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Sunday, October 30, 2016

Gosh, a lot of people would like to kick him

Captain Underoos is delusional enough to think that he had a chance to win the Republican nomination in 2016:
The 2012 Republican presidential nominee said he often asks himself why he did not run again and expressed regret for not doing a “better job” communicating his conservative economic message to the public.

“I get asked on a regular basis, ‘Boy, why aren’t you running this year?’ I ask myself that now and then too. But I did that once,” Mitt Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, said at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce Legal Reform Summit this week in D.C.

Romney said the general public might have gotten the wrong impression about his economic plans.

“People on the other side of the aisle have made that a centerpiece of their campaigns, which is the idea of income inequality and the lack of progress for middle-income families, and it’s something which, gosh, I kick myself as a Republican nominee for president for having not done a better job communicating this,” he said.

“When you speak, as you do in a primary, to people who are strong Republicans and conservatives, you begin to speak in shorthand because they've heard the kind of remarks that I'd make, they've heard it time and again, and they sort of understand what you mean. So when I'm talking about making America the most attractive place in the world for entrepreneurs, and when I want to make America a terrific place for small business and big business, when I want to see corporations thrive and grow in America, what my primary audience hears is something which they can connect with,” he added.
The reason Romney didn't run again is because a) no one except Wall Street and the Fortune 1000 supported his globalist economic plans and they are supporting Hillary anyhow, b) he's a terrible and incompetent candidate, and, c) he would have gotten fewer votes than Jeb Bush.

No Americans trust the globalist Republicans anymore or are buying their immigrant-in-a-poker program. Trickle-down economics trickled down only to the H1Bs and immigrants. The ironic thing is that Mormons may be the only portion of the electorate dumb enough to collectively a) reject racial identity politics while simultaneously b) practicing aggressive religious identity politics.

You can get offended by my observation if you like, but you can hardly deny it. Taken as a political demographic, Mormons won't vote for white American interests, but they'll vote for a Mormon every single time.

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90 Comments:

Anonymous Mark Goldberg Horowitz Cohen October 30, 2016 5:07 AM  

You can get offended if you like, but you can hardly deny it. Taken as a political demographic, Mormons won't vote for white American interests, but they'll vote for a Mormon every single time.

Love the Mormon community. Very talented.

OpenID leukosfash October 30, 2016 5:09 AM  

Yeah, color me shocked. Spot on, Vox.

Anonymous Eric the Red October 30, 2016 5:11 AM  

On the surface they're generally nice people, but they have to twist their minds into a pretzel to believe all that nonsense about their cult. It makes everything they do suspect, including politics.

Blogger YIH October 30, 2016 5:20 AM  

We know why he didn't even try: Mitt Romney Didn't Want to Be President, Son Claims.
Even Please Clap had more enthusiasm than that...
And look how far that got him.

Anonymous dagwood October 30, 2016 5:28 AM  

Trump put his finger on the precise pulse by talking about the demographic (((destruction))) of the American people, and the intertwined ongoing economic (((looting and pillage))) of the US.

And Romney thought people wanted to have conservative economics explained to them more clearly.

These people simply don't live on the same planet we do. In fairness, Trump doesn't either, but he's like Klaatu in his spaceship visiting Earth to deliver one final, desperate warning.

I just hope he's got a giant robot and he's prepared to use it.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent October 30, 2016 5:34 AM  

They'll be outnumbered in four generations.

June 2013

"New census estimates said that in 2012, the white population in Utah grew by 1.2 percent.

At the same time:

- the black population grew by 5.2 percent;

- the Asian community by 4.8 percent;

- Pacific Islander, 3.5 percent;

- Latino, 2.5 percent;

- American Indian, 1.9 percent.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 30, 2016 5:49 AM  

The unfortunate thing is that Trump's easiest path to victory - winning the red states plus the current tossups of IA, OH, FL, NC and NV - won't be enough if he doesn't get Utah's six electoral votes. He would only have 269 and would need ME, NH or one of the rust belt states. Doable but a problem that wouldn't exist without the traitorous NeverTrumpers. Fatass Erick Erickson is spinning some fantasy where neither Trump or Clinton gets 270 and the House elects McMullin. More proof that a purge of the cucks is needed.

Blogger Phillip George October 30, 2016 6:23 AM  

Mitt Romney might be down to his last 250 million. These people do live on the same planet as us.
The sense of entitlement from all the would be kings, glorified public servants, is spectacular.
Again, the Ceausescu's fall was, likewise, spectacular.

