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Tuesday, October 25, 2016

No freedom without nations

Viktor Orban of Hungary decries the globalist attempt to reduce nations to mere population demographics:
At a commemoration of a 1956 anti-Communist uprising, Hungary's right-wing leader Viktor Orban said his country must stand up to Europe's "Sovietization" and defend its borders against mass migration.

Orban, a critic of the European Union and an early opponent of the recent migration wave into the continent, said freedom in Europe depended on the nation state and Christian traditions.

"People who love their freedom must save Brussels from Sovietization, from people who want to tell us who we should live with in our countries," the prime minister said to cheers from a crowd of several thousand.

"We want to be a European nation not a nationality within Europe," he said.
One thing Stefan Molyneux mentioned last night that stuck with me today was a common libertarian incoherency. On the one hand, they believe that states' rights are superior to centralized government. On the other, they believe that globalization is better than national governments.

This does not computer. Globalism, the imperial ideology of which the EU is merely one organ, will infringe upon individual rights far more than the average national government, and moreover, will render it impossible for every individual to vote with his feet. Globalization is worse than Sovietization, as at least the Soviet ambitions were, by and large, regional in nature.

In fact, one can quite reasonably make the case that Globalism is considerably more dangerous to the human race than either Communism or Nazism ever were.

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63 Comments:

Blogger Lazarus October 25, 2016 11:08 AM  

Globalism, the wet dream of Malthusians.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 25, 2016 11:11 AM  

Libertarianism, properly understood, is the right of secession of each person down to the level of the individual (as basically described by Mises.)

That this ignores the tribal nature of mankind goes without saying. It is a political philosophy suited exclusively for a subset of European peoples who inhabit a world exclusively populated by such...in other words, it is Utopian in every aspect.

The One World State is the apotheosis of tyranny. The stateless world is the pinnacle of the Utopian Paradigm of individual sovereignty.

Neither pole is possible. Both violate the essence of human nature. The rest is arguing about the "details," but the "details" are really all that matter.

Who, whom. Who will determine the level of ownership endured by the people (the whom, in this construct.) Globalism envisages 100% ownership of all. It is and always was feudalism writ planetary.

Blogger buwaya puti October 25, 2016 11:12 AM  

Excellent point. An important part of keeping governments honest is indeed the option of voting with your feet. A uniform world would be uniformly miserable. A diversity of systems and cultures is tremendously important, as there is likely to be somewhere that people will find better.
But then, voting with your feet is likely to lead to uniformity.
A paradox.

Anonymous Toddy Cat October 25, 2016 11:12 AM  

Actually, it was the Nazis whose ambitions were primarily regional, however nasty and murderous for those who happened to be in the regions they coveted. Communism was and is just a slightly more blatant form of globalization; it's not just a coincidence that most of those pushing Globalism today were always urging us to be "understanding" of the Soviets back in the old Cold War days. There is a distinct relationship between the two. Someone over at Unz called the ideology of our current would be elites "Market Leninism" and that's pretty close to being the truth.

Anonymous Doogle October 25, 2016 11:12 AM  

I agree that Globalism is a greater threat to individual rights than nationalism. But once Globalism is defeated the Libertarian still has the national government to fight in so much as they use coercion and violate individual rights.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 25, 2016 11:16 AM  

I have a better than average imagination, and the idea of a globalist world and all it entails is too terrifying and disgusting to comprehend.

Blogger Salt October 25, 2016 11:19 AM  

Globalism is the pathway to the eventual arrival of a single world polity and world currency. It's the dream of elitists and nightmare of everyone else.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 25, 2016 11:20 AM  

I just voted early for Trump! I did my part. Let the cards lie where they fall.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 25, 2016 11:21 AM  

Speaking of global world orders, we need to send divers down off the Ivory Coast where the grand meridian meets the equator. They still practiced human sacrifice in that region very recently (Benin City). I bet you find some incredible shit down there.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 25, 2016 11:22 AM  

Globalism, the imperial ideology of which the EU is merely one organ, will infringe upon individual rights far more than the average national government, and moreover, will render it impossible for every individual to vote with his feet.

