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Monday, October 10, 2016

GOP Sabotage

In case it wasn't clear from all the anti-Trump commentary by establishment Republicans over the last week, Mike Cernovich reports that elements inside the Republican Party are engaging in an active anti-Trump sabotage campaign:
Donald Trump’s get out the vote efforts have been sabotaged at every level by the GOP, sources report exclusively to this reporter. Some of the sabotage is obvious and clear, and others is more subtle. Their motivations for sabotage vary from personal and professional jealousy to financial.

The bait-and-switch.

When a Donald Trump volunteer goes to the local GOP office to get out the vote, she’ll be sent out to knock on doors for down ballot candidates in neighborhoods Trump has already won. Would-be volunteers have reported to me that when the showed up at the GOP office, the local office would tell them to campaign for other GOP candidates. When the volunteers told the local office that they wanted to campaign for Trump, they were told to leave.

Other would-be volunteers have told me they’d show up to GOP offices only to find the doors had been locked. Their calls would go unreturned. It was simply impossible to volunteer to get out the vote for Donald Trump.
It's fascinating. I have suspected since the Clinton-Bush campaign that the Republican Party would sometimes rather lose than win, but there is no longer any shadow of a doubt that they are determined to take a fall for Hillary Clinton, just as John McCain did for Obama in 2008.

Can you imagine how well Trump would be doing if he wasn't fighting a) his opponent, b) both mainstream and conservative medias, and c) his own party's establishment?

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91 Comments:

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 10, 2016 8:01 AM  

This is why it's important for campaigns to have their own field offices.

Blogger Stilicho October 10, 2016 8:09 AM  

The Donald endures

Blogger Stilicho October 10, 2016 8:10 AM  

The Donald abides

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii October 10, 2016 8:16 AM  

Of course, many registration drives in larger cities have to divide their time between getting illegals " registered" and Black Lives Matter protests.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 10, 2016 8:20 AM  

My dad showed up to a GOP office in NYC to volunteer for Goldwater. The GOP snakes in the office looked at each other in disbelief at the rube who had walked in off the street.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 10, 2016 8:22 AM  

Yup. Which is why he should never have let the GOP help run some elements of the campaign.

Anonymous #8601 October 10, 2016 8:27 AM  

Trump really knows who his true friends are at this point.

Anonymous JK October 10, 2016 8:30 AM  

This is quite true. In Colorado, the Republican party is so weak, cucked and ineffective that Democrats have been able to turn this state blue. Surrounding states had stronger Republican leadership -- this state is ruled by cowering fools. There's a reason why Arizona and Nevada are red while Colorado trends blue -- incompetence. Colorado's Republican "leaders" claim a big influx of Californians have permanently changed the demographic make-up of the state. True. But more Californians have moved to AZ and NV, as a percentage of the state's population, and many more illegals have moved into those states compared to Colorado. So, what's different between AZ/NV and CO? Inept and incompetent Republicans.

We need to build a parallel party, in the Republican name, but not cucked. Reaching out to the legions of disaffected and unrepresented Republican voters, as well as to a majority (?) of the Independent/non-affiliated voters would create a new party under the old name.

Yes, I know the parable about putting new wine into old wineskins, but this is different. We'd be putting old wine into new wineskins (while appropriating the R-label for convenience.)

If the Republicans undercut Trump enough so he loses, I'm not sure what will happen. A good number of Republican voters will just go along with the narrative they spin, believing that Trump lost rather than understanding that Trump was pushed out by TPTB. A minority will have been energized by the Trump campaign, and will never vote R again. Those voters will never forgive. But where they will go, and how they will behave politically, I'm not certain. We banter, here, about secession and revolution, but is this really possible? Do we have the numbers?

If Trump wins, he inherits a gigantic mess for which he'll be blamed. The MSM and Rep party will be discredited, but will continue to snipe at Trump whenever possible. They want their power and access more than they want America to be secure and stable, and only God knows what they'll do to keep it. If Trump follows through with his debate promise by hiring a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary's crimes, (and Obama's?) this may trigger something akin to a civil war.

I suppose we should sit back, take a deep breath, stock up and see how events play out. But, increasingly, I also think we should start creating the institutions needed to rebuild civil and political society, brick by brick.

Just a few early morning thoughts ...



Blogger Johnny October 10, 2016 8:34 AM  

Trump is about as far from running under an established party as anybody can get and still hope to win. If Trump wins and things turn out, perhaps we will be rid of some of these establishment Republicans. That would really rock, even better than hammering the other side.

Blogger Johnny October 10, 2016 8:41 AM  

@8 If I could encourage Trump to do any one thing it would be to get involved in selective prosecution based on political considerations. Corrupting as hell but it is in place already so what ya gonna do? He needs to start it early so that it is the norm after the warm glow of the first hundred days is over.

