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Tuesday, October 04, 2016

Mailvox: why he must vote for Donald Trump

Someone with the propitious name of "Del Cid" sent me this today:

I am voting for Donald Trump this November 48, 2016.

Whether any of the innumerable slings and arrows directed at Trump’s person and politics recently have any basis in fact or not, in the end it matters quite little to me.  This election, I am not so much voting for the individual as I am voting for what he inherently represents.

As so many wrongly assume, just because I vote for Trump does not necessarily require that I admire every aspect of him personally.  Nor does it mean I condone every action he has committed, decision he has made, policy he has endorsed, or word he has spoken.  As common sense as this may sound to some, it has tripped up enough people I have spoken to lately that sadly I feel I must make this clarification.

So why am I voting for Donald Trump?

In part I am voting for Trump because the only viable alternative, Hillary Clinton, is far worse than Trump on almost every conceivable level. At the very least, I will vote strategically for Trump in order to deny Hillary the Presidency and to prevent the catastrophe that such a result would undoubtedly bring upon our nation and possibly even the rest of the world.

However, ultimately I will vote for Trump because no matter the specifics of what actions he may take or what stances he may adopt as President, the one thing he is guaranteed to do is shake the Establishment currently embedded in our nation’s government to its very core.  Given his track record so far as only just a Presidential nominee, one has to admit this to be true, just as one must equally admit that our government has fallen into a dangerous rut and must be shaken out of it.

Hillary could never do that, she is too much a part of said Establishment to bring any meaningful, productive change no matter how flowery and polished her scripts and talking points are.  Best case scenario, Hillary as President would only carry on the current status quo and our government, and nation, will continue to devolve into chaos and eventual self-destruction.

In contrast, Trump as President will likely result in one of two situations:

  1. He breaks the mold adhered to by almost every newly made President for the last several generations and actually acts on his campaign promises; thus making some much needed positive changes to our government and our national/international policies.  True, no one is perfect and he may and probably will make some bad decisions or changes to be sure.  But overall, his Presidency will be a net positive and with his help our nation will thrive and flourish and begin to find its way back to the right track. 
  2. He makes some truly terrible changes, declares himself God-Emperor of America, and drives us all to hell in a handcart.  If this is the path his presidency takes, then he will undoubtedly gather so much hatred and opposition from enough of us true blooded Americans that We the People will finally be galvanized into performing our full civic duty and actually do something ourselves to fix our nation and “Make America Great Again.”

Obviously possibility 1 is best case scenario, and 2 is worst case scenario.  Call me a flaming optimist, but I feel that possibility 1” is the most likely outcome.  As with all relatively sane individuals, I generally prefer orderly, intellectual revolutions to chaotic, violent ones.  However, history has repeatedly and unfailingly demonstrated that if the former is so continuously and brutally repressed, the latter will occur eventually.

Either way, change must happen.  Change will happen.  Real and fundamental change.

Which of our two candidates this election season are more suited to acting as a catalyst for positive change, short or long term?  The old bureaucrat so highly experienced in the game of political corruption that even her scandals have scandals?  The woman so inextricably tied to the rot at the core of our political machinery that she is the veritable posterchild (postergranny?) of all things wrong with our government today?  Or the loud, brash, polarizing man who drives the chattel of PC media elites, SJW thought police, cuckservatives, et all before him like so many helpless leaves before the hurricane?  The one candidate who has already begun the breaking of the Present World Order without even yet having stepped foot in the White House?

I look at it all like this:  It is a cold, hard fact that you will never in your life be given the choice of a Presidential candidate who will completely satisfy all of your moral and political standards.  Yet at the same time neither you nor your nation can afford for you to stand by, shun your civic duty, and remove yourself from the decision for the purpose of virtue signaling your moral superiority.  Other than arguably making you look good, what real good does this accomplish for the world?  You must choose the best you can out of what options you have been given, and make the most you can out of the reality with which you are faced.

I have studied my options carefully this election season.  Given the choices reality has set out before me, I can only conscientiously fulfill my civic duty as an American citizen by choosing Donald Trump for my next President.

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120 Comments:

Anonymous Howie Loong October 04, 2016 1:36 PM  

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/opinion/campaign-stops/donald-trump-terroristic-man-toddler.html?_r=0

Trump is a brat whose money has stunted his maturation.

He shouldn’t be ushered into the White House; he should be laughed into hiding. His querulous nature shouldn’t be coddled; it should be crushed.

America is in need of a leader, not a puerile, sophomoric sniveler who is too easily baited and grossly ill-behaved.

Go to your gilded room, Donald. The adults need to pick a president.

Anonymous Broken Arrow October 04, 2016 1:36 PM  

Either the current battle ground state polls are wrong, or Trump is going to have to get a boost in the next couple of weeks to win.

Anonymous ZhukovG October 04, 2016 1:43 PM  

The OP is pretty much my position on Donald Trump.

He is not only better than Hillary. He is better than Romney, Cruz or any of the other Apparatchiks.

Anonymous LES October 04, 2016 1:46 PM  

The choice is clear to me: Trump is a builder; Clinton is a destroyer.

Blogger pyrrhus October 04, 2016 1:50 PM  

@2 HRC campaign has abandoned Ohio to Trump, HRC in trouble in FLA...I don't understand your pessimism...

Blogger Charlemagne503 October 04, 2016 1:53 PM  

Excellent explanation. This is pretty accurate to my own position for this election.

Anonymous Drew_Deuces October 04, 2016 1:53 PM  

Why is he voting on the 4th? Isn't it on the 8th?

Blogger Ezekiel October 04, 2016 1:55 PM  

Well, there is also the "Trump is a secret FSB Manchurian Candidate" scenario, as well as the "Trump is a secret SJW Clintonista Plant" scenario.

(Does anyone really still believe the last one? What the Hell kind of plant is willing to joke about the shooting of his handler?)

My response to those scenarios is that I suspect he's too narcissistic to serve as anyone's running-dog. He wouldn't do something that, if discovered, would so seriously threaten his reputation... or his life.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 04, 2016 1:56 PM  

I just watched The Amanda Knox documentary on Netflix.

