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Tuesday, October 18, 2016

It took them long enough

National Review finally comes around on Trump, in the form of a lengthy VDH article:
Something has gone terribly wrong with the Republican party, and it has nothing to do with the flaws of Donald Trump. Something like his tone and message would have to be invented if he did not exist. None of the other 16 primary candidates — the great majority of whom had far greater political expertise, more even temperaments, and more knowledge of issues than did Trump — shared Trump’s sense of outrage — or his ability to convey it — over what was wrong: The lives and concerns of the Republican establishment in the media and government no longer resembled those of half their supporters.

The Beltway establishment grew more concerned about their sinecures in government and the media than about showing urgency in stopping Obamaism. When the Voz de Aztlan and the Wall Street Journal often share the same position on illegal immigration, or when Republicans of the Gang of Eight are as likely as their left-wing associates to disparage those who want federal immigration law enforced, the proverbial conservative masses feel they have lost their representation. How, under a supposedly obstructive, conservative-controlled House and Senate, did we reach $20 trillion in debt, institutionalize sanctuary cities, and put ourselves on track to a Navy of World War I size? Compared with all that, “making Mexico pay” for the wall does not seem all that radical. Under a Trump presidency the owner of Univision would not be stealthily writing, as he did to Team Clinton, to press harder for open borders — and thus the continuance of a permanent and profitable viewership of non-English speakers.

Trump’s outrageousness was not really new; it was more a 360-degree mirror of an already outrageous politics as usual. One does not need lectures about conservatism from Edmund Burke when, at the neighborhood school, English becomes a second language, or when one is rammed by a hit-and-run driver illegally in the United States who flees the scene of the accident. Do our elites ever enter their offices to find their opinion-journalism jobs outsourced at half the cost to writers in India?
It sounds to me as if the conservative media is beginning to worry that they went too far and are beginning to understand that they have lost a significant portion of their audience. They preened and postured, and now, if Hillary wins, they will be tied to her like an anchor forever.

I can't speak for anyone else, but as for me, they simply have no credibility as political observers. Their position never made one single iota of sense.

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106 Comments:

Anonymous DissidentRight October 18, 2016 8:03 AM  

The only reason an article like that got through is because they genuinely believe he is going to lose either way.

Always counting their chickens before they hatch...

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 18, 2016 8:12 AM  

Too little, too late. Fool me twice...

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 18, 2016 8:15 AM  

VDH has a lot more sense than most of the NR crowd. He spotted the abandonment of the lower middle class years ago.

Blogger Rantor October 18, 2016 8:16 AM  

They also worked to damn America with a second Clinton presidency.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 18, 2016 8:16 AM  

I think people like the NeverTrumpers are using the line that, if Hillary wins, it is the fault of Trump voters for not choosing a "true conservative". Nonsense of course but my impression is that they think they will be in a position to morally preen if Trump loses rather than being labelled as traitors. See e.g., Erick Erickson who is trying to talk up McMullin so Trump won't get Utah's electoral votes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 18, 2016 8:19 AM  

But, but people are a fungible commodity. Spewing that nonsense is a pretty good gig if you make it up the ladder high enough. How Burkean conservatism has degenerated into that is a story in itself. Imagine all those genius conservative intellectuals defending Magic Dirt Theory, South Park has more credibility

Blogger Basil Makedon October 18, 2016 8:20 AM  

VHD is a Professor of Classics and Military History. His controversial thesis is that there is a "Western way of War" that focuses on decisive battles and shock action that was developed by the Ancient Greeks and down the ages from there.

He also owns a family farm/vineyard in California.

He has always been against illegal immigration and is the exception at NR.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 18, 2016 8:20 AM  

VDH needs to stick to the Peloponesian War. The rest of them can fuck off.

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Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 18, 2016 8:22 AM  

These guys are dead to me no matter what they write now. Nothing could possibly make up for the abuse they've heaped on Trump's supporters. Any sense I might have had that a few of them were writing from a position that, while mistaken, was still essentially intellectually honest, is thoroughly and completely gutted. Kevin Williamson, for instance? I'll never read another word the man has to say.

Blogger Whisker biscuit October 18, 2016 8:26 AM  

Too late. They're backtracking in hopes of regaining readers after the Trumpslide---or the fallout of a rigged election with the inevitable results.

After the Wikileaks, I'm guessing a good portion of Americsns are done with the media in general.

Blogger VD October 18, 2016 8:28 AM  

FFS, Basil, comment once and leave it alone.

Blogger Lovekraft October 18, 2016 8:30 AM  

A line from a Morrissey song comes to mind:

"I trust the views of certain people I know
They look at danger and they laugh their heads off."

Blogger Wanda Sherratt October 18, 2016 8:32 AM  

Burke has become the equivalent of the Holy Spirit to these guys: a sort of disembodied ideal that floats overhead inspiring us to great works. Burke had his own country to worry about. He wouldn't have been at ALL pleased if an endless flotilla of little boats filled with French peasants embarked for England. And he sure wouldn't have shrugged and said, "But they're Christians, just like us! They're natural conservatives!"

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist October 18, 2016 8:33 AM  

And yet the NR editors yesterday slammed Trump and on Twitter actually went after Jeff Sessions for claiming that there is rigging and voter fraud. I think the only one with any sense over there is VDH.

