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Monday, October 03, 2016

Brave leads The Disconvergence

An article about Brendan Eich and Brave:
The former CEO of Mozilla has released a new Internet browser called Brave. Brendan Eich, the creator of JavaScript, continues to lead the technological revolution with Brave, an innovative concept in Internet browsers.

After blowing away the competition (read: Microsoft's Internet Explorer) with the Internet browser Firefox, Eich has come up with Brave, a nearly ad-free, lightning-fast browser that eliminates intrusive ads as well as common but unwanted tracking tack-ons.

A tech legend for his JavaScript and Firefox contributions, Eich was betrayed by his contemporaries and forced out of business as CEO of Mozilla, the company behind Firefox, because he supported natural marriage.

When it was revealed in 2014 that Eich donated $1,000 to California’s Proposition 8 ballot proposal, which defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman, he was blackballed, even though Proposition 8 was supported by the majority of Californians and easily passed in 2008.

Eich was publicly shamed because he believed in natural marriage and family. He was openly called a racist, Nazi, and inhumane.

But the tenacious techie didn't give up. Without apology, Eich continued to innovate and ultimately came up with a whole new concept in web browsers: the ad-free, tracking-free, fast internet browser Brave.

In November 2015, Eich raised $2.5 million to create an advanced super-technical team.  By August 2016, the company had raised $4.5 million in seed money to launch the browser.

Brave is called an entirely new way to browse the web without being intrusively tracked, and without time-consuming download ads.
If you're tired of your every online move being overseen and policed by the SJWs in social media, you should seriously consider joining The Disconvergence. Brendan Eich and Brave have led the way, but they're not alone.

I've been on Brave since July and I use it every day. It's very nearly my sole browser; I only have to use Pale Moon for a few minor tasks here and there. It's still pre-release, so it's very much a work-in-progress, but it's already faster and less annoying than either Firebird or Chrome and it has far fewer pauses and crashes than Mozilla Thunderbird.

(A Thunderbird replacement would be my personal vote for the next Alt-Tech target, although I'm sure there are more pressing needs out there.)

So, if you're not on Brave yet, give it a try on your desktop. I don't think the mobile version is quite ready for prime time yet, so I'm still using Pale Moon on Android.

114 Comments:

Blogger The Deuce October 03, 2016 11:35 AM  

Brave is great. The only thing that keeps me from making it my main is that I can't as of yet get it to work with Netflix.

Blogger M. Bibliophile October 03, 2016 11:38 AM  

I've been using it for a couple of months now and my experience mirrors yours. I keep Pale Moon handy for a few minor tasks as well as IE (gag) for work, but otherwise Brave is my primary browser and I couldn't be happier.

I do wish they would come up with something a little more useful for mobile platforms, though, as their current release is so kitschy as to be almost useless.

Anonymous Ironsides October 03, 2016 11:40 AM  

This message is being typed and posted on Brave. What a relief it is after all the other browsers.

And a Thunderbird replacement would be great. My wife uses email clients, and formerly used Outlook Express. It had features which are no longer present in Outlook or Thunderbird, which made it more useful, according to her. I could post some ideas from a highly opinionated email client fanatic ;) if that would help with working out features for something like that.

But yes, Brave is a huge step up even from Pale Moon, IMO. I heartily second this post.

Blogger Mountain Man October 03, 2016 11:41 AM  

Ive been using Startpage for nearly a decade. I'll have to check out Brave.

Fuck Google ! Over the years Ive learned that any company with a motto like " Do No Evil" is going to screw me at some point.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 03, 2016 11:47 AM  

On Android I use Naked Browser. Very fast, small, and doesn't track me.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 03, 2016 11:47 AM  

I would like a larger font but since I am incompetent with computers it is something I can deal with as it is a nice experience otherwise.

Blogger SouthRon October 03, 2016 11:48 AM  

Brave Android has a few nice features:

1. Flick a bubble (tab) left to post it to Facebook or right to share to social media account or elsewhere.

2. Quick access via an icon on at the top of a page to to directly open embedded Youtube videos and types of links in their own app.

3. The Open in Chrome option is great for sites that don't quite work right and it automatically closes the bubble so you don't have to come back and do it manually.

