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Sunday, October 16, 2016

I wish I played violin

This is the coolest musical thing I have seen since the invention of the sampler. Can you imagine what Charlie Daniels might have done with that thing?

71 Comments:

Blogger Salt October 16, 2016 10:35 AM  

That's insanely good.

Anonymous Wyrd October 16, 2016 10:46 AM  

Hella cool.

Blogger Bard October 16, 2016 10:51 AM  

Crazy talent

Blogger Morgan Holmes October 16, 2016 10:53 AM  

Imagine what Ultravox could have done with this.

Blogger bob k. mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 16, 2016 10:59 AM  

VD
Can you imagine what Charlie Daniels might have done with that thing?



can you imagine that if you had used your InfoGalactic page to research the subject you would know that Charlie Daniels is alive ... and still touring ... and thus, might still use it?

http://infogalactic.com/info/Charlie_Daniels

Blogger Nate October 16, 2016 10:59 AM  

The sampler is abomination. The only thing that has done more harm to is the God forsaken drum machine

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 16, 2016 11:02 AM  

Sometimes I like to imagine what Mozart or Beethoven could have done with modern music capabilities, transcription machines, multiple new instruments, and the like. Would a cochlear implant for Beethoven done something that prevented the Ninth Symphony from being conceived?

I wanted to show my son this video until he started using his bow to hit the cymbal. Don't want to plant any bad ideas.

Anonymous Wyrd October 16, 2016 11:06 AM  

Electronic trickery can be fun. I love my Mel 9 pedal that turns my Les Paul into a Mellotron:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiTHc8d9D20

Anonymous Clay October 16, 2016 11:21 AM  

I prefer the cello.

yeah, I know it's a tricky 3D thing.

Anonymous Dave October 16, 2016 11:22 AM  

3D printing is cool and all but the real trick is the electronics. A cardboard box will make sounds too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6cTbaBApM4

I wanted to see if he would break the violin bow over the cymbal but it appears he hits it with the handle.

bob k: heh

Blogger VD October 16, 2016 11:27 AM  

can you imagine that if you had used your InfoGalactic page to research the subject you would know that Charlie Daniels is alive ... and still touring ... and thus, might still use it?

I know that. But you see, Bob, being, unlike you, a former musician, I recognize that old Charlie Daniels will never do anything interesting with the new technological possibilities. Even if he uses it, which he probably won't. Old dogs seldom explore new tech.

Young Charlie Daniels might well have.

Blogger cheddarman October 16, 2016 11:29 AM  

why no hollow body on the 3-D violin? It seems as if it is lacking the "warmth" of a fine violin made of wood.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 16, 2016 11:29 AM  

I don't see what is special about the 3d printed violin. The pickup setup and tuners on it could be installed on a block of red oak from home depot for similar effect. (I get that the printer reduces the skill and effort needed by the luthiery, but that's all).

Seems what Vox is impressed by is his setup. If that's so Shane Speale or Seasick Steve, or a number of buskers around the world will blow your mind as well.

I make folk instruments, mostly from cigar boxes and found junk. Guitars, Banjos, Mandos, cajons, stompboxes, etc. Been doing it for years, with hand tools and handmade power tools mostly.

I DEFINITELY agree this guy has an awesome setup and immense skill. But there's nothing new here except the 3d printed fiddle.

Granted, I might have missed something in my haste to impersonate a buggy whip maker going after the Dodge brothers. But color me doubtful.

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 11:30 AM  

This is all about the sampler, not the violin. Daniels could have been doing this sort of thing for at least a decade, with a plastic violin made from injection molding or carving, that he ordered over the Internet for a few hundred bucks. China pumps them out by the ton.

Jean Luc-Ponty and Laurie Anderson have been. Although my Steinberger, codeveloped with Laurie, is CNC cut from wood.

Call me when they 3D print a violin that sounds good acoustic.