OpenID neocolonial October 10, 2016 8:42 AM  

If Trump didn't have to contend with opposition across the gamut, he wouldn't be running.

Blogger residentMoron October 10, 2016 8:45 AM  

@Stilicho

#Trumpslide is coming.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer October 10, 2016 9:12 AM  

The Republican party has amply demonstrated that it is fully converged, its only concern to retain privilege and power for the insiders whose true allegiance is to Wall Street and large multi-national corporations. Any protestations to the contrary is revealed to be sophistry.

Anonymous Tiny Duck October 10, 2016 9:16 AM  

Clinton won the debate

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/10/10/flash-poll-clinton-wins-the-second-presidential-debate/21577887/

Anonymous johnc October 10, 2016 9:20 AM  

I don't think Trump really needs any "get out the vote" efforts. Everybody in the world knows who Trump is and knows that he's running for president.

It's all the other Republican losers on the ticket that nobody knows about.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 10, 2016 9:23 AM  

If Hillary gets a special prosecutor have the hacks at the IRS deserving of one too?

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist October 10, 2016 9:23 AM  

Please God, let a Trump victory be the death knell of the GOP and the birth of a new American Party.

Blogger The Other Robot October 10, 2016 9:36 AM  

Meanwhile in If a Tree Falls in the Forest ... Can Half of Europeans be Deemed "Extremists?" Steve Sailer echo's Vox in pointing out that attitudes are hardening in Europe, with France leading the way.

Anonymous Avalanche October 10, 2016 9:45 AM  

My local Repub organization sent me this email; and I answered;

>We are counting on you more than anyone else — and more than ever before. By
>registering and voting, you will give our entire Republican team the momentum
>we need heading into Election Day.

I am a strong (angry!) member of the Alt Right.

I re-registered this year (after 20 years of not bothering to vote) to vote for TRUMP to get rid of the 'respectful losers' that the Republicans have been my entire life!

A Republican majority in Congress?!? What the hell have you ever done?! You couldn't even conserve women's bathrooms! You get all mealy-mouthed and cowardly about "Black Lives Matter" -- a violent racial-spoils outfit formed on a LIE, and then expect the Founding Stock of this country to not care when they burn down cities and attack old folks?! (Well, attack EVERY kind of folks!!) "But ooooh, don't call us racists! We'll agree to ANYthing, so long as you don't call us racists!"

I describe you Repubs to my friends as being like the dobermans in the movie "Up." Some TRULY important thing comes up, something fundamental to the survival of this country -- immigration, fiscal insanity, stupid idiot wars we have no business being involved in (how about taking care of our vets?!), BLM and racial violence by blacks against everyone; some *important* thing. You damned Repubs start to think about maybe looking into it, and then, just like someone in the movie shouting: "SQUIRREL!" at the dogs, sending them off in a hysterical froth in some useless direction; someone shouts at the Repubs: LOOK!gay marriage! abortion! or "prayer in school!" and (every damned TIME!) you idiots go haring off in some useless direction -- leaving the enemy to keep dismantling the country!
(cont.)

Anonymous Avalanche October 10, 2016 9:45 AM  

How come Repub have voted three times to build a wall -- and there is STILL no wall?! (The wee bits and snatches of of a "wall" do NOT count -- dja ever go LOOK at the crap you PRETENDED to protect us with? Thought not.) Y'all speechify about taking care of our maimed and wounded vets (and, oh yes, maimed and wounded in places we had NO BUSINESS being!) -- and yet NOTHING has been done! You've got time to hold stupid damned 'sit-ins' on the floor of Congress -- but sick and wounded vets? You're too busy grandstanding for the lying media and your paymasters! Couldn't be bothered to indict that PoS Holder, nor his replacement -- so much for the 'rule of law' y'all pretend to care about -- and that you roll over on every time! (Should I even MENTION Hillary's illegal bathroom server and her lying and lying and lying? Old news now, eh? You're not interested?) What have you ever TRIED to do to stop the obamination from bringing the whole damned world into this country?! On OUR dime! Anything?

Trump and the Alt Right are here to spell the end of the Repub party! They (WE!) are here to start speaking truth and USING truth in power!

So you'll be getting no support from me! The Trumpslide is coming; y'all are gonna get your snouts pushed out of the govt trough! EITHER you will show the people you are willing to speak the TRUTH and take action to protect this country and her people (and NOT all the people of the world!) -- or you'll be yesterday's news!