NRO's fervently opposition to Trump way back when they put out that "The Case Against Trump" cover demonstrated the lie that they are small government conservatives. And went Trump took second in Iowa, they were so contemptuously gleeful. They thought they had helped end his chances. Of course, he won New Hampshire which they expected Bush to win and swept all delegates in South Carolina, which they expected Cruz to get and the rest is history. They then turned into the snarky, sore loser opposition. Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson's opposition was the most surprising. I genuinely didn't think they were Beltway shills. Oh well.

[I'm done with NRO. I won't even click and read the full article above. I'm done with the Weekly Standard and Town Hall and all of them. All of the Globalist right. I'm actually clearing myself of Globlist media in every possible way. I use Brave on PC and my phone. I use DuckDuckGo instead of Google. I deleted Facebook and Twitter and only use Gab for social media. I'll use Infogalactic instead of Wikipedia. I only read Drudge and Breibart now for news and on Drudge, I won't click a link that leads to any MSM site. Not even Fox, which has turned left under Murdoch's sons. I watch zero TV news at all. No more Globalist shills. No more quisling media on the "right." And it is too late for any of them to try and make nice now for whatever reason they want or need to. Fool me once and all...]

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum October 18, 2016 8:37 AM  

If I had to described the American people's feelings towards the Mainstream Media today...

We are few empty beer cans away from hanging charred bodies from a bridge like Fallujah in 2004.

Blogger Sherwood family October 18, 2016 8:41 AM  

VDH has lots of interesting things to say on war, classics, and agriculture. His enthusiasm for the war in Iraq is something I think we all acknowledge was a pretty serious mistake in judgment. (I made the same mistake and only as that disaster unfolded began rethinking what "conservative" means and what relation, if any, it bore to the views of the Neo-cons.)

VDH is well suited to talk about the menace of immigration, especially illegal immigration.

Anonymous Jeremy October 18, 2016 8:43 AM  

Link appears to be broken. Article taken down, perhaps?

Anonymous JamesV October 18, 2016 8:44 AM  

NR will probably fire VDH for this article.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 18, 2016 8:45 AM  

They haven't 'come around' to Trump, this is just the parasite trying to join the trend once they can't destroy it outright.

Join and subvert of course. They must be rejected outright.

Blogger David Power October 18, 2016 8:49 AM  

"the conservative media is beginning to worry that they went too far and are beginning to understand that they have lost a significant portion of their audience"



If thecunt is allowed to steel this election there will be a great reckoning. And not just politically. There are already several products I will never buy again, several actors I will never watch again, several singers I will never listen to again, several news papers I will never read again, several TV channels I will never switch on again.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 18, 2016 8:51 AM  

@1 DissidentRight:

The only reason an article like that got through is because they genuinely believe he is going to lose either way.

Or they didn't have the courage to purge him as well, or it slipped through when it would normally have been spiked, we can't assume their editorial process is perfect.

@18 Sherwood family:

His enthusiasm for the war in Iraq is something I think we all acknowledge was a pretty serious mistake in judgment.

Was it enthusiasm for the initial war, or the attempt at nation building afterwards? Because I still support the former, Saddam's Iraq was a bleeding wound after the first Gulf War (remember the No Fly Zones mess?), and it was pretty much required we kill him after he tried to killed ex-President G. H. W. Bush.

Perhaps he didn't conceive of just how badly the aftermath could and would be bungled?

Blogger Chris Mallory October 18, 2016 8:51 AM  

Most of the "conservative" media lost all credibility 15 years ago when they went Full NeoContard after 9/11. Hanson loved our Imperial wars back then. A pox upon them all.

Anonymous trev006 October 18, 2016 8:51 AM  

Has National Review ever seemed worthwhile? Looking back, Jonah Goldberg can be amusing and clever, and I thought his previous interactions with Vox have been entertaining. I would understand others cutting him slack for the Jon Stewart interview alone.

But... he was never actually on your side. NRO makes part of their money from gullible idiots who send them subscriber fees, and the rest from their donors. It's just a think tank there to motivate GOP voters into a frenzy while denying them a path that might threaten elite power. Resisting the limited change of Trump, especially by saying that he is "unconstructive," has completely destroyed them.

Of course, there is no point donating to a magazine held in violent contempt by the population that it tries to keep under control. I can't imagine the future looks any brighter for Vichy GOP than it does for Marshal Petain, and for the same reasons.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 18, 2016 8:54 AM  

Yeah, VDH was basically the only reason to check out NR. But he had his own website and his work was aggregated elsewhere anyways.

Sherwood family wrote:His enthusiasm for the war in Iraq is something I think we all acknowledge was a pretty serious mistake in judgment. (I made the same mistake and only as that disaster unfolded began rethinking what "conservative" means and what relation, if any, it bore to the views of the Neo-cons.)

His support was more of the "let's take care of this clash of civilizations thing" more than a "Bush is great" thing, though I'm not totally fluent in all of VDH's Iraq War writings.

In the abstract I agree that the geopolitical strategy of making a battlefield elsewhere to attract terrorists/insurgents is not terrible, if expensive. I just knew that the US would be PC about it and not actually do what was necessary to win and mumped up the strategy from the beginning.

That also led me to rethink what "conservatives" were really after and that they weren't conservative at all really. As you said, they were "neo-cons."