Trump had a small cameo in the film, and for a few hours yesterday the media tried to use it against him, condemning Amanda Knox all over again.

There were headlines and troll comments which almost gasped off of the computer screen asking in a disgusted tone how anyone could defend such a horrible person, but this smear campaign did not survive, as I assume the fact that Trump stood by Amanda's family, continued to proclaim her innocence and even helped the family finnacially during the trials, if it came to light, would actually cast a positive light on the man.

Nevermind the old story about Hillary Clinton bragging about successfully defending a child rapist who she herself admitted she beleived was guilty. Oh but no one wants to talk about that!

My honest assessment of the Knox ordeal:y heart goes out to the Kercher family, but Amanda is innocent, Rudy Guede is guilty and he has been brought to justice, though 16 years isn't nearly enough of a sentence, and Giuliano Mignini has no business practicing law or doing police work because he is a fool who perseveres in his error, and for Trump's role in all of this, the man is a rock star, super hero, and who has shown us that he has convictions, stands by what he believes in and works to correct what he sees as injustice in the world, even as a private citizen.

I'm willing to bet that the entire Knox family are voting Trump.

Anonymous Samson October 04, 2016 1:56 PM  

Many of you are voting for Drumpf because you hate and want to injure Jews (aka "Globalists" or (((bankers))).

You anti-semitism is noted and has been reported to the proper authorities.

Furthermore, let this be a warning to the anti-semites. If you abandon Isreal, or undermine our interests, your cities are not safe. If you hillbillies in Ohio choose Drumpf, you don't think we can reach you in Cleveland?

To quote Martin van Creveld,

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."

You've been warned.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 04, 2016 1:59 PM  

We know that Hillary blurted out as SecState in a meeting "Can't we just drone him?" referring to Julian Asange.

That says it all. She's willing to use assassination to rule. This renders her unfit for any office.

Besides, Trump is driving the lefties nuts, crazy, bonkers. That's entertainment!

Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 04, 2016 2:00 PM  

This election, I am not so much voting for the individual as I am voting for what he inherently represents.

MBD wrote about this last week:

http://theweek.com/articles/651802/case-against-esoteric-trumpism

So what can we learn from these esoteric arguments for Trump? They have much in common. First, a belief, not unfounded, that Hillary Clinton is a candidate of an unsatisfactory status quo, or that she is hostile to one's short and long-term interests. The second commonality is a kind of historical despair that is extravagant. The causes one holds dear are about to be lost, and lost irrevocably. Everything is proceeding along a grim, downward path, and only a dramatic interruption can arrest it. And finally, they have in common Trump himself.

Many in the Republican Party or on the right correctly perceive Clinton as a political enemy. But the esoteric case for Trump is only possible because Trump is so obviously a buffoon, a bluffer, a kind of living cartoon. The only way people with a certain kind of dignity or intelligence can convince themselves that he would make a worthy president is through an elaborate form of self-delusion. The esoteric case for Trump is just that, a form of hypnosis.

Anonymous Casey October 04, 2016 2:01 PM  

I'm voting for Trump because the Jews are trying to incite nuclear war through Hillary's presidency, and as bad as the world has become, I'm not ready to have it fried.

I could go into a long winded diatribe on the matter, but John 8:42-47 spells it out clearly enough.

Anonymous mature craig October 04, 2016 2:01 PM  

Trump represents real true freedom. a can do positive attitude.strength.courage.patriotism and optimism ..Hillary represents socialism

Blogger Jed Mask October 04, 2016 2:01 PM  

Great analysis, Vox. This is very much my same reasoning as well... Yeah, come time, I'm voting Trump. As the Lord Leads... Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist October 04, 2016 2:04 PM  

I am voting Trump, as is my husband. We live in OH. I wish I had the optimism of you "Landslide" people.

Blogger Nick S October 04, 2016 2:05 PM  

"The esoteric case for Trump is just that, a form of hypnosis."

Pffft!

A vote for Trump is truly an act of beneficent altruism.

Blogger Sentient Spud October 04, 2016 2:05 PM  

Many of you are voting for Drumpf because you hate and want to injure Jews (aka "Globalists" or (((bankers))).

You anti-semitism is noted and has been reported to the proper authorities.

Furthermore, let this be a warning to the anti-semites. If you abandon Isreal, or undermine our interests, your cities are not safe. If you hillbillies in Ohio choose Drumpf, you don't think we can reach you in Cleveland?


Big man make threats! Say not like tone! Yet wonder why Trump-Trump not like globalist?!

Blogger Ezekiel October 04, 2016 2:09 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote:Either the current battle ground state polls are wrong, or Trump is going to have to get a boost in the next couple of weeks to win.
Agreed. He needs some huge breakthrough at this point to have any hope of success.

But then, he doesn't do anything if it ain't YUUUGE!!!

OpenID aew51183 October 04, 2016 2:09 PM  

Time to make @10 's head explode!

I'm a regular reader here, I'm a (((jew))), and I'm voting for Trump.

Are you going to accuse me of anti-semitism?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 04, 2016 2:13 PM  

A vote for Trump is truly an act of beneficent altruism.

For Trump, or for Trumpism?

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 04, 2016 2:13 PM  

"The proper authorities" might be more interested in your weakly veiled death threats than in who someone says that they're going to vote for.

@19: as a point of internet grammar, if you say the word "jew" I don't think you need to put it in triple parens, as the whole point of the triple parens is to signal jewishness in a word or name that isn't obviously jewish. Jew, is obviously jewish.

Blogger KJE October 04, 2016 2:14 PM  

It's not enough to simply vote for Trump and be done with it.

The next step has to then be holding him to his campaign promises and his policy plans. We can't go back to being a sleepy electorate that doesn't question our government and its policies and spending.

Anonymous Altways Right. October 04, 2016 2:19 PM  

Voting for Trump is like abandoning the second grade class to the second biggest bully. Nothing will get done and if it does it will result from a second grade mind.