Mormon doctrine is the irrational bit. It's in the detail, not the concept.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing October 30, 2016 6:24 AM  

@7
That would be a complete meme-tier event if the Mormons cucked it up for the whole nation by losing Utah like that. In whatever post-republic nations arise, the Mormons would never be welcomed ever again. They already aren't welcomed so well by the others, but that'll put the nail in the coffin as to whether they get the worse than "not welcome" treatment.

Blogger Alexandros October 30, 2016 6:24 AM  

The only way this election cycle could have been more entertaining is if Romney had enough exposure to humiliate himself even half as much as Jeb Bush did. What would have been Romney's "Please clap," catch phrase?

Blogger Phillip George October 30, 2016 6:30 AM  

heavy duty; 6.9 richter in northern Italy. Did you feel anything?

Anonymous Philipp October 30, 2016 6:36 AM  

Romney is a fool. He would have been crushed by Trump just like all the other Republican candidates. The American people are angry and upset. They want a candidate who represents their anger and they only two who did that and created enthusiasm among voters are/were Trump and Sanders.

Clinton beat Sanders because of the Clinton machine and the superdelegates (I expect the Republican party establishment to try to bring them in for the next election).

What Romney and people like him not grasp is that for Trump voters it does not matter if a Romney, Bush or Rubio is elected or if Clinton is elected. On immigration, foreign policy, warmongering and free trade they are all the same.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 30, 2016 6:47 AM  

@9 It would be the end of the move by Mormons into mainstream respectability.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 30, 2016 7:04 AM  

269 to 263 if Trump wins the tossups but not Utah http://www.270towin.com/maps/Ygynr

OpenID aew51183 October 30, 2016 7:06 AM  

@13 If utah back-stabs trump in the electoral college and I were in a position to do so, I would slip a rider into a must-pass budget bill to remove the LDS tax exempt status.

Anonymous Obamaphone October 30, 2016 7:16 AM  

Romney? He suck!

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 30, 2016 7:20 AM  

Actually 269 assumes he wins Colorado too.

Anonymous dr kill October 30, 2016 7:23 AM  

#8. Mormon doctrine is the irrational bit. It's in the detail, not the concept.

Exactly. As a reluctant atheist with good friends who identify as all three stripes of sky god believers, I can fondly give them a pass for being faithful to some events of 6000, 2000, 0r 1400 years ago. But FFS, there were almost cameras when Joe Smith found his golden tablets. Don't get me started on what Mormons must swallow to be faithful. It is impossible to think a person who truly believes the Mormon timeline is true is smart enough to be President. IMO. Happy Sunday and no offense to you of Faith.

Blogger VD October 30, 2016 7:26 AM  

Actually, I am confident Trump is still going to win Utah despite the NeverTrump silliness with Bill Kristol's weird little puppet-figure. Mormons may not like Trump's behavior, but they can't cling to their morally upright posturing and vote for a woman under FBI investigation either.

Blogger bosscauser October 30, 2016 7:30 AM  

She's toast... Media keeping it close to sell more hard on pills, retirement scams, gold investment hustles and who could forget reverse mortgage house stealing..

Let's go #Trump and hurry!

Blogger Jew613 October 30, 2016 7:40 AM  

Romney was fascinating in that he was pretty open about his contempt for the working class. Mitt needed them to win but he couldnt even pretend for the campaign he'd enact policies favorable to the working class. So they just stayed home.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 30, 2016 7:45 AM  

I checked Bill Kristol's Twitter out of morbid curiosity. I don't know how anyone with such leftist views was ever allowed to speak for the right but I am especially confused about he and his ilk think they can come back from a situation where they supported a third party neocon and openly advocated a strategy where the House GOP would vote against their party's nominee.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 30, 2016 7:46 AM  

Romney was an acceptable Republican to Boston and got less of the Mormom vote than Bush did. That tells you everything about Romney.

He could have won in Michigan. The votes were there but he didn't want those votes. His ads for Michigan all took place in Detroit. Deep in the heart of Blue Michigan because Detroit and Ann Arbor are the only parts of the state that matter to a child of Grosse Pointe.

He was the prince of the Cuckservatives.

Blogger OGRE October 30, 2016 7:48 AM  

Still saying Trump takes PA. Lots of good news coming out of the Keystone state and this was before the FBI announcement. Just gotta keep the zombies from voting in Philly and Trump takes the state by at least 4%.

Then Utah won't even matter, and all will be right in the world.

