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Wednesday, October 26, 2016

Mailvox: why doesn't Mike Cernovich promote me?

Mike C asks a leading question:
  • How come Mike Cernovich always promotes himself?
  • You promote him.
  • But he never promotes you?
  • His ideal list of speakers include Milo, and others.
  • He says that he and Milo are the only ones on the right doing social properly.
  • He doesn't let you share his platform, but you are always promoting him, and sharing your platform.
-Will surely be labeled a concern troll
Concern troll? I don't suspect you of being a concern troll. I suspect you of being Mike Cernovich. But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the questioner is neither a self-promoting Mike Cernovich nor a concern troll. In answer to the questions:

  1. Mike Cernovich always promotes himself because he started from zero, with nothing but mindset, vision, and audacity. He has gone from nothing to one of the most influential political figures on social media through relentlessly effective self-promotion. And since Mike has not yet met his objective - which he reveals in his new bestseller, MAGA Mindset - he has to continue self-promoting. You don't supplant the hoax media by putting on a bow tie, crossing your legs, and doing your most genteel imitation of George Will. You do it by making damn sure that no one is able to ignore you or pretend you don't exist.
  2. It's absolutely false to say Mike doesn't promote me. I had to talk him out of putting my name on the cover of MAGA Mindset. Mike regularly mentions me, praises my editing of his book, wrote the introduction to Cuckservative, and links to this blog from both Twitter and Danger & Play. Of course, he can't link to it from Twitter now without risking having his account locked, so he's wise to avoid doing so.
  3. Milo is a better speaker than I am. So are a lot of people. I'm not offended that I'm not on his short list of ideal speakers, especially because I never give public speeches anywhere.
  4. He and Milo are doing social media properly. They have an order of magnitude more social media followers than I do. As Mike himself has told me, I don't tweet enough. I'm sure he's right, but a one-way, 140-character-limited medium is simply not my preferred one. I prefer the environment of a blog with comments, probably to my short-term detriment.
  5. Why would I want to share his platform? I haven't even used my own Twitter account in weeks. Also, as the Lead Editor of Castalia House, I am his publisher. I have a responsibility to promote our authors, Mike included. As an author, he has no responsibility whatsoever to return the favor by promoting Castalia House... even though he has done us the very great favor of choosing to publish with us when he could have simply self-published again instead.
To put it plainly, Mike has done more for me than I have done for him. He is an utterly reliable ally, a trustworthy friend, and he has an important message that many people need to hear. I know they do, because I needed to hear it myself. I can tell you right now that without Mike Cernovich, Infogalactic would not exist.

So, I am entirely content to continue to promote him, and his excellent works, whether he happens to see fit to mention me again in the future or not. After all, what has Haruki Murakami ever done for me?

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61 Comments:

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 26, 2016 11:48 AM  

I figured Mike C. Was actually Nate...

...Then I noticed he never said 'sugar tits'.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

Blogger Jamie-R October 26, 2016 11:52 AM  

I think it's great that you've finally got a Bro that you can Bro Out with. This was meant to be.

"Pumping Iron was a troll man, they Bro'd Out and cashed in."
"Hey do you want to Bro Out and cash in?"
"Is this the feeling they talk about when doves cry."
"Oh heart. Lost, lost in you. My friend."

Anonymous fop October 26, 2016 11:54 AM  

Is it true that he lives in a van by the river? I heard that somewhere.

Blogger Nick S October 26, 2016 11:55 AM  

To put it plainly, Mike has done more for me than I have done for him.

Well yeah, he just got you to promote both him and yourself with barely a flick of the wrist. That's admirable; not a backhanded slight.

Blogger Tom October 26, 2016 11:57 AM  

@VD

I just always chalked it up to your retiring, wallflower sort of personality...

Blogger Ingot9455 October 26, 2016 12:02 PM  

INTJ FTW.

Blogger Erynne October 26, 2016 12:04 PM  

That email leaves me with the impression the author is trying to delicately place a shiv in between Mike and VD. Create doubt and conflict in a relationship to separate a powerful alliance, except Mike and VD are both alphas, I assume if they have a disagreement they would just talk about it and resolve it, not bash each other behind their backs or passive-aggressively go at one another. Conclusion, the concern troll is a gamma with too much time on his hands.