(How in the HELL can you people not be raising high holy hell IN THE PRESS and on the floor on Congress against all these supposed Repubs joining with the Dems against the CLEAR favorite nominee of the American people!? The REPUBLICAN people WANT Trump! Oh, but none of you will say anything against your friends and peers at the trough -- so, just remember, we Americans will NOT differentiate between those NeverTrumpers claiming to be Repubs -- and all you alleged Repubs who won't say a thing against them! PICK A SIDE -- and make sure it's the right one!

Anonymous Eduardo October 10, 2016 9:47 AM  

American Party

Like the sound of of it... It smells like: nationalism!

Blogger Johnny October 10, 2016 9:52 AM  

The problem becomes how to vote against the Democrats and Republicans at the same time. Rarely are there viable write in candidates.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 10, 2016 9:53 AM  

Here is an interesting article from PJ Media. First an excerpt which will be followed by a link to said article:

"Whoever wins, a very large part of the electorate--perhaps more than a third--will believe that the government lacks legitimacy. We have not had circumstances like this since the Civil War. If Trump loses, his voters will blame a corrupt oligarchy and its allied media for electing a criminal to the White House; if Clinton loses, the minority constituencies of the Democratic Party will respond as if the Klu Klux Klan had taken over Washington. There has never been anything like this in the past century and a half of American history, and it is thankless to predict the outcome. Nonetheless I will: Trump will crush it. Clinton, the major media, the pollsters, and the mainstream Republican Party have badly misread the insurrectionist mood of the electorate."

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/10/09/trump-will-win-the-national-battle-for-legitimacy/

Anonymous Joe Blowe October 10, 2016 9:58 AM  

Johnny wrote:I could encourage Trump to do any one thing it would be to get involved in selective prosecution based on political considerations.

What Trump needs to do is use the full powers of the NSA, IRS, FBI, and CIA to collect the dirt, and you know there is plenty of it, on every Federal Judge, CONgressman, and bureaucrat in the country and then give them a choice: resign or else.

Anonymous Flavia October 10, 2016 10:06 AM  

I've said elsewhere we need nationalist challengers against any Bush offspring running for office. One of Jeb's La Raza boys was elected in TX to some local position. He needs the Cantor treatment.

How didhusting that Cantor was rewarded and "talents " like Amy Schumer are multi millionaires. While decent people struggle under an ever growing tax load.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 10, 2016 10:07 AM  

Trump supporters seem to be effective at the grassroots level. Erick Erickson is a liar but claimed in a post today that Trump supporters constantly harass him and his family in public, contact his advertisers, etc. Good stuff.

Blogger Whisker biscuit October 10, 2016 10:09 AM  

There was always an office in town during the election to go to and get yard signs, stickers, etc for the GOP candidate. None this time. But there are tons of Trump/Pemce signs around--many homemade. Someone made their own billboard for the Trumpster.

It's an "us" vs "them" mentality. People see what's going on. People know the GOP is useless, and the DNC control the media.

Trump exposed them on tv last night.

#MAGA

Blogger cheddarman October 10, 2016 10:12 AM  

I told my 80+ year old parents that 15 years from now, Paul Ryan and company will be lucky if they are not hanging from lamp posts.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 10, 2016 10:22 AM  

Trump supporters seem to be effective at the grassroots level. Erick Erickson is a liar but claimed in a post today that Trump supporters constantly harass him and his family in public, contact his advertisers, etc. Good stuff.

@25 Bobby Farr
IOW, Trumpsters are running Operation Disrespectful Nod on the cucks.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 10, 2016 10:23 AM  

How didhusting that Cantor was rewarded and "talents " like Amy Schumer are multi millionaires. While decent people struggle under an ever growing tax load.

@24 Flavia
Funny how you bring up (((Cantor))) and (((Amy Schumer))). What do they have in common? You must be new here.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 10, 2016 10:24 AM  

@27 You made me think of Federalist #10. The violence of faction is prevented when people participate in a system of democracy but this is on the condition that those for whom they vote is responsive to their demands.

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2016 10:27 AM  

> I told my 80+ year old parents that 15 years from now, Paul Ryan and company will be lucky if they are not hanging from lamp posts.

"Hanging's too good for them."

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 10, 2016 10:28 AM  

They were actually turning TRUMP supporters away at the Lancaster PA location Cernovich covered, Lancaster PA, once famous for being amish was covered heavily by Refugee Resettlment Watch as so many turd world refusegees got dumped on them that in 3 years the population became 4% refusegee and even the dogooders said they had too many for the "safety net". If anyplace would have rabid TRUMP volenteers it would be there.

I don't think Trump really needs any "get out the vote" efforts. Everybody in the world knows who Trump is and knows

He needs people willing to explain positions & how they will lose out if HillDog wins, the lying press wouldn't give up the lie that Aleppo is nothing but sweet innocent children. I am glad TRUMP demonstrated he knows the players in Syria.

about maybe looking into it, and then, just like someone in the movie shouting: "SQUIRREL!" at the dogs, sending them off in a hysterical froth

Multiple moslem attacks on gay bars in the US, but when white Christians don't bake a cake. Hey what about that 0.00001% leftists talk about?