But, good on VDH.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 18, 2016 8:55 AM  

@19 Jeremy:

Link appears to be broken. Article taken down, perhaps?

This link works, it's the same with "donald-trump-conservatives-should-vote-president" appended, and was the top Google selection when I searched for a complete sentence in it with double quotes to make sure I got an article with exactly that sentence.

Anonymous Son of Liberty October 18, 2016 8:57 AM  

I've read/followed VDH long before he began writing at NR. I believe he's MUCH less invested in the political elite than the rest of NR, such as Lowry/Nordlinger/French. While he wasn't a fan of Trump himself, he was also more sympathetic to Trump's message and supporters than the rest of that crew (who have shown nothing but disdain to both).

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 18, 2016 8:59 AM  

And to be fair to VDH, historians tend to be somewhat ponderous in their reactions. All that researching in dusty old books gets to them sometimes ;)

VDH's writings on Third World California are good, if depressing.

He's also pretty clever - his writings basically made Trump's argument without endorsing. He must have hit some monetary windfall or finally reread some of his history and went "Oh, Syracuse fought back against the Athenians! Oops! I forgot they didn't just surrender 'out of principle'!"

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 18, 2016 9:01 AM  

As Bobby Farr said, "too little too late." Once a cuck, always a chuck. If these cucks want mercy and forgiveness, they should seek Jesus. For the Alt-Right will grant neither, and rightly so.

This article looks more to me like a lame attempt of NR to say to all of the readers who abandoned them, "hey come back! We finally get it now! Everything will be all right baby!"

Problem for them is, the Alt-Right is the hot biker boyfriend of political groups right now, while NR is the Whatever blog.

OpenID boardroomal October 18, 2016 9:01 AM  

Headline Drudge

"65 Million Non-English People in USA"...Arabic fasted growing

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/record-64-7-million-non-english-speakers-in-u-s/

Son of a bitch these people are traitors

OpenID boardroomal October 18, 2016 9:06 AM  

Should say, "Non-English Speaking"...with Arabic the fastest growing...sorry

Blogger The Z Blog October 18, 2016 9:26 AM  

National Review has seen its site traffic collapse over the last year. Their subscriber base to the paper magazine has vanished to the graveyard. Hilariously, they outsourced their commenting to Faceberg and now hardly anyone bothers to comment on their articles. That resulted in the editor begging for feedback about how to make the site better.

Without a handful of rich people and the suckers who kick in money to their bag-a-thons, the site would go dark. That's true of most of Conservative Inc. Behind all of them is a not-for-profit company setup to collect donations from rich people. The people running these things pay themselves six figure salaries so they can live 1% lifestyles in DC and NYC. John Podhoretz, for example, pays himself $400K a year to run Commentary Magazine.

Blogger Elocutioner October 18, 2016 9:28 AM  

Did a Conservative just get mugged by reality?

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 18, 2016 9:28 AM  

VDH isn't quite there yet. In his even more recent article, http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441158/presidential-election-2016-media-political-institutions-wikileaks-hillary-clinton, he takes it as a given that the Republican party will return to Establishment normalcy and that the Trump supporters, rather than the "Ryan pragmatists" are the nihilistic ones.

Blogger Lovekraft October 18, 2016 9:31 AM  

22 David Power: "If thecunt is allowed to steel this election there will be a great reckoning. And not just politically. There are already several products I will never buy again, several actors I will never watch again, several singers I will never listen to again, several news papers I will never read again, several TV channels I will never switch on again."

This.

VD broke important ground establishing the SJW-list. Breitbart occasionally lists traitorous politicians/media.

But nothing resembling a one-stop location for the economic-boycott movement.

It's coming. Of that I am sure. My requirement for it would be, however, that allowing an entity on that list to be removed would require much more than a simple "sorry".

Blogger Credo in unum Deum October 18, 2016 9:32 AM  

@17 Once again, I want to point out that my name "Credo in unum Deum has been stolen by the person who posted this. I wish there was something that could be done about it. To be generous, I suppose this is a backdoor way of posting as Anonymous --which is forbidden as far as I know.

Anonymous Kevin October 18, 2016 9:36 AM  

I like NRO. A bunch of great writers that I don't always agree with. What I have learned and come to believe here is that the conservatives and high brow economists are ok with immmigration because they believe ideas will win out overtime - the triumph of the dialectical because they are idea people. But we cannot even win over Americans who were raised in our own country with ideas of free markets - how can we win over people raised in socialism as the default. My friends from India are all democrats despite growing up and seeing those policies keep their country poor.

Nope - ideas very sadly comes second on a good day. It's the emotional that wins. Appeals to a sense of justice are more powerful than appeals to the concept of rule and law. My eyes were opened. And appeals to free stuff front those rich white people - that is powerful stuff.

As far as VDH - he is a great scholar, great writer, but also owns a family farm and has seen the transformation of CA first hand. Trump is not the solution, he is the symptom/sign of the sickness.

Blogger glad2meetyou October 18, 2016 9:49 AM  

VDH had a point about Mexifornia. A few years ago a coworker said VDH was great on history but xenophobically wrong on current immigration. Naturally this was fascinating...

Blogger jandolin October 18, 2016 9:51 AM  

Who cares? NR has ceased to matter to Americans.