Blogger Dave October 26, 2016 12:18 PM  

Is it true that he lives in a van by the river? I heard that somewhere.

Pretty sweet van per The New Yorker article:
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-new-yorker-on-mike-cernovich.html?m=1

Blogger Latigo3 October 26, 2016 12:29 PM  

There is a time for everything under the sun, and while I have not yet read MAGA Mindset (it is on my list). Most people don't understand influence, friends and allies. The fact that Mike Cernovich used Castalia House as a publisher again, is promotion enough.
People also need to understand that whomever is the creator of what you read, view, listen to and participate in; they are who helps create the reality that you live in. (12) spies went into Canaan and saw the same thing, and yet only (2) came back with a good report. Those (2) were the ones that saw what the actual Creator wanted them to see, the Land of Promise.
Mike is Mike and Vox is Vox, both are on the same side as were Joshua and Caleb. No, I am not trying to say determine anyone's destiny, I am just making a point about leadership, friendship and alliances, not everyone that is on your side is going to think the same and act the same. Not everyone on your side is going to get the same results.
I concur with Erynne, the author of that email is trying to place a shiv between Mike and Vox. I deal with a lot of passive-aggressive people and that is their modus operandi.

Blogger Nate October 26, 2016 12:31 PM  

Nothing good can come from mentioning me in the comments of a post about Mike Cernovich.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 26, 2016 12:37 PM  

Nate why isn't Mike Cernovich promoting you

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 26, 2016 12:41 PM  

After all, what has Haruki Murakami ever done for me?

You mean, besides creating your Air Crysalis at that Babymetal concert that made a duma who thwarted the ninja attack during your tutu run?

Sheesh.

Anonymous Casey October 26, 2016 12:44 PM  

I read Cernovich and think that he's done a good job. I have no complaints with him, but I don't like the cluttered aspect of his Twitter page. Of course, that's as much a complaint against the Twitter format as it is about the way he configures it. I also think he would do well to configure his Danger and Play blog in a much more readable fashion.

He's got a big following now and he has a popular message. I wish that he would come up with a more efficient way to distribute it.

Blogger Wrangler October 26, 2016 12:45 PM  

Thanks for sharing Vox. Love reading you both. Reminds me of I Cor 12:12. "For as the body is one, and hath many members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ". You guys have the same vision, but different roles.

Anonymous EH October 26, 2016 12:47 PM  

On the Masterpersuader discussion group (refugees from Scott Adams blog when he closed the comments section) there was a recent discussion of Gab and Mike Cernovich (link). In the comments:

>Vox day has been writing about converged organizations for a while. Gab has been around months already. Why is Cernovich trying to muscle in on this?

>>There's no beef between Vox and Cernovich, in fact, Vox just published MC's latest book and has been talking him up in several posts over the past few days.

>>>I published an underground College newspaper in 1983 we named Vox. Latin for voice. Too late to sue?

>>>>Yes, plus he's living in Italy and his business is chartered in Finland. And he isn't called the Supreme Dark Lord for nothing, he has hundreds of Vile Faceless Minions.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 26, 2016 12:56 PM  

Is it true that he lives in a van by the river? I heard that somewhere.

That's Shoenice.

Blogger Derek Kite October 26, 2016 12:59 PM  

Different work scales differently.

Blogger S1AL October 26, 2016 1:06 PM  

"Nothing good can come from mentioning me in the comments of a post about Mike Cernovich."

That sounds like a challenge.

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus October 26, 2016 1:08 PM  

I suspect Cernovich did write the email, because he refers to Cernovich in the third person and by his full name.

So do you, but I already know you're not Mike.

I think.






Blogger Jed Mask October 26, 2016 1:11 PM  

@9. Latigo3

Great biblical analogy. Love how you tied in Joshua and Caleb going out to seek the Promised Land; really shows the similarity of Mr. Vox and Mr. Cernovich. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger M October 26, 2016 1:19 PM  

Cernovich made too much of his name with Trump. He will live and die by Trump. The Coltour's Molyneux's, Savage's Day's might be able to recover.

It will be bad news for anyone who decided to back Trump whether he wins or loses. If Trump wins, he will be Clinton/Bush lite. How's all those big promises from Obama working out for his supporters ? The game doesn't work this way. Trump will be de-balled.

