only am I not surprised by it, I know how to deal with it. Now if only we could make this core education curriculum...

Blogger Dave October 22, 2016 12:36 PM  

"Maintaining appearances even as I am a slight cross dresser."

Unhh, somebody get this post back on track, stat.

Anonymous RabidRatel October 22, 2016 12:40 PM  

Steampunk Koala wrote:Now if only we could make this core education curriculum...

Since you should be homeschooling your kids, adding SJW's Always Lies and Gorilla Mindset as required reading shouldn't be too hard. Martin van Creveld for the sons.

Blogger Greg Adams October 22, 2016 12:43 PM  

It is funny (and fun to watch) when people attack you, Vox. I have learned a lot from observing as much of your logic as you have chosen to reveal, and your merciless side can be a piece of art sometimes. I don't consider myself a follower because there are some things theological that we differ on, but those are nothing that trouble me. I am not a member of the Evil Legion of Evil, even though membership in a pack of pissed off rabid wolves definitely has a strong appeal for me.

Point I'm getting at is I appreciate your work (work? "Work" has to be the wrong word. You enjoy it too much for it to be called "work"), whether it is on this blog or in your books. Keep it up, and continue to be merciless when you deem it fitting.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 22, 2016 12:45 PM  

That exchange posted on Alpha Game has to be read to be believed. That gamma's a psycho. Vox is helluva lot nicer guy than I am, and he's a self-proclaimed cruelty artist. Wow I guess I'm literally Hilter!

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On the baggage problem: Get a leather backpack, not one aimed at the youth market. You can't age out of them.

Blogger Bodo Staron October 22, 2016 12:46 PM  

What must Allen think about the Pope. That guy follows only himself! https://twitter.com/Pontifex/following

I'm grateful that Vox responds to e-mails, he once sent me a free copy of his debate with Dr. Miller, which is very interesting and made me understand his argument.






Anonymous kfg October 22, 2016 12:46 PM  

Purses were invented by and for men, because men have to carry money and tools around.

Women started carrying purses to show that they were "strong and independent," and "didn't need no man."

Citified, metrosexual men then stopped carrying purses to show that they were useless (i.e. had "people" to do things for them).

Carrying a bag doesn't show that you're a woman (unless it's some girly fashion bag), it shows that you're one of the men who gets real shit done.

If you're really worried about it you can always get a mall ninja "operator's" bag that screams "I have gun!"

But otherwise, get whatever and carry whatever is functional for you and don't worry about it. You've gotten several good recommendations already.

Personally, if I'm going out high speed, low drag, but loaded for bear I carry a Maxpedition Lunada, but I'm non-motorized cavalry.

If I expect to be coming home loaded for provisioning, I like a sporterized doctor's bag, but there don't seem to be any on the market at the moment. Perhaps a regular doctor's bag will work better for you anyway.

Blogger Boko Harambe October 22, 2016 12:57 PM  

I rather like the smaller bike messenger bags. Recently bought one to replace my lost favorite, a Polish army magazine pouch. Had the Eagle stenciled on the inside flap. I'm pissed it's gone, it was perfect for the purposes you indicate.

Anonymous Stickwick October 22, 2016 12:57 PM  

That’s some top quality spazzing. With an unstable woman, at least you have the possibility of crazy sex before she boils the rabbit. But what’s the up side of working with a guy who acts like this?

Blogger James Jones October 22, 2016 12:59 PM  

Where can I find a good guide to each of the socio-sexual statuses?

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 12:59 PM  

work? "Work" has to be the wrong word. You enjoy it too much for it to be called "work"

Work is supposed to be enjoyable, or at least satisfying. If it isn't, then you're doing it wrong.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 22, 2016 1:00 PM  

Despite a search (which brought up a lot about wheat and currency), I am still in the dark about what a "bulgar" is in this context.  Anyone care to share a link?

Blogger James Jones October 22, 2016 1:01 PM  

Stickwick.

Not only did you use a derivative of my favorite word, Spastic, but this...

'the possibility of crazy sex before she boils the rabbit'

Freaking hilarious line.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 1:06 PM  

@ James Jones, try Alpha Game but not on mobile.

Anonymous Jurist October 22, 2016 1:10 PM  

I just read the exchange on AG. As much as this Allen guy is a toxic loser, you, Vox, have to admit you invited this by coming across as a caustic prick. If you consider yourself alpha (I don't know that you do), you severely lack the charisma and magnanimity of a winsome alpha like Trump.

A scorched-earth policy, while typically effective, is never attractive; likewise some of your methods. Consider trying a little carrot to go with the stick.

Blogger Johnny October 22, 2016 1:10 PM  

@33

>>Women started carrying purses to show that they were "strong and independent," and "didn't need no man."

Could be. I always thought it was not liking pockets.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 1:13 PM  

Despite a search (which brought up a lot about wheat and currency), I am still in the dark about what a "bulgar" is in this context. Anyone care to share a link?

It appears to be a Baba Vanga reference, who I never heard of until now.

Blogger Russell October 22, 2016 1:14 PM  

Stickwick wrote:That’s some top quality spazzing. With an unstable woman, at least you have the possibility of crazy sex before she boils the rabbit. But what’s the up side of working with a guy who acts like this?

BWAHAHAHA!

Brütal.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 22, 2016 1:23 PM  

Go have a look at his stuff on AlphaGame. It is epic.

That guy is borderline mentally ill.

Blogger Phil Mann October 22, 2016 1:27 PM  

Here in Seattle, the number of grown men (who really ought to know better) walking around with huge, overstuffed backpacks has to be seen to be believed. (And you wouldn't believe the number of gray ponytails hanging from the backs of otherwise bald heads you see around here too, but that's another matter.)

For me, a classic, soft-sided leather briefcase, carried in the hand, not hung from a shoulder strap, has always worked. The phone goes in a pocket. Sunglasses can be hung around your neck if you have nowhere else to put them. If you carry a sidearm, a proper holster is the only sensible choice, and ditch the water bottle. Seriously, who can't find water when needed? (And if you actually are going where lack of water is a real concern, wouldn't you want to bring far more than one bottle anyway?)

Anonymous Jack Amok October 22, 2016 1:27 PM  

Dumbass drama queens who think the world revolves around them. This guy is bad even for a gamma though. With interpersonal skills like he showed, I'm not surprised he's a freelancer. Hard to keep a steady job when you can't deal with other people.

Don't let the Alpha hire a hot secretary...

What the hell does anything think secretaries are for? Keeps the guy from getting in trouble with a career-minded chick somewhere else in his organization.

Anonymous Jurist October 22, 2016 1:29 PM  

Borderline? Maybe the first couple of responses would evinces borderline. The meltdown, followed by seeking new venues on which to attack Vox, definitely take 'Allen' well past the border. That's please-medicate territory!

Anonymous kfg October 22, 2016 1:29 PM  

@42: " I always thought it was not liking pockets."

Women's clothing doesn't have pockets because their pockets were traditionally on their aprons. Since women have stopped doing anything useful, they no longer wear aprons.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 1:34 PM  

If you consider yourself alpha (I don't know that you do)

No, he's sigma. His "followers" are all self-starters.

I always thought it was not liking pockets.

You are so close. What do pockets inhibit the display of?