And as for the anti Jew thing, you aren't anti Semitic if you vote for Trump, but you do hold the door open for the anti Semites.

Blogger tuberman October 04, 2016 2:20 PM  

Trump has been a Nationalist since at least 1979, it appears in most of his public statements.

This was 'Del Cid's' analysis, and not directly VD's.

The people who call Trump a "buffoon," understand nothing about persuasion, or Trump's need to use the MSM in the Primaries, and it is they who are dull witted.

I understand VD's putting this out to reach people on the fence though, even in the Alt-Right.

Trump is a long way from a complete answer, but he's part of, or an early message for, a continuing critical movement that will not stop with him. He will be a great start for some Right directions, and his election will inspire the Right in Europe.

Anonymous mature craig October 04, 2016 2:21 PM  

I would also call her a jihadist sympathizer and her policies a threat to the survival of the country

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 04, 2016 2:22 PM  

The people who call Trump a "buffoon," understand nothing about persuasion, or Trump's need to use the MSM in the Primaries, and it is they who are dull witted.

He spent last week talking about miss universe and Bill Clinton's affairs instead of talking about immigration and the wall.

That's why he's a buffoon.

Anonymous Broken Arrow October 04, 2016 2:23 PM  

@5 Trump may win but the polls don't reflect it, yet.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but if my memory is correct when Dubya beat Gore he was showing a substantial lead in the polls all of the way until about three days before the election. Suddenly there was a massive shift towards Gore and we got "hanging chads" as our reward.

I suspect this election could go the same way with either Hillary leading to the very end, or an extremely tight race in which it breaks for one of them in a big way in the last few days. There are millions of voters who decide in the last 72 hours who to vote for, or if they are going to bother to vote.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak October 04, 2016 2:25 PM  

Maybe someone can explain to me why calling Trump "Drumpf" is supposed to be so cutting and "edgy". I'm just not getting it.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 04, 2016 2:26 PM  

Maybe someone can explain to me why calling Trump "Drumpf" is supposed to be so cutting and "edgy". I'm just not getting it.

You don't remember how John Oliver totally DESTROYED trump this summer?

Blogger Sentient Spud October 04, 2016 2:31 PM  

My vote for Trump is very simple.

Hillary Clinton and the established powers do not have my interests at heart. They do not have American's interests at heart. Over the past 60 years they, and many of the corporate powers, have amassed vast and staggering control over the distribution of resources and information. They maintain this power via a mixture of legal ownership, rule making (see: regulation), and coercion.

Through large scale immigration, they can establish permanent holds on those resources by importing people who are too dumb, too ignorant, or too concerned with other issues to care about this. After all, if you're coming to Europe or the United States from some terror-infested, bomb-riddled hellhole, anything Western is an improvement.

This sets the stage for a massive war that will line the pockets of the big players at the expense of everyone else (migrants included).

Hillary Clinton is the fastest route to that conflict. Donald Trump is the only gamble available to prevent it.

In two decades (I'm 27), I've seen the city I grew up in transform from an ordinary Southern town (mostly white, significant percentage black), to a place where 50% of English speakers are ESL, certain parts of town have become extensions of Latin America, Hispanic street gangs like MS13 have recently expanded, and I can't go a day without seeing a Tear Drop in the gym. Moreover, it seems that Muslims are increasing in number here substantially.

Meanwhile, the people benefiting from or promoting this diversity all move to areas where said diversity is conveniently priced out of the market.

For a while, I didn't care. I figured I could just "go Gault," as I have a lucrative location-independent skill. But it is apparent from what is going on here, and in Europe, that if these people are left unopposed, there will be nowhere left to run.

Therefore, I will cast a vote for Trump, as I see him as the only viable option to stem the severity of what is coming.

Maybe he's sincere. Maybe he's not. Hillary is 100% WWIII.

Anonymous ZhukovG October 04, 2016 2:31 PM  

@aew51183: Jews I know are voting for Trump too. Though most of their parents are hopeless Hillbots.

I wonder if there is a trend for younger Jews to vote for Trump?

Blogger tuberman October 04, 2016 2:32 PM  

#28

I know you're "just setting the record straight."

And I need to stop feeding you?!

Blogger synp October 04, 2016 2:34 PM  

Samson wrote:Many of you are voting for Drumpf because you hate and want to injure Jews (aka "Globalists" or (((bankers))).

You anti-semitism is noted and has been reported to the proper authorities.

Furthermore, let this be a warning to the anti-semites. If you abandon Isreal, or undermine our interests, your cities are not safe. If you hillbillies in Ohio choose Drumpf, you don't think we can reach you in Cleveland?


"our interests", "your cities" ?

Didn't you say you were an American living in California?

If you want to talk about Israel in the first person, you need to immigrate first.

Blogger SemiSpook37 October 04, 2016 2:35 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:You don't remember how John Oliver totally DESTROYED trump this summer?

Most people don't. I think the last tangible thing Oliver did was call out FIFA a couple of summers ago, but that's about the extent of his influence.

Anonymous Blue Meanie October 04, 2016 2:39 PM  

Nate Silver says Hillary has made recent strides in most swing states.

I'm hoping for a Trumpslide, but man, I just don't know.

Blogger Chent October 04, 2016 2:41 PM  

"Maybe someone can explain to me why calling Trump "Drumpf" is supposed to be so cutting and "edgy". I'm just not getting it."

Average lefties think they are the smartestest people ever and everyone else is a moron, who should listen to them with awe and admiration and follow their rules.

In reality, they are dumb as rocks and they only repeat slogans to feel smart. And they love being part of the herd which entails using shibboleths to claim group membership.

One of them invented this juvenile thing about calling Trump "Drumpf". He/She/It/Zie/Hey/Per was amazed at his/her/hirs/zirs/eirs/pers intelligence and wit. "I'm a Einstein! Look how bright I am!"

Being other average liberals as dumb as him/..., they thought it was the smartestest thing ever. Now they think that every time they say Drumpf, people who support Trump are annoyed. Yes, they are that silly. It's difficult to imagine, but believe me: it is this way.