Anonymous Shawn October 16, 2016 11:35 AM  

his facial expression at times says it perfectly: as a matter of fact, I AM all that

Anonymous Shawn October 16, 2016 11:41 AM  

and i have the good fortune of enjoying a son who plays the viola, while his wife plays the violin

Blogger bob k. mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 16, 2016 11:50 AM  

11. VD October 16, 2016 11:27 AM
But you see, Bob, being, unlike you, a former musician,



but you see, i'm not a former musician ... perhaps i need an InfoGalactic page?

( stealth shilling intensifies )

Blogger Frank Lin October 16, 2016 11:58 AM  

In terms of musical interest, the key technology here is the foot pedal looper, not the printed violin.

The polymer instrument would not resonate as well as a wooden Stradivarius. It's actually a pretty generic violin sound. Most of the character comes from the pickups. Now if those were printed we'd be on the something.

Anonymous Kolya October 16, 2016 12:01 PM  

Charlie Daniels lived across the hwy from my in-laws now decreased. One would be hard pressed to find a finer Christian man from a 'smoked filled past'. Memories flood in, Volunteer Jam, Bare Foot Jerry, pre crash Skynard. VD our longed haired country boy must be left alone.

Blogger S1AL October 16, 2016 12:02 PM  

"The sampler is abomination. The only thing that has done more harm to is the God forsaken drum machine"

Whatever, grandpa. Go play your vinyls.

Anonymous Dave October 16, 2016 12:17 PM  

@19 that's the worst...being decreased, well maybe not as bad as that other

Anonymous Didas Kalos October 16, 2016 12:23 PM  

Charlie Daniels sometimes has on stage a young man from Indiana/Alabama named Jess Ford who can play 'The Devil Went Down To Georgia' as well as anyone. Engineer from Purdue.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 16, 2016 12:23 PM  

In my sleep deprived pre-coffee state, I thought Vox had mentioned the invention of the stapler.

Blogger James Dixon October 16, 2016 12:24 PM  

> Even if he uses it, which he probably won't. Old dogs seldom explore new tech.

Hey, NAMALT. :)

Blogger dienw October 16, 2016 12:25 PM  

VD
I know that. But you see, Bob, being, unlike you, a former musician, I recognize that old Charlie Daniels will never do anything interesting with the new technological possibilities. Even if he uses it, which he probably won't. Old dogs seldom explore new tech.

Young Charlie Daniels might well have.


Neither do old cats. but playing with puppies and kittens revitalizes old dogs and cats.

I am a 67 y.o. artist and I have a six months old kitten always curious, always taking risks , always testing its strength, and always alive. During my fifteen minute walk down to the coffee shop, I realized that I had in front of me a key to regaining a lively imagination.

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 12:27 PM  

I sense a theme emerging in this thread.

Blogger dienw October 16, 2016 12:31 PM  

12. cheddarman

why no hollow body on the 3-D violin? It seems as if it is lacking the "warmth" of a fine violin made of wood.


I thought that too; then I realized the key sound to be considered was the sound given by the length of the "strings" not its modification by the hollow box. Am I far from being wrong when I say that the violin exists to create the range of sound those lengths are capable of?

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 12:45 PM  

The sound is being produced by the pickups sending a signal to the synthesizer, which is what generates the output.

The violin is a just a controller. The body could could be hacked out of a cinder block.

Steinberger and Anderson spent two years developing their violin. All of about two minutes of that was in developing the body. The rest of the time was all about the electronics.

Blogger CM October 16, 2016 12:48 PM  

dienw wrote:12. cheddarman

why no hollow body on the 3-D violin? It seems as if it is lacking the "warmth" of a fine violin made of wood.


I thought that too; then I realized the key sound to be considered was the sound given by the length of the "strings" not its modification by the hollow box. Am I far from being wrong when I say that the violin exists to create the range of sound those lengths are capable of?