This is why globalism has two faces: The open face is that of the People Improvers; their crusade is to literally eliminate SIN (as defined in the Equals Temple, rev. Jim Jones presiding) from the human race. This means that opposition isn't just diversity of thought, it is heresy, blasphemy and apostasy. There can be no tolerance of EVIL, so those wishing to "go their own way" are to be burned at the stake like any good heretic (failing that, just drive them to the brink of starvation by making them unemployable, and possibly even prevent them from obtaining food, shelter or medical care from the Company Store, AKA Globalism, Inc..)

This is just the public face, of course. The private face is about 40 extended families who, via stock ownership and sitting on the Boards of Directors of the most systemically important multinational corporations, own quite literally half of everything on the face of the Earth, and who scheme day and night to obtain control of the other half, either by buying it up or via control by their political puppets in US, UK, EU and UN "officialdom."

If you want to see the future, imagine a boot stamping on a face...forever. George Orwell.

This is globalism. I think it has already hit apogee, or I hope so, anyway.

Blogger Stephen October 25, 2016 11:23 AM  

Will you be commenting on this recent and popular youtube video?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs (Rules for Rulers by CGP Grey)

Anonymous FP October 25, 2016 11:24 AM  

I'll believe in Globalism the second I can buy a freighter and make the Kessel run in 8 parsecs.

Just like with healthcare, once you let government run all healthcare who are you going to complain to when you have a problem? The government controlled courts? There are five judges on my ballot this election, all of them running unopposed and are incumbents (appointed by the governor).

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 25, 2016 11:25 AM  

@8 were there many people at your polling place?

Blogger Brian S October 25, 2016 11:27 AM  

At least we know that none of these ideologies will be the REAL version of itself until it's conquered the world.

Blogger Balázs Varga October 25, 2016 11:27 AM  

Orban still thinks he can reform EU.

Anonymous TJK October 25, 2016 11:27 AM  

@3 Local uniformity, global diversity.

Much nicer than global uniform diversity.

Blogger Frank Lin October 25, 2016 11:28 AM  

OT: Scott Adams has (officially) endorsed Trump.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 25, 2016 11:32 AM  

@5 Doogle
This is the paradox that, when I confronted it, ended my decades-long attachment to individualist-anarchism (AKA 100% libertarianism.)

Man's tribal nature and acquisitiveness born of the survival instinct insures that some level of individual sovereignty will be sacrificed for survival. The question always becomes, "how much?"

To the slave, the answer is, "All of it." This is also the globalist's answer. No people are more enslaved than are those who think they are free. "Gay marriage," "no-fault divorce," "women's suffrage," "abortion-on-demand" and "trannies in the bathroom" are not freedom, but don't try to say that in a crowded room (or at work.)

My current answer to "How much?" is:
1. None, to the current rulers.
2. Possibly more than now, to a ruler (rulers) I respect.

A better future (better in my value system) may not be "freer." In fact, it may be a lot LESS free. Libertinism is synonymous with neither libertarianism nor freedom. It is the road to hell, paved with ice and sloping downward.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 25, 2016 11:34 AM  

@Al from Bay Shore, no there were only me, my wife and two others.

Anonymous ZhukovG October 25, 2016 11:37 AM  

Though they did it in a rather ham fisted manner; it is interesting that the Soviets always tried to maintain ethno-states, within the framework of the Soviet Union, for each national group.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 25, 2016 11:38 AM  

"Globalism...will render it impossible for every individual to vote with his feet."

Major truth here.

I'm in the middle of a book on the Spartan culture, and the author mentioned that the ancient Greeks put a very high value on the communal nature of each polis. Their loyalty was not to the land, but to each other. And I'm not sure that a large organization/state/etc. can engender the personal loyalty that a small one can.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents October 25, 2016 11:49 AM  

Can't Turban the Orban! Civilization need more leaders like him.

Blogger L' Aristokrato October 25, 2016 11:54 AM  

In the end, Libertarians in general proved to be nothing but a sad group of useful idiots for the powers that be.

OpenID gnossoss October 25, 2016 11:56 AM  

@6

Agreed, this is what really got me. I was listening to Cuckservative the other day and actually really thought through the implications of Vox's point that if we truly treated all trade as we do interstate trade, ~50% of all people would have to leave the country for work by the age of 35 or so.