Anonymous Daniel H October 22, 2016 1:38 PM  

OT, but you will love this story, because science.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/oct/22/nonsense-paper-written-by-ios-autocomplete-accepted-for-conference

Anonymous Jack Amok October 22, 2016 1:38 PM  

A backpack isn't juvenile, unless it has Spiderman or Lightening McQueen on it. It's a utilitarian device. I'd much rather have a backpack on than have my pockets stuffed with crap or have to hold onto a brief case.

Blogger S1AL October 22, 2016 1:39 PM  

"Carrying a bag doesn't show that you're a woman (unless it's some girly fashion bag), it shows that you're one of the men who gets real shit done."

Uh-huh. Sure, buddy. Nice purse.

Anonymous kfg October 22, 2016 1:43 PM  

"What do pockets inhibit the display of?"

That's why the pocket bearing apron is an outer garment.

Anonymous kfg October 22, 2016 1:45 PM  

"Nice purse."

Thanks. I got it on sale.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 1:52 PM  

NOT calling myself a Sigma here, but I do this all the damn time at work, without even intending to. I am simply too damned naive with the inter-departmental political bullshite.

@22 Michael Maier
My impression is that a Sigma is often assumed to be a Gamma or a higher-functioning Omega at first glance, but then people get horribly confused because he acts completely different from how they expect. Understandable, since Gammas and Omegas are much more common than Sigmas, and the Sigma fries their social computation circuits, so to speak. Gammas who earlier assumed he was one of them and befriend him later decide to fall away (often signaling this to the Sigma via some nasty slight), whereas attractive women are surprised that he isn't "scared" of them (whatever that means). Men think he's a weirdo, women think he's a hawt weirdo, which is confusing because weirdos aren't supposed to be hawt.

Entertainment ensues. Prime example: VD having women who reject him pursuing him in tears asking why he brushed them off as if it was no big deal.

Anonymous Ironsides October 22, 2016 1:55 PM  

Carrying a briefcase or similar is abysmal. Backpack or messenger bag are about the only ways to go, IMO, if you're hauling around a bunch of stuff. I wouldn't trust pockets unless they button shut; I've had my phone in a pocket and had it pop over when I've bent to pick something up, gotten into a car, gotten out of a car, etc. If that happens and you don't notice until 30 minutes later, you're out the price of a phone.

Backpack is okay provided that you don't need to use any of the stuff you're carrying that often (in which case, it's open to question whether it's worth carrying it anyway). I don't see much alternative to a messenger bag if you've got a lot of items to carry and you need them accessible.

Pistols, of course, should be holstered, so that you can actually draw and use them if you have to, rather than fumbling in a bag.

As for how it looks -- who the fuck cares? If you're not flouncing and mincing, you're not telegraphing "fag" except to a few jackasses with nothing better to do -- "let the ill think ill," as George MacDonald Fraser put it in the "Flashman" novels. As long as it doesn't drive off women, who cares what other people think about details of your appearance that are none of their business to begin with?

Anonymous Jurist October 22, 2016 1:55 PM  

Aha, SciVo, identifying VD as Sigma makes much more sense. I just had to review the nomenclature again.

Blogger Phil Mann October 22, 2016 1:56 PM  

I'd much rather have a backpack on than have my pockets stuffed with crap or have to hold onto a brief case.

Fair enough, Jack, I suppose it does depend on the circumstances and where you're going. But if it is "crap," why are you hauling it around in the first place? I'd like to know what's in some of these backpacks I see. (OTOH, maybe I wouldn't...)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 2:00 PM  

What a bunch of mincing ...pansies.
What would your grandfather have carried?

Why are you carrying so much stuff that you need a carrier for it? If you're travelling, use luggage. If you're trekking the wild woods, use a backpack. If you need to carry tools, use a toolbox. If you need to carry papers, a briefcase or attache case. If, for unexplainable reasons, you need to carry water about to satisfy your ever-raging thirst, or you are crossing an arid wasteland, a canteen.

Any proper suitcoat has a pocket with room for a book, or electronic device which substitutes. Your gun goes in a pocket or in a holster. Swords are properly hung from the shoulder, although the sloppy habit of hanging them from a belt is permitted among pirates and revolutionaries.

That's it, those are your options.

If that's not sufficient, you are carrying too much crap.

Anonymous Jurist October 22, 2016 2:02 PM  

In the Pacific Northwest, backpacks signal that you're outdoorsy or that you commute by bicycle. Elsewhere, they send a bit of an 'I'm a schoolboy who comes home for lunch with Mom' vibe. Pragmatic AF, though....

Blogger BunE22 October 22, 2016 2:09 PM  

If "Allen" isn't, or wasn't, a woman I would be shocked. The behavior is so female, from being insulted at being ignored, to carrying on like a scorned lover, to stalking you on other media.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 2:17 PM  

Ironsides wrote:As for how it looks -- who the fuck cares? If you're not flouncing and mincing, you're not telegraphing "fag" except to a few jackasses with nothing better to do

Aww, the man with a purse just called me a fag. That's so adorable.

Think of the faggots, Ironsides. How will they find their fellows if all you ostensible heterosexuals are carrying purses?

Blogger Harsh October 22, 2016 2:21 PM  

We have a couple of those specimens in my department. It's a daily battle to fight the urge to pound one of them into dust.

Blogger joe b October 22, 2016 2:24 PM  

Have to admit the first time I read his emails from a Dropbox on gab I was surprised he posted because they showed him to be both wrong and unhinged. The second time I read them along with commentary in your blogs I had to laugh because he was so triggered by one sentence that he has devoted a week of his life to following you around and researching whether you're an alpha (you're not) or your wife exists based on his mistaken read of your response. Top kek indeed.

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Anonymous #8601 October 22, 2016 2:24 PM  

@33 - Women started carrying purses to show that they were "strong and independent," and "didn't need no man."

Indeed, women can handle themselves just fine and are easily as strong as men. Just look at the latest movies. I saw the new Jack Reacher film yesterday, which of course featured a kick-ass female soldier. And prior to the movie, 3 of the 4 trailers were about girl warriors. One was the new Wonder Women flick, Another was the next Star Wars with that girl jedi. Can't remember the third but it was just as bad.

I knew (((Hollywood))) was trying to shove this crap down our throats but come on. This is getting crazy.

Anonymous kfg October 22, 2016 2:27 PM  

"If that's not sufficient, you are carrying too much crap."

In general I agree with you and wouldn't have any particular problem with doing a 72 hour bugout in the woods with what I can carry in my pockets. Without overstuffing the pockets.

But another five pounds of stuff would make it more pleasant.

Blogger Harsh October 22, 2016 2:31 PM  

Well, Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus and pretty darn hot to boot, so that's forgivable.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 2:36 PM  

Bugging out qualifies as either traveling or trekking.

Honestly, what is the difficulty some men seem to have with leaving all that crap behind? It's modern America. Our great-great grandparents crossed half a continent on foot and set up homes and thriving communities with less stuff than many people feel the need to carry on their persons, let alone in their cars.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 22, 2016 2:41 PM  

I read the emails, and I don't know, maybe it's just me, but Allen Ayler sounds like a chick, could he be?...or maybe that's what gammas sound like.

Anonymous polyhedron October 22, 2016 2:42 PM  

That exchange was breathtakingly painful. But is it gamma-ness we see or pathology? Or is it that gamma is by definition pathological?