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist October 30, 2016 7:48 AM  

Actually, I am confident Trump is still going to win Utah despite the NeverTrump silliness with Bill Kristol's weird little puppet-figure. Mormons may not like Trump's behavior, but they can't cling to their morally upright posturing and vote for a woman under FBI investigation either.

Yep, and Jason Chaffetz coming out the other day and saying even though he doesn't endorse Trump he will vote for him because Hillary is just too bad for America gives Mormons cover too. That is enough to nudge them to pull the Trump lever. He'll win it by less than the usual spread that a Repub gets, but he'll still win it.

I see that NBC is having Egghead McMuffin on this morning for Sunday morning tv. I supposed in their wet dreams they hope he can cost Trump Utah.

Anonymous Mitt Flanders October 30, 2016 7:51 AM  

GEE GOLLY GOSH BOY HOWDY DOODY SHUCKS, NEIGHBORINOS!

Perhaps the American proles haven't warmed to Willard's program of unlimited Third World immigration and tax breaks for hardworking corporate overlords who've done so much create jobs in Mexico and China because it wasn't gosh-dang-diddly explained to them hard enough!

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 30, 2016 7:52 AM  

@25 If Trump gets 29% of the black vote, as he was in the recent PA poll Vox linked to, he will be sweeping the rust belt and probably take Virginia too.

Blogger Ezekiel October 30, 2016 7:54 AM  

Are we going to start making Mormon names echo too, or do they warrant a separate gimmick?

In other news:
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/popov-us-snipers-arrival-in-donbass.html

Are we trying to get nuked by Russia? Because this looks like a pretty good way to get nuked by Russia.

Blogger VD October 30, 2016 7:56 AM  

I just wish David French had accepted Kristol's nomination. His weeping meltdowns in the face of Alt-Right memes would have been epic.

Anonymous Wyrd October 30, 2016 7:58 AM  

@28

Nuclear war with Russia would be good for the economy.

Blogger OGRE October 30, 2016 8:02 AM  

Wyrd wrote:@28

Nuclear war with Russia would be good for the economy.


Oh absolutely! Just think of all the buildings that would need to be rebuilt! And all the new burn units that would need to be staffed! And all the fallout that would need to be cleaned up! We could put every mestizo in North and South America to work!!!

Full Fucking Employment, Hell Yeah!

Anonymous Aphelion October 30, 2016 8:04 AM  

That Mitt believes he is a conservative continues to amuse. Romneycare? Gay marriage? Abortion rights? Continued economically destructive central banking policies? What is conservative about Mitt?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 30, 2016 8:11 AM  

Romney fell off when circumstantial events implicated him in the Trump Tape release. Dan Senor is the dot that connects him with Paul Ryan.

Anonymous Wyrd October 30, 2016 8:12 AM  

@31

I've been reading Nick Cole's Wasteland Saga novels recently. Living in a nuclear apocalypse sounds like a blast!

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 30, 2016 8:12 AM  

@32 well, you could argue that Mitt was farther to the right than any GOP nominee since Reagan. Maybe Dole was better. It depends on whether you are using the American voter or the GOP intelligentsia/leadership as your point of reference. He mentioned self-deportation and I don't recall him proposing any new wars. That practically makes him a fascist when you are comparing him to the likes of Kasich, Kristol and Jeb.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 30, 2016 8:14 AM  

I'm thinking that track by Boogie Down Productions... "Outta Here". Romney is Outta Here as is the entire GOP establishment. They need to find a new party or form one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EFl5pynoTc

Blogger Zach October 30, 2016 8:14 AM  

Shut up, Mitt.

OpenID frankluke October 30, 2016 8:25 AM  

Romney couldn't stand up to Candy Cowley in the debate. He would have folded this time, too.

Blogger Otto Lamp October 30, 2016 8:31 AM  

@7,

McMullin is proof Mormons don't think things through.

It's obvious that the ONLY reason for McMullin's candidacy is to deny Trump Utah's electoral votes.

Mormons worry about bigoty against Mormons in the US (even though it is non-existant). If Trump loses the presidency, because he lost Utah (a reliably GOP state), Mormons will become worse than outsiders--they'll become the most hated group in America by the right. All at the anger at never-trumpers will be directed at Mormons; they will become the poster child for #NeverTrump.

Mormons should hope Trump wins Utah.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 30, 2016 8:35 AM  

Romney was a terrible candidate. The GOP is a conservative midwestern/southern party. Nominating a center-left candidate from New England was a sure-fire recipe for defeat.