And if Trump loses, he will go back to his old ways. He will probably re-register as a democrat and give money to the usual lowlifes. And in the meantime, he will probably throw his conservative supporters under the bus when he starts doing late night show circuits after the fact.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 1:27 PM  

M wrote:It will be bad news for anyone who decided to back Trump whether he wins or loses. If Trump wins, he will be Clinton/Bush lite. How's all those big promises from Obama working out for his supporters ? The game doesn't work this way. Trump will be de-balled.

And who the fuck are you, sir?

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 26, 2016 1:32 PM  

Right on time; our Soros-troll.

Blogger M October 26, 2016 1:34 PM  

I would strangle Soros with my own 2 hands if I could get access to him.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 26, 2016 1:36 PM  

Every whipped slave hates his master.

Blogger Noah B October 26, 2016 1:43 PM  

If Trump wins, George Soros will commit suicide in prison.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep October 26, 2016 1:58 PM  

A précis:

I do what I do, Mike do what he do, and by the way sumthin' what the fuck is it to you?

OpenID malcolmthecynic October 26, 2016 2:02 PM  

M has also shown up on a nice Alpha Game piece about a man who gave up a kidney to a woman he never met but eventually married, in order to bash Trump and try and spin a potential defeat into some sort of career embarrassment for Vox and co. He can be safely ignored.

Short answer: Run away, troll.

Anonymous Hoot Owl October 26, 2016 2:04 PM  

This is not just a post about Mike and Vox. This is a post about how you brush aside the critics and stand with your allies, just the way nevertrump cucks do (/sarcasm).

Blogger pdwalker October 26, 2016 2:23 PM  

ok, i laughed.

Anonymous 2 legit 2 quit October 26, 2016 2:45 PM  

M says he writes for zerohedge.

He may be an ally who doesn't trust DT.

Don't vote for DT because you trust him to do what he says, vote for DT because you trust HRC to do what she says.

I don't know where M came from but VD has this problem: his followers are much, much dumber than he is.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 3:35 PM  

2 legit 2 quit wrote:I don't know where M came from but VD has this problem: his followers are much, much dumber than he is.
No.
Several people here are considerably smarter than Vox.

Anonymous 2 legit 2 quit October 26, 2016 3:48 PM  

@32

Well, are you an example of my point or yours?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 3:49 PM  

You don't have a point except on top of your hydrocephalic skull.

Blogger VD October 26, 2016 3:52 PM  

I don't know where M came from but VD has this problem: his followers are much, much dumber than he is.

It's hardly a problem. Statistically speaking, so are 7 billion other people on the planet.

Blogger Nate October 26, 2016 4:03 PM  

"It's hardly a problem. Statistically speaking, so are 7 billion other people on the planet."

yeah... but 4 billion of them can pack a car better than you.

Anonymous Bob Just October 26, 2016 4:10 PM  

@34 Ouch

@VD Appreciate the efforts of increasing integration of the blog and Gab

Also, seems to me that choosing Vox and Castalia was an example of "actions speaking louder than words"

Blogger M October 26, 2016 4:12 PM  

@ 2 L2Q

Yes pretty much. Voting is one thing but writing books with Trumps name on the cover is another. I am just not sure why this Alt Right/Mens rights/traditionalist movement has to be tied to Donald Trump at the hip. Until we are past Trump, Im just going to stay on the sidelines.

Trump's delivery is just so unimpressive. He's got no depth of knowledge. He probably doesn't believe most of his own BS. I think he's more R selected than K. Ppl like Day or Coulter must know this.

Blogger SirHamster October 26, 2016 4:14 PM  

I can tell you right now that without Mike Cernovich, Infogalactic would not exist.

Is that from the mindset boost?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 26, 2016 4:17 PM  

M wrote:Until we are past Trump, Im just going to stay on the sidelines.

Fair enough but could you also shut your mouth about it too and let the rest get on with the heavy lifting?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 4:33 PM  

M wrote:Until we are past Trump, Im just going to stay on the sidelines.
Please stay there. Your assistance is neither required nor desited.

Trump's delivery is just so unimpressive. He's got no depth of knowledge. He probably doesn't believe most of his own BS. I think he's more R selected than K. Ppl like Day or Coulter must know this.
So you're just a #NeverTrump Cuckservative? Does it get you hard thinking of the pegging you're going to get when Hillary is done with the alt-Right? Do you fap to pictures of polling stations patrolled by La Raza and Black Panthers?
Do you dream of the day when your (potential) children can't own a a business, hold a job, or even walk down the street because they are White?