Because Brave draws over other applications, its one anti-feature is that it can get in the way of answering phone calls or responding to other popup notifications.

The desktop version has become my daily driver. Great browser.

Anonymous loki October 03, 2016 11:49 AM  

completely OT heads-up
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/03/obama-see-straight-line-sarah-palin-donald-trump/

President Obama: "There have been at least a couple of other times that I’ve said confidently that the fever is going to have to break, but it just seems to get worse.”

This is how they see us. We Americans are a disease. Our resistance to being replaced by non-assimilating gibsmedat invaders is a fever that they will break.

Blogger Wayne October 03, 2016 11:50 AM  

I've been using Brave for about 6 months and it is very close to being my default desktop browser; maybe a couple of plugins left that aren't supported. I would agree that the mobile version is not a replacement for anything.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 03, 2016 11:50 AM  

My fav browser is Blackberry's. Long live Blackberry! Yeah I know

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 03, 2016 11:51 AM  

I just installed it, I too cannot use it to access netflix. I had tried it a few months ago, but it was not sufficiently developed at that time. It seems much better now.

Blogger Dave October 03, 2016 11:51 AM  

I started using Brave on a Win10 laptop recently and other software and websites identify Brave as chrome; has anybody tried to re-configure Brave to identify as other than chrome? Brave doesn't allow me to make Start Page my default search either.

Haven't checked myself but any useful add-ons for Brave?

Blogger Nxx 14 October 03, 2016 11:54 AM  

Is there a list of alt platforms? The ones I know of are:

voat.co (alt reddit)
gab.ai (alt twitter)
vk.com (alt facebook)
countersearch.net (alt google)
brave.com (alt mozilla)

Anything else? (Besides big fork)

Blogger dc.sunsets October 03, 2016 11:58 AM  


Like @5 I use Naked Browser for Android and am pleased with that, too. Installed Brave about an hour ago. Learning my way around it.

Now I have to get out of Gmail.

Blogger Weouro October 03, 2016 12:08 PM  

I downloaded it and it's true, it's way way faster. The best test case for me was getting on Breitbart with Chrome vs Brave. Breitbart loads like a normal site with Brave.

Anonymous ODG October 03, 2016 12:09 PM  

Is there something about Brave that won't allow the Name/URL commenting to work? Because Brave just ate my last two comment attempts.

Anonymous Lett Gou October 03, 2016 12:11 PM  

Brave user here, too. When I found a problem Tweeting from certain publications, Eich got in touch and walked me through the error reporting. Problem was gone in a week. These people are serious.

Blogger L' Aristokrato October 03, 2016 12:11 PM  

Sorry if this is not the venue to ask, but how is Brave in the add-ons department? The reason i'm forced to stick with Firefox is because no other browser works well with the stff i use.

Blogger jaericho October 03, 2016 12:13 PM  

@15 The problem with Breitbart are the ads. Load up ABP or Ghostery and Breitbart is browsable again.

Blogger Mountain Man October 03, 2016 12:15 PM  

@8
Yup the fever will break when the masses rise up and the overlords are hanging from lampposts

Anonymous BGKB October 03, 2016 12:20 PM  

Brave doesn't allow me to make Start Page my default search either

I have used start page as default for years, is there a similar anti-google that brave accepts?

Our resistance to being replaced by non-assimilating gibsmedat invaders is a fever that they will break.

Somoli refusegees not charged the pittance they pay towards section 8, because the SSDI doesn't pay abroad, when they return to the hell they claim they fled. https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2016/10/01/this-is-insane-taxpayers-pay-rent-for-somalis-who-feel-the-need-to-visit-somalia-for-months/

" Public housing residents in Minneapolis will no longer need to pay their normal monthly rent when travel abroad erases their income, a change particularly sought by East African immigrants....many receive federal Supplemental Security Income, which is halted when the recipient is outside the United States."

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 12:22 PM  

> So, if you're not on Brave yet, give it a try on your desktop.

There's no 32 bit version for Linux, only 64 bit. :(

I may migrate to 64 bits on my next upgrade, but for now I'm 32 bits.