What this would mean to our country (and all countries, really) is utterly devastating. And the worst part is that if globalism won it would be nearly impossible to organize since no one would have any connection to the people around them. Real rebellion may never be possible since no one would ever know if they could trust the people they conspired with. And if any area is getting too uppity, the globalists could always destroy the rebellious culture the way the Chinese have wiped out Tibet; they would have billions and billions of people they could move into any area to destroy its culture.

Blogger Robert Divinity October 25, 2016 12:00 PM  

Globalism is communism with a smaller, greedier and more materialistic nomenklatura. It buys off people with millions of dollars rather than tins of sardines, and Viktor Orban looks at the EU chieftain Juenker the same way as we do Clinton and Comey: bribed foot soldiers in a never-ending war against the masses. Orban doesn't so much want to reform the EU, as suggested, as find a way to wean Hungary off it. It won't be easy.

Blogger John S October 25, 2016 12:00 PM  

But then, voting with your feet is likely to lead to uniformity.
A paradox.


One with an easy solution: strictly enforced borders.

Puzzle out your paradox on someone else's dime/time.

Anonymous Jacks Carlton October 25, 2016 12:05 PM  

This does not computer. Love that line. I smell a meme coming on.

What do Detroit, Flint, Atlanta, Ferguson and Memphis have in common? Democrats. This does not computer.

Anonymous Sam the Man October 25, 2016 12:12 PM  

Others beat me to it, but I think globalism really is the current manifestation of socialist utopians ideas. Communism failed so now they are on to a vision of a globalist utopia, to be controlled by the enlightened people (them).

Ultimately I think they are mislead by the prince of this world, if I can borrow a Christian concept for a moment. There is something dark in their psyche, they proclaim their foes to be evil, all the while they wish to exert a level of control that would shock the most ardent puritan.

G-D help us if Hillary is elected. The globalists/SJW/odd folk will feel they must make a push to ensure thy are never challenged again, in thought or deed. I fear, much like the Israelis of old, we have been given our chance to turn away from the dark and if we do not, extremely bad times are coming, sooner rather than later.

Blogger pyrrhus October 25, 2016 12:13 PM  

@8 Yes, I voted for Trump last week, by mail...

Globalism = Communism but the Kommisars are trillionaires...

OpenID paworldandtimes October 25, 2016 12:15 PM  

Though admittedly my judgment is affected by my own fond memories of growing up under 1970s Soviet Block communism, I'll compare it favorably to most other possible systems. By that decade, Eastern European communist countries (my own at least) had settled into non-aggressive nationalism with conservative official culture. Official Marxism was a dead creed that people paid lip service to but nobody believed it.

The upbeat pop songs from that are of the sort where YouTube commenters say "I'm only 20 but wow music back then was so much better!"

Back in the late 70s at the age of eight or nine, bus numbers memorized and ticket in hand, I ran around all over Warsaw alone or with friends. Freedom, eh. To this day, the smell of diesel exhaust on a snowy evening takes me back there.

The 1989 fall of communism was less a liberation and more a surrender to a diabolical enemy.

PA

OpenID dreadilkzee October 25, 2016 12:16 PM  

Globalization == Cali-fornication.

You don't need a majority in the current system, you just have to have a weighted majority (electoral collage) to swing things over the 50% mark.

Until the States in the US start exercising their 10th amendment and get off the Federal tit "as California goes so goes the rest of the country."

Blogger pyrrhus October 25, 2016 12:18 PM  

More pure Globalist evil in Austria....https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2016/10/24/steyn-descent-into-evil/

Blogger haus frau October 25, 2016 12:19 PM  

The open borders libertarians suffer from the same utopian delusions as marxists. They reduce individual humans to economic units and ignore everything else that creates individuals and societies. Only an idealogue could look at the Christian west and the Muslim mideast and insist that religion is irrelevant to the success of libertarianism.

Blogger haus frau October 25, 2016 12:19 PM  

The open borders libertarians suffer from the same utopian delusions as marxists. They reduce individual humans to economic units and ignore everything else that creates individuals and societies. Only an idealogue could look at the Christian west and the Muslim mideast and insist that religion is irrelevant to the success of libertarianism.