Blogger Otto Lamp October 30, 2016 8:37 AM  

#3,

That was my biggest problem with Romney. Mormonism fails the "reasonable man" test. No reasonable person could examine the evidence for Mormonism and conclude it was true.

Of course, the same can be said for Cruz's dad and the rest of the NAR (new apostolic reformation) crowd. No reasonable person could examine the evidence and conclude it was part of Christianity. It's as much an deviation from Christianity as Mormonism is.

Blogger Otto Lamp October 30, 2016 8:47 AM  

@24,

I'm betting Trump takes Massachusetts.

1) It's a state that routinely elects Republican governors.
2) It elected Brown specifically to stop Obamacare from passing (proving the electorate is totally brain dead).
3) If there was ever a state where the Bradley effect was in play, it's Mass.

Yea, I know the polls are against Trump in the state, but would be delicious watching talking heads announce Trump had won Mass. I wonder how many would cry as the said the words?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 30, 2016 8:49 AM  

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a powerful force.

Anonymous Mister M October 30, 2016 8:51 AM  

I'm disappointed to hear Trump use Romney's "repeal and replace" rhetoric with O'RomneyCare. Replace? This stuff about replacing always bothers me. When you have a cancerous tumor, what do you replace it with?

- Channelling my inner Tom Sowell...

Blogger tz October 30, 2016 8:51 AM  

Romney's problem is he was to the left of Ted Kennedy as Governor of MA so he had a record he couldn't run on. And being a globalist wouldn't be a populist. Then there's what happened to the Ron Paul delegates.

Ann Coulter mentioned he was the only anti-immigration candidate. Never heard about it during the campaign.

I wonder how many of his deals were shady and if Trump's DoJ will get to him.

Separate the Elephants from the RINOs.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 30, 2016 9:14 AM  

Romney failed in identity politics, even cornholer Bush II yucked it up and went to the ranch, now a days Bush hangs around with his fabulous friends in the city and rarely makes out into flyover country.

Blogger Harsh October 30, 2016 9:31 AM  

Mitt Romney is still alive?

Blogger Wanda Sherratt October 30, 2016 9:31 AM  

If I never hear the word "entrepreneur" from a Republican again, it will be too soon. Romney's STILL yakking on about them. Most people are NOT starting their own business, and never will. Most people are employees, and they could sense that Romney saw them as indistinguishable atoms.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 30, 2016 9:33 AM  

"Mormons worry about bigoty against Mormons in the US (even though it is non-existant)."

There are still plenty of Americans who wish the US Army had taken a few months out of exterminating the red savages to deal with this blasphemous cult.

Blogger rusty October 30, 2016 9:43 AM  

Vox...
Is this a Democratic Party "coup" ?
Is this the democratic party puging the "Clinton Cancer" ?
For once and for all ?
Using Weiner as a scapegoat and the "Trumpening"as legitimate "blowback"
to the "Clinton Crime Family"'s 25 year "reign of terror"?

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 30, 2016 10:59 AM  

A statistic that I've seen flying around lately suggests that Utah is the biggest state for financial fraud. Whatever else the puritan Utah Mormons are, they also are very naive and gullible.

Still, I strongly suspect that all of this McMullin business is just talk and will come to naught. Trump will win Utah solidly, and the whole thing will merely be a curious historical footnote. Perhaps more interesting but less significant than Anderson's run in 1980.

Anonymous Avalanche October 30, 2016 11:14 AM  

@44 "Trump use Romney's "repeal and replace" rhetoric"

For those of us without insurance -- or all those new freeriders under obamycare -- being told: "it's over" is NOT an enticement to vote! 'Repeal' appeals to the young being forced to buy what they don't want and don't need. 'Replace' somewhat assures those clinging desperately to their insanely rising-cost policies that they will NOT got to healtgh insurance hell all over again. (Except, they mostly don't see they are already on the downslope: MPIA!)

(I'm in the VA system; I have my sinecure for now, and have not been *subject* to the obamination's health insurance prison. Those who are -- not including the 27 million STILL not covered by obamycare -- are frightened of losing what little coverage they've got. "Replace" reassures.)

Blogger Justin C October 30, 2016 11:37 AM  

@42

You'd be surprised how much of Mass is favoring Trump out here.

The Cape is a notorious belt of old money/blue blood/vote democrat because "Kennedy!" and even they're favoring Trump in a big way.

Unfortunately, I doubt it will happen. I'd say a majority of the towns across the state will vote for Trump but that isn't where the population is.