I think the hollow box is what allows acoustic to carry. It is a built in amplifier. Without the hollow box, you need an electric amp to project the sound.

Quality of sound can be affected by several parts of a violin, the strings being but a part of it. I'm not entirely certain on this though. My experience with stringed instruments is limited to the piano and I DO know that the form of a grand piano allows for fuller sound and that is more than simply mallets hitting strings.

Blogger Ben Cohen October 16, 2016 12:52 PM  

This is the devil's work.

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 12:55 PM  

I think the hollow box is what allows acoustic to carry. It is a built in amplifier."

Specifically, a type of amplifier known as a resonator. The strings vibrate the box, which has much greater area than the strings, so it can vibrate more air.

With an electric instrument the strings vibrate an electromagnetic field, which vibrates a speaker cone.

It is the speaker which generates the sound, not the instrument.

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 12:59 PM  

For the fullest sound the size of the box must be the size to create a harmonic resonance with the note being played. That is why a cello is overall larger than a violin, not just longer.

Anonymous coyote October 16, 2016 1:01 PM  

@30 sir- with all respect: in what way do you feel this is the devil's work any more than this instrument we communicate with right now?

Anonymous Wyrd October 16, 2016 1:05 PM  

Steinberger basses were the devil's work in the '80s. Followed shortly by Wals. Nasty bass fart tones, Precious!

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 1:06 PM  

Addendum: " . . .which vibrates a speaker cone."

Hence the acoustic tuning is done to the box that houses the speaker cone. The speaker is not an "accessory," it is an integral part of the instrument.

Blogger Shadowjoser October 16, 2016 1:16 PM  

I just saw Lindsey Stirling in Minnesota, she is a violinist who plays with dubstep and electronic accompaniment. I love stuff like this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6LD2B_kDQ

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 1:16 PM  

I'm saving my pennies for a Steinberger cello. Note that as it is an electric instrument, it is simply longer than the violin. It is the speaker that needs to produce the longer bass waves and thus has to be of greater size.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 16, 2016 1:48 PM  

He gets some really nice sound out of that thing.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 16, 2016 1:51 PM  

cheddarman wrote:why no hollow body on the 3-D violin? It seems as if it is lacking the "warmth" of a fine violin made of wood.

I'm thinking that's why he isn't yet trying to emulate the sound of an acoustic violin. It's a high mark to shoot for though, making acoustic violins is very difficult.

Anonymous DC(#sqrt(-1)) October 16, 2016 1:54 PM  

I enjoyed that. But have to agree, most of the magic was the electronics (which I'd love to get a good look at as that really tickles my inner nerd).

But if you want talent, beauty, and such...running around barefoot and not missing a note, I give the Ilk this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ttrQ38mOc

Anonymous Bob Just October 16, 2016 1:55 PM  

VD

No love for the Haken continuum or Eigenharp?

Anonymous Bob Just October 16, 2016 1:58 PM  

Or just do a Whitesnake-sque - bow with your 3D printed guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWa8sEgpOrM

Blogger Nick S October 16, 2016 2:11 PM  

Charlie Daniels? I'm thinking Robby Steinhardt.

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Blogger Skyler the Weird October 16, 2016 2:42 PM  

I'm a Lindsay Stirling fan. That violin would have been perfect for this video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjpOzsQ9YI

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Blogger Fenris Wulf October 16, 2016 3:06 PM  

I recorded an electric cellist a while back. Musically, it was very interesting, but the sound didn't thrill me. Electric bowed instruments always have an ugly high end, because the waveform is harmonically dense and it highlights any phase or frequency anomalies in the pickup system. The pickups focus on one small area of the string, instead of picking up harmonics from the entire length of the string. Electric guitars don't have this problem, because the waveform is simpler and more percussive.