> (A Thunderbird replacement would be my personal vote for the next Alt-Tech target, although I'm sure there are more pressing needs out there.)

Try Claws Mail: http://www.claws-mail.org/
There are versions for both Windows and Linux. It's not the prettiest thing out there, but it's fully functional.

Anonymous Patrik October 03, 2016 12:23 PM  

I love BlackBerry, my heart breaks with the thought of their demise.

On the desktop front though, Brave is great I've been using it near exclusively for months.

Blogger VD October 03, 2016 12:23 PM  

Is there something about Brave that won't allow the Name/URL commenting to work? Because Brave just ate my last two comment attempts.

Yes. Go to Bravery, and on the Site Settings for VP, turn the Shields off. There is nothing here to harm your system. The only scripts are Google, the basic book carousel scripts, and Amazon.

Blogger VD October 03, 2016 12:24 PM  

Try Claws Mail: http://www.claws-mail.org/
There are versions for both Windows and Linux. It's not the prettiest thing out there, but it's fully functional.


Thanks, will check it out.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 12:26 PM  

> I have used start page as default for years, is there a similar anti-google that brave accepts?

Simply set your home page in Brave to startpage.com. I'll have to take a look at the latest version to see if there are any other options.

Blogger Mountain Man October 03, 2016 12:27 PM  

@10
Yup I still use a BB Z-10.. Its been a great phone and is still going strong.

Anonymous LastRedoubt October 03, 2016 12:32 PM  

I'll also second Brave. Tried it a while back but it was still having issues that prevented it from being my default. A month or two back Vox mentioned it was basically his default, so I tried it again.

It too is basically my default, except where I HAVE to deal with Flash or similar - Netflix, etc.

Love it. Clean , simple, plays nice with 1Password and lastpass.

Anonymous ODG October 03, 2016 12:36 PM  

Shields down!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 03, 2016 12:37 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:I would like a larger font but since I am incompetent with computers it is something I can deal with as it is a nice experience otherwise.
In Brave (like most Windows apps) you can step through the available font sizes with the scroll wheel while holding down the CTRL key.

Anonymous ODG October 03, 2016 12:37 PM  

Captcha works better, too, but that could have been due to NoScripts on Pale Moon.

Blogger S. Misanthrope October 03, 2016 12:39 PM  

I haven't tried the tech yet, but I'm just so happy at Eich's persistence. When the whole Prop 8 scandal unfolded, I felt so helpless as I urged my gay and pro-gay friends to remember that the mob would come for them next and that this wasn't justice, no matter your views on gay marriage. Few cared and fewer were willing to oppose the mob publicly. Looking back, it feels like a practice round for being a Trump supporter.

Anyway, go Brave!

Blogger Orville October 03, 2016 12:40 PM  

Just switched. Love the clean and simple menu system.

Best Tools For Men

Anonymous Bob Just October 03, 2016 12:41 PM  

What are the concerns w/ Thunderbird?

I use it w/ OS X and Win 7 & 8 .


Blogger Nate October 03, 2016 12:42 PM  

pale moon is soooooo slow...

Anonymous Recipe October 03, 2016 12:45 PM  

I'm noticing the text isn't as sharp compared to Pale Moon. Any ideas?

Blogger Orville October 03, 2016 12:47 PM  

Just switched. Love the clean and simple menu system.

Best Tools For Men

Anonymous Hoots October 03, 2016 12:47 PM  

I also encourage everyone to turn on Brave Payments. When owners of random blogs start getting notified of available funds they never even solicited, just because people like their content, then people will see the light and flood to Brave. It's a great inexpensive way to support allies and amplify quality content.

Blogger Giraffe October 03, 2016 12:47 PM  

Using it.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 03, 2016 12:48 PM  

I had the Android version at initial release and yes, I didn't think it was ready to storm the Establishment browsers. I hadn't heard that the PC version was so good, though—time to install it and see how it works.