The big cities: Boston, Fall River, Springfield, Brockton, New Bedford, Lynn, Lowell...etc. will go for Hillary and they are why we have a fairly large population for such a small state.

However, stranger things have happened in this state.

Legal death by "medical suicide" couldn't pass, Brown beat Coakely for the senate, and we (technically) have a Republican Governor currently. These are all recent events...last 4 years or so.

I think we're the biggest toss up out of the solid blue states...and we did vote for Reagan. So, it could happen.

Anonymous BGKB October 30, 2016 11:59 AM  

Taken as a political demographic, Mormons won't vote for white American interests, but they'll vote for a Mormon every single time

Doesn't their church have the power to force them to marry ugly women? If after the first 5 wives the rest are all harridans would you really want them?

Most people are NOT starting their own business, and never will. Most people are employees,

If TRUMP gets rid of 70% of regulations that might change.

Blogger exfarmkid October 30, 2016 12:02 PM  

29. VD "I just wish David French had accepted Kristol's nomination. His weeping meltdowns in the face of Alt-Right memes would have been epic."

I don't. The nausea would have been overwhelming.

Blogger Sean October 30, 2016 12:05 PM  

As a practicing Mormon, I can attest that this is true. It explains not only Egg McMuffin in Utah but Flake in Az as well. I might need to start putting red pills in the funeral potatoes.

Blogger Sean October 30, 2016 12:06 PM  

As a practicing Mormon, I can attest that this is true. It explains not only Egg McMuffin in Utah but Flake in Az as well. I might need to start putting red pills in the funeral potatoes.

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 30, 2016 12:09 PM  

I used to like Mitt until this election cycle. Many Utahans feel the same way. Have at him. I agree with Vox that Trump will win Utah, but probably not by as much as for past Republican nominees.

There are still plenty of Americans who wish the US Army had taken a few months out of exterminating the red savages to deal with this blasphemous cult.

The Extermination Order?
Johnstons Army?

Mormon doctrine is the irrational bit. It's in the detail, not the concept. Exactly. As a reluctant atheist with good friends who identify as all three stripes of sky god believers

You find Christ resurrected to be irrational. So pretty much all of Christianity.

Mormons worry about bigoty against Mormons in the US (even though it is non-existant)

How about Pastors Robert Jeffres and Mark Driscoll? Or Mike Huckabee?

Anonymous Margie October 30, 2016 12:19 PM  

I'm LDS and all but two of the members I know are voting for Trump. You have to remember that McMuffin looks VERY suspicious to us because he isn't married. "Good" little Mormons marry young and if they don't we start wondering. Any devout Mormon that tells you they aren't suspect of a 40+yo unmarried man is lying.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 30, 2016 12:21 PM  

Mormons won't vote for white American interests, but they'll vote for a Mormon every single time.

Mormons have generally isolated themselves from the wonders of diversity, so the Interests of White People is a concept still in the theoretical realm for them.

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 30, 2016 12:29 PM  

they'll vote for a Mormon every single time

Except Harry Reid.

Blogger Teri October 30, 2016 12:33 PM  

I want Mitt to just shut up. He had his chance and he blew it. Losers have run the party too long.

As for Mormons, we might want to figure out how they manage to have intact families and children.

Anonymous Gr8 Again October 30, 2016 12:54 PM  

Trump will win Utah. Enthusiasm for 3rd party candidates always trends toward zero by Election Day.

I think Romney would have been a tough competitor for Trump. His candidacy would have resulted in many of the other guys to bow out. Instead of a 16-candidate primary, it probably would have been more like 6: Trump, Romney, Jeb, Paul, Christie and Cruz.

With fewer competitors, the cuckservative vote may have quickly coalesced behind Romney. It would have quickly evolved to just Trump vs Cruz vs Romney. And Romney has better anti-immigration credentials than most other Republicans, taking away Trump's biggest primary advantage.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 30, 2016 1:08 PM  

I would like to see McMuffin win Utah as the first step in Deserexit.

Blogger bosscauser October 30, 2016 1:10 PM  

We'll have universal health coverage. Health Savings Accounts are private companies competing for business.
Or Hillary will enforce ObamaCare...

Let's go #Trump and hurry!

Blogger rcocean October 30, 2016 1:15 PM  

Hello? Why do Republicans always listen to losers? Why does anyone care what Cuck-Mitt thinks? He lost his Massachusetts senate run, was a one-term governor, lost in 2008, and lost in 2012. He constantly lies to the American people about his positions, and is the biggest open borders/globalist to run for President in the last 20 years.

