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Friday, October 28, 2016

Not guilty in Oregon

A welcome smackdown to federal prosecutorial overreach:
A jury Thursday delivered a stunning across-the-board acquittal to the leaders and participants in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation and a remarkable blow to the federal government as it tries to tamp down a national movement led by a Nevada family to open public lands to ranchers, miners and loggers. The verdicts finding Ammon Bundy, older brother Ryan Bundy and five others not guilty of a federal conspiracy drew elation from defense attorneys who spent five weeks arguing that the armed takeover amounted to a time-honored tradition of First Amendment protest and civil disobedience.
I can't help but wonder if this isn't, in part, a consequence of the total refusal of the local, state, and federal authorities to respond in any serious matter to all the Black Lives Matter protests this summer.

The one thing is clear is that white people across the country are increasingly beginning to understand that the federal government and its agencies are not on their side. The days of using the equivalent of "broken taillight" laws to lock up enemies of the state may be coming to an end.

It certainly was the right verdict, considering that the "crime" of which the men were actually accused was a conspiracy to prevent federal employees from going to work.

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90 Comments:

Blogger Anchorman October 28, 2016 8:14 AM  

Shocking verdict, but the right one.

Anonymous WinstonWebb October 28, 2016 8:15 AM  

The whining and gnashing of teeth in the Washington Post article comments is delicious!

Please win, Mr. Trump. If only for the lulz.

Anonymous Fran October 28, 2016 8:20 AM  

Speaking of BLM, I couldn't help notice the ebbng of the protests blocking streets. Have seen some compilations on youtube of cars running them over...could it be the cops aren't interested in prosecuting those hit and runs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkph_Mku2pI

Blogger pyrrhus October 28, 2016 8:20 AM  

The verdict was no doubt influenced by the revelation that Federal snitches and agents provocateurs in the group outnumbered the defendants. But kudos to the defense and the jury!

Blogger Are W October 28, 2016 8:21 AM  

The fact that half of the demonstrators worked for the FBI didn't help the persecutors case.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch October 28, 2016 8:22 AM  

I'm glad of this news.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey October 28, 2016 8:22 AM  

Black Lives Matter is a new phenomenon that really has no bearing on Westerners. Their beef is with the other BLM, Bureau of Land Management, and the Forest Circus, the two largest landowners in the US. When they control the grass that feed your livestock, the timber that employs the loggers and sawmills, and the fuelwood that heats your home in the winter, there's a little animosity towards them. Cattle numbers decline, sawmills close, and communities dry up, and it is because the primary landowners in DC have a visceral hatred for traditional Western culture, which is strongest in families that live off the land. They are trying to starve us out with spotted owls and prairie chickens. They are cutting off our means of survival, just like they did the Indians.

Anonymous Millenium October 28, 2016 8:31 AM  

@4: I believe that may have been the crucial factor for the jury in nullifying the charge.

The salt spilled in reddit over this is amazing.

Blogger haus frau October 28, 2016 8:32 AM  

When the defense attorney asked that ammon bundy be freed immediately the judge refused and claimed there was a hold on him for the 2014 battle of bunkerville. The attorney demanded to see the paperwork and the judge immediately had the us marshals arrest him in the courtroom. They are shameless and I pray they will get theirs sooner rather than later.

Anonymous Clay October 28, 2016 8:32 AM  

I can only speak for Mississippi, but, if you have a major (we'll call it a "creek", for this purpose), the Corps of Engineers will still come out, survey your land, build a damn...and viola!

You've got a lake...they call it a watershed. Even stock it, if you wish.

Then, they go away. Forever. It's yours to use as you fit.

I fish for bream & bass on several. Flood the stumps, good fishing.

Anonymous totenhenchen October 28, 2016 8:36 AM  

Massa Soros is keeping them on a tight leash until after the election. Expect #BlackChristmas (or some such) riots during the holiday shopping season.

Blogger FALPhil October 28, 2016 8:36 AM  

This is apretty big deal. That means it will not be covered well by major new outlets.

I wonder if it was a straight up acquittal, or if the concept of nullification played a part.

Blogger tz October 28, 2016 8:39 AM  

Meanwhile, another journalist loses over not being PC

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 28, 2016 8:42 AM  

The idiots like that Turk (who needs to be sent home)are screaming "white privilege" and I approve of that message.

We are in the golden age of the Troll.

Blogger tz October 28, 2016 8:42 AM  

Or after the Hillary Deal.
I expect more nullification now that Comey proved the whole system is rigged.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 28, 2016 8:45 AM  

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Anonymous CC October 28, 2016 8:50 AM  

I have to say I really love trial by jury sometimes. This likely would never have happened in a lot of the courts in the non-Anglophone European countries.

I wonder if there'll be an an appeal. If the prosecutors and government are smart, they'll let it lie.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 28, 2016 8:51 AM  

At this point I'm not quite sure to think of Alex Jones and Infowars. I'm wary of all media to be safe.