Anonymous mature craig October 03, 2016 12:49 PM  

Sounds like the tenacious techie made a beautiful browser

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 03, 2016 12:50 PM  

I would like a larger font

Use CTRL and + (CTRL and -) to shrink font. Brave will save your size settings for each website you use regularly.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 03, 2016 12:53 PM  

Been using it for quite a while (since vox first mentioned that it was available for download.) I actually liked it a little better when it didn't have all of the plug-in support. It tended to prevent a lot of content I didn't want from loading.

It's still fast but it has slowed down some due to the increased capabilities.

Anonymous Bob Just October 03, 2016 12:53 PM  

Can anyone get

http://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show/

to work w/ Brave?

Anonymous Anonymous October 03, 2016 12:54 PM  

I notice the text is not as sharp compared to Pale Moon. Any ideas (CTRL +/- doesn't change the sharpness)? It's almost as if there's a slight haze to webpages.

Recipe

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 03, 2016 12:54 PM  

S. Misanthrope I felt so helpless as I urged my gay and pro-gay friends to remember that the mob would come for them next and that this wasn't justice

Did any of your gay friends earn enough to not want divorce/alimony law applying to them or were they all the gay equivalent of gold diggers? I would tell people, imagine paying alimony to their worst ex boyfriend.

Anonymous Bob Just October 03, 2016 12:57 PM  

@42 The intro video ad works and then gives
an error

https://snag.gy/Ud0MR7.jpg

Anonymous Anonymous October 03, 2016 12:58 PM  

I'm noticing the text isn't as sharp as say Pale Moon. Almost as if there is some type of haze on webpages. Any ideas?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 03, 2016 12:58 PM  

Second the comments about the Brave team's unusual responsiveness. I started using it months ago and have been with it through many improvements. Every suggestion I've emailed them has been incorporated into the next upgrade.

I only use Chrome for Netflix now. Everything else is Brave.

Blogger Feather Blade October 03, 2016 1:01 PM  

I use Brave on my iPad (if that counts as mobile), and it works just fine for browsing. Commenting, not so much, but I haven't tried adjusting the settings.

Blogger maniacprovost October 03, 2016 1:09 PM  

Brave got noticeably faster over the last few weeks. It's ready for the masses.

Anonymous BluePony October 03, 2016 1:09 PM  

Re: Netflix

Just get one of the current Blu-Ray players for $40. They have Netflix apps built in. I do Netflix, Amazon Prime and Hulu on a $40 Sony unit I got at Target. The remote has a separate Netflix button.

Blogger KSC October 03, 2016 1:13 PM  

It's getting much close to full screen-reader accessibility. Once that happens I'm sure I'll use it a lot.

Blogger Flannel Avenger October 03, 2016 1:14 PM  

I second the desire for a Thunderbird replacement. It's the only Mozilla product I have that enjoys being a default on my system.

Blogger Robert What? October 03, 2016 1:21 PM  

On a side note, can someone explain how companies like PaleMoon and Brave make money? How do you run a profitable business on a product that is given away for free and has no subscription fees?

Anonymous CloseHauled October 03, 2016 1:22 PM  

@15 "downloaded it and it's true, it's way way faster. The best test case for me was getting on Breitbart with Chrome vs Brave. Breitbart loads like a normal site with Brave. "

Breitbart and ZeroHedge are good tests.

Start Task Manager, open up a tab or two in IE on Breitbart and watch the process memory for IE quickly jump in 100MBs until it passes 1 GB.

IE and Chrome have trouble with both these web-sites. Its like someone is buying specifically designed ADs to crash web browsers.


I use Brave at work, home PC, and on my phone. I like it so far.

Blogger Badger Brigadon October 03, 2016 1:23 PM  

Brave is nice, but until it gets a little more polished (and deals with netflix) I am stuck with firefox.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 03, 2016 1:23 PM  

So the problem with Thunderbird is that it is a Mozilla product?

Anonymous ODG October 03, 2016 1:26 PM  

I am surprised to see the memory demands of Brave to be at least twice that of Pale Moon. I was expecting fast AND lean, but I guess it's one or the other.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 03, 2016 1:28 PM  

Been using Brave since it was previously mentioned here. It's the primary on my macOS laptop, and while I have it on my work laptop (it's a Win7Pro), there's no integration with ActivClient (or at least not yet, anyways) to do any work requiring a smart card to access certain sites. And while I love the fact that it's very anti-Flash, I do some VM administration using VMware, and for some reason, they thought it was a good idea to build their entire web interface using Flash. Idiots.