Blogger Doom October 22, 2016 2:43 PM  

Yeah, whatever about Whositz. Just this response was... worth it all to me. Laughing, crying, pointing fingers... what a joy. While you have the pickets in their place, there are always a few who roam the known spectrum, and perhaps beyond. Those are probably excluded, when realized. Still, all good. Keep up the cat herding, it seems to suit you well.

Anonymous BGKB October 22, 2016 2:43 PM  

Not sure what RuBio is but with him cucking about not using WikiLeaks against the left so they wont use them against the GOPe, leftist shitlib media, are claiming TRUMPs son has not paid for a lemonade in years, even multiple stories about it on yahoo. $6billion disappears into hILLary's cunt while secretary, no biggie. The left not only use whatever they can they make things up as seen in the project VERITAS videos.

steer the Sigma's idiosyncracies in a direction where he'll help the organization rather than harm it.

Since sigma's will be more likely to notice a pattern of fraud, should they be placed somewhere that they will find fraud/embezzling if it occurs, or somewhere that it will be harder for them to notice?

not only sabotage others, they also tend to sabotage themselves. But I have seldom seen a Gamma sabotage

You might want to consider adding that trait to lambda. If I had a silver dime for every time I let someone chose a place to go out to eat/shop that had their ex working at it.

So it's either look like a middle age kid with a backpack, or an effeminate hipster faggot with a man purse

You could look like a mall ninja with a tacticool bag or have the ZFG self confidence to go with what you want. If you have a wife/kids buy your self a "worlds best husband/dad" and live up to it. You could also find a leatherworker to make you a double bandolier with pouches. Maybe get a A1c blood test to see if you are heading towards diabetes if you find yourself always thirsty.

Think of the faggots, Ironsides. How will they find their fellows if all you ostensible heterosexuals are carrying purses?

I would say we have social media now but apparently that didn't work for the nigger cop who raped 2 men the day after he was involved in a fatal shooting. http://www.vdare.com/posts/the-cop-who-shot-sylville-smith-in-milwaukee-setting-off-blm-riots-turns-out-to-be-a-black-gay-rapist-allegedly-for-legal-reasons

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus October 22, 2016 2:46 PM  

He didn't come across as a caustic prick to me. He set some ground rules and then moved on to talking business. He was blunt, but the fact that Allen went completely insane for days over it shows that he read the guy right. The guy *did* have an attitude. If Vox had been conflict-averse he could have ended up with a genuine lunatic on the project. It's funny now, but a blowup like this from a volunteer after he has responsibilities can be a real hassle.

If the guy weren't a headcase, he would've thought "that followup email must have come off wrong" and let it slide -- either that or just wrote back "I don't think this would be a good fit, thanks for getting back to me" and forgotten about it.

I've volunteered on things. You get there, it's chaos, and somebody busy is abrupt with you. It's not personal. You're not the only one demanding his time.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen October 22, 2016 2:47 PM  

> What a bunch of mincing ...pansies.

Looking good, Saul. If only David and Jonathan had you around.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 22, 2016 2:49 PM  

This came to mind when reading:

https://youtu.be/nnhvnuXAUp4

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 2:52 PM  

and Omegas are going to get themselves accused of sexual harassment.

Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?

Blogger Mighty Lou October 22, 2016 2:53 PM  

Interesting that he chose SJWAL to leave a negative review.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 2:55 PM  

Try to steer the Sigma's idiosyncracies in a direction where he'll help the organization rather than harm it.

Hey look, the competition is making sandcastles! Why don't you take a walk in that direction and you know, strike up a little conversation, just be true to yourself, you know?

Anonymous BGKB October 22, 2016 2:59 PM  

Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals

Somewhere on MILOs channel he explains it. There is a ginger on stage with in in the video.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 22, 2016 3:00 PM  

You can look at stuff like the 'Alpha Jacket':
http://www.breachbangclear.com/the-scottevest-alpha-jacket-and-brad-thor/

It's over the top and over the top expensive, but there are other people who make more reasonable multi-pocket tacticool light jackets with all the fixin's.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 22, 2016 3:01 PM  

To me the most interesting part of the exchange is the emotional meltdown that pops up seemingly out of nowhere. This Gamma acts very much like a strong, empowered woman who is so insecure that she drops F-bomb laden rants when the barrista makes a small error on her mocha-java-two-shots-caramel-cinnamon-dusted-almond-milk blob in a cup.

It's like he's walking around expecting a slight or an offense at any second, so the emotional torrent is already preloaded. That's narcissistic.

Anyway, once again we see that Gamma's act like a lot like spoiled bitchy women. Therefore we have a model for how to treat them.

Need to study the initial response a little closer to get a whiff of what is exactly "off" there, for my own future reference.

Blogger The Kurgan October 22, 2016 3:04 PM  

Jurist.
It doesn't matter what VD is. What matters is to keep SJWs, AND MODERATES out. Especially moderates. Moderates are poison in the trenches. For my money they need to be shot first and used as sandbags.
Anyone not fully on board should be promptly tossed.
Moderates are not gonna build anything.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 3:04 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:and Omegas are going to get themselves accused of sexual harassment.

Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?


My brother has the same problem. It's because he's big, fit, and has a babyface.

Blogger S1AL October 22, 2016 3:04 PM  

"Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?"

It's the man-purse.

But seriously, male homosexuals are still men. Knowing nothing else, I'd guess you're baby-faced with a mustache. That question can't really be answered without context.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:05 PM  

Johnny wrote:Maintaining appearances even as I am a slight cross dresser.

Lol, hate to break this to you dude but this is an "either-or" kinda thing. That shit is bad for you, if you can't cut it out of your life entirely keep it in the bedroom, there's something about that fetish that ruins lives unlike anything else I've seen.

Anonymous Type 5 October 22, 2016 3:06 PM  

@41 - As much as this Allen guy is a toxic loser, you, Vox, have to admit you invited this by coming across as a caustic prick.

Of course he did. That was the point. The guy was posturing. Rather than overlooking it or being passive-aggressive about it in some way, Vox addressed the issue head on. Someone who plays games will always perceive someone who's direct as a prick.

Anonymous Mr. Helpful October 22, 2016 3:07 PM  

@78 Aeoli Pera
Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?

No clue. Here's some ideas.
You're a Nice Guy who will talk with anyone, and they read that wrong?

You're a Sigma who gives off confusing signals?

You need to come out of the closet?

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:10 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:and Omegas are going to get themselves accused of sexual harassment.

Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?


My brother has the same problem. It's because he's big, fit, and has a babyface.


Guilty as charged. Plus red hair, and I've noticed that "hot redhead" pulls up a lot of male pics on image search. Damn, that was quick!

Also very hairy, I think some of them get excited about that and those are the more vocal ones (selection bias), but that might be going a bit far with the pattern-matching.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 3:10 PM  

Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?

They're predators, therefore you're presenting as prey. That is normal for aspies, who tend to be affable. You need Delta Man's series on Alpha Game.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 3:11 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Need to study the initial response a little closer to get a whiff of what is exactly "off" there, for my own future reference.
It's the attitude. Instead of "Hey did you get my email?" or even "Do you need graphics guys right now or should I come back later? it was
So how about dignify me with a response. "Yes, no, moved on, found someone else, my work sucks, my work is fantastic, you're a pick," anything will do.
"Why are you disrespecting and attacking me??!?!?!?!?"