I remember when this was happening and Alex was distancing himself from it saying that he believed the movement had been infiltrated by undercover agents. He had his reporters report on it, but he wouldn't let them go near where they were held up. He knew something bad was going to happen.

But this story is almost a day old, and I've checked Infowars and from what I can tell they haven't reported on it. Neither has there been any coverage of the trial. I don't know, maybe he will address it today on his show.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 28, 2016 8:53 AM  

Y'all gonna crush me for this but the Anti-Federalists were, at the very least, prescient. English culture includes those who supported ratification of the Constitution and those who opposed it. Those who opposed it were both authors of the Declaration of Independence and editors of John Dickinson's draft of the Articles of Confederation. In my opinion, what we are seeing in these times are an exoneration of their claims. The excesses of Hamiltonian tendencies are being checked by the spirit of Patrick Henry and Thomas Burke.

Blogger praetorian October 28, 2016 8:56 AM  

The salt spilled in reddit over this is amazing.

Tactical law-and-orderism is even better than tactical nihilism: how dare you ignore the laws we ignore with impunity?

Congrats, left: constitution's dead. Only power and will to it now.

Anonymous Hrw-500 October 28, 2016 8:58 AM  

@3. Fran

There's a new term who appeared about it called "Black Lives Splatter"(BLS). I saw this very politically incorrect video with a song who'll trigger lots of snowflakes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogla8jzV_DQ&feature=youtu.be

Encyclopedia Dramatica did also a mention of BLS.

Blogger praetorian October 28, 2016 8:59 AM  

Y'all gonna crush me for this but the Anti-Federalists were, at the very least, prescient

I'd be surprised if more than 10% of the regulars disagree with that.

Blogger residentMoron October 28, 2016 9:00 AM  

This us great newd because it's a great sign that a "random" selection of jurors reached the right decision. It speaks well of a changing mood, a new insight, a return to reality.

Anonymous Takin' a Look October 28, 2016 9:00 AM  

Good news to hear

@totenhenchen

Maybe,maybe not, BlackLivesMatter have gone off the reservation and stand in solidarity with the Palestinians. Soros might be getting heat applied by other (((bigwigs))) to Shut.It.Down.

Blogger Robert What? October 28, 2016 9:03 AM  

To bad you can't sue government officials for malicious prosecution.

Blogger pdwalker October 28, 2016 9:05 AM  

*standing fuckin' ovation!*

Blogger Chris Mallory October 28, 2016 9:05 AM  

CC wrote:I wonder if there'll be an an appeal. If the prosecutors and government are smart, they'll let it lie.

Once a jury says "Not Guilty", the government's hands are tied for those charges. They could still retry the "Theft of Government Property" charge against one of the Bundy brothers and look for the Feebs to go all out in the Nevada trial.

They could get Oregon to press charges of some type.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 28, 2016 9:10 AM  

Western lives matter, the court said so that's how you know it's true just like abortion.

Anonymous Just another commenter October 28, 2016 9:11 AM  

I don't know all the details of the case, but just knowing there were more informants (agent provocateurs, perhaps) than defendants on the scene gives a bad impression of a set-up. Whether the Feds really didn't make the case, or it was straight up jury nullification, it can't be read any other way than a giant FU to the Feds.

Be interesting to see the results of the election in that county. :-)

Blogger Jack Ward October 28, 2016 9:12 AM  

#17 CC
Don't be surprised if Obama uses executive order to jail these men, who won their defense before a jury of their peers, for a long long time. No matter executive actions are basically unconstitutional.
He and his henchpersons cannot allow juries to tamper with the ptb and their clubhouse.

Blogger Robert Divinity October 28, 2016 9:12 AM  

@15

Or after the Hillary Deal.
I expect more nullification now that Comey proved the whole system is rigged.


Jury nullification will be the wave of the future. As someone else noted, local disgust with federal land management already was widespread. Add to it the inescapable conclusion equality under the law no longer exists in the United States, and expect much, much more of this. A corrupt fiefdom cannot support a citizen jury system, so look for attempts to further curtail that right as well.

Call it the "Comey Effect."

Blogger Wrangler October 28, 2016 9:12 AM  

Kind of restores your faith in America for at least a day. Was so happy to see this last night, but they will probably get charged with violating some antelopes civil rights to make up for it.

Blogger Erynne October 28, 2016 9:13 AM  

If they make failure to repay student loans a criminal offense they will wipe out the young white population in one stroke.

Blogger RC October 28, 2016 9:15 AM  

@Al, you'd be mistaken. The anti-federalists have been long vindicated.

Blogger RC October 28, 2016 9:16 AM  

The judge must've been in shock at the verdict, but his courtroom arrest of the Bundy's attorney is nearly unprecedented.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 28, 2016 9:21 AM  

@34 , @22
My bad. Maybe I assumed too much. I will sit in the penalty box for a few hours.