"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go"

Blogger rcocean October 30, 2016 1:16 PM  

Mitt-Cuck has done everything he could do damage Trump and elect Hillary. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 30, 2016 1:22 PM  

I'm LDS and all but two of the members I know are voting for Trump. You have to remember that McMuffin looks VERY suspicious to us because he isn't married. "Good" little Mormons marry young and if they don't we start wondering. Any devout Mormon that tells you they aren't suspect of a 40+yo unmarried man is lying.

@59 Margie
Very interesting. Especially since LDS stakes have mixers and matchmakers and such to get their young people married off since they're not allowed to use booze. Makes you wonder just what Egghead was doing all these years...

Also, apparently, his mother decided she was a lesbian and divorced his father.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 30, 2016 1:26 PM  

Some Mormon acquaintances of mine, both in and out of Utah, feel good about McMullin because it allows for the correct virtue signaling. Voting for people who are not nice means that you are not nice, and many Mormon folks bend over backwards to be nice. McMullin gives them the safety valve they want, so they can preen about voting their principles/consciences.
VD wrote:Actually, I am confident Trump is still going to win Utah despite the NeverTrump silliness with Bill Kristol's weird little puppet-figure. Mormons may not like Trump's behavior, but they can't cling to their morally upright posturing and vote for a woman under FBI investigation either.
I do know some publisher industry folks in Utah (they are also Mormons) who voted early, and they voted for Hillary. They're pretty converged-- it was all about health care for all, and equal pay, and tribal identity with the hard left folks who run the industry. One opined about how he voted 3rd party years ago, and never figured back then he'd be voting for the Dem party this time! The Utahns I know of who are Democrats basically adhere to an anti-majority tribal identity ("We're hipper/smarter than all the rest of you dumb Republican Mormons"), and their virtue leans much towards Hillary (and Bernie) policies. Trump's flaws are less virtuous, in their eyes.

Blogger Desillusionerad October 30, 2016 1:26 PM  

Anyone have a clue how utah elector law works? - several states let their electors vote for whomever they want, and I can't belive they would not flip in a heartbeat if it meant keeping Her out of public housing.

Blogger Skyler the Weird October 30, 2016 1:38 PM  

The MSM pushed <<>> on us in 2012 primaries due to Romneycare. They needed a GOP nominee who couldn't hit Obama with the failures of his "Affordable Healthcare" act.

This year they promoted Trump due to his libido being close to Slick Willies but it's blown up in their face. People hate the Clintons so much they'll forgive anything to keep them out of Power.

Blogger Skyler the Weird October 30, 2016 1:40 PM  

<< Romney >>>

Blogger Badger Brigadon October 30, 2016 1:48 PM  

Why would anyone be offended?

Even as someone who likes and supports the LDS, The Typical 'Utahmormon' political stance borders on retarded.

They, like the Jews, are manipulated and cozened by a group of wealthy and amoral 'elites' who have an inordinately loud voice and constantly push their own antiamerican, neofeudalistic agenda cloaked as a 'general conference talk' that too many Mormons believe is inspired by god, and not accountants.

People like Mitt Romney and Orrin Hatch have violated one of the first unwritten commandments of the LDS church... "Thou shalt Not support a political candidate."
How soon their memories of getting run out of Missouri for playing political jew fade...

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 30, 2016 1:55 PM  

I would like to see McMuffin win Utah as the first step in Deserexit.

Deserexit, that's pretty funny. FYI, LDS people are familiar with the concept that countries can break apart when government becomes corrupt. But I don't think that process will start in Utah.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 30, 2016 2:10 PM  

@70 Look up 'Faithless Electors' on Infogalactic.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Faithless_elector

Some states have laws to punish faithless electors. In Michigan and Utah, an elector who fails to vote as required 'is considered to have resigned and a replacement is elected.' How constitutional that law is, who knows, but there's a law for it.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 30, 2016 2:18 PM  

Could it be that the Mormons don't fear immigration because they figure they'll just hang together and out-breed all the others? They might actually be right about that, unfortunately. Cultures such as the Mormon and the Amish have maintained a robust birth-per-woman ratio even as all the cultures surrounding them have crashed hard on that score.

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents October 30, 2016 2:53 PM  

Plenty of us remember 2012 when we were told to put Romneycare to one side, put gun grabbing to one side, put a whole lot of bad stuff to one side and vote for Mittens because Most Important Election Evah!.