What Trump needs to do is use the full powers of the NSA, IRS, FBI, and CIA to collect the dirt, and you know there is plenty of it

Even better, have TRUMP deploy special forces to take over Epstein island and show the videos of politicians from all over the world with the kids blurred. The elite would lose power over all traitors the next day. "Here we see the jewish german justice minister with what is likely a blond boy, it's a good thing he has a tiny PP"

Blogger Robert Divinity October 10, 2016 10:32 AM  

Clinton, the major media, the pollsters, and the mainstream Republican Party have badly misread the insurrectionist mood of the electorate

I disagree with Spengler here. All know exactly how the public feels, and very well may have coup plans on the table.

Blogger praetorian October 10, 2016 10:43 AM  

From the (((goldman))) column:

Whoever wins, a very large part of the electorate--perhaps more than a third--will believe that the government lacks legitimacy. We have not had circumstances like this since the Civil War.

mfw

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 10, 2016 10:44 AM  

Yo! Check out this article from The Federalist.

Here is the title: In Supporting Trump, Conservative Men Abandon Conservative Women

Here is a brief abstract which sits below the title: By ‘elevat[ing] to the first place in the government one of the worst men in the community,’ Republican and conservative evangelical leaders have made liars out of themselves.

Here is the link: http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/10/supporting-trump-conservative-men-abandon-conservative-women/#disqus_thread

Blogger Hammer6 Actual October 10, 2016 10:46 AM  

I say more back at my island of Alt, but mark the rats carefully as they flee. They aren't anything but enemies. Cowards will kill you faster than your declared enemies.

Bide your time Trump, then when you are anointed, remake the Repubs or form a triumphant new party.

For your enemies, retire, or face prosecution.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 10, 2016 10:57 AM  

@30 Al From Bay Shore:

@27 You made me think of Federalist #10. The violence of faction is prevented when people participate in a system of democracy but this is on the condition that those for whom they vote is responsive to their demands.

This presupposes, as commented by the Founders elsewhere, a moral people. Specifically, the modern Left faction wants at least a third of the country in concentration camps and a tenth executed out of hand. The Democrats obviously can't both give them what they want and restrain the "violence of faction."

And now it's getting to the point where, after being treated to this eliminationist sentiment for four decades or so, something so entrenched that the current president started his political career in the home of one of the most notorious of these back then, that we're contemplating the reverse just so we'll be left alone for a few generations.

Not that the challenge of just wanting to be left alone is a new thing in America, Tammany Hall Democrat Gideon Tucker said in 1866 that "No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session."

Anonymous Loki7 October 10, 2016 11:02 AM  

I just voted for Mr. T at the local courthouse via mail-in ballet. It was (grasp) made of paper.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 10, 2016 11:03 AM  

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Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 10, 2016 11:04 AM  

@37 I agree with you completely! The Democratic Party has become a political faction that hates America, Western Civilization, the very idea of liberal democracy, and federalism. This is the reason why I despise the "Democrats have a history of racism" narrative because the Dems of today bear no resemblance, whatsoever, to what the cuck-pundits link them with.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 10, 2016 11:08 AM  

I think the GOPe is terrified....there are four potential outcomes to this election, and they lose power in three of them. If Trump wins big, the GOPe faces the wrath of Trump's supporters - and they've now got a list of quislings. If Trump wins OR loses narrowly, his supporters will still demand retribution against the saboteurs. Only a massive Trump defeat will keep the GOPe in power.

Or so they think. Personally, I think the "take out in the primaries" list is extensive, and people will be just mad enough to make the cleansing of 2010 look like a mild shower - compared to a monsoon.

Blogger praetorian October 10, 2016 11:19 AM  

Vox, the article Al linked is worthy of a blog post:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/10/supporting-trump-conservative-men-abandon-conservative-women

This, gentlemen, is why we can't let women vote after Rahowa: "A man said mean words, I just literally can't" while Hillary wades through blood from campaign stop to campaign stop.

We let women vote and, in less than a century, we have abortion on demand, confiscatory taxation, no-fault-of-hers divorce, hate speech isn't free speech and, as a final coup de grâce, unlimited, seething immigration, because muh feels.

Blogger RobertT October 10, 2016 11:28 AM  

After spending your whole career coming up through the ranks, it rankles to see someone take shortcuts around you. I ran into this as long ago as 1990. My crime? They thought I should have started with dogcatcher, then county treasurer, county commissioner, state rep, state senator. But i started with U.S. Congress. I got the nomination because they couldn't f**k with the vote, but the party declined to fund my campaign. But Trump has enough of his own money and is having success raising money in small doses that he may yet win. Personally I can't believe anyone would vote for HRC.