Blogger Stilicho October 18, 2016 9:53 AM  

Their position did not make sense because it was a contra-reality position that they mistakenly thought would inure to their benefit. When their mistake was made plain to them, instead of admitting it and adjusting to reality like men, they doubled down on their mistake and attacked anyone who even discussed the facts about immigration because they are whinging little gammas and that's how they roll.

Blogger Salt October 18, 2016 10:03 AM  

RECORD 64.7 MILLION NON-ENGLISH SPEAKERS IN U.S.

Mierda!

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 18, 2016 10:13 AM  

@33 The Z Blog:

Hilariously, they outsourced their commenting to Faceberg and now hardly anyone bothers to comment on their articles.

Hillarious, perhaps, but also sinister, because unlike Disqus, it requires your true name, and only allows you to have one account. See, oh, the latest from our host on why anonymity is critical in social media, in that case Wikipedia and Infogalactic.

So it's no wonder why commenting cratered, although I didn't really notice since I use the Disconnect Chrome extension to filter out their, Twitter's and Google's privacy invading stuff, just wondered why the comments button stopped working, it never occurred to me they'd be that stupid. Then again, Hot Air did the same.

Anonymous Casey October 18, 2016 10:15 AM  

VDH was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the Iraq war. He occasionally steps out of character in order to gain a tidbit of credibility, but in reality he's been in (((their))) pocket for a long time.

That's the only reason you've heard of him.

Blogger CarpeOro October 18, 2016 10:21 AM  

"They preened and postured, and now, if Hillary wins, they will be tied to her like an anchor forever."

As others have commented, I don't think it matters which way the election goes. When it came to crunch time the bulk of them stood to be counted... with Hillary. They'll all be looking to fill the "token conservative" positions and the foundering liberal media outlets. I expect the competition to become eunuchs at HuffPo, WashPo, and NYT will be cut throat and only expose more of their true personalities as they try to retain the pretense of being "good right-wingers" for their new masters.

Blogger CarpeOro October 18, 2016 10:24 AM  

What happens when you return to finish a comment - the above is based on the supposition that NRO and others of their type will founder now they have shown who they really support. Hence the rats looking for new sinking ships to jump on.

Anonymous Ironsides October 18, 2016 10:28 AM  

Cecil Henry wrote:They haven't 'come around' to Trump, this is just the parasite trying to join the trend once they can't destroy it outright.

Join and subvert of course. They must be rejected outright.


Agreed. They've proven themselves worthless, and, worse, destructive. The National Review is tainted permanently. If some of the individual people there have an actual change of perspective, they should move to some other platform or publish independently.

National Review is an enemy of our civilization because it presents the smarmily seductive, but incorrect, argument that we have wonderful "ideas" and you can just plug ANY humans into them and they'll work perfectly. They are cavilers and hairsplitters who distract from the real problems with their soapy, sanctimonious blather. "So then because thou are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth."

Anonymous Ironsides October 18, 2016 10:30 AM  

"Thou art" *

Dammit.

Blogger Sheila4g October 18, 2016 10:32 AM  

While I'd like to think people wouldn't go crawling back to their usual sources of information, I've learned not to expect much from anyone anymore, least of all from the "average American." I stopped watching tv years ago and couldn't stomach talk radio much after '04. But then, I've always challenged authority and made up my own mind. The Alt Lite is full of people disparaging Fox or Jonah Goldberg, but they shill just as hard for their new favorites, (((Michael Savage))) or Sean Hannity. For every pro-Trump comment I've read, I've seen another expressing shock or "disappointment" in this or that politician or journalist the normie previously "trusted."

Most people are, by nature, herd animals. Those of us who are not are the exceptions. Most seek someone to interpret reality for them, to tell them what to think, to filter their experiences for them, and finally to tell them who and what to follow.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 18, 2016 10:36 AM  

@45 Erick Erickson could barely contain his pride at recently writing his first article for the NY Times.

Anonymous Andrew E. October 18, 2016 10:37 AM  

VDH has been Trump-friendly or Trump-sympathetic this entire election cycle. But I highly doubt NRO editorial will endorse Trump. I don't care either way. NR is worthless. They occasionally publish Conrad Black who is good. And Andrew McCarthy's columns on the Hillary email crimes are excellent. McCarthy will have a role in Trump's administration. He was a Cruzer (sigh) but he's sensible and has already sat in on at least one of Trump's foreign policy advisory meetings at Trump Tower.

Anonymous fish October 18, 2016 10:37 AM  

Headline Drudge

"65 Million Non-English People in USA"...Arabic fasted growing

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/record-64-7-million-non-english-speakers-in-u-s/

Son of a bitch these people are traitors



If I recall correctly Hanson was one who subscribed to the, "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" notion. Hows that working out now Vic?


You can burn NR to the foundation for all I care.

Blogger John Regan October 18, 2016 10:41 AM  

The polls are basically just propaganda. Always have been, at least since the 1950's.

http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2012-09-20/gallop-poll-jimmy-carter-47-ronald-reagan-39#.WAY0DPkrLIU

Blogger Cail Corishev October 18, 2016 10:42 AM  

I'm seeing a lot of "coming around" articles that follow this template:

"Trump sucks, he's embarrassing, he's various -ists, no decent human being could actually want to vote for such a despicable person... [multiple paragraphs recounting how horrible he is] But we're going to have to hold our noses and twist our own arms and vote for him, because the alternative is slavery and death. So get out there and vote, yay Trump, I guess...."