Don't despise them: they are victims of constant indoctrination by media and schools in order to empty their brain. They are only robots programmed by the Establishment.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 04, 2016 2:41 PM  

Samson wrote:Many of you are voting for Drumpf because you hate and want to injure Jews (aka "Globalists" or (((bankers))).

Furthermore, let this be a warning to the anti-semites. If you abandon Isreal, or undermine our interests, your cities are not safe. If you hillbillies in Ohio choose Drumpf, you don't think we can reach you in Cleveland?

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."

You've been warned.


Damn the PTB's are getting terrified Trump might win. This isn't actual Jewish trolling in case anyone is wondering
Its silly since Trump isn't an Anti-Semite . He has Jewish family members and is friendly with Jews. Scuttlebutt says his private security is a lot of Ex Mossad

Our host actually knows Vox here is friends with an publishes the guy you quoted,

also the West isn't the West, the new people that the Left elected are almost uniformly Anti-Semites and what moral hold you have on the West is fading.

The Mayor of London fucking England is a Pakistani Muslim

If Tel Aviv nuked London or Paris you'd only kill foreigners and damage historical artifacts .Same with a lot of capitals and major cities in the West . Cleveland don'tcha know is mostly Black.

I mean really are trolls aren't even smart these days.

Shesh.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 04, 2016 2:41 PM  

From my perspective, it's quite simple.

Trump, personally, is a marginal candidate. No experience in elective office, plus a tendency toward the attention span of a toddler. His only personal virtue is honesty.

Trump's platform is another matter. As I've mentioned previously, his nationalist/libertarian platform is a real winner.

On the other hand, we have Hillary Clinton. She spent four years selling U.S. foreign policy to the highest bidder, and willfully mishandling highly classified materials in the process. And I'm old enough to remember her husband's terms vividly...the continual flow of scandals, the torrent of lies in their defense.

From my perspective, it's a no-brainer of a decision. I'm voting for the honest man, not the crook.

Blogger Brian S October 04, 2016 2:42 PM  

It's actually very difficult to have a conversation with anyone who is anti-trump concerning Trump. The vast majority think the strawman version of him is reality, while linking "proof" of their delusions to snopes and corporate media articles

Blogger herfsi October 04, 2016 2:44 PM  

if experience was important then senior citizens would be NASCAR winners.

Blogger tuberman October 04, 2016 2:48 PM  

#38 Brian

....This

Blogger Lovekraft October 04, 2016 2:48 PM  

Remember the good old days when we went around tearing the sjw whiners like Scalzi and Sarkeesian new a-holes?

Now we're engaged in Tactical Level 5 Nuclear Armageddon talk.

In the span of a few short years. Makes one's head spin.

Anonymous Altways Right October 04, 2016 2:50 PM  

Why I am voting for Hillary:

I value knowledge, competence and curiosity in a leader. I value stamina and toughness. I value perseverance. Additionally, I believe the middle class and civil rights are best served with Hillary's vision. Finally, I believe in the arena of World affairs we must have a knowledgeable and tough advocate for American power and Hillary is that.

Blogger Elocutioner October 04, 2016 2:50 PM  

>Trump is a brat... stunted maturation...puerile, sophomoric sniveler... grossly ill-behaved... hillbillies...Drumpf

Your signaling has no power here.

>You anti-semitism is noted and has been reported to the proper authorities

Who exactly would that be - ADL? SPLC? ACLU? It would be a shame if your tactics were turned on you. A real fine shame.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak October 04, 2016 2:53 PM  

Wow, Strawman Trump is a shitty candidate. Makes me wonder how he isn't destitute and homeless.

OpenID simplytimothy October 04, 2016 2:57 PM  

If it makes only one neocon cry, I am voting Trump.

Anonymous BluePony October 04, 2016 2:58 PM  

My reason: If the Hive Queen wins, I'm effectively living under a hostile government.

"Maybe someone can explain to me why calling Trump "Drumpf" is supposed to be so cutting and "edgy". I'm just not getting it."

Don't worry. There's nothing to get. It's just lackwit filth thinking playground insults are the height of political warfare.

These are people who could vanish without a trace, and it would be weeks- if not months- before anyone noticed, if at all. They are the detritus of out species- useless, and serving only as examples of the levels of the human condition to avoid.

Blogger slarrow October 04, 2016 2:59 PM  

Why I am voting for Hillary: because I am a paid shill trying to spread doubt and dissension on enemy blogs and know nothing about this Vox Day audience.

There. Fixed it for you.

Blogger BassmanCO October 04, 2016 3:01 PM  

Altways Right wrote:Why I am voting for Hillary:

I value knowledge, competence and curiosity in a leader. I value stamina and toughness. I value perseverance. Additionally, I believe the middle class and civil rights are best served with Hillary's vision. Finally, I believe in the arena of World affairs we must have a knowledgeable and tough advocate for American power and Hillary is that.


Holy shit. Wait, you're being serious? Let's see, knowledge like the inability to remember anything under oath? Stamina and toughness, like that displayed in the video of Hillary collapsing into her medical van, being helped up stairs like an invalid by two men or her cancelling numerous campaign stops? Someone knowledgeable and a tough advocate for American power in World affairs like Hillary was in Benghazi, or with her haphazard treatment of sensitive documents?

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look October 04, 2016 3:01 PM  

It's a "pot calling the kettle black" thing. John Oliver started that meme and he got from his speechwriter Josh (((Gondelman))).

Given how notorious the (((tribe))) are for stealing Gentile names (((Jon Stewart, aka Jonathan Leibowitz)))

It's definitely a case of projection.

Blogger Chiva October 04, 2016 3:04 PM  

@simplytimothy. Every neocon tear is precious.

Anonymous BluePony October 04, 2016 3:05 PM  

Actually, there's a dark part of me that hopes for Clinton to win. Honestly, most of the country deserves her, and her Admini9stration could very well propel more people into the Alt-realm.