Blogger Christopher October 28, 2016 9:23 AM  

haus frau,

What a collar!

"U.S. Marshals tackled Mumford to the ground and hit him with a stun gun multiple times. He was taken into custody but released shortly thereafter." --KOIN news report

Anonymous Takin' a Look October 28, 2016 9:23 AM  

-OT

#DraftourDaughters
#EnlistForHer
#FightForHer

memes here

Happy trolling!

Anonymous The OASF October 28, 2016 9:25 AM  

Two words.

FEMA Camp.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I October 28, 2016 9:33 AM  

CC wrote:I have to say I really love trial by jury sometimes. This likely would never have happened in a lot of the courts in the non-Anglophone European countries.

I wonder if there'll be an an appeal. If the prosecutors and government are smart, they'll let it lie.


They can't. It is called double jeopardy. They can start to trump up other miscellaneous charges civil rights violations and the like to put them in jail. A smart prosecutor will know not to try for that in the current venue. If they want another go, look for the feds to ask for a change of venue to someplace lest hostile like DC.

Blogger Teri October 28, 2016 9:38 AM  

Here is the real problem:

https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_land_ownership_by_state#Federal_land_by_state


When 84.9% of a state (Nevada) is Federally owned, is it still a sovereign state? Should the people that live in cities 300 miles away tell the people that live in a place how to use the land? And the city people would be happy if the Feds owned the entire state except for the cities. There should be laws restricting the government from owning or managing more than 50% of a state. They should have to put the excess lands up for sale. And we should restrict locking up land in the West for parks, scenic areas, or managed lands. If they don't need to do these things on the East Coast, they don't need to do it on the West.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 28, 2016 9:41 AM  

@41. Teri,

The federal government shouldn't be allowed to manage any land in any state.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 28, 2016 9:43 AM  

Perhaps the jury decision can't be overturned, but can't the Feds bring new charges and charge them for some other felonies? There are so many laws now; I'm sure it won't take long for them to think of something.

Blogger Teri October 28, 2016 9:58 AM  

I agree, but they will insist that they have to "protect" those parks. It's all corruption.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl October 28, 2016 10:00 AM  

haus frau wrote:When the defense attorney asked that ammon bundy be freed immediately the judge refused and claimed there was a hold on him for the 2014 battle of bunkerville. The attorney demanded to see the paperwork and the judge immediately had the us marshals arrest him in the courtroom. They are shameless and I pray they will get theirs sooner rather than later.

And here's the thing - if the peaceful political solutions don't work and the armed stuff happens, locals know that petty bureaucrats and local gov types don't have the security details that fedgovs do. (Now I don't advocate, just saying that there are folks out there who may do this...)

I think it will be a spin on the old hippie line to "Think Globally, Act Locally".

Blogger The Remnant October 28, 2016 10:05 AM  

An excellent example of why it's important to cherish jury duty rather than dodge it. The jury is perhaps the last mechanism within the system that allows people to assert their rightful sovereignty over the government, which is supposed to serve them.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 28, 2016 10:05 AM  

I've been wondering lately if a Hillary presidency, and what it would mean for U.S. foreign policy wouldn't cause some sort of a split within the ranks of the military.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 28, 2016 10:11 AM  

The most important thing to keep in mind is that the FBI was there the whole time with agents and informants for the purpose of convincing people to engage in violence. It's probably what resulted in the acquittals. If you see anyone here or elsewhere start talking about the need for violence or lawbreaking, that might be a person you want to keep an eye on and maybe keep away from.

Violence against the Deep State, its minions or mascots is what they want from you. They want to be able to characterize you as crazy, dangerous, etc. This is how they get society to turn on you and also how they keep others from catching on to the shell games they play. No one is going to rush to the defense of those engaging in violence and they will dismiss what you have to say -- you are not mascots of the Deep State (like BLM, for example) so you don't get any quarter or free pass.

Anonymous CC October 28, 2016 10:23 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote

Once a jury says "Not Guilty", the government's hands are tied for those charges. They could still retry the "Theft of Government Property" charge against one of the Bundy brothers and look for the Feebs to go all out in the Nevada trial.

They could get Oregon to press charges of some type.


Ah, of course. Dumb of me not to realise that. Hopefully they'll be left alone now. Juries can be a very good check on overreach and bad laws. Remember that film The Verdict with Paul Newman? It was kind of a similar scenario. His speech at the end was gold:

You know, so much of the time we're just lost. We say, "Please, God, tell us what is right; tell us what is true." And there is no justice: the rich win, the poor are powerless. We become tired of hearing people lie. And after a time, we become dead... a little dead. We think of ourselves as victims... and we become victims. We become... we become weak. We doubt ourselves, we doubt our beliefs. We doubt our institutions. And we doubt the law. But today you are the law. You ARE the law. Not some book... not the lawyers... not the, a marble statue... or the trappings of the court. See those are just symbols of our desire to be just. They are... they are, in fact, a prayer: a fervent and a frightened prayer. In my religion, they say, "Act as if ye had faith... and faith will be given to you." IF... if we are to have faith in justice, we need only to believe in ourselves. And ACT with justice. See, I believe there is justice in our hearts.