As support, that's just slightly better than a kick in the pants. If Trump loses, and any of these guys says, "Hey, don't blame me, I supported him," no one's going to buy that, and they're going to deserve the hammering they get. It's nothing but ass-covering, in hopes they'll get invited to the victory party either way.

The way it actually works is this: when your preferred candidate (or you yourself) gets knocked out of the race, you decide whether you will support your party's winner. If you decide to do so, you make your peace with that, and then you get out there and support him with a smile. That doesn't mean you lie; it just means you stay away from your points of disagreement and campaign on the areas where you do agree and the opponent's weaknesses. That's what real "reluctant support" looks like.

Blogger Lazarus October 18, 2016 10:44 AM  

Credo in unum Deum wrote:@17 Once again, I want to point out that my name "Credo in unum Deum has been stolen by the person who posted this. I wish there was something that could be done about it. To be generous, I suppose this is a backdoor way of posting as Anonymous --which is forbidden as far as I know.

Given the extremity of the statement @17 it could be an Agent Provocateur using a Mask.

Blogger Robert What? October 18, 2016 10:45 AM  

My guess would be that NR have lost 50% of their readers in the last year or so.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 18, 2016 10:46 AM  

Gosh, how did this ever happen?

Female journo raped in Calais jungle colonist camp.

Comments are closed on that article. How did that happen, I wonder?

Anonymous jm October 18, 2016 10:48 AM  

I've been wondering if VDH might be the Decius Mus who wrote the Flight 93 Election essay, as it is sprinkled with classical references. Not to mention the pseudonym.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents October 18, 2016 10:54 AM  

@54
It's nothing but ass-covering, in hopes they'll get invited to the victory party either way.

This. NR and NRO writers have been among those screeching Most Important Election Evah! for years. Dubya, then McAmnesty, last time Mittens, we were all supposed to put our differences to one side and vote for the GOPe approved man.

Now we have an election that really does matter. It's just that GOPe's men, the Top Men! didn't make the cut. Where's all that Most Important Election Evah, Vote Party! talk now?

Hypocrites. And liars. The GOPe is expecting everything to go back to the way it was in 2012. Not gonna happen. NR's eventual bankruptcy will be just one snowball in the avalanche.

Blogger Phunctor October 18, 2016 10:54 AM  

Most people are, by nature, herd animals. Those of us who are not are the exceptions.

I thank you, Lord, that I am not as other men...

Blogger Basil Makedon October 18, 2016 10:56 AM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 18, 2016 10:56 AM  

Bleh, apologies VD won't let me delete the first one.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 18, 2016 10:56 AM  

@52 fish:

If I recall correctly Hanson was one who subscribed to the, "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" notion. Hows that working out now Vic?

As did and do I, and it could still be a net gain (the fighting and killing jihadists part, especially for the period when we were actually doing that), it's just that we should have remembered from Vietnam that the people ultimately in control of the war could switch sides, or in this case, switch to ones on the other side....

Which prompts me to ask, what foreign policy can one sensibly engage in when your successor may not give a damn about continuity of it (heck, even Clinton ignored Saddam's attempt on G. H. W. Bush's life for a long time, until I guess it sunk in that establishing a policy that ex-Presidents were fair game would someday apply to him).

Strict isolationism (to limit the damage of future interventionists? Or would that just prompt them to literally go nuclear?) + keep the sea lanes open?

Unfortunately we've inherited all these entangling alliances, and it's not wise to keep betraying people and countries. Nor would a pull back that prompts many more countries to go nuclear likely end up well for us, especially since we won't get serious about Civil Defense until we're actually seriously nuked someday....

Anonymous Tiny Duck October 18, 2016 11:02 AM  

Read the comments

Most conservatives will never vote for Trump

Blogger dc.sunsets October 18, 2016 11:08 AM  

yeah, the Conservative, Inc press [ and (((press))) ] debate the finer points while Leftism Inc directs violent protests.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/caught-tape-clinton-funded-democrat-operatives-inciting-anarchy-trump-rallies

For the time being I consider it unsafe to attend group activities likely to be targeted by clowns like this. Eventually I figure creating such "unsafe spaces" will be returned. In spades.

http://democracypartners.com/

21 photos, 22 names. Maybe capturing that homepage would be useful for a future day's consideration.

Blogger cheddarman October 18, 2016 11:11 AM  

A house that hates its foundation will not stand. Our elites need to go.

Blogger cheddarman October 18, 2016 11:12 AM  

A house that hates its foundation will not stand. Our elites need to go.

Anonymous cRedo iN uNum dEum October 18, 2016 11:15 AM  

@37 The other one capitalizes Unum, you don't.

It sucks, but as jOHN MOSBY and Ranger Mosby have demonstrated previously, none of us own these identities.

-Hezekiah Garrett-

Blogger newanubis October 18, 2016 11:25 AM  

Amen brother.

Blogger Noah B October 18, 2016 11:33 AM  

As others have said, this is just NR trying to regain readership and credibility. When the opportunity presents itself, NR will be right back to stabbing those to their right in the back. They haven't deserved any credibility for a long time and certainly don't deserve any now.

Blogger campbreeze October 18, 2016 11:33 AM  

He'll be the next one defenestrated.