He's 1)entitled 2)emotionally incontinent 3) aggressive about 1 & 2. He assumes that he's being treated with disrespect when that's not at all on the table. Yet. And he's already being an asshole about it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 22, 2016 3:15 PM  

When it comes to carrying "stuff" I gots to ask, "what stuff, where, what's it for?" because differences matter. Someone in upper Minnesota might not need the same stuff as someone in lower Arizona.

Call it " Yuper vs. Yuma".

Generally if you need it, you should try to have it on your person, because if you're carrying it off your body you won't always have it with you. Carrying it off your body in an outer garment is better than carrying it off your body in a pouch or box. Carrying it off your body in a pouch or box is better than carrying it in a trunk or a saddlebag.

Be aware that the world has more and more metal detectors, not just airports or court houses but even museums, tourist attractions like the new World Trade Center and the Eiffel Tower, amusement parks. Have a plan for those situations.

Forget fanny packs. In some zones they scream "Tourist! Rob me!" and in other zones they scream "Gun! I have a gun!". Unless you are a fat lesbian, then it's normal.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:17 PM  

In contrast to "hot redhead", "hot blonde" is all chix.

Mr. Helpful wrote:You're a Nice Guy who will talk with anyone, and they read that wrong?

Good point, I hadn't thought about it from the angle of men mistaking nice for flirting. "Nice" is a bad habit for me that I've been trying to break for years (in person, obviously not on the internet).

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 22, 2016 3:17 PM  

@92 Snidely

Good analysis, the entitlement is there right from the start, just barely below the surface. That's what I was not seeing.

Blogger S1AL October 22, 2016 3:17 PM  

"So how about dignify me with a response."

That's all you needed to see to know what comes next. He's claiming to be the aggrieved party before anything has even happened. That's the universal tell.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:23 PM  

The Kurgan wrote:Jurist.

It doesn't matter what VD is. What matters is to keep SJWs, AND MODERATES out. Especially moderates. Moderates are poison in the trenches. For my money they need to be shot first and used as sandbags.

Anyone not fully on board should be promptly tossed.

Moderates are not gonna build anything.


You're a man after my own heart. When I rule the world you shall be Grand Inquisitor.

Blogger SirHamster October 22, 2016 3:25 PM  

PseudoCrusader

Amusing to match the behavior to the self-selected handle here.

Wants to be a Crusader, but isn't. The real ones made it to Jerusalem and actually fought the enemy.

Anonymous Peter #0231 October 22, 2016 3:26 PM  

Has he been spammed? I was looking forward to him being here and spreading the love.

Sigh, it's so hard to find decent trolls these days.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 3:26 PM  

@Aeoli Pera @Mr. Helpful

Homos prey on broken men, so they tend to zero in on nice, naive-looking Omegas (and Gammas too, to a lesser extent).

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:27 PM  

Thanks also S1AL and SciVo for answers to inquiry, I have a good mental picture for this now.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:29 PM  

Male predator model gives credence to the germ spreading theory of homosexuality. Hrm.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 3:30 PM  

You're a Sigma who gives off confusing signals?

@89 Mr. Helpful
Actually, Sigmas are hit on more by lesbians than gay men.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:32 PM  

Also explains expansion of faggotry in imperial end times, because more broken men.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:34 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:You're a Sigma who gives off confusing signals?

@89 Mr. Helpful

Actually, Sigmas are hit on more by lesbians than gay men.


Dammit, there goes my worldview again. How does this make any sense?

Anonymous LastRedoubt October 22, 2016 3:35 PM  

@Ironsides

As for how it looks -- who the fuck cares? If you're not flouncing and mincing, you're not telegraphing "fag" except to a few jackasses with nothing better to do -- "let the ill think ill," as George MacDonald Fraser put it in the "Flashman" novels. As long as it doesn't drive off women, who cares what other people think about details of your appearance that are none of their business to begin with?

The problem with the "retro" look hipsters have with the bowties, jackets, plaid, glasses, beards, etc. isn't that they wear them, it's how they fucking carry themselves. Precisely that - mincing, afraid of their shadow, hunched, sensitive-looking.

A nice leather strapped briefcase I can sling, my laptop bag, or quality knapsack, are fine if you carry yourself like you know what the hell you're doing there.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 3:36 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Actually, Sigmas are hit on more by lesbians than gay men.
Oh dear God, that happens to other men too? I thought it was just me.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 3:38 PM  

Actually, I've got it. The lesbian can't fit the Sigma in a box, therefore thinks "he's different" (from the other men), which is used post-hoc to explain why desiring his male company is okay (and not disgusting like those other men). If the lesbian has intimately known multiple Sigmas beforehand (unlikely), then she'd have a box to put him in and reject him.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 3:57 PM  

Well, I'm solidly beta, so that doesn't work for me.

Blogger Teri October 22, 2016 4:02 PM  

Check out Tom Bihn. The stuff is not cheap but has a lifetime guarantee. I'm not a guy but I've been using the Cafe Bags for a long time. They also have briefcases, backpacks and something called the Makers Bag that might work for you.

Anonymous kfg October 22, 2016 4:08 PM  

". . . court houses . . . tourist attractions like the new World Trade Center and the Eiffel Tower, amusement parks. Have a plan for those situations."

After having experienced some of that, my plan has been to avoid them. For the past 15 years or so, so far, so good.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 4:11 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Well, I'm solidly beta, so that doesn't work for me.

Shit. Back to the meme mines with me I guess.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen October 22, 2016 4:16 PM  

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

If anyone is so homophobic as to be afraid of looking like a fag, Leviticus 20:36 has the solution, if one has the stones.

Blogger S1AL October 22, 2016 4:20 PM  

Well, someone's triggered about his man-purse.

Anonymous Ironsides October 22, 2016 4:21 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Ironsides wrote:As for how it looks -- who the fuck cares? If you're not flouncing and mincing, you're not telegraphing "fag" except to a few jackasses with nothing better to do

Aww, the man with a purse just called me a fag. That's so adorable.


Actually, I didn't, unless you're owning up to carrying a "murse" yourself after attacking all and sundry on here about using them (which I doubt) AND flouncing and mincing (which I also doubt). Actually, I didn't call you anything, considering that I was making a general statement of "who gives a fuck," but I guess you've gotta flaunt your inner gamma by making everything about you, personally. Not that I give a shit, knock yourself out.

LastRedoubt wrote:@Ironsides

The problem with the "retro" look hipsters have with the bowties, jackets, plaid, glasses, beards, etc. isn't that they wear them, it's how they fucking carry themselves. Precisely that - mincing, afraid of their shadow, hunched, sensitive-looking.

A nice leather strapped briefcase I can sling, my laptop bag, or quality knapsack, are fine if you carry yourself like you know what the hell you're doing there.