I get the frustration with others over the inability to use with Netflix/Amazon. The issue is something related to DRM, so I'm not sure where Eich and company are at with that process.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 1:28 PM  

> So the problem with Thunderbird is that it is a Mozilla product?

Yes

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 1:31 PM  

OK, I did some searching on the Startpage search engine problem. It looks like adding your own search engines is on the to do list, but hasn't made it into production yet. :( So for now simply set one of your starting tabs to startpage.com and use that.

> pale moon is soooooo slow...

Well, not for me. :) But then I do run it with the adblock and noscript extensions.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt October 03, 2016 1:35 PM  

Brave is incredibly fast, compared to what I've been using (Firefox and Chrome). I'm so glad Eich has created this; I feel like I'm sort of getting in on the ground floor of something new and good!

Blogger Franz October 03, 2016 1:37 PM  

Posting this on Brave for iOS (I know, I know). Works well, but not for all web sites. Considerably faster than Chrome. Even this blog opens faster, and there's no visible advertisements here at all.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul October 03, 2016 1:45 PM  

It works fine on my mobile for most things, and is fast

Anonymous Heywood October 03, 2016 1:56 PM  

I, too, have tried Brave. It is interestingly minimalistic and refreshingly fast. I wish I could get the slew of plugins that keeps me company in Pale Moon to carry over, though.

Anonymous Siobhan October 03, 2016 1:58 PM  

Is anyone successfully running Brave on a Chromebook?

Blogger Technomad October 03, 2016 2:00 PM  

The Eich thing was one big thing that turned me dead against the gays. It wasn't enough that they be let alone to practice their Slaaneshi deviations in private. Oh, no! If you aren't applauding, preferably as loudly as a North Korean watching Kim Jong Un's birthday parade rolling by, you'll be hounded out of your job if the SJWs can manage it.

Blogger J Van Stry October 03, 2016 2:05 PM  

The new version of firefox has serious bugs and crashes continually.
Plus they took out another feature that users liked (download multiple tabs at once in the background) to be 'more like chrome'.

What is the purpose of opening multiple tabs, if they don't download until you click on them? Defeats the whole purpose. I've been slowly migrating to palemoon, and thinking that maybe Brave will be the way to go now.

Blogger SirHamster October 03, 2016 2:07 PM  

Robert What? wrote:On a side note, can someone explain how companies like PaleMoon and Brave make money? How do you run a profitable business on a product that is given away for free and has no subscription fees?


AFAIK, PaleMoon is just an Open Source volunteer project.

Brave has a business model described on their website.

Basically they're providing a better browser for users that controls ads instead of blocking everything. Advertisers will pay Brave a cut to advertise on the Brave platform.

Blogger Lovekraft October 03, 2016 2:12 PM  

"Is there something about Brave that won't allow the Name/URL commenting to work? Because Brave just ate my last two comment attempts.

Yes. Go to Bravery, and on the Site Settings for VP, turn the Shields off. There is nothing here to harm your system. The only scripts are Google, the basic book carousel scripts, and Amazon."

Thought I'd repost this for those who may have missed it. To get to Bravery, go to settings and Appearance Settings and toggle "Hide the menu bar by default"

Blogger Franz Lyonheart October 03, 2016 2:25 PM  

@42 @44 The Infowars Web page and video works just fine for me. I'm on Brave for iOS (iPad pro).

OpenID tmdfos October 03, 2016 2:28 PM  

I started trying Brave this weekend. So far so good. Blogspot doesn't like my FF since I have so much turned off and blocked so I usually use Safari to make comments to VP. I'd had an installer of Brave since VD first mentioned it a long time back but hadn't gotten around to using it.

As for e-mail, at least on windows, I've always tried to use Pegasus Mail.
https://www.pmail.com/
I had tried TB but didn't really like it so I went back to PM.
If you want webmail go with StartMail by Startpage. It is worth paying for. I've been using it since I got in an early beta.