Just thinking long term here. ;-)

I've been wanting to get back into HTML and web sites. I'd start a Hive Queen Watch site to document her idiocies and the consequences in one handlt place.

Well, until the Tier 1 networks get converged, and refuse traffic from my site.

Blogger Lovekraft October 04, 2016 3:06 PM  

Just need to remind fellow Ilk and Minions that anti-Trump trolls have to meet our standards for discussion. Ignore.

Blogger Lovekraft October 04, 2016 3:09 PM  

An item in Canada that is getting buried (of course, this is Canada after all) is of little Syrian 'migrants' starting fights with the whites in our elementary schools.

Now, these white kids will be met with full state-backed shaming/appeals for tolerance. Most will swallow it whole. Many will develop a lingering resentment.

How to prevent this? This germination of a ruthless m-f'er?

How indeed. Here is the challenge for a level 1 alt-righter. How to organize a 'group' of fellows without having the full brunt of the state/media down on me.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 04, 2016 3:14 PM  

"God-Emperor of America" is the worst case? I thought that was the goal.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 04, 2016 3:15 PM  

Tell ole Del Cid that Nov. 4th is great if he wants to file absentee. But the polls are open on Nov. 8th.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 04, 2016 3:18 PM  

This piece summarizes my views on this election just about perfectly. Well done.

Blogger Salt October 04, 2016 3:19 PM  

I don't care much for discussion with leftists. Better to just egg them and see if they get the yoke.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 04, 2016 3:20 PM  

Howie Loong wrote:America is in need of a leader, not a puerile, sophomoric sniveler who is too easily baited and grossly ill-behaved.

Good thing you're not running then, isn't it Howie?

Blogger mjusiq October 04, 2016 3:20 PM  

As a Norwegian I can tell you that it's an alarming rise of hate against Jews here. Same goes for Sweden, even worse there, great number of Jews have left for Israel. The hate is a) imported: Muslims b) coming from the liberal left, outspoken pro Hillary people. Friends of Israel are mostly Christian conservatives. So, any atom bombs for Oslo? Stockholm? For Paris where even more Jews are fleeing. Because of leftist globalism which all supports Hillary. They openly hate Jews and love Muslims. You are warned. Who is your friends and foe.

Blogger Salt October 04, 2016 3:21 PM  

DONT'T FORGET -

VP DEBATE TONIGHT, OCT. 4TH

Anonymous BGKB October 04, 2016 3:22 PM  

Go to your gilded room, Donald. The adults need to pick a president.

Crooked Eye HilLIARy couldn't handle a gilded room with her double vision.

Many of you are voting for Drumpf because you hate and want to injure Jews

I want jews to go to Israel where they can only jew other jews.

We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."

You have already taken much of the 1st world down for profit, of course you wouldn't let the world be better off without you. But if you nuke NYC DC Baltimore & Chicago you will be doing the US a favor.

Big man make threats! Say not like tone! Yet wonder why Trump-Trump not like globalist?!

Trust me, its a safe bet he is not big but TINY.

He spent last week talking about miss universe and Bill Clinton's affairs instead of talking about immigration and the wall. That's why he's a buffoon.

You can go to the Conservative Treehouse and see videos of every speech/rally he has done since the debate. I assure you he has covered real topics, but the (((()))) just are not reporting it.

@simplytimothy. Every neocon tear is precious.

They used to be more valuable than gold but since TRUMP the Neocon tear market is flooded.

Tell ole Del Cid that Nov. 4th is great if he wants to file absentee

I wouldn't trust absentee ballots, several elections the overseas military vote went down in a plane crash.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 04, 2016 3:23 PM  

Both Trump and Hillary are not so much candidates as murder weapons. Hillary's a murder weapon for the globalists, Trump is a murder weapon for the nationalists.

Whose side are you on, it's that simple imho.

I'm with Trump and MAGA.

Anonymous Casey October 04, 2016 3:27 PM  

Lovecraft

I don't think any organization is going to be necessary. The Alt-Right is simply a new generation coming of age while being exposed to the current situation. The current situation is like many which have come before it.

The response has always been spontaneous and it will be spontaneous this time.

I wish I could say what the final outcome of the blowback will be. I don't know. But the blowback is building and it's going to be momentous.

Like Kipling said:

"When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate."

Blogger papabear October 04, 2016 3:27 PM  

I wish I could be paid to troll websites.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey October 04, 2016 3:28 PM  

Thank you for this.

Now we know for certain Del Cid is voting for Trump.

I was worried.

I can sleep soundly now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 04, 2016 3:28 PM  

Altways Right. wrote:And as for the anti Jew thing, you aren't anti Semitic if you vote for Trump, but you do hold the door open for the anti Semites.
How does Hasbara pay these days?

You think we care? That's cute.

Anonymous Broken Arrow October 04, 2016 3:30 PM  

@34 For Trump to win at this point something has to change or be wrong rather dramatically. If Trump can't rebound in the next debates then predicting a Trump win means "this election cycle the polls are meaningless".

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look October 04, 2016 3:33 PM  

"Many of you are voting for Drumpf because you hate and want to injure Jews"

No, we just are tired of the never-ending kvetching over the six million; maybe if you release the sextape...

Blogger GFR October 04, 2016 3:35 PM  

@10
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I didn't used to hate jews but after reading your post I do now.
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I think the West needs to adopt a new plan. Withdraw from the Middle East and let the jews and the muslims fight each other to the death.
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Once the rubble stops glowing we can move in and take the oil.

Blogger Johnny October 04, 2016 3:35 PM  

Given that the Jews now have a country and can apparently defend it with nukes, maybe it is time to end this diaspora crap without getting all huffy puffy moral about.

I regard Israel as a thorn in the side of Islam and for that reason would be comfortable with supporting Israel, a kind of limited special relationship.

Anonymous FrankST October 04, 2016 3:36 PM  

I will quote John Nolte, @NolteNC...