That's pretty much it. Unless someone's going with actual female clothing, it's generally bearing that separates the men from the fairies.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 4:23 PM  

Lesbians probably find the same men attractive as straight women do, so I could see them liking both Sigma and Beta. Not sure about Alphas -- they together with Delta may exemplify too closely the masculine archetype that they have rejected. Maybe there are Alphas here who can clarify matters.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 4:23 PM  

Teri wrote:Check out Tom Bihn. The stuff is not cheap but has a lifetime guarantee. I'm not a guy but I've been using the Cafe Bags for a long time. They also have briefcases, backpacks and something called the Makers Bag that might work for you.
Designer bags are so much more masculine than the off-the-rack trash from Penny's. The Cafe Bag is particularly butch. And the Maker Bag, what's effeminate about that?

Blogger Ezekiel October 22, 2016 4:33 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:VFM #7634 wrote:You're a Sigma who gives off confusing signals?

@89 Mr. Helpful

Actually, Sigmas are hit on more by lesbians than gay men.


Dammit, there goes my worldview again. How does this make any sense?

Odd, I would get hit on by the resident faggots in high school (and surprisingly high-status black girls, something that still ain't entirely uncommon), but nowadays I'll get hit on by lesbians whereas I seem to scare away the blacks and the gays. Them knowing about my medieval philosophical beliefs (i.e. that I wouldn't mind them being burned at the stake) doesn't seem to dissuade them, but then everyone who posts here could assume as much.

Having grown a psycho-living-alone-in-the-woods beard during my time as, well, a psycho living alone in the woods might account for that. The fact that I live in a state (Alabama) where unwanted same-sex flirtation warrants a beatdown might also explain why only the girls are so forthcoming.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 22, 2016 4:35 PM  

Need to study the initial response a little closer to get a whiff of what is exactly "off" there, for my own future reference.

I might be seeing it in hindsight since Vox had already described the guy before I read it, but even his initial email raises a flag.

"Hey there, yea so, "

Yea, so. By way of volunteering to do work. Approach anxiety, anyone?

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 4:38 PM  

@Jack Amok

Sounds a bit like Bill Lumbergh from Office Space, another solid Gamma.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren October 22, 2016 4:42 PM  

"Despite a search (which brought up a lot about wheat and currency), I am still in the dark about what a "bulgar" is in this context. Anyone care to share a link?"

The Bulgars were a Turkic people, as I recall.

Don't know how much use a blind one will be however...

Anonymous Tanjil Bren October 22, 2016 4:53 PM  

"This guy is an idiot/social retard. Surely there is a place below 'gamma' for this specimen."

I'd bet a significant sum on SJW infiltrator.

(This was something I wondered about when I first put my hand up: how to screen for moles. That said, Vox was very polite to me and I appreciated the time he took to respond.)

The immediate assumption that the delayed response was personal spoke volumes; the unhinged meltdown merely confirmed things.

I'm guessing the mentally unbalanced aspect is probably part of the package, but I'm still a newcomer to all of this.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen October 22, 2016 4:59 PM  

> Well, someone's triggered about his man-purse.

Manpurses interfere with running and provide a free chokehold. Soldiers don't wear them.

The point of the verse was to be prepared, not obsolete.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren October 22, 2016 5:05 PM  

Stickwick wrote:That’s some top quality spazzing. With an unstable woman, at least you have the possibility of crazy sex before she boils the rabbit. But what’s the up side of working with a guy who acts like this?

I did laugh at this.

Thanks so much.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 5:07 PM  

My personal guess, and that's all it is, on the "getting hit on by lesbians" thing is that I express literally no interest whatsoever. I learned long ago to identify most Lesbians from a fair distance, and as a Christian man I try hard to practice "custody of the eyes". I don't come on to women, I don't flirt, and I don't leer. Although I will confess to being overwhelmed by breasts on more than a few occasions.

Lesbians are still women. Being women, and emotionally damaged women at that, this bothers and subconsciously attracts them. Since I don't trigger their fear or hatred of men, they sometimes can't shut down the response reflexively.

Blogger Daniel October 22, 2016 5:47 PM  

good thing he is out. These kind od people rottens everything

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus October 22, 2016 6:18 PM  

S1AL wrote:"So how about dignify me with a response."

That's all you needed to see to know what comes next. He's claiming to be the aggrieved party before anything has even happened. That's the universal tell.


So how about bow and scrape before my Glorious Shining Self. (That's an order, not a question.) Bring me your attention (it's been NINE DAYS!!!), your praise, your nourishing supply for my narcissism, for you must acknowledge that I am your Secret King. Behold the awesome gifts of web design your King shall deign to bestow upon you, little one. But you must act soon, for I am now nine days past an aggrieved King Victim.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 22, 2016 6:43 PM  

The only other alternative I can think of is a man purse.

Four relevant cards (credit, DL, etc.) in my left front pocket. Nothing else. Something bad happens, I'd better be able to outrun them.

Anonymous Jeffro October 22, 2016 6:57 PM  

Air Force helmet bag.

Anonymous Viidad October 22, 2016 7:02 PM  

Why do gamma types always jump into a string of filthy language and juvenile invective as soon as their milk gets jostled? I don't get this mentality at all. Calm. Down.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 7:24 PM  

@118 Ezekiel
Gay men and black women will sometimes flirt with any man just to see if they have a chance with them (translation: they hope that perhaps he's a vulnerable Gamma or Omega), but I suspect that as you too obviously matured into a higher rank they got discouraged enough to not even try, but you started to get the attention of the lesbians.

@125 Snidely
I actually don't treat them any differently from straight women. If they're young, thin, and attractive, I consider them potential targets. But my courtship manner is quite unassuming and reserved but deliberate, which fits with my nature the best. So I could imagine lesbians reacting badly to Alphas, since they can't help but be ostentatious and self-flattering. That would leave Sigmas and Betas as the most able to actually hook them.

Deltas would be invisible to them, and whereas they have ready access to plenty of Gammas in their own social-justice prog circles and may even get into dysfunctional marriages with them for one reason or another (such as, I suspect, Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin, and possibly the Clintons as well), they clearly despise them and view them as tools more than anything else.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 22, 2016 7:28 PM  

@130 Viidad
Why do gamma types always jump into a string of filthy language and juvenile invective as soon as their milk gets jostled? I don't get this mentality at all.

Because they have two settings:

Cringing submission
Barking-mad aggression

Nothing in between. There's no continuum, not even a "normal" setting, there. If I knew more about dogs I could probably offer a better example, but "whipped dog" does come to mind.

Blogger Mountain Man October 22, 2016 7:36 PM  

"Gammas who earlier assumed he was one of them and befriend him later decide to fall away (often signaling this to the Sigma via some nasty slight)"

Being a Sigma I can confirm this. I have had this happen in both employment situations where I worked with a team.
Fortunately, the last eleven years Ive been self employed and haven't had to deal with this passive aggressive behavior too much. Its so pathetic to witness it in grown men.

Anonymous Jurist October 22, 2016 7:39 PM  

Points taken. Whenever Vox gets around to reading this, I'm sure he, too, will put it all in his pipe and smoke it.

Anonymous Ironsides October 22, 2016 7:40 PM  

Tanjil Bren wrote:"Despite a search (which brought up a lot about wheat and currency), I am still in the dark about what a "bulgar" is in this context. Anyone care to share a link?"

The Bulgars were a Turkic people, as I recall.

Don't know how much use a blind one will be however...


Searching for just "bulgar," I also got wheat or Bulgarians.