As for netflix, Alex, etc. there is an option to install a version of flash in the Brave preferences at the bottom of the Security tab is the option to do that with instructions.

Blogger Sevron October 03, 2016 2:37 PM  

@Technomad
Same. That and the baker and photographer and florist incidents made it clear there could be no live-and-let-live. So be it.

Blogger Sillon Bono October 03, 2016 2:43 PM  

does brave support proxy? couldn't find it on the settings, for me it's a must.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 03, 2016 2:49 PM  

The deeper question is did Eich learn from his defenestration from FireFox, and is he keeping Brave from being SJW converged?

Anonymous Rodger Dodger October 03, 2016 2:50 PM  

I use Brave on my iPad (if that counts as mobile), and it works just fine for browsing. Commenting, not so much, but I haven't tried adjusting the settings.

The next thing we need is hardware that isn't part of the Silicon Valley Left. ie, not Apple (iOS, MacOS) not Google (Chrome OS) or Microsoft (Windows).

TAILS Linux works, but apparently searching for it or DLing it makes you an extremist.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 03, 2016 2:56 PM  

Sillon Bono wrote:does brave support proxy? couldn't find it on the settings, for me it's a must.
Brave uses the system-wide proxy settings. If you set these in your control panel under "internet options" Brave will pick them up and use them. If you need session- or browser-specific proxy settings, then no, Brave doesn't do that yet.

Blogger praetorian October 03, 2016 3:04 PM  

I'm still unable to comment in Brave or Chrome.

Anonymous Roundtine October 03, 2016 3:06 PM  

When I try to install Brave desktop on a Windows 7 machine from 2010, it says i need .NET Framework 4.5, but I can't install that either.

Anonymous Ironsides October 03, 2016 3:11 PM  

praetorian wrote:I'm still unable to comment in Brave or Chrome.

Click the Brave site shield button up in the right hand corner, the lion's face up there, while on this site. Under Cookie Control, select Allow All Cookies.

I'm pretty sure that's all I did in order to be able to post here(I'm posting on Brave right now). If that doesn't do it, mess around with the other Site Shield controls a bit until it allows you.

Anonymous DF October 03, 2016 3:34 PM  

Re Thunderbird replacement, you can try mailpile. Fully open source, focused on security, very nice implementation. Been using the beta for about three months. https://www.mailpile.is/

Anonymous Heywood October 03, 2016 3:36 PM  

Having surfed around for a bit, the first thing that stands out to me is the lack of multilingual spell checking. I also dislike the vaguely mac-safari look of the bar. Other than that, it's very nice.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 03, 2016 3:46 PM  

Does Brave work with Windows XP?

This suggests it does...

http://www.filehorse.com/download-brave-browser-32/26055/

This suggests no...

https://brave.com/downloads.html

Anybody know for certain?

Blogger bearspaw October 03, 2016 3:59 PM  

Just downloaded Brave. Tried logging on to google to comment and ended up on an Arabic google page. Curious.

Blogger praetorian October 03, 2016 4:48 PM  

Ironsides wrote:praetorian wrote:I'm still unable to comment in Brave or Chrome.

Click the Brave site shield button up in the right hand corner, the lion's face up there, while on this site. Under Cookie Control, select Allow All Cookies.

I'm pretty sure that's all I did in order to be able to post here(I'm posting on Brave right now). If that doesn't do it, mess around with the other Site Shield controls a bit until it allows you.


That did it, thanks!

I had to allow third party cookies, as shown here in the Brave site shield settings for VP (click the lion icon in the upper right):

http://i.imgur.com/ZGlGlwf.png

Thanks again!

OpenID simplytimothy October 03, 2016 5:56 PM  

They fixed the XRANDR issue I had when I built from source some months ago.

The browser is noticeably fast.

I am looking forward to listening in on tonights brainstorm.

Blogger Rodger Smith October 03, 2016 6:07 PM  

I have contacted Brave a few times through e-mail listed on their website. They have always been very responsive with problems I have reported both on my iPad and Windows 10 PC.

Blogger Rodger Smith October 03, 2016 6:13 PM  

Has Linux been converged? I am about to try that on an older laptop that has Windows 8.