"Trump is done folks. I'm not voting for him, and neither from you. We got scammed. Clear and simple. Trump never had any intention of winning. He was either a dupe working for Hillary all along, or his poisonous ego sunk his ship. Either way, he's done. We might as well get used to President Hillary. Look at the polls. Trump has ZERO chance, no matter what happens in the next few weeks. The NeverTrump folks were right all along. I blew it."

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 04, 2016 3:37 PM  

Samson wrote:
Furthermore, let this be a warning to the anti-semites. If you abandon Isreal, or undermine our interests, your cities are not safe. If you hillbillies in Ohio choose Drumpf, you don't think we can reach you in Cleveland?




As someone who lives in southern Ohio may I be the first to encourage you to do just that. The north eastern quarter of our state is largely worthless and is a cesspool of leftists.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 04, 2016 3:38 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote:@34 For Trump to win at this point something has to change or be wrong rather dramatically. If Trump can't rebound in the next debates then predicting a Trump win means "this election cycle the polls are meaningless".
Funny how there's always two or three guys who somehow seem to read "the polls" with different results than the polls that everybody else is reading.

Blogger Johnny October 04, 2016 3:38 PM  

The thing about Hillary is that you get the hard left along and that makes her entirely intolerable to me.

Blogger GFR October 04, 2016 3:40 PM  

@1
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The sad thing is that even if Trump WAS as you describe (he's not), he would STILL be better than Hillary.
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The last thing the free world needs is a neurologically impaired, lesbian, rapist-enabler with unresolved daddy-issues..

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 04, 2016 3:41 PM  

Now that I am on GAB I can take the trolling to 11.

Anonymous p-dawg October 04, 2016 3:43 PM  

Voting's a scam. We've been voting for over 200 years, and things just keep getting worse and worse, despite more and more voting. If voting were going to fix anything, it would have by now. But it always just makes the problem worse. There's no such thing as 'lesser evil', there's only less-experienced evil. That is my counter-voting argument.

Blogger Lazarus October 04, 2016 3:44 PM  

GFR wrote:@10

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I didn't used to hate jews but after reading your post I do now.

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Don't take the bait. Its probably performance art from the Daily Stormer folks.

Anonymous Casey October 04, 2016 3:46 PM  

Appropriate performance art, however.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 04, 2016 3:46 PM  

Big Gay Steve said: "You can go to the Conservative Treehouse and see videos of every speech/rally he has done since the debate. I assure you he has covered real topics, but the (((()))) just are not reporting it."

This, 1000x!

Back in '96 after Bob Dole lost to Clinton Dole went on Letterman. Dole was a laugh riot and had Letterman and the audience eating out of the palm of his hand. Numerous friends and colleagues came up to me after that and said, "Where was that Bob Dole during the campaign? I would have voted for a Bob Dole like that."

But I was a staffer on that campaign and during Dole's Letterman performance I didn't laugh once. Because I'd heard all of it countless times before, it was all lifted from the stock campaign speech he'd just been giving all over the country for months.

Bob Dole is in fact and exceedingly witty and funny man. He missed his calling, he should have been a comedian. Perfect timing and delivery, wry and disarming sense of irony, he has it all. Google it, everybody who covered him agrees.

But they weren't about to let anybody see him as other than a stale, out-of-touch old man.

Same deal with Trump. They will only report his "off message" comments, then harp on how off-message and undisciplined he is. Because that image is what the Hillary campaign has told them they want to run against.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 04, 2016 3:48 PM  

Brian S wrote:It's actually very difficult to have a conversation with anyone who is anti-trump concerning Trump. The vast majority think the strawman version of him is reality, while linking "proof" of their delusions to snopes and corporate media articles
My observation matches this. My sister, for example, HATES Trump. She HATES that man! Yet I doubt she has done more than listen to what his opponents say he is or has done.
But for all his faults, I would still rather have him in the White House than his opponent.

Blogger tz October 04, 2016 3:51 PM  

I ask the newly minted political puritans where they were in 2012 when Ron Paul - who had a 30 year record of honesty, voting the Constitution, sometimes 434-to-1 Dr. No, was a good family man, didn't swear and was nice. V.s Romney who as Governor in MA was to the left of Ted Kennedy, talked and a planned parenthood dinner, implemented RomneyCare, was a crony Bain Capitalist...

But something else Vox said long ago is convincing. Trust Trump's vanity. He will want to be remembered as even better than Reagan, maybe Lincoln (the fake hagiographic). He will make America Great Again if only because his Ego won't allow otherwise.

Blogger GFR October 04, 2016 3:53 PM  

@25
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Perhaps you didn't notice Josh but a lot of people who don't care much about politics DO care about Miss Universe and bill clinton being a rapist.
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It's like Moochelle Obama said: "And my view is, if you can't run your own house you certainly can't run the White House."

Blogger GFR October 04, 2016 3:56 PM  

@77
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Dude, I know that..
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EVERYBODY knows that..

Blogger tz October 04, 2016 3:56 PM  

This is where the NeverTrumpers go off the deep end. You can ask them what they are going to do in 2020 after Hillary packs the court, brings in enough Hispanics and Muslims to turn Texas perma-Blue (Cruz will lose his seat to whichever Democrat), and confiscates your guns.

Usually it is the form of "I don't believe Trump" - not even that he wouldn't do anything different than Hillary, or like Eric Erickson's incoherent "the Church might actually like Trump and lose its soul". (The churchians already have).

Blogger Ingot9455 October 04, 2016 4:00 PM  

@10 Wow. Just wow, Samson.

Trump will be the most pro-jewish president ever. His granddaughter converted to Orthodox Judaism which is no mean feat.
They give Trump give parades in Israel when he visits.

Hillary has a Muslim Brotherhood labia licker and takes donations from countries where all Jews are under sentence of death. She's the one with all the anti-semitic comments in her background.

Don't get high on your own supply, Samson.

Blogger Elocutioner October 04, 2016 4:05 PM  

@79 Thank god for alternative and social media. Instead of Jeb! flooding grandma with $600M in cuck ads during Wheel of Fortune Trump has spent a tiny fraction of that on the dinosaur media. I hope it finally bankrupts many of them (since they budgeted around a traditional cycle). One can only hope he spends the next 8 years doing the same.