Blogger Sheila4g October 28, 2016 10:25 AM  

@19 Al From Bay Shore: Why should anyone here disagree with you? You are absolutely correct. Presume you've read "The Anti-Federalist Papers" - if not, you should. Those who opposed the draft constitution were misnamed and prescient.

Blogger lowell houser October 28, 2016 10:27 AM  

Black Lives Matter? NO. That's reaching so far you might sprain something. Vox you have proudly stated that you haven't set foot in the states in two decades. Well, that means you haven't any time among the people of the Pacific Northwest. It's an anti-fed powder keg. Especially Oregon, which has the most developed militia network in the country.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 28, 2016 10:32 AM  

You know you can say that all of the various parts of the law machine that worked against these people, from the judges down to the beat cop are just following orders (which is bad enough) but it seems in the case of the federal marshals taking down that lawyer that they wanted to take him down, that this thing was personal to them, and that they had contempt for the lawful decision of the jury.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl October 28, 2016 10:34 AM  

@48

Agreed, for sure. A thing we have to remember - the Feds *want violent actions to happen in order to pick groups off one by one.

And yes, the easiest tell of informants is "Hey brothers, there's a power station in a blacks!! neighbohorhood lts go blow it up brothers!"

I can only speak for myself, but I say "violence may/will happen" as a result of certain kinds of ineptitude undertaken on the part of policy.

Most of the "violence advocacy" I see, or condone, is defensive. To paraphrase the black police chief of Detroit, and Sheriff Clarke of Milwaukee - you have guns to help protect your home, your family, and your community.

Note - I've found it handy when talking to libs that my gun stance is the same as two black guys who work in LE in largely blue cities. Not always, but it can help when cornered in discussion.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 28, 2016 10:34 AM  

Oh great the militia movement, back to the woods to BBQ squirrels, yeah militia movement.

Anonymous coyote October 28, 2016 10:38 AM  

@48 agents of the fedgov are everywhere. paranoia these days is the watchword. God bless those jurors for doing the right thing; I was convinced the Bundys would never see daylight again. Reid and Clinton are guilty of selling mineral rights to foreign governments (corporations) to line their own pockets- Reid has forced nearly a hundred ranchers off their grazing lands in Nevada, using alphabet agencies to list endangered turtles or lizards blah blah in order to line his own pockets. He vowed to get the Bundys after that standoff; and now we know how it happened: agitators and infiltrators egging them on. There are still innocent people in prison that the Bundys went to protest about: The Hammond family of Burns, Oregon.

Blogger lowell houser October 28, 2016 10:41 AM  

For those wondering why Infowars and other alternative media are not bothering to cover this it's because the Bundy brothers(idiots one and all) refuge standoff pissed away everything our side gained from the Bundy RANCH standoff. Amon and his FBI handlers crossed state lines from Mormon country to Oregon where there are not really welcome among the evangelicals, crashed a meeting they were not invited to, talked to no one there about their plans, asked no one for permission to do something so tactically stupid in their country, and then stayed there after numerous demands from the people there and the Hammonds. The Hammonds would have been valuable as political prisoners. We could have plastered their story all over social media. Would have been a great propaganda weapon. Instead we get screengrabs of these morons holding the dildos and lube the lefties sent them.

We were one negligent discharge away from a repeat of Lexington-Concord in Nevada. The feds backed down because Barry decided that he didn't want to the president that sent America into a civil war over cows. Then these guys managed to roll back every bit of public support that Bundy Ranch gained us. They've been disowned.

Blogger Ron October 28, 2016 10:46 AM  

Judge wont release them and the lawyer got tazed. This is no victory. The people of Oregon must get up and take to the streets in mass protest. This has to stop.

Anonymous coyote October 28, 2016 10:49 AM  

@54 yep, yep, thass we all about, boss- squirrel BBQ in the woods. lolz.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 28, 2016 10:50 AM  

Mighty Lou wrote:Perhaps the jury decision can't be overturned, but can't the Feds bring new charges and charge them for some other felonies? There are so many laws now; I'm sure it won't take long for them to think of something.

The Bundy Brothers at least are still facing Federal charges in Nevada.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl October 28, 2016 10:50 AM  

@58 That IS what we're all about! ;)

Blogger YIH October 28, 2016 11:00 AM  

CC wrote:I have to say I really love trial by jury sometimes. This likely would never have happened in a lot of the courts in the non-Anglophone European countries.

I wonder if there'll be an an appeal. If the prosecutors and government are smart, they'll let it lie.

I'm guessing because it apparently took place in Portland OR that the jury wasn't ''diverse'', IOW a genuine jury of their peers. Had it been conducted elsewhere (Seattle, Sacramento, Salt Lake City or Denver for example) they likely would have stocked the jury with enough ''diversity'' that the prosecution would likely have been successful.