Blogger tz October 25, 2016 12:26 PM  

Voting with your feet isn't something Losertarins will do. Eric Peters (epautos.com) complains 80MPH in VA will get you arrested. In WY and MT the speed is 70 or 80 and the topography makes speed traps difficult. People with 200MPH cars drive them hard. Many just push it. So does Peters talk about moving? No.

They say they love freedom, hate regulations, taxes, etc. But where do they move? To the Free State Project's New Hampshire? Here out west? No.

Sometimes there are personal circumstances - I understand because it delayed me and I worked locally to increase liberty.

But if there are too many statists, you will never be able to convince them and shrink government. You move where they already believe in small government and do what you can to keep the Big government types out.

Anonymous ZhukovG October 25, 2016 12:29 PM  

@paworldandtimes: At least Poland now has a nationalist government. Though I think aligning with the EU and NATO was a terrible idea.

When the Warsaw Pact collapsed, I had hoped Poland and other former pact countries would stay neutral. But I failed to understand the influence of Globalists at the time.

Anonymous FP October 25, 2016 12:38 PM  

@35

Eric Peters is a classic example of a delusional libertarian. He spends too much time complaining about "clovers" driving too slow for him, seemingly ignoring that many are quite rightly fearful of $300+ speeding tickets.

He has good car reviews and rants about Elon Musk, EPA/car regulations though.

Blogger DEPLORABLILITY October 25, 2016 12:43 PM  

GLOBALISM = BABALISM.
Kill all the Nimrods or wait on God.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 October 25, 2016 12:57 PM  

So much fear-mongering. If you like your nation, you can keep your nation.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 25, 2016 12:59 PM  

Also, I voted with a paper ballot, not on a computer. It was a fill in the circle next to your choice design.

Blogger mjusiq October 25, 2016 1:08 PM  

OT: As I find Orban's speeches and views to be inspirational and uplifting - here is the Vlad Tepesblog YT channel - the best source for Orbans speeches etc translated to English + other immigration critical videos - on top, Orbans full speech from two days ago: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaCHLhGWBrUf7XdLH1tEiDA/search?query=orban

Blogger Rabbi B October 25, 2016 1:19 PM  

Globalism: Nimrodian Revival

An a couple of interesting and thought provoking anecdotes from Jewish Tradition:

The great success that attended all of Nimrod's undertakings produced a sinister effect. Men no longer trusted in G-d, but rather in their own prowess and ability, an attitude to which Nimrod tried to convert the whole world. Therefore people said, "Since the creation of the world there has been none like Nimrod, a mighty hunter of men and beasts, and a sinner before G-d."

Many, many years were passed in building the tower. It reached so great a height that it took a year to mount to the top. A brick was, therefore, more precious in the sight of the builders than a human being. If a man fell down, and met his death, none took notice of it, but if a brick dropped, they wept, because it would take a year to replace it.

(The Legends of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg - 1909)

Anonymous Just another commenter October 25, 2016 1:21 PM  

Globalism = economically raping the industrious and hard-working nations' people (~20% of the globe) and redistributing it to the 80% that are not, with the elites skimming a percentage to oversee it and "guarantee equality," meaning the 1% are fabulously well off, and the other 99% are screwed.

Anonymous Jeff October 25, 2016 1:35 PM  

"When the Warsaw Pact collapsed, I had hoped Poland and other former pact countries would stay neutral. But I failed to understand the influence of Globalists at the time."

Poland had already lived under Communist rule since 1944. Why would they want to continue? Likewise prior to 1919 Poland was partitioned by those Western Europeans, Prussia, Austro Hungary and Tsarist Russia. Why would Poland want to return to that order and not form international alliances? Remember Poland is the country which had Liberum Veto, Constitution of 3 May 1791, Henrician Articles, the Pacta conventa and Statute of Kalisz. Pulaski and Kosciuszko fought the British in the American War of Independence. Sobieski saved Europe from Turkish invasion. Pilsudski saved Germany from the Bolsheviks. Poles were always pro US and wanted to be in the Western camp and not under the German thumb. Were the various Polish insurrections in the 19th century also globalist provocations?

Why, Comrade Zhukov, should Poland want to willingly live under imperialist foreign yoke? I know there is a lot of anti-Polish sentiment among the US right, but at least at home, give us some self determination, ne?