Anonymous Rezny October 10, 2016 11:29 AM  

And this people will teach us about muh democracy.
They can't even play false opposition right or produce one phony populist Jew like Zhirinovsky who plays pseudo-Trump here for 20 years straight.

It's very hillaryous to watch overseas, but also sad in a way. At least in my childhood I believed there was another country except Switzerland that got political freedom.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 10, 2016 11:33 AM  

Gateway Pundit is reporting that Wiki-Leaks dumped another 2,086 Podesta emails.

Blogger Johnny October 10, 2016 11:36 AM  

@42

That article makes me a little crazy. Going by what we know and can guess, Trump's conduct in no worse than the average of the rest of the ruling class. He is hardly a corrupting force if he gets in. His major moral failing, if it really is a moral failing, is that he maintains pretensions at a lower level.

Either Luma Simms dislikes him for other reasons and is being dishonest, or she confuses pretensions of propriety with virtue.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 10, 2016 11:37 AM  

"Whoever wins, a very large part of the electorate--perhaps more than a third--will believe that the government lacks legitimacy.

Well over two-thirds of the country has believed the government lacks legitimacy since at least the TARP bailouts. The only reason there hasn't been a revolution yet is that not enough people agree on a better alternative. Mostly that's because things haven't been bad enough for most people to discuss alternatives, but the idiots in charge keep making the situation worse and worse.

Anonymous Thales October 10, 2016 11:41 AM  

GOPe should be worried about down-ballot now. Trump supporters not happy with this.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 10, 2016 11:45 AM  

Only a massive Trump defeat will keep the GOPe in power...Or so they think. Personally, I think the "take out in the primaries" list is extensive...

The GOPe has proven itself beyond any doubt to be useless at best this election. The best possible interpretation anyone can give their behavior this cycle is that they are well-intentioned morons with no business running something more complicated than a lemonade stand. The more common interpretations are that they are sell-outs mostly interested in milking donors of money and unwilling to defend anyone's interests but their own.

I don't see how they ever recover. How many people still trust them?

Blogger Orville October 10, 2016 11:50 AM  

Fuck the down-ballot. As said above by others, I left the GOP eight years ago. Trump is the only reason and the only person I'm voting for. If I can I'll vote for a independent, but otherwise no vote.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 10, 2016 11:54 AM  

Johnny wrote:Trump is about as far from running under an established party as anybody can get and still hope to win. If Trump wins and things turn out, perhaps we will be rid of some of these establishment Republicans. That would really rock, even better than hammering the other side.

We cannot fight the other side (SJWs, Negroes, Aztecs, (((dual citizens))), feminists, Musloids, et al) very effectively until the fifth column within and behind the ranks is neutralized. I have no plans for voting for down-ticket repukes for the most part. Here in the Illinoize graveyards downstate, even Donks are actually more likely to be against gun-control (which the Chicago mafia is still pushing) than Repukes who are generally cucked well beyond all hope of salvation. The Illnoize Incitatus race is what one usually gets at the national-level: Wearing the R-jersey is SJW/Cuck Mark 'Cap-n-Trade' Kirk, an incumbent who'll probably lose to a rabid SJW wearing the D-Jersey named Tammy Duckworth. We'll not be voting for Incitatus, despite the stern looks from the faithful members of G.A.R. Graveyard Post 666. The dead have been voting here for a long time, but in neighboring Missouri then can even run for office.

Blogger Orville October 10, 2016 11:55 AM  

I was particularly annoyed by the questions from Pooper and Ratsass about what kind of message the candidates were sending to the children.

I'm so sick of the infantilizing of society.

Anonymous The OASF October 10, 2016 11:59 AM  

@16

"Please God, let a Trump victory be the death knell of the GOP and the birth of a new American Party."

A Trump defeat may do it as well. Either way, I believe Trump has destroyed the GOPe Bohemian Club Sods once and for all.

So to paraphrase Master Yoda "Not soon enough it was..."

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look October 10, 2016 11:59 AM  

The (((media))) and Correct the Record shills are fucking with poll numbers big time.

http://82.221.129.208/electionsteal.gif

Blogger Doom October 10, 2016 12:04 PM  

I am starting to think that, just maybe, enough people have awaken. Losing your job to a foreigner, or even the whole process go over seas? Having your region flooded with the nastiest of foreigners, bringing crime, vice, and hate, while being told to stow it? Losing much of your wealth to a losing economy, a busted housing boom, and no place to go with your finances? Moving from even upper middle class to nearly working poor? No retirement in sight?