Anonymous coyote October 28, 2016 11:04 AM  

@56 Sir, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the Bundy brothers- they are not "idiots". They are innocent naifs who believed that the system was not as corrupt or decadent as it has become; no different than the sweet little ladies who write letters to our local paper decrying all "the horrible things people are saying about Hillary".
It is taking time to wake up the "normies" to the realities of the red pill. Fedgov agitators are out there in our rural communities seeking hotheads to justify further surveillance and tyranny if they are unwise enough to fall for the sting. number 57 "ron" is probably one of them. "mass protests" will result in mass incarceration and martial law. jury nullification is peaceful, lawful, and the ultimate stop to prosecution overreach. next step: tenth amendment states' rights movements to force federal agents off our lands.

Blogger Nick S October 28, 2016 11:10 AM  

Mighty Lou wrote:@41. Teri,

The federal government shouldn't be allowed to manage any land in any state.


It's a transitional stepping stone for UNESCO. Centralized global governance is the ultimate goal of Democrats/Leftists or, as I like to call them, "pathological liars"

Blogger Chris Mallory October 28, 2016 11:16 AM  

Nick S wrote:It's a transitional stepping stone for UNESCO. Centralized global governance is the ultimate goal of Democrats/Leftists or, as I like to call them, "pathological liars"

It has been going on since the 1800's. Starting with Yellowstone in 1871 and taking full force with the first idiot Roosevelt cousin to hold power.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 28, 2016 11:17 AM  

15 government plants, more than twice the number of people charged. That had to play a factor, including the gun trainer who taught people to search people coming in and "Mamma bear"

actually accused was a conspiracy to prevent federal employees from going to work.

Not only was it closed for the season but govt employees working please.

The salt spilled in reddit over this is amazing. Can confirm plenty of faggot tears.

Alex was distancing himself from it saying that he believed the movement had been infiltrated by undercover agents

It was obviously not a majority of real men as they put out requests for things they didn't pack like "French vanilla creamer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu1MN34-PB8

I expect more nullification now that Comey proved the whole system is rigged.

Groids have been doing jury nullification since before OJ

Blogger Can't wait October 28, 2016 11:24 AM  

What an abuse of power!

“And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure, when we have removed their only firm basis — a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? And they are not to be violated but with His wrath.” — Thomas Jefferson

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise." —Adolf Hitler.

We ought to obey God rather than men. Peter and Paul deliberately and repetitively broke man's law.
Acts 18:13, “Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.”
Acts 5:29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.

Just another sign of a failing society. God started creation with one law (tree of knowledge), the sins of man forced the introduction of 10 laws (ten commandments), the further sins of man forced the introduction of >600 Deuteronomic and Levitical laws, the further sins of man introduced civil laws of >>100,000!
"The more corrupt a society, the more numerous its laws." - Vox Clamantis

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Blogger Teri October 28, 2016 11:35 AM  

For those wanting more background, I think Greg Walden gave a fine speech:

https://walden.house.gov/speech

Anonymous BGKB October 28, 2016 11:39 AM  

People saying bad things about the Bundy's need to understand there was at least 15 paid agent provocateurs identifiable in the info the defense council was able to get. They were not just outnumbered but outnumbered at least 2 to 1, that's more than enough to control the message. For the trip to the evangelicals, how do we know that none of the provocateurs lied to the Bundys "hey man the evangelicals want us up there, ask bob & "Mama Bear" they talked to them also"

The govt spent over $6.9million on the operation, from the link I posted during the trial.

Blogger Teri October 28, 2016 11:40 AM  

For those wanting more background, I think Greg Walden gave a fine speech:

https://walden.house.gov/speech

Blogger JS October 28, 2016 11:41 AM  

The federal district court in Portland draws its juries from a broad geographic region. At least the entire state of Oregon, maybe from the entire Northwest. So this wasn't a Portland jury, like if it had been Multnomah County. If the state pressed charges, it would probably have to be in Malheur County, back in very rural Eastern Oregon.

More interesting is the arrest of the defense attorney when the judge didn't allow the Bundys to leave. The US Marshals threw him the ground and tased him into submission.

"Mumford tells KATU News that U.S. Marshals surrounded him and told him that he was resisting arrest. The marshals tackled him and used a stun gun on him several times, Mumford said" http://katu.com/news/local/ammon-bundys-attorney-marcus-mumford-arrested-after-standoff-trial-verdict

Isn't there a 4GW principle here, we've had other discussions about the police losing the moral high ground. I think this falls into that category.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 28, 2016 11:45 AM  

The SJW outpouring on Twitter over this last night was a sight to behold. There are scads of very important, pertinent issues wrapped up in what went down with the Bundys. But all of the defendants were white, and they walked, and this was all the SJWs chose to see.