Blogger Durandel Almiras October 25, 2016 1:36 PM  

Libertarianism is nothing more than the politics of 110+ IQ, upper middle class, gated community living white people, that extrapolates the microcosm of the gated community to the wider world while ignoring what the gates are for and who they are for.

Blogger Latigo3 October 25, 2016 2:13 PM  

Someone once said, the 20th century was the century of "isms". Now in the 21st century we fight against another "ism", Globalism. I just found a good point to fight with, in my conversations with people about why I am voting for Trump

Blogger szopen October 25, 2016 2:17 PM  

Eljen a magyar.

@30. paworldandtimes
From communism I only remember lack of toiler paper, long queues to get sugar... Yeah, I got a lot of decent memories, but that because I was kid. Roaming around the city, with no fear of strangers, playing the football... Cool times, but today I do not have to wipe my arse with a newspaper.

@36. ZhukovG
Staying neutral was out of the question, because of our historical experiences.

Moreover, you simply do not understand how strong anti-Russian feelings were at that time. In my class, people who got A from Russian language classes were shunned as traitors (i don't know how widespread this was). Stupid, I know, new generation is wiser - they don't learn Russian becasue they see no point, not because they think it's the language of the oppressors.

Anonymous Jeff October 25, 2016 2:56 PM  

Russia was always imperialist toward Poland, or at least since they rose to prominence. We were subjugated by the Tsars and later the Communists. Poland would not support White Russians because they would not agree to let Poland be independent after they won. Now where Putin's Russia is a continuation of Tsarist Russia, why should Poland be neutral and kiss Russian posterior? We already had that from 1944.

And why do all these do gooders give Poles so much good advice? We survived way more oppression, subjugation and genocide than you, my dear Western friends. Just look at the Swedish Deluge for instance and the Polish civilian losses at the time. Yet we're still here.

Blogger Dave Narby October 25, 2016 2:57 PM  

I consider myself to be a hardcore, 'thin' Libertarian (actually a Mincarchist/hyper-localist).

This: "...a common libertarian incoherency. On the one hand, they believe that states' rights are superior to centralized government. On the other, they believe that globalization is better than national governments."

is complete horseshit.

I personally know several dozen libertarians (seriously). I don't know of ONE L/libertarian who believes that. The clear thinking 'no borders' libertarians I know all agree that welfare needs to be ended FIRST, and all property needs to be privately owned FIRST, before borders could be eliminated. Since that's not likely to happen any time soon, they are defacto closed border libertarians.

None of them are advocates of global government, and accusing some of them of that would likely result in serious conflicts with their adherence to the NAP.

Blogger Thucydides October 25, 2016 2:59 PM  

Libertarians who espouse Statehood *and* Globalism are making the error of assuming the minimal "state" (Police, property rights and the Rule of Law) and assuming Globalism means everyone is adhering to common standards (like the International Postal Union, Air Traffic Control Rules etc.)

All very nice, and theoretically wonderful. The only problem is The International Postal Union also comes with the UN, EU, "International Law" and hoards of refugee looters wanting your stuff, and the local State is more than wiling to use the police against you, but property rights and rule of law? Not so much

Anonymous Jeff October 25, 2016 3:00 PM  

I don't know if you're a KOD supporter or not, szopen, but you make it sound like distrust of Russia was an irrational response.... maybe Russophobia? I think being realistic toward Russia, Germany and Ukraine is important and the only way Poland could guarantee in some way, its existence was to form alliances further afield.

Blogger szopen October 25, 2016 3:41 PM  

@51. Jeff
KOD supporter? Come on, what I would do then on voxday's blog?

To clarify, I think my classmates aversion to learning Russian was irrational, just as the dislike of Russians. Distrust of Russia is rational. Dislike of Russian language, culture and people is not rational.