Where's that precious party unity now? That's the real offense, that the GOPe specifically including Mittens, French, McMuffin and so forth who have played voters for suckers for years with Most Important Election, Evah turned around in current year and reneged.

So much for Party Unity, you losers. This will not be forgotten. Win or lose.

We. Will. Not. Forget. Betrayal.

Blogger Unknown the Elder October 30, 2016 2:59 PM  

@58 Got some of my links wrong. Here they are:

Johnstons Army (aka, the Utah War)
Extermination Order

Blogger VFM #7634 October 30, 2016 3:01 PM  

@rubberducky

There's more to it than that. The Amish are backing Trump.

Anonymous Kevin October 30, 2016 4:09 PM  

In order to beat Obama, a well loved president by his team, with some racial groups locked up unbelievably, Romney had to run a perfect campaign. He did not. Obama would be beating Trump like a rented mule, and generally destroying anyone you can think of. He was vulnerable but not easily. So there is some blame for Romney but pretending he lost an easy election is absurd.

However if Trump loses that will be true. If Romney had waited one cycle he would be winning easily. Elections and timing are funny things. Trump is going against one of the only people he could ever beat and ran in a year in which his unique voice could be heard because there were actually too many people in the primary.

I am disappointed Romney has been bagging on Trump. I am disappointed Mormons in Utah are losing it. But remember - Trump is a deplorable person who does not clearly represent their interests morally or politically. Given two bad options some people will decide to use voting to signal the whole process sucks. What does it matter if they gravitate towards a ridiculous Johnson or a ridiculous McMuffin?

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents October 30, 2016 4:20 PM  

@81
I am disappointed Romney has been bagging on Trump. I am disappointed Mormons in Utah are losing it. But remember - Trump is a deplorable person who does not clearly represent their interests morally or politically.

So?
Mittens Romney didn't represent my interests politically or morally; the right to self defense is a moral issue. But 2012 was the Most Important Election Evah I was told over and over. Ok, so I held my nose and voted as GOPe asked me to.

And this year? Hmm?

Given two bad options some people will decide to use voting to signal the whole process sucks.

We had two bad options in 2012, but it was Most Important Election Evah so GOPe urged people to not send signals that year.

And this year? Hmm?

What does it matter if they gravitate towards a ridiculous Johnson or a ridiculous McMuffin?

Because this really is one of the most important elections, ever?

Because partly loyalty is supposed to be a two way street rather than just one way?

Because current year is a good year to show your true colors?

Anonymous Utah4Trump October 30, 2016 10:32 PM  

I love the word Deserexit. I agree, I don't think it will be initiated by the LDS. I think the reestablishment of Zion in Missouri could happen first. I used to be a White Nationalist before joining the LDS Church. My first loyalty is to my family and Church. When I see alt right rhetoric on Facebook talking about making space in the ovens for Mormons it doesn't make me feel close to the alt right. It makes me want to defend my family and people

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 31, 2016 12:54 AM  

As for Mormons, we might want to figure out how they manage to have intact families and children.

Social approval and one of those self-improvement/time-management systems (I forget which one).

They share tips and practice zone defense, delegating as much as possible to the older kids, and creating written chore schedules for all. So once they have a couple of kids and get the system down, they can go to n+1 fairly smoothly.

(I have some Mormon relatives.)

Blogger Sherwood family October 31, 2016 1:20 AM  

As a Mormon who is vehemently and vociferously pro-Trump at this point, it pains me to see co-religionists drink the McMuffin Kool-aid. The issue I think, comes down to Trump's personal life/behavior versus a perception of the need to be nice. Mormons have internalized the need to be nice and sometimes forget that nice is not always good.

I have had discussions with a number of friends who talked about McMuffin and I asked them...who do you think he works for? Who do you think his election benefits? There is a strain of conspiracy theory recognition in the Book of Mormon (see secret combinations/Gadiantons) that allows them to stop and think for a moment. It was very disheartening for a couple of them when the lightbulb went on vis-a-vis McMuffin.

I think Trump will win Utah but it won't be by much.

As for children: SciVo de Plorable is right to an extent.

Children are a theological as well as social good. Zone defense does work and you can create systems for making things work smoothly. My wife homeschools our 5 and we are expecting number 6 soon.

In some ways the more you have the easier it is because you can have them help and entertain each other. You also realize what is age appropriate and what it simply individual personality.

That means that the later ones benefit from more seasoned parents who know better what is normal and what needs be stomped on immediately.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 31, 2016 1:30 AM  

Then Utah won't even matter, and all will be right in the world.