Blogger Credo in unum Deum October 18, 2016 11:36 AM  

When National Review got rid of Joe Sobran, I got rid on National Review. It's been a few years.

Blogger Samuel Nock October 18, 2016 11:36 AM  

Two words: Fuck NRO.

Anonymous Instasetting October 18, 2016 11:41 AM  

A truly conservative view would not be that Mexicans are 'natural conservatives.' Because Conservatism is well aware that culture matters a great deal. Effectively, there is no International Conservatism; there could be American conservatism and Mexican conservatism and Australian conservatism, and they would tend to share certain ideas and tendencies.

I like VDH, but a while back I thought he was kinda Democratish.

As to NR, someone's getting a chunk of coal in their stocking this Christmas.

Blogger Raymus October 18, 2016 11:42 AM  

VDH has been Trump-friendly or Trump-sympathetic this entire election cycle.

VDH has not been Trump friendly. He sees Trump as a buffoon with empty rhetoric, little different than Obama. Doesn't understand Trump's persuasion methods or skills, although he perhaps recognizes it, now. VDH wanted someone more respectable and useless - Walker, Rubio and Cruz. VDH was simply smart enough check which way the wind was blowing and not board the NeverTrump bandwagon.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 18, 2016 11:53 AM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Gosh, how did this ever happen?

Female journo raped in Calais jungle colonist camp.

Comments are closed on that article. How did that happen, I wonder?


Clearly the fault of cis, white male patriarchal capitalistic imperialistic hegemony. Clearly.

John Regan wrote:The polls are basically just propaganda. Always have been, at least since the 1950's.



Yep. I mean, even the pollsters reveal that they pick out blue neighborhoods to skew them. Plus, Obaba the Great enacted provisions that allow the government to adjudicate the media for propaganda purposes a couple years ago. All MSM is disinfo psyops at this point.

Andrew E. wrote:VDH has been Trump-friendly or Trump-sympathetic this entire election cycle. But I highly doubt NRO editorial will endorse Trump. I don't care either way. NR is worthless.

The sense I got from VDH and Andrew McCarthy was heavy editing by their EICs. Them and a couple other writers were probably one of the few positive hits they got in readership. As stupid as NR is, they wouldn't get rid of the only writers who actually drew in positive remarks.

Luckily I found that the two or three decent submitting writers to NRO were heavily aggregated on better sites, so preventing hits on NRO was pretty easy.

They're not perfect, but VDH and Andy McCarthy are okay ally-ish folks.

Anonymous Anonymous October 18, 2016 11:54 AM  

what a load! two weeks before the election they try to get a little plausible deniability in case the GOP is able to help Hillary get in.

They are all dead to me forever. don't click their sites, defriend them from everything.

When Hillary is destroying the country, they will point to this article and say " not us! " and start work on Jeb!'s 2020 campaign

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 18, 2016 11:57 AM  

Perhaps the coolest thing about VDH though, is that he's married to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of the biggest thorns in the side of feminists and Musselmen for a while.

Haha, maybe she's behind his recent enlightenment? She got all "Lysistrata" on him, I'd wager.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 18, 2016 12:09 PM  

@76
Last time I checked, VDH's wife was named "Cara", while Ayaan Hirsi Ali is still married to Niall Ferguson.

VDH is a Democrat, another one of the "I didn't leave the party, it left me" types. Back in the 60's he was probably a moderate. Now he's a "conservative", because the leftards have shoved the Overton window so hard for 40 years.

Anonymous FP October 18, 2016 12:10 PM  

No sympathy and no forgiveness. The Nevertrumpers has made their bed, let them lie in it.

As more proof, McCain sending out anti-Trump flyers.

https://www.hotgas.net/2016/10/john-mccain-sending-anti-trump-flyers/

Anonymous BGKB October 18, 2016 12:18 PM  

I would have predicted they wouldn't have come around until after the election, with their cover saying they always lead the TRUMP parade. This is why I never feared TRUMP being a stalking whorse traitor, the parade he started will continue even if he doesn't lead it.

Anonymous unadorned October 18, 2016 12:20 PM  

This may have already been said, but articles by Hanson have sounded more positive about Trump than otherwise this entire election cycle. I read VDH at his blog which contain all of his NRO articles (thus avoided the noxious NRO) as well as his other articles. All of the NRO articles are stealth pro-Trump. Hanson will use negative adjectives describing Trump while agreeing with him on the issues. VDH now coming out of the Trump closet seems a natural progression.

Anonymous BGKB October 18, 2016 12:23 PM  

Hillarious, perhaps, but also sinister, because unlike Disqus, it requires your true name, and only allows you to have one account.

What is stopping me from making a fakebook account under a true name like Shitavious Cook, Or Uranus Maxwell? List your workplace as a government job and people will just think you are shitposting on the computer of a non working black who is out on break

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 18, 2016 12:28 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Last time I checked, VDH's wife was named "Cara", while Ayaan Hirsi Ali is still married to Niall Ferguson.

D'oh!

The perils of writing btw shifts!

In that case, humbug to VDH.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 18, 2016 12:34 PM  

@81 BGKB:

Hillarious, perhaps, but also sinister, because unlike Disqus, it requires your true name, and only allows you to have one account.