Anonymous James Deplorable October 25, 2016 4:32 PM  

Jacks Carlton wrote:What do Detroit, Flint, Atlanta, Ferguson and Memphis have in common? Democrats.
You mis-spelled "ABRA", Actual Google-Run America.  Anywhere Googles (try to) run things, they turn to itsh.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 25, 2016 4:33 PM  

Doogle wrote:I agree that Globalism is a greater threat to individual rights than nationalism. But once Globalism is defeated the Libertarian still has the national government to fight in so much as they use coercion and violate individual rights.
Strangely enough, if you lived in a WASP society, you wouldn't have to fight all that damn hard for your rights and liberty. It's diversity that demands a police state, and there's a reason that Vermont, New Hampshire, Idaho and Montana are favorites of Libertarians.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey October 25, 2016 4:38 PM  

"Someone over at Unz called the ideology of our current would be elites "Market Leninism" and that's pretty close to being the truth."
Take a look at the life of Armand Hammer sometime. Communist? Capitalist?

Anonymous Discard October 25, 2016 4:48 PM  

51. Jeff: I am generally ignorant of East European affairs, but I think that Poland should align itself with Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, and any other like-minded neighboring states. Stick together and they don't need to be on Germany's or Russia's tit.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 25, 2016 4:49 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:The open face is that of the People Improvers; their crusade is to literally eliminate SIN (as defined in the Equals Temple, rev. Jim Jones presiding) from the human race. This means that opposition isn't just diversity of thought, it is heresy, blasphemy and apostasy. There can be no tolerance of EVIL, so those wishing to "go their own way" are to be burned at the stake like any good heretic (failing that, just drive them to the brink of starvation by making them unemployable, and possibly even prevent them from obtaining food, shelter or medical care from the Company Store, AKA Globalism, Inc..)
As has happened disturbingly often in my life, Firesign Theatre was way ahead of events.

"I understand you've been handing out free food and water to a, ah, chick who lost her free food card."

"But, Senator, baby, she was starving."

"Young man, that's her trip. Take him away for, ah, re-, ah, -grooving."

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda October 25, 2016 5:20 PM  

"One thing Stefan Molyneux mentioned last night that stuck with me today was a common libertarian incoherency. On the one hand, they believe that states' rights are superior to centralized government. On the other, they believe that globalization is better than national governments."


There are a lot of libertarian incoherencies. Another is their belief that imputing too much power to the state and allowing it to engage in coercion is wrong, but they mostly were for "gay marriage", which gave the state the power to define relationships and mandate (coerce) public recognition.

Of course cucks merely tell us that the Court has spoken, long live the Court.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 25, 2016 5:29 PM  

@58
There are a lot of libertarian incoherencies.

Yes. Actual conversation shortened for simplicity:

Me: "You liberteenies are actually for open borders?"
L's : "Yes! No borders! Liberty!"
Me: "So you want to bankrupt the nation via the welfare state?"
L's: "No! Welfare state bad!"
Me: "Well, open borders or welfare state, choose one".
L's: "Open borders! We'll take care of the welfare state later!"
Me: 'K, bye."

Libertoonians are people who will sell out everyone else in a heartbeat for legal pot. Maybe that explain why they can't think very well.

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler October 25, 2016 5:37 PM  

Communism IS/WAS the vehicle for Globalization. Communism was first known as "International Socialism". Communism was always against nationalism.

Blogger Kona Commuter October 25, 2016 10:41 PM  

I used to love the idea of Libertarians. I watched numerous videos and read quite a bit of opinions etc. I no longer entertain such notions.

My brutal example of what Libertarians would look like are riots. Lots of people doing whatever they want. Rioters always outnumber the Police. Yet the Police invariably always win. Why? The Police work together, they trust that other officers have their backs. Rioters? All individuals

I'm going through Jack Donovans work at the moment. I'm getting something out of it. His idea basically is to form a group of men you can rely on. He says gang. I say a group of friends. He made other great points that I can actually use in my life which is makes the price of his books worth it to me.

Anonymous Ken7- October 26, 2016 1:41 AM  

Globalism is instigated by the biggest wide eyed revolutionary in the known universe. Communism, on the other hand, are mostly who? (((The six bracket people?))). They work for the wide eyed revolutionary!

Anonymous jdgalt October 29, 2016 6:56 PM  

You're conflating the libertarian position of support for free trade across borders (that is, the removal of tariffs, especially the protective kind) with support for transnational government bodies such as the UN and WTO, which are not at all libertarian. The Soros types want you to conflate them, because they're the ones who wind up bossing the transnational bodies; but everyone here ought to know better than to buy it. "Supernations" have no use for individual freedom, and libertarians know better than to trust one.

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