Blogger DrAndroSF October 16, 2016 3:08 PM  

All techno issues aside, it is a pleasure to see and hear a European man happily making joyful music.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 16, 2016 4:10 PM  

I'll stick my own fiddle/violin bow into this thread...
I don't care much for the style of music this guy plays-- I'm a player of traditional music, and I love the look, sound and feel of the traditional wooden acoustic instrument. But apparently this guy can play. The skill seems to be there, although it's hard to tell with all the sonic textures and looping going on. It's really not so much the 3-d printed violin that we're listening to, but all the hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars of electronics he's got going on around it. What could he do without the looping?
Lindsay Stirling can play, but the histrionics (Hey, look at me! I can dance AND play!) are off-putting to me. It's a slick commercial package pandering to modern taste and media sensibilities--many people love it, and I don't. Again, it's a matter of taste, and as such it's not really debatable. At least it may be attracting young people to the instrument, and she has a career doing what she loves.
I'd much rather watch (and listen to) Natalie MacMaster play a traditional Cape Breton style and occasionally step dance to it. But she doesn't do it ALL THE TIME like Stirling does. And MacMaster is playing in a tradition that has existed for a few hundred years.
Now you kids get off my lawn and turn those thumpa thumpa stereos down!

Blogger Skyler the Weird October 16, 2016 4:31 PM  

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Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 6:00 PM  

@55:

Net fame ruined Lindsay. Here she is before she got all silly, playing Dougie MacClean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XaZpnFJf0E

Natalie's alright, as is Hanneke Cassel who tends to keep things a bit closer to the traditional side. I really miss John Cunningham.

And the combo of Alasdair Fraser and Natalie Hass has got to be God's own music.

Blogger James Dixon October 16, 2016 6:01 PM  

Well, you know you've reached the big time when you get spammers posting in your violin threads. :)

Anonymous BGKB October 16, 2016 6:41 PM  

The violin is a just a controller. The body could could be hacked out of a cinder block.

I imagine there wouldn't be many women violin players then.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 16, 2016 7:31 PM  

kfg wrote:@55:

Net fame ruined Lindsay. Here she is before she got all silly, playing Dougie MacClean:


I don't think that's Sterling in that clip...I think it's somebody else named Jenny O'Connor (calling herself "the Hot Violinist") wearing that silly costume. Unless she changed her name, which I don't think she did. I'm not sure net fame has ruined Sterling-- I haven't tracked her career long enough to say she's gotten better or worse now that she's an international performing star. I understand that the Europeans love her schtick.

Natalie's alright, as is Hanneke Cassel who tends to keep things a bit closer to the traditional side. I really miss John Cunningham.
And the combo of Alasdair Fraser and Natalie Hass has got to be God's own music.


The real deal was Natalie's uncle Buddy, who passed away a few years ago.
Johnny Cunningham was a good player, indeed. I have always liked Charlie McKerron of Capercaillie.
(an aside on Capercaillie: I much prefer them in their non experimental, non-club-oriented phases--and they should stop letting Donald Shaw write songs for them, because his stuff is trite and nowhere near as strong as the traditional stuff.)
There is something about the drive of the Scottish fiddlers I have found more interesting than the Irish tradition-- unless, of course, we head up to Donegal where the two traditions blended and we get Altan.
I don't know Natalie Hass...I shall look her up on the wonderful world of the Internet.

Blogger John Williams October 16, 2016 7:36 PM  

why no hollow body on the 3-D violin?
That's standard on an electric violin.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 16, 2016 7:44 PM  

KFG:
I found a representative video Alasdair Fraser and Natalie Haas together, for those who are curious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0bWPjQPOv4

Anonymous kfg October 16, 2016 7:51 PM  

"I don't think that's Sterling in that clip...I think it's somebody else named Jenny O'Connor (calling herself "the Hot Violinist"). . ."

You are correct, I had a brain fart.

" . . . wearing that silly costume."

That comes from her Ren Fair days. Uniform of the show.