They really are waking up, despite themselves. The thing is, will enough of them have the courage to demand change? The strength to choose to face the costs of past foolishness? I think so, I pray. Truth be told, I think the weakness of her health is going to make the difference... if something does.

Anonymous Samson J. October 10, 2016 12:04 PM  

To whoever mentioned Dreher in the last thread: I went over there, read through the comments, and I can feel my SMV ballooning through the she horror of observing what I *don't* want to be like. Good Lord Almighty, what a bunch of fags.

Anonymous Brian October 10, 2016 12:06 PM  

It's not the GOP would "rather lose", rather the GOP has a financial stake in a Hillary victory. The perks of crony capitalism flow both ways. A Trump victory would strike fear into the crony capitalist Republicrat gravy train. Mr. Trump, with a potty mouth, goes to Washington.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 10, 2016 12:11 PM  

My Congressman and Senator both have routinely ignored my wishes and sent condescending letters to me about why I was wrong or didn't understand the issue. They got a response that I will not support them in any election going forward which I assume they are okay with. Now they are some of the first people to jump on the not supporting Trump train.

I suspect I am not the only person who is not going to cast a vote on their races.

Anonymous Bob Just October 10, 2016 12:20 PM  

I'm not sure if it is GOP sabotage.

If we define GOP* as Globalist Owned Party then it is not sabotage of the party but of the outsider, Trump.

VD asks "Can you imagine how well Trump would be doing if he wasn't fighting a) his opponent, b) both mainstream and conservative medias, and c) his own party's establishment?"

That's a good question:

Since, the MSM is unlikely to change their ways.
And the MSM have only around a 6% trust/approval rating, It may have been better (for their interests) to not be so overt in their opposition to Trump. Their repeated attacks have consolidated his supporters.

Then as VD states, Trump not knowing who to trust, may have hampered his message getting out (which is why he has done a lot on his own). The MSM being irrelevant has magnified the voices of VD, Alex, Mike, Stefan, Breitbart, Milo, Matt and the Deplorables.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual October 10, 2016 12:22 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:... and they've now got a list of quislings. If Trump wins OR loses narrowly, his supporters will still demand retribution against the saboteurs. Only a massive Trump defeat will keep the GOPe in power.

Or so they think. Personally, I think the "take out in the primaries" list is extensive, and people will be just mad enough to make the cleansing of 2010 look like a mild shower - compared to a monsoon.


It is time for the black flag - NO QUARTER.

A sizable portion of Trump's support comes from outside the repubs, but cleansing will start inside the GOPe.

As another said, retire or face prosecution. There is no room for cowards.

Anonymous Frank Brady October 10, 2016 12:23 PM  

Here is what Trump is facing (really): http://gatetoliberty.blogspot.com.

FJB

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2016 12:27 PM  

> GOPe should be worried about down-ballot now. Trump supporters not happy with this.

Our junior senator backed out of supporting Trump over this. In response, my wife wrote her and told her that she wouldn't be voting for her the next time she comes up for re-election. Yeah, I've got a keeper. :)

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2016 12:29 PM  

> I suspect I am not the only person who is not going to cast a vote on their races.

Oh, I'll be voting. That should worry them even more.

Anonymous David James October 10, 2016 12:34 PM  

I want Hillary to lose as much as most people here. But looking at the predictions market (where the billionaires put their money where their mouths are, and they don't play to lose), I have to say it doesn't look good. I hope I'm wrong.

As of today, Hillary is still the odds-on favorite to win in November, as she has been since the conventions ended. Ladbrokes will pay you 1 dollar for every 4 you bet.

OTOH the British bookies will pay you 3 dollars for every 1 you bet on Trump.

Convert that to percentages, that's about a 80% chance of Hillary winning, as opposed to 25% for Trump.

There's still a month left before the election.

m https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/american/presidential-election/

Blogger VFM #7634 October 10, 2016 12:35 PM  

> GOPe should be worried about down-ballot now. Trump supporters not happy with this.

Our junior senator backed out of supporting Trump over this. In response, my wife wrote her and told her that she wouldn't be voting for her the next time she comes up for re-election. Yeah, I've got a keeper. :)


@James Dixon
Yeah, I keep trying to call a senator who backed out of supporting Trump, in order to chew him out as a coward and a traitor, and threaten to vote for the Democrat. I keep getting his answering machine.