The problem in their minds is two-fold: 1) Whitey; 2) Insufficient Tyrannical Powers For Social Justice.

Upshot? Regardless of any desire you may have to keep issue from devolving into racial grievance, they will. You won't be allowed the high road, except for the rare times when such is situationally advantageous to the Left.

Blogger Elder Son October 28, 2016 11:47 AM  

Yeah. The Indians and their supporters at the pipeline protest are calling foul on this, because it's not fair that they are getting shot with rubber bullets and manhandled by the State. The Bundy's didn't get shot with rubber bullets and manhandled by the State because they were armed. I guess it is no consolation to the Indians that the Bundy's were infiltrated, and then ambushed, and then LaVoy murdered. But no, they are going to proclaim #WhitePrivilege and piggyback on the injustice of it all to make their dumb-ass case.

Government is force and violence. Whether you are "peaceful" protesters or not.

Blogger DEPLORABLILITY October 28, 2016 11:51 AM  

@56 True,true all you say, however don't see enough about the Hamonds to scratch an itch. The Hamonds story is a long and hard fight, don't know if I'd want to sit in prison for 5 yrs after spending away my land and fortune fighting the feds who keep moving the goal posts. I lived in Portland 56 yrs never heard it called "little Beirut" where do they come up with this stuff.

Anonymous CC October 28, 2016 12:33 PM  

YIH wrote

I'm guessing because it apparently took place in Portland OR that the jury wasn't ''diverse'', IOW a genuine jury of their peers. Had it been conducted elsewhere (Seattle, Sacramento, Salt Lake City or Denver for example) they likely would have stocked the jury with enough ''diversity'' that the prosecution would likely have been successful.


Yeah, true. Another sign that systems and concepts developed in the West just don't function as intended when used with people from other backgrounds.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus October 28, 2016 1:05 PM  

@ 48 f you see anyone here or elsewhere start talking about the need for violence or lawbreaking, that might be a person you want to keep an eye on and maybe keep away from.

Well, yes and no. Really, it depends on the situation. If someone is constantly advocating offensive violence and trying to egg others on to do it, then chances are you have a snitch. Roosh had a good article recently about how to detect FBI informants.

However , it's different when you're talking about "lawbreaking." Frankly, we're too the point where a little lawbreaking is necessary, and perhaps even mandatory. Certainly, it's almost unavoidable given the massive numbers of laws on the book that were made with no reference to the Bill of Rights and which are designed specifically to stop people like us from "doing something about it," even if that something is what, to a normal person, would be a relatively benign act of civil disobedience.

Keep in mind that refusing to turn in your guns if ordered to so, for instance, is "lawbreaking." Yet, I plan on doing exactly that, and would advocate that nobody else turn theirs in either. Only an idiot would think that makes me a potential FBI informant. There are many other laws we'll find ourselves having to break if we are going to in any way at all stand up for our rights, etc.

the trick to all of this is to be smart about 4GW. Right now, violence is a bad idea because it can be turned against us in the court of public opinion. If/when FedGov gets to the point where it is waging open warfare on the portion of the American people who are on its hit list, then things will have changed. Violence will not only be an option, but will probably even be a necessity if you hope to survive and protect your family.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 28, 2016 1:43 PM  

@75 Fair enough. If someone encourages you to speed or double-park, well that's one thing. If someone encourages you to "structure" bank deposits or be a straw-man gun purchaser, klaxons should start sounding.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 28, 2016 1:49 PM  

Assuming the feds will take a leaf from Parliament, prior to, oh, say, 1775, the next step will be moving all such trials to venues where juries can be guaranteed to be unsympathetic, friendly witnesses assumed to be unavailable, and where convictions can be assured.

I went to law school intending to become a prosecutor. Once I saw how badly the deck was stacked against a criminal defendant, I realized I couldn't do that. Now - or rather, in the near future - multiply that by massive factors for packed juries, politically motivated prosecutions, etc. Moreover, anyone who's ever earned the ire of the Hildebeest (and this probably includes me) cannot submit to arrest, because you're so likely to be shot while resisting or going for a gun, even if (unlike me) you don't carry.

Blogger weka October 28, 2016 2:07 PM  

@78. Tom, you are like your namesake a Kempis, and Hilary thinks she is a king, able to take out a turbulant priest without consequences.

But after death there is a judgment.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 28, 2016 2:29 PM  

If/when FedGov gets to the point where it is waging open warfare on the portion of the American people who are on its hit list, then things will have changed

So long as the hit list is small enough, and is demonized hard enough, nothing will have changed. That's been obvious for over 20 years.

Ask the Branch Davidians. Well, the ones that weren't burned to death on live, national TV, anyway.

Anonymous readywatchman October 28, 2016 2:35 PM  

@41

That kind of scheme worked out very well for Pharaoh. The Egyptians traded land for food and became serfs. This is literally thousands of years old! (Latter chapters of Genesis).