"I don't know Natalie Hass..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqQIKHPHXhc

Anonymous my soul October 16, 2016 10:20 PM  

My god, what trash. No harmony, just stupid. Of all the great music the West has produced, you highlight this. Be careful, this sort of bad judgement seriously discredits your politics.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackerboy October 16, 2016 11:30 PM  

3D print one of these out of gold, stage a violin contest in Atlanta, and let's see what Charlie Daniels has to say about that ...

:-)

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 17, 2016 2:43 AM  

Yeah, but when is somebody going to 3D print a Norwegian Hardanger fiddle, or a Swedish Nyckelharpa?
If we could get the prices of those things down a bit, I'm game to snatch them up and learn them.

Blogger Scott Birch October 17, 2016 7:23 AM  

@64 It's technology that has been highlighted here. Do you not see the potential? With a little planning and practice, four-part harmony would be easy. Ostinato is a perfectly valid form. He could Vivaldi that rig nicely.

Unimaginative snobs everywhere.

Anonymous pseudotsuga October 17, 2016 1:38 PM  

Scott Birch wrote:@64 It's technology that has been highlighted here. Do you not see the potential? With a little planning and practice, four-part harmony would be easy. Ostinato is a perfectly valid form. He could Vivaldi that rig nicely.

But the four part harmony has nothing to do with the instrument, and everything to do with the recording technology underneath. You can do the same thing, crudely, with a few old cassette recorders, after all.

It's one thing to point at the instrument and point out what it can do, and what it sounds like. Okay... I don't hear anything different in what this guy does...it's yet another electric violin, but it's all 3D printed and stuff. I think that's pretty interesting--but not for this guys use of sequencers and loops.
I can see printing these off in 1/4 or 1/2 size and using them for student instruments because (a) cheap (yet playable) and (b) rugged (dropping violins does not make them happy) and (c) quieter (to keep from driving everybody else crazy while your budding Vivaldi learns practices scales and saws out Mary Had a Little Lamb repeatedly). Just plug in some of those Beats that all the trendy kids are rocking, and little Antonio's good to go for his hourly practice.

It's another thing to point at the gadgetry he's got it plugged into...which may be new and spiffy, but I'm not sure his use of it is all that innovative. I view it this way because this isn't my kind of music, and I've only played to get a traditional sound (studio and live), so I can't comment with much experience or interest on his use of the electronics.
It's kind of fun to plug one's fiddle into various guitar boxes and pedals and amps and stuff and mess with them. One of the weirdest sounds I've managed to make was putting my Fishman piezo pickup onto a hurdy gurdy bridge, running it through some effects and making some heavy metal distortion. Rock on!
I wonder how one would effectively use pickups to catch the sound of sympathetic strings (such as those found on the Hardanger fiddles, the Nyckelharpa, and the Sitar)?

So, anyway, there's playing the instrument (at which this guy in the video is fine), and then there's playing the sounds, aka the recording engineer. It's interesting to some to create a gee-whiz techno Loop the Loop package, but other folks find it not to their interests.

Blogger Scott Birch October 17, 2016 3:27 PM  

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Blogger Scott Birch October 17, 2016 3:29 PM  

What interested me is the accessibility. How much does a workable electric violin have to cost now? How many hundreds of dollars does one have to throw at Ebay to get a rig similar to what he's got there with the printed violin? I agree there's no quantum leap in musical skill nor audio tech, but the price of entry is now so much lower. That will mean a lot when the next financial crisis comes. We may still be able to hear interesting things.

As well, the one-man band nature of what he's doing. I found that interesting. I want to give it a try.

Anonymous kfg October 17, 2016 3:44 PM  

"How many hundreds of dollars does one have to throw at Ebay to get a rig similar to what he's got there with the printed violin?"

Less than fitting our your 3D printed body would cost you. As I mentioned above, China makes them by the ton.

3D printing makes the first unit faster and cheaper, but not the millionth unit.

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