Anonymous Frank Brady October 10, 2016 12:36 PM  

With the composition of the Supreme Court, the trajectory of the national economy, and the very survival of the nation at stake, any politician who believes that Trump's off-color comments made 11 years ago are important enough that Hillary Clinton should be awarded the Presidency is far too stupid to hold public office.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 12:41 PM  

David James wrote:the predictions market (where the billionaires put their money where their mouths are, and they don't play to lose), I have to say it doesn't look good. I hope I'm wrong.
Billionaires absolutely don't play the predictions market.
Full stop.
Prediction markets are for punters who think they are too sophisticated for bookies.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 10, 2016 12:46 PM  

Clinton won the debate

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/10/10/flash-poll-clinton-wins-the-second-presidential-debate/21577887/


@14 Tiny Dick
It's BS. Drudge's poll got attacked by Clinton supporters at some point over night, who managed to change it from 90% Trump to only about 55%. (It's now back up to 70%.)

Blogger pyrrhus October 10, 2016 12:51 PM  

This is turning into an IQ test--smarter Congress critters have said nothing about Trump, or endorsed him quietly. Dumber ones have been in your face critics, and are likely to get some nasty surprises on election day.

Blogger pyrrhus October 10, 2016 12:54 PM  

@67 The predictions market, which I play in, only allows very small positions--no billionaires would be interested...From what I have seen, campaigns put small amounts of money in there to give the impression of public support.

Anonymous #8601 October 10, 2016 1:05 PM  

#Pussygate has been very useful in smoking out the enemies within the Republican camp, as they abandon him in droves.

It has also revealed who are his true friends.

It wouldn't be surprising if the God Emperor leaked the tape himself.


Anonymous SAK October 10, 2016 1:30 PM  

"OTOH the British bookies will pay you 3 dollars for every 1 you bet on Trump.

Convert that to percentages, that's about a 80% chance of Hillary winning, as opposed to 25% for Trump."

That's shorter odds than they gave Brexit. Both then and now people are passionate and so it is more the madness than the wisdom of crowds that is moving the betting markets.

Then as now the globalist position has the shorter odds. Not because they are the larger part of the crowd, but because the are the richer part.

Blogger Cloudswrest October 10, 2016 1:48 PM  

Heartiste has an article up claiming that Hillary and company are not behind "pussygrab" tape release. It was actually a coordinated GOPe inside job to sabotage Trump. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/10/08/the-pussygrab-trump-recording-was-an-orchestrated-release-by-the-republican-establishment/

Blogger praetorian October 10, 2016 1:50 PM  

It wouldn't be surprising if the God Emperor leaked the tape himself.

1488 dimensional chess is best chess.

Anonymous Wesson October 10, 2016 1:53 PM  

What a surprise. Trump pulls off a coup, and those who profit from the old, rotten system are against him. Nationalists and populists have been unwelcome in the GOP for ages. The only saving grace is that so many of the public are angry enough at all the globalist sellouts that they are attracted to a real change, as opposed to a Rubio one.

Blogger Tommy Hass October 10, 2016 2:17 PM  

Hey Steve-O, what are you gonna do if another terrist shoots up another homobar?

Books don't feel pain, you know.

Blogger Tommy Hass October 10, 2016 2:24 PM  

Btw, what kind of guys were Goldwater and Wallace? Anyone willing to educate me on the political landscape at the time?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 10, 2016 2:46 PM  

Btw, what kind of guys were Goldwater and Wallace? Anyone willing to educate me on the political landscape at the time?



Dude, that's history book stuff. It would take a bunch of postings just to explain Wallace / Goldwater to millennial Americans, and you're a Turk.

Just know that the GOPe has stabbed its own in the back before.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 3:00 PM  

Tommy Hass wrote:Btw, what kind of guys were Goldwater and Wallace? Anyone willing to educate me on the political landscape at the time?
Goldwater was what we call an Old Line Conservative, who had worked against FDR and the social welfare state for decades. He was a Senator in 1964. Goldwater was opposed not just by the Democrats, but by the Liberals that had infested the Republican party since it's birth in the 1850s. He ran on a platform of aggressive anti-communism abroad and liberty, including states rights and fiscal responsibility, at home.
Keep in mind that, prior to WWI, the Democrats were the Conservative party, the GOP the Liberal party in US politics. Wilson's capture of the Dem party started the realignment, which wasn't really complete until the Clintons drove the last Conservatives out of the Democrat party in the 1990s.
Anyway, Goldwater was opposed by the Liberal wing of the party, led by Rockefeller and the grifter class led by George Romney, Mitt's father.

Goldwater's most famous quote is "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."

Blogger Steampunk Koala October 10, 2016 3:41 PM  

Here where I'm at, we have state and county fairs toward the end of September, and my local county GOP office tried to get yard signs etc. for the fair booth, since this is one of the bigger events for people to see and talk to the staff before election. The State office wouldn't release campaign materials to anyone until after all the fairs were over.

Understand, this was after calling ahead, getting the price for the number desired, then driving to the State office just before the fair with a check, they found out about the 'release schedule'.