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 28, 2016 2:56 PM  

@48 Basil Makedon:

No one is going to rush to the defense of those engaging in violence and they will dismiss what you have to say -- you are not mascots of the Deep State (like BLM, for example) so you don't get any quarter or free pass.

The Anonymous Conservative recently made just such a point with a longer timeline:

Those who will die quickest will be those who act early, while their localities are filled with rabbits. The key will be surviving until the nation is ready to act.

Going violent at the outset, even in self defense, will not be an optimal strategy. We can see why that is now, because we can already observe this rabbit instinctual strategy in action now.... Resources are still high enough that the majority of the savages are pacified however, to the point that the only American K-strategists who are meeting with violent savages are the Police.

Where this happens, we can clearly see how rabbits manipulate the entire machinery so that even Police officers see their lives ruined as they merely try to stay alive while protecting others....

Have no illusions, the Police today have it easy compared to what is coming. Police are serving the public and risking their own safety for the good of society when they shoot.... When they shoot it is usually a savage criminal like Michael Brown who had just victimized his community. Yet still, the rabbits will do everything they can to destroy them. Wait until it is just your average, run of the mill K-strategist conservative civilian who killed a savage on his way home from work. The destruction to his life will be total.


He seriously exaggerates here, for that already happens a lot and usually without much fuss. Even Zimmerman was given a pass by the local authorities due to his openness about what happened and it clearly being a case of self-defense. It took the usual suspects to make it an all but Federal Case, after which the jury came to the same conclusion. So in cases of self-defense you're certainly taking a risk, but it's currently very small.

The key will be keeping your head down and avoiding the battle, until the entire nation is K-ified enough that everyone is motivated to band together, clean out the rabbits at the top, and begin the rebuilding.

Be inconspicuous, avoid conflict, stay away from dangerous areas, and know that the savages will be killing the low-level, grassroots rabbits at a far faster rate than the K-strategists. Also know that those intrepid souls who jump into the battle early will not last long. Be patient.

Sit by the river long enough, and enough dead rabbit bodies will float by that the nation can begin rebuilding.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 28, 2016 3:28 PM  

@81 Interesting read.

I have read his book and found it fairly explanatory. Obviously, it's just a model and therefore isn't coextensive with observations, but it is a handy tool.

I see very little evidence that the young are less r and more K than the previous generation. Frankly, I see widespread evidence of the opposite. These robotic trigglypuffs of stupidity are triggered by their own shadows. There are no wolves there, at best a few hyenas.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 28, 2016 3:41 PM  

@82 Basil Makedon:

I see very little evidence that the young are less r and more K than the previous generation.

He's referring to a posting he made slightly earlier that day, and he's talking about much younger folk than the "robotic trigglypuffs of stupidity are triggered by their own shadows" we see in colleges, rather, high school students who in some sort of poll were solidly for Trump. And following his two models (there's r/K, and then there's the amygdala theory he's even more monomaniacal on), he says:

My own theory is a big r-ifier has been the technology boom. In 20 years, we have seen the introduction of the internet, smart phones, touch-screen tablets, video games that are nothing short of mind-blowing, 3D movies, and media that has been striving to be as dopamine producing as possible in every realm. The endless bubble-and-debt-fueled-economy has also facilitated these amygdala-dulling dopamine rushes. To those of us for whom this is all new, it is one big dopamine rush.

But to r-ifiy, those things need to be new to you, so they trigger that unnatural dopamine rush. If you are raised with them from childhood, all of those things are ho-hum. Today’s kids can grow up with those technologies, and their amygdalae may look similar to those of kids who grew up in the fifties by the time they are in their teens.

Now, let today’s kids grow up with them, and suddenly see them pulled because mom and dad can’t find work, the economy has tanked, and there is no money, and then you will see real K-selection kick in.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 28, 2016 5:30 PM  

@83 Getting somewhat off-topic, but again an interesting read. I suspect that he has something w/r/t the dopamine cycle disruption detoxifying people of their r-ness.

On the other hand, how would he interpret the impending roll out of VR tech and sexbots? That seems like the ultimate in engineered dopamine release.

Anonymous BGKB October 28, 2016 5:53 PM  

Moreover, anyone who's ever earned the ire of the Hildebeest (and this probably includes me) cannot submit to arrest, because you're so likely to be shot while resisting or going for a gun, even if (unlike me) you don't carry.

Maybe I shouldn't have been mentioning my rainbow feather boa having paracord strands in it. If they come for me they will probably be checking my shoelaces to see if they have cuff key aglets.

Blogger Thucydides October 28, 2016 8:50 PM  

Assuming there is still trust and legitimacy in the electoral system, the prosecutors and judges should be targeted in election campaigns to remove or recall them (if local laws allow), or to be "Primaried" and replaced in the next election cycle.

If nothing else, that sends a strong message to TPTB, and also works to damage the long term strategy of the globalists.