Blogger EscapeVelocity October 03, 2016 6:14 PM  

Don't forget Vivaldi, by the creators of Opera. Opera is now owned by the Chinese...avoid.

Blogger EscapeVelocity October 03, 2016 6:14 PM  

Don't forget Vivaldi, by the creators of Opera. Opera is now owned by the Chinese...avoid.

Anonymous Garrulus October 03, 2016 6:30 PM  

Mozilla itself though not perfect either is still the freedom-est of them all. Brave is just another webit clone that still logs everythign you do and sells you their ads if i understand their businessmodel correctly. You have to disable these logging/reporting/securitycheck things in mozilla too to lock it down a bit.
One particular UI thing I found lacking in brave is Autoscroll (middle mouse toggle mouse movement scroll).
Another interesting webkit backup browser from the (an) openbsdb crowd is xombrero, its very barebones but has vim like keyboard controls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xombrero

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 03, 2016 6:42 PM  

Rodger Smith wrote:Has Linux been converged? I am about to try that on an older laptop that has Windows 8.
Linux is the continual target of convergence attempts, but Linus Torvalds is a Finn and thus a brusque asshole and rebuffs all attempts.
Not to say that it won't eventually be converged, but so far the open source bullshit excluder is holding.
Do be aware, however, that the same does not apply to any particular major component or Distribution of Linux The Gnome desktop framework, for an example, is heavily converged (use xfce or kde).

I'm favorable toward Linux Mint. It's an Ubuntu derived distro oriented towards just working and remarkably unperturbed by "non-Free" software components. Since it's organized out of Argentina, it has no problem just installing the needed codecs for video playback, encryption programs, etc.
If you're alt-Retard, you might want to check out Apartheid Linux, which is just a White Nationalist re-skin of PCLinux OS.
The best approach is to download and boot from a live dvd of whatever distro you are interested in. This gives you a chance to check them out without disturbing what you have in place.

OpenID simplytimothy October 03, 2016 6:46 PM  

use xfce or kde

Or enlightenment (e) or Windowmaker or StumpWM (Lisp) or blackbox or fluxbox or...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 03, 2016 6:53 PM  

or cinnamon or MATE or CDE or.....

... just go with a X Server-less build of Slackware and CLI your way to Linux nirvana.

VLC can play videos in ANSI graphics on a text terminal. Try it some time. It's hilarious.

Blogger Lucas October 03, 2016 8:10 PM  

Fantastic. I really enjoy all these new SJW-free platforms that are popping up everywhere.

The Great Disconvergence proceedeth and not a moment too soon. For example, I had an anti-islam, anti-globalist FB page with close to 35,000 likes, but got axed. I have had plenty of FB accounts deleted aswell. Enough is enough.

Blogger Daniel October 03, 2016 8:12 PM  

Same here

Blogger Tamquam October 03, 2016 8:38 PM  

An alternative to Thunderbird is in order, I would put it high on the list.

Last year I moved to Linux, having had a bellyfull of Windows improving things to the point of uselessness. Pale Moon is not supported (or wasn't supported) on Linux, and Brave has issues. Number one is that at this point the bookmarks just don't work.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 8:40 PM  

> Has Linux been converged? I am about to try that on an older laptop that has Windows 8.

Certain distros probably have been, but not the Linux kernel. If you're new to Linux, I'd recommend Linux Mint as being the best distribution to try. Use any of the Cinnamon, Mate, or XFCE desktop versions. I prefer XFCE, but YMMV.

> Or enlightenment (e) or Windowmaker or StumpWM (Lisp) or blackbox or fluxbox or...

If you really want to get that far off the beaten path, try ratpoison. :)

> ... just go with a X Server-less build of Slackware and CLI your way to Linux nirvana.

Shh. Don't give away all of our secrets (Slackware user since 1994).

Though if Slackware ever gives in and starts using systemd, I'm going to have to try one of the BSD's.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 8:42 PM  

> Pale Moon is not supported (or wasn't supported) on Linux,

It is now: http://linux.palemoon.org/

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 03, 2016 8:49 PM  

"Has Linux been converged? I am about to try that on an older laptop that has Windows 8."