Searching for "bulgar bag," I got a bunch of results showing ordinary shopping bags and backpacks with "Proud to be Bulgarian" or "I <3 Bulgaria" on them, which I doubt are the container referenced, either.

So now I'm also rather curious about what this object actually is.

Blogger Mountain Man October 22, 2016 7:57 PM  

"He didn't come across as a caustic prick to me. He set some ground rules and then moved on to talking business. He was blunt, "

Gammas always perceive a man being blunt as him being caustic, assholish, prick ( choose the adjective) whereas alphas will appreciate it for what it is .. straight talk. Deltas might consider it a bit harsh but not be offended. No.. its only the gammas that have such sensitive temperaments that they become offended.
I remember at one point in my life I was wood buyer for a large pulp/paper mill. My supplier list was large ( 125 + logging contractors). I dealt with some pretty tough guys. I was known for telling my suppliers the cold hard truth - with no sugar coating. For an occupation where this is not the norm - the guys liked it. ( many gave feedback to me and others to that effect)
I liked all but four of them. The four that I couldn't stand were gammas. One of them in fact was a vicious gossip and badmouthed me incessantly to a wood broker who was close buddies to my boss. One day my boss calls me into the office and says " you need to work on your style...its too blunt, there has been feedback from some of our suppliers about it" . He then went on to "coach" me on essentially how to bullshit my suppliers so that the decisions the mill makes is more palatable to them. I listened, acknowledged and then promptly ignored his stupid advice and continued to do what I had always done. The only difference was to cease all communication ,outside of text messages, to the one gamma gossip.
I hate gammas. The only thing that will fix them is a brutal ass kicking - with no system in place to protect them.

Blogger Eruditionastic October 22, 2016 7:59 PM  

#8601 wrote:Speaking of manliness, I have a question for the Ilk. When you are out walking around, what do you use to carry all your stuff? In the winter, it isn't as much of a problem. My coat has enough pockets to carry sunglasses, phone, water bottle, perhaps a "defensive" item or two, etc. In the summer, I've been using a backpack. However, as one ages, backpacks become somewhat juvenile. The only other alternative I can think of is a man purse.

So it's either look like a middle age kid with a backpack, or an effeminate hipster faggot with a man purse.

Please tell me there is a third option!


Buy a Scottevest Jacket. Either the system 8.0 or the enforcer jacket if you like to carry. You can put a suitcase worth of shit in there and it's invisible.

Anonymous Jurist October 22, 2016 8:00 PM  

Yeh, perhaps I'm asserting my own values on the issue. As a lawyer, I've learned that the best snubs are the least overt. I might have replied "I've been overly busy to respond until now. As much as I appreciate our volunteers, I have limited time and energy to service each volunteer's needs. I appreciate your interest, and I'll be in touch if I can use your assistance."

Such a response is gracious, and it allows you an out if the 'volunteer' gives you the heeby jeebies.

Blogger Mountain Man October 22, 2016 8:03 PM  

"Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?"

If you're very fit/muscular and have above average looks it will happen somewhat regularly. When it happens just laugh and take it as a compliment.. then go pound some pussy.

Anonymous Jurist October 22, 2016 8:05 PM  

Indeed! It's like "You lost me at 'so how about'"

Blogger Mountain Man October 22, 2016 8:08 PM  

"The lesbian can't fit the Sigma in a box, therefore thinks "he's different" (from the other men), which is used post-hoc to explain why desiring his male company is okay "

Ive known a number of lesbian women over the years and gotten along very well with a number of them. In fact there were two who come to mind where the sexual tension between us was very palpable.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren October 22, 2016 8:09 PM  

"So now I'm also rather curious about what this object actually is."

I think you'll find it's just a wry sense of humor at work. The 'object'?

A minion; you have him (or her) carry your stuff for you...

Anonymous Tanjil Bren October 22, 2016 8:16 PM  

Jurist wrote:." Such a response is gracious, and it allows you an out if the 'volunteer' gives you the heeby jeebies.

Under other circumstances I might agree. But this guy's lead in was a huge red flag. I don't blame Vox for going straight for the button push to see which way he'd jump.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 8:17 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Male predator model gives credence to the germ spreading theory of homosexuality. Hrm.

Dude. Vampirism. There's the mental model. It was designed for the very purpose.

This is also why they compulsively statutory rape; that's how they were made. And the Muslims, -stanis and SJWs are sick enough to approve.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 22, 2016 8:30 PM  

Concur that people tend to lug too much stuff around. That being said, a Civil War haversack can be useful...one reason why there are so very few originals left. They were too useable in civilian life.

Anonymous Ironsides October 22, 2016 8:36 PM  

Tanjil Bren wrote:"So now I'm also rather curious about what this object actually is."

I think you'll find it's just a wry sense of humor at work. The 'object'?

A minion; you have him (or her) carry your stuff for you...


A literal Bulgar as a minion? Heh.

(And my inability to grasp that is pretty funny too, at least to me. Talk about walking flatfooted into that one.)

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 9:09 PM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:Male predator model gives credence to the germ spreading theory of homosexuality. Hrm.

Dude. Vampirism. There's the mental model. It was designed for the very purpose.


Now THAT's an interesting line of thought, given that I'd attributed that trope to melonheads.

Anonymous BGKB October 22, 2016 9:27 PM  

there's something about that fetish that ruins lives unlike anything else I've seen.

All the other shitlibs tell them that they will be able to get a STR8 guy to fall in love with them, and that it won't matter. They don't usually have to face reality until they get there stuff cut off.

Aeoli Pera Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?

Hit Milo up on Skype he will explain it to you. How big are your feet.

Also very hairy, I think some of them get excited about that and those are the more vocal ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrlre6HKmWs

Actually, I didn't, unless you're owning up to carrying a "murse" yourself

Murse is a name for a male nurse. Its funny how triggering it can be.

Blogger Ben Cohen October 22, 2016 9:30 PM  

How do you describe a guy who wants to make a contribution to the team, work hard and go home?

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 9:33 PM  

If you're very fit/muscular and have above average looks it will happen somewhat regularly. When it happens just laugh and take it as a compliment.. then go pound some pussy.

@139 Mountain Man
A polite "Dude, I'm not gay" suffices.

How do you describe a guy who wants to make a contribution to the team, work hard and go home?

@149 Ben Cohen
Delta.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 9:40 PM  

Gammas always perceive a man being blunt as him being caustic, assholish, prick ( choose the adjective) whereas alphas will appreciate it for what it is .. straight talk. Deltas might consider it a bit harsh but not be offended. No.. its only the gammas that have such sensitive temperaments that they become offended.

@136 Mountain Man
Yeah, the mentality that if you are in any way Not Nice to them that you're attacking them. My old man (low Delta) is constantly bewildered at the reactions he gets from various Gamma family members.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 22, 2016 9:44 PM  

I'll add that high-functioning people on the introvert spectrum (Sigma -ish) are very good for Red Team activities. Also for work demanding a hard-charging solo performance, if they have the skills. Just be sure to give them the appropriate personal kudos.

Anonymous Pennywise October 22, 2016 10:08 PM  

In reality, no one actually knows if that man is a gamma. And linking to ROK does not do Christian men any favors. Besides, "many women will now respond better to male infidelity than to male fidelity" is mere conjecture; where is the actual evidence?