What is stopping me from making a fakebook account under a true name like Shitavious Cook, Or Uranus Maxwell? List your workplace as a government job and people will just think you are shitposting on the computer of a non working black who is out on break


Unless you're into extreme InfoSec, it's very easy for them to detect false accounts using the same browser as you use in real life. And I think they do this sort of thing, for example based on an article I read on a shop in the Philippines that maintains lots of fake accounts with a "wall" of SIM cards for verification demands. Since there's real money on the table, in the form of advertisements (they're a going concern, unlike Twitter), that story was plausible.

Blogger clk October 18, 2016 12:37 PM  

"... they simply have no credibility as political observers"

Because the press, to the large extent are part of the elitist class -- Bill Bush was being paid $3M/year ? how is that possible ? .. just imagine what the top line TV personality are making.

The interesting thing about the Trump phenomena is that he hasn't really stated any policies, he is admittedly ignorant on many subjects and says and does things that in a normal election would disqualify him for the rest of his life .. and yet he is neck and neck --- sure part of it could be that people hate Clinton but I think that's too played out..

There something else at play -- what it shows to me it doesn't matter who the outsider was in this election, they would get this support.. there is whole group of people in this country whom the economy doesn't work, who have made steady declines, seen their jobs outsources, plants closed etc,,, almost 50% of the US electorate is feeling mistreated... and Trump is their only way to express that displeasure.

I can only imagine who comes after Trump -- just imagine if we had an outsider, with really policies, intelligence, with steady demeanor and charisma ... he could rule the world... who is the post Trump candidate -- its probably not Milo, not VD or MC :) but whomever they are they should just now be visible now...

Anonymous Susan October 18, 2016 12:48 PM  

Early in the primaries when Trump was full steam ahead, and we were ignoring all the choices of the punditry, VDH was just as furious and as spiteful towards the voter base of Trump supporters as any of them.

He became dead to me because of that. I just remember being shocked at his anger at the Trump supporters. He was spitting nails at us like the rest of them.
I don't know how anybody could have missed all that anger from him.

I have seen signs of a turnaround from a lot of the media. I think VD is right in that their own survival is paramount, and they will throw her under the bus if they think they are going down for the permanent count.

Hillary being tied like the John Cleese dead albatross around their necks is no way to conduct business.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 18, 2016 1:05 PM  

Bobby Farr wrote:See e.g., Erick Erickson who is trying to talk up McMullin so Trump won't get Utah's electoral votes.
Erickson is already irrelevant. he preaches to his tiny choir and they tell him how lovely his voice is. Nio on else gives a single shit about that fat, lazy stupid, self-important cuck.

If Trump wins, I predict that Erickson will be preaching that the Democrat party is the only possible choice for Christians within 2 years.

Blogger BCD October 18, 2016 1:09 PM  

VDH's politics are whatever allow him to live out his fantasy as an agrarian gentleman from classical antiquity. Which is why he claims conservative principles, yet: a.) supports massive military spending for stupid overseas wars, and b.) wants California to spend massive amounts on water infrastructure that would let him continue to farm the desert.

But his historical analogies are always bad, and he misses the obvious ones (Iraq as Syracuse, illegals as helots).

Most important, however, reflecting the paramount concern of a true gentleman, is Trump's horrible, HORRIBLE lack of decorum.

Blogger BCD October 18, 2016 1:11 PM  

VDH's politics are whatever allow him to live out his fantasy as an agrarian gentleman from classical antiquity. Which is why he claims conservative principles, yet: a.) supports massive military spending for stupid overseas wars, and b.) wants California to spend massive amounts on water infrastructure that would let him continue to farm the desert.

But his historical analogies are always bad, and he misses the obvious ones (Iraq as Syracuse, illegals as helots).

Most important, however, reflecting the paramount concern of a true gentleman, is Trump's horrible, HORRIBLE lack of decorum.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 18, 2016 1:29 PM  

Raymus wrote:VDH was simply smart enough check which way the wind was blowing and not board the NeverTrump bandwagon.
You know what? I'll take that. That's better than 90% of Conservative Inc.

"National Review, stabbing the right in the back since 1955."
"You're a natural leader, get up there in front, we'll be right behind you."

Blogger Timmy3 October 18, 2016 2:08 PM  

What I'm looking for is a surge of support for Trump at this late date. Still hasn't happened yet. The third debate is tomorrow. Last chance.

Anonymous David October 18, 2016 2:47 PM  

"Them" is one guy. Hanson has always been pro-Trump. The article does not purport to articulate the editorial view now of National Review. So this is not a turnaround of any kind.

Blogger John S October 18, 2016 2:48 PM  

If some of the individual people there have an actual change of perspective, they should move to some other platform or publish independently- ironsides

I suggest ouija board.

Anonymous BGKB October 18, 2016 3:06 PM  

Unless you're into extreme InfoSec, it's very easy for them to detect false accounts using the same browser as you use in real life.

So if I didn't have a facebook account in my name (couldn't get a security clearance job if you had a facebook when it first came out) they would have no way of knowing? Wouldn't running a cookie scrubber like CCleaner before/after be enough to swap out? I never post anything on a work computer.

Bill Bush was being paid $3M/year ? how is that possible ? .. just imagine what the top line TV personality are making.