Not the operating system kernel, but they're trying hard. There are a lot of questions about systemd, which is working to take over pretty much everything in the user side and make it a huge, interconnected mess of services and APIs like Windows.

Gnome 3, the default UI on many distributions, is pretty much completely converged. A few years ago they decided to start sending money people donated to Gnome to 'women in computing!' instead. It's been downhill ever since.

Gnome 3 is also a steaming pile of crap whose developers couldn't give a damn about user complaints, so you won't need much convincing to drop it. MATE is basically the old Gnome before the SJWs took over, and KDE seems sane. Or go old-school with XFCE or one of the other minimalist UIs.

I saw an article the other day about Snowden recommending a high-security version of Linux that runs everything in multiple VMs. That looked interesting, but I can't remember the name of the distro.

Blogger Mordineus October 03, 2016 8:49 PM  

If you want extreme try OpenBSD. Great fir servers. Probably need to be a sysadmin or masochist to run on a desktop though.
Extreme on security. The just got finished ripping out the Linux compatibility layer because of it :(

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 03, 2016 9:55 PM  

@95 I recommend NightTrain as an alternative to Thunderbird. It's nearly as big a headache though.

Blogger S. Misanthrope October 03, 2016 10:17 PM  

Ha! I did not think to try that approach.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob October 03, 2016 10:23 PM  

Does Brave work on XP?

No. Just downloaded and ran the .exe and ...

"This program cannot run on XP or before; it requires a later version of windows."

Anonymous Sharrukin October 03, 2016 11:26 PM  

102. Cyclone Bob

"This program cannot run on XP or before; it requires a later version of windows."

Damn.

Thanks for the info.

Maybe time to switch to Linux.

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2016 8:58 AM  

> Maybe time to switch to Linux.

Make sure you use a 64 bit version. As noted above, there's no 32 bit version for Linux, and building a 32 bit version would be "entertaining". I may try to tackle it if I ever have time.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 04, 2016 9:39 AM  

James Dixon wrote:As noted above, there's no 32 bit version for Linux, and building a 32 bit version would be "entertaining". I may try to tackle it if I ever have time.

Why waste your time? I'm still shocked that we're relatively out in 64-bit territory and a lot of the usual suspects (i.e. M$ Office) still insist on going 32-bit for things. You can do a hell of a lot more once you take that 4 GB governor off of your memory. I don't see the logic of capping yourself with a 32-bit application anymore.

Of course, I say this, and then we hear something about things going to 128-bit...

OpenID zippycatholic October 04, 2016 10:34 AM  

I like Brave so far and would love to use it for everything on principle, but it refuses to display the Wordpress notification sidebar. It just pinwheels -- I suspect a blocked AJAX request or something.

Does anyone know a setting that might fix this? I haven't found anything from just poking around and googling.

Interestingly when I tried to 'preview' this comment Brave just made it disappear. So now I'm posting with a different browser. Maybe Wordpress ID's also make it wig out.

OpenID zippycatholic October 04, 2016 10:40 AM  

OK I should have read the thread first - my bad. I'll try the suggestions upthread and re-ask if I have more trouble.

OpenID zippycatholic October 04, 2016 11:00 AM  

Brave FTW. Love the 'shields up / shields down' switch. I'm gonna use that all the time now.

Anonymous RabidRatel October 04, 2016 1:40 PM  

Rodger Dodger wrote:
The next thing we need is hardware that isn't part of the Silicon Valley Left. ie, not Apple (iOS, MacOS) not Google (Chrome OS) or Microsoft (Windows).


Would Arm be OK? Have a look here: http://www.orangepi.org/

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2016 8:39 PM  

> Why waste your time?

There are still a lot of 32 bit processors out there and a lot of 32 bit users. That's the nature of open source, you're not just doing it for you.

> You can do a hell of a lot more once you take that 4 GB governor off of your memory.

If I had more than 4 GB of memory, perhaps. Since I don't, and could use a PAE kernel if I did...

Blogger Stephen St. Onge October 05, 2016 10:19 PM  

I tried it, I won't use it. Browsers that override my viewing preferences don't get employed.

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