Blogger Paul October 26, 2016 4:47 PM  

I apologize for this being off-topic, but rather than emailing I thought I'd put it here. Feel free to delete, obviously.

As if this

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441319/donald-trump-alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement"

weren't enough for David French, now he's wetting his pants and crying his eyes out to Terri Gross on NPR.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/26/499440089/harassed-on-twitter-people-need-to-know-the-reality-of-what-its-like-out-there

Good God, this man was floated as a presidential candidate, defender of the 1A and the homeland. And yet he cannot cope with fucking Tweets.

This is so emasculated as to make cuckservatism look like a rugby scrum.



Anonymous BGKB October 26, 2016 5:42 PM  

if Trump loses, he will go back to his old ways. He will probably re-register as a democrat and give money to the usual lowlifes

TRUMP complained about having to give money to lowlifes on both sides just so they wouldn't sabotage him.

I would strangle Soros with my own 2 hands if I could get access to him and take the bag of jew diamonds he has around his neck like most who work for him.

Just what we need another guy show sucks more cock than me. Its going to get more expensive for you when TRUMP gets rid of the Home Depot Wetbacks.

weren't enough for David French, now he's wetting his pants and crying his eyes

They ran a literal cuckold for the Israel First America 5th column party. TRUMP asked Clinton for a drug test, French would have been asked for his wife to take a paternity test.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 26, 2016 5:44 PM  

Too many people still failing to understand how allies work in culture war. In 4GW, all morality is situational. An ethical principle is a schwerpunkt.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 26, 2016 5:50 PM  

Nate wrote:"It's hardly a problem. Statistically speaking, so are 7 billion other people on the planet."

yeah... but 4 billion of them can pack a car better than you.


I'm starting to think that an abstract/verbal IQ tilt is related to miscegenation, but it could just be selection bias.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 26, 2016 5:59 PM  

IIRC Nate is pretty mixed too, but he would have to be an exception to this rule according to one of my other theories which strongly correlates nonverbal IQ with the mental qualities collectively known as "sense".

Anonymous Bukulu October 26, 2016 6:27 PM  

Hezekiah @ 1,

Nice try... but with the proper amount of effort you surely could have worked Glocks into it somehow!



Noah B @ 26,

"I am making out the report now. We haven't quite decided yet whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 7:30 PM  

BGKB wrote:TRUMP asked Clinton for a drug test, French would have been asked for his wife to take a paternity test.

No need. See that big shit-eating grin on her face. Tells you everything you need to know.

Blogger M October 26, 2016 7:52 PM  

@ Snidy

I tried to suspend my judgement and get on the Trump train but I couldn't. He just doesn't fit. But I've already used too many big words here for you.

Blogger M October 26, 2016 8:00 PM  

@ BGKB

I support the altright view of women and feminsim and culture in general.

But Im do not share your propensity to warm up the ovens.

Blogger rumpole5 October 26, 2016 8:03 PM  

"I just always chalked it up to your retiring, wallflower sort of personality..." - total Sigma. Too busy living one's own life and just not focused on benchmarking.

Blogger rumpole5 October 26, 2016 8:08 PM  

"I just always chalked it up to your retiring, wallflower sort of personality..." - total Sigma. Too busy living one's own life and just not focused on benchmarking.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 9:28 PM  

M wrote:@ Snidy
Great start

I tried to suspend my judgement and get on the Trump train but I couldn't. He just doesn't fit. But I've already used too many big words here for you

Bullshit. You never considered supporting Trump. You're too afraid of having a bad thought.

I support the altright view of women and feminsim and culture in general.

No you don't. You want to because you know we're right, but it would put you into the category of bad people so you won't do anything effective about it. Feminism and anti-racism are such obvious lies and have done so much damage to our society that it should make you angry. And you're not angry.

But Im do not share your propensity to warm up the ovens.
As stated above. the KGB are knocking on your door, and you're saying, "You know, Stalin actually has a point."