While the election of Hillary Clinton is the end of a long act of evil, knocking off Dem candidates in *any* down election, from dog catcher to city council to prosecutor or judge empties the bench and makes the pool of up and coming electoral candidates that much smaller. It also damages the electoral "machines" and removes a lot of money and volunteers as well, resources which get used farther up the food chain as well.

Over the next four years, there should also be a concerted effort to raise corruption charges against sitting Democrats (once again locally, where they have less resources and cover) and attempt to get them removed from office. The constant erosion of officeholders will also work to corrode any residual legitimacy the Dems may have among Low Information Voters as well.

We need to play a multitude of strands in this version of 4GW.

Blogger Mountain Man October 28, 2016 10:01 PM  

This is very good news.
"Obstructing govt employees from working". It doesnt even pass the laugh test. Lazy slack bags hired to fill diversity quotas hardly constitute workers. The inefficient paper pushing and circle jerking hardly rises to the standard definition of work.

On another note: The USFWS was ostensibly created to protect and enhance migratory waterfowl habitat. Since we ratified the UN treaty on biodiversity they have begun focusing on "protection " of entire watersheds. Watersheds are so broadly defined that it pretty much includes any land from the tops of mountains to the ocean shores. In short- all of it. Over the last twenty years they have created a myriad of new refuges. Once established they have been embarking on massive acquisitions of private land within the "watersheds" of that given refuge.
To give an example: In northern NH the Umbagog Wildlife Refuge was created in 1993. Shortly thereafter the Silvio Conte Refuge was created 30 miles to the west in VT. Both were placed in regions and states where very little land (outside of the National Forest(s) to the south) has ever been owned by the Federal gunvernment. Both were billed as small refuges ( <2000 acres) whose sole intent was to "protect" specific lakes and waterways found within those local areas. In less than 20 years both have metastasized to over 40,000 acres. The scum within the USFWS have also unleashed their Plan B which envision acquiring an additional 700,000 acres over the next twenty years in both NH and VT. If this should happen the states would go from over 75% of the land base currently being in private hands to less than 30%. All within less than two decades.
The USFWS funds this green pogrom through off budget revenues generated via offshore oils drilling royalties paid to another alphabet soup agency (US Mineral Mining Services). All of the royalties paid to USMMS by BP, Exxon etc for offshore drilling of the US goes directly into a fund administered under a program titled the LWCF. This fund was created but the Klowns in Kongress as a way of getting the watermelon marxists (aka. environmentalists) to support passage of passing a bill allowing for offshore drilling back in the 90's . This fund is then used specifically for private land acquisition by the USFWS. So every time you fill your pump with gas you are essentially helping to pay for the bars of the green gulag being built around you. In short it was very myopic way of enriching the titans of Big Oil while denying future generations the right to ownership of private property and ultimately freedom. Another way the Corptocracy continues to absolutely ass rape the public.
The USFWS is a shitty neighbor, lies repeatedly to the public, drives up land taxes and unlike the US Forest Service, has no mandate to manage the resource(s)/lands they've hoarded. In short they contribute nothing to the local economy. They suck ! They are also a glaring in your face example to rural folks of the tyranny that we have endured in this country over the last 40 years... thanks to all power being taken by the evil bastards that reside in Mordor On The Potomac.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 29, 2016 2:33 AM  

Ron wrote:Judge wont release them and the lawyer got tazed. This is no victory. The people of Oregon must get up and take to the streets in mass protest. This has to stop.

I infer that you're a Boomer. The only people that take to the streets in mass protests in Portland are very, very angry that their warren's insistence on virtue-signaling is disrupting their booze and pot schedule.

It's all jackoff theater, and no rational person partakes. No warning will be given when TPTB place that last straw on the camel's back; indeed, there is nothing more to say now.

It has all been said, and G-d has hardened their hearts; so it will be (to them) out of the blue, our cold CWII going hot overnight, in complete silence. Anyone claiming credit or giving reasons will be a poser and a liar.

You don't have to imagine what "lone wolves" would look like if they were actually K-selected; they would look like Anders Brevik. I've done the calculation before of how many men would have to be willing to go to jail to completely eliminate every employee of FedGov, but I challenge you to do it yourself, because it's shocking.

Anonymous Discard October 29, 2016 2:37 AM  

If the Feds release all the western land they own, it will all go to the Soros' of the world. Private property, with armed guards to see that you stay out. Just like the Party members in Russia came to own all the State enterprises when the USSR collapsed. They will in turn sell it to the Chinese, who will clear cut every forest and overgraze every pasture. Careful what you wish for.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 29, 2016 3:22 AM  

Mountain Man wrote:So every time you fill your pump with gas you are essentially helping to pay for the bars of the green gulag being built around you.
In other words, every one of you who decided to buy a truck or SUV when a Prius or Leaf would do... you've been cutting your own throat.

My plug-in hybrid has never looked better.  I can even make my own "fuel" with solar panels and pay nothing to these scum.

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