Maybe like Chelsea he was over paid because of his family

The interesting thing about the Trump phenomena is that he hasn't really stated any policies,

He has plenty of policies in grown up language available, the media just doesn't cover it. He will pay for the wall by taking the same cut as Carlos Slims does out of money wired to Mexico, using the system that tracks money sent to Cuba, and is less of tax than Israel takes out of money to the Palestinians, but cucks say TRUMP has no plan.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 18, 2016 3:14 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:What I'm looking for is a surge of support for Trump at this late date. Still hasn't happened yet. The third debate is tomorrow. Last chance.
Who gives a fuck what you want to see?

Blogger Cail Corishev October 18, 2016 3:21 PM  

Yes, Trump has a complete platform of positions just like any candidate, all available at his web site. He may not go into wonkish detail about them in his speeches and put people to sleep, but that's a good thing. He does talk about things like tax policy, but it doesn't get reported because it doesn't fit the tired narrative that says he's not a serious candidate.

Of course, some claim he won't follow any of that, but that's an open question with any candidate. "Read my lips, no new taxes," anyone?

Blogger Chiva October 18, 2016 3:22 PM  

Most important, however, reflecting the paramount concern of a true gentleman, is Trump's horrible, HORRIBLE lack of decorum.

We.Don't.Care.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 18, 2016 3:49 PM  

@93 BGKB:

Unless you're into extreme InfoSec, it's very easy for them to detect false accounts using the same browser as you use in real life.

So if I didn't have a facebook account in my name (couldn't get a security clearance job if you had a facebook when it first came out) they would have no way of knowing? Wouldn't running a cookie scrubber like CCleaner before/after be enough to swap out?


Not in the least. I stopped paying attention to the field when I learned that just the collection of fonts installed on your computer, which a server likes to know for rendering stuff, is a seriously good fingerprint. Latest thing I heard is how allowing Javascript to run on your browser can, in a few minutes or less provide a solid biometric fingerprint based on how you keyboard and/or mouse.

Seriously, if you want to have both a Real Life persona and a fake one, and avoid detection by someone who's quite a bit less than a state actor and perhaps less big than Facebook, well, I think the phrase from science and math is "that's an unsolved problem." And I'd add that with the existing browser code bases, not one even worth trying to solve right now.

Anonymous Soylent_Green October 18, 2016 4:25 PM  

Having read several of VDH books (99% great and recall 'the outrage' when he proved the superior fighting abilities of the West, which I concur). Also heard him speak a few times at the Hoover Institute when I was attending Stanford. Won't be a waste of time to hear him speak, even if you disagree with some of his opinions.
As to Trump, IMHO I compare him to the character in the Asimov Foundation series called 'The Mule' (not to be confused with the Jackass, symbol of the democrat party). One of the ways of interpreting this character is as a destroyer that sweeps away that which must be swept away in order for something better to rise in its place. Frankly, I think that's the Trump campaign. By cracking the Conservative Surrender Industrial Complex and challenging the legitimacy of the corrupt liberal managerial class, he is exposing the whole thing as a racket, one which the people can no longer trust and should be brought down.

Blogger DrAndroSF October 18, 2016 4:37 PM  

I was a big fan of VDH for years, but even though he ofen chronicled in painful detail the devastation of his homeland --literally, his family farm-- by the invasion of the Mexicans and even wrote "Mexifornia" about it, he could never escape his White Protestant decency and face the race issue head on. For the sake of old times, I am pleased that he has reconciled his high-minded virtue to reality. And as I wrote to him a couple of years ago, the clear-eyed Greeks that he so justly reveres would never blind themselves to what is going on around them so completely.

Since he, like me, lives in California, his personal vote means nothing, but maybe he will pry a few conservatives out of their moral narcissism.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents October 18, 2016 4:48 PM  

The Enquirer strikes again. This is better than the blue dress.

Just in time for Halloween costumes, too!

Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 18, 2016 4:50 PM  

@99
VDH is clearly an old line, 1960's - 70's liberal. Not a McGovern liberal more like a Hubert Humphrey liberal. A Great Society liberal. So there's no way he will ever face the race issue head on, because he's spent his whole life pretending in the blank slate.

This is how far the US has drifted. Hanson was a moderate Dem back 45 years ago. Now he's a conservative R. But virtually all of his politics are just about the same. That's how far the Overton window has been pushed.

Anonymous Bobby Farr October 18, 2016 8:22 PM  

@86 You are definitely right. I was pointing out that these hypocrites think they can preserve their careers after going NeverTrump, not saying I agreed.

Erickson is an interesting case. He wrote in National Review on Jan 22 that he would vote for Trump over Hillary, received a check from the anti-Trump Our Principles PAC on Feb 1, spent the next week writing glowing blog posts about this PAC and then came out as NeverTrump. The whole transformation took about a month. He is an obvious whore.

Blogger Lazarus October 18, 2016 8:57 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:Soros told me to say that what I'm looking for is a surge of support for Trump at this late date. Still hasn't happened yet. The third debate is tomorrow. Soros said to tell you this is his last chance.

Thank you for your insight, agent Timmy. And thank Soros as well. He is so full of information, yes?

OpenID leukosfash October 21, 2016 4:01 AM  

Pat Buchanan was their best writer ever. He got kicked to the curb because he wouldn't kiss the kikes' asses. (((National Revulsion))) can go fuck itself. And VDH has been a cuck traitor since the 50s.

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