So, we had record numbers of people coming to the booth for bumper stickers and yard signs, and had to explain to them that the State office wouldn't give them to us.

They know exactly what they are doing. First time that's happened to my knowledge.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 10, 2016 3:46 PM  

cheddarman wrote:15 years from now, Paul Ryan and company will be lucky if they are not hanging from lamp posts.
Maybe closer to 15 weeks.

There was an infamous meeting of cucks including Preibus at a diner early this year, where they plotted strategy.  Two guys in a panel truck with some rifles could have taken out the whole crew.  I expect this sort of thing to happen at least once in the next year, just because the Saxon is fed up.

Blogger Eric Slate October 10, 2016 4:59 PM  

To be fair, the GOP had their biggest policy gains in recent memory during the Clinton presidency. Contract with America was the last time conservatives actually did something.

Blogger GFR October 10, 2016 5:01 PM  

@David James
.
The bookies were very sure that BREXIT was going to lose - right up until the point when BREXIT won...
.
Bookies odds are very simple to calculate - they adjust the odds based on the amounts of money that has been bet on each candidate so that whoever wins the bookies break even.
.
After BREXIT won some of the newspapers looked at what kind of bets were being placed. It was clear that there were at least threee times as many bets being placed FOR Brexit as against - but the amounts being bet were significantly higher for against.
.
It was a stitch-up as the British say..

Anonymous BGKB October 10, 2016 5:07 PM  

Hey Steve-O, what are you gonna do if another terrist shoots up another homobar? Books don't feel pain, you know

We already fled Die Verse City for a nice Whitopia in a Castle law state. If they catch me out and about just call me the Gay George Zimmerman, with an ampule of bacon bits made of melted straw. I guess I will bake a cake also.

OT: Notorious CUNTY invokes the Lazarus poem when talking TRUMP & moslem ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/ruth-bader-ginsburg-on-trump-kaepernick-and-her-lifelong-love-of-the-law-132236633.html

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 5:13 PM  

GFR wrote:they adjust the odds based on the amounts of money that has been bet on each candidate so that whoever wins the bookies break even.
Bookies NEVAR break even. There's always the viggorish.

Blogger Eric Slate October 10, 2016 5:55 PM  

To be fair, the GOP had their biggest policy gains in recent memory during the Clinton presidency. Contract with America was the last time conservatives actually did something.

Blogger tublecane October 10, 2016 6:24 PM  

"I have suspected during the Clinton-Bush campaign that the Republican Party would sometimes rather lose than win"

Of course they would. That goes for Democrats, too. The purpose of political parties is not to accrue as much power as possible. I don't know why anyone ever thought it was. You know how many elections across the nation go uncontested. Or about the non-legally binding agreement the parties struck not to sue eachother. They're not really trying that hard. Especially when you consider most power is held by non-elected officials, and the vast majority of them vote Democrat.

The purpose of political parties is to perpetuate the power of the party leadership, as well as those dependent upon them. So it isn't as if the parties don't want to win, because victory gives them spoils. But if they had to choose between winning and losing control of the party they'd choose to keep the party. Better to be in charge of the,Outer Party than no party at all.

That's what's motivating a guy like Ryan. Should Trump win there's a likelihood Trump could dictate party leadership and patronage. And that's bad for Ryan-type people, because Trump isn't one of them. Trump is not "a real conservative."

Our two party system has a long history. You can see this story repeated over and over again. It's the Machine against the Reformer. Why aren't machines happy about the prospect of reformers getting into office? Victory is victory, no? No.

Blogger Alec Rawls October 11, 2016 12:59 AM  

I tried to donate money to Trump last week. After I had completed the process, entered my confirmation and gotten a thank you, I went to my email to look for a receipt. There wasn't one. Two days later I checked my credit card online and still no charge from Trump. This was on his own fundraising site so I'm wondering if the credit card company could be quietly not processing donations to Trump. Anyone else had donations not go through? I will try again.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2016 1:11 AM  

NeverTrumpers are salivating over the prospect of a Hillary win, because apparently all that matters to them anymore is the chance to say "I told you so" to those stupid Trumpkins. But if they cause Hillary to win through sabotage, there goes their supposed moral high ground. That's like predicting that your friend's about to have a bloody nose, then punching him in the face, and then saying, "See? You should have listened to me."

And they still can't understand, no matter how many times we've explained it, that "You could have won if you'd accepted one of our fine, globalist, conservative-ish candidates" is not a persuasive argument anyway -- aside from being false.

Anonymous Discard October 11, 2016 5:44 AM  

Tommy Hass: George Wallace was the Governor of Alabama 50 years ago. He was a supporter of racial segregation, a policy that was commonly called "Jim Crow".

He was right, as even a casual look at American Blacks without the filter of the media will show.

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