You're fucking useless. What is your excuse for even using up air? We need that air for other purposes. Useful things, like oil-fired ovens.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 26, 2016 10:03 PM  

Hahaha M is infinitely gayer than I am

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 10:23 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Hahaha M is infinitely gayer than I am
You'll need to change your screen name to Josh (the gayest thing here, except for M)

Blogger M October 26, 2016 10:29 PM  

@ fucktard
"Bullshit. You never considered supporting Trump. You're too afraid of having a bad thought."

I did. But there is no winning here. Unlike you and the rest of you Seppo's that fall for this "democracy" ruse, I know that if he wins, he will not be able to make good on his campaign platform even if he really wanted to (and i think he really does want to). And if he loses, he will eventually make fools of his hardened supporters. Trump is non political. He has no core political positions.

" No you don't. You want to because you know we're right, but it would put you into the category of bad people so you won't do anything effective about it. Feminism and anti-racism are such obvious lies and have done so much damage to our society that it should make you angry. And you're not angry."

I've been steeped in this political and cultural stuff for a decade. I was banned from Stefan Molyneux's forum and Twitter for being too radical in some of these areas. Stefan is still , deep down, a socialist. He was born that way and sometimes it creeps out. So you don't know who I am or what in the fuck I have done. Angry ? I am numb to it.

@ Josh

No time for lightweights. Both of you.


Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 10:43 PM  

M wrote:I did. But there is no winning here. Unlike you and the rest of you Seppo's that fall for this "democracy" ruse, I know that if he wins, he will not be able to make good on his campaign platform even if he really wanted to (and i think he really does want to). And if he loses, he will eventually make fools of his hardened supporters. Trump is non political. He has no core political positions.
"Just curl into a ball and die now! I the great and all-knowing M have said so!"
Fuck you and fuck the dried up old Jewish cunt that bothered to give birth to such as pathetic piece of useless gay trash.

I've been steeped in this political and cultural stuff for a decade. I was banned from Stefan Molyneux's forum and Twitter for being too radical in some of these areas. Stefan is still , deep down, a socialist. He was born that way and sometimes it creeps out.
You've been banned? Oh noes! I've been banned from better places than would your sorry droopy fat ass in. MAybe he got tired of youwasting his bit, you useless waste of self-loathing and paedopjhilia.

So you don't know who I am or what in the fuck I have done.
Sure I do. No-one and nothing

Angry ? I am numb to it.
So angry you're numb to it? So angry you don't want to do anything about it because it's useless. So fucking angry you think we all need to give up and settle back into the mire. Do nothing, feel nothing, go with the flow.

Fuck you.

I only engaged because I thought there was a chance that you weren't a paid demoralization troll. I see that was a false hope.

Go cry your fatalism someplace that cares what the fuck you think, Hasbara troll. Oh, wait, there is no such place.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 26, 2016 10:45 PM  

MAybe he got tired of youwasting his bit, you useless waste of self-loathing and paedopjhilia.
Should have been:
Maybe he got tired of you wasting his bits, you useless waste of self-loathing and paedophilia.

Yeah, I know, but the typos bother me, even when I'm typing too fast.

Blogger John M October 27, 2016 12:33 AM  

M wrote:@ fucktard

Trump is non political. He has no core political positions.



And that's why people are supporting him. He's supporting what that he thinks is right, and what most people think is right according to their common senses, rather than for "political positions".

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 27, 2016 12:57 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:I'm starting to think that an abstract/verbal IQ tilt is related to miscegenation, but it could just be selection bias.

My hypothesis is actually just less variance in male spatial IQ. I'm less than 3/4 Indo-European, thanks to the Finno-Urgic and Native American, and I can pack a car like you wouldn't believe. Effortless Tetris.

My lingui-logical is almost certainly higher on a statistical basis, but if so only because natural selection is biased toward spatial and it's perfectly normal for ordinary white guys to have awesome results.

Anonymous 2 legit 2 quit October 27, 2016 4:48 PM  

@M:

Let's say Trump is the biggest toxic pile of sludge. A stupid rapist and whatever else.

How does that change the calculus? We are not urging you to vote for him for his brains, or his looks.

Again, the vote for him is not because he is sufficiently competent and smart.

The vote for him is because *she* is sufficiently competent and smart.

The vote for him is not because he might do what he says, but because she will almost certainly do what she says.

The vote isn't because there is something hidden that we can't see, but because there is something plain that we can.

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