Anonymous Casey October 04, 2016 4:08 PM  

TZ:

I monitor the remnants of the Ron Paul forums. I stay banned too much to actually consider myself a participant in the forums. (too many SJW and Jewish entryists over there these days for any type of meaningful discussion to take place)

Libertarian ideology is not a bad concept, but its foundation is far too weak to make any headway against the monster that is American politics.

But besides all of that, it's a bit surprising that the recent jiggaboo stampede in Charlotte has awakened a significant segment of the few remaining Ron Paul type libertarians to the reality which exists today.

I got banned for pointing out that their libertarian Mecca, New Hampshire, owes its success not to its libertarian element, but to the fact that it's 95% Caucasian. They carried on something awful about that,...banned me. Never mind that it's true

6 weeks later, there's quite a few hardcore libertarian knotheads on there proclaiming "fuck reparations for slavery".

As I mentioned in a previous post, it's spontaneous. No organization necessary. Just let nature expose itself. People will come around.

Blogger Orville October 04, 2016 4:10 PM  

I think some of you sad sacks need a pep talk...

Best Tools For Men

Blogger Elocutioner October 04, 2016 4:12 PM  

Related: top of Drudge - Guccifer is now claiming to have hacked the Clinton Foundation and extracted documents and databases. If true he just stole the crown jewel. Expect renewed calls for that Asian land war against Putin.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/04/guccifer-2-0-claims-to-have-hacked-clinton-foundation/

Blogger Basil Makedon October 04, 2016 4:14 PM  

Many people think that 1992 was an engineered version of the 1912 election, where the Republican vote was split between Taft and TR and the result was Wilson.

This theory goes as follows: "Ross Perot hated George Bush with a passion and was receptive when Clinton encouraged him to run as a foil. However, when Perot suddenly discovered that he was winning he got cold feet and bailed out of the race. Bush recovered in the polls. Clinton worked Perot over to get him back into the race. Perot recovered just enough to hand Clinton the Presidency with only 43% of the vote." The corollary of this theory is the "Revenge of W Theory" where W encouraged Nader to run in order to siphon enough votes away from Gore to win.

Variants of this have occurred on the Congressional levels where so-called "Tea Party" people have knocked off various GOP contenders only to collapse in the general.

I can definitely see HRC wanting to recreate the "magic" but it seems to me that Trump is too dangerous a tool to use like that and would be better suited as a 3rd Party rather than running as the GOP candidate.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 04, 2016 4:19 PM  

tz wrote:This is where the NeverTrumpers go off the deep end. You can ask them what they are going to do in 2020 after Hillary packs the court, brings in enough Hispanics and Muslims to turn Texas perma-Blue (Cruz will lose his seat to whichever Democrat), and confiscates your guns.

Usually it is the form of "I don't believe Trump" - not even that he wouldn't do anything different than Hillary, or like Eric Erickson's incoherent "the Church might actually like Trump and lose its soul". (The churchians already have).


They don't know how to cope with victory if they even want it. Anyway these guys are looter Republicans and care nothing for the country, only how much money they can extract from its dying corpse and their "feelz"

I hate these guys worse than the Globalist Left who while mostly Evil believe in something and are more than willing to get power by any means they can.

Were we this ruthless we would have far fewer problems.

Now as far as the future, 1st the polls, Trump is 5 points ahead in the L.A times polls , tied in some and behind in others. Its all over the map

Anyway in the end The Donald as much as admire him is a delaying action, he can't solve the problems we face using the political system we have No one could

Putting him in office slows the rot an dgives people more time to get a harder heart and to prep

As I see it civil war across the west or collapse into a permanent 3rd world status is baring a miracle/ Alt Right despotism or the like inevitable.

Basically ACW or collapse is is 20 years minus any time Trump or one like him is in office . This is a little after Vox's 2033 date but I think within margin or error.



Blogger Tizona del Cid October 04, 2016 4:26 PM  

Hah, 4th... Whoops. That's what you get for writing at 3am after a 12 hour work day.

Blogger Lew Rand October 04, 2016 4:33 PM  

All I know that many a people who thought DT finished and/or a fool have left the political stage. Most of them permanently.

Can't predict the next month, but its a bit early for despair. Hell I think everyone thought '12 was over at this point [and not in the way it ended]

Anonymous BGKB October 04, 2016 4:42 PM  

John Nolte, @NolteNC..." The NeverTrump folks were right all along. I blew Mexicans by the dumpsters at Home Depot."

FIFY

It's like Moochelle Obama said: "And my view is, if you can't run your own house you certainly can't run the White House."

She has more personal servants than all the founding fathers put together. That would be an even bigger dig against Crooked Eye Clinton.

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2016 4:43 PM  

> I don't understand your pessimism...

Pessimism? He's not pessimistic. However: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair.

> You anti-semitism is noted and has been reported to the proper authorities.

Go home Samson. Deliah is waiting for you, sheers in hand.

> If you abandon Isreal, or undermine our interests, your cities are not safe. If you hillbillies in Ohio choose Drumpf, you don't think we can reach you in Cleveland?

Cleveland? Most of us would thank you. But, in answer to your question, no, we don't.

> Voting for Trump is like abandoning the second grade class to the second biggest bully. Nothing will get done and if it does it will result from a second grade mind.

Well, that beats voting for Hillary, who is more like a willful two year old.

> Why I am voting for Hillary:

We already knew you were a moron, Altways Right. You didn't need to prove it for us.

> Just thinking long term here. ;-)

The problem with a Hillary win long term is the almost certainty she will try to start gun confiscation, and the distinct possibility (in my mind at least) that she will refuse to leave office when her terms are up. Either of those would likely be enough to start a second civil war.

Blogger Kyle Searle October 04, 2016 4:48 PM  

Probably the most likely outcome of Trump presidency would be that Congress finally starts taking power away from the office that it doesn't constitutionally deserve but has assumed anyway. That in itself would be a victory for the republic.