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

Anonymous Dave October 22, 2016 10:17 PM  

A polite "Dude, I'm not gay" suffices...then go pound some pussy.

Blogger Mountain Man October 22, 2016 10:19 PM  

@150

Yeah the most recent time it happened to me, I was in the gym and the guy starts to "small talk " me. He was a face I had never seen before. He says " Im from Montreal - you ever visit there?" I said " yup - last time some buddies and I went up to the strip clubs.. the one with females. Im a big fan of beavers and titties ". He goes " gotcha" and walked away.

Anonymous BGKB October 22, 2016 10:24 PM  

If you have large feet and wear sandals male models will come up to talk to you.

Blogger slarrow October 22, 2016 10:58 PM  

I do love that most of the conversation here has been about what to carry your stuff in and Sigma/lesbian dynamics. That's the Gamma fate: not even the most interesting subject on your own thread.

Blogger Thomas Achord October 22, 2016 10:59 PM  

Where can I learn about this alpha, gamma, lambda male versions?

Anonymous Dave October 22, 2016 11:13 PM  

@158

https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 11:24 PM  

Pennywise wrote:In reality, no one actually knows if that man is a gamma.
Yes we do. No-one not a gamma would react that way. An alpha would appreciate the bluntness. A beta would ask for clarification. A Delta would apologize for pestering. Only a gamma would have a 4-day hissy fit and go leave a fake review on Amazon.

And linking to ROK does not do Christian men any favors.
Churchanity much? RoK is not my cup of meat, but the censor liborum was a bad idea to start with.

Besides, "many women will now respond better to male infidelity than to male fidelity" is mere conjecture; where is the actual evidence?
Let me guess, you are female? Because it is directly observable in many women. There is no low of venality, pettiness or narcissism that some woman hasn't achieved.
He's not talking about you, sweetheart.

Blogger SciVo October 22, 2016 11:41 PM  

Now THAT's an interesting line of thought, given that I'd attributed that trope to melonheads.

Well either way you're wrong, since it's also hypothetically about communism.

But I really have a singular hypothesis, given the crony socialist proclivities of the globohomo cartel.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 11:44 PM  

SciVo wrote:But I really have a singular hypothesis, given the crony socialist proclivities of the globohomo cartel.
And the damn pedo melonheads

Anonymous BGKB October 23, 2016 12:21 AM  

But I really have a singular hypothesis, given the crony socialist proclivities of the globohomo cartel.

I was too old to join when I graduated high school. There was not a local branch

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 23, 2016 1:17 AM  

BGKB wrote:Aeoli Pera Is there an explanation in the SSMV framework for why I'm a magnet for homosexuals?

Hit Milo up on Skype he will explain it to you. How big are your feet.


Almost exactly average. That would be fun but I doubt I could keep Milo entertained, dude is too quick for me.

Also very hairy, I think some of them get excited about that and those are the more vocal ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrlre6HKmWs


I just learned a number of important lessons, for instance to trust my gut when it's telling me not to click something.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:SciVo wrote:But I really have a singular hypothesis, given the crony socialist proclivities of the globohomo cartel.

And the damn pedo melonheads


Ja, I don't get where the disagreement is here.

Anonymous Laz October 23, 2016 2:28 AM  

"Need to study the initial response a little closer to get a whiff of what is exactly "off" there, for my own future reference."

It was "Hey there, yea so..." on the very first message. Who the hell starts a conversation with somebody they don't know like that?

Blogger Feather Blade October 23, 2016 4:49 AM  

@33 women have always carried purses, except for when they wore pannier-style hoop skirts that they could wear pockets under.

@8 my weapons, one multi tool, and a small magnetic card folio go on their own belt, everything else gets carried in a durable leather belt bag whose strap closes with a detachable clip (the kind that you find on a backback's chest strap, for example)

Blogger Steampunk Koala October 23, 2016 5:33 AM  

RabidRatel wrote:Steampunk Koala wrote:Now if only we could make this core education curriculum...

Since you should be homeschooling your kids, adding SJW's Always Lies and Gorilla Mindset as required reading shouldn't be too hard. Martin van Creveld for the sons.


In my case certainly, but I was speaking more broadly about society. I encourage everyone in my social circles to include those books in their personal readings, but there's a lot of people I don't know.

Blogger wreckage October 23, 2016 6:04 AM  

"Basically what it says is, "I am important than you.""

The project lead, let alone the financier, ARE ABSOLUTELY MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU. If you can't eat a bit of shit from the boss, you are not going to last long as a contractor, unless you are fuckin' STELLAR.

A case study in why you need to throw a bit of shit people's way right at the outset. I'd hate to have this maniac interacting directly with a client.

Blogger Lovekraft October 23, 2016 9:40 AM  

It's about neutralizing entryism, and sending messages. Don't get lost in the details. Waste of time. Vox has conditions and if they aren't met, buh bye.

Notice the same with Hilary's latest women-appeal? Feminists and their masters don't want clear rules. That would neutralize them.

Push the conditions first. Unless that's done, you've left an opening. For example: ALL interactions with any woman are to be in the open, with witnesses (until they've demonstrated their trustworthiness).

Feminism-focused but can be applied to any situation. They are targeting us and only the naive think otherwise.

Blogger Lovekraft October 23, 2016 9:41 AM  

Is this bag/purse thread a metaphor for how the alt-right should pare down its wants/needs? Hm.

Anonymous Pennywise October 23, 2016 12:32 PM  

To dear Snidely...

"Yes we do. No-one not a gamma would react that way."

No, you don't. You artificially create a hierarchy and shoehorn men you don't even know into categories simply based on a post made on the Internet.

"An alpha would appreciate the bluntness. A beta would ask for clarification. A Delta would apologize for pestering. Only a gamma would have a 4-day hissy fit and go leave a fake review on Amazon."

These terms mean something ONLY to the creators of this artificial hierarchy, which is capricious and arbitrary. It's meant to make you feelz good.

"Churchanity much? RoK is not my cup of meat, but the censor liborum was a bad idea to start with."

Yet another useless term, this "churchanity". Christian men refrain from seeking "advice" from known conveyors of sin.

"Besides, "many women will now respond better to male infidelity than to male fidelity" is mere conjecture; where is the actual evidence?"

Keep disqualifying here. Where is the actual evidence?

"Let me guess, you are female?"

Male.

"Because it is directly observable in many women. There is no low of venality, pettiness or narcissism that some woman hasn't achieved."

That would be men AND women.

Anonymous RabidRatel October 23, 2016 12:44 PM  

Steampunk Koala wrote:but I was speaking more broadly about society.

If a man is not yet red-pilled, his children has already been indoctrinated against him. I didn't homeschool my kids at first, and it is something I bitterly regret. Having your own kids used against you is perhaps one of the greatest victories of the marxists. And yes, I did read Marx when I was sixteen, even though it was banned here at the time, and I could clearly see were it was going to lead to, but I was blinded by my wife's desire to have the kids go to the schools she and her parents went to.

Luckily my son is getting exposed to karasites (dindus without european blood's civilizing influence), so he is slowly getting red-pilled. I am getting him and my son-in-law Gorilla Mindset to make sure the red pill stays down.

Good luck with your outreach to others. I sometimes wish I liked people enough to do some outreach, but that is not me.

Lovekraft wrote:Is this bag/purse thread a metaphor for how the alt-right should pare down its wants/needs? Hm.