In my perfect world, Trump would win without Utah, causing the rest the country to ask "Why does pro-Americanism frighten Mormons?" Thereby forcing Mormons themselves to confront their issues and deal.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 31, 2016 9:40 AM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:In my perfect world, Trump would win without Utah, causing the rest the country to ask "Why does pro-Americanism frighten Mormons?" Thereby forcing Mormons themselves to confront their issues and deal.
Utah culture and the Mormon religion are NOT the same thing, as I can certainly easily see as a Mormon myself of several generations, but also an ethnic (Borderer) Southerner of impeccable lineage. Utah culture is deeply rooted in the Puritan New England cultural folkway, and after reading Albion's Seed, it's very easy to see the effects of that throughout much of the Church. These ideas are, however, cultural, not doctrinal; in fact much of the doctrine specifically eschews it.

Utah culture has the exact same strengths and weaknesses as ever other Puritan, New England descended cultural folkway—ambition and industriousness, a willingness to collude and collaborate at a communal level to accomplish things that other cultural folkways would not, due to their more individualistic natures, a high time preference and focus on delayed gratification in pursuit of goals, but also a tendency to go overboard and virtue-signal for status within the community, a tendency to ostracize and "file down" the individualist, a tolerance for and even sometimes embrace of community-scale tyranny and totalitarianism.

I think those tendencies are at play here; Utah culture is going to be a bit slower than the rest of the country to accept white identity, because it's been entrenched and indoctrinated (along with everybody else, of course) that such is a dis-civic attitude, and the reinforcement patterns of Utah culture is going to keep that perception going stronger than most. They'll come around again; white identity used to be commonplace among Utah culture before (((the Establishment))) started their indoctrination campaign all across America to snuff it out, but they'll be a bit slower than most to get on the wagon, I predict.

I think Trump will win Utah, and by a comfortable margin. Virtue-signaling is one thing, but in the secrecy of the ballot box, most people vote in their own best interest, and as pointed out earlier, they've even got the cover that they need from guys like Mike Lee to vote for Trump and justify it to themselves, even without the need to accept white nationalism or reject (yet) the proposition nation.

Anonymous yukonyon October 31, 2016 9:56 AM  

Perhaps one reason Mormons are afraid of anything pro-Americanism is because most of them automatically associate "manifest destiny" with religious persecution.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 01, 2016 1:32 AM  

But Deplorable Gaiseric, Trump's pro-Americanism is pan-ethnic. Perhaps in 2020 a white nationalist will be on the ballot, but not today.

Your argument is based on a false premise, but that works for me. You gave evidence for my point, that they're avoiding dealing with their real issues by making up fake reasons for the conclusions dictated by their feelings.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric November 01, 2016 9:34 AM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:But Deplorable Gaiseric, Trump's pro-Americanism is pan-ethnic. Perhaps in 2020 a white nationalist will be on the ballot, but not today.

Your argument is based on a false premise, but that works for me. You gave evidence for my point, that they're avoiding dealing with their real issues by making up fake reasons for the conclusions dictated by their feelings.

I wasn't trying to disagree with you, just add to the discussion. Trump's pro-Americanism is pan-ethnic to a degree, but also not. Trump's whole appeal is based on the fact that historically American culture and norms need to be respected and returned to. You and I, I presume, know that America's historical culture and norms are based on the people that created them, and the unassimilated "new American" in sufficient numbers is a threat to that. But that's a step farther than most people have (so far) accepted. We've connected the dots that America is still unwilling to connect. Trump is baby-steps as yet. But anyone further along the Hard Right path wouldn't be able to be elected. Trump is a necessary Overton Window shifting first step.

I actually wonder if Trump is more racially aware than he pretends to be, though. He's careful with what he says, but there may well be a reason other than wishful thinking and projection that causes White Nationalists to read their own messages between the lines of Trump's more mainstream comments, sometimes.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric November 01, 2016 9:37 AM  

Speaking of giving cover to identity politics voting Mormons, Mitt Romney's nephew just posted an endorsement of Trump that's starting to float around on Facebook among members of the Church. Like I said, I think there is sufficient cover that even with the loud virtue-signaling that goes on in Utah about being unwilling to vote for Trump because reasons and women and whatever, he's going to win the state comfortably.

McMullin, on the other hand, just raised his profile from "absolutely nobody" to someone well positioned to run for Senator or Representative or Governor of Utah. I wonder, sometimes, if that wasn't a significant component of the plan all along.

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