Blogger kennymac October 04, 2016 5:01 PM  

She'd never live that long, wouldn't surprise me if she keeled over within 6 months whether she wins the election or not

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 04, 2016 5:08 PM  

aew51183 wrote:Time to make @10 's head explode!

I'm a regular reader here, I'm a (((jew))), and I'm voting for Trump.

Are you going to accuse me of anti-semitism?


Nah, he's just call you a self-hating jew. #10 is probably not even one of the tribe but a Judeo-Christian who reads his Scofield bible. just cucking away as they always do.

Anonymous Laz October 04, 2016 5:12 PM  

@p-dawg: If you feel that strongly about it then just your gun and save us the trouble.

Blogger Teri October 04, 2016 5:13 PM  

Don't forget that they called the 1992 election while the polls were still open on the West Coast. A lot of us voted Perot, said nice our vote didn't matter.

And for those of you that think you could somehow survive Hillary in office, you should be out here in our solid blue, single party states. You can see what happens to jobs when the Eco-Nazis are turned loose. Portland has folks living in tarps and tents all over the town. Now they want to drum up support for rent controls. If there was a Republican in charge, you'd hear about these shanty towns. I'm sure they will make it Trump's fault, if he wins.

Anonymous Laz October 04, 2016 5:14 PM  

"eat" your gun

Blogger Mark Butterworth October 04, 2016 5:24 PM  

Some have pointed out that Trump may turn out to be like other elected celebrities -- ineffective and out of their league.

That's probably most likely, except here in Cal, I helped elect Shwarzenegger who threw in the towel when his first attempt at fighting the public unions failed, turned Democrat and handed the reins over to his wife.

As pathetic as that was, Ahnuld didn't do a fraction of the harm that Jerry Brown has done.

I imagine that's the same in Minnesota with Jesse Ventura.

I believe Trump will build the wall and deport illegals, though. That, by itself, is worth the price of Trump alone.

Blogger Lazarus October 04, 2016 5:26 PM  

Elocutioner wrote:Related: top of Drudge - Guccifer is now claiming to have hacked the Clinton Foundation and extracted documents and databases.

Hope he is not just another Julian Assange. What a dud.

Anonymous BGKB October 04, 2016 5:48 PM  

Free Pot Libertarian Party VP candy date endorses CRO0CKED EYE CLINTON
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/libertarian-vp-pick-bill-weld-says-hillary-clinton-qualified-candidate-president/

Hope he is not just another Julian Assange. What a dud.

Assange trolled the internet offswitch. They really didn't want the message to get out.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/04/interesting-coincidence-u-s-internet-disruption-maps-during-wikileaks-presser/

Anonymous Ironsides October 04, 2016 6:05 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Elocutioner wrote:Related: top of Drudge - Guccifer is now claiming to have hacked the Clinton Foundation and extracted documents and databases.

Hope he is not just another Julian Assange. What a dud.


At this point I'm starting to wonder if Assange is just stupid, or if he's actively trying to make anti-Hillary accusations look ridiculous by promising shocking revelations and delivering nothing. Is he a double agent?

Blogger Earl October 04, 2016 7:04 PM  

Cool story bro. I didn't know the Israelis had underwater SEAL Rangers.

Anonymous BGKB October 04, 2016 7:11 PM  

Ru Paul drag show judge comes out against Crooked Eye Clinton, faggots say coming out 30 years ago was worse than being gunned down in a bathroom by a moslem.
http://www.towleroad.com/2016/10/lucian-piane/
"RuPaul Judge Lucian Piane: Trump Is More Trustworthy than Hillary, LGBT Issues Shouldn’t Be Deciding Factor in Election"

Anonymous mature craig October 04, 2016 8:42 PM  

I think its important to understand that the democrats are brazen crooks...

Anonymous mature craig October 04, 2016 8:56 PM  

Ok maybe thats a Iittle harsh but its not too far from the truth

Blogger Andy Texan October 04, 2016 9:26 PM  

Hitlery Clinton is the rotten head of the rotten party of the rotten government of the rotting country that used to be the greatest nation on the face of the earth.

Anonymous Type 5 October 04, 2016 10:02 PM  

You don't remember how John Oliver totally DESTROYED trump this summer?

I remember Oliver totally DESTROYING Trump with the Drumpf rant last winter. Did he totally DESTROY him again this summer?

Anonymous Anonymous October 04, 2016 11:46 PM  

K

Blogger residentMoron October 05, 2016 3:33 AM  

The OP is horrifically wrong in arguing that you must vote. To hell with that notion; not voting IS one of the choices set before us, it is the right of every free man to so demonstrate his disdain or disinterest for the political process, and it is a right I have exercised religiously for several election cycles.

When I have voted, I have voted for those parties and people most likely to upset all the others, on largely the same principles enunciated in the OP.

But that point does not require any physical or moral coercion; rather it is undone by such.

Blogger Kelli McAllister October 05, 2016 9:51 AM  

Let's say for the moment that Trump lies about everything.

Hillary and the entire Democrat Party have evolved into flat-out Communism; in fact, they're endorsed by the leader of the CPUSA, who said they don't need to field their own candidate in this election because Hillary covers all they're looking for.

Increasing numbers of Americans (e.g. Rosanne Barr, Michael Moore, Bernie) believe Communism is a more equitable form of governance, and should be America's future.

I disagree, which is why I have no choice but to vote for the non-Communist. Personalities are secondary.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 05, 2016 1:25 PM  

residentMoron wrote:moral coercion

Now there's a meaningless phrase.

Anonymous mature craig October 05, 2016 10:55 PM  

I wanted to apologize again for a few not nice comments about lawyers not many....also wanted to apologize for 1 or 2 insensitive comments about the US military...the visible presence they provide wherever they serve always does much good giving wartorn unstable countries hope that people care and there is a better place.the people in those countries take that memory with them its a major reason why everyone wants to come here a d who can blame them it is a great country

Blogger bosscauser October 07, 2016 8:18 AM  

Yes. Stick to the criminals in the Clinton's gang..

Let's go #Trump and hurry!

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