It is an interesting development on this thread. I treated it as sort of a joke, not really serious, but some of the guys are really serious about their bags and whatnot.

BTW, for people in countries or cities that outlaw the carrying of even knifes, your local Homedepot (or equivalent) has a wide variety of potentially lethal instruments to choose from. You can't outlaw the carrying of tools without serious repercussions for society.

Anonymous RabidRatel October 23, 2016 12:48 PM  

Pennywise wrote:
That would be men AND women.


Careful there. We would not want you to self-identify as a Gamma now, would we?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 23, 2016 1:40 PM  

@PEnny Wise
1) I'm not your "dear". you can fuck right off
2) Game is an attempt to describe a reality, not make good feels. If a man disagreed with that description, he'd go on and correct it. But your objection is not that it is a bad description, but that we are bad people for uttering it. We have no RIGHT to ascribe a socio-sexual rank to a man based on his behavior.
3)We are allowed to notice behavior patterns.
4)It's strange how you immediately go for the assertion of "feelz" as the impetus of Game.
5) if you examine your own behavior, your own socio-sexual rank, your own attitudes, if you are even capable of assessing them honestly, you run a very real risk of discovering you are exactly the same as Allen Ayler.

Blogger TarjaJu October 23, 2016 2:16 PM  

I checked Gab today, and it seems he's still at it with Spacebunny... O_o I don't understand the end goal of this, I can theorize, but, why do this?

Anonymous RabidRatel October 23, 2016 2:24 PM  

buwaya puti wrote:Also, international site, international readers, even international authors.
Gamma gonna gamma, I guess

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 23, 2016 3:00 PM  

TarjaJu wrote:I checked Gab today, and it seems he's still at it with Spacebunny... O_o I don't understand the end goal of this, I can theorize, but, why do this?
Because being called out causes him physical pain. Because he's a gamma. And because he's a gamma, he's entirely incapable of fixing himself. So instead he has to lash out at the bad bad bad bad bad bad bad people laughing at him.

Blogger VD October 23, 2016 4:33 PM  

No, you don't. You artificially create a hierarchy and shoehorn men you don't even know into categories simply based on a post made on the Internet.

You have it exactly backwards. The hierarchy exists. The behavior exists. These things are observable. The only thing "artificial" is the labels.

Your position is foolish and is akin to insisting that "zebras" and "horses" do not exist because the names are artificial.

Ask yourself this: why does the mere labeling of observed human behavior bother you?

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 23, 2016 5:16 PM  

Maybe my internet search failed me. What are melonheads, if not a northeastern urban legend of disformed people?

Blogger VFM #7634 October 23, 2016 5:37 PM  

Pennywise... an astutely appropriate handle for the latest Gamma to show up here.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus October 24, 2016 12:16 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:No-one not a gamma would react that way. An alpha would appreciate the bluntness. A beta would ask for clarification. A Delta would apologize for pestering. Only a gamma would have a 4-day hissy fit and go leave a fake review on Amazon.

That's tight. Maybe too terse though. Could you explain it in a bit more detail? Sorry to bother you but if I don't hear back I'll have to assume you're a.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 24, 2016 12:28 AM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Because they have two settings:

Cringing submission

Barking-mad aggression

AKA "at your feet or at your throat".  This is not a new phenomenon.

Anonymous Barking-Mad Ratel October 24, 2016 2:55 AM  

@182: AKA "at your feet or at your throat".

Never turn your back on a gamma.
He he he ...

Anonymous Pennywise October 24, 2016 11:07 AM  

To RabidRatel:

“I am getting him and my son-in-law Gorilla Mindset to make sure the red pill stays down.”

Indoctrinating your own kids is perhaps one of the greatest feats by Alt-Righters. To make it palatable, I suggesting use applesauce.

To Snidely:

“1) I'm not your "dear". you can fuck right off”

Careful, honey, we would not want you to self-identify as a gamma now like Allen Ayler ;)

“2) Game is an attempt to describe a reality, not make good feels. If a man disagreed with that description, he'd go on and correct it.”


Game is an effort by men to feelz good about describing what he thinks is their reality about the nature of men. Feel free to utter it, discuss it, present it.
 We don't care.

“But your objection is not that it is a bad description, but that we are bad people for uttering it. We have no RIGHT to ascribe a socio-sexual rank to a man based on his behavior.“

You have every right to ascribe to this theory, just don’t expect much buy in from the general male population. While the hierarchy and behavior exists in the animal kingdom, its application to men is noticeably subjective in nature.


“3)We are allowed to notice behavior patterns.”



Reasoned opinions on apparent patterns of behavior through direct, persistent social contact, rather than wild speculation based primarily on a person’s response on a blog.

“4)It's strange how you immediately go for the assertion of "feelz" as the impetus of Game.”

It's rather odd that you fail to recognize that Game makes men feelz good about their self-described social rank compared to other men.

“5) if you examine your own behavior, your own socio-sexual rank, your own attitudes, if you are even capable of assessing them honestly, you run a very real risk of discovering you are exactly the same as Allen Ayler.”

Thanks for the concern. I’m deeply moved. Perhaps you are a therapist in real life. You ought to be on the late-night television circuit to peddle your wares.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 24, 2016 3:44 PM  

Game is an effort by men to feelz good about describing what he thinks is their reality about the nature of men. Feel free to utter it, discuss it, present it. We don't care.

"What he thinks is their reality"... you don't believe in objective reality, do you?

While the hierarchy and behavior exists in the animal kingdom, its application to men is noticeably subjective in nature.

Cute. What kingdom are men a member of?

That's sort of like when the media pointed out how Jane Goodall thought Trump behaved like an alpha male silverback gorilla as if that was some sort of insult.

It's rather odd that you fail to recognize that Game makes men feelz good about their self-described social rank compared to other men.

You're projecting. We're analyzing, not feelzing.

Thanks for the concern. I’m deeply moved. Perhaps you are a therapist in real life. You ought to be on the late-night television circuit to peddle your wares.

Gamma snark. Gamma projection. Gamma denial of reality and trying to maintain that it's subjective. Gamma pretending to be above it all and to not care. Gamma pilfering of our terms ("We don't care") in inappropriate context.

Come on, this isn't all that difficult.

Anonymous Pennywise October 24, 2016 5:08 PM  

""What he thinks is their reality"... you don't believe in objective reality, do you?"

Only God knows. Do you believe in Christ?

"Cute. What kingdom are men a member of?"

The Kingdom of God, not the Kingdom of Mankind.

"You're projecting. We're analyzing, not feelzing."

You're analyzing via projecting your feelzings.

"Gamma snark. Gamma projection. Gamma denial of reality and trying to maintain that it's subjective. Gamma pretending to be above it all and to not care. Gamma pilfering of our terms ("We don't care") in inappropriate context."

It's other than normal that you describe yourself to me when I did not request your background information.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 24, 2016 8:22 PM  

Only God knows. Do you believe in Christ?

The Kingdom of God, not the Kingdom of Mankind.

There's the proof that you're Gamma. Q.E.D. And Churchian to boot. Q.E.D.

It's other than normal that you describe yourself to me when I did not request your background information.

Uh huh. "You're X." "No, YOU'RE X!!"

How old are you, four?

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