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Monday, October 17, 2016

None can tell the difference

John Derbyshire awakes to the reality of the bifactional ruling party:
 I don’t know whether people nowadays still read George Orwell’s novel Animal Farm. It’s a bit of a Cold War piece. The Cold War did happen, though. And, as I’ve remarked elsewhere, it was a very big deal. It has lessons to teach; and Orwell was one of our best teachers.

The story of the novel is that the farm animals, under the leadership of the pigs, stage a revolution against the human owners of the farm. They drive out the owners and take the place over, again under the pigs’ leadership.

In the last chapter, though, an odd thing happens. The pigs start behaving like humans. One day, as the other animals are hard at work weeding the turnip field, the pigs invite a delegation of neighboring farmers—all humans, of course—to inspect the pig-owned farm. Then the pigs and their human guests have a party in the farmhouse.

The other animals hear laughter and singing from the farmhouse. They sneak up to look in through the windows at what’s going on. They see the pigs and the humans in happy concord, making flattering speeches and toasting each other. Last line of the novel:

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again: but already it was impossible to say which was which.

Watching the GOP’s response to this media-manufactured outrage, I’ve feeling a bit like one of those farm animals. Do we really have two political parties, each representing a broad interest? Or is the current party system just a hoax on the rest of us by an Establishment who all fundamentally believe the same things?
The latter. Next question?

In the meantime, the Establishment has spoken. Voting is unnecessary. Hillary has already won the pre-election. Please to take your now-demoralized populism home and refrain from voting for the Literally Hitler Donald Trump on November 8th.

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Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 17, 2016 6:27 AM  

Interesting how close Ryan was to the Pussygate leak. Derb's right: he just not that smart. But it does seem like this originated as a cuck op. And it's the most damage they've done to date ... though I think the real danger is not that Pussygate will change hearts and minds, but that it'll give the Dems cover to fiddle the numbers even more freely on election day.

Blogger Lobo Util October 17, 2016 6:27 AM  

It is Trump's fault that his NC HQ was bombed according to CNN. He used heated rhetoric.

Or did his opponents use heated rhetoric to avoid the issues and inflame hatred? I can't remember.

Blogger Desillusionerad October 17, 2016 6:28 AM  

Four legs good, two legs bad.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 17, 2016 6:30 AM  

If Zerohedge is to be believed Putin has thrown in an opinion on the election, but then again it is Zerohedge home of hyperbole

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 17, 2016 6:44 AM  

Declaring victory three weeks in advance sounds more Ike propaganda than political good sense.

Blogger James Dixon October 17, 2016 6:53 AM  

I probably should be able to tell by now, Vox, but it's too early in the morning and I haven't had enough caffeine yet. Is the Nov. 9th deliberate? The election is Nov. 8th.

Blogger VD October 17, 2016 6:57 AM  

No, just a mistake.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 17, 2016 6:58 AM  

I'm not given to conspiracy theories but in this case I'm smelling a rat.

Or rather several of them.

There was such delight in Bill Krystal's demand that Trump be forced out. There was so much momentum behind the entire thing, that there is no doubt at all in my mind that the Weekly Standard crowd and their friends on Capitol Hill had a heads up from the Clinton campaign that this was coming.

You have to remember Hillary is one of them, she just went a different way, when she saw that the Rockefeller Right was dying out. She knows how they think.

Make no mistake this was a coordinated effort to destroy the Nationalist Movement by Republican Globalists.

Blogger James Dixon October 17, 2016 7:00 AM  

OK. I can see the post and other media organs actually doing that to throw likely Trump voters (who will be getting to the polls on their own, rather than being bussed in as the Clinton voters will be) off. Or you phrasing it in such a way as to make it look like they were.

Anonymous Steve October 17, 2016 7:00 AM  

Orwell is more relevant than ever, but I'm a lowbrow 80's kid so when I look at Hillary I think of John Carpenter's no-budget cult classic THEY LIVE.

For the young 'uns whose lives haven't yet been blessed by Rowdy Roddy Piper and Keith David giving the performances of their lives, THEY LIVE concerns a future America where everything seems... off.

The middle class is disappearing, the city is taking on a Third World flavour, people are scared for their livelihoods, and yet the MSM is full of bullshit happy talk and mindless consumerism.

Through the eyes of the protagonist, we experience the inchoate feelings of alienation and uneasy unreality folks in this society vaguely sense but cannot articulate, much less explain.

Our hero stumbles onto the secret: the world is literally controlled by ghoul-faced aliens who have infiltrated and co-opted the leadership of Earth. They ensure the unwitting masses' compliance through media fuckery and - when that fails - the guns and truncheons of your friendly neighbourhood police department.

At the risk of sounding WAKE UP SHEEPLE, it's a pretty good metaphor for Western societies today. Plus, Hillary really does look like one of the formaldehyde-faced freaks Rowdy Roddy falls afoul of.

If I were an American chap, I'd consider this time to chew bubblegum and vote Trump. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 17, 2016 7:02 AM  

It would be nice to see this attempt at demoralizing Trump voters backfire. The Hillary vote is not enthusiastic about voting for her and the only tactic the Dems have used is fear. If Lafonda is convinced Hillary will easily win then she has better things to do than go to the polls.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid October 17, 2016 7:04 AM  

Four legs good, two legs BETTER! Baa baa baa!

The Sheeple! United! Will never be debleated!

Blogger Ransom Smith October 17, 2016 7:08 AM  

Are they really bold enough to steal the election? I can't see her winning otherwise. And this isn't like previous elections. Trump wont go down easily.

I'm torn between confidence and nervousness.

Blogger LetsPlay October 17, 2016 7:23 AM  

@Ransom: Like you, I can't see her winning other than outright stealing. But that leaves the open question of "What do we do if she "magically" wins?"

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2016 7:31 AM  

The Democrats always read Animal Farm as a how-to manual and now we know the GOPe did as well. As for the rest of us, I'm in the mood for bacon...

Blogger Ransom Smith October 17, 2016 7:32 AM  

@LetsPlay

I think we all know what will need to be done. Plenty already readying for it.

It won't even be her though. She'll be gone within six months to a year and Tim Kaine takes over. And he's just a puppet.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 17, 2016 7:33 AM  

Please to take your now-demoralized populism home and refrain from voting for the Literally Hitler Donald Trump...

It's amazing to watch this idiot hivemind at it's labors. Somehow it's worked out that "racism" has suddenly lost all meaning with the right wing although it's completely at a loss to understand why. But that's alright since it isn't trying to understand why.

"Nevermind, all that," the hivemind tells itself, "we'll just move on to calling everyone a Nazi. Our train of thought is fine"

Blogger Lobo Util October 17, 2016 7:41 AM  

I am reminded of the libertarians at a Ron Paul event. They were arguing with a pollster. Seriously, the guy who owned a polling company. He said he would take a bet that Ron Paul would lose and give them great odds. All the whiny know-it-alls backed down at that point.

Would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is that Trump will win? The bookies are not giving good odds right now. People seem to be betting that Trump still has a good chance to win.

"Trump's odds at both bookmakers were 6 to 4, giving him a 40 percent chance of winning the White House. When he first began his presidential campaign, betting houses were offering odds of 150 to 1."
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/clinton_is_less_of_a_sure_bet_as_trumps_odds_drop_1.html

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 17, 2016 7:43 AM  

Our media is a joke, the same pink hair nose ring types who run the clickbait outlets into the ground now seem to run the inheritors to Walter Cronkite's legacy outlets into the ground, GO Bezos.

Thank the good lord we can mock our media unlike the dissidents in the Soviet Union.

All Donald has to say is that Americans deserve a better media, that would poll around 98% positive.

Blogger Lovekraft October 17, 2016 7:52 AM  

The source, Washington Post, tells me all I need to know.

Blogger Hunsdon October 17, 2016 7:55 AM  

@10 And a great soundtrack.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 17, 2016 8:04 AM  

Hunsdon wrote:@10 And a great soundtrack.
Not enough P.E.P.E.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 17, 2016 8:04 AM  

I'm so demoralized that for some strange reason I wondered about early voting in my state after having seen this WaPo article on Drudge.

Early voting begins today! I'm going to the polling place immediately after work.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 17, 2016 8:21 AM  

The looting will continue until the game of chicken in the bond market ends. Between then and now, those closest to the nexus of banking & political domination can create wealth (AKA exercise the right to pull other people's stuff into THEIR pockets) at will.

The Trump Phenomenon is either a leading indicator of the phase/trend change, or it's just another meaningless Tea Party in a tea pot.

Until vast numbers of YT have nothing left to lose, YT's enslavement in favor of the Kleptocrats & their non-Asian Minority Pets will continue apace.

As the buzzard said, "patience my ass, I want to kill something."

Blogger Mountain Man October 17, 2016 8:25 AM  

Ahhh... the fetid musings that emanate from Jeff Bezo's blog.

Whenever financially possible buy direct from the source - or from a local small business. Starve this fucker of money.

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2016 8:29 AM  

@17 "The train of thought is fine." Ha! Brilliant!

Blogger Mountain Man October 17, 2016 8:34 AM  

"I'm so demoralized that for some strange reason I wondered about early voting in my state after having seen this WaPo article on Drudge. "


..are you joking? (hopefully you are) . I ask this in all seriousness. Remember - this is the end goal of publishing shit like this - to use subtle propaganda to demoralize us.
The Cunt ( health wise) is one step from deaths door, can't connect with anyone outside of her echo chamber and literally wouldn't have so much as survived one week in the race if it weren't for all of the help she has received from the FBI to the Dying Media Organs. Honestly it is her people who should feel demoralized. She is a laughingstock of a candidate and reflects what a loser group of people that they are.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 17, 2016 8:38 AM  

Historians of the future will marvel at the open cesspool of corruption in place now, when literally thousands of people (foreign & domestic) simply transfer hundreds of millions of dollars into the coffers of the president, high government officials, political party hacks and (last but far from least) the Clinton Foundation & HillBilly's speaking fees.

Does no one ever ask why aspiring & current office-holders spend so much MONEY to obtain offices whose salaries and benefits, while cushy, are a fraction of the cost of a campaign? People spend six figures to get elected dog-catcher.

We live in a time of political corruption so pervasive that we've lost the ability to even notice it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 17, 2016 8:38 AM  

The Post's gas lighting has already slid down the stack as Assange takes center stage. Now the Clown Left has to tell its stooges that Assange is Goldstein and reading wikileaks is treason (treason to what is not mentioned).

Blogger Russell Snow October 17, 2016 8:40 AM  

If Trump actually does lose, he should use his concession speech to propose an amendment that any state has the right to exit. If half the stuff we think about her is true we need deterrence.

Blogger Mountain Man October 17, 2016 8:43 AM  

@24

A writer named LookingGlass on Dalrock wrote the following.
Its very insightful and fits in with what you say:

"I’ve probably brought this up before, but it bears repeating. That’s not how “TPTB” actually control things. As much as they’d like that much control, unless it’s very local, they don’t actually have it. And their control really doesn’t extend as far as people think, simply because TPTB have gotten far less skilled over the last 100 years. They’re very much short-term thinkers, which is why DB is going down and it’s going to produce carnage. They did this in 2008 as well, which wiped out a huge chunk of their ranks. (Because you don’t get to play with the “big boys” if you don’t have a certain amount of standing/money.)
I work in a field where the TPTB really do have supreme influence & control, but it’s not like 3-card monte. (Though some aspects actually are.) The voting is still real, which is why they have to use as much voter fraud as they can get. Phone Polling is dying this year, so one of their key information sources is going with it as well. They operate by manipulation & intimidation. But that only works when they can isolate groups, and they haven’t caught on that societies are starting to become more immune to a lot of it. (Over-saturation by Media actually is the cause of this.)
Trump does have Deep-State ties. Which most don’t realize, along with not realizing there’s been a massive war within the Deep-State itself. Obama ran a lot of flag officers out of positions and the NatSec establishment hasn’t been happy with him since. The Intel community clearly has had it in for Clinton this entire cycle. (Which is sort of funny as they did a number to the Bush Clan in the post-Invasion Iraq era, even if Bush 41 was a former CIA head.)
But Trump’s Deep-State ties come from the parts that really don’t like the Banking Elite. (Or, more accurately, the parts that hate the Bankers because they were able to get off scot-free when they cost all of them a ton of money.) And this is an election that the Bankers desperately need one of “their” people in the White House. Because things are going to hell very, very soon. They’re holding the markets for the moment, but they can’t hold them forever. Mostly as they’re all sharks anyway. (A French Revolution repeat is something they all fear. Deeply.)

Blogger Mountain Man October 17, 2016 8:44 AM  

.....(continues)
This is where Trump contrasts with the Ron & Rand Paul. Trump understands the “game” far too well. (He’s been in construction in NYC for decades, so he’s used to dealing with the Mafia. People easily forget this.) Trumps attack selection is much, much better. I believe the Pauls are generally honest Men (or at least as much as politics allows), but they didn’t understand the “game”. They knew there was a problem and, roughly, how to start addressing it, but little different from a Pastor seeing the problems in his church but having no clue how to deal with it except doubling-down on yelling at the Men, they didn’t understand the issue well enough to build an attack path that split groups apart. Trump is very good at that.
The Elites wouldn’t be attacking Trump the way they have been if he wasn’t a significant threat to them. Because he is. This was always going to be a bad Democrat cycle at the national level. With an Insider-Outsider bent. This is why Jeb! was running. This is why the RNC cleared out pretty much every viable elected Office Holder so Jeb! could run free and clear. (I favored Scott Walker early in the cycle, but they pretty much prevented him from getting any fundraising. It was a clear sign that the “fix” was supposed to be in.) But Jeb! couldn’t get 10% in Iowa.
We’re in clear Realignment territory right now. The national economy is bad, and a lot of places it’s really bad. Which is mostly why Trump is going to win. He got the key issues and he knew his biggest vulnerability (which they dropped on him this weekend) could be removed because Hillary has Bill around. And because of the way people work, given the social & media environment, Hillary gets around +3% or so of people saying they’ll vote for her and won’t, while Trump clearly has much higher support that people can’t say yet. It’s been a fascinating process watching a lot of the older folks slowly get on board."

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 17, 2016 8:45 AM  

@27 Of course I was joking. However, when I saw the article I immediately thought to myself "Oh shit, is early voting going on?". I check online and saw it had started today. In a way, the article was a reminder for me to do something I had already planned on doing.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 17, 2016 8:45 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Historians of the future will marvel at the open cesspool of corruption in place now, when literally thousands of people (foreign & domestic) simply transfer hundreds of millions of dollars into the coffers of the president, high government officials, political party hacks and (last but far from least) the Clinton Foundation & HillBilly's speaking fees.

Does no one ever ask why aspiring & current office-holders spend so much MONEY to obtain offices whose salaries and benefits, while cushy, are a fraction of the cost of a campaign? People spend six figures to get elected dog-catcher.

We live in a time of political corruption so pervasive that we've lost the ability to even notice it.


That is where the real story is at. It is highly lucrative to be in a position of power in the federal government. They are making money off of insider trading and high paying, low responsibility corporate jobs lavished upon them when they leave office.

Ever notice the cuckiest of Republicans are from the safest districts where you would expect your fire breathing bomb throwers to be from? They know if they roll over for the democrats they will never be seriously attacked in public. They then pour all of the GOP coffers into their own primary elections to keep out any real challengers and hook themselves up to as many teets as possible in Washington and continue to suck for the next 30-40 years.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 17, 2016 8:46 AM  

@27 To your point, "SJW's always project."

The WaPo's Narrative reveals just how demoralized is the Dem/Cuck/Corporate nexus; they're desperately afraid that even their own families won't show up to vote for the sack-of-corruption they put up as this quadrennial's prow figurehead.

Hell, they practically have to pay people to show up to listen to the bat campaign.

Anonymous I'm With Her October 17, 2016 8:47 AM  

" Or is the current party system just a hoax on the rest of us by an Establishment who all fundamentally believe the same things?"

He and you are mistaking agreement on certain principles as a "Hoax".

For example, everyone believes that preventing proliferation of nuclear nations is critical. Also, everyone believes our elections are not to be delegitamized for the sake of one person's ego.

On the other hand, there is much they disagree on too: Abortion, gun regulation, tax policy, energy policy, Political contributions, etc.

The moan of those who say the parties are the same are those who lose election.

Blogger Mountain Man October 17, 2016 8:47 AM  

Al
..I figured as much..but one never knows these days

Blogger Jeff Wood October 17, 2016 8:49 AM  

@26

"@17 "The train of thought is fine." Ha! Brilliant!"

Agreed. I also liked this:

@20

"The Sheeple! United! Will never be debleated!"

You are all on good form today.

Anonymous rienzi October 17, 2016 8:49 AM  

Stupid article by the Post. Trump people support him with a religious fervor. They're not going to stay home because of an article in the WaPo. They don't even read the WaPo. They'll crawl naked over broken glass and flaming gasoline to pull the lever for The Donald.

But then, the Hillary soccer mom might see this, consider the election in the bag, and decide not to get off the couch and miss Oprah, especially if its raining on 11/8.

Blogger James Dixon October 17, 2016 8:50 AM  

> The Democrats always read Animal Farm as a how-to manual and now we know the GOPe did as well.

They all consider Animal Farm, 1984, and Atlas Shrugged as blueprints.

Blogger Mountain Man October 17, 2016 8:51 AM  

"But then, the Hillary soccer mom might see this, consider the election in the bag, and decide not to get off the couch and miss Oprah, especially if its raining on 11/8."


Hahaa...blowback is a bitch ! The law of unintended consequences

Blogger dc.sunsets October 17, 2016 8:56 AM  

@34 this is why I retain hope. Such pervasive corruption cannot be permanent. It is a sign of a very late-stage trend. It has lasted this long because the trend involved is absolutely huge, at least centuries long.

The rot that is revealed during busts was always installed during the last part of the preceding boom. We're watching the tip of the sail emerge and marvel at the ugly corruption, the seedy sleaze of people like Clinton, Ryan, Hastert, etc., and we can imagine the scum-CEO's of Citi, of Goldman-Sachs, of Wells Fargo, et.al. behind them.

But in truth we will still be astonished when the Bond Ocean evaporates away, beaching the submarine we know is attached to the sail (of corruption) we can see, and the Bond Ocean's wealth level recedes to reveal a breadth and depth of utter depravity in public offices and corporate management not even the greatest cynic today can foresee.

Every industry and all three branches of government are so rotten today that by the time the coming fall reaches bottom it's unclear what will be left standing.

Anonymous Dyskord October 17, 2016 8:58 AM  

The closest the left has gotten to admiting what a terrible candidate Hillary is is spreading the tired meme that both candidates are terrible.
Ya know Hillary is a corrupt crony socialist globalists selling America to the highest bidder and getting rich while she destroys the nation and sells the future of the next generation to fill her pockets.
Trump is a raciss and MISOGYNYST and raciss and a clown and also raciss did I mention he's raciss.
So they need to vote Hillary because both are terrible but she's not that terrible in their estimation.

This election has revealed the corruption and cronyism within the U.S government and the MSM. If Clinton wins having openly colluded with the DOJ and the top brass of the FBI with the MSM covering and excusing the graft expect a Orwellian 8 years. An unaccountable government ruling with the consent of the press while average citizens suffer and the nation declines.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 17, 2016 9:06 AM  

@26

(*Cataline bows*)

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 17, 2016 9:08 AM  

Whether Trump wins or not, the Old GOP is dead, dead, dead. There's always been a fight between the Plutocrat and Populist wings of the party, but this cycle, it went nuclear. If Trump loses by anything other than a blowout, the NeverTrump gang will be blamed by a lot of people. Even some of the National Review crowd are figuring this out.

I'm not sure how this shakes out. The good news is that the Bush dynasty is almost certainly deader than a doornail. The bad news is that the GOP may not figure out that Trump's basic Nationalist platform, with attention paid to the lower middle class, is a winner.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 17, 2016 9:10 AM  

@36 Agreed. There are *profound* conflicts between people in the USA over numerous issues. During the last 50 years the "We Are The World" togetherness produced by a Pathologically high social mood papered over those conflicts and the political system's metastatic growth came to rest on that consensus.

This is why we appear to have a one-party system. Today's All Left, All The Time system had no brake.

The underlying social mood that enabled that unipolar system is finally breaking down, hence the Trump Phenomenon.

It is NOWHERE NEAR done breaking down. By the time it reaches nadir I have no doubt that the conflicts over these issues will make sharing the same polity impossible. The USA will break apart into utterly incompatible factions once political warfare proves unable to provide a resolution. This is why a Clinton Presidency, especially her stacking more Ginsberg/Sotomayor/Kagan type ideologue lunatics on the SCOTUS would hasten the abandonment of (relatively peaceful) political warfare in favor of the Real McCoy.

Clinton would undoubtedly appoint people who think there is no level of coercion they deliver that will be resisted. They think the world obeys their petty diktats no matter how onerous, unjust or frankly evil.

This is why some people who believe open conflict and a crisis of legitimacy are necessary parts of getting where we want to go actually favor Clinton getting into the White House. A Clinton presidency simply moves up the timetable.

I don't agree, because I think the timing is endogenously regulated and think a Clinton administration simply would make things worse.

Anonymous LastRedoubt October 17, 2016 9:11 AM  

@Dyskord

The closest the left has gotten to admiting what a terrible candidate Hillary is is spreading the tired meme that both candidates are terrible.
Ya know Hillary is a corrupt crony socialist globalists selling America to the highest bidder and getting rich while she destroys the nation and sells the future of the next generation to fill her pockets.

Trump is a raciss and MISOGYNYST and raciss and a clown and also raciss did I mention he's raciss.

So they need to vote Hillary because both are terrible but she's not that terrible in their estimation.


Catching the occasional SNL clip this year has been weird.

On the one hand, they are more predictable and lame than ever (though I know plenty of liberals who think they're outrageously funny). They're especially predictable if you apply a white/male privilege filter to predict the nature of the upcoming punch lines.

They also, of course, brutally savage Trump. Even re: wikileaks, the flagrant abuses of power are considered to be less ridiculous and serious than what Trump is accused of. Cherry picking and selective wording and mote-and-bailey are the order of the day.

Anonymous Baseball Savant October 17, 2016 9:24 AM  

"Are they really bold enough to steal the election? I can't see her winning otherwise. And this isn't like previous elections. Trump wont go down easily.

I'm torn between confidence and nervousness."

I'm feeling this way too. I can't see how she's winning. I live in Indiana so maybe I'm seeing this from a state that is likely red, but I don't know ANYONE who is going to vote for her. I don't live in Gary but I live in the next most liberal county in the Hoosier state historically and even the die hard liberals I encounter daily don't like her. A friend of mine is a die hard Bernie Sanders guy & he's voting Trump because he can't stand Hillary. I haven't seen ONE Hillary sign in a yard. No Hillary stickers on cars that still have their Obama 08 and 12 stickers. I see guys in Trump t-shirts every day at the gym I go to.

Again, it's Indiana so maybe it's different in places like Wisconsin or Florida or California or Pennsylvania, but I don't know anyone who is pro-Hillary other than what we see out of the media. If it wasn't for the media I would conclude that Trump is going to do Hillary what Reagan did to Mondale.

The only way I see it is if they blatantly do steal it.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 17, 2016 9:32 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:
Clinton would undoubtedly appoint people who think there is no level of coercion they deliver that will be resisted. They think the world obeys their petty diktats no matter how onerous, unjust or frankly evil.


There are some who get it and know that pushing too far will cause armed conflict. The mistake they are making is they think the conflict will be between those who oppose them and the jack booted thugs carrying out their orders. They can't imagine a scenario where they themselves are targeted.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 17, 2016 9:36 AM  

We have post menopausal women and their gammas trying to stir up pre menopausal women with the notion that the 5 minutes of Alpha is bad, bad and more bad for them. The best election evah in the history of mankind, exploring the id of a woman facing the wall extrapolated worldwide. All women at all time raped, raped and more raped by Assange and Trump, "they never called me back" she sputtered.

Blogger wreckage October 17, 2016 9:37 AM  

"On the other hand, there is much they disagree on too: Abortion, gun regulation, tax policy, energy policy, Political contributions, etc."

Abortion as "legal safe and rare" is the entire centre, left or right. Tax and spend, again, the entire centre, just some wrangling over whose corporations are going to be sandbagged or subsidized. Gun regulation, the differences are decorative. The Dems talk big but can't actually support big moves, the Pubs talk big but can't resist small setbacks. Energy policy is locked in, with a little wrangling at the edges. Contribution rules are just jockeying to see who gets the financial advantage over who. Monetary policy is universally inflationary. Increasing penetration and burden of regulation in all sectors is a shared value. Signing away sovereignty is again, bipartisan, owing largely to a bipartisan contempt for the voter. Immigration policy is, on both sides, "import a slave caste" for the corporations, with some social engineering as a benefit to one side and a bothersome side-effect to the other.

Blogger Chiva October 17, 2016 9:48 AM  

"Again, it's Indiana so maybe it's different in places like Wisconsin or Florida or California"

I am highly confident that Hillary will take Kalifornia irrespective of how the vote actually goes.

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Blogger JWM in SD October 17, 2016 10:00 AM  

Letsplay,

Trump calls for 1 - 5 million people to show up in DC...he might need to do that the weekend before voting. He can make that happen. Discuss....

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 17, 2016 10:01 AM  

Mountain Man wrote:(A French Revolution repeat is something they all fear. Deeply.)

As well they should. And I know that what you say is true, because of how they were so scared of disarmed cowards that they got the NYC police to (unnecessarily) protect them from the Occupiers.

dc.sunsets wrote:But in truth we will still be astonished when the Bond Ocean evaporates away, beaching the submarine we know is attached to the sail (of corruption) we can see, and the Bond Ocean's wealth level recedes to reveal a breadth and depth of utter depravity in public offices and corporate management not even the greatest cynic today can foresee.

I agree. It is wise to know your limits. As Warren Buffett or his right-hand man Charlie Munger said (I forget which), when the tide goes out, you see who's been swimming naked. Highest tide ever, so the view when it recedes is going to be positively obscene.

dc.sunsets wrote:This is why some people who believe open conflict and a crisis of legitimacy are necessary parts of getting where we want to go actually favor Clinton getting into the White House. A Clinton presidency simply moves up the timetable.

I don't agree, because I think the timing is endogenously regulated and think a Clinton administration simply would make things worse.


Again, I agree. It's actually a self-disproving belief, because if society were so easy to manipulate that we could trigger CWII by electing Clinton, then she could make it not happen. But really just it will happen on its own timeframe that no one can control.

Blogger glad2meetyou October 17, 2016 10:05 AM  

Animal Farm is a classic. It's short and sweet. The present Dems and Republicans clearly disregarded the morale, if they ever bothered to read the story. Their actions beg the question:

Who won the Cold War again?

Blogger Credo in unum Deum October 17, 2016 10:10 AM  

@36 It seems to me that the Republicans who actually disagree with the Democrats on: abortion, gun control,tax policy, energy policy,Political contributions, etc. are such a small number with no real political power that the parties are for all practical purposes the same.

Anonymous I'm With Her October 17, 2016 10:13 AM  

"@36 It seems to me that the Republicans who actually disagree with the Democrats on: abortion, gun control,tax policy, energy policy,Political contributions, etc. are such a small number with no real political power that the parties are for all practical purposes the same."

Ryan and McConnell, the leaders of the GOP, as well as Trump, disagree with the leaders of the Democratic party on these issues.

Anonymous Just another commenter October 17, 2016 10:14 AM  

I'd love to see a Trump add showing the devastated inner city in Detroit, Philly, DC, New Orleans, and elsewhere, which have had Dem mayors for at least 30 straight years. A series of images flash onto the screen (maybe a covered body for Chicago)for about two or three seconds each, with simple text: city, how many continuous years of Dem rule they have had, and how many billions in Federal subsidies they have received in that time to achieve that result.

After five or six of those scary images go by, the punch-line is "We've had 8 years of Dem President. He's doubled the Federal debt. Are you $9,000,000,000,000 better off? Do you really want the Dem vision spread nationwide? Hillary and her banker-donors do."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 17, 2016 10:16 AM  

If any of you gents like to gaze upon female flesh while reading about politics the Barbi twins defend Trump, but they are voting for Jill because of puppies and kittens. link thru Drudge

Blogger Servant of the Chief October 17, 2016 10:17 AM  

VD, any word on the grapevine about a solid youtube alternative anywhere down the line? I don't expect it from you personally since you're already balls deep in Infogalactic and Gab, but the shenanigans on youtube are reaching hilarious levels and there is growing agitation for a functional youtube alternative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgH4Y8h3KYw

Blogger JWM in SD October 17, 2016 10:19 AM  

Mountain Man,
I think you're right about Trump. That nearly 1B carry foward from the mid nineties was where he got burned by the SL crisis. It nearly ruined him. He's pissed to this day.

Blogger Credo in unum Deum October 17, 2016 10:20 AM  

@58 Maybe, but by much I would say. That's why, for ordinary people, the parties are the same.

Anonymous pasalaSUPEEEERRRR October 17, 2016 10:21 AM  

@56 We sure as hell didn't. We stepped up to the plate to defend our collective way of life which, while it benefited all of us, benefited the 1% the most. We defended their property, and in gratitude they carry out cultural genocidal race replacement of the American people. The forces of order had their eye on one internationalist ideological disease, communism, and dropped the ball on defending us against another, globalism.

Blogger Credo in unum Deum October 17, 2016 10:24 AM  

@63 Sorry, it should have been NOT by much.

Blogger residentMoron October 17, 2016 10:43 AM  

Opening another front in the war on civilisation, Russia Today's UK operations gave been informed by their bankers - Royal Bank of Scotland Group - that the bank will no longer do business with RT as of 12 December 2016, the decision is final, and no correspondence will be entered into.

The decision apparently includes several senior staff at the news channel, which is a radical escalation beyond merely targeting the organization.

Blogger residentMoron October 17, 2016 10:44 AM  

Fascism is alive and well in the West. The unholy marriage of state and corporate interests will not be dethroned without conflict.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 17, 2016 10:48 AM  

I don't believe baby boomer women are buying the narrative of Hillary running away with it and Trump being destroyed by rape accusations. These revelations are only making them more likely to vote for the candidate they already preferred. Millenials are buying it, but they won't be a significant demographic because many will stay home or vote for Gary "muh weed" Johnson.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 17, 2016 10:51 AM  

In the meantime, the Establishment has spoken. Voting is unnecessary. Hillary has already won the pre-election. Please to take your now-demoralized populism home and refrain from voting for the Literally Hitler Donald Trump on November 8th.

Nor does she truly need to go through with the formality of being sworn in, because as THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT she has to spend that extra time fighting the patriarchy. Rumors of her untimely demise in early December are vicious rumors spread by frog nazis.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 17, 2016 10:57 AM  

the Establishment has spoken. Voting is unnecessary. Hillary has already won the pre-election. Please to take

If the Crooked Eye Clinton van is a rocking don't come a mocking.
http://truepundit.com/hillarys-hospital-van-weaponized-medical-transport-carts-her-to-campaign-stops/

Interesting how close Ryan was to the Pussygate leak. Derb's right: he just not that smart

For how fast he reacted it must have been his Pussy.
"Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Van Fitted With Rear Napping Bed & Automated External Defibrillator (AED)"

"I look at Hillary I think of John Carpenter's no-budget cult classic THEY LIVE" 'Not enough P.E.P.E."

Once you have seen a reptilian with a tiny PePe you can't unsee it.

can't see her winning other than outright stealing. But that leaves the open question of "What do we do if she "magically" wins?"

To paraphrase Putin "if they pretend to mistakenly stuff the ballot box with dead voters, we will pretend to mistakenly stuff the ______ with live ones"

Somehow it's worked out that "racism" has suddenly lost all meaning with the right wing although it's completely at a loss to understand why.

If the Chicago reporter that covers crony deals made in the bathhouses is to be believed even ni66ers could figure it out. http://hillbuzz.org/extreme-black-anger-in-chicago-at-obama-he-done-did-it-he-ruined-it-for-us-white-people-dont-feel-guilty-no-more-and-wont-do-stuff-for-us-now-64493

The bookies are not giving good odds right now.

People won big betting on BREXIT but they still used paper ballots and the Brexiters brought pens so it couldn't be erased.

Trump calls for 1 - 5 million people to show up in DC Is it too late to invest in pitchforks?

That nearly 1B carry foward from the mid nineties was where he got burned by the SL crisis. It nearly ruined him. He's pissed to this day.

On an old video of him talking to a congressional committee he was upset about them selling property for 5 cents on the dollar, because it caused bad people to buy and mismanage it. That is how Buffet made his fortune.

Anonymous Pepe is scaring me October 17, 2016 11:16 AM  

In the meantime, the Establishment has spoken. Voting is unnecessary. Hillary has already won the pre-election. Please to take your now-demoralized populism home and refrain from voting for the Literally Hitler Donald Trump on November 8th.

And get those damned Frogs out of the public eye on the way.

Blogger Johnny October 17, 2016 11:16 AM  

Exploitation is the norm and trust should be conditional. That's all.

The current problem mainly, is that our social system encourages the accumulation of wealth by the already well to do, and so that is what we have. It has gone to excess.

Blogger Robert What? October 17, 2016 11:17 AM  

As our beloved InstaPundit has observed, "1984" and "Animal Farm" were meant to be cautionary tales. not instruction manuals.

Blogger James Dixon October 17, 2016 11:25 AM  

> I'm feeling this way too. I can't see how she's winning.

We don't know that she is. None of the polls can be trusted. It's an inexact science to start with, and the given the clear media bias for Clinton there's absolutely no way to know how much they're manipulating the results.

Remember the polls for Brexit. These are the same people using the same methods. And we have no idea what turnout for either side will be, or how the undecided will break. It's literally an impossible to call election.

But if the election were actually in the bag, would WaPo be bothering with this kind of propaganda? We all know better than that. They're scared to death.

Tune it all out (well, expect for laughing that their obvious state of panic), go out and vote. If you can take a Trump voter to the polls with you who otherwise wouldn't go, do so. If you don't have to work, volunteer to give rides. That's all we can do.

Vote, and let the chips fall where they may.

> Infogalactic topic was created and deleted 2 times recently

Does Wikipedia have a topic on the forking of open source licensed material? If they do add an entry using Infogalactic as an example of same.

Blogger pyrrhus October 17, 2016 11:42 AM  

There is zero enthusiasm for Hilldebeest, and people who have never voted before are unlikely to answer polls, or even be reached by polls. In fact, there is absolutely no reason for a Trump supporter to answer a poll honestly--nothing beneficial can come from it in this Orwellian society.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 17, 2016 11:46 AM  

In fact, there is absolutely no reason for a Trump supporter to answer a poll honestly

Still have a landline. Every previous election cycle I've put up with a poll at least once. This cycle I just politely decline and hang up. Because there's no upside and possible downside.

I am not the only one not answering polls this year.

Blogger Credo in unum Deum October 17, 2016 12:09 PM  

@76 I don't answer polls either but what counts is casting a ballot and the Republican party is not helping Trump. 42 million for Romney and nothing for Trump.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 17, 2016 12:14 PM  

I'm With Her wrote:Ryan and McConnell, the leaders of the GOP, as well as Trump, disagree with the leaders of the Democratic party on these issues.

Which is why during the Bush years when the GOP controlled all 3 branches of government the NFA and GCA were repealed, Congress removed state abortion and marriage laws from the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, we Drilled, baby, Drill, the Feds were gotten out of education and several Cabinet level agencies were abolished.

Oh wait, none of that happened. At least the Democrats don't pretend to kiss you before they screw you over.

Blogger Mom October 17, 2016 12:43 PM  

FWIW I have been driving around in several states this fall; Trump signs in yards (and roadsides) versus Hillary signs have been about 250 to 1 in favor of Trump. If they are voting for her they are certainly not proud of it.

Blogger CynicalMan October 17, 2016 12:44 PM  

There are a truck load of voters out there who are willing to make the protest vote and who just might vote for Trump as a protest knowing that Hillary has already won. The media is in full demoralization mode working to keep Americans away from the polls. It might be the only way Clinton can win.

Blogger Doom October 17, 2016 12:57 PM  

I was wondering, Batman, if the mask would hold the id. Now I know. Cheers.

Anonymous Frank Brady October 17, 2016 1:01 PM  

Regardless of the apparent election outcome, the United States will not survive much longer. The divisions are too profound and the hatred is irreparable. The establishment does not understand that it (and not its troops) will be among the first casualties.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 17, 2016 1:15 PM  

Can anyone find a flaw in this reasoning? Because I really want it to be false:

1. In manias, some people indulge their ids.

2. When they bust, not only do we discover who was overleverged, but also whatever shenanigans and hanky-panky they were up to, because the people who knew no longer fear retaliation (or even desire continued association).

3. The strangeness of the revelations is proportional to the strength of the mania, because it stimulates the id and protects the actors.

4. Because of that one daycare scandal turning out to be not only false but absurdly unbelievable, out of all of the possibilities that we know are both imaginable and doable, the single most startling revelation would be if there were actually organized, Satanic, ritualized kiddy-diddling going on right under our nose.

5. Therefore, that is what I expect we will see when the bond ocean tide goes out

Blogger Timmy3 October 17, 2016 1:24 PM  

There's 3 states that no Republican lost in previous elections, but Trump is polling even.... Arizona, Alaska, and Utah. That's turning solid Red to purple. Trump isn't turning any blue states to red. This does not suggest a winning campaign.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 17, 2016 1:33 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> I'm feeling this way too. I can't see how she's winning.

We don't know that she is. None of the polls can be trusted. It's an inexact science to start with, and the given the clear media bias for Clinton there's absolutely no way to know how much they're manipulating the results.


inductivist.blogspot.com/2016/08/these-polls-are-closer-to-truth-gravis.html

Anonymous BGKB October 17, 2016 1:41 PM  

"Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Van Fitted With Rear Napping Bed & Automated External Defibrillator (AED)"

If the Crooked Eye Clinton Van Is A Rocking, The AED is a SHOCKING.

Blogger Cloudbuster October 17, 2016 2:00 PM  

I'm feeling this way too. I can't see how she's winning. I live in Indiana so maybe I'm seeing this from a state that is likely red, but I don't know ANYONE who is going to vote for her. I don't live in Gary but I live in the next most liberal county in the Hoosier state historically and even the die hard liberals I encounter daily don't like her.

I'm next door in Ohio and in my rural country, it's Trump/Pence signs everywhere. But this weekend we took a friend to a birthday dinner at Schmidt's in German Village in Columbus. German Village is a very trendy, lefty sort of neighborhood. I looked around and said "Oh. This is where all the Clinton/Kaine signs went."

Blogger Ransom Smith October 17, 2016 2:35 PM  

Anyone else get the feeling the establishment has almost given up? I feel like they can't sustain this pressure. And feeling the breeze on social media I almost feel a change. The quid pro quo with the FBI is too damming to ignore. Even the MSM is starting to talk about it.

I think they're starting to realize they might have gone a bridge too far.

Anonymous Discard October 17, 2016 2:49 PM  

31. & 32. Mountain Man: Very interesting about the conflict within the Deep State. It makes sense. Why should military and national security people want always to play second fiddle to banksters? Why should WASPy generals and spooks take orders from largely Jewish overlords? And what would they rather rule, a First World or a Third World country? They of all people must know about Human BioDiversity and the pointlessness of trying to turn mud into marble.



Just as we here speculate on the prospects of going the way of Yugoslavia, people with much more info and power do as well. They intend to keep their positions of power, or improve them. A mass of armed, enraged Whites is a powerful tool to use against their rivals.

Trump may be a willing cat's paw.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 17, 2016 2:53 PM  

I'm With Her wrote:Ryan and McConnell, the leaders of the GOP, as well as Trump, disagree with the leaders of the Democratic party on these issues.
You are going by their words, not their actions. The GOP has a majority in congress and yet manages not to make ANY CHANGES AT ALL in the Democrat agenda. Literally everything the Dems ask for they get. Tell me again why you believe people who are demonstrably, obviously lying.

The one time in the last 6 years for instance that there was a vote that could have affected abortion in any way, defunding Planned Parenthood, the bill was killed by the GOP.
What changes have the GOP made in taxes or spending over the last 6 years?

Literally what part of the Conservative agenda has the GOP actually even tried to implement?

Anonymous Discard October 17, 2016 3:09 PM  

Mountain Man: On what article at Dalrock was the comment by Looking Glass posted?

Anonymous I'm with heroin October 17, 2016 3:48 PM  

Ryan and McConnell, the leaders of the GOP, as well as Trump, disagree with the leaders of the Democratic party on these issues.

Yes! And what's better, after they say a lot of words that don't mean anything, they vote with Obama!

It's great having opposition that doesn't really oppose anything!

Anonymous CloseHauled October 17, 2016 5:42 PM  

Why are the recent ladies coming out that have known Trump and backing Trump the good looking ones and the fuglies are the ones that say he groped?

If I was Trump I don't know if I would be more upset about the lies or that the female accusers are suggesting he has bad taste.

Blogger Radio White Base October 17, 2016 6:27 PM  

I have absolutely no faith in the American people to do the right thing. I'm starting to think that elections are a waste of time if the Democrats can stack the deck. The best way to beat them, I feel, is to do away with them.

Like, purge the entire left wing completely and leave none of them alive.

Blogger Lazarus October 17, 2016 7:24 PM  

Radio White Base wrote:Like, purge the entire left wing completely and leave none of them alive.

How can you mock them incessantly if they are dead? Powerlessness is adequate. Then let the eternal mockery begin.....

Agent Radio.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 17, 2016 7:27 PM  

They're trying to demoralize us. They know the game is up and voter fraud won't be accepted this time.

Hillary had to win legitimately or the chaos begins.

Blogger GFR October 17, 2016 7:28 PM  

@84
.
Think about what you just said Timmy.
.
Alaska, Arizona and Utah are supposedly on the fence but Ohio is NOT?
.
Maybe the MSM is LYING to you about AK, AZ and UT?

Blogger GFR October 17, 2016 7:33 PM  

@84
.
Think about what you just said Timmy.
.
Alaska, Arizona and Utah are supposedly on the fence but Ohio is NOT?
.
Maybe the MSM is LYING to you about AK, AZ and UT?

Blogger Mountain Man October 17, 2016 9:53 PM  

@89
There is the beginnings of a civil war occurring within the Deep State. Trump has brought it out in the open.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 17, 2016 9:58 PM  

The odd thing for all the alpha-male hoo-hah about Mr. Trump is that the conservative* women with whom I've discusses d the election find him viscerally repulsive (ditto weasel-boy, aka Mr. Cruz) And his pro-Constitution, limited Federal gummint, and pro-Christian bonafides...? Hah. Non-existant or worse.

So I've been anti-Trump from the primaries, and reluctantly pro-Trump post-. And I've spoken with other women who feel the same: He's disgusting. A revolting man. Nonetheless SOME of his possible (anyone who runs for office is probably lying about what he will do if elected, and Mr. Trump has no in-office record) policy positions and "not-an-America-hating-crooked-Stalinist" status have us agreeing to hold our nose and vote for him.

What's funny is that, as conservative* gals who are embedded in (for different reasons) Prog Central, if we simply avoid watching Mr. Trump speak, and only listen to what the vile progs are saying about him, the sense of resignation begins to change to an actual desire to vote FOR him.

The rational, conservative* argument for Trumps vs Hillary is as obvious as it is painful.

But for conservatives* I find the emotional "argument" amusing: Avoid the man. Listen to his detractors. Heh.

*pro-Constitution, pro-Christian



Blogger Lazarus October 17, 2016 10:22 PM  

The Overgrown Hobbit wrote:What's funny is that, as conservative* gals who are embedded in (for different reasons) Prog Central, if we simply avoid watching Mr. Trump speak, and only listen to what the vile progs are saying about him, the sense of resignation begins to change to an actual desire to vote FOR him.

And remember, this is not the ultimate outcome, this is the last chance to thwart the leftist tsunami. Once that is done, the building can commence in the next round.

Blogger Radio White Base October 17, 2016 11:04 PM  

@Lazarus

One's goal should be the destruction of the Left wing so thoroughly that it can never regroup.

What happened after the Civil War? We left the Democrats alone to reassemble.
What happened after Reagan got elected? We left the Democrats alone to reassemble.

I want them to cease to exist as a political force. The best way to do it is in the style of the French Revolution.

If you have a "D" next to your name, you go to either the guillotine or the firing squad.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 17, 2016 11:20 PM  

Just another commenter wrote:I'd love to see a Trump add showing the devastated inner city in Detroit, Philly, DC, New Orleans, and elsewhere, which have had Dem mayors for at least 30 straight years.
So has Portland, Oregon (the "independents" are all left-leaning).  The problem isn't party-related, it's 100% race.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 18, 2016 1:50 AM  

Widely Headgash wrote:The one time in the last 6 years for instance that there was a vote that could have affected abortion in any way, defunding Planned Parenthood, the bill was killed by the GOP.
Because even the GOP knows how much such things will enrage the center, and without the center they can't win.  Abortion is a loser issue.  You are crazy enough about it to think that telling other families that they MUST bear and raise a child with Down's won't get a huge backlash.  They aren't.

Immigration is a winning issue.  Refusal to campaign on immigration is a true indication that the GOPe is a puppet organization.

Anonymous 10/18 October 18, 2016 3:17 AM  

User "The Overgrown Hobbit" taking stated female opinions about men at face value.

Jealous females gonna do what they do.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 18, 2016 9:50 AM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Abortion is a loser issue. 

Abortion is what will bring God to destroy this country. Loser issue indeed, but not in the way you imagine.

Mr. Rational wrote:... even the GOP knows how much such things will enrage the center, and without the center they can't win. 

What is the point in ``winning'' if it gets you nothing but grief? That sort of ``winning'' has brought us unlimited, federally funded immigration, unlimited, federally funded abortion and too many similar blessings.

If that's winning, I'd like to try losing for a while, please.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 18, 2016 2:30 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Abortion is what will bring God to destroy this country.
Abortion was completely unregulated for the USA's first century.  Babies with major digestive or circulatory defects just died, and well into the 20th century most with un-correctable problems like Down's were allowed to die even when surgeries were available for the rest.  Where was this angry God of yours all that time?

There's a lesson there about strength, but it doesn't come from the New Testament.  It comes